00:00.03 | arrrghhh | i get an extra 8mb and my bill is $20 instead of $60 |
00:00.06 | arrrghhh | yea, 50 and 105. |
00:00.33 | arrrghhh | turns out it was some marketing company, it wasn't comcast. the rep *claimed* they were from comcast. |
00:00.44 | arrrghhh | i have it all recorded, i'm calling them to talk them about it. |
00:01.08 | arrrghhh | i've been happy with my service, it's never dropped to my knowledge and the speed is always there. but this dude called me and had some ridiuclous offer. |
00:01.15 | arrrghhh | ridiculous* |
00:03.30 | arrrghhh | it did sound way too good to be true, but the guy on the phone was pretty convinced. i talked to him for almost 30 minutes, i wanted to make damn sure it was legit. i guess i didn't do a good enough job @ that... |
00:09.39 | arrrghhh | hrm. the supervisor was very disturbed and is sending this over to their security dept. |
00:10.02 | arrrghhh | gonna send 'em the recording. Google Voice ftw! Just wish I had recorded the full convo... |
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00:40.42 | arrrghhh | bleh. i'm going to record all calls from comcast from now on. ridiculous. |
00:42.36 | jonpry2 | hey guys grab dc5c8f5 when it posts. has some small chance of being able to recover from a channel failure. bbl |
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01:19.08 | jonpry2 | arrrghhh, you try out that new kernel? |
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01:29.13 | arrrghhh | not yet... and gf's bugging me to go out to dinner. hooray. |
01:30.15 | arrrghhh | g2g, i'll hopefully have some time to test later ;) |
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02:13.19 | jonpry2 | rpierce99 can you recreate the crash? |
02:13.54 | rpierce99 | i was able to the last time i tried |
02:14.43 | jonpry2 | there is a new 39 kernel on autobuild that might fix it |
02:25.35 | rpierce99 | would it log anything if your fix worked, or do i just play with it for hours until i give up |
02:28.42 | rpierce99 | well last time i booted, went to google images, looked at 2 random pictures of cars, and it crashed, so far i've gone through about 10x as many pages |
02:30.29 | jonpry2 | rpierce99, maybe. if you can get a induced in dmesg those probably used to be fatal |
02:33.50 | rpierce99 | 12 induced messages and going strong |
02:37.07 | jonpry2 | sounds promising |
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02:41.56 | jonpry2 | rpierce99, you need a faster data connection to blow it up :p |
02:42.16 | rpierce99 | got one i can borrow |
02:43.03 | jonpry2 | no. only 9600bps |
02:43.57 | rpierce99 | well dude i can't kill it |
02:44.18 | jonpry2 | great. i think this is a step in the right direction |
02:48.35 | jonpry2 | rpierce99, can you download something big? new code might kill connections |
02:49.23 | rpierce99 | hm, i tried to download frx06 the other day and android kills downloads of unknown file types |
02:49.30 | rpierce99 | so i need to find something big to download |
02:50.22 | jonpry2 | linux for android |
02:50.58 | rpierce99 | hm, i bet i could wget something from terminal |
02:53.28 | jonpry2 | sounds promising |
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03:01.49 | WisTilt2 | jonpry, i see another commit. that one looks interesting, any improvement or has anyone tried it yet? |
03:02.06 | rpierce99 | i can't crash it |
03:02.19 | jonpry2 | rpierce99 he also reported an induce and recovery |
03:02.58 | WisTilt2 | sounds like you squashed it maybe |
03:03.36 | WisTilt2 | i havent tried any kernel since the last one on 6/7. guess ill give this one a try and see how it does on the ole 300 |
03:03.37 | jonpry2 | WisTilt2, realistically we will probably not get very far with this. like qcom had to write rmnet amss because this smd stuff is not good on linux |
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03:05.43 | WisTilt2 | sounds like emulation time or can we run rmnet amss from some other device that it works on or is there such a thing |
03:06.17 | jonpry2 | i'm not sure that any android amss will run on rhod |
03:06.33 | jonpry2 | bravo/leo are basically identical hardware |
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03:08.40 | WisTilt2 | nothing in docs is going to help much? |
03:10.05 | jonpry2 | don't think so |
03:10.40 | jonpry2 | it would be easy to write a char driver that doesn't need to allocate memory for every stupid packet |
03:10.51 | jonpry2 | but pppd would need serious work |
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03:34.25 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: is this smd_tty.c directly from the original .39 with just your mods? |
03:35.07 | jonpry2 | i switched to 27 smd_tty yesterday |
03:35.23 | WisTilt2 | line 99 was in .27? |
03:37.07 | jonpry2 | nah i did that |
03:37.17 | jonpry2 | thats a patch from earlier today. i |
03:37.25 | jonpry2 | 'm calling it the backer offer |
03:38.23 | jonpry2 | i probably committed that along with 27 as one big blob because it was the first time anything worked better than 39 |
03:39.58 | WisTilt2 | we've had this discussion before but you're thinking HZ is 100 or 1000? |
03:40.38 | jonpry2 | i did everything from 83-105 and whatever else was needed to make that work |
03:40.42 | jonpry2 | HZ is 100 |
03:41.53 | WisTilt2 | i know im beating a dead horse but i can almost guarantee that line HZ/50 is going to yield 20ms and wakelock at line 115 will be 1/2second. |
03:42.14 | WisTilt2 | i can point to you to why i know this to be true... |
03:42.32 | jonpry2 | yeah thats the desired effect |
03:43.30 | WisTilt2 | 20ms is what you think it will yield also? |
03:43.38 | jonpry2 | yep |
03:43.44 | WisTilt2 | then HZ=1000 not 100 |
03:43.53 | WisTilt2 | 100/50 != 20 |
03:44.14 | jonpry2 | 100/50 = 2 jiffies. 1 jiffy @ 100HZ = 10ms, so 20ms |
03:44.56 | jonpry2 | thats the whole point of HZ. no matter what HZ is, HZ/50 will be 20ms |
