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| 22:01.46 | CptAJ | what do you guys think of the old G1/htc dream? |
| 22:01.56 | CptAJ | they're super cheap now. thinking of maybe getting one |
| 22:03.13 | ahigerd | My understanding is that it's fairly comparable to the Rhodium |
| 22:03.29 | ahigerd | Except the screen is capacitive |
| 22:04.59 | ahigerd | And I'll say I'm reasonably happy with my Rhodium (though you'll want to get 2.x installed on it, since officially the Dream stopped at 1.6) but due to the processor being as slow as it is the supply of apps is limited |
| 22:05.08 | zeusk | too old now, no point getting a 72xx based phone now |
| 22:05.35 | Willd | Don't expect a fruitful release cycle :) |
| 22:05.44 | zeusk | unless you're getting it just for the sake of kernel hacking |
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| 22:05.58 | zeusk | oh hai alex |
| 22:07.20 | ahigerd | zeusk: Hey, if someone said "here's a free G1, have fun with it" I wouldn't say no :P |
| 22:10.24 | zeusk | but he is "buying" it, can better get a cheap leo or qsd8x50 device, maybe even 7x30 are cheap now (desire HD), inspire |
| 22:11.15 | ahigerd | Fair enough |
| 22:11.31 | jonpry | some prices are competitive with free in small quantity |
| 22:11.42 | ahigerd | Also true! |
| 22:13.46 | zeusk | jonpry, you have a vanilla to android kernel patch ? |
| 22:14.22 | jonpry | in a sense |
| 22:14.58 | jonpry | you can diff our 3.3 kernel from its initial commit |
| 22:15.28 | jonpry | but all that really gets you is our 3.3 kernel |
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| 22:22.00 | zeusk | so you started from vanilla 3.3 or did you take one of the android-msm-3.3 or something from caf ? |
| 22:22.16 | jonpry | vanilla |
| 22:23.00 | zeusk | thanks |
| 22:24.01 | jonpry | np |
| 22:24.32 | jonpry | we get our kernels out way faster than caf or google. those people are like dinosaurs |
| 22:24.49 | jonpry | or sloths |
| 22:25.41 | CptAJ | Its kinda hard to compete with it at 99 bucks though |
| 22:28.01 | Willd | CptAJ: G1 for $99? |
| 22:28.02 | zeusk | 99 of what currency ? |
| 22:28.05 | Willd | That's a lot? |
| 22:28.10 | CptAJ | dollars |
| 22:28.14 | Willd | I can get a HD2 for that |
| 22:28.18 | zeusk | yes |
| 22:28.25 | zeusk | and hd2 is much more powerful than g1 |
| 22:28.26 | CptAJ | yeah, they're up around 99-110$ on ebay |
| 22:29.15 | zeusk | except for mpu is a bitch on 8x50 and you will have to deal with some wince stuff inside linux |
| 22:29.50 | CptAJ | I just want it for a regular usage phone. For hacking I have the imagio which will entertain for quite some time |
| 22:29.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: what's up my friend |
| 22:30.23 | CptAJ | how mature is the android port for leo? |
| 22:30.54 | zeusk | quite a lot, except for only a few kernel devs are left (quite a few rom chefs though) |
| 22:31.09 | zeusk | but as long as dft is working with leo, you shall not worry ;) |
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| 22:31.38 | CptAJ | damn, they got nand and everything |
| 22:31.48 | zeusk | hai alex, your exams are over ? |
| 22:32.00 | zeusk | we have lk, magldr and probably uboot coming soon |
| 22:32.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: yes, since two weeks already |
| 22:33.33 | CptAJ | not below 250$ on ebay though. G1 wins XD |
| 22:33.41 | CptAJ | I could get a nexus for 222 |
| 22:34.32 | zeusk | i think bravo is better than passion |
| 22:35.06 | Alex[sp3dev] | G1 is.. a waste of money |
| 22:37.50 | CptAJ | I'm tempted by some refurbs on ebay... but I must not give in XD |
| 22:37.55 | CptAJ | thats just asking for trouble |
| 22:41.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | G1 is ancient. anything below armv7 and without opengl es 2.0 basically means you won't be able to use all games and UI will be incredibly slow. you can probably get a used acer liquid or galaxy s cheap |
| 22:44.02 | zeusk | +1 for galaxy S or leo |
| 22:44.25 | ahigerd | When you said "super cheap" I thought you meant like $25. :P At $99 it's probably not worth it |
| 22:44.54 | zeusk | and it was like 150$ at release anyway.. |
| 22:45.08 | ahigerd | With a contract maybe |
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| 22:46.12 | CptAJ | oh yeah, I'm talking exclusively about unlocked, new phones |
| 22:46.48 | CptAJ | used and refurbs scare the crap out of me because I have to import. returning it would cost like half the sale price -_- |
| 22:47.07 | ahigerd | Where exactly are you from? |
| 22:47.10 | CptAJ | venezuela |
| 22:47.15 | ahigerd | Oh yeah, I guess I knew that |
| 22:47.27 | zeusk | buy from a trusted buyer ? and refurbs are done by manufacturer, so don't think it will be any bad. |
