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| 17:41.50 | krisse | Hi all, does somebody now where the parameters are configured in the kernel for NAND. I mean like IRQ's and so one? or are they dynamically asigned? |
| 17:42.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | i would say they are passed via 'resources' from devices.c in arch/arm/mach-msm |
| 17:43.17 | bioterror | I took a shortcut today and grabbed samsung galaxy mini with 2 years contract, 2 euros a month, that makes 48 euros as that total price of the phone |
| 17:43.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | what is galaxy mini? some old msm crap? |
| 17:43.45 | krisse | alex: thx |
| 17:43.55 | bioterror | Alex[sp3dev], crappy samsung ;) |
| 17:44.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | btw, i have found a good way to stop my fridge from stinking |
| 17:44.47 | arrrghhh | throw it out the window? |
| 17:44.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | hydrogen peroxide ftw |
| 17:44.53 | arrrghhh | let the people on the streets deal with it |
| 17:44.58 | arrrghhh | hahaha |
| 17:45.03 | arrrghhh | the bubbly clean |
| 17:45.04 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: find maggots yest/ |
| 17:45.12 | [acl] | yet ? |
| 17:45.22 | stinebd | Alex[sp3dev]: i've merged your changes locally on froyo, all's good when i push it |
| 17:45.39 | stinebd | however i need to work on gingerbread, we have to bring up all the froyo code |
| 17:46.13 | bioterror | Alex[sp3dev], does it stink from the inside? :) |
| 17:47.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | bioterror: not anymore, we have disassembled it today and washed every stinking spot with peroxide.. it dissolves organic stuff |
| 17:47.31 | stinebd | dip it in muriatic acid for an hour |
| 17:48.05 | arrrghhh | the fridge will be no more |
| 17:48.12 | stinebd | some of it should still be there |
| 17:48.23 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 17:48.40 | bioterror | Alex[sp3dev], did you try baking soda? |
| 17:48.50 | bioterror | it should suck some smell too if I remember right |
| 17:50.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | bioterror: well, actually it was enough to wash it with washing powder to clean most smell and stuff. we only had to use peroxide to clean the crap from gaps between metal and plastic parts |
| 17:50.38 | bioterror | :) |
| 17:50.51 | Cotulla | hey |
| 17:50.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | hey Cotulla |
| 17:51.06 | [acl] | party is on now.. sup Cotulla |
| 17:51.07 | bioterror | I once had a fridge that had weird mint smell :D |
| 17:51.13 | Cotulla | apt say hey Alex |
| 17:51.13 | apt | hey Alex |
| 17:51.27 | Cotulla | hm again about fridges |
| 17:51.29 | Cotulla | it's good |
| 17:51.44 | [acl] | Cotulla: well what else are we supposed to talk about |
| 17:51.45 | [acl] | :-p |
| 17:52.17 | bioterror | Alex[sp3dev], http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_mini_s5570-3725.php |
| 17:52.36 | Cotulla | maybe about bridges? |
| 17:52.39 | bioterror | 256k colors after xperia x1's display is :-----D |
| 17:53.00 | [acl] | Cotulla: you missed our talk about CCCP shirts yesterday |
| 17:53.01 | Cotulla | ? |
| 17:53.26 | Cotulla | I was there? D e l e n n ? |
| 17:53.46 | [acl] | ohh shit.. i guess i forgot |
| 17:53.56 | Cotulla | hahs |
| 17:54.07 | Cotulla | what u think about USSR? |
| 17:54.12 | Cotulla | tell me truth |
| 17:56.10 | [acl] | brb.. cisco conf call |
| 17:56.14 | [acl] | these are brutal |
| 17:57.29 | ali1234 | Cotulla: i heard you are looking at meego again. finding it any better? |
| 17:59.21 | Cotulla | who tell u this? |
| 17:59.28 | Cotulla | somebody make more than 5 errors inside word "WebOS"? |
| 17:59.54 | Cotulla | I don't look to meego, don't know where they stopped |
| 18:00.38 | ali1234 | (23:20:29) Cotulla: I tired to use MSM-X11 driver |
| 18:00.38 | ali1234 | (23:20:40) Cotulla: for meego |
| 18:00.45 | ali1234 | in reference to older attempts i take it? |
| 18:00.58 | Cotulla | there was talk about GNU linux |
| 18:01.05 | Cotulla | I developed ALSA for LEO |
| 18:02.25 | Cotulla | ali1234, do you know how there meego? |
| 18:02.32 | Cotulla | I didn't look to status long time |
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| 18:03.01 | ali1234 | mmm, well, the N900 edition is looking a lot better now |
