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| 13:43.45 | bhungy_ | I'm planning to install android on an HTC Kaiser (old phone I know). Any gotchas I need to know before I start ? |
| 13:44.43 | bhungy_ | the wiki says camera and bluetooth will not function. I'm ok with that. |
| 13:45.34 | bhungy_ | I expect there are no issues at all with making calls/sms/gprs ? |
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| 14:25.50 | arrrghhh | bhungy, i don't think there's any Kaiser experts left in hurrr |
| 14:26.00 | arrrghhh | if there are, they usually don't say much :P |
| 14:26.35 | bhungy | I guess I should get a newer phone if I want to try Android ? |
| 14:26.42 | arrrghhh | not necessairly |
| 14:26.49 | arrrghhh | just won't be the best experience of Android |
| 14:27.04 | bhungy | hmm |
| 14:27.04 | arrrghhh | so long as you're prepared for that, should be fine. |
| 14:28.59 | arrrghhh | but i know nothing about the Kaiser and what state their Android port is in, sorry. |
| 14:29.16 | arrrghhh | i think the Vogue was pretty well supported. Obviously the HD2 got pretty good Android support. |
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| 14:32.30 | arrrghhh | i have a RHOD, we're working on Android support. if emwe would hurry up... |
| 14:32.32 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 14:33.21 | emwe | you gonna go fix gb gps then? :P |
| 14:33.36 | arrrghhh | hehe. |
| 14:33.41 | arrrghhh | is that the only blocker in GB? |
| 14:33.52 | arrrghhh | there's other things. i guess that one is just the most catastropic :P |
| 14:35.17 | emwe | exactly. |
| 14:40.18 | smiley- | what more is it? |
| 14:40.26 | smiley- | gps is the only thing I have found |
| 14:42.34 | emwe | then fine ;) |
| 14:42.54 | emwe | there's some FRX07 patches which should make it to gb as well. |
| 14:43.10 | smiley- | but I'm not the only GB-user ;) |
| 14:43.25 | emwe | use it all day. |
| 14:43.37 | smiley- | battery usage in spare parts crashes I think |
| 14:43.43 | smiley- | and Terminal in dev tools |
| 14:45.56 | emwe | yap. hm. always use the settings batt usage info. better. |
| 14:48.11 | arrrghhh | smiley-, there's no terminal in the dev tools apk for some reason |
| 14:48.20 | arrrghhh | it was only present in the dev tools that came with the engineering builds. |
| 14:48.53 | smiley- | ah |
| 14:49.03 | smiley- | might explain the classdefnotfound exception :) |
| 14:49.07 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 14:49.10 | arrrghhh | ConnectBot |
| 14:49.19 | arrrghhh | also, there's an issue with GB in relation to data cxn. |
| 14:49.23 | smiley- | yeah |
| 14:49.36 | arrrghhh | it fails pretty consistently on CDMA. on GSM it seems more erratic, and less consistent. |
| 14:49.51 | arrrghhh | still fails at random tho |
| 14:50.06 | arrrghhh | and textures in neocore are f-ed up, but games seem to be OK from what i've been told. |
| 14:50.17 | emwe | one thing at a time. |
| 14:50.27 | arrrghhh | no i know |
| 14:50.35 | arrrghhh | i'm just listing all the things that are broken compared to FroYo :P |
| 14:50.39 | smiley- | yeah.. I did run neocore and got very high score.. until I did look at youtube and saw how it should look like ;) |
| 14:50.46 | arrrghhh | lol, emwe you must fix all these today. |
| 14:51.02 | arrrghhh | smiley-, never ran FroYo? |
| 14:51.12 | smiley- | not very much |
| 14:51.16 | arrrghhh | works fine there |
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| 15:26.21 | [acl] | who der |
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| 15:55.56 | arrrghhh | nobody |
| 15:58.39 | [acl] | arrrghhh: ghost town lately |
| 15:58.44 | arrrghhh | indeed |
| 15:59.07 | arrrghhh | jonpry was a wildman on .39, and he kinda hit a wall with it seemingly. fixed a lot up, that's for sure. |
| 15:59.38 | [acl] | arrrghhh: jonpry is an animal.. no doubt about it. |
| 16:00.24 | arrrghhh | he certainly cranked it out |
| 16:00.30 | arrrghhh | not sure where wistilt2's been lately... |
| 16:00.33 | arrrghhh | ~seen wistilt2 |
