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| 10:02.44 | johnb81 | anyone seen cotulla lately? |
| 10:05.09 | johnb81 | or any technical person to help about agps implementation? |
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| 10:27.11 | dcordes | johnb81: what platform/device ? |
| 10:27.21 | johnb81 | hd2 |
| 10:30.22 | johnb81 | dcordes: are you interested? |
| 10:36.10 | dcordes | hm I get a gps fix quickly on the hd2 |
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| 10:36.26 | dcordes | in android |
| 10:36.29 | johnb81 | slower than 10 sec? |
| 10:53.52 | dcordes | I don't think it was that fast |
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| 11:10.28 | lxsameer | hi, does any one installed meego on desire? |
| 11:16.50 | dcordes | lxsameer: it is better to install shr |
| 11:17.16 | lxsameer | dcordes: what is shr? |
| 11:17.24 | dcordes | http://shr-project.org |
| 11:18.21 | lxsameer | dcordes: seems interesting but why do you prefer that |
| 11:18.39 | dcordes | because meego is dead |
| 11:18.50 | dcordes | and sucks without opengl |
| 11:18.58 | khorben_ | I don't think it is dead |
| 11:19.17 | khorben_ | intel has many customers for specific markets |
| 11:19.33 | lxsameer | dcordes: an what is special about shr |
| 11:19.35 | khorben_ | nokia is still working on the N9 |
| 11:19.39 | dcordes | khorben_: intel invests in shr now :) |
| 11:19.46 | khorben_ | seriously? |
| 11:19.52 | dcordes | khorben_: check above link |
| 11:20.44 | khorben_ | where does it say anything about intel? |
| 11:21.12 | dcordes | shr distro is based on openembedded. intel is investing directly into openembedded via the yocto project since a few feeks |
| 11:21.27 | dcordes | s/feeks/weeks/ |
| 11:21.37 | khorben_ | alright, maybe (I hate openembedded, but whatever) |
| 11:21.48 | dcordes | good for you |
| 11:21.55 | lxsameer | dcordes: wow nice |
| 11:21.59 | lxsameer | dcordes: do you installed it your self? |
| 11:22.02 | lxsameer | dcordes: nice |
| 11:22.15 | dcordes | unfortunately I don't have any image read to test on desire because I only have hd2 |
| 11:22.23 | dcordes | but ask in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 11:22.32 | lxsameer | dcordes: do you try it your self? can i use it without problem |
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| 11:22.48 | damo22 | is there a kernel for nexus s? |
| 11:23.13 | lxsameer | dcordes: how was it in you hd2? |
| 11:23.37 | dcordes | lxsameer: it's going pretty well. downside is we have no sound due to lack of driver |
| 11:23.47 | dcordes | damo22: http://developer.htc.com/ |
| 11:24.11 | dcordes | lxsameer: boots in 10 seconds :) |
| 11:24.32 | lxsameer | dcordes: no sound ? so you can't speak via shr right now? |
| 11:24.39 | lxsameer | dcordes: amazing |
| 11:25.08 | dcordes | lxsameer: we have a preliminary hack to place voice calls |
| 11:25.18 | dcordes | lxsameer: calls and general audio are two different things |
| 11:25.42 | lxsameer | dcordes: aha , thanks a lot man, i think i'll install that in my device |
| 11:26.04 | dcordes | then you should ask captainigloo |
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| 11:27.13 | damo22 | is BlueZ = bluetooth driver |
| 11:28.21 | lxsameer | dcordes: does using desire kernel with shr on my desire will solve the sound problem ? |
| 11:28.31 | dcordes | damo22: http://www.bluez.org/about/ |
| 11:29.24 | dcordes | lxsameer: android expectes different audio driver than shr (and other non-android distros). so if your kernel is designed for android, you won't get audio with it in any non-android linux distro. |
| 11:29.40 | dcordes | lxsameer: you need an alsa audio driver |
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| 11:30.25 | dcordes | Cotulla says he is working on alsa support on hd2. since hd2 and desire are similar (same SoC) it might happen at soem point .. |
| 11:30.40 | lxsameer | dcordes: hmmmmmmm thanks man , let me try shr and i'll bother you later for these stuffs :P |
| 11:30.42 | lxsameer | dcordes: nice |
| 11:30.45 | damo22 | dcordes: does desire z have alsa driver? |
| 11:31.18 | dcordes | damo22: the rule above applies globally to all android devices :) |
| 11:31.50 | dcordes | damo22: if it's a kernel for an android device, it doesn't have alsa. |
| 11:32.33 | lxsameer | dcordes: do you have any article about installation instruction for hd2? |
