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| 17:08.20 | hopkinskong | ~Seen apt |
| 17:08.24 | apt | apt is currently on #debian.gr (8d 1h 38m 3s) #debian (8d 1h 38m 3s) ##icf (8d 1h 38m 3s) #elive (8d 1h 38m 3s) #htc-linux (8d 1h 38m 3s) #kde (8d 1h 38m 3s) #wowroster (8d 1h 38m 3s) #openmoko (8d 1h 38m 3s) #slug (8d 1h 38m 3s) #lugwv (8d 1h 38m 3s) #openmoko-cdevel (8d 1h 38m 3s) #debianppc (8d 1h 38m 3s) #debian-france (8d 1h 38m 3s) ... |
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| 17:13.29 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: hi |
| 17:21.59 | Cotulla | hi |
| 17:22.01 | Cotulla | how are u? |
| 17:22.25 | Alex[sp3dev] | fine |
| 17:22.58 | Cotulla | do u good in english? |
| 17:23.00 | Cotulla | ;) |
| 17:23.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | at least now x1 dies half times in suspend if wifi was used, but even if the module is unloaded. i guess it will not be hard to debug (previously it was dying in all cases) |
| 17:23.52 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: sort of good, i hope. at least i always won in the 'english olympiads' at school in my town |
| 17:24.05 | Cotulla | ohh |
| 17:24.06 | Cotulla | ]okay |
| 17:24.12 | Cotulla | Òhråå swiss witñh-bitñhås, whiñh wishåd tî bå switñhåd swiss witñh-bitñhås, wàtñh thråå swiss Swàtñh wàtñh switñhås. Whiñh swiss witñh-bitñh, whiñh wishås tî bå à switñhåd swiss witñh-bitñh, wishås tî wàtñh whiñh swiss Swàtñh switñh? |
| 17:24.20 | Cotulla | can u read this fast? :D |
| 17:24.41 | Alex[sp3dev] | this ain't really english. those letters with accents |
| 17:25.00 | Cotulla | it's english! |
| 17:25.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | it's not modern english. or you're using bad encoding and i see crap |
| 17:26.05 | Cotulla | all words from vocabulary |
| 17:26.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: is this the way it's meant to be? http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6313/201110152125471442x953s.png |
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| 17:38.30 | Cotulla | NO |
| 17:38.31 | Cotulla | OMG |
| 17:39.31 | Cotulla | Òhråå swiss witñh-bitñhås, whiñh wishåd tî bå switñhåd swiss witñh-bitñhås, wàtñh thråå swiss Swàtñh wàtñh switñhås. Whiñh swiss witñh-bitñh, whiñh wishås tî bå à switñhåd swiss witñh-bitñh, wishås tî wàtñh whiñh swiss Swàtñh switñh? |
| 17:39.33 | Cotulla | better? :D |
| 17:40.20 | Alex[sp3dev] | same thing. just post an image. it guess it is some kind of a tongue twister. |
| 17:40.52 | Cotulla | OMG |
| 17:41.01 | Cotulla | there some chars are really not english! |
| 17:41.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | that's strange but just make a screenshot or give the link to the source |
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| 17:42.03 | Cotulla | Three swiss witch-bitches, which wished to be switched swiss witch-bitches, watch three swiss Swatch watch switches. Which swiss witch-bitch, which wishes to be a switched swiss witch-bitch, wishes to watch which swiss Swatch watch switch? |
| 17:42.05 | Cotulla | :D |
| 17:42.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | lol |
| 17:42.35 | Cotulla | translate it :D |
| 17:44.25 | arrrghhh | madness |
| 17:45.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: did you know photon guys have made good progress and all hardware is working (due to similiarities with liberty) and they've sent me a device to port my modded LK from X1? |
| 17:45.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/783/dsc0072rt.jpg |
| 17:46.51 | arrrghhh | how's that going alex? |
| 17:47.27 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: i've just fixed screen resolution and used code from x1 and it worked. i plan to either add msm7227 to my tree or, better, use latest version from codeaurora |
| 17:47.35 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 17:47.37 | arrrghhh | nice |
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| 17:52.53 | caliban2 | arrrghhh, for x1-owners, this is certainly NOT nice! :P |
| 17:53.50 | arrrghhh | meh, who cares about the 3 of you guys. |
| 17:54.00 | caliban2 | hehe, nice ^^ |