| 16:00.44 | apt | wistilt2 <~wisgreg@wireless251.wirelesstcp.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 22d 15h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'testing time later if i get home early enough. catch you later.'. |
| 16:00.50 | arrrghhh | almost a month now :( |
| 16:00.58 | [acl] | must be vacation time. |
| 16:01.15 | arrrghhh | note to self - own your own company :D |
| 16:01.20 | [acl] | lol |
| 16:01.54 | [acl] | charge a buck for xdandroid and support more devices.. i say that could bring in a pretty penny |
| 16:02.09 | arrrghhh | heh |
| 16:02.18 | arrrghhh | we already support too many damned devices |
| 16:02.43 | [acl] | vs cyanogen ? no way.. |
| 16:03.03 | [acl] | more than average yeah but not a ceiling by any means |
| 16:04.21 | [acl] | holy shit |
| 16:04.30 | [acl] | rom manager is $5 and change |
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| 16:04.48 | arrrghhh | damn |
| 16:04.48 | [acl] | dang those guys must be swiming in cash |
| 16:04.51 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 16:05.15 | [acl] | i should charge tiad for lk |
| 16:05.20 | [acl] | :-p |
| 16:05.33 | [acl] | then pay some tributes to Alex |
| 16:07.17 | arrrghhh | bwhahahaha |
| 16:07.19 | arrrghhh | good luck with that |
| 16:07.53 | [acl] | i wanna reach wistilt status |
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| 16:19.26 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: sup dood.. did you think of a way we can get rich yet? |
| 16:19.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: sue tiad? |
| 16:19.49 | [acl] | ehh.. |
| 16:19.54 | [acl] | not enough money |
| 16:20.11 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: how are exams going |
| 16:20.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: damn xdandroid. we need to finish it |
| 16:20.38 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: exams are over but i'm having 2 weeks of practice writing unit tests for some crappy sw |
| 16:21.01 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: ahh ic.. well pull xdandroid code and lets get cracking. not sure what needs work tho |
| 16:21.13 | [acl] | gps apparently for GB |
| 16:21.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: at the very least i want to port tiwlan to 35 and fix sound on nand but I'm distracted by the tegra poop |
| 16:21.46 | [acl] | tegra is too attractive huh |
| 16:21.46 | [acl] | lol |
| 16:22.06 | [acl] | how is your sound not working yet.. jebus.. |
| 16:22.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: ain't it cool? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlGHZ5VTAr8 |
| 16:22.51 | [acl] | yeah.. awesome |
| 16:24.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: btw on tegra i just used wifi power gpio as sdhc power gpio, compiled staging bcm4329 driver and it worked even without irqs.. only had to take nvram from android. |
| 16:24.30 | [acl] | interesting |
| 16:24.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | so on nand we have no sound |
| 16:25.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | do those tiad guys have? |
| 16:25.10 | [acl] | we as in kovsky? |
| 16:25.17 | [acl] | blackstone? |
| 16:25.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: yeah, we as kovsky 35. didn't test other combinations |
| 16:25.57 | [acl] | not sure if they have sound or not. I didnt bother to read |
| 16:26.50 | [acl] | i highly doubt you can trust the user for this. i dont think anyone there compiled their own kernel. |
| 16:27.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | i wonder how tiad managed to get lk poop. maybe he's not a bad guy, just over ambitious? |
| 16:27.34 | [acl] | he using my copy |
| 16:27.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | for black? |
| 16:28.08 | [acl] | that i dont know. last i heard black can boot on nand using tinboot |
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| 16:28.49 | [acl] | if they managed to get the nand partition offsets for black, then i dont see why they cant use the kov stuff for black. |
| 16:29.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: actually black and kovs have the same hw and panel so it should work |