| 11:33.41 | dcordes | lxsameer: unfortunately not. you might look up how to install other non-android linux distros on the desire |
| 11:33.59 | dcordes | lxsameer: I bet there are many instructions available |
| 11:34.06 | lxsameer | dcordes: like what ? |
| 11:34.16 | dcordes | lxsameer: if you can figure it out I can provide you a tarball with hd2 shr rootfs |
| 11:34.46 | lxsameer | dcordes: aha thanks man |
| 11:34.54 | dcordes | like debian or so |
| 11:35.08 | dcordes | htc-linux wiki should get such an how to |
| 11:35.27 | lxsameer | dcordes: i already installed a debian on my device but with a chrooted environment |
| 11:35.35 | dcordes | chroot sucks |
| 11:35.42 | damo22 | dcordes: i think a chrooted environment would be a good idea |
| 11:35.52 | dcordes | :) |
| 11:36.01 | lxsameer | dcordes: yeah thats sucks |
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| 11:36.47 | dcordes | [[Rootfs/Userfriendly]] |
| 11:36.47 | unilinky | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rootfs/Userfriendly |
| 11:37.48 | dcordes | this is a nice method to use native rootfs if you don't want to flash or format the sd |
| 11:40.44 | damo22 | dcordes: cant i just use a busybox on an android phone manually and chroot into my linux install? |
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| 11:43.02 | lxsameer | dcordes: what way do you perefer ? |
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| 11:43.46 | lxsameer | dcordes: :) you wrote that article |
| 11:44.00 | damo22 | unless there is a full OS with apps and everything theres no real point in having a native install of a linux distro, what u gonna do? vi an sms? |
| 11:45.06 | dcordes | damo22: shr has fancy gui for sms |
| 11:45.13 | lxsameer | damo22: i can't understand my friend ( my english is not very good ) |
| 11:45.15 | dcordes | lxsameer: I prefer directly booting |
| 11:45.37 | dcordes | damo22: not using chroot does not mean replace the default os :) |
| 11:45.39 | lxsameer | dcordes: can you give me some link about it (don't kill me please) |
| 11:46.18 | damo22 | i reckon it would be cool to run both in parallel, then you can run say a webserver and ssh on the non-android os and still use your phone for calls |
| 11:47.18 | dcordes | lxsameer: I can talk to captainigloo if he has some time. then we can prepare something for desire |
| 11:47.34 | lxsameer | dcordes: that whould be awesome |
| 11:47.36 | dcordes | lxsameer: until that you can play around with your boot loader and try to boot another distro directly |
| 11:47.44 | dcordes | just to get familiar with it |
| 11:47.52 | lxsameer | dcordes: ok sure |
| 11:48.00 | lxsameer | dcordes: thanks again |
| 11:48.03 | dcordes | yw |
| 11:48.14 | damo22 | dcordes: can i compile a vanilla arm kernel and use that on a phone? |
| 11:48.26 | dcordes | if we have some testable images I can anounce it in the wiki news section |
| 11:48.41 | dcordes | damo22: it depends. on which phone ? |
| 11:49.22 | damo22 | dcordes: basically i want to buy a phone which would support alsa under a vanilla kernel if possible |
| 11:50.38 | damo22 | i want to run Jack on my phone :P |
| 11:51.37 | dcordes | I'm not sure if the nokias are using alsa |
| 11:51.53 | dcordes | I can tell you there is no recent htc with alsa support in mainline |
| 11:51.59 | damo22 | doh |
| 11:52.19 | dcordes | ther is support for the qsd8250 platform in mainline |
| 11:52.25 | dcordes | but no device specifics there |
| 11:52.48 | damo22 | i wrote a usb audio driver before |
| 11:53.48 | damo22 | i wonder if a phone could have a usb host controller |
| 11:54.03 | dcordes | in fact I used usb audio adapter on my htc hd2 via usb host |
| 11:54.13 | damo22 | so i can plug my usb soundcard into my phone |
| 11:54.36 | damo22 | wowwww |
| 11:55.27 | dcordes | [[msm_usb_host]] |
| 11:55.27 | unilinky | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=msm_usb_host |
| 11:55.49 | dcordes | [[Msm_Usb_Host]] |
| 11:55.49 | unilinky | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Msm_Usb_Host |
| 11:57.18 | damo22 | ohhhh my god |
| 11:57.35 | damo22 | DIY usb phone dock |
| 11:57.45 | dcordes | hehe I have one on my table |
| 11:57.51 | damo22 | with keyboard and mouse |
| 11:57.53 | damo22 | :D |
| 11:58.21 | damo22 | that is cool!!! no more need for a laptop |
| 11:58.31 | damo22 | and you can fit your pc in your pocket |
| 11:59.31 | dcordes | check the link at the bottom |
| 11:59.34 | damo22 | you should sell these |
