| 00:13.44 | *** join/#htc-linux defendthecommons (~defendthe@50-48-20-161.drr05.mdtw.ny.frontiernet.net) |
| 00:18.28 | *** join/#htc-linux bukington (~bukington@fac34-2-82-228-151-145.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 00:53.43 | *** join/#htc-linux Bry8Star (~Bry8Star@gateway/tor-sasl/bry8star) |
| 01:20.06 | *** join/#htc-linux raymonddull (~raymonddu@c-98-209-145-76.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 01:44.39 | *** join/#htc-linux bukington (~bukington@fac34-2-82-228-151-145.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 01:53.13 | phh | anyone interested in/has a motorola droid 3 ? |
| 01:53.42 | phh | it's technically good and quite cheap (compared to galaxy nexus, at least here), but locked, argh |
| 01:54.58 | arrrghhh | moto |
| 01:55.04 | rpierce99 | imho i wouldn't buy moto, they have a horrible history of keeping their phone on up to date versions of android |
| 01:55.05 | arrrghhh | looks at room he's in |
| 01:55.16 | arrrghhh | have you lost it phh ? :P |
| 01:55.40 | phh | arrrghhh: tss :p |
| 01:55.56 | phh | rpierce99: well, it wouldn't be locked i wouldn't care :p and well google bought them now |
| 01:56.09 | rpierce99 | i guess that's true |
| 01:56.41 | arrrghhh | apt kill phh before he ruins us all |
| 01:56.41 | apt | ACTION shoots a charged neutrino gun at phh before he ruins us all |
| 01:56.46 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 01:57.03 | arrrghhh | i am curious to see what comes of that partnership |
| 01:57.07 | phh | me too |
| 01:57.10 | arrrghhh | i guess the whole unlocked bootloader thing is a big step. |
| 01:57.23 | phh | hum, there have been some news about it ? |
| 01:57.26 | arrrghhh | how are they at providing kernel source? never really checked. |
| 01:58.16 | phh | hum afaik they deliver kernel sources |
| 01:58.21 | phh | can't tell for sure about droid 3 though |
| 01:59.03 | phh | but droid 3 would be a good replacement to rhod :p |
| 01:59.14 | phh | which is getting really old |
| 01:59.37 | rpierce99 | i still have over a year on my rhod contract :( |
| 01:59.50 | phh | contrwhat ? :D |
| 02:00.04 | rpierce99 | technically it's not MY contract |
| 02:00.08 | rpierce99 | company p hone |
| 02:00.09 | phh | i haven't ever taken a phone contract yet, and i hope i won't ever |
| 02:02.00 | arrrghhh | phh, same. |
| 02:02.03 | phh | arrrghhh: so you're interested in droid 3 or ? :p |
| 02:02.06 | arrrghhh | nah |
| 02:02.13 | arrrghhh | kb is only "ok" |
| 02:02.20 | arrrghhh | and i don't want to switch to vz... no thanks. |
| 02:02.55 | phh | it's a world phone |
| 02:03.01 | arrrghhh | so |
| 02:03.12 | arrrghhh | i'm on Sprint... I have no intention of leaving. |
| 02:03.57 | phh | you wouldn't be able to use it on sprint ? |
| 02:04.47 | phh | the devices are provider locked ? |
| 02:04.51 | arrrghhh | CDMA suxxors |
| 02:05.02 | arrrghhh | can't just swap the SIM, y'know |
| 02:05.08 | arrrghhh | china has swappable UIM's |
| 02:05.11 | arrrghhh | but USA... does not. |
| 02:05.32 | phh | uim is the unique ID of the mobile ? |
| 02:05.57 | arrrghhh | it's like a SIM for CDMA |
| 02:06.10 | phh | ah |
| 02:06.30 | arrrghhh | but for USA, it's like the SD card in DIAM's |
| 02:06.36 | arrrghhh | not user-accessible |
| 02:06.43 | arrrghhh | in fact it's probably part of the board. |
| 02:06.47 | arrrghhh | i don't really know tho... |
| 02:07.12 | phh | i thought the phones only had a unique ID and that you could connect on whatever network you want if this id is known by the network |
| 02:07.17 | arrrghhh | well |
| 02:07.28 | arrrghhh | Sprint only activates ESN's from their phone network |
| 02:07.38 | phh | ok |
| 02:07.41 | arrrghhh | they will NOT activate an ESN that didn't come from one of their phones... |
| 02:07.54 | arrrghhh | Cricket and other shitty providers don't care, so long as you can sort out how to get the phone working. |
| 02:10.22 | phh | :( |
| 02:10.55 | arrrghhh | yea, it blows |
| 02:11.15 | phh | and you've seen any phone that could replace rhod ? |
| 02:11.23 | arrrghhh | not really |
| 02:11.35 | arrrghhh | its supposed successor sucks. |
| 02:14.15 | arrrghhh | i think it's called the pro 7 in your parts |
| 02:15.31 | arrrghhh | phh, a RHOD is your daily driver? |
| 02:15.50 | phh | driver ? |
| 02:15.57 | phh | that's still my phone if that's the question |
| 02:16.03 | arrrghhh | yes |
| 02:16.06 | arrrghhh | use it as your main phone |
| 02:16.10 | arrrghhh | in winmo? |
| 02:16.25 | phh | in android |
| 02:16.34 | arrrghhh | really!?? |
| 02:16.40 | *** join/#htc-linux raymonddull (~raymonddu@c-98-209-145-76.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:16.42 | arrrghhh | why haven't you been helping lately :P |
| 02:17.22 | phh | i have got so many other things to do :p |
| 02:17.31 | arrrghhh | yea |
| 02:17.33 | phh | and well only problems i have is slowlyness, i can't see what i could do on that ... |
| 02:17.35 | arrrghhh | what build you run? :P |
| 02:17.47 | arrrghhh | well there's lots of little problems |
| 02:17.51 | phh | frx |
| 02:17.53 | arrrghhh | which are slowly getting fixed... |
| 02:18.13 | arrrghhh | emwe's been making awesome strides on gb. |
| 02:24.40 | *** join/#htc-linux raymonddull (~raymonddu@c-98-209-145-76.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:26.25 | arrrghhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.12 | phh | rhod300 i think |
| 02:27.28 | arrrghhh | nice. ACL just got one of those as a donor... for a month, lol |
| 02:40.14 | *** join/#htc-linux bukington (~bukington@fac34-2-82-228-151-145.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 03:10.22 | *** join/#htc-linux bukington (~bukington@fac34-2-82-228-151-145.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 03:32.26 | *** join/#htc-linux AstainHellbring (~AstainHel@unaffiliated/astainhellbring) |
