| 00:02.02 | jonpry | what is CWM? |
| 00:02.29 | hyc | clockworkmod recovery |
| 00:02.31 | arrrghhh | sorry, clockworkmod |
| 00:02.37 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 00:02.41 | hyc | I'm tempted to look into it |
| 00:02.49 | arrrghhh | hyc, i've used it |
| 00:02.53 | hyc | the current init rootfs stuff totally pisses me off |
| 00:02.56 | arrrghhh | it's fairly close to native AFAIK |
| 00:03.00 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 00:03.06 | arrrghhh | it's kinda silly with partitioned builds. |
| 00:03.06 | jonpry | i am going to build a nilfs kernel and partioned build is really 99% of the work |
| 00:03.12 | arrrghhh | neopeek made it more sensible for sure. |
| 00:03.37 | hyc | right now I have most things working ok with /system and /data partitions |
| 00:04.01 | hyc | but I still can't get a clean unmount of /data on shutdown/reboot |
| 00:04.36 | jonpry | kill -9 all processes? |
| 00:04.51 | hyc | I guess that'd be the thing to try next |
| 00:05.09 | hyc | I'm also annoyed that shutdown/reboot is done from the android servicemanager |
| 00:05.19 | hyc | why isn't it done from the init process? |
| 00:05.34 | hyc | right now if you indiscriminately kill-9 everything, you also kill yourself |
| 00:06.00 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 00:06.10 | hyc | and never get to the reboot() syscall :P |
| 00:06.11 | jonpry | android service stuff is out of control |
| 00:06.28 | hyc | apparently written by people without a clue |
| 00:06.47 | hyc | system shutdown/reboot should always be init's responsibility |
| 00:07.00 | hyc | it's the only process in the system that's guaranteed to always be running |
| 00:07.17 | arrrghhh | kinda needs to be |
| 00:07.26 | jonpry | but its just a bash script on android |
| 00:07.35 | hyc | no, it execs a binary |
| 00:07.44 | jonpry | which is not pid==0 |
| 00:07.51 | hyc | init is always pid=1 |
| 00:07.59 | hyc | there is no pid=0 |
| 00:08.04 | jonpry | or 1 |
| 00:08.27 | hyc | eh? init is always pid=1, on all unix systems |
| 00:08.52 | jonpry | your right. i'm saying bash gets pid 1, then init.android gets new pid |
| 00:10.01 | hyc | no, bash execs init.android, pid stays 1 |
| 00:10.44 | hyc | I wish they didn't leave init so braindead. I miss being able to kill -1 1 to make it reread the init.rc |
| 00:11.22 | jonpry | add real init? |
| 00:11.38 | hyc | probably will just add some signal handlers to init.android |
| 00:12.21 | hyc | but I'm sick of always booting up to an fsck of /data |
| 00:12.54 | jonpry | your running on partitions? |
| 00:13.08 | hyc | yes, I just said that. partitions for /data and /system |
| 00:13.15 | hyc | rootfs is still loop mounted |
| 00:13.20 | arrrghhh | the rootfs is setup to handle it jonpry |
| 00:13.23 | arrrghhh | albeit stupidly |
| 00:13.26 | arrrghhh | but it is setup to handle it. |
| 00:13.46 | jonpry | its also setup to handle nand, but none of it works |
| 00:13.54 | arrrghhh | lmao |
| 00:13.58 | hyc | oh well |
| 00:14.01 | arrrghhh | rootfs is basically gone in nand... |
| 00:14.07 | arrrghhh | and neopeek's builds before CWM |
| 00:14.20 | jonpry | hyc: you like the partitions better? |
| 00:14.41 | hyc | yeah, it's helped minimize the data corruptions I've had |
| 00:15.02 | jonpry | i hope to get some speed with nilfs |
| 00:15.07 | hyc | vold always unmounts /sdcard on shutdown |
| 00:15.21 | hyc | so keeping /data on sdcard loopback was always a problem |
| 00:15.40 | hyc | now /sdcard unmounts cleanly |
| 00:15.48 | hyc | no more corruptions there |
| 00:16.25 | arrrghhh | hyc, i'm actually going to post a FRX06 build using CWM, assuming i can get it to work. |
| 00:16.27 | hyc | also I can sort of use USB mass storage |
| 00:16.31 | arrrghhh | i tried, and it was a FCfest |
| 00:16.36 | jonpry | i crash my kernel enough that problems with actual clean shutdown are pretty pie in the sky |
