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01:43.51frankdreypcmeh, ill hang around >.>
01:50.28m4dh4x0rwoo frankdreypc !
01:50.35frankdreypc:p
01:52.52m4dh4x0rthe rabbit died...
01:53.20m4dh4x0rgood news though she isnt preggo!
01:54.57frankdreypcwhat?
01:54.58frankdreypc:p
01:56.50m4dh4x0rthey used to kill rabbits to do a pregnancy test
02:02.26frankdreypc:o
02:05.35m4dh4x0rlol
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05:30.09frankdreyEgh...okay
05:30.26frankdreySo haret would be loaded like opera on wp7, right?
05:31.00frankdreyA launcher that loads an exe..
05:31.15frankdreyCrap, are there any file managers that launch exes?
05:33.30frankdreyNever mind, got that
05:35.53frankdreyUrgh...well, now I know for sure that the wp6 one doesn't work :3
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06:10.01frankdreyPage 8 / 16 on the wp7 haret thread
06:10.06frankdreyLooking good :P
06:10.14frankdreyIll probably be disappointed at the end
06:47.27frankdreySo...looks like a driver needs to be written to do the memory allocation...
06:47.45frankdreyprolly can't do it :p
06:48.02frankdreyI should go back to 6.5 and get to work on the actual android
06:48.14frankdreyLet the wp7 devs do their work with this :P
06:48.44frankdrey(I am totally pushing my far more important project down with this android thing xD)
06:49.12frankdreyMy other project is on the psp, and I can get $250 for it :D
06:49.16frankdreyNeoflash :D
06:49.23frankdreyAlright, goodbye
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09:22.53fakkeri thought he wasn't coming back until like 21st August?
09:22.53fakkerwtf
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14:09.15zeuskhi
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14:14.50zeuskexit
14:14.53zeuskexit
14:15.03zeuskfail..
14:15.11lautrivhi there. my question is not really htc-related but close to. just wondering if there is still some resource for haret for the original pxa chips, especially haretconsole.
14:15.32zeuskwhat 'resource' ?
14:16.08lautrivzeusk, a bunch of perl-sripts for the mentioned console and a matching binary.
14:16.40zeuskyou can get code and compile youself, as for perl scripts google is your only help.
14:17.52lautrivzeusk, compilations doesn't make me headaches but it looks like all sites formerly hosted haretconsole are not longer availabel.
14:17.56lautriv*le
14:18.54zeuskI have haret snapshot from 22 june 2011
14:19.01zeuskshould i upload ?
14:21.41lautrivzeusk, my plan is to squeeze some information out of a PDA which is similar to the well supported ipaq hx4700, it's a Motorola hc700 ( industrial thingie with barcode/gsm and some funnie additions ) do you see some light at that tunnel with haret ?
14:23.04zeuskdepends on what information you want, haret can only help you for the functions it already has and the devices it support
14:25.22lautrivzeusk, sure but it's a decade ago when i used it last, does haret hook the console on a pre-initiated (from Win-CE/mobile) connection ?
14:25.38zeuskyep, telnet
14:26.04lautrivusing a wlan what i can init from within winblows ?
14:27.52zeuski am not sure it works over wlan, only used it through usb rndis
14:30.40lautrivzeusk, this hc700 has BT/wlan/usb/serial/irda but a propietary connector and no specs/details. i might give it a shot. is there somewhere a good documentation ( not offline ) for command's details ?
14:39.06lautrivneed to kexec system for some changes, back in a few minutes
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15:07.36lautrivzeusk, found an appropirate haret.exe in my own backups, mind to dcc me the console-scripts ?
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16:22.32frankdreyWe have your IP *stare*
16:23.13arrrghhhhow rude frankdrey
16:23.15arrrghhh:P
16:23.26frankdreyXD
16:23.31arrrghhhrob_w, if you use xchat you should put the password in the 'server password' field, not the 'nickserv password' field.
16:23.46rob_wuh do you see it ?
16:23.47arrrghhhit will auth you before you join any channels
16:23.49frankdreyProbably applies to many clients
16:24.01rob_wah nice tipp thx
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16:24.13arrrghhhrob_w, http://pastebin.com/seQzDzQL
16:24.16arrrghhhlol
16:24.17frankdrey:o
16:24.18frankdrey:p
16:24.18arrrghhhi wasn't going to do that
16:24.24arrrghhhbastages
16:24.28frankdreyIts 3 lines xD
16:24.32arrrghhhBASTAGES
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16:25.30frankdreySame
16:25.43frankdreyMaybe put it in both?