| 11:59.36 | damo22 | !!! |
| 12:00.22 | dcordes | :] |
| 12:02.03 | lxsameer | what did you use as bootloader\ |
| 12:02.06 | lxsameer | ? |
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| 12:07.10 | dcordes | lxsameer: HaRET |
| 12:07.28 | damo22 | problem is, how do you make calls |
| 12:07.41 | dcordes | depends on the distro |
| 12:07.48 | dcordes | now I'm using magldr as bootloader |
| 12:09.10 | damo22 | so im guessing there is more support for the nexus one than others |
| 12:09.34 | dcordes | what support do you mean ? |
| 12:09.41 | damo22 | is there host usb support on recent htcs? |
| 12:10.14 | dcordes | yes |
| 12:10.24 | damo22 | hmmm |
| 12:10.49 | dcordes | obviously the out of the box preinstalled kernels do not support it |
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| 12:11.00 | damo22 | :D |
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| 12:14.37 | damo22 | so obviously with a chrooted environment you cant switch kernels right? |
| 12:15.51 | damo22 | what about installing all the android shit but use your own kernel.... and run the phone as normal |
| 12:21.56 | damo22 | i want the output of lspci on a htc desire z |
| 12:21.59 | damo22 | :P |
| 12:22.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | bash: lspci: command not found? |
| 12:22.41 | damo22 | :S |
| 12:25.03 | damo22 | imma gonna take the froyo kernel for desire z and see if i can merge the drivers into mainline vanilla :P |
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| 13:02.22 | damo22 | Crespo = nexus s |
| 13:02.28 | damo22 | :D |
| 13:05.58 | damo22 | should be able to roll my own kernel from here right? http://android.git.kernel.org/ |
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| 13:21.55 | dcordes | damo22: sorry I got sidetracked |
| 13:22.11 | damo22 | np |
| 13:22.29 | dcordes | damo22: yes Ãt is a good step to grab the offical kernel first |
| 13:22.55 | damo22 | afaik there is userspace alsa for android? |
| 13:23.02 | dcordes | damo22: try to compile the kernel image and modules so that you will get the expected 'shipped' experience on the device |
| 13:23.09 | dcordes | damo22: then you can move on to patching |
| 13:24.25 | damo22 | dcordes: im hoping the official kernel has a .config |
| 13:24.59 | damo22 | dcordes: i want to buy a nexus s methinks.... so i can play around with NFC |
| 13:25.33 | dcordes | damo22: device specific .config is usually supplied via arch/arm/configs/<device>_defconfig |
| 13:25.52 | damo22 | ahh cool |
| 13:25.56 | dcordes | note that <device> is the device's name used in the kernel - which can be some obscure evaluation board name, e.g. a fish :) |
| 13:26.36 | damo22 | yeah i figured out that nexus s is called crespo |
| 13:26.51 | dcordes | [[QuickDeveloperStartGuide#Kernel]] |
| 13:26.51 | unilinky | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=QuickDeveloperStartGuide%23Kernel |
| 13:29.52 | damo22 | nice |
| 13:32.05 | damo22 | my laptop needs upgrading but i cant be bothered |
| 13:32.47 | damo22 | im gonna try compiling an official android kernel inside a vm |
| 13:33.25 | Alex[sp3dev] | do it inside cygwin like cotulla does |
| 13:33.57 | damo22 | nah im running ubuntu native 9.04 but i want 11.04 |
| 13:34.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | meh, ubuntu.. |
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| 13:34.47 | damo22 | yeah its for noobs like me |
| 13:35.12 | damo22 | but i dual booted it with mac osx |
| 13:35.52 | Alex[sp3dev] | actually i don't see huge differences between ubuntu and debian.. anyway metapackages with tons of crap suck. when i install ubuntu, i have to manually remove like half the packages |
| 13:36.15 | damo22 | lol yeah well |
| 13:39.56 | damo22 | im wondering if enabling usb host is simple as setting a kernel config option upon compile |
| 13:40.07 | damo22 | :P |
| 13:40.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | depends on whether the driver is there. for msm, you just need to add the driver and config. but unforunately yet you can only switch client/host at compile time |
| 13:41.04 | damo22 | ah bugger |
| 13:41.51 | damo22 | cant you compile as a module and modprobe it, then rmmod it |
| 13:42.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | me? i hate modules |
| 13:42.38 | damo22 | lol |