| 03:33.41 | *** join/#htc-linux bartman (~bart@2607:f2c0:a000:175:2e0:81ff:fe47:3d01) |
| 04:08.20 | *** join/#htc-linux Rob2223 (~Miranda@p5DE4B251.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:19.11 | *** join/#htc-linux bukington (~bukington@fac34-2-82-228-151-145.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 04:58.12 | *** join/#htc-linux d3tul3 (~detule@pool-96-234-141-27.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) |
| 05:04.17 | *** join/#htc-linux bzo (~chatzilla@c-174-62-79-238.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:05.36 | d3tul3 | WisTilt2 can you verify the kernel side of the leds works for you -> echo "0" (or "1") to /sys/class/leds/caps/brightness and/or sys/class/leds/func/brightness |
| 05:06.27 | d3tul3 | both work fine over here, and the logic is in place...make sure you are in a text input field -> the logic listener engages only when the cursor is blinking like in text message input field, or the browser search bar |
| 05:18.31 | *** join/#htc-linux raymonddull (~raymonddu@c-98-209-145-76.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 06:02.04 | *** join/#htc-linux jonpry (~jon@unaffiliated/jonpry) |
| 06:02.22 | *** join/#htc-linux BHSPitMonkey (~stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) |
| 06:50.21 | *** join/#htc-linux kiozen (~kiozen@ppp-93-104-78-59.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 07:25.29 | *** join/#htc-linux TheXev (~user@127.sub-174-252-196.myvzw.com) |
| 07:54.30 | *** join/#htc-linux Andreyxxl[HD2EU] (~Andreyxxl@94.52.236.39) |
| 07:57.55 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:d02b:345e:fad9:236c) |
| 08:00.23 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:d02b:345e:fad9:236c) |
| 08:20.42 | *** join/#htc-linux rpierce99 (~rpierce99@96-42-102-103.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) |
| 08:44.45 | *** join/#htc-linux programmer8922 (~Evan@c-174-56-89-117.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 08:48.11 | *** join/#htc-linux paulk (~paulk@lib33-1-82-233-88-171.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:48.08 | *** join/#htc-linux NYL (~NYL@109.96.49.123) |
| 10:08.45 | *** join/#htc-linux |Jeroen| (~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be) |
| 10:10.55 | *** join/#htc-linux GlemSom (~glemsom@0x5da34bca.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1105.sdnqu1.customer.tele.dk) |
| 10:23.14 | *** join/#htc-linux rob_w (~bob@host-188-174-140-213.customer.m-online.net) |
| 10:24.32 | *** join/#htc-linux NYL_ (~NYL@109.96.49.123) |
| 10:33.59 | *** join/#htc-linux new-lakeman (~lakeman@ppp121-45-168-9.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 10:46.12 | *** join/#htc-linux turbolapin (~quassel@78-199-125.adsl.cyta.gr) |
| 10:56.15 | *** join/#htc-linux dobrin (~dobrin@85.91.150.26) |
| 10:59.45 | *** join/#htc-linux marc1706 (~marc@phpbb/modifications/marc1706) |
| 11:05.56 | *** join/#htc-linux rzk (~rzk@95-25-50-147.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 11:30.39 | *** join/#htc-linux Bry8Star_ (~Bry8Star@gateway/tor-sasl/bry8star) |
| 11:30.54 | *** part/#htc-linux fpu (~nonperson@178.73.49.1) |
| 11:30.57 | *** join/#htc-linux fpu (~nonperson@178.73.49.1) |
| 11:32.02 | *** join/#htc-linux Cotulla (~w3489sdf@nat100-255-205-109.tvoe.tv) |
| 12:10.35 | *** join/#htc-linux bike (~bike@ti0122a340-dhcp1244.bb.online.no) |
| 12:30.50 | *** join/#htc-linux d3tul3 (~detule@pool-96-234-141-27.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:32.40 | fpu | Cotulla you're wince guy, but maybe you could help me somehow fix usb host in evo kernel |
| 12:32.56 | fpu | that's last piece of the puzzle |
| 12:33.35 | fpu | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/20110915.html.gz |
| 12:52.12 | Cotulla | ö00å, |
| 12:52.15 | Cotulla | w0\0t? |
| 13:05.00 | *** join/#htc-linux balans2 (~barry@53564629.cm-6-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 13:11.05 | *** join/#htc-linux LordDeath (~LordDeath@cable-81-173-166-124.netcologne.de) |
| 13:19.31 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:d02b:345e:fad9:236c) |
| 13:39.04 | *** join/#htc-linux helicopter88 (~helicopte@host100-114-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:46.01 | *** join/#htc-linux GNUtoo-N900 (~root@host246-111-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:46.56 | *** join/#htc-linux kiozen (~kiozen@ppp-93-104-78-59.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 13:50.04 | *** join/#htc-linux ubuntu (7441b85d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.116.65.184.93) |
| 13:57.39 | *** join/#htc-linux marc1706 (~marc@phpbb/modifications/marc1706) |
| 14:01.10 | *** join/#htc-linux GNUtoo (~gnutoo@host246-111-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:10.15 | *** join/#htc-linux balans (~server@82-170-217-205.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 14:34.51 | *** join/#htc-linux rpierce99 (~rpierce99@96-42-102-103.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) |
| 15:12.24 | *** join/#htc-linux GNUtoo (~gnutoo@host246-111-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 15:13.09 | *** join/#htc-linux |Jeroen| (~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:15.33 | *** join/#htc-linux helicopter88_1 (~helicopte@host100-114-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 15:29.45 | *** join/#htc-linux balans2 (~barry@53564629.cm-6-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 15:34.41 | *** join/#htc-linux fpu (~nonperson@cmy158.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 15:35.41 | fpu | hello |
| 15:36.13 | fpu | GNUtoo: audio I somehow fixed, usbhost is pending |