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16:26.13frankdreyXD
16:26.16arrrghhhrob_w, what client
16:26.19arrrghhh?
16:26.29rob_wstupid xchat
16:26.39rob_whangon .. i might forgot my pass ;-)
16:26.50frankdrey:P
16:26.56arrrghhhlol
16:27.06arrrghhhyou see what i mean tho about the 'server pass' vs 'nickserv pass'?
16:27.14arrrghhhworks everytime, assuming you remember your password lol
16:27.33frankdreydoesn't care if others see his IP
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16:27.50frankdreySometimes you can even play Minecraft with me on my IP
16:27.55frankdrey:D
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16:30.07rob_wthere you go ! thx again .. i was wondering about that all the time
16:30.56arrrghhhrob_w, np.  drove me batty a while back.
16:31.03arrrghhhso i figured out why it was happening :P
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16:32.41frankdreywrite's down rob_w's IP so that later, when rob forgets about this moment, frankdrey can geoip him
16:33.05rob_wpfff
16:33.17frankdreyXD
16:33.23rob_wanyway , how is htc-linux doing overall ?
16:33.35frankdreyPretty bad
16:33.35frankdrey:D
16:33.42rob_wbeen years since i had one etc
16:34.07zeusklautriv, you can try htc-linux.org they have some good documentation on haret
16:34.12rob_wwonders what else beside android people run on such devices ?
16:34.23frankdreySHR
16:34.28frankdreyjust found that :D
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16:34.40zeuski test my own kernel, but it's crap, no gui :(
16:34.40frankdreyis gonna dual boot it on his G1
16:35.24frankdreywants a haret for wp7
16:35.36frankdreyrob_w, what device do you have
16:35.50rob_whad one .. but sold it long ago
16:35.59frankdreyAww
16:36.04frankdreyWhich one?
16:36.19rob_whad a bueangel back then .. was kickass smartphone back then
16:36.34frankdrey:o
16:36.34rob_wblueangel
16:36.41frankdreyhas a toshiba tg01
16:37.04rob_wand have some gta flying around somehwere .. but that hardware was crap even in rev02
16:37.41frankdreyAh
16:37.56frankdreyThe tg01 has decent hardware
16:38.01frankdreyBetter than my G1 for sure :P
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16:38.11frankdreyMy goals for it are:
16:38.24frankdrey1. Haret on wp7, if not, I'm downgrading to 6.5
16:38.29frankdrey2. Froyo
16:38.38frankdrey3. JB once I get a 64 bit pc
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16:51.45frankdreyScrew it, ill just go back to 6.5. Wp7 sucks anyway
16:56.01jianClol
16:57.46frankdrey6.5 sucks more, but at least I could run android there
17:00.42arrrghhhnand ftw
17:05.14frankdreyNo nand for me
17:06.09jianCbad blocks?
17:15.08frankdreyTg01
17:15.12frankdreyNot flashable
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17:15.37arrrghhhit runs WP7?
17:17.54frankdreyYes
17:18.11frankdreyBecause there's a hacked together wp7 bootloader
17:18.18frankdreyNo bootloader for android, though...
17:19.23arrrghhhweird
17:20.00frankdreyHmmm I have a prototype of the phone, though...
17:20.11frankdreySo I wonder if there's anything special hardware-wise
17:20.22frankdreySoftware-wise would be gone by now :P, with all my flashing
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17:57.11frankdrey:D
17:57.23frankdreyis on gentoo :D irssi ftw!
17:57.29frankdreyanyway, gotta install it
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17:57.37arrrghhhyou comcast usin bastard
17:57.39arrrghhhaw he left
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19:06.34zeuskhello mortals
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19:44.15frankdreypcdumbass wp7 encrypted my sd card >_>
19:45.52arrrghhhdumbass using wp7
19:46.12frankdreypcim not anymore
19:46.15frankdreypci went back to 6.5
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20:11.09lautrivdumpass using WP at all ;)
20:13.00frankdreypcbuy me an android phone :p
20:13.10frankdreypcthe reason im back at 6.5 is to use haret :p
20:14.58lautrivok, while we are on it, have a Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition on a PDA which should get wlan up to have a console for haret. i can see my AP's and configured it to WPA-PSK but it says only connecting and never get's connected. i'm aware that OS is a piece of <censored> but maybe there is a special bug ?