03:45.43 | WisTilt2 | ok, jiffies thank you. HZ =1000 for calculation purposes is easier in my brain i guess |
03:46.26 | WisTilt2 | i got stuck on that back in the kbd backlight timeout HZ * 10 for 10 seconds so assumed HZ=1000ms, which is does in those terms. |
03:46.27 | jonpry2 | :) |
03:46.53 | WisTilt2 | now back to that wakelock. is 1/2second enough right there? |
03:47.25 | jonpry2 | thats basically what is used for the interrupt wakelock bumping throughout the code |
03:47.57 | jonpry2 | idea is that whatever the effect of the interrupt was will have time to propagate to userland in .5 seconds |
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03:48.38 | jonpry2 | i haven't noticed the phone passing out to be a problem atm |
03:49.52 | WisTilt2 | i think pppd being redone is whats going to have to happen, at least on wince devices. rmnet may be more stable but is it going to be as fast? |
03:50.32 | jonpry2 | its hella fast |
03:50.42 | jonpry2 | pppd is all bs |
03:51.00 | jonpry2 | er smd is bs |
03:52.08 | jonpry2 | i just don't see patching amss as a feasible solution |
03:52.19 | WisTilt2 | well i need to see what we're running, of course its not a wince device, or native android for that matter so no telling what we're doing. |
03:54.04 | jonpry2 | can you send me your wifi-nvram? i may have done something bad |
03:54.30 | WisTilt2 | you wipe it? |
03:55.07 | jonpry2 | nah i uploaded garbage to the chip. and then stuff happened and overwrote my .txt with the garbage |
03:56.22 | jonpry2 | for that matter there is new kernel and modules up with new bcm4329 driver |
03:56.39 | jonpry2 | give it a whirl if you would like |
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03:59.37 | WisTilt2 | i have no usb0 now... phone detected usb and is charging |
04:00.23 | WisTilt2 | thats not with your latest, still on the 6/7 one |
04:00.37 | jonpry2 | maybe plugged to early |
04:01.23 | WisTilt2 | and now phone isnt sleeping. let me put the new kernel on it |
04:04.09 | rpierce99 | ruh roh, it locked up |
04:04.43 | jonpry2 | still usb working? |
04:05.26 | rpierce99 | trying get usb0 up |
04:09.03 | rpierce99 | adb says the device is offline |
04:13.07 | jonpry2 | telnet 192.168.20.1 |
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04:15.15 | WisTilt2 | jonpry you just need the wifi-nvram.txt file? |
04:15.40 | jonpry2 | WisTilt2, did i mention that ramconsole may not be working on cdma |
04:15.48 | jonpry2 | yeah just the nvram |
04:16.00 | WisTilt2 | ok ill email it shortly. |
04:16.11 | jonpry2 | rpierce99, sounds broken |
04:16.19 | WisTilt2 | no, did i mention that cdma devices should be banned |
04:16.51 | arrrghhh | :( |
04:16.57 | jonpry2 | they basically are |
04:17.02 | arrrghhh | lol |
04:17.20 | jonpry2 | takes the user for head exploding ride |
04:17.24 | WisTilt2 | no offense arrrghhh or rpierce99. they are just a pita |
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04:17.29 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, i've noticed. |
04:18.08 | jonpry2 | arrrghhh, you gotta blow this thing up |
04:18.17 | arrrghhh | autobuild? |
04:18.25 | jonpry2 | yeah |
04:18.29 | arrrghhh | k |
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04:19.21 | WisTilt2 | jonpry my imagination but this last kernel is running noticeably faster on my 300 once it settled down. fb is snappy like we first had. data and everything came right up. |
04:19.51 | WisTilt2 | after i send you this file ill run it though some tests |
04:20.28 | jonpry2 | fastest kernel evre |
04:20.53 | jonpry2 | i think this is some magic sauce: echo 8 8 > /proc/sys/vm/lowmem_reserve_ratio |
04:20.54 | jonpry2 | echo 8192 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes |
04:20.59 | WisTilt2 | the previous few seemed to be slower like scaling was in low mode but it wasnt. this time its way faster |
04:21.22 | jonpry2 | all seem about the same to me |
04:21.41 | WisTilt2 | the 210 only know 1 speed:) |
04:22.10 | WisTilt2 | wifi-nvram.txt only 466 bytes is that right? |
04:22.25 | arrrghhh | so did you two hear what .39 has spurred already? |
04:22.26 | jonpry2 | not sure. mine is all messed up |
04:22.54 | jonpry2 | do tell |
04:23.01 | arrrghhh | faked multitouch support |
04:23.09 | jonpry2 | who did it? |
04:23.11 | arrrghhh | mankineko or whatever enabled the zoombar |
04:23.21 | jonpry2 | hells yeah |
04:23.23 | arrrghhh | so it works as multitouch points, there's a vid of it in action 1 sec |
04:23.35 | jonpry2 | where d patch? |
04:23.38 | arrrghhh | ha |
04:23.43 | arrrghhh | he wanted to test it, i'll bug him |
04:23.50 | arrrghhh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWUzPveU14 |
04:24.43 | WisTilt2 | jonpry there ya go |
04:24.43 | jonpry2 | pretty clever |
04:24.50 | jonpry2 | thx |
04:24.58 | arrrghhh | jonpry2, he's sending the patch via ML |
04:25.08 | WisTilt2 | dont sell my wifi mac addy now ok? |
04:25.18 | jonpry2 | worth big money? |
04:25.21 | arrrghhh | lol |
04:25.38 | WisTilt2 | never know it might be that special one everyones been looking to unlock all kinds of things |
04:26.51 | WisTilt2 | so autobuild is working good? you've done a couple commits since i left the office and guess they are building without crashing |
04:27.18 | jonpry2 | yeah so far so good |
04:27.28 | jonpry2 | 10 minute wait is a bit annoying |
04:27.37 | arrrghhh | damnit i tried to restore a cisco server with my sd card today |
04:27.41 | rpierce99 | here's the ramconsole output from that freeze, it wraps around so highest timestamp is somewhere in the middle http://pastebin.com/6EJwVKeu |
04:27.41 | arrrghhh | and only got part of my crap back on... |
04:28.10 | WisTilt2 | 10min? you must have committed right after the cron, 5min intervals then build and copy to web server. |
04:28.27 | rpierce99 | yeah that's right, i just pulled crap with haretconsole, i feel so l33t, even though i just copy/pasted jonpry's steps, haha |