| 16:29.39 | [acl] | well there you go |
| 16:30.44 | [acl] | besides.. i dont know any other dev who does work for kov.. ur the only one bro |
| 16:30.45 | [acl] | lol |
| 16:30.58 | [acl] | like the lone wolf |
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| 16:32.38 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: sounds motivating. when i finish rewriting crap for iconia and play with erlang a bit, i'll surely get back to msm. I think we need to push acoustic, it's been like 4 months since we tested it and looks like it will never hit the tree |
| 16:33.17 | [acl] | isnt jonpry already using it for his .39 tests |
| 16:33.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | dunno |
| 16:33.32 | [acl] | arrrghhh; you know ? |
| 16:33.49 | arrrghhh | ohgod. reading time |
| 16:34.03 | arrrghhh | oh yea .39 has the new acoustic code |
| 16:37.01 | arrrghhh | has anyone talked to jb lately? |
| 16:37.08 | arrrghhh | i want to know what state his stuff is in. |
| 16:37.10 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: i was gonna ask you about ts calibration. What are you plans for it ? you gonna bother reading off nand for the winmo values ? |
| 16:37.37 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: dunno. i feel fine with hardcoded ones |
| 16:37.54 | arrrghhh | crap |
| 16:37.58 | arrrghhh | server rackin time, bbl |
| 16:39.23 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: i was gonna read nand for it, but it doesnt seem like its worth it. Tattoo doesnt seem to use the atags to pass the values. So i may go that route as well |
| 16:39.52 | [acl] | for haret its worth it |
| 16:40.00 | [acl] | easy enough to do via rootfs |
| 16:40.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: anyway android doesn't need precise calibration.. it's not like winmo with its 3mm scrollbars |
| 16:41.14 | [acl] | hmm .. haha i guess in that way you are right |
| 16:41.32 | Alex[sp3dev] | that's how hindu coding starts |
| 16:41.37 | [acl] | lol |
| 16:41.40 | [acl] | LOL |
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| 16:45.23 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: seen cotulla online lately? guy has been MIA |
| 16:46.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: he's online in icq |
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| 16:54.46 | GNUtoo | ah? |
| 16:54.52 | GNUtoo | can you ask him about the alsa driver? |
| 16:55.00 | GNUtoo | even if he doesn't finish it |
| 16:55.06 | GNUtoo | can he at least pubilsh it |
| 16:55.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | i think he's busy because otherwise he would be chatting here |
| 16:55.22 | GNUtoo | because we can't wait more |
| 16:55.31 | GNUtoo | we have 3 solutions |
| 16:55.35 | GNUtoo | 2 userspace solutions |
| 16:55.38 | GNUtoo | and re-do his work |
| 16:56.02 | [acl] | sounds like its time for some executive decisions |
| 16:56.18 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 16:56.31 | [acl] | ignore me.. im half awake. |
| 16:56.46 | GNUtoo | ok |
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| 16:57.11 | GNUtoo | Alex[sp3dev], hi, did you see my previous messages? |
| 16:58.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | GNUtoo: ok, i'll talk to him later |
| 16:58.13 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
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| 16:59.36 | [acl] | bzo: shit you are alive |
| 16:59.47 | bzo | sup dude |
| 16:59.51 | [acl] | bzo: i was about to ask dzo for a hail sample so we can clone you |
| 16:59.55 | [acl] | *hair |
| 17:00.10 | bzo | heh, good luck finding dzo |
| 17:00.14 | bzo | he hasn't been here in years |
| 17:00.25 | GNUtoo | ah, I tought clone accepted only the following arguements |
| 17:00.35 | [acl] | bzo: arrgg managed to hunt him down once |
| 17:00.53 | bzo | yeah, I think you can pm him on xda or something |
| 17:00.56 | GNUtoo | int (*fn)(void *), void *child_stack, int flags, void *arg, ... /* pid_t *ptid, struct user_desc *tls, pid_t *ctid */ |