| 18:03.13 | ali1234 | and they have that new "tablet" interface too |
| 18:03.29 | ali1234 | but community adaptations are still a pain in the ass, from what i hear |
| 18:03.42 | ali1234 | unless you have the blessing |
| 18:04.29 | ali1234 | nokia troubles don't seem to have affected the project much at all, if anything it has got better as a result of the whiners finally giving up and leaving (except for me) |
| 18:05.13 | Cotulla | whiners |
| 18:05.14 | Cotulla | ? |
| 18:05.34 | Cotulla | there was unfriendly irc channel in Jan 2011 |
| 18:05.39 | Cotulla | there nobody helps actually me |
| 18:05.39 | ali1234 | yes, the people who constantly ask "where are the phones? why is this part closed?" |
| 18:06.12 | Cotulla | hm any phones with meego? |
| 18:06.18 | ali1234 | nope |
| 18:06.34 | ali1234 | N900 and N950 are the closest, neither available for purchase |
| 18:06.50 | ali1234 | well, you can probably buy a N900 still, but not with meego |
| 18:07.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | you can buy N9 but its userland is between maemo and meego |
| 18:07.18 | ali1234 | yeah, harmatten |
| 18:07.23 | ali1234 | and you can't buy it yet |
| 18:07.25 | Cotulla | and how looks Meego UI on N900? do you have video? |
| 18:07.35 | ali1234 | N950 is harmatten too |
| 18:08.19 | ali1234 | well you can use a couple of different user interfaces, either phone edition or tablet edition... they look completely different |
| 18:09.01 | krisse | hi all |
| 18:09.03 | krisse | I have a problem with insmod wlan.ko. After doing that the insmod freezes. This is the pastbin |
| 18:09.05 | krisse | http://pastebin.com/B05vcDMs (dmesg) |
| 18:09.07 | krisse | http://pastebin.com/GXYscQiJ (logcat) |
| 18:09.09 | krisse | can somebody help? I added some logging to the kernel but didn't find how to go further then msm_sdcc.c |
| 18:09.27 | Cotulla | hhey krisse |
| 18:09.35 | krisse | hi cotulla |
| 18:09.54 | Cotulla | phone edition is done? |
| 18:10.01 | Cotulla | or same shit like in the January? |
| 18:10.07 | krisse | ? |
| 18:10.10 | ali1234 | i wouldn't call it "done" but it is a lot better than it was in jan |
| 18:10.21 | krisse | oh sorry |
| 18:10.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | meh. i have just accepted that wl1251 sucks because tiwlan driver is unstable and you need to hack and hardcode it for every device and wl1251 simply doesn't work on msm |
| 18:11.07 | krisse | I'm now using tiwlan |
| 18:11.10 | Cotulla | is it less buggy? |
| 18:11.11 | krisse | not compat brol |
| 18:11.12 | krisse | :) |
| 18:11.40 | Cotulla | I remember I stopped when found that black screen isn't issue of my 3D drivers |
| 18:11.46 | Cotulla | but meego issue |
| 18:12.13 | krisse | cotulla: I work on blackstone nand |
| 18:12.23 | krisse | cotulla: I boot into android with it |
| 18:12.35 | ali1234 | seems recent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i9qQYhhuF0 |
| 18:13.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | krisse: just use the LK from kovsky and you can boot haret kernels on nand.. well, if you fix time_remote handler for RPC in kernel |
| 18:13.54 | Alex[sp3dev] | krisse: and remember. tiad is a forbidden word |
| 18:14.06 | krisse | yes |
| 18:14.08 | krisse | I know |
| 18:14.09 | krisse | now |
| 18:14.53 | krisse | where can I get LK? |
| 18:15.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | i think [[LK_Bootloader]] contains the link |
| 18:15.31 | unilinky | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=LK_Bootloader |
| 18:19.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | also note https://gitorious.org/lk-msm7200a-htc-wince/tinboot-for-lk-xda which contains the wrapper around LK to make it boot with wince SPL. you'll need to compile the generate utility though |
| 18:20.20 | Cotulla | ali1234, looking |
| 18:20.59 | krisse | ok |
| 18:21.06 | krisse | so I need to make a new bootloader? |
| 18:21.25 | Alex[sp3dev] | you need to compile it and flash the nbh instead of wince os |
| 18:21.55 | krisse | oh |
| 18:22.12 | krisse | well that part, I'm not so familar with |
| 18:22.20 | krisse | is there some step by step guide? |
| 18:22.27 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, i have an nbh for kovsky and it should work.. but you need to add your board yourself because using kovsky stuff on blackstone may be harmful as you will not be able to charge battery from LK |