04:28.47 | WisTilt2 | i can change cron to 1min i guess. just didnt want to hammer gitorious that often with all that https stuff and pulling |
04:29.08 | jonpry2 | nice rpierce99 |
04:29.23 | WisTilt2 | so whats with cdma no ramconsole? |
04:29.57 | jonpry2 | apparently nothing |
04:30.33 | jonpry2 | WisTilt2, you see that thing? its caught in sleep wake cycle of madness |
04:30.35 | WisTilt2 | man this kernel is mucho faster |
04:30.59 | arrrghhh | lol |
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04:31.14 | WisTilt2 | you talking the pastebin or the youtube? wasnt paying attention |
04:31.20 | arrrghhh | ha |
04:31.23 | arrrghhh | pastebin |
04:32.16 | WisTilt2 | thats interesting |
04:32.32 | jonpry2 | maybe not related to smd |
04:32.42 | WisTilt2 | whats all the msm_irq_exit_sleep <SM NO INT_INFO> ? never seen that ever |
04:32.46 | jonpry2 | actually it could be |
04:33.01 | WisTilt2 | smd_ds? didnt you change that |
04:33.13 | rpierce99 | keep in mind with this log, my testing has involved installing every app on android market, so anything that can be caused by apps, probably is |
04:34.24 | jonpry2 | lol |
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04:35.48 | WisTilt2 | shouldn't wakelock be smd_data1 not smd_ds or is the cdma not on 7 now? |
04:36.14 | jonpry2 | dunno |
04:38.39 | WisTilt2 | jonpry, this is working great. i just dl'd a 70mb file off one of our servers and took 2min 15ses. in hspa mode and phone didnt slow down or do anything weird after that much data. |
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04:40.08 | jonpry2 | i'm not getting any errors with the new wifi, but no AP's either |
04:40.24 | jonpry2 | i have none so not sure that is indicative |
04:41.04 | WisTilt2 | ill try that next, running neocore now |
04:42.08 | WisTilt2 | neocore 15.9fps with sound on |
04:43.42 | jonpry2 | isn't 500kbit slow for hsdpa? |
04:43.56 | WisTilt2 | that was 4mbps |
04:44.08 | WisTilt2 | get as high as 6 at times |
04:44.35 | WisTilt2 | wifi sees my aps but no others and does not connect still. good news is plugging usb didnt lock up this time |
04:45.34 | jonpry2 | anything interesting in dmesg or logcat? |
04:46.12 | WisTilt2 | still playing and havent looked yet. this is one fast fb |
04:47.55 | jonpry2 | i got a succesful scan somehow |
04:48.43 | WisTilt2 | usb appears to be dead |
04:49.05 | WisTilt2 | charging ok but laptop not recognizing it |
04:55.00 | WisTilt2 | somethings causing wakelock after usb fail so not sleeping now. dmesg in terminal has nothing other than early_suspend: sync followed immediately by late_resume: call handlers |
04:56.16 | jonpry2 | but charge detection is working? |
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04:59.04 | WisTilt2 | yes every time i plug in/out it see it for charging, just no usb data com on either end |
04:59.34 | WisTilt2 | should i try 5078? |
05:00.51 | jonpry2 | yeah thats a good one |
05:00.56 | jonpry2 | what are you on? |
05:01.52 | WisTilt2 | ffab was that one so ill try 5078, didnt see you put it up until after i got ffab |
05:02.42 | WisTilt2 | need to setup email notification when we have a new kernel. i just happen to refresh the autobuild site before i closed browser and saw the new one |
05:03.06 | jonpry2 | the only time it scanned for me there was some kind of power related thing going on, followed by a page allocation fail |
05:03.29 | jonpry2 | maybe we need to push to the server and not use gitorious :p |
05:03.39 | jonpry2 | faster builds |
05:03.54 | jonpry2 | non broken gitwek |
05:04.11 | WisTilt2 | i still have cron at 5min |
05:04.33 | jonpry2 | without gitorious there would be no hammering to worry about |
05:04.34 | arrrghhh | bedtime, i'll catchya guys tomorrow. |
05:05.32 | WisTilt2 | i wonder how often glemson polls? |
05:08.59 | jonpry2 | i don't like packaging my own modules |
05:09.16 | jonpry2 | and haven't written a script |
05:11.34 | jonpry2 | WisTilt2, we gotta apply these mt patches |
05:11.41 | WisTilt2 | heres what is happening.. plug in usb 1st time and works fine, telnet etc. pull usb and plug back in it breaks but charging still works. from then on device doesnt ever sleep |
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05:12.15 | jonpry2 | i don't have that problem :p |
05:13.20 | WisTilt2 | thought it was my cable but does same thing on another one. got dmesg on 1st plug but does not good afterwards |
05:15.55 | jonpry2 | phy reset is disabled |
05:16.08 | jonpry2 | might want to give that a try |
05:18.43 | jonpry2 | WisTilt2, pushed a301 |
05:19.54 | WisTilt2 | k. i just tried same thing with charger cable and it didnt prevent sleep. will try a301 now |
05:21.06 | WisTilt2 | brb while waiting for the autobuild |
05:34.21 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: that fixed it. plug/unplug 5-6 times np. whatever other change you did sure fixed the usb delay and it spews dmesg instantly. |
05:38.47 | WisTilt2 | no msgs about wifi during scan or connect, only the initial dmsg when i turned it on |
05:40.22 | WisTilt2 | im hitting the sack. be on tomorrow at office all day so catch you then. we'll see how this survives overnight. good job! |
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07:11.09 | bikerer | pokes dcordes |
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09:36.48 | bikerer | whoohoo, got the msm-qsd driver compiled |
09:43.15 | phh | ? |
09:43.57 | bikerer | https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/xwin/ |
09:44.08 | phh | ok, xorg driver |
09:44.48 | phh | no change for a year -_-' |
09:44.50 | bikerer | yep, been struggling with it fo ra while |
09:45.46 | bikerer | hm, damn i was sure i had 1.3.0 somewhere |
09:45.57 | bikerer | meego has some chages but they might be megooped |
09:46.30 | bikerer | oh well i dont care as long as i can get this working, seems to be wanting to work though |