| 15:36.18 | fpu | and that's the hard part it seems |
| 15:41.12 | *** join/#htc-linux balans2 (~barry@53564629.cm-6-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 15:41.26 | Cotulla | yeah or gods at sky will fix it instead and declare it as big help for people |
| 15:42.34 | phh | Cotulla: don't you want to hack motorola droid 3 ? :D |
| 15:43.40 | Cotulla | hi phh |
| 15:43.48 | Cotulla | what's there? and what's up with ti? |
| 15:43.50 | Cotulla | *it |
| 15:44.27 | phh | well it's quite cheap (compared to galaxy nexus), hardware keyboard, omap4, not bad screen resolution |
| 15:44.31 | phh | but locked bootloader :( |
| 15:44.46 | Cotulla | but how it's protected |
| 15:44.46 | Cotulla | ? |
| 15:45.05 | phh | protection integrated in omap4, i don't know much of it |
| 15:45.42 | fpu | you won't break it |
| 15:46.30 | phh | well you don't actually need to break omap's protection |
| 15:46.44 | phh | like getting kexec to work would be enough :p |
| 15:46.44 | Cotulla | it's possible to make it unbreakable |
| 15:47.00 | Cotulla | if use good rules |
| 15:47.07 | Cotulla | like encoding with hardware key |
| 15:47.14 | fpu | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=921013 |
| 15:47.14 | fpu | rsa, yep |
| 15:47.48 | phh | milestone has been cracked |
| 15:47.53 | phh | without knowing the rsa key |
| 15:47.54 | phh | afaik |
| 15:48.02 | fpu | hmm |
| 15:48.52 | fpu | I thought kexec was workaround but bootloader remained intact |
| 15:48.59 | fpu | but I never owned motorola, can be wrong |
| 15:49.09 | phh | fpu: kexec is like haret for linux |
| 15:49.32 | fpu | yes |
| 15:49.53 | phh | and haret works whatever the bootloader protection is |
| 15:49.55 | fpu | still it isn't perfect solution |
| 15:50.41 | phh | that's enough for me |
| 15:51.30 | Cotulla | but nand is write protected? |
| 15:51.33 | Cotulla | or emmc? |
| 15:51.46 | phh | i'd guess so yes |
| 15:52.05 | Cotulla | and who setup ranges? |
| 15:52.14 | phh | bootloader i'd guess |
| 15:55.27 | GNUtoo | fpu, ok |
| 15:55.37 | Cotulla | hi GNUtoo |
| 15:56.01 | GNUtoo | hi |
| 15:56.35 | GNUtoo | phh, for milestone: at what level did it get cracked? at bootrom level? |
| 15:56.51 | phh | i don't know |
| 15:57.11 | phh | i can't find much |
| 15:57.15 | phh | it seems they haven't actually cracked it |
| 15:57.24 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 15:57.25 | phh | well just root and write to /system |
| 15:57.28 | Cotulla | heh |
| 15:57.42 | GNUtoo | because last time I looked the bootloader was still signed |
| 15:57.44 | GNUtoo | let me look |
| 15:57.54 | Cotulla | Motorolla starts war against community :( |
| 15:58.10 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:a5c1:44b6:858b:9878) |
| 15:58.16 | phh | well we can hope google will open them |
| 15:58.52 | Cotulla | maybe |
| 15:58.54 | GNUtoo | http://and-developers.com/ |
| 15:59.11 | Cotulla | but I will stay with HTC I think for now |
| 16:00.06 | phh | "It consist from: * small kernel module, for creating device for booting/controlling boot * small userspace program, which give for module boot image and flags * universal bootloader, which can uses many places for booting" |
| 16:00.10 | phh | and we'll call it kexec ! |
| 16:00.18 | phh | there is no cool htc phone :( |
| 16:00.32 | GNUtoo | what about nexus S? |
| 16:00.43 | Cotulla | it just question what kind of destination u want |
| 16:00.43 | arrrghhh | htc ^^ |
| 16:00.54 | phh | i'd like a keyboard |
| 16:00.58 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 16:01.02 | arrrghhh | NS is sammy |
| 16:01.06 | Cotulla | if just hacking some shitty bootloaders |
| 16:01.11 | Cotulla | it can be good for u |
| 16:01.11 | phh | GNUtoo: 1.it's not htc, 2.it's already old |
| 16:01.16 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 16:01.28 | fpu | I see no good qwerties too |
| 16:01.29 | fpu | Droids are locked, what else is there? |
| 16:01.37 | Cotulla | I am going much forward now, like developing paravirtulization one OS under another ;) |
| 16:01.39 | phh | Cotulla: yeah well considering omap4 has fully available docs |
| 16:01.40 | phh | indeed it's possible |
| 16:01.41 | phh | but hu |
| 16:01.42 | phh | m |
| 16:02.04 | Cotulla | omap4 full? I heard only basic, isn't it? |
| 16:02.23 | phh | well afaik it's only missing 3D (since it's imagination's |
| 16:02.23 | phh | ) |
| 16:02.41 | Cotulla | I just means |
| 16:02.44 | Cotulla | nowdays |
| 16:03.02 | Cotulla | new hardware appear like mushrooms after rain . . . |
| 16:03.09 | phh | wat ? |
| 16:03.17 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 16:03.42 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 16:03.57 | Cotulla | as well native android phones are boring actually |
| 16:04.02 | Cotulla | there nothing hack almost |
| 16:04.49 | phh | yeah well that's why i'm playing with an uC right now :p |
| 16:05.02 | Cotulla | uC? what is it? |
| 16:05.49 | *** join/#htc-linux helicopter88 (~helicopte@host107-118-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:06.16 | phh | microcontroller |
| 16:06.22 | Cotulla | hehe |
| 16:06.23 | phh | welll it's not so micro. |
| 16:06.26 | Cotulla | which? |
| 16:06.33 | phh | STM32F4 |
| 16:06.38 | phh | the board is STM32F4-Discovery |
| 16:06.52 | phh | i really can't see how this can still be called microcontroller but well :D |
| 16:07.08 | Cotulla | is it ARMv7-M? |
| 16:07.35 | GNUtoo | btw just for curiosity: does haret work on windows phone 7 |
| 16:07.38 | phh | Cotulla: yup |
| 16:07.43 | Cotulla | GNUtoo, no |
| 16:07.49 | Cotulla | phh, and only THUMB2? |
| 16:08.06 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 16:08.20 | phh | Cotulla: you mean no original thumb ? |
| 16:08.34 | Cotulla | no ARM mode |