20:15.17zeusklautriv, you should look at htc-linux.org for some haret documentation, nothing much but helpful
20:16.11lautrivzeusk, got that line, a bit delayed but i saw you. right now i'm on the road to see a connection right before.
20:18.19frankdreypcrips his G1 sd card out and watches everything crash because it was on the swap partition :3
20:18.54zeuskfrank, you should learn the art of not spamming a channel
20:18.59zeuski rate that skill 10/10
20:20.54frankdreypczeusk, calm down
20:21.47frankdreypcill just leave then :p
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20:21.50zeusk...
20:22.22lautrivwhow, that was a bit very sensitive.
20:27.50Cotullalol yeah
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20:51.14lautrivmaybe an older wiblows mobile can't handle a SD-Card with newer alignments ? (starting on a 1M boundary with block 2048)
20:51.36Cotullawhat is that card
20:52.37lautrivcard is a 1G µSD with adaptor to mini-SD prepared on linux, first part VFAT, second ext 2
20:53.40zeuskwhat happens if NULL pointer is used in LDREX or STREX ?
20:54.51zeusklautriv, hmm dunno but my XDA Atom could use 4gb microSD using adapter (it was windows mobile 6.1)
20:55.08Cotullaexception
20:55.13Cotulladata abort
20:55.19zeuskokay, thanks
20:55.33Cotullastrange that u ever ask abotu that
20:56.07zeuskbecause ARM ARM only mention about what happens in thumb mode
20:56.12lautrivzeusk, 1G is not even SDHC but i wonder if that old M$ must have a bad aligned early block.
20:56.42Cotullablock must be 512
20:56.56Cotullaand most card are not support anything except 512 anyway
20:57.19lautrivi know the size, was on the number.... using 2048 as first block.
20:58.27CotullaMBR must be at the first sector
20:59.16lautrivMBR is MBR but M$ is M$, can they handle a first primary partition NOT starting right after tables ?
20:59.48lautrivthe old, usual way is block 63
21:00.09CotullaI think yes
21:00.12zeuskI think all is read from MBR, so it should work fine if linux wrote correct block number in MBR
21:00.16Cotullau too prejudiced about MS
21:01.27lautrivCotulla, once i administrated large networks on winblows, got a view behind the curtain and decided to bot longer support such evil behaviour. it's not just because a flavour.
21:02.04Cotullafor example?
21:02.06zeuski like how you type "windows" as "winblows" 10/10
21:03.03lautrivCotulla, there is somewhere an old page about them, let me see if i can find it for you ...
21:03.16zeuskmetro in windows 8 RTM is still not useable on a pc, big screen without touch == FAIL.
21:03.20Cotullaand what u got instead?
21:04.18lautrivCotulla, it's old but the behaviour did not change today --> http://www.kmfms.com/whatsbad.html
21:06.06Cotullait just one point of view isn't it?
21:06.28Cotullathey tells like it's only MS approach
21:06.42Cotullaalmost all products become large and large with each versions
21:07.05Cotullaas well often people start to use new technology which takes more resources (example - Android with Java)
21:07.41Cotullaor programs which are done fully on Python which is script language without opitmization
21:07.54lautrivCotulla, it's not about bloat, even a recent linux is much more bloat than it need to be.
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21:08.10Cotullathey arguments about 486 . . . dunno. moden linux eats almost same amount resources like Windows . . .
21:08.17Cotulla*modern
21:08.21zeusklautriv, I'm sure you'll find more bloat in default install of ubuntu than default install of windows 7/8 :)
21:08.53Cotullaand however it's important to be able allocate resources, not to have them always free. so free ram can be used for agressive caching. . .
21:08.58lautrivi'm not talking about bloat, you need to read more of this article.
21:09.06Cotullayeah I am reading
21:09.33Cotullahowever it's very old
21:09.37Cotulla>>Backward Incompatibility<<< lol
21:09.52Cotullait's still better than linux one in most terms
21:10.23zeuski disagree cotulla
21:10.41zeuskwindows vista, 7 and now 8
21:10.46lautrivi switched from gnome3 to XFCE because i dislike that on any OS but what i mean is more the criminal aspect of this reading. and while i was an insider i got even more information.
