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00:51.59schmaveWyrM
00:52.12schmaveI've seen you on internet chat logs
00:52.16schmaveare you here?
00:52.22schmaveI need to pick your brains!
00:52.37schmave(only if you have a minute, that is :) )
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06:15.32schmavehmmph! is *anyone* here?
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06:32.30WyrMhi
06:32.38WyrMschmave: im here now.
06:33.30schmaveoh coolies!
06:34.04schmaveyeah, I was just wondering which architectures the bcm4329 was using for various cpu's
06:34.29schmaveor if you knew where to find out/ how to find out
06:34.38schmavebroadcom doesn't tell me aaaaanything haha
06:34.51WyrMbrcm documentation and support sucks.
06:35.14WyrMits arm7tdmi, firmware is thumb code.
06:35.15schmavesupport? I would go so far as to say suckort
06:35.23schmavehaha
06:35.37schmavetdmi ?
06:35.53schmaveand how do you discern this haha?
06:36.17WyrMthey leaked enough information on brcm_patchram_plus.c to allow you to read the full firmware.
06:36.54schmave"Thumb+Debug+Multiplier+ICE"
06:36.59schmaveaha!
06:37.21schmavebroadcom released patchram_plus.c????
06:37.28schmavei thought that was some indie hacker
06:37.49WyrMlol, didn't know that.
06:37.59WyrMit came for us in freescale's BSP.
06:38.00schmaveCopyright (C) 2009 Broadcom Corporation.
06:38.07schmaveno you're right
06:38.09schmavecrazy!
06:38.19schmavebsp? broadcom serial protocol?
06:38.32WyrMboard support package.
06:38.57schmaveare you their client?
06:39.09WyrMthe company i work for is.
06:39.13schmaveyou sound like you are
06:39.15schmaveAHHHHH!
06:39.18schmaveshhhhh!
06:39.28schmaveI wanted a clean room
06:39.32schmaveoh who cares
06:39.33schmavehaha
06:40.18WyrMWhat are you doing with bcm4329?
06:40.21WyrMfmradio too?
06:40.28schmavestraight-up
06:40.33schmavebut I want everything
06:40.34schmavefm
06:40.35schmaverds
06:40.38schmaverx
06:40.39schmaveand tx
06:40.50WyrMhow is your hardware wired?
06:40.57schmavedon't know
06:41.00schmaveit's a hostile box
06:41.00WyrMi mean.. digital audio.
06:41.11schmaveoh
06:41.20schmaveknow for fact
06:41.25schmavethat pcm is hooked up
06:42.00schmavebut also pretty sure the i squared s runs into the apps processor too
06:42.04WyrMthe issue that i have is that our HW is connected to the chip PCM. And even if the docs says that it does support fm audio to go through this port, it doesn't work at all.
06:42.19schmaveI'm the opposite
06:42.23WyrMand brcm support says it doesnt work through PCM.
06:42.29schmavewait fm
06:42.32WyrMAnd i made it work (well, kind of).
06:42.35schmavedistinct from
06:42.41schmavebt
06:42.43schmavepcm?
06:43.00WyrMthe chip has PCM (for BT/SCO) and I2S for FM.
06:43.19schmavebut the diagram available to us civilians
06:43.33schmavesays all communications for the fm core are done through the bluetooth core
06:43.41schmavethat's how I am issuing commands;
06:43.49WyrMYes, thats right for control.
06:43.57schmavehci packets that do smbus register read/writes
06:44.08WyrMaudio data goes through I2S or analog port.
06:44.12schmaveyes then I assumed that the pcm/i2s ports from the bt module
06:44.25schmavewould also service the fm module
06:44.32schmavefor no more reason than
06:44.38schmave"that's how it is in the picture"
06:44.42WyrMThe docs says it does. But support say it doesn't.
06:45.06schmavewait are you saying that there are distinct lines
06:45.08WyrMAnyway, it seems to _not_work_ because of firmware bugs/lack of support.
06:45.19schmavefrom the fm core to the outside of the chip
06:45.31schmaveso there are distinct pcm/i2s lines for the two cores
06:45.38schmavelike two sets of pcm/i2s lines????
06:45.44WyrMyes.
06:46.05schmavefuck.
06:46.21schmavethen I don't know if my pcm/i2s lines (for the fm core) are wired
06:46.42WyrMHeh, you can make it work through the PCM lines too.
06:46.51WyrMbut not with BRCM documentation.
06:46.55WyrM;)
06:47.09schmaveyes but I don't even know if my pcm lines are connected to anything
06:47.22WyrMDoes bluetooth SCO audio works?
06:47.30schmaveI haven't got it working yet
06:47.45schmavei just get what I think are a tonne of error packets
06:47.49WyrMWhich HW are you working with?