| 18:22.34 | krisse | I now how to flash nbh but not how to generate olne |
| 18:22.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | the tinboot repository contains the needed scripts |
| 18:23.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | there should be a build.sh in LK git so just change the path to your cross compiler |
| 18:23.49 | Cotulla | ali1234, looks much more cool than before |
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| 18:24.04 | Cotulla | is it stable? |
| 18:24.10 | krisse | alex, so i need this git? lk-msm7200a-htc-wince |
| 18:24.16 | ali1234 | dunno, i have not tried it |
| 18:24.37 | Alex[sp3dev] | krisse: yep. i advise that you study the code and add blackstone the same way as kovs and rhod are done.. but for now, just compile as is |
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| 18:25.02 | krisse | you sure it will not brake my device right? |
| 18:25.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | the standard disclaimer applies |
| 18:25.27 | Cotulla | maybe I can try it |
| 18:25.38 | Cotulla | but I think there again very-hard-and-complex-build-process? |
| 18:25.50 | ali1234 | yes, nothing has really changed there |
| 18:25.55 | ali1234 | OBS is still a PITA |
| 18:26.05 | Cotulla | OBS? |
| 18:26.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | meego uses rpm. so it is based on fedora. fedora is gay. so meego is gay |
| 18:26.11 | ali1234 | the build system they use |
| 18:26.18 | ali1234 | Alex[sp3dev]: lol |
| 18:26.31 | Cotulla | alex talking about meego/rpm so he is g a y too! nice logic |
| 18:26.46 | ali1234 | Cotulla: that's the kind of thing i was talking about with whiners ^ |
| 18:27.02 | Cotulla | I don't know |
| 18:27.07 | Cotulla | but I don't think it's normal |
| 18:27.08 | ali1234 | insane troll logic was common, but when nokia announced they are switching to windows, most of the trolls left for some reason |
| 18:27.14 | Cotulla | why make things harder in times? |
| 18:27.37 | Cotulla | or I miss something? |
| 18:27.46 | ali1234 | i'm not sure what you mean? |
| 18:27.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | ali1234: actually, pulseaudio, networkmanager and systemd are gay.. they were written by the same person. but i will not elaborate on that. i just wanted to indicate i hate xml and utilities without proper command-line tools or that combine too much power in one tool |
| 18:28.14 | Cotulla | are u talks about whiners, who tells that meego is gay? |
| 18:28.28 | Cotulla | or explain pls more |
| 18:28.31 | [acl] | who gay? |
| 18:28.36 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: you |
| 18:28.45 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: and thank you for noticing fag :-p |
| 18:28.48 | ali1234 | yes, leinir :) he seen on #meego fairly regularly too :) |
| 18:28.55 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: no problem sir |
| 18:28.58 | [acl] | lol |
| 18:29.00 | Cotulla | ali1234, so? |
| 18:29.31 | ali1234 | Cotulla: well, all the "meego is gay" trolls seemed to just give up and leave |
| 18:29.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: i think ali1234 means that people claim 'meego sucks because it is not stable' an 'it sucks because HUGE ENTERPRISES do not support it' but do not themselves participate in development |
| 18:30.20 | Cotulla | when I developed for LEO, I found that it's really not stable |
| 18:30.37 | Cotulla | once I debug issue with GDB and then found that's Meego issue |
| 18:30.39 | Cotulla | not my drivers |
| 18:30.49 | Cotulla | and 80% times was so |
| 18:30.50 | ali1234 | Alex[sp3dev]: yes. but ironically when one of the big corps stopped supporting it, and the troll's argument actually became true, for some reason they stopped |
| 18:31.16 | ali1234 | i don't understand it, but there you go |
| 18:31.33 | Cotulla | maybe because they start to think that it's dead already |
| 18:31.43 | ali1234 | yeah. no use beating a dead horse |
| 18:31.52 | Alex[sp3dev] | ali1234: because they have reached their aim.. actually the main troll is nokia boss |
| 18:32.10 | ali1234 | conspiracy theories were common too |
| 18:32.24 | Cotulla | anyway |
| 18:32.26 | Cotulla | for example |
| 18:32.29 | Cotulla | if I want to start again |
| 18:32.36 | Cotulla | nobody will tell me how I can build image for leo and etc |