| 00:16.42 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 00:16.54 | hyc | vold will unmount /sdcard and make it available to the PC |
| 00:17.17 | hyc | but it can't remount it again because it's looking for a uevent message that the .27 kernel doesn't send |
| 00:17.32 | hyc | so at this point I'm thoroughly disgusted |
| 00:17.36 | arrrghhh | heh |
| 00:17.49 | hyc | pulled down a bunch of .35 kernel trees but it's too much of a mess |
| 00:17.49 | arrrghhh | i'm wondering why rhod kernel devs don't seem to want to push towards .35 harder? |
| 00:17.55 | arrrghhh | o.. |
| 00:18.01 | arrrghhh | lol .35 was supposed to fix the mess. |
| 00:18.06 | hyc | well... |
| 00:18.10 | hyc | .35 may be clean |
| 00:18.21 | hyc | but trying to figure out what in .27 needs to be brought forward is messy |
| 00:18.29 | arrrghhh | ah |
| 00:18.31 | jonpry | everybody spends all there time rewriting everything. so there are like 10 different broken versions of every driver |
| 00:18.31 | arrrghhh | yea, i can see that. |
| 00:18.38 | hyc | yeah |
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| 00:18.42 | arrrghhh | indeed... |
| 00:18.58 | hyc | I've looked at diffs from our tree against vanilla 2.6.27, android 2.6.27 |
| 00:19.04 | hyc | androidmsm 2.6.27 |
| 00:19.11 | hyc | it's all a jumble |
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| 00:19.52 | hyc | and we have stuff in our .27 tree that came from newer kernels |
| 00:20.01 | arrrghhh | oh yea |
| 00:20.07 | arrrghhh | i know acl backported the .35 fb |
| 00:20.21 | hyc | so just grabbing the diffs and starting a merge to .35 would hit some redundancies |
| 00:20.26 | hyc | such a mess |
| 00:20.35 | jonpry | i was never able to get into machine_init from git.kernel.org .35, but it worked on andoird.git.kernel.org, but i could never figure out why |
| 00:20.52 | jonpry | then i lost all confidence in myself |
| 00:20.59 | hyc | looking at code of such unknown lineage, I can't tell which tree is the "fix" that should come forward |
| 00:21.31 | jonpry | i know about some of that stuff |
| 00:21.57 | hyc | oh, and also comparing to cyanogen kernel tree |
| 00:22.23 | hyc | some of the problems I've seen reported on TP2/Gingerbread are things I remmeber them already fixing |
| 00:22.56 | hyc | would be nice to just get ourselves up to date and stay in sync with cyanogen |
| 00:23.16 | jonpry | most of htc-linux work comes down to going through all the repos and trying everybodies stupid msm_sdcc or whatever |
| 00:23.39 | hyc | such a waste of energy |
| 00:24.03 | hyc | we need better communication/coordination/something |
| 00:24.13 | jonpry | or more backports |
| 00:24.17 | hyc | :P |
| 00:24.40 | jonpry | like who really wants a new kernel, i just want nilfs |
| 00:24.43 | hyc | I hate hunting bugs in old code that have already been fixed. |
| 00:24.52 | hyc | in newer revs.. |
| 00:25.14 | hyc | and there's plenty broken in .27 |
| 00:25.16 | arrrghhh | i'd like a new kernel, if it means crap works better. |
| 00:25.22 | arrrghhh | :D |
| 00:25.50 | jonpry | i think we are running mostly the latest msm drivers |
| 00:26.25 | hyc | maybe, but against an outdated framework |
| 00:26.26 | jonpry | i tried the new nand driver but its mostly just additions for QSD8XXX |
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| 00:27.07 | jonpry | and there is potentially newer stuff for qdsp, but again its 99% for other devices |
| 00:27.08 | hyc | not much fun if you're chasing a bug that might not even be specific to your device |
| 00:27.25 | hyc | (speaking of the devil) hi cyanogen |
| 00:28.17 | jonpry | new nand driver has hard coded chip ids |
| 00:28.29 | arrrghhh | let's just get our devices supported by cm haha |
| 00:28.36 | hyc | exactly! |
| 00:29.19 | hyc | there's no reason to be sitting here dealing with linux kernel bugs *and* android platform bugs *and* our device bugs. |