09:46.50 | bikerer | xorg complains about hte screen mode , only 16 and 24 apparently and its not obeying |
09:58.28 | bikerer | (EE) msm(0): The driver can only support 16bpp and 24bpp output |
09:58.28 | bikerer | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
09:58.45 | bikerer | ugh , my xorg.conf is not playing ball |
10:08.28 | phh | what's the depth of your fb ? |
10:09.19 | bikerer | tried 16 and 24, i must have malconfigured |
10:13.04 | bikerer | http://www.sendspace.com/file/ykrb1f theres the driver if anybody's interested |
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10:23.19 | bikerer | ooh! i nearly got it ! (EE) msm(0): DRI2: Unable to open DRM |
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15:33.22 | WisTilt2 | hey arrrghhh: i just checked my bind mount to hyc's ril and it's binding correctly. dont remember if that was not working for you or not? |
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15:34.33 | arrrghhh | it wasn't... |
15:34.42 | arrrghhh | how could that be a CDMA-only issue. |
15:34.56 | arrrghhh | i had another RHOD400 user say the same thing |
15:35.06 | arrrghhh | and IIRC it happened on my tester to, lemme verify. |
15:35.11 | WisTilt2 | damn these cdma devices:) |
15:37.03 | arrrghhh | seriously! |
15:37.06 | arrrghhh | bastard children. |
15:41.22 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: i changed cron to every minute on autobuild. also, we have some kind of meltdown going on possibly out of memory. this morning my phone had orange light on, battery down to 7% and crawling but not locked up and still functional in slow motion. |
15:41.32 | rpierce99 | don't know why you folks are bind mounting hycs ril, it's build into the newest autobuild rootfs |
15:41.52 | WisTilt2 | does that rootfs have F22's mapping? |
15:41.58 | arrrghhh | no |
15:41.59 | rpierce99 | ah, well no there's that |
15:42.03 | arrrghhh | and rpierce99 that's the "old" RIL |
15:42.17 | arrrghhh | ril1 if you will. |
15:42.19 | rpierce99 | oh not ril2 |
15:42.21 | arrrghhh | yea |
15:42.26 | WisTilt2 | that's why i still do it this way:) cant live without his mapping now |
15:42.33 | arrrghhh | heh +1 |
15:42.38 | arrrghhh | he really needs to commit that... |
15:42.56 | WisTilt2 | im still using hyc's 4/14 ril also, which is very stable |
15:44.35 | arrrghhh | yea i don't think he's changed/added a lot since then. |
15:45.06 | arrrghhh | GlemSom, how frequently does the autobuild check for new code on GIT? |
15:48.23 | WisTilt2 | rpierce99: how did your phone do with jonpry's last change and did you get to run it overnight? |
15:48.57 | rpierce99 | i didn't try, that build has way too many apps, and none of my stuff (work email, etc) so i boot it to test and boot back when i'm done |
15:49.06 | rpierce99 | i couldn't get it to crash though |
15:49.56 | WisTilt2 | does it run pretty fast after it settles down for a few mins after boot? |
15:50.01 | rpierce99 | although i'm sure i didn't boot his LAST change, i know after fixing the freeze I think he was working on wifi or something |
15:50.24 | rpierce99 | seems there's a new commit every 10 minutes, haha |
15:50.33 | arrrghhh | hehe |
15:50.36 | arrrghhh | autobuild FTW |
15:50.45 | rpierce99 | i didn't have problems with the speed, but I also wasn't blown away by the speed |
15:52.02 | WisTilt2 | on my 300 it is significantly faster in all respects compared to .27 - i booted up .27 autobuild and could see a noticeable difference in fb and just navigation to menus and apps. |
15:52.50 | jonpry2 | WisTilt2, i have been using the magic kernel vm parameters |
15:52.52 | WisTilt2 | so this is a gsm happy kernel i guess at this point |
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15:53.21 | WisTilt2 | jonpry what is that? |
15:54.04 | jonpry2 | echo 8 8 > /proc/sys/vm/lowmem_reserve_ratio |
15:54.17 | jonpry2 | echo 8192 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes |
15:54.33 | rpierce99 | arrrghhh noticed speed improvements also. It might be because the first time i booted my goal was to kill it and I started downloading random apps |
15:54.42 | arrrghhh | lol |
15:54.56 | arrrghhh | booting the newest from autobuild on my tester now |
15:55.03 | arrrghhh | wanting to see if user.conf is getting processed or not. |
15:55.11 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: i saw you mention that last night but didnt try it. ill try that and see if i get the meltdown again |
15:55.15 | jonpry2 | i think we need ramzswap |
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15:55.32 | WisTilt2 | can you take a look at something in smd_tty.c? not clear on something |
15:56.04 | WisTilt2 | lines 282-289. shouldn't we only register the single tty that's being used? |
15:57.30 | jonpry2 | that basically makes the /dev entries. and we have rill tty, pppd tty, gps nmea, and dunno what the other one is |
15:57.34 | jonpry2 | userland rpc probably |
15:57.46 | jonpry2 | gtg |
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16:11.26 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, confirmed on my RHOD400 tester. user.conf either outright isn't being processed, or some such thing. I have that command to delete all the .rec files, and they're not being deleted. |
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16:12.20 | arrrghhh | jonpry, wb |
16:12.25 | WisTilt2 | weird. works with same setup and different kernel though? |
16:12.32 | arrrghhh | yup |
16:12.39 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, literally if i change the kernel it works again. nothing else. |
16:13.14 | arrrghhh | i'll go back to .27 on my tester here to doublecheck, but that's how it worked on my main phone. |
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16:21.54 | GlemSom | arrrghhh, It check's git every 600th second |
16:24.17 | arrrghhh | ok |
16:24.19 | arrrghhh | so just over 5 mins |