| 16:08.56 | phh | uh ? |
| 16:08.59 | phh | i haven't tried arm mode |
| 16:09.06 | phh | but there are some ARM without arm mode ?!? |
| 16:09.22 | phh | main.c:1:0: error: target CPU does not support ARM mode |
| 16:09.22 | phh | ok |
| 16:09.57 | Cotulla | I heard some new uC doens't support ARM, only THUMB2 |
| 16:10.02 | GNUtoo | Cotulla, they are boring with android, but what if you port GNU/Linux mainline to one of them |
| 16:10.10 | phh | well gcc -mcpu=cortex-m4 -marm complain |
| 16:10.15 | phh | so indeed it seems like it doesn't support arm |
| 16:10.54 | Cotulla | GNUtoo, yes, but u know the truth. without big team of pro, big amount of testers it's rather hard task usually |
| 16:11.10 | phh | that makes it even more interesting ! |
| 16:11.22 | GNUtoo | you complain because android is too easy....and then complain because GNU/Linux porting is too hard....hmmm |
| 16:11.51 | *** join/#htc-linux fpu (~nonperson@cmy158.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:12.48 | Cotulla | it's wrong to make terms |
| 16:12.51 | Cotulla | "easy" "hard" |
| 16:12.55 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 16:13.02 | GNUtoo | I wonder if there is something in between |
| 16:13.06 | Cotulla | hmhm |
| 16:13.10 | Cotulla | I means something else |
| 16:13.13 | Cotulla | fun and etc |
| 16:13.19 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 16:13.32 | Cotulla | or implementation of new ideas |
| 16:13.55 | GNUtoo | else there is the baseband level |
| 16:14.15 | GNUtoo | maybe porting the htc dream baseband to osmocombb |
| 16:14.26 | GNUtoo | *porting osmocombb to the htc dream baseband |
| 16:14.41 | Cotulla | what is osmocombb? |
| 16:14.58 | GNUtoo | floss software for basebands CPUs |
| 16:15.04 | GNUtoo | it replace your baseband code |
| 16:15.22 | Cotulla | but it's mission impossible . . . |
| 16:15.44 | GNUtoo | no |
| 16:15.58 | phh | GNUtoo: on qualcomm, baseband does a lot more than just baseband |
| 16:16.30 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 16:16.48 | GNUtoo | like audio, GPS etc... |
| 16:25.03 | Cotulla | phh, and that are u doing with it? checks state of fridge door and turns on siren if it open at the middle of night by cat? |
| 16:25.08 | Cotulla | :D |
| 16:25.49 | phh | Cotulla: atm ? blinking leds :p |
| 16:26.03 | phh | i want to make an oscilloscope with it |
| 16:26.07 | phh | but i cna't even make usb working -_-' |
| 16:26.57 | Cotulla | why? |
| 16:27.22 | phh | why not ? |
| 16:27.26 | phh | ah for usb ? |
| 16:27.30 | Cotulla | yes |
| 16:27.33 | Cotulla | u need some usb stack |
| 16:27.41 | Cotulla | are u using RTOS there? |
| 16:27.42 | phh | there is one provided by ST |
| 16:27.43 | phh | na |
| 16:28.00 | phh | when i activate interrupts, it ends up at $pc=base of ram |
| 16:28.02 | phh | and stays there |
| 16:28.29 | Cotulla | hm |
| 16:28.32 | Cotulla | so plain execution |
| 16:28.37 | Cotulla | with WFI? |
| 16:29.07 | phh | hum i don't remember if i let wfi |
| 16:29.14 | phh | na without wfi |
| 16:29.30 | phh | but that was just a test, let's readd it |
| 16:30.29 | phh | ah and all memory read made by gdb gives same result (0xf44f0301) which is totally wrong |
| 16:31.08 | Cotulla | strange |
| 16:31.31 | phh | if i reset cpu i can read back expected values |
| 16:32.26 | Cotulla | will u bring some RTOS up there? |
| 16:32.38 | phh | can't tell |
| 16:34.46 | phh | err i've just been thinking. how the hell does it know where the stack is |
| 16:35.01 | Cotulla | start up code should init it, no? |
| 16:35.41 | phh | start up code is main() :D |
| 16:35.53 | Cotulla | u sure? open in IDA |
| 16:36.03 | Cotulla | there can be GCC start up |
| 16:36.13 | phh | well in gdb i do j main |
| 16:36.16 | phh | so yes i'm sure |
| 16:36.20 | Cotulla | it's because C debugger |
| 16:36.29 | Cotulla | or it setup break point at main() |
| 16:36.40 | phh | ok, if you prefer, when i do set $pc=main |
| 16:36.41 | phh | it does the same |
| 16:36.53 | Cotulla | but u can look SP |
| 16:36.56 | Cotulla | in GDB |
| 16:37.05 | phh | yeah well $sp is in .text segment :D |
| 16:37.10 | GNUtoo | is porting the nexus S kernel to mainline doable? |
| 16:38.32 | Cotulla | so it's wrong? |
| 16:38.39 | Cotulla | or maybe it's at the end of text segment? |
| 16:39.24 | phh | Cotulla: it's right in the middle of text segment |
| 16:39.31 | Cotulla | lol |
| 16:41.23 | *** join/#htc-linux Andreyxxl[HD2EU] (~Andreyxxl@94.52.236.39) |
| 16:48.02 | GNUtoo | my kernel blocks there: Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel. any ideas? |
| 16:48.47 | Cotulla | which device? |
| 16:49.16 | GNUtoo | nexus S(herring) with mainline + some modifications to make it "boot" |
| 16:49.46 | GNUtoo | mainline version is linux-next from some days ago which contain some stuff for serial debugging |
| 16:50.05 | GNUtoo | like printk with the serial that is already setup by the bootloader but it doesn't seem to work |
| 16:50.10 | GNUtoo | the big problem is the absence of md |
| 16:50.22 | GNUtoo | md is memory display in uboot |
| 16:50.42 | GNUtoo | last time I ported a board to mainline I used md to get the log buffer messages |
| 16:56.27 | GNUtoo | maybe I should transform printk in the lower level boot-loader-initialized prints? |
| 16:56.41 | GNUtoo | because obviously the early init is working |
| 16:57.08 | GNUtoo | if it prints uncompressing linux... done booting the kernel it means that the first init part succedded |
| 16:58.19 | Cotulla | did u try with Image |
| 16:58.20 | Cotulla | ? |
| 16:58.22 | Cotulla | not zImage |
| 16:58.32 | Cotulla | maybe wrong addresses of kernel |
| 16:58.35 | GNUtoo | I'll try |
| 16:59.06 | GNUtoo | ah? |
| 16:59.14 | GNUtoo | but the early init seem to work |