| 17:02.25 | bzo | [acl]: so you caught up with girls and ready to get some crap done? :p |
| 17:02.53 | [acl] | bzo: nahh man i still get hounded for booty calls.. but work is killing me |
| 17:03.03 | [acl] | need a way to make some extra cash.. |
| 17:03.20 | bzo | sounds like a bad combo - lots of work and not enough cash |
| 17:03.42 | [acl] | yeah.. |
| 17:04.41 | [acl] | bzo: what you been up to ? im sure you got a killer excuse |
| 17:05.01 | bzo | meh, same as you, just busy with work |
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| 20:46.48 | yelpo | can someone help me understand how obtaining root within android is helpful for flashing your own boot/recovery images (or entire rom?) |
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| 20:48.05 | yelpo | among all the (mis)information out there, seems you can't flash anything within android anyways (must reboot into recovery, etc.) |
| 20:48.25 | Willd | Well, you can |
| 20:48.34 | Willd | Though, it requires root :) |
| 20:48.47 | yelpo | well, I've obtained root, yet my flash attempts are met with invalid permission errors |
| 20:48.56 | yelpo | and the google answers say to do it from within recovery |
| 20:49.10 | Willd | What are you trying to do? |
| 20:49.28 | yelpo | just replace the boot image with my own compiled kernel |
| 20:49.41 | Willd | How are you trying to flash it? |
| 20:50.34 | yelpo | executing flash_image on the phone itself (as root) |
| 20:50.50 | Willd | flash_image boot /path/to/boot.img |
| 20:50.52 | Willd | Right? |
| 20:51.05 | yelpo | of course |
| 20:51.14 | Willd | What device are you on? |
| 20:51.32 | yelpo | droid 1 |
| 20:52.23 | Willd | Can't help you there.. |
| 20:52.43 | yelpo | hmmm, it's a per-phone thing? I thought Android was responsible for setting these permissions |
| 20:53.00 | arrrghhh | droid 1, as in milestone? |
| 20:53.03 | Willd | Well, what kind of permission errors? |
| 20:53.26 | Willd | And where did you get the flash_image binary from? |
| 20:53.32 | yelpo | arrrghhh yea think they're related |
| 20:53.35 | arrrghhh | yelpo, you'll get more help in a moto-specfic room methinks. |
| 20:53.40 | arrrghhh | no clue, i don't do moto :P |
| 20:53.56 | arrrghhh | #xda-devs or #android would probably be a better bet. not sure if there's a milestone specific room... |
| 20:54.03 | yelpo | damn ok |
| 20:54.49 | arrrghhh | well c'mon man, this is #htc-linux. |
| 20:54.59 | arrrghhh | Willd doesn't even have an HTC device, the traitor. |
| 20:55.02 | Willd | arrrghhh: <3 |
| 20:55.08 | arrrghhh | not that we won't help |
| 20:55.13 | arrrghhh | just that you might get better help elsewhere :P |
| 20:55.18 | Willd | arrrghhh: I do have a Desire HD, you know :p |
| 20:55.21 | arrrghhh | i'm no help, so i'll just shut up now :P |
| 20:55.22 | yelpo | nah it makes sense, sorry to bother :) |
| 20:55.26 | arrrghhh | Willd, orly? well you're ok then. |
| 20:55.59 | yelpo | Willd: to old question: just "error writing boot: Permission denied" |
| 20:56.16 | Willd | yelpo: Sounds like your bootloader is locked then :) |
| 20:56.38 | Willd | Look at that first, if that won't do it, find a device specific forum :) |
| 20:56.56 | yelpo | that's what I don't understand - the bootloader should just be verifying the ROM before loading it |
| 20:57.03 | yelpo | how is he still in the picture at this point, enforcing rules? |
| 20:58.20 | Willd | Beyond me :( |
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| 22:08.43 | [acl] | hoe |
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| 23:52.02 | jonpry | [acl], ping |
| 23:56.48 | bzo | hi jonpry |
| 23:57.36 | jonpry | hi bzo |
| 23:57.59 | bzo | any more exciting .39/3.0 progress? |
| 23:58.14 | jonpry | haven't worked on it in a bit |
| 23:58.39 | jonpry | not sure what else there is to do other than add support for more devices |
| 23:59.01 | bzo | that's a pretty good place to be |
| 23:59.06 | bzo | tested at all for the raph/diam? |
| 23:59.12 | jonpry | i'm a few rc's behind on 3.0 |
| 23:59.23 | jonpry | no haven't made a board file for either |
| 23:59.55 | bzo | so only rhod? |