16:24.25 | arrrghhh | er no |
16:24.26 | arrrghhh | 10 mins |
16:24.31 | GlemSom | :) |
16:24.36 | arrrghhh | i'm good at math. |
16:24.42 | GlemSom | hehe |
16:24.43 | arrrghhh | :P |
16:24.44 | arrrghhh | thx |
16:24.52 | GlemSom | Yeah, it's REALLY hard to device 600 by 60... ! ;) |
16:24.57 | arrrghhh | i noes. |
16:24.59 | arrrghhh | lol |
16:25.04 | arrrghhh | wasn't thinkin thar. |
16:25.09 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, so there's your answer. |
16:25.31 | arrrghhh | and i did confirm on my tester, same behavior on swapping kernels. user.conf commands magically start working again. |
16:25.33 | WisTilt2 | i changed it to 1 min so maybe 5 min wasn't all that bad. |
16:30.09 | rpierce99 | arrrghhh: is there something higher in your user.conf that might be crapping out on the kernel? |
16:30.38 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, with how fast you guys change things, every 60 sec might be a good thing :P |
16:31.08 | WisTilt2 | true |
16:31.23 | arrrghhh | rpierce99, perhaps... it craps out in .39 but not .27 |
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16:37.40 | arrrghhh | i'll double-check, but i do recall seeing the line "Using /sdcard/etc/conf/froyo.user.conf" when booting .39 |
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16:38.19 | arrrghhh | so it's not like the user.conf isn't getting processed... i don't have swap or any of that stuff enabled, i'm just using the default user.conf from FRX06. the only things i changed were in the customcommands second. |
16:38.23 | arrrghhh | s/second/section/ |
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17:23.29 | arrrghhh | [acl], yo |
17:23.50 | [acl] | yo who is this manikineko dood ? |
17:24.04 | arrrghhh | some madman that really wanted to use the zoombar |
17:24.04 | arrrghhh | why? |
17:24.17 | arrrghhh | i guess he's been hacking at it on .27 for a while lol |
17:24.19 | [acl] | just wondering. the name dnot look familiar |
17:24.28 | arrrghhh | yea he hasn't posted to any dev lists. |
17:24.36 | arrrghhh | i've only seen him in chat and on the forums randomly. |
17:24.44 | [acl] | ok.. just making sure. |
17:24.50 | arrrghhh | he hasn't posted before to any dev lists i should say. |
17:25.07 | [acl] | ok.. ill brb |
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17:32.41 | raymonddull | that zoom bar actually does something? 0.o |
17:32.48 | arrrghhh | lol |
17:32.54 | arrrghhh | what did you think it was for? show? |
17:33.08 | raymonddull | I have no idea |
17:33.57 | arrrghhh | see this vid |
17:33.58 | arrrghhh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWUzPveU14 |
17:43.32 | raymonddull | hmm,cool |
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17:51.46 | arrrghhh | 'tis |
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17:55.58 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh, i just put the rm *.rec back in my user.conf and it didnt delete either. Looks like it is now case sensitive. changed to rm -f FSCK*.REC and deleted them fine. bind mount has always been working though so dont know why your's doesn't. |
17:56.19 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, i have both statements in there |
17:56.27 | arrrghhh | FSCK*.REC and fsck*.rec |
17:56.30 | WisTilt2 | ok then its cdma fault:) |
17:56.43 | arrrghhh | well |
17:56.49 | arrrghhh | crap... it's FSCK*.rec |
17:56.53 | arrrghhh | might be a problem.. |
17:57.19 | arrrghhh | are you bind mounting the RIL to /system/lib or /lib/froyo? |
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17:58.31 | WisTilt2 | /lib/froyo i believe |
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17:59.28 | arrrghhh | hrm. i put it in both places to be sure. i think the "new" place is going to be /system/lib. |
17:59.36 | WisTilt2 | i also did the /sys/vm changes jonpry said earlier in the user.conf and i see it changed them after booting also |
17:59.55 | arrrghhh | yea? |
18:07.34 | WisTilt2 | and confirmed again the its bind mounting hyc's ril-> |
18:07.35 | WisTilt2 | I/RILC ( 1306): RIL Daemon version: HTC Vogue Community RIL hyc 1877434 2011-04-14 14:31:04 -0700 |
18:07.44 | arrrghhh | hrm. ok. |
18:07.57 | WisTilt2 | so at least on the 300 this all still works |
18:07.57 | arrrghhh | can you pastebin your user.conf, just to ensure there isn't something different? |
18:08.07 | WisTilt2 | sure hang on |
18:08.10 | arrrghhh | thx |
18:09.58 | WisTilt2 | Exactly whats on my phone now. http://pastebin.com/wMPgCBPZ |
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18:11.10 | arrrghhh | hrm. yea looks pretty standard. i'll keep pokin around. |
18:11.53 | WisTilt2 | looks like we can set those /sys/vm values within the vm{} in user.conf also without doing the echo |
18:12.12 | arrrghhh | nice |
18:16.48 | arrrghhh | yea the using /sdcard.../froyo.user.conf statement appears. so it's definitely still hitting that file. |
18:19.26 | mes | does the builtin email client have the ability to access the contacts database so when composing an email the address doesn't have to entered by hand? |
18:19.51 | arrrghhh | mes, not the right room to ask. this room is for kernel development. |
18:20.04 | arrrghhh | but mine works just fine |
18:20.05 | mes | oops, didn't see that |
18:34.35 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, this is baffling. I got the rm *.rec crap working, but the RIL still won't mount. gonna make sure case is consistent. |
18:36.01 | arrrghhh | case all seems correct :/ |
18:38.09 | WisTilt2 | you trying to use hyc ril? is it still loading the 0.8 or whatever the orig is? |
18:39.28 | arrrghhh | yup |
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18:41.35 | arrrghhh | hrm |
18:41.45 | arrrghhh | compcache looks to be enabled on my user.conf, but disabled on yours. |
18:41.48 | arrrghhh | lemme change it. |