| 18:32.48 | Cotulla | or I will need download 5-8 gigs of shit |
| 18:32.50 | ali1234 | probably only about 3 people int he whole world know how to build an images |
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| 18:32.57 | Alex[sp3dev] | my theory is that all bad decisions in programming and other engineering are the consequences of coproeconomics and too many managers |
| 18:33.02 | ali1234 | and yeah, you *will* need to download 5-8 gigs of shit |
| 18:33.17 | Cotulla | or maybe N900 image |
| 18:33.20 | Cotulla | can be reused |
| 18:33.33 | Cotulla | and it's too heavy for phone |
| 18:33.37 | Cotulla | I remember there was around 1 Gb |
| 18:33.41 | Cotulla | whole Meego |
| 18:33.51 | ali1234 | it hasn't really got any smaller |
| 18:34.06 | Cotulla | shit |
| 18:34.17 | ali1234 | and bootstrapping a hardware adaptation is still hard |
| 18:34.28 | Cotulla | so they had initial ideas wrong |
| 18:34.34 | Cotulla | like using Qt X11 |
| 18:34.35 | Cotulla | and etc |
| 18:34.45 | ali1234 | unless your hardware is either intel SSSE4 or OMAP4 |
| 18:34.53 | ali1234 | some people hack on tegra 2 as well |
| 18:34.55 | Cotulla | my is QSD8250B |
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| 18:35.07 | Cotulla | ohh I remember there was funny issues with tegra |
| 18:35.12 | Cotulla | how far they go? |
| 18:35.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | looks like n9's omap3 is fast enough. you just need (well, NEED) a good opengl es driver |
| 18:35.25 | ali1234 | dunno. far enough to have some kind of UI |
| 18:35.28 | Cotulla | lol |
| 18:35.33 | Cotulla | it's nothing |
| 18:35.36 | Cotulla | I had UI |
| 18:35.39 | Cotulla | also |
| 18:35.47 | ali1234 | yes |
| 18:35.55 | Alex[sp3dev] | on tegra it is quite fast because tegra has official drivers for X11 and OpenGL.. |
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| 18:36.16 | ali1234 | yeah, that is always the biggest challenge on arm. getting video drivers |
| 18:37.03 | ali1234 | once you've done that it is just a matter of making the crazy build system cooperate |
| 18:37.29 | Cotulla | my last was also with 3D |
| 18:37.35 | Cotulla | it become faster |
| 18:37.39 | Cotulla | but still blackscreens |
| 18:37.41 | Cotulla | and etc |
| 18:37.48 | Cotulla | it was meego issues |
| 18:37.55 | Cotulla | and corrupted text |
| 18:38.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | actually i'm now just using ubuntu on my tegra tablet. i think when you don't have to think about modem/phone calls and have a huge screen, suddenly most problems you face with porting linux disappear |
| 18:39.01 | Cotulla | hehe |
| 18:39.22 | Cotulla | intersting where last N900 meego image |
| 18:39.35 | ali1234 | well you have to get *working* video drivers. not convinced your problems weren't at least partially due to the drivers... |
| 18:40.07 | Cotulla | but then somebody points me to |
| 18:40.09 | Cotulla | bug lists |
| 18:40.14 | Cotulla | and there issue was listed |
| 18:40.19 | ali1234 | well, has it been fixed? |
| 18:40.29 | Cotulla | or maybe Qt really less compatible with different 3D drivers |
| 18:40.48 | ali1234 | Qt has a lot of multi path code |
| 18:40.53 | ali1234 | ie code specific to each hardware |
| 18:41.04 | Cotulla | but it always build |
| 18:41.05 | Cotulla | inside |
| 18:41.09 | ali1234 | you are going to get edge cases in a system like that |
| 18:41.12 | Cotulla | checked during runtime |
| 18:41.35 | ali1234 | with 3d you often rely on the graphics drivers to correctly report what the hardware can do at run time |
| 18:41.39 | ali1234 | but im sure you know this |
| 18:41.48 | Cotulla | yes there properties |
| 18:41.56 | Cotulla | of extra capabilities |
| 18:42.01 | Cotulla | like texture from memory |
| 18:42.09 | Cotulla | hm Meego use ALSA? |
| 18:42.15 | ali1234 | N900 CE is here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 |
| 18:42.21 | ali1234 | meego uses alsa and pulseaudio afaik |
| 18:43.31 | Cotulla | so sound exist for leo already |
| 18:43.33 | ali1234 | btw, it is a raw disk image with partition table and all... |
| 18:44.01 | Cotulla | I think I can dump it |
| 18:44.05 | Cotulla | replace some files from old |
| 18:44.08 | Cotulla | LEO meego |
| 18:44.13 | Cotulla | add addb |
| 18:44.14 | [acl] | sometimes i just hate my job |