06:47.55schmavewell I *know* there are a tonne of them
06:48.00schmaveI just think they're error packets
06:48.06schmavebcm4329
06:48.27WyrMYou can also get audio packets from BT/SCO through HCI, but i couldnt get it to work properly.
06:48.52schmaveand can I just comment... they upload the firmware to the device using hci commands...
06:49.00WyrMNo.
06:49.02schmaveoh
06:49.07schmaveI read the code wrong then
06:49.08schmavehaha
06:49.10WyrMThese are "patches" to ram.
06:49.21WyrMfull firmware is on ROM memory.
06:49.21schmavehci_download_minidriver
06:49.24schmaveohhhh
06:49.46schmaveand when you said you dumped the bt firmware, you dumped the whole thing?
06:49.51schmaveahh okay
06:49.51WyrMyes.
06:49.58schmaveso *thats* why ida
06:50.05schmavecouldn't interpret the hcd
06:50.12WyrMCorrect.
06:50.13schmave(now I'mmm the rookie)
06:50.27schmaveyeah because I remember reading the cores were arm cores
06:50.32schmavebut ida couldn't make sense of it
06:50.38WyrMI loaded both ROM space and RAM space on IDA.
06:50.55WyrMand it was able to interpret everything (almost)
06:51.03schmaveand (as you well know) the strings of the ram patches are useless
06:51.08WyrMthen it was easy to map the peripherals etc..
06:51.10schmaveokaoyokay okay
06:51.23schmavewithout being a bcm customer
06:51.28schmaveis it possible for me to read their code
06:51.34schmavewrite something to dump the firmware
06:51.41schmaveand know the ram/rom addresses
06:51.42schmave?
06:51.45WyrMYes, they did not help me with this.
06:51.48schmaveokay
06:52.03WyrMall i used was super_peek_poke they leaked on brcm_patchram_plus.c
06:52.08schmavedon't tell me, I want to feel like I did at least a small part of this!
06:52.14WyrMand its not in their docs.
06:52.17schmaveyum
06:52.20schmavethis sounds so fun
06:52.57WyrM2cddb787df950bd7ce9ba395b0da4481  bcm4329-rom.bin
06:53.24schmaveohhh that's the whole tthing?
06:53.38WyrMyes, 256KB.
06:53.49schmaveahh touche
06:54.14schmaveI don't have super_peek_poke?
06:54.36WyrMdo you have access to brcm support?
06:54.41schmavenope haha
06:54.58schmaveI just googled brcm_patchram_plus.c
06:55.05WyrMwhich project are you working for?
06:55.10schmavemyself
06:55.11schmavehaha
06:55.17WyrMis it gpl?
06:55.18schmaveno project
06:55.24schmaveum I don't know
06:55.29schmaveso far I have written everything myself
06:55.45WyrMare you going to release your work as GPL?
06:55.52schmavei don't know yet
06:56.05schmaveI just don't want to stand on any toes
06:56.11schmavein terms of legality and copyright
06:58.39WyrMHum...
06:59.07WyrMI don't want to help if you are going to keep your code closed. :)
06:59.10schmave...why, what were you going to say haha
06:59.41schmaveunderstandable
06:59.54schmaveI really haven't decided yet
07:00.19schmave(at least I'm being honest as opposed to saying I am and then not)
07:00.33WyrMSure, thanks for being honest.
07:01.04schmaveif everyone was 1% more honest daily...
07:01.10WyrMMy employer will release this code as GPL in the future.
07:01.14schmavethe world would be a better place
07:01.23schmaveokay
07:01.35schmavethat sounds cool
07:01.59WyrMso you will have access to it at some point. I can't give you an unfair advantage if your app is commercial / closed source.
07:02.14schmaveno, I completely understand
07:02.23WyrMit would be quite a lot of $ in apple's app store. ;)
07:02.34schmavewould never be allowed into apples app store
07:02.34schmavehaha
07:02.52WyrMhehe
07:02.58schmavebasically I have a thing
07:03.10schmave(because 60 0000000 useless apps is not what I call a 'store')
07:03.14schmaveif any code I write
07:03.18schmave(for any platform)
07:04.00schmavehasn't broken a rule and hence apple (would) have grounds to refuse it app store entry after five lines
07:04.13schmaveI have to throw the idea away and stop wasting my time
07:04.13schmavehaha
07:04.55schmavemy last code project, I made public :)
07:05.15WyrMdo you have a url?
07:06.27schmaveoh, it's not much
07:07.02schmaveit was just the initialisation procedure for the bluecore6
07:07.24schmaveit was more of a "I've got to the hci inquiry stage!!!!"
07:08.23schmavecrazy... I found the bcm2044 docs on the internet
07:14.45schmavehttp://code.google.com/p/ibluetoothproject/
07:14.55schmaveif you want to check it out
07:15.09schmavealthough I'm a bit embarrassed giving my code to such a coding god
07:15.09schmavehaha
07:15.35schmave(but then again, your code is never as perfect as you'd like)
07:17.12WyrMlol.