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18:45.48 | arrrghhh | this is odd... no service & no baseband version - don't have adb, but this seems like i'm on the stock 0.8 RIL. |
18:48.09 | arrrghhh | the rm commands are definitely getting processed - i no longer have any .rec files at the root of the SD... hrm. |
18:48.37 | WisTilt2 | frx06 standard and what rootfs? |
18:49.16 | arrrghhh | yes to FRX06. and i've tried a few, on hyc's newest RIL it seems you need his rootfs as well. |
18:49.56 | WisTilt2 | maybe its something with the newest ril setup. im still on his older one that doesnt care about what rootfs |
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18:50.04 | arrrghhh | ah |
18:50.05 | arrrghhh | hrm.. |
18:50.14 | arrrghhh | well let me verify the bind mount is even happening. |
18:50.29 | arrrghhh | perhaps it is, and the failure is for some other reason. |
18:50.35 | WisTilt2 | his rootfs might supersede those user.conf cmds dont know |
18:50.53 | arrrghhh | hrm... i doubt it. |
18:51.11 | arrrghhh | although, with his rootfs, i'm pretty sure the RIL has to go in /system/lib |
18:51.18 | arrrghhh | i tried both, didn't fix it.. |
18:51.35 | arrrghhh | so you think that's all that is different? .39 is case-sensitive? |
18:51.40 | arrrghhh | i thought linux was always case-sensitive... |
18:51.42 | rpierce99 | have you tried running those commands once android is started, see if there's an error |
18:51.52 | arrrghhh | rpierce99, the bind mount statement? no. |
18:52.03 | arrrghhh | the rm command is working tho |
18:52.06 | rpierce99 | since you know the line is executing |
18:52.12 | arrrghhh | so the user.conf is being processed, and at least somewhat correctly. |
18:52.15 | rpierce99 | exactly, so there has to be an error when doing that |
18:54.54 | arrrghhh | hrm |
18:54.59 | arrrghhh | there's no froyo directory in /lib |
18:55.48 | arrrghhh | rpierce99, poop. i can't su and the mount command needs it. |
18:56.08 | rpierce99 | you don't have to su from adb |
18:56.11 | WisTilt2 | i have one with .39 booted. maybe hyc rootfs |
18:56.21 | arrrghhh | i don't have adb in winblows. |
18:57.32 | arrrghhh | hrm |
18:57.54 | arrrghhh | ls -la doesn't show the bind mount, but based on the permissions & date/time stamp that is the new RIL. |
18:57.59 | arrrghhh | could permissions be hosing it? |
18:58.14 | rpierce99 | only on the new kernel? |
18:58.16 | arrrghhh | it's 777, while other things in /system/lib are 644 it looks like |
18:58.26 | rpierce99 | that's less restrictive |
18:58.26 | arrrghhh | yea, if i revert to a .27 kernel it's fine. |
18:58.40 | arrrghhh | i know but sometimes permissions that are too permissive cause issues. |
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18:58.55 | arrrghhh | i'm by no means an expert on linux file system permissions and when they break things or not... |
18:58.59 | rpierce99 | uh, issues like letting you do stuff you shouldn't be able to |
18:59.05 | arrrghhh | lol |
18:59.26 | arrrghhh | i'm serious tho. |
18:59.56 | WisTilt2 | my /lib/froyo/libhtcgeneric-ril.so is 777 |
19:00.13 | rpierce99 | he doesn't have a /lib/froyo |
19:00.23 | arrrghhh | yea, i'm thinking hyc pulled that out of his rootfs |
19:00.30 | arrrghhh | why he didn't pull donut or eclair, not sure. |
19:01.03 | ray|yar | I still say you should make a donut build |
19:01.06 | arrrghhh | mount says that /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 on /system/lib/libhtcgeneric-ril.so |
19:01.15 | arrrghhh | ray|yar, there is, STFU. |
19:01.40 | rpierce99 | um, a partition is mounted to a file? |
19:01.43 | ray|yar | for TP2? since when? |
19:01.43 | arrrghhh | there's also an eclair build, but no one wants to use them. |
19:01.48 | D3tul3 | is it just me or that mount statement doesnt make sense |
19:01.51 | arrrghhh | rpierce99, yea that doesn't quite make sense. |
19:02.00 | WisTilt2 | /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 on /lib/froyo/libhtcgeneric-ril.so type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0000,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro) |
19:02.01 | WisTilt2 | none on /dbgfs type debugfs (rw,relatime) |
19:02.02 | arrrghhh | ray|yar, it's ancient and no one uses it. |
19:02.12 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, that's how mine looks |
19:03.15 | arrrghhh | well, other than the /lib/froyo part :P |
19:03.36 | rpierce99 | i'd remove the one that doesn't work, in case it sends that conf file spiraling |
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19:03.42 | rpierce99 | the /lib/froyo one |
19:03.45 | rpierce99 | assuming it comes first |
19:03.49 | arrrghhh | rpierce99, i did |
19:03.55 | arrrghhh | well i commented it out |
19:04.30 | arrrghhh | and /system/lib statement came first... hrmmm |
19:04.32 | rpierce99 | i guess i could do us all a favor and try myself, hycs ril2 and hycs rootfs? |
19:04.36 | arrrghhh | lemme flip back to .27 to see if i have service. |
19:04.43 | arrrghhh | yup. |
19:04.45 | arrrghhh | his rootfs from 6/1 |
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19:04.49 | arrrghhh | and his ril from 5/31 |
19:05.10 | arrrghhh | gonna go whip up some lunch, brb. |
19:18.35 | jonpry2 | WisTilt2, working better with the vm options? |
19:20.29 | arrrghhh | hrm. it seems my issues are user-error, wth. |
19:22.13 | arrrghhh | mount verifies again, the RIL is mounted. |
19:22.44 | rpierce99 | yep, it's mounting, but rild is failing |
19:23.31 | jonpry2 | that makes more sense |
19:23.54 | arrrghhh | huh |
19:23.57 | arrrghhh | why would rild fail? |
19:24.06 | arrrghhh | it's failing for me on .27 or .39, so it seems i fudged something up. |
19:24.20 | jonpry2 | oh |
19:24.32 | rpierce99 | creating GSMPhone |
19:24.41 | jonpry2 | arrrghhh quit breaking things |
19:28.56 | arrrghhh | lol |
19:29.36 | jonpry2 | this multitouch patch is awesome |
19:30.47 | stinebd | whatnow? |
19:31.13 | stinebd | multitouch for rhod? |