| 18:44.17 | Cotulla | and it should runs |
| 18:44.24 | Cotulla | [acl], I hate ur job too |
| 18:44.26 | ali1234 | should do, yeah |
| 18:44.30 | Cotulla | even I don't know anything about it |
| 18:44.34 | ali1234 | as long as leo supports arm v7 and hardfp |
| 18:44.39 | Cotulla | yes |
| 18:44.51 | ali1234 | oh yeah, you might run into that proble,, that your graphics drivers and softfp and meego is hardfp |
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| 18:44.52 | Cotulla | https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=&content= |
| 18:44.53 | Cotulla | ha |
| 18:44.55 | ali1234 | a lot of people had this trouble |
| 18:45.24 | ali1234 | hmm that came out all messed up |
| 18:45.36 | ali1234 | what imean is, if drivers are compiled for softfp, then won't work on meego |
| 18:46.18 | ali1234 | oh don't even get me started on bugzilla, i can't stand it |
| 18:47.16 | [acl] | Cotulla: its nothing fun.. if you love networks yea it can be fun.. but if u hate dealing with other network people.. jebus it makes u wanna kill people |
| 18:47.27 | ali1234 | Cotulla: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 |
| 18:47.44 | Cotulla | hm I don't remember was my drivers hard or soft float |
| 18:48.03 | Cotulla | but softfloat wants import helpers from libc |
| 18:48.11 | Cotulla | are there different format of numbers used? |
| 18:48.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | soft float likely. because no one even talked about hardfp half a year ago |
| 18:48.28 | ali1234 | as i understand it, the difference is in how fp numbers are passed in the ABI |
| 18:48.36 | ali1234 | in one they're put on the stack, in the other they're put in registers |
| 18:48.46 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: softfp uses arm registers as a temporary buffers before passing to VFP, hardfp pushes directly to VFP |
| 18:49.12 | ali1234 | that sounds plausible too ^ |
| 18:49.15 | Cotulla | wait |
| 18:49.17 | ali1234 | i don't really know anything about it |
| 18:49.27 | Cotulla | softfp isn't extra helpers functions? |
| 18:49.33 | Alex[sp3dev] | no |
| 18:49.34 | ali1234 | no, it's not floating point emulation |
| 18:49.36 | Cotulla | like __aeabi_dtoi |
| 18:49.36 | Alex[sp3dev] | softfp is ABI |
| 18:49.46 | Cotulla | double to interger |
| 18:49.55 | Cotulla | hm |
| 18:50.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: those are called 'intrinsics' actually but this is another thing |
| 18:50.16 | Cotulla | they are called helpers |
| 18:50.21 | Cotulla | :) |
| 18:50.25 | Cotulla | wait |
| 18:50.26 | Cotulla | so |
| 18:50.37 | Alex[sp3dev] | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort |
| 18:50.38 | Cotulla | u means |
| 18:50.40 | Cotulla | R0-R3 |
| 18:50.43 | Cotulla | arguments |
| 18:51.20 | Cotulla | oh I understand |
| 18:51.27 | Cotulla | one use FPU registers for arguments |
| 18:51.32 | Cotulla | and other use only regular |
| 18:51.37 | Cotulla | which then loaded into FPU inside function |
| 18:51.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | exactly |
| 18:51.50 | Cotulla | hm |
| 18:52.25 | Cotulla | but who stops from making proxy? |
| 18:52.57 | Cotulla | seems this people just n00by whiners |
| 18:53.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | hardfp was done to avoid using arm registers because it is quite slow on modern cpus with vfp |
| 18:53.03 | ali1234 | lol |
| 18:53.10 | ali1234 | you'd make a lot of people happy if you made such a thing |
| 18:53.31 | Cotulla | there no much functions which get floating point arguments |
| 18:54.16 | Cotulla | it's only important to keep imported and exported functions |
| 18:54.28 | Cotulla | inside it can fuck itself how it want |
| 18:56.51 | Cotulla | ali1234, so it must not be hard to modify N900 image for LEO? |
| 18:57.09 | ali1234 | i guess most of the binaries would work |
| 18:57.14 | ali1234 | just video driver will be tricky |
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| 18:58.54 | ali1234 | you can also use mic2 to build a custom image from packages, it's tricky though |
| 18:59.12 | ali1234 | but you could use that to make it smaller if necessary |
| 18:59.23 | ali1234 | probably easier to just rip an existing image |
| 18:59.39 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 18:59.42 | Cotulla | there ext3? |
| 18:59.59 | ali1234 | think so |