| 17:54.05 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 17:58.13 | arrrghhh | the TP2 population is shrinking too |
| 17:58.30 | arrrghhh | seems there's people that still use 'em, but are perfectly fine on WinMo? *shrug* |
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| 18:03.30 | Cotulla | Alex, I saw the table |
| 18:03.35 | Cotulla | there a lot of issues still seems |
| 18:03.37 | Cotulla | :) |
| 18:04.22 | Cotulla | haha port it |
| 18:04.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: fwiw, battery, suspend, gps are working and everything except it was done by you. so fm radio may be the only missing bit now. it is like everything is done, but they don't have a single repository and some things work in one build but not another |
| 18:05.34 | arrrghhh | hah |
| 18:05.45 | arrrghhh | bring it all together |
| 18:06.41 | Cotulla | is it? |
| 18:06.42 | Cotulla | http://code.google.com/p/photon-android/issues/list |
| 18:08.06 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: i think this list is not updated. for example, 3g, battery, battery drain etc has been fixed. probably mic echo (acoustic), fm radio and video recording are left. anyway, since photon rpc is similiar to liberty, it should not be hard to port liberty cm7. |
| 18:08.20 | Cotulla | maybe |
| 18:08.31 | Cotulla | it similar but not in all stuffs |
| 18:08.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | still it is a nice device. not extremely fast but graphics are way faster than on x1 |
| 18:08.55 | Cotulla | my father is using such one ya |
| 18:09.04 | Cotulla | it's small |
| 18:09.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | but it sucks because it has touch keys instead of hardware ones |
| 18:09.16 | Cotulla | not sure |
| 18:09.26 | Cotulla | touch keys allow much more presses than hardware |
| 18:09.32 | Cotulla | and it's hard to kill them |
| 18:09.38 | Cotulla | hardware keys very easy to kill |
| 18:11.28 | Cotulla | but they are funny however . . . why not sold photon and buy liberty? |
| 18:12.58 | Alex[sp3dev] | because you cannot sell a used photon for the price of a new one. but yeah. back in 2007 it was understandable because first android devices were inferior to wm in terms of screen resolution and ram.. i actually understand why developers would want to port something, but why users want to wait... |
| 18:13.24 | Cotulla | they think that it's free job by porting. and it costs nothing :D |
| 18:13.57 | Cotulla | and porting android is boring thing |
| 18:14.13 | Cotulla | including all this linux issues and etc |
| 18:14.26 | Cotulla | it's why I am going forward |
| 18:15.09 | Cotulla | I am running paravirtuliazed WM61 as WP7 application ;) |
| 18:15.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, porting to x1 was funny for me, especially lk. i learned how to handle interrupts, how linux works. photon should not be hard since we have experience now. but now i'm switching my focus to userland stuff and learning cool stuff like opencv, erlang etc |
| 18:16.04 | Cotulla | not sure about "not be hard" |
| 18:16.17 | Cotulla | most things in android done to be "fucking hard" |
| 18:16.44 | Cotulla | btw do u good with networks? |
| 18:17.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, most hardware works including camera and wifi. i do not care for bluetooth headsets and stuff i have never used. and i only promised to get linux in nand, not working on userland ;) |
| 18:18.03 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: i am not really good with networks. i mean, i know how to program sockets, unix ipc, rabbitmq, how to set up iptables and tc (QoS) but no real life experience except 3 PCs at home |
| 18:18.22 | Cotulla | I need some kind of proxy to give internet for Guest system |
| 18:18.39 | Cotulla | maybe u know open source projects which implements it as application under Win32 |
| 18:18.41 | Cotulla | ? |
| 18:19.00 | Cotulla | I am bad in this stuffs and even don't know if it possible at all |
| 18:19.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, winmo supports NAT itself. should be enough to implement network driver and use it instead of usb for the tethering app |