| 16:59.27 | Cotulla | but uncompressing means that it decode zImage |
| 16:59.28 | Cotulla | to memory |
| 16:59.30 | Cotulla | ? |
| 16:59.32 | GNUtoo | no |
| 16:59.44 | GNUtoo | it means that early init of the cpu etc succedded |
| 16:59.51 | GNUtoo | and then that it uncompressed |
| 16:59.57 | GNUtoo | it's a self-extracting thing |
| 17:00.31 | phh | hum thumb2 is funny |
| 17:00.32 | Cotulla | zImage has own uncompressor code |
| 17:00.37 | GNUtoo | indeed |
| 17:00.38 | Cotulla | which isn't related with kernel |
| 17:00.39 | phh | many instructions are actually 32bits |
| 17:00.41 | GNUtoo | that's what I meant |
| 17:00.43 | GNUtoo | ah? |
| 17:00.53 | Cotulla | just compressed version of Image |
| 17:00.54 | Cotulla | zImage |
| 17:01.08 | GNUtoo | yes but before the compressed image there is an aseembly part |
| 17:01.21 | Cotulla | yes, but it doesn't do a lot of |
| 17:01.26 | GNUtoo | ah ok |
| 17:01.29 | Cotulla | only turn off mmu for uncompression time |
| 17:01.31 | Cotulla | *on |
| 17:01.39 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 17:02.10 | Cotulla | look at D:\cygwin\usr\sapphire\arch\arm\boot\compressed\ |
| 17:02.21 | GNUtoo | I know a bit how it works |
| 17:02.24 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 17:02.40 | GNUtoo | with piggy backing etc... |
| 17:04.10 | GNUtoo | with Image it didn't change |
| 17:04.27 | Cotulla | but string disappear? |
| 17:04.30 | GNUtoo | no |
| 17:04.52 | Cotulla | " uncompressing linux"? |
| 17:04.55 | GNUtoo | indeed it's strange |
| 17:05.05 | Cotulla | it must |
| 17:05.07 | GNUtoo | Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel. |
| 17:05.13 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 17:06.16 | GNUtoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.19 | GNUtoo | aha |
| 17:06.26 | GNUtoo | it's because it didn't wrote anything |
| 17:06.30 | Cotulla | :D |
| 17:06.33 | GNUtoo | that's because the kernel is 7M big |
| 17:07.02 | *** join/#htc-linux AstainHellbring (~AstainHel@unaffiliated/astainhellbring) |
| 17:21.12 | Cotulla | phh maybe u need some start up code |
| 17:21.23 | phh | i'm afraid so :( |
| 17:21.35 | Cotulla | where u got current project? |
| 17:21.41 | phh | i'll stop hardsetting addresses everywhere and start using proper linker |
| 17:22.04 | phh | https://github.com/texane/stlink/tree/master/example/blink |
| 17:22.08 | Cotulla | hm it's without MMU |
| 17:22.10 | Cotulla | right? |
| 17:22.28 | phh | yes |
| 17:22.40 | Cotulla | lol github got animation |
| 17:22.49 | Cotulla | maybe we will see in 3D it soon |
| 17:24.38 | Cotulla | lool delay is nice one |
| 17:26.06 | Cotulla | hm how it found that main() must be located at the start of image |
| 17:26.53 | phh | again, i'm doing j main in gdb |
| 17:26.55 | phh | so it doesn't know |
| 17:31.00 | *** join/#htc-linux Alex[sp3dev] (~alexander@178.176.32.95) |
| 17:32.51 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:a5c1:44b6:858b:9878) |
| 17:45.28 | GNUtoo | Cotulla, yes the uncompressing disappear with Image |
| 17:46.30 | Cotulla | so it's common problem |
| 17:46.33 | Cotulla | check base address |
| 17:46.58 | Cotulla | so phh, write some start up code |
| 17:47.03 | Cotulla | put it at the start of image |
| 17:47.06 | Cotulla | and init there SO |
| 17:47.07 | Cotulla | SP |
| 17:47.17 | phh | ah i tried to |
| 17:47.24 | phh | but it seems like it doesn't run that code |
| 17:47.27 | *** join/#htc-linux kiozen (~kiozen@ppp-93-104-78-59.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 17:47.27 | phh | or something overwrites sp later |
| 17:47.35 | phh | anyway i'm using proper ldscript now |
| 17:47.39 | phh | +asm init code |
| 17:48.27 | GNUtoo | can I change the base address? more precisely s5pv210/s5pc110 has a different base address than the nexus S |
| 17:48.36 | GNUtoo | and it's memory is discontinuous |
| 17:48.57 | GNUtoo | so I really wonder if I can change 0x3.... to 0x2.... |
| 17:49.11 | GNUtoo | because mkbootimg has a --base option |
| 17:49.21 | GNUtoo | if I change in both kernel and mkbootimg? |
| 17:50.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | GNUtoo: i'd suppose that the bootloader may ingore the value from the boot image and always load kernel to some fixed address so your kernel should act like the stock one |
| 17:51.07 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 17:51.24 | GNUtoo | but it doesn't seem to ignore it |
| 17:53.54 | GNUtoo | let me try it |
| 17:54.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | GNUtoo: yesterday i've fixed the sleep of death issues with sdio stack ported from 3.1 to 2.6.35. so now, wl1251 works, psm works and i can disable power by just ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 17:54.37 | GNUtoo | nice!!! but I failed at porting dream to 37 |
| 17:54.44 | GNUtoo | gpiolib issues |
| 17:56.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | what's with gpiolib? i mean, i've added gpiolib support for msm7200a in my tree. you can use it if you change the function to pcom call. even if you do not, it should actually work for arm11 owned gpios |
| 17:56.25 | GNUtoo | oh nice |
| 17:56.31 | GNUtoo | I'll give a look then |
| 17:56.54 | GNUtoo | basically I had input issues |
| 17:57.05 | GNUtoo | it somehow worked but lacked the click or something like that |
| 17:57.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | but forget dream and move on. no one's using dream nowadays. if you manage to make nexus s or n900 or any other popular up-to-date device work with GNU/Linux, that'd be better. |
| 17:57.20 | GNUtoo | indeed |
| 17:57.45 | GNUtoo | the thing is that there is already someone working on the modem of the nexus S |
| 17:57.53 | GNUtoo | so.... |