| 19:00.06 | ali1234 | hmm |
| 19:00.12 | ali1234 | or btrfs, or ext4 :) |
| 19:00.35 | ali1234 | i know harmatten used ext4. but meego netbook x86 kernel has no ext4 support |
| 19:01.45 | Cotulla | that about inird / rootfs? |
| 19:03.00 | ali1234 | there's no initrd |
| 19:03.09 | ali1234 | just a /boot and a / |
| 19:03.18 | ali1234 | and you can ignore boot if you supply own kernel |
| 19:04.09 | Cotulla | but if it image on SD card somebody should mount it before |
| 19:04.30 | ali1234 | just specify path to root filesystem on kernel command line |
| 19:04.39 | ali1234 | root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 or whatever |
| 19:04.46 | ali1234 | that's what it does on n900 |
| 19:06.46 | Bert_2 | can I ask questions about hardware here ? |
| 19:08.02 | Cotulla | if (find(hardware, "htc") && find(brain, "linux")) answer("yes, you can"); |
| 19:08.18 | [acl] | damn |
| 19:08.34 | Bert_2 | A friend of mine broke his HTC wildfire's screen and is looking for a replacement, now he came to me to ask what difference there is to the replacement with and without the IC (integrated chip), now he had nog luck finding ANY information, does any of you have an idea which one he should buy ? |
| 19:09.05 | [acl] | Bert_2: i suggest a new phone :-) |
| 19:09.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | probably different panels. but if they're both original ones, both should work |
| 19:09.31 | Bert_2 | [acl]: so you don't think replacing a cracked screen is a good idea ? |
| 19:09.34 | Cotulla | ali1234, but it will need |
| 19:09.38 | Cotulla | raw SD card |
| 19:09.42 | Cotulla | right? |
| 19:09.48 | ali1234 | hmm. no? |
| 19:09.57 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: no. just create the partition (via MBR) |
| 19:10.12 | [acl] | Bert_2: im not a hardware ninja .. i actually had issues opening up my tp2.. But maybe im just not skilled in that area |
| 19:10.21 | ali1234 | the image you download is for a raw disk and includes partition table. but you can just rip the files |
| 19:10.23 | Cotulla | Bert_2, I think your friend should open phone and look for numbers/colors/text |
| 19:10.35 | Cotulla | and then ask seller about details of display |
| 19:10.42 | Bert_2 | Cotulla: I suggested that to him, he's going to do that, I hope |
| 19:10.44 | Cotulla | (same text, same color and etc) |
| 19:11.12 | Bert_2 | Alright, I'll forward this to him |
| 19:16.27 | Cotulla | so I can try it |
| 19:17.55 | Cotulla | Adreno 205 is Z470? |
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| 19:37.52 | Cotulla | ali1234, u will help me a bit, if I will need help a bit? |
| 19:38.07 | ali1234 | sure, i'll try |
| 19:38.25 | Cotulla | u good in Meego rigth? |
| 19:38.35 | ali1234 | hmm... some areas, yes |
| 19:38.44 | Cotulla | ok |
| 19:38.52 | Cotulla | I am downloading image to look into |
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| 19:54.47 | Cotulla | lol it's stop downloading twice |
| 19:59.02 | Cotulla | WinHex detects 3 partitions inside image |
| 19:59.21 | ali1234 | third is swap |
| 19:59.48 | ali1234 | be careful, third partition might get formatted on your sd card |
| 20:00.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | maybe instead of dd'ing a partition it is better to mount it on pc and copy to the mmc? so that you can create your fs on sd and it will be the correct size |
| 20:00.33 | Cotulla | yes maybe |
| 20:00.38 | arrrghhh | ^^ works well with tar |
| 20:00.49 | stinebd | shut up with your tar nonsense |
| 20:00.53 | stinebd | real men use cpio |
| 20:00.57 | Cotulla | lol |
| 20:00.58 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 20:01.09 | Cotulla | but I need the first partition as FAT for MAGLDR & zImage |
| 20:01.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: i often do like tar cp . | tar xp -C dest_dir |
| 20:01.18 | arrrghhh | Alex[sp3dev], yup |
| 20:01.33 | arrrghhh | cd /dir1; tar cf - . | (cd /dir2; tar xf -) |
| 20:01.42 | stinebd | cd? |
| 20:01.47 | arrrghhh | change directory? |
| 20:01.48 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 20:01.48 | stinebd | Alex[sp3dev] is better |
| 20:01.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | read man, you |
| 20:01.53 | arrrghhh | it's a command for n00bs |
| 20:01.54 | stinebd | that's what -C does |
| 20:01.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | stinebd: of course i am better |