19:31.22 | arrrghhh | stinebd, faked |
19:31.26 | arrrghhh | uses the zoombar |
19:31.39 | stinebd | oh manekineko's junk? |
19:32.21 | arrrghhh | lol |
19:32.21 | arrrghhh | yea |
19:33.26 | arrrghhh | jonpry2, did you put the patch into the main .39 tree? |
19:33.49 | stinebd | you guys gotta work on raph for that btw |
19:34.08 | jonpry2 | doing it right now |
19:34.28 | arrrghhh | ha, raph's zoombar... right? |
19:34.32 | arrrghhh | :P |
19:34.55 | stinebd | raph .39 |
19:35.07 | arrrghhh | Couldn't find 'rild' socket; retrying after timeout |
19:35.08 | arrrghhh | wth |
19:35.15 | stinebd | that means rild crashed |
19:35.27 | jonpry2 | pushed :p |
19:35.29 | arrrghhh | yea, the question is why |
19:35.36 | stinebd | the answer is logcat |
19:35.53 | arrrghhh | logcat isn't killing the RIL. |
19:36.11 | rpierce99 | regular logcat doesn't have any instances of the word ril |
19:36.13 | stinebd | it could be |
19:36.36 | stinebd | as a belieber, you should never say never |
19:37.26 | stinebd | anyway, failing logcat, just edit init to run it through strace |
19:37.42 | arrrghhh | what have i done... |
19:38.59 | arrrghhh | Unknown permission android.permission.ADD_SYSTEM_SERVICE in package com.android.phone |
19:39.00 | arrrghhh | eh? |
19:39.31 | stinebd | so uh |
19:39.41 | stinebd | grep tiad /build.prop && kill -9 1 |
19:39.47 | arrrghhh | lol |
19:40.00 | arrrghhh | this isn't a tiad8 build :P |
19:42.02 | rpierce99 | i can't read strace output |
19:42.45 | WisTilt2 | jonpry, so far vm changes seem good but we'll know after lots of hours. im in and out for a bit. got things going on here at office for next couple hours. |
19:43.21 | WisTilt2 | and did i forget to say, 39 IS SO FAST, no matter what the cdma users say:) |
19:43.27 | WisTilt2 | bbl |
19:43.30 | stinebd | yes you did |
19:44.13 | jonpry2 | its actually just that rhod is strong enough to not fly apart |
19:44.34 | arrrghhh | why would it be so much faster on GSM?!? madness. |
19:44.45 | stinebd | because gsm is rockin |
19:44.56 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2 really is just a salesman for AT&T |
19:45.22 | stinebd | nothing wrong with that |
19:45.46 | arrrghhh | eh i don't feel like paying more money for less service. thanks. |
19:45.59 | stinebd | troll troll troll your boat |
19:46.09 | stinebd | they're all the same price and they all provide the same crap service |
19:46.10 | arrrghhh | lol |
19:46.12 | stinebd | you're welcome. |
19:46.20 | arrrghhh | not true, but ok. |
19:46.34 | rpierce99 | so it's starting ril-daemon as root, but we have problems with su, any concern there? |
19:46.40 | stinebd | you're right |
19:46.49 | arrrghhh | i don't get the problems with su |
19:46.49 | stinebd | metropcs provides slightly worse service than the others |
19:46.55 | arrrghhh | bwhahaha |
19:47.02 | arrrghhh | you forgot cricket and all those other shitty regionals. |
19:47.11 | rpierce99 | uh, arrrghhh, do i need to go up like 20 lines to copy and paste where you said you can't su |
19:47.20 | arrrghhh | no i know we have problems with su |
19:47.26 | stinebd | we do? |
19:47.27 | arrrghhh | i don't get why we have problems with su. |
19:47.31 | rpierce99 | ohhh ok |
19:47.36 | stinebd | in frx06? |
19:47.36 | arrrghhh | stinebd, begone, this is .39 talk :P |
19:47.42 | jonpry2 | i tried to run wpa_supplicant yesterday from console and it kept flipping about permissions |
19:47.51 | jonpry2 | so i ran su, but same thing |
19:48.21 | rpierce99 | su works from adb |
19:48.30 | rpierce99 | not from android apps |
19:48.40 | stinebd | ah, most likely a change in the android security module then |
19:48.52 | jonpry2 | binder? |
19:49.14 | stinebd | binder is ipc |
19:49.50 | jonpry2 | what is android security module. this is a vanilla kernel so there are potentialy modules i didn't add |
19:50.34 | arrrghhh | rpierce99, if su was messing with RIL, then it still wouldn't work if it was push'd to the system image. |
19:50.51 | arrrghhh | which... i didn't have problems with previously |
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19:54.11 | stinebd | wait, who's committing as root? |
19:54.18 | jonpry2 | me |
19:54.24 | jonpry2 | shhh |
19:54.26 | stinebd | hah |
19:55.07 | jonpry2 | i started with a .deb of 39 which set the source owner to root |
19:55.11 | rpierce99 | wpa_supplicant starts as root too |
19:56.08 | D3tul3 | jonpry2: i spent some time trying to compile nilfs2-tools statically, and wow what a nightmare that is..... |
19:56.44 | D3tul3 | needless to say unsuccessfully |
19:56.47 | jonpry2 | yeah me too. managed to get the executable to cross compile. but the library failed |
19:57.41 | jonpry2 | i suspect if i put all the source in one directory it could work. just need all the defines they are setting on cmd line |
19:57.55 | D3tul3 | yeah the dynamically linked binary comes out, but it seems it's linked to god-knows-what |
19:58.46 | jonpry2 | putting the source into android build system usually work better for me |
19:59.02 | jonpry2 | gets right compiler and libs that way |
19:59.34 | D3tul3 | could be, at this point i just don't think that the entire package can be compiled against bionic....but maybe nilfs_cleanerd on its own could be |
20:00.25 | jonpry2 | other devices have cleanerd |
20:00.51 | D3tul3 | yeah i saw that, i would kill whoever crosscompiled that for their commandline |
20:01.07 | jonpry2 | since cleanerd is gpl i was thinking about putting out some compliance notifications |
20:01.25 | jonpry2 | if they made an Android.mk it could be fair game |
20:02.33 | jonpry2 | rhobuntu might be the easy way |
20:03.10 | jonpry2 | is there someway to convert an executable and its so's into a static binary expostfacto? |
20:03.38 | D3tul3 | beats me...that would be nice |
20:03.51 | stinebd | sure, by relinking it ;) |
20:07.47 | mes | stinebd, I've been wondering does that work with kernel modules? |