| 17:58.02 | GNUtoo | all he is waiting is me to fix the kernel |
| 17:58.07 | GNUtoo | but I fail to boot mainline... |
| 17:58.20 | Alex[sp3dev] | btw, i've googled and looks like samsung galaxy s2 and optimus 3d both use XMM6260 modem which is supported by ofono. what modem does nexus use? |
| 17:59.27 | GNUtoo | it's a intel x-gold with a custom samsung protocol on top |
| 17:59.29 | Alex[sp3dev] | GNUtoo: i'm just saying because i plan to get myself an s2 or nexus prime if i have money after buying a new laptop |
| 18:00.15 | GNUtoo | XMM6260 seem AT |
| 18:00.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, xmm is x-gold. i thought it was infenion |
| 18:00.29 | GNUtoo | I don't remember well |
| 18:00.41 | GNUtoo | I just know that samsung put their protocol on top |
| 18:00.55 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok, intel bought infineon |
| 18:05.53 | Cotulla | hey Alex |
| 18:05.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | hey Cotulla |
| 18:13.38 | Cotulla | how is it? |
| 18:14.01 | Cotulla | GNUtoo, there Makefile.boot |
| 18:14.05 | Cotulla | which specify base address |
| 18:17.31 | GNUtoo | yes I've changed all that |
| 18:18.09 | GNUtoo | http://www.pastie.org/private/htrys4gln147v9sdjjih1q |
| 18:19.59 | Cotulla | and? not working |
| 18:20.00 | Cotulla | ? |
| 18:21.42 | GNUtoo | no |
| 18:21.49 | GNUtoo | and mkbootimg: |
| 18:22.16 | GNUtoo | --base 0x30000000 --cmdline "console=ttySAC2,115200" --ramdiskaddr 0x31000000 --pagesize 0x1000 |
| 18:22.33 | Cotulla | PHY_OFFSET also fixed? |
| 18:22.44 | GNUtoo | let me look |
| 18:22.52 | GNUtoo | I think that changed to PLAT_PHY_OFFSET |
| 18:22.56 | *** join/#htc-linux rpierce99 (~rpierce99@96-42-102-103.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) |
| 18:24.47 | GNUtoo | I did that in the patch |
| 18:24.49 | GNUtoo | -#define PLAT_PHYS_OFFSET UL(0x20000000) |
| 18:24.49 | GNUtoo | +#define PLAT_PHYS_OFFSET UL(0x30000000) |
| 18:32.35 | fpu | I am confused, ehci-msm7201.c are identical in linuxtogo and evo |
| 18:33.36 | Cotulla | why not |
| 18:33.51 | Cotulla | it's not impossible |
| 18:34.02 | fpu | linuxtogo has usbhost, evo doesn't |
| 18:34.21 | Cotulla | but ehci is standard |
| 18:34.26 | fpu | I'm trying to find some sense in all of this but it's like walking in a maze |
| 18:34.29 | Cotulla | question is about support stuffs |
| 18:35.39 | fpu | I don't understand exactly what you mean. I thought if usb host driver is the same in two kernels, and both compile it, it should work in both |
| 18:36.57 | Cotulla | I means it's complex stuff |
| 18:36.59 | Cotulla | whole host |
| 18:37.04 | Cotulla | ehci is base driver |
| 18:37.14 | Cotulla | but different devices can have differences |
| 18:37.29 | Cotulla | like power |
| 18:37.32 | Cotulla | clocks |
| 18:37.52 | fpu | device is the same |
| 18:37.57 | Cotulla | no . . . |
| 18:38.19 | Cotulla | usb host and usb client |
| 18:38.25 | Cotulla | they are used same hardware |
| 18:40.10 | Cotulla | so it's important to deactivate other driver |
| 18:41.37 | fpu | do you mean usb gadget functionality? |
| 18:41.43 | Cotulla | yes |
| 18:42.07 | Cotulla | it's why it a problem |
| 18:42.07 | GNUtoo | PHYS_OFFSET seem only for non-mmu builds now |
| 18:42.45 | fpu | what you're saying is if I disable usb gadget in menuconfig it should work? |
| 18:42.48 | fpu | it's too simple to be true |
| 18:42.53 | Cotulla | no |
| 18:42.59 | Cotulla | there also power for usb phy |
| 18:43.17 | Cotulla | and etc |
| 18:43.35 | fpu | man, it's complicated. I'm lost. |
| 18:43.49 | Cotulla | yes |
| 18:43.57 | Cotulla | otherwise it was fixed long time ago |
| 18:44.02 | Cotulla | look for usb gpios |
| 18:44.42 | GNUtoo | http://sven.killig.de/android/N1/2.2/usb_host/ |
| 18:44.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | when i experimented with usb host on msm7200a, the ulpi setup was the same as for client |
| 18:45.01 | fpu | GNUtoo: that seems to be the same driver |
| 18:45.20 | GNUtoo | it contains infos on how to replicate what he did |
| 18:45.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | if it works in one kernel, just compare board files in mach-msm and kernel config. simple, right? |
| 18:48.22 | *** join/#htc-linux marmotta (~skodde@unaffiliated/skodde) |
| 18:49.51 | fpu | GNUtoo: all useful I found there was tgz with patched kernel files |
| 18:50.02 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 18:50.03 | fpu | hmm, ehci-hcd.c is different in these two |
| 18:50.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | you only need 3 lines in ehci-hcd for msm |
| 18:50.54 | Alex[sp3dev] | http://gitorious.org/~ast/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/alex-linux-xperia/commit/60d3f2bf857f7ef7d0c5339b2e94233604b60052 |
| 18:50.59 | fpu | sorry, they're actually the same. Just slightly differently formatted one line, hence different md5sum |
| 18:51.25 | Cotulla | Alex problem not in that |
| 18:51.31 | Cotulla | evo kernel there other usb stack |
| 18:51.38 | Alex[sp3dev] | not sure if trolling, but comparing sources by md5sum is awesome |
| 18:51.53 | Cotulla | why not |
| 18:52.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | why not troll? ok |
| 18:52.31 | Cotulla | also there gpiogs |
| 18:52.38 | Cotulla | so it more complex |
| 18:52.57 | Alex[sp3dev] | which gpios? ulpi gpios are set up in the same way as for client |
| 18:53.33 | Cotulla | QSD8650 have separate ULPI pinouts |
| 18:53.39 | Cotulla | not GPIO |
| 18:54.18 | fpu | http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=commit;h=aa178e5125be247a71d1bedc1d1620df79533da0 |
| 18:54.34 | fpu | Alex[sp3dev]: ehci-hcd.c in evo has these lines |
| 18:55.08 | fpu | that's commit that moved back linuxtogo from evo usb stack to old one (working) |