| 20:02.02 | arrrghhh | bwhahaha |
| 20:02.09 | arrrghhh | well i got that command from hyc |
| 20:02.11 | arrrghhh | i take no credit :D |
| 20:02.14 | Cotulla | wtf |
| 20:02.18 | Cotulla | trolls |
| 20:02.21 | stinebd | hah |
| 20:02.24 | ali1234 | what's wrong with cp -a? |
| 20:02.32 | Cotulla | so I can format card inside ubuntu |
| 20:02.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | ali1234: the only wrong thing is that i didn't read man about it |
| 20:02.45 | Cotulla | to two partitions: the first is FAT and the second is EXTx |
| 20:03.10 | arrrghhh | yea i guess cp -a would work. der. |
| 20:03.18 | ali1234 | first partition is FAT cos u-boot reads it |
| 20:03.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | ali1234: does cp -a preserve nodes in /dev? |
| 20:03.22 | arrrghhh | someone coughrpierce99cough said it wouldn't preserve perms. |
| 20:03.35 | ali1234 | Alex[sp3dev]: hmm good point, not sure |
| 20:03.43 | ali1234 | i think it does |
| 20:03.47 | ali1234 | it should preserve everything |
| 20:03.51 | Alex[sp3dev] | i'll check |
| 20:04.00 | arrrghhh | say's -a is the same as --preserve=all |
| 20:04.01 | ali1234 | -a is archive, it preserves permissions |
| 20:04.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes, it does |
| 20:04.54 | ali1234 | not sure what it does with /dev off hand |
| 20:05.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | stinebd: do you have a build of ginger nearby? |
| 20:05.34 | Cotulla | and why linux use own part type for FAT? |
| 20:05.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: really? |
| 20:05.50 | [acl] | arrrghhh: no one doing my test bro.. crack the whip |
| 20:05.53 | Cotulla | or not |
| 20:05.55 | Cotulla | 82 83 0C |
| 20:05.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | i thought it uses 0xb |
| 20:05.57 | Cotulla | 0C is FAT |
| 20:05.59 | Cotulla | 82 is EXTx |
| 20:06.04 | Cotulla | 83 - swap? |
| 20:06.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | 83 is extx iirc |
| 20:06.20 | stinebd | Alex[sp3dev]: not yet, i have to bring up the changes for the hardware tree |
| 20:06.27 | Cotulla | ok |
| 20:07.49 | arrrghhh | [acl], lol. all these people want advanced features... then when you want them to test it nothing. murphy's law. |
| 20:08.11 | [acl] | arrrghhh: jebus bro.. they rather bitch about angrybirds |
| 20:08.19 | arrrghhh | lolol yup |
| 20:08.33 | [acl] | arrrghhh: ok fuck em.. plenty of other shit to work on |
| 20:08.35 | Cotulla | ok so I will try to copy this simple image |
| 20:08.38 | Cotulla | to 4 Gb card |
| 20:08.40 | arrrghhh | +1 |
| 20:08.56 | arrrghhh | gotta roll on NAND like a freight train |
| 20:09.02 | arrrghhh | how's lance doin? haven't talked to him in a gripo |
| 20:09.07 | arrrghhh | gripo? yea. |
| 20:09.25 | [acl] | arrrghhh: lance buys.. nate buying a house |
| 20:09.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: roll it like like bus 62 |
| 20:09.40 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 20:09.41 | arrrghhh | like a BUS |
| 20:09.52 | [acl] | arrrghhh: im just finishing up light sensor so hopefully this weekend rhod will get it patched. |
| 20:10.00 | arrrghhh | [acl], sweeeet |
| 20:10.02 | EdLin | Cotulla I think 83 is swap, don't quote me on that though. |
| 20:10.17 | Cotulla | ok thnks |
| 20:10.33 | Alex[sp3dev] | 82 is swap, 83 is ext3. damn, there's fdisk for that |
| 20:10.52 | EdLin | Cotulla I'm wrong, its the other way around |
| 20:11.03 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 20:11.09 | EdLin | Alex[sp3dev] got it right |
| 20:11.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | you can use fdisk /dev/zero and then 'p' to print the table of all partition codes |
| 20:11.18 | arrrghhh | fdisk ftw |
| 20:11.25 | EdLin | 83 is not neccesarily ext3, it's "linux native" |
| 20:11.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | oh, it's l, not p |
| 20:11.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | http://pastebin.com/7FjkgjQQ |
| 20:11.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | i'll just leave it here |
| 20:12.24 | Cotulla | lol 25 missing |
| 20:12.25 | Cotulla | ;) |
| 20:13.00 | EdLin | 25 is missing here too http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html |
| 20:13.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | hum.. 25 is wince xip, no? |