| 00:29.30 | arrrghhh | yea |
| 00:29.36 | arrrghhh | would be nice to just deal with our device bugs. |
| 00:29.41 | hyc | yes |
| 00:29.57 | jonpry | well, i tried to put our platform drivers into new kernel and had lots of problems |
| 00:30.28 | hyc | I tried to compile them a couple months ago, got nowhere |
| 00:31.00 | jonpry | so my second .35 effort got somewhere |
| 00:31.07 | hyc | yes? |
| 00:31.22 | jonpry | like it almost initted the framebuffer |
| 00:31.30 | hyc | almost? wooo |
| 00:31.33 | jonpry | would work like 1 out of 3 boots |
| 00:31.38 | jonpry | but it was superfast |
| 00:31.46 | jonpry | which is why [acl] backported it |
| 00:31.55 | jonpry | but i could never figure out how they got it to work reliably |
| 00:32.33 | jonpry | seemed like a timing problem. then they started there own .35 tree that doesn't suffer from the fb problem. but they want all the drivers rewritten. |
| 00:32.47 | hyc | who they? |
| 00:33.34 | jonpry | looks like emwe and [acl], then alex has his own thing |
| 00:33.57 | hyc | ah yes |
| 00:34.05 | jonpry | i got froyo to boot under .35 like 6 weeks ago or so |
| 00:34.21 | hyc | cool |
| 00:34.29 | hyc | can you send me a zImage and modules? |
| 00:34.47 | jonpry | not right now |
| 00:34.58 | jonpry | but its just htc-msm-2.6.35 branch |
| 00:35.06 | jonpry | i got them to commit the stuff that makes it boot |
| 00:35.07 | hyc | main repo? |
| 00:35.10 | hyc | oh ok |
| 00:35.11 | jonpry | yeah |
| 00:35.29 | jonpry | big problem is microp |
| 00:36.52 | jonpry | seems like i can't clear the interrupt |
| 00:38.02 | hyc | hm, it's re-configing on me. stick with kernbel gzip, or use lzma or lzo? |
| 00:38.58 | jonpry | you probably should re defconfig |
| 00:39.13 | jonpry | .27 defconfig will enable all kinds of badly broken stuff |
| 00:40.08 | hyc | ok |
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| 00:40.16 | hyc | now it's compiling anyway... |
| 00:41.57 | hyc | when you say froyo boots, how far does it get? full UI? calls work? |
| 00:42.12 | hyc | it seems not to have iptables modules enabled |
| 00:42.23 | hyc | this is a very minimal defconfig? |
| 00:43.02 | jonpry | no wifi |
| 00:43.15 | hyc | ok |
| 00:43.34 | jonpry | ui work, but no microp means no keyboard and no back buttong, making it kind of difficult |
| 00:43.44 | hyc | mmm |
| 00:44.37 | jonpry | no sound, but call sound may work. i had radio |
| 00:48.00 | hyc | system type was configured as "ARM Versatile" |
| 00:48.05 | hyc | i set it to Qualcomm MSM |
| 00:48.12 | hyc | it only knows trout and halibut board type |
| 00:48.19 | hyc | so it's still missing rhodium etc. ? |
| 00:48.35 | hyc | oh never mind |
| 00:48.38 | hyc | they're down below |
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| 02:26.53 | hyc | has anybody tried this new broadcom driver yet? http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/brcm80211 |
| 02:42.14 | hyc | jonpry: eh no luck. my 2.6.35 build reboots about 30 seconds in. no way to preserve the console output |
| 02:42.56 | jonpry | CONFIG_ZONE_HOLES? |
| 02:43.34 | hyc | well I started with make htc_msm_android_defconfig |
| 02:43.45 | hyc | so shouldn't that already have been set? lemme check... |
| 02:44.01 | jonpry | something seems wrong with the config |
| 02:44.17 | hyc | there's no CONFIG_ZONE_HOLES in my .config |
| 02:45.38 | hyc | you're building for NAND tho right? |
| 02:45.45 | hyc | can you show me your .config? |
| 02:45.51 | jonpry | er HOLES_IN_ZONE |
| 02:45.58 | jonpry | no i don't use nand |
| 02:46.07 | hyc | ok. yes, that's set |
| 02:46.38 | jonpry | i'm not on my computer right now so i don't have the configs handy. i did the memory model differently to get it to work. then emwe did something new, but he doesn't have rhod to test |
| 02:46.52 | hyc | hmmm |
| 02:47.05 | hyc | I guess I can read the commit logs and back up a few |
| 02:47.51 | jonpry | maybe disable