21:11.05lautrivCotulla, better ? where ?
21:11.16zeusklautriv, as they say, you only spot faults when you look from near
21:11.21CotullaI can play (and played) old W95 games
21:11.29Cotullaon W7 X86 u can run Win16 apps
21:11.44CotullaAPI compatible levels also exist
21:12.05lautrivheh, gaming is not even a gactor, get a WII then.
21:12.13lautriv*factor
21:12.18zeuskmicrosoft flight simulator 95 crashes on my 7
21:12.22Cotullarather famous "SuperPi test" comes from 1996
21:13.07Cotullabut I still don't need rewrite driver for new linux which has 0.0.3 more in version number :)
21:13.33Cotullait's important to understand that it's impossible to make everything compatible: old apps often also has bugs and issues
21:14.11CotullaI am talking about some reasonable limits
21:14.40lautrivlinux is far away from beeing perfect but if you do a serious compare it's still superior to any other OS. ( as of now )
21:14.58Cotullaas well they describe things which all companies are doing
21:15.03CotullaApple Google and etc
21:15.07Cotullait's not only MS thing
21:15.21zeuskhttp://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/
21:15.31CotullaI am sure that things happens also outside of IT
21:15.43lautrivboth agreed
21:25.10zeusklinux kernel itself isn't clean
21:25.28zeuski tried disabling printk to save some cpu cyles
21:26.07zeuskit would fail because many headers don't care about CONFIG_PRINTK and just define the functions causing clash in function declaration
21:28.00lautrivtoo much people screwing on it, not all are really interrested in such details and think "it must just run"
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21:34.51Cotullayeah
21:34.58Cotullaand a lot of show off around it
21:36.51marc1706what do you think of this io scheduler? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.msm/2911
21:37.16lautrivzeusk, feel free to insert a few thousand #ifdef ;)
21:37.54zeusklautriv, but why put broken features in a stable kernel branch ?
21:38.49zeuskI've fixed it already but seems they fix such things only in the latest version while only a few people help keep older kernels alive
21:39.07Cotullalol
21:39.07CotullaHost controller: msm-sdcc
21:39.43zeuskand for porting device code from kernel x.x to y.y is pain, they never have any documentation about implementing BSP and stuff required for a target bring up
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21:39.59zeuskcotulla, what is that supposed to mean ?
21:40.11lautrivzeusk, saw that a lot, also some inventions are not really better but the flow of the masses ..........
21:40.18marc1706zeusk: that's in the link I posted ;)
21:40.54zeuskcotulla, what else is expected when from : ... codeaurora.org
21:41.03CotullaI see
21:41.21Cotullaso it won't change anything totally
21:41.27Cotullaa bit maybe
21:42.07marc1706it's supposed to behave better when reading, i.e. when opening an app I'm guessing
21:42.24marc1706but the worst case write latency kind of freaks me out O.o
21:42.25Cotullamaybe
21:42.38Cotullabut this guy didn't attach test results
21:42.49zeuskit's there o.o
21:42.58Cotullait's bullshit
21:42.59zeuskbut only data throughoutput
21:43.04Cotullajust look at it
21:43.26zeuskalso seems he assume wrong, only 2 or 3 threads at a time.... lol LK has more threads than that when booting
21:43.31marc1706http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.msm/2911/focus=2911
21:43.46marc1706look at Jaehoon Chung's post
21:43.50marc1706btw, that's not a guy :D
21:44.06Cotullalol Tatyana Brokhman
21:44.14Cotullagirl detected :D
21:44.46zeuskdid she forget to type her name ?
21:44.53zeusktatyana at first and then tanya....
21:46.04marc1706xD
21:47.10Cotullatroll?
21:47.22marc1706no idea
21:47.22CotullaSTATUS_INVALID_TROLL_MODE
21:48.52marc1706anyways I'll wait what happens to this as even tatyana/tanya calls it a RFC
21:49.06marc1706some guy asked me if I could put it into my kernel ...
21:49.25zeuskmarc, i think it's crap and hope this doesn't get merged into mainline.
21:50.06marc1706I don't like it much either but we'll see, maybe there is some magic code in there :D
21:51.48zeuskwrites "It isn't bugfree and in development" posts patch to mailing list.... http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.msm/2911/focus=2911
21:52.53marc1706zeusk: links don't work that way but you're right
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