| 20:13.20 | Cotulla | no |
| 20:13.23 | Cotulla | IMGFS |
| 20:13.32 | Alex[sp3dev] | i was close |
| 20:13.38 | Cotulla | :P |
| 20:14.00 | arrrghhh | 25 is missing on Ubuntu |
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| 20:29.33 | Alex[sp3dev] | wow. i decided to give gentoo a spin in chroot (sometimes i want to test bleeding edge). i remember compiling stuff on my old athlon64 with ancient hdd was pain and took ages. now i have put /var/tmp/{portage,ccache} on a ramdisk and use ssd for the rootfs and compiling packages takes about the same time as installing them in debian |
| 20:30.15 | Cotulla | u lost ur child fantasy about gento |
| 20:30.23 | bioterror | Alex[sp3dev], yep. compiling is nowdays fast |
| 20:30.31 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:30.38 | Alex[sp3dev] | no.. i just understood that old hardware sucks |
| 20:30.42 | ali1234 | you didn't install qt4 then... |
| 20:30.45 | bioterror | but to be honest, arch is still faster and probably even more bleeding edge |
| 20:31.25 | bioterror | when I used to run freebsd on my sun microsystems netra t1 105, I didnt have a hurry with compiling ;) |
| 20:31.41 | bioterror | but custom kernel with couple of failures did take few hours to fix ;) |
| 20:31.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes, but building stuff in arch is a pita and many packages are broken. and actually gentoo is good for cross-compiling while arch only runs on x86 and on arm (though you have to use aur for everything) |
| 20:32.08 | Cotulla | make -j9 zImage fast too for me now |
| 20:32.17 | bioterror | :) |
| 20:32.22 | Cotulla | but once it doesn't build proper |
| 20:32.31 | Cotulla | it didn't want to see changes in one header file |
| 20:32.41 | Cotulla | maybe it's cygwin fault |
| 20:32.44 | Cotulla | dunno |
| 20:32.57 | bioterror | Pentium 3 1.4GHz was rather wast compiling |
| 20:33.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes, but disk IO is a bottleneck |
| 20:33.29 | bioterror | I had scsi ;) |
| 20:33.46 | Cotulla | maybe but ubuntu from USB Stick |
| 20:33.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | hardware troll |
| 20:33.48 | Cotulla | and compile there |
| 20:33.54 | Cotulla | *boot |
| 20:34.06 | Cotulla | it should work nice |
| 20:34.26 | bioterror | usb 2.0 is slow :( |
| 20:35.10 | Cotulla | usb only to load stuffs... |
| 20:35.13 | Cotulla | ^^ |
| 20:35.46 | Cotulla | then I can copy sources to 14Gb RAM |
| 20:36.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: are you using many virtual machines? |
| 20:36.09 | Cotulla | ubuntu64 can support such big ram disks? |
| 20:36.14 | Cotulla | yeah I have several |
| 20:36.21 | Cotulla | in VMWare |
| 20:36.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | do you use ram for that or for some other projects also? |
| 20:36.42 | Cotulla | for that and for speed |
| 20:36.58 | Cotulla | I wanna try to compile android/etc on ramdriver |
| 20:37.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok, i have 6gig on i686 |
| 20:37.13 | Cotulla | I think meego can fit too |
| 20:37.17 | Cotulla | into 14 gb right? |
| 20:37.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | buy yourself an ssd |
| 20:37.32 | Cotulla | yes I plans |
| 20:38.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | it is very fast. i can grep any string in android tree in several seconds. i think if you have sources on ssd, you can only use ram for output directory without losing speed |
| 20:38.39 | Cotulla | yeah will be cook |
| 20:38.40 | Cotulla | cool |
| 20:38.57 | ali1234 | i got 16gb |
| 20:39.10 | ali1234 | don't need an ssd now, basically my whole HD is in disk cache |
| 20:40.57 | Alex[sp3dev] | ssd makes everything fast even with little ram. but they are very expensive.. had to spend like $200 for a 120gig one because i replaced the hdd in my laptop and didn't want to buy the hdd holder for cdrom slot from online stores |
| 20:43.18 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 20:43.23 | Cotulla | nb hdd so slow |
| 20:43.34 | Cotulla | I copied 300 mb file with 10 mb speed |
| 20:43.36 | Cotulla | wtf |
| 20:43.38 | Cotulla | yesterday |
| 20:44.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | read/write speed is not important. the important thing is random access time |
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