| 13:43.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | i think codeaurora otg driver can be hacked to work for us. or we can fix the current driver. just it's not the most important thing and with external power usb is useless.. when you have a wall socket, you can plug the laptop |
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| 13:52.49 | damo22 | if you run an official kernel and official android, if you chroot into say an ubuntu install do you have access to all the hardware under the chroot? |
| 13:53.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes |
| 13:53.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | but no, not to framebuffer of course |
| 13:53.37 | damo22 | ahhh i see |
| 13:54.49 | damo22 | but if you wanted to muck around without a screen or input, just ssh into a server install you could do that quite easily |
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| 16:31.13 | lxsameer | does any one worked with alpharev before? |
| 16:32.08 | AstainHellbring | seems familiar |
| 16:33.17 | lxsameer | AstainHellbring: a patched hboot for desire |
| 16:40.46 | AstainHellbring | yah I ran it on my desire when I had one |
| 16:41.54 | lxsameer | AstainHellbring: can you please look at http://alpharev.nl/ |
| 16:42.06 | lxsameer | AstainHellbring: i can't understand the table |
| 16:43.11 | AstainHellbring | what dont you understand? |
| 16:43.39 | lxsameer | AstainHellbring: what should i use Bravo CM7 or Bravo stock? currently i have cm6 on my device |
| 16:43.46 | AstainHellbring | I always used stock |
| 16:44.15 | lxsameer | AstainHellbring: does it matter that i use cm6 right now ? |
| 16:44.42 | AstainHellbring | no |
| 16:44.50 | AstainHellbring | the only diffs on those is partition tables |
| 16:45.57 | lxsameer | AstainHellbring: and does selecting a partition table is in my choice or i should choose a specific one? |
| 16:46.22 | AstainHellbring | its your choice sometimes rom cooks pick ones they recommend for their layout |
| 16:47.00 | lxsameer | aha , can i use alpharev to boot a non-android linux ? |
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| 17:33.04 | lxsameer | how can i control the fastboot bootloader |
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| 17:47.13 | lxsameer | ahhh i get mixed up , what should i use as my bootloader to boot a native linux? (htc desire) |
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| 23:02.53 | ThatDudeButch | Hey guys, anyone around? |
| 23:06.06 | arrrghhh | perhaps |
| 23:06.10 | arrrghhh | not really a 'chat' channel tho... |
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| 23:14.31 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 23:14.32 | ThatDudeButch | arrrghhh: Oh I see, just trying to see where everyone talks about the HD2. I dev for Android and got comped a dealer line with TMobile and picked up the HD2 cause it looked hackable as hell, but realized theres tons of windows garbage I know nothing about, trying to get this HD2 I snagged to Android on NAND with CWM. |
| 23:14.52 | arrrghhh | ThatDudeButch, ok...? |
| 23:14.57 | arrrghhh | it's a pretty straightforward process. |
| 23:15.09 | arrrghhh | kernel dev happens in this room, honestly not too many people seem to be *actively* working on HD2. |
| 23:15.14 | arrrghhh | but #htc-linux-chat has more HD2 folk. |
| 23:15.23 | arrrghhh | this room is strictly for kernel dev. |
| 23:15.24 | ThatDudeButch | ok then |
| 23:15.25 | ThatDudeButch | thanks |
| 23:15.27 | arrrghhh | np |
| 23:15.30 | arrrghhh | enjoy, i'm out. |
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| 23:34.37 | jonpry | damn linux |
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| 23:35.31 | jonpry | hey WisTilt2 |
| 23:35.43 | WisTilt2 | lol just about to ping you |
| 23:35.53 | jonpry | i just fixed that bitch up |
| 23:36.16 | WisTilt2 | man i am busy. working with at&t wireless locally to implement our device on their network:) |
| 23:36.32 | WisTilt2 | had to put this stuff aside for a couple days |
| 23:36.43 | jonpry | i've been jdb'ng system server all day and finally found it |
| 23:36.51 | WisTilt2 | so you fixed 3.0 up? |
| 23:36.53 | stinebd | WisTilt2: if you need long distance testers, i'm available and have att |
| 23:37.00 | stinebd | wink wink |
| 23:37.09 | jonpry | your 3g hardware? |
| 23:37.29 | jonpry | well i fixed that stupid falling asleep bug. patch will work on 39 as well |
| 23:37.35 | WisTilt2 | just local here in our county for now. dont know if i want to take it to the next step yet. need to see how this goes first |