| 18:55.12 | Cotulla | usb also used to detect power charge |
| 18:55.17 | *** join/#htc-linux bartman (~bart@2607:f2c0:a000:175:2e0:81ff:fe47:3d01) |
| 18:55.17 | Cotulla | none/usb/ac |
| 18:55.33 | fpu | can that be what I'm looking for? |
| 18:55.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: on kovsky i also use usb to differentiate ac vs usb |
| 18:56.23 | Cotulla | yes but this all important |
| 18:56.34 | GNUtoo | no other idea for the boot problem? |
| 18:56.44 | Cotulla | it booted before? |
| 18:56.50 | Cotulla | this kernel, |
| 18:56.50 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:6ced:856:8f37:389d) |
| 18:56.53 | Cotulla | ? |
| 18:56.53 | GNUtoo | no |
| 18:57.08 | GNUtoo | but there is git history for the android kernel |
| 18:57.18 | GNUtoo | I can try to make the 35 boot |
| 18:57.19 | Cotulla | uart works? |
| 18:57.28 | GNUtoo | on 35 with HEAD yes |
| 18:57.35 | GNUtoo | it crashes at some point but it works |
| 18:58.03 | GNUtoo | there is also a strange thing tough |
| 18:58.09 | GNUtoo | ttySAC2 is the kernel cmdline |
| 18:58.17 | GNUtoo | it makes print boot messages and kernel printks |
| 18:58.32 | GNUtoo | but after that it's /dev/foo_serialN |
| 19:01.17 | *** join/#htc-linux GNUtoo-N900 (~root@host246-111-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:04.24 | *** join/#htc-linux LordDeath (~LordDeath@cable-81-173-166-124.netcologne.de) |
| 19:10.00 | fpu | ok, I copied files mentioned in this commit from linuxtogo to evo |
| 19:10.12 | fpu | and made sure kernel config is identical re. usb |
| 19:10.16 | fpu | let's see what happens |
| 19:11.07 | fpu | Cotulla you were right |
| 19:11.09 | fpu | I had usb gadget enabled |
| 19:12.24 | *** join/#htc-linux mastermerlin (~Adium@p4FEE4DA5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:14.34 | fpu | http://pastie.org/2853456 |
| 19:14.50 | fpu | that's one of the files I copied from linuxtogo tree |
| 19:17.36 | *** join/#htc-linux mastermerlin (~Adium@p4FEE4DA5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:17.48 | Cotulla | I am? |
| 19:18.06 | Cotulla | I am exist |
| 19:18.09 | Cotulla | because I can thiknk |
| 19:18.17 | fpu | :-) |
| 19:19.24 | Cotulla | u doubt? |
| 19:21.14 | Cotulla | GNUtoo, u should try via UART debug code-flow |
| 19:21.23 | Cotulla | but it's not very easy task |
| 19:22.17 | Cotulla | fpu, u need disable it |
| 19:22.23 | Cotulla | and there also some gpio for usb |
| 19:22.25 | Cotulla | afauk |
| 19:22.26 | Cotulla | fgail |
| 19:22.29 | Cotulla | afaik |
| 19:22.31 | fpu | Cotulla: I disabled |
| 19:22.40 | fpu | but it doesn't matter, it doesn't compile with error I pasted |
| 19:22.45 | Cotulla | why |
| 19:22.55 | Cotulla | ok fix it |
| 19:23.04 | fpu | I'd like to know how :-) |
| 19:23.48 | fpu | http://pastie.org/2853499 |
| 19:23.55 | fpu | this seems to be the part causing problems, in devices.c |
| 19:24.13 | Cotulla | hm |
| 19:25.07 | Cotulla | so |
| 19:25.11 | Cotulla | do that there |
| 19:25.17 | Cotulla | go and search where GPIO_CFG defined |
| 19:25.22 | Cotulla | and look why it not defined |
| 19:27.53 | fpu | looking |
| 19:30.03 | *** join/#htc-linux swc|666 (~gecko@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 19:34.41 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:f584:332f:1551:6008) |
| 19:36.15 | *** join/#htc-linux d3tul3 (~detule@pool-96-234-141-27.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) |
| 19:36.23 | fpu | found it |
| 19:36.35 | Cotulla | 35-27 = 8 |
| 19:36.39 | Cotulla | 8*60 = 480 |
| 19:36.55 | Cotulla | sizeof("GPIO_CFG") = 9 |
| 19:36.56 | Cotulla | so |
| 19:36.56 | fpu | and so much work for every compilation error? and still no guarantee it will work? life is depressing :-) |
| 19:36.58 | Cotulla | 9 / 480 |
| 19:37.27 | Cotulla | my congratulations! your search speed is 0,01875 bytes per second! :P |
| 19:37.54 | Cotulla | fpu, yes |
| 19:37.55 | Cotulla | it's hard work |
| 19:38.05 | Cotulla | but after 101 iterations, u will got level up |
| 19:38.08 | Cotulla | and will do it faster |
| 19:38.21 | fpu | Of all #include<> files, it was last |
| 19:38.23 | fpu | my luck |
| 19:38.46 | Cotulla | but u can use search function |
| 19:39.09 | fpu | like, cat? |
| 19:39.20 | fpu | cat | grep blabla |
| 19:39.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | like grep -r |
| 19:40.07 | Cotulla | I am using FAR |
| 19:40.09 | Cotulla | and I am happy |
| 19:40.16 | Cotulla | even I learned how to use reg-exp there |
| 19:40.28 | Cotulla | f u c k i n g p o w e r f u l |
| 19:40.37 | fpu | Alex: oh yes, that is better. thank you. |
| 19:41.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | 'Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems.' |
| 19:41.33 | fpu | http://pastie.org/2853572 |
| 19:41.50 | fpu | now I have no idea how to fix this first error |
| 19:42.20 | fpu | I'm going, will keep trying tomorrow. Thanks for help guys, g'night |
| 19:42.20 | Cotulla | Alex, yeah |
| 19:42.25 | Cotulla | but honestly I used it only once |
| 19:42.34 | Cotulla | to find "aPages[*]" |
| 19:42.36 | Cotulla | inside all files |
| 19:42.41 | Cotulla | :D |
| 19:43.18 | Alex[sp3dev] | but regex are cool. their syntax is too cryptic, i keep forgetting how to use lookahead and backtracking |
| 19:43.43 | Cotulla | fpu, u sure ur config right? |
| 19:51.16 | GNUtoo-N900 | ok |
| 19:51.36 | GNUtoo-N900 | whats uart denug code flow? |
| 19:51.43 | GNUtoo-N900 | a kernel option? |
| 19:52.12 | Cotulla | NO |
| 19:52.14 | Cotulla | no |
| 19:52.24 | Cotulla | Alex, how is cfg1? |
| 19:52.34 | GNUtoo-N900 | so printk like thing? |