| 18:19.18 | Cotulla | I know about NAT |
| 18:19.34 | Cotulla | but is it possible make on "user" level |
| 18:19.41 | Cotulla | using WinSocks or etc API |
| 18:20.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | you can always steal from qemu |
| 18:20.14 | Cotulla | I looked to Bochs already |
| 18:20.20 | Cotulla | they are using WinPCAP |
| 18:20.33 | Cotulla | and it's with driver . . . |
| 18:21.03 | Alex[sp3dev] | i mean, in linux, qemu uses tap (virtual network device) to communicate with VM and to NAT traffic, you just need some rules for iptables and a dns/dhcp server for automatic configuration |
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| 18:22.54 | Cotulla | but tap is driver also |
| 18:23.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes, but is that a problem? i think you can either use sockets to talk between the driver and VM or shared memory |
| 18:24.26 | Cotulla | I don't want driver because not sure if it will work |
| 18:25.49 | Alex[sp3dev] | but it is implemented this way in all virtual machines. on the other hand, you can try to hook the networking apis in the guest OS and make wrappers around the host libraries but that's harder |
| 18:26.07 | Cotulla | it's rather impossible |
| 18:26.27 | Alex[sp3dev] | do you have ideas except the driver? |
| 18:27.20 | Cotulla | same like ur previous sentence, but it won't work well |
| 18:27.38 | Cotulla | driver means that I will need connect ICS to it |
| 18:28.23 | Cotulla | yes QEMU is TAP too |
| 18:28.25 | Alex[sp3dev] | is that a problem? you can change 'public' and 'private' interfaces via registry. so you can route between wifi and virtual driver and ICS has dhcp builtin |
| 18:28.40 | Cotulla | but there also user ICS |
| 18:28.51 | Cotulla | WLAN <-> Cellular |
| 18:28.59 | Cotulla | I don't know if they can work together |
| 18:29.08 | Cotulla | but ok I can try |
| 18:29.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | then you'll need to find a way to disallow launching ICS when virtual machine is in ue |
| 18:29.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | s/ue/use/g |
| 18:29.27 | Cotulla | it sounds some kind of fail |
| 18:29.27 | Cotulla | :D |
| 18:29.34 | Cotulla | but ok I may try it |
| 18:30.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | maybe it is just possible to use NAT without ICS? maybe just look what apis ICS app calls |
| 18:30.41 | Cotulla | I am n00b in that |
| 18:30.58 | Cotulla | how QEMU go to internet with only virtual driver? |
| 18:31.20 | phh | Cotulla: the tap is bridged to the eth |
| 18:31.22 | phh | or nat |
| 18:31.24 | phh | depends on the conf |
| 18:31.43 | Cotulla | so user must manually do it in the linux? |
| 18:31.47 | Cotulla | *lol |
| 18:31.50 | Cotulla | *in the windows |
| 18:32.18 | phh | err if you ask about windows now ... |
| 18:32.18 | Cotulla | okay I will try |
| 18:32.28 | Cotulla | I am ask _only_ about windows . . . |
| 18:32.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: in linux - either manually or virtualbox can call the APIs itself. in windows.. well, virtualbox also works. virtualbox is open source |
| 18:32.44 | Cotulla | ok I can look to it |
| 18:33.16 | Cotulla | 70 MB X_x |
| 18:34.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | btw, aero works in virtualbox with linux as host |
| 18:34.16 | Cotulla | is it big? |
| 18:34.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | what is big? |
| 18:34.37 | Cotulla | aero & box |
| 18:35.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, aero is part of windows. vbox drivers for windows are around 15 mb, i thing |
| 18:35.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | s/thing/think/g |
| 18:35.20 | Cotulla | oh I means is it great? |
| 18:35.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | it is a bit buggy but the support was added not long ago. it is faster than vmware |
| 18:36.23 | Alex[sp3dev] | by buggy i mean, textures can get corrupted. but it does not freeze or reboot |
| 18:36.36 | Cotulla | hm |
| 18:36.37 | Cotulla | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.42 | Cotulla | what is UDP tunnel |