| 23:37.49 | stinebd | this is america |
| 23:37.58 | stinebd | we always take it to the next step |
| 23:38.07 | stinebd | especially if the next step involves missiles |
| 23:38.12 | jonpry | lol |
| 23:38.12 | WisTilt2 | yes 3g but looks like we're good on their psuedo 4g HSPA network also. |
| 23:38.32 | stinebd | pulling 14.4 no problem? |
| 23:38.46 | WisTilt2 | no, they only have 7.2 here right now |
| 23:38.53 | WisTilt2 | but we get close to that yes |
| 23:38.55 | stinebd | ah, that's not in their 4g area then |
| 23:39.17 | WisTilt2 | they said they aren't bothering with 14.4 going straight up to 44, we'll see |
| 23:39.20 | stinebd | they're only marketing 14.4 and up hspa+ as 4g |
| 23:39.37 | stinebd | yeah, most of their non-metro markets will be like that |
| 23:40.04 | stinebd | which made it very surprising to me that we have hspa+ here |
| 23:40.06 | WisTilt2 | i'll believe it when i see it but we're agriculture rural here so we don't count i guess |
| 23:40.18 | stinebd | i'm kinda surprised you have hspa there |
| 23:40.39 | stinebd | you're out in edge territory almost i'd think |
| 23:40.40 | WisTilt2 | im happy with getting nearly 7mbps. that's pretty amazing in itself |
| 23:40.41 | jonpry | i only have 9600 baud |
| 23:41.15 | jonpry | guy at the store told me thats all its possible to really use |
| 23:41.40 | WisTilt2 | ah, 9600baud, the good old days. i remember when we went from 300baud acoustic to 1200 and thought was fast enough. |
| 23:41.57 | stinebd | i never thought that was fast enough |
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| 23:42.05 | stinebd | in fact, what we have no is nowhere near fast enough |
| 23:42.11 | stinebd | now* |
| 23:42.57 | WisTilt2 | i just wonder how the major backbones are going to be able to keep up with the huge increase in bandwidth demand over the next year. netflix reported that they account for 25% of the worlds bandwidth now. |
| 23:43.18 | stinebd | don't worry, ipv6 will fix it somehow |
| 23:43.29 | jonpry | 300 is like acoustic coupled |
| 23:43.33 | WisTilt2 | i believe them, we see over half our residential customers using it for several hours daily now. |
| 23:44.08 | WisTilt2 | jonpry i still have my 300 acoustic phone coupler from back then. should be worth something on ebay eventually:) |
| 23:45.06 | WisTilt2 | so back on topic... is the 3.0 tree current? haven't looked yet as i just got on to see what's up. |
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| 23:46.22 | WisTilt2 | lol, just pulled and 20643 deletions! damn |
| 23:46.35 | jonpry2 | internet working great today. new stuff is all pushed |
| 23:46.36 | WisTilt2 | what was causing that weird sleep unlock bug? |
| 23:48.15 | jonpry2 | like evdev puts timestamps on the events. and these are never really used unless a button causes a sleep. android expects them to be on the same metric to getUptimeMillis(), which they are not for unknown reasons. so after you put it to sleep once everything is shot to hell because phone is waiting for event 12 years in the future |
| 23:48.54 | jonpry | i think the 25% is inflated. there talking about peak consumption and netflix said something about using very little backbone bandwidth because they have servers very close to the last mile |
| 23:48.54 | jonpry | i just pushed the stuff |
| 23:49.42 | jonpry2 | so i changed the code in evdev to use a different time. it might not actually be the same as uptimemillis, so future problems possible. but seems pretty good for now |
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| 23:52.50 | WisTilt2 | interesting. im going to test it now. im here until 6:30 so have 1.5hrs to play until we have a family birthday dinner to go to. |
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| 23:53.14 | jonpry2 | its pretty unstable. i noticed it on 39 after i got rid of compiler warnings. but sometimes it won't boot. often it will hang on first sleep. and if i actually use it there are spontaneous reboots to looks forward too |
| 23:53.59 | WisTilt2 | what system and rootfs you running with? |
| 23:54.09 | jonpry2 | my tls hacks frx05 |
| 23:54.29 | jonpry2 | scbs rootfs with adbd disabled |
| 23:54.32 | WisTilt2 | ok im going to run my tls 2.2.1 whatever that was image that works great |
| 23:55.36 | jonpry2 | i was hoping to get a ram console from my latest spontaneous reboot. nothing in it |