| 22:47.52 | CptAJ | most on ebay are "seller refurbished" as they call it |
| 22:48.14 | CptAJ | I guess some of them with a zillion positive ratings MAY be trusted but... I dont know. its scary |
| 22:48.51 | zeusk | -__- (don't touch them), worst thing you want is some idiot trying to replace lcd panel cutting the connector ribbon and still calling it as good as brand new on ebay.. |
| 22:49.14 | CptAJ | my thoughts exactly |
| 22:49.20 | zeusk | or maybe a bricked phone because he thought flashing gta4.exe in spl area would be cool |
| 22:49.40 | CptAJ | I saw one the other day that actively advertised a "Pet Free Working Environment" for his refurb work |
| 22:49.45 | CptAJ | made me chuckle |
| 23:04.24 | CptAJ | why is desire better than nexus? |
| 23:04.54 | CptAJ | has 128mb less ram according to pdadb |
| 23:05.19 | ahigerd | Price maybe? |
| 23:05.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | it's the same device, only nexus has trackball |
| 23:06.13 | CptAJ | oh wait, there are several desires |
| 23:06.33 | CptAJ | can't find the first one on ebay though |
| 23:07.33 | zeusk | leo, passion and bravo use the same board (maybe a bit different in pm ic and other small things) but radio, soc, ram config else is all same |
| 23:08.13 | zeusk | however, if you don't want to mess with wm6.5 and wp7.5, you should get bravo or passion |
| 23:17.23 | CptAJ | how about the droid x? bigger screen than the galaxy s and pretty much the same price |
| 23:19.01 | zeusk | don't buy motorola, will cry for your life. |
| 23:19.55 | ahigerd | What's wrong with Moto? |
| 23:21.12 | zeusk | their encrypted kernel images and bootloader security |
| 23:21.42 | zeusk | and the difficulty involved in obtaining root without voiding warranty forever |
| 23:22.51 | CptAJ | whaaaaat? really? but... but why? |
| 23:22.58 | CptAJ | didn't they get bought by google? |
| 23:23.02 | ahigerd | I don't consider any of that COMPLETELY deal-breaking |
| 23:23.18 | CptAJ | you would THINK they, of ALL PEOPLE, would be open as hell |
| 23:23.33 | zeusk | droid x was made when it wasn't in hands of google |
| 23:24.00 | zeusk | and iirc, google only got hold of their patents branch, not the manufacturing one. |
| 23:24.56 | zeusk | and if you want open device, go for an omap based nexus which is galaxy nexus for now.. |
| 23:26.20 | zeusk | ti omap is comparatively more open than samsung, qualcomm platforms and nexus devices are supported by google. |
| 23:28.12 | ahigerd | But the Galaxy Nexus is Samsung... |
| 23:28.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | ti i more open? wtf am i reading |
| 23:28.47 | CptAJ | too rich for my blood anyway |
| 23:29.08 | CptAJ | 230$ is pushing it, really |
| 23:30.45 | zeusk | why alex ? |
| 23:32.07 | zeusk | ahigerd, samsung just manufactures it for google, read google's statement on why they didn't choose htc for the nexus device |
| 23:32.56 | zeusk | some guy from android at google posted on g+ that qualcomm and htc are not interested in making an open platform (cutting their profits) so they decided to go for ti omap and samsung |
| 23:42.04 | jonpry | i've gotten a bad factory referb before |
| 23:42.25 | jonpry | i suspect it is pretty common |
| 23:44.05 | zeusk | bye guys |
| 23:47.53 | CptAJ | why are so many slide phones cheaper than non-slide ones when they're pretty much the same spec-wise? |
| 23:47.58 | CptAJ | makes no sense |
| 23:48.29 | CptAJ | <- doesn't like the idea of moving parts |
| 23:49.23 | ahigerd | prefers slides >.> |
| 23:49.36 | ahigerd | (Actually I prefer flips but flip smartphones aren't very common) |
| 23:49.53 | ahigerd | (AFAIK Blackberry is the only one with them) |
| 23:52.43 | CptAJ | but they break! |
| 23:52.54 | Alex[sp3dev] | orly |
| 23:53.24 | ahigerd | In my entire life I've broken exactly two phones due to moving parts |
| 23:53.38 | CptAJ | when you have to commit foreign exchange and customs fraud to get your phones, durability matters XD |
| 23:54.14 | ahigerd | One phone wasn't a flip or a slide and died because the keypad was unprotected |
| 23:54.22 | ahigerd | And I like having a hardware keypad or keyboard |
| 23:54.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | if you're an idiot you can break anything. i even cracked the frame of my laptop :P |
| 23:57.03 | Willd | Alex[sp3dev]: Come on, you're russian. How hard is it? ;) |
| 23:58.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | Willd: you just have to drop it onto the concrete floor from the table. No, i was not even drunk, just put my bag onto the table at the wardrobe and turned away to put on the coat |
| 23:58.17 | Willd | Alex[sp3dev]: I hate it when that happens :( |