| 18:36.55 | Alex[sp3dev] | something that tunnels UDP traffic? |
| 18:37.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | or tunnels everything by wrapping it into UDP streams |
| 18:38.01 | Cotulla | there also a driver |
| 18:38.03 | Cotulla | :( |
| 18:38.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | so you want to avoid installing drivers to host os? |
| 18:38.49 | Cotulla | yes |
| 18:44.25 | Cotulla | shit ARM hackerzz go to history |
| 18:45.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | what? |
| 18:46.31 | Cotulla | time for THUMB2 hackerzz :( |
| 18:46.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | thumb2 is not for cool pdas, it is for cheapest micro controllers |
| 18:47.05 | Cotulla | no |
| 18:47.10 | Cotulla | modern os go to thumb2 |
| 18:47.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | any disadvantages except that arm was easy to read in hex? |
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| 18:48.00 | Cotulla | varable length 4 or 2 |
| 18:48.14 | Cotulla | so hard to insert ur own code |
| 18:48.23 | Alex[sp3dev] | that's great |
| 18:48.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | it will stimulate people to stop messing with close-sourced crap |
| 18:48.46 | Cotulla | lol alex |
| 18:49.20 | Cotulla | u say like open source is so great |
| 18:49.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | but indeed. who would need patching binaries except geeks and hackers? if you are working for htc and creating a new device, you have sources |
| 18:49.53 | Cotulla | I remember text inside ur blog still :) |
| 18:50.09 | Cotulla | yeah I tell u about hackers |
| 18:50.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | i'm not the most inadequate person on juick |
| 18:50.13 | Cotulla | THUMB2 era |
| 18:50.22 | Cotulla | begins |
| 18:51.00 | Alex[sp3dev] | IT IS TIME TO REWRITE EVERYTHING IN THUMB2. THE CODE WILL NOT REWRITE ITSELF. I HAVE NOT REWRITTEN ARM TO THUMB FOR 2 HOURS. |
| 18:51.10 | Cotulla | ? |
| 18:51.15 | Cotulla | man, compiler do all work now |
| 18:51.18 | Cotulla | almost all |
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| 18:52.15 | Cotulla | lol new android soon |
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| 18:52.36 | Alex[sp3dev] | new nexus and new samsung galaxy have 1280x720 screens O_o |
| 18:52.40 | arrrghhh | w00t |
| 18:52.48 | arrrghhh | finally SoC's that can push HD |
| 18:52.57 | Cotulla | 8250 also could |
| 18:53.35 | Cotulla | it was a new era |
| 18:54.27 | Cotulla | every time when I boot RHO, I think how this 7200A is crappy slow. I believe I heard how springs works inside! |
| 18:54.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | my good old loox 720 works on vacuum tubes |
| 18:55.05 | Cotulla | dude there was PXA272 |
| 18:55.16 | Cotulla | :P |
| 18:57.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | at least photon has a powerful amplifier. the sound is like 3 times louder than in x1 |
| 18:57.15 | Cotulla | u got it already? |
| 18:57.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | yeah, just today |
| 18:57.28 | Cotulla | how long take? |
| 18:58.52 | Alex[sp3dev] | actually the delivery service was crap. the guards at the dorm rejected it on thursday but the courier did not inform us so i had to call them multiple times. and the service was not really willing to grab their arses and do anything. so it was expected to take 2 days but took 5 days. |
| 19:00.19 | Cotulla | EMS? |
| 19:00.44 | Cotulla | usual story |
| 19:00.58 | Alex[sp3dev] | irbi express. the guy was sending me the device from SPB to MSK. so he decided not to use this company for his business anymore |
| 19:01.44 | Cotulla | hehe |
| 19:01.47 | Cotulla | other is same I think |
| 19:03.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | that's true of most businesses in russia. no one wants to do the service, but everyone wants to make profit |
| 19:04.56 | arrrghhh | sounds like america too ^^ |
| 19:05.11 | arrrghhh | why we move all manufacturing out of this country... idiots. |
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