20:11.13 | mes | in htc_battery_smem.c, debug_mask = 0; I assume this needs to be 1 for battery details, is there a way to change that on module load? |
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23:01.49 | jonpry | anyone try out the fake multitouch kernel? |
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23:04.48 | arrrghhh | newest autobuild has it? |
23:04.58 | arrrghhh | i downloaded it, but i need to try it. |
23:05.30 | jonpry | sure does |
23:07.57 | arrrghhh | alrighty then, gonna give it a whirl now. |
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23:14.55 | arrrghhh | wow |
23:15.02 | arrrghhh | works EXACTLY as expected i would say. |
23:15.05 | arrrghhh | very nice |
23:15.14 | Willd | Fake multitouch? :) |
23:15.16 | arrrghhh | rpierce99, you are also correct, ln -s worked. |
23:15.19 | arrrghhh | Willd, kinda |
23:15.24 | arrrghhh | faking it w/the tp2's zoombar |
23:15.29 | Willd | Do explain? |
23:15.35 | arrrghhh | the tp2 has a zoombar... |
23:15.41 | arrrghhh | let me show you a vid, even better |
23:15.49 | Willd | Heh, thanks |
23:15.57 | arrrghhh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWUzPveU14 |
23:16.57 | Willd | Oh, that's kinda nice :D |
23:17.06 | Willd | Good way to fake it |
23:17.35 | arrrghhh | it works really freakin well |
23:18.02 | arrrghhh | and so simple. i barely did a thing :P |
23:18.12 | Willd | arrrghhh: Your idea? :D |
23:18.17 | arrrghhh | noes |
23:18.20 | arrrghhh | mnaekineko |
23:18.23 | arrrghhh | er |
23:18.27 | arrrghhh | manekineko |
23:18.40 | Willd | Oh |
23:18.57 | arrrghhh | evidently he was hacking at it on .27 for a while |
23:18.59 | arrrghhh | and gave up |
23:19.08 | Willd | .35 made it possible? :o |
23:19.15 | arrrghhh | very shortly after .39 came out, he put it in |
23:19.18 | arrrghhh | .3x |
23:19.21 | arrrghhh | not sure which one tbh.. |
23:21.33 | arrrghhh | it seems like .39 is where .35 is at |
23:21.36 | arrrghhh | or beyond... |
23:21.41 | arrrghhh | for RHOD at least :P |
23:23.05 | stinebd | it'd be really cool to get the other boards in there |
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23:26.52 | arrrghhh | jonpry, did you try the fake MT? |
23:26.58 | arrrghhh | did it work well for ya? |
23:32.16 | Willd | We're still dealing with some major drainage issues on .35 |
23:32.18 | Willd | But .39 would be fun :p |
23:32.33 | arrrghhh | damn samsung troll. |
23:32.46 | Willd | arrrghhh: 'course darling ;) |
23:32.51 | arrrghhh | lol |
23:33.01 | stinebd | drainage issues? |
23:33.08 | stinebd | phone getting flooded? |
23:33.10 | Willd | stinebd: Yeah, still debugging though |
23:33.32 | Willd | stinebd: Right now it seems like the prox gpio won't release a wakelock |
23:33.40 | stinebd | ooh |
23:34.17 | Willd | Dunno if that's the only problem we have though :) |
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23:48.45 | jonpry | arrrghhh, i have no data and wifi so haven't been able to test it |
23:49.03 | jonpry | Willd, what device? |
23:49.06 | arrrghhh | jonpry, same but i tested it on google maps. |
23:49.13 | Willd | jonpry: Samsung i7500 |
23:49.15 | Willd | MSM7200a |
23:49.35 | Willd | jonpry: Looks like one of our devs commited a fix though |
23:50.06 | arrrghhh | i dunno how or why but i was able to load up google maps and zoom in and out. no connection to speak of. |
23:50.13 | raymonddull | hey,the i7500 is almost the same phone as my intercept |
23:50.19 | arrrghhh | wifi is a bummer dude. my tester device depends on it :P |
23:50.27 | jonpry | maybe its working |
23:50.45 | arrrghhh | it seems very hit-or-miss |
23:50.47 | Willd | raymonddull: Oh? :) |
23:51.06 | raymonddull | they have VERY similar hardware |
23:51.12 | raymonddull | mine is basically the cdma version |
23:51.14 | Willd | raymonddull: Well, so does tp2 :p |
23:51.26 | jonpry | i can't really test the wifi. but it seems to scan for me eventually |
23:51.45 | Willd | raymonddull: You could try one of our roms :p |
23:51.49 | arrrghhh | jonpry, imma send you an AP :P |
23:51.55 | arrrghhh | wifi to nothing |
23:52.29 | raymonddull | wonders if that would work because all of the intercept roms suck |
23:52.32 | jonpry | i'm gonna get a router when i'm in the states in 2 weeks. then i'll set it up as dd-wrt repeater |
23:52.35 | arrrghhh | i think emwe and alex are battling wifi on .35 as well |
23:52.46 | arrrghhh | jonpry, i have that in mah house :D |
23:52.48 | Willd | raymonddull: How much RAM does your device have? |
23:52.51 | arrrghhh | 2 dd-wrt routers |
23:52.55 | raymonddull | 256mb |
23:53.04 | jonpry | alex has tiwlan doing something |
23:53.09 | Willd | raymonddull: Hm, your device should blossom with our rom :p |
23:53.39 | Willd | raymonddull: Behold 2 was on fire, back when it ran our 1.6 rom |
23:54.01 | Willd | raymonddull: Their devs couldn't get 2.x running though |
23:54.30 | arrrghhh | i need to go. bbl, possibly... |
23:54.50 | raymonddull | people still use the Behold 2? |
23:55.24 | Willd | raymonddull: It is as old as the i7500 :p |
23:55.41 | raymonddull | but it just fails. |
23:55.56 | raymonddull | please at least tell me you got rid of that damn cube |
23:56.09 | Willd | raymonddull: Never had one |
23:56.21 | Willd | raymonddull: But they ran our vanilla rom, so I reckon they did |
23:56.23 | raymonddull | the behold 2? yeah it did |
23:57.03 | jonpry | we are using wifi driver from leo now. but i can't manage to use the wifi firmware from leo. its like we need there nvram too |
23:57.37 | jonpry | anybody have one of those? |
23:58.17 | Willd | jonpry: Which chip do you actually have? |
23:58.26 | jonpry | bcm4329 |
23:58.32 | jonpry | er bcm4325 |
23:58.39 | Willd | Are you using the open driver? |
23:58.55 | jonpry | 4325 doesn't like the firmware |
23:59.01 | Willd | Hm, sec |
23:59.31 | raymonddull | I have a friend with an HD2 aka leo if we need anything from it |