| 19:53.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: i'm not working on it today. learning opencv and reading book on image processing. yesterday i tried different cfg1 (initial, wince, linux), all failed. i'll get to it on wednesday |
| 19:54.39 | Cotulla | nice |
| 19:54.48 | Cotulla | w00t b00k? |
| 19:55.24 | Cotulla | GNUtoo |
| 19:55.26 | Cotulla | yes |
| 19:55.45 | Cotulla | I am usually debug start of linux kernel by adding debug marks inside code |
| 19:55.54 | Cotulla | until I find reason . . . |
| 19:56.09 | GNUtoo-N900 | ok |
| 19:57.02 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:d597:3cde:cfcf:3419) |
| 20:01.50 | Cotulla | lol Alex u loved package manager of UBuntu? |
| 20:07.03 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: which of them? dpkg or apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:07.24 | Cotulla | so linux |
| 20:07.29 | Cotulla | just wanted to install GIMP |
| 20:07.36 | Cotulla | it said that no packages available 404 |
| 20:07.41 | Cotulla | in GUI and in CUI |
| 20:07.45 | Cotulla | then I go to some site |
| 20:07.54 | Cotulla | and found there instructions how to install it |
| 20:07.55 | Cotulla | lol |
| 20:08.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | obviously you needed to do apt-get update before |
| 20:08.28 | Cotulla | why it can't do automatically? |
| 20:08.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | because it would be slow to do it every time |
| 20:09.06 | Cotulla | just hash -> different hash -> warn user |
| 20:09.59 | Cotulla | the second bad thing |
| 20:10.06 | Cotulla | that u can remove all packages |
| 20:10.09 | Cotulla | in GUI |
| 20:10.12 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:11.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | why is it bad? you must be able to do whatever. software must not be designed to restrict user from using their computer.. anyway, even though there are glitches in apt and rpm, there's no alternative |
| 20:12.04 | Cotulla | because I removed gnome when I first time try to install something inside :) |
| 20:12.38 | Cotulla | so default items which comes with OS must be locked or only updatable |
| 20:13.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: O RLY? what if i do not want gnome? or want to replace coreutils with my own package? |
| 20:13.53 | Cotulla | then u can delete it from command line ;) |
| 20:14.03 | Cotulla | or setup some |
| 20:14.05 | Cotulla | god mode |
| 20:14.06 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:7969:6dc9:46da:1768) |
| 20:15.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | this is wrong. ideally in gui, though, some protection should be by default but only if you can turn it off. but well. i don't care. aptitude is enough for me and i don't actually want to use GUI except for browser and blender |
| 20:15.33 | Cotulla | lol |
| 20:15.40 | Cotulla | u too brutal |
| 20:15.44 | Alex[sp3dev] | actually here is the problem |
| 20:15.58 | Cotulla | lol GIMP show crap instead of PSD |
| 20:15.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | those who don't like stuff in linux cannot fix it themselves. those who can fix don't care |
| 20:16.17 | Cotulla | yes |
| 20:17.06 | Alex[sp3dev] | at least it is better than in proprietary software where you cannot really do anything unless you're buying like some thousand copies for your enterprise |
| 20:19.41 | Cotulla | but u can hack proprietary software |
| 20:19.50 | Cotulla | while free/open source not |
| 20:20.18 | Alex[sp3dev] | that sucks. why should i bother digging my way through disassembly while i could just take sources and fix? |
| 20:21.37 | Cotulla | u think so |
| 20:21.39 | Cotulla | but it's wrong |
| 20:21.41 | Cotulla | and u know that |
| 20:21.54 | Cotulla | how long time u search ur error in wlan driver |
| 20:21.55 | Cotulla | ;) |
| 20:22.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | if it was closed-source and not working at the same time, it would take even more time |
| 20:26.47 | *** join/#htc-linux bike (~bike@ti0122a340-dhcp1244.bb.online.no) |
| 20:34.33 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:79ed:7713:baf0:669d) |
| 20:44.46 | *** join/#htc-linux mitsutak_ (~mitsutaka@p2004-ipbf2206marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) |
| 20:48.50 | *** join/#htc-linux rajkosto (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:c422:8ef0:963b:2c8f) |
| 21:15.24 | *** join/#htc-linux rpierce99 (~rpierce99@96-42-102-103.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) |
| 21:15.38 | *** join/#htc-linux fpu_ (~nonperson@dsc177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 21:15.44 | *** join/#htc-linux marc1706 (~Marc@phpbb/modifications/marc1706) |
| 21:45.09 | *** part/#htc-linux Cotulla (~w3489sdf@nat100-255-205-109.tvoe.tv) |
| 21:48.12 | *** part/#htc-linux Alex[sp3dev] (~alexander@178.176.32.95) |
| 21:58.49 | GNUtoo | ah everyone is gone.... |
| 21:59.06 | GNUtoo | too bad because all what I missed was a kenrel parameter for early printk |
| 21:59.07 | GNUtoo | http://www.pastie.org/private/og42qxiinpw3iphghnfxyg |
| 22:10.35 | *** join/#htc-linux T-Junk (~TechnoJun@chaosarmy.org) |
| 22:11.26 | *** part/#htc-linux T-Junk (~TechnoJun@chaosarmy.org) |
| 22:13.27 | *** join/#htc-linux T-Junk (~TechnoJun@chaosarmy.org) |
| 22:15.49 | *** join/#htc-linux jason` (j@nitrology.com) |
| 22:32.21 | *** join/#htc-linux Bry8Star (~Bry8Star@gateway/tor-sasl/bry8star) |
| 22:42.48 | *** join/#htc-linux Rajko (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:c422:8ef0:963b:2c8f) |
| 22:57.47 | *** join/#htc-linux Rajko (~rajkosto@2001:470:d76b:da7a:c422:8ef0:963b:2c8f) |
| 23:09.40 | *** join/#htc-linux TheXev (~user@127.sub-174-252-196.myvzw.com) |
| 23:38.41 | *** join/#htc-linux marc1706 (~marc@phpbb/modifications/marc1706) |