07:17.35WyrMi was just lucky, it wasn't hard to dump it. ;)
07:24.44schmaveokay coolies
07:24.48schmaveI'm going to try it
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07:26.46WyrMschmave: Ok. Let me know if you decide to release this as GPL. :D
07:27.32schmavedon't worry -- as soon as I do, I'll be here
07:27.35schmavehaha
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09:00.48hopkinskongk
09:01.07hopkinskongi'm back
09:01.07hopkinskonganyone can help on my problem/
09:01.52hopkinskonghello?
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12:28.36schmavehcd files are just a bunch of hci commands!
12:28.45schmave...omg hc-d hc-i
12:28.55schmaveit's all falling into place!
12:29.22tmztthey had an older file that was the same thing
12:29.28tmztbth or something
12:29.34schmavebth?
12:29.43tmztsomething like that, on ce
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12:29.54schmavece?? haha what are all these acronyms?
12:33.18tmztwindows ce
12:33.31schmaveand bth is bluetooth?
12:33.32tmztmost of the devices we worked on started as windows ce devices, we ported linux to them
12:33.37tmztthat's what the channel is about
12:33.43tmztand the project (HTC Linux)
12:34.01tmztit's a similar file, binary hci commands
12:34.09schmaveahh, sounds like you are all low level hardware programmers!
12:34.26tmztnot all
12:34.29schmave(yes I re-read and got that so broadcom would have called them .bth or something)
12:34.29tmztwe always need more of those
12:34.42schmavewell I would like to think I am one haha
12:34.46tmztbut so much stuff is now linux by default (android)
12:34.49tmztsweet
12:34.52schmavehaha
12:35.03tmztonly HD2 and TP2 is somewhat still being ported
12:35.12tmztthough somebody has a kaiser :)
12:35.16schmavesorry, I'm not an android person
12:35.21schmavewhats hd2 and tp2?
12:35.21tmztthat's cool
12:35.26tmztwe aren't either :)
12:35.37tmztHTC HD2 and Touch Pro 2 (Rhodium)
12:35.43schmaveahh
12:35.44schmaveyes
12:35.56schmaveI've heard about that only because it's tres hackable
12:36.00schmavehaha
12:36.00tmztwe used the android msms kernel source to do the initial ports to msm ce devices
12:36.07schmaveahh
12:36.27schmavei think android is going to allow all our mobile hacking dreams to come true n the future
12:36.29schmavein*
12:37.37tmzthah sort of
12:37.43tmztit saved us from a locked down msm chip
12:37.51tmztand the HTC being an msm oem only
12:37.58tmzt(other than palm)
12:38.03tmztMS not msm
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12:51.21schmaveyeah
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12:51.41schmavenah basically, linux just permeates everything
12:51.53schmaveremember when you couldn't change an os on a computer
12:51.53schmaveo
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12:52.14schmavenow, you can load anything onto any desktop
12:52.56schmavebecause the os is open, you just need to get into the bios or whatever starts it and point it to your open os and bam
12:53.15schmaveI personally believe mobile/embedded systems are heading that way also
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13:53.49hopkinskonganyone still can help me?
13:54.13schmaveif it's to do with standard hci, I'm yoour man
14:03.37hopkinskong???
14:03.59schmave...what is the problem?
14:04.26hopkinskongmy problem is about the touchscreen
14:04.42schmaveoh, i work on chips haha sorry!
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14:04.52schmaveunderneath the touch screen
14:04.53hopkinskonghmm
14:04.59hopkinskongso how about EHC|I?
14:05.01hopkinskongEHCI
14:05.02schmaveis your screen broken?
14:05.06hopkinskongnooo
14:05.10schmaveehci?
14:05.17schmaveextended?
14:05.23hopkinskongtalk that ehci later
14:05.38hopkinskongthe touchscreen first
14:05.56hopkinskongthe touchscreen won't work under magldr with linuxtogo kernel
14:06.25hopkinskongbooting Ubutu
14:06.27hopkinskongubuntu
14:06.36hopkinskongbut it works in HaRET
14:07.03hopkinskongAnother problem is the EHCI
14:07.07hopkinskongits about USB
14:07.23hopkinskongi met an error
14:07.33hopkinskongwhen i compile the kernel
14:08.01schmavesorry, i'm really not qualified to answer this haha
14:08.05schmavetoo high level
14:08.07schmaveand too linuxy
14:08.23schmavesorry!
14:08.53hopkinskonglol
14:09.12hopkinskongI am working Slackware 13.1 on htc hd2
14:10.04schmavehectic
14:10.10schmavei need to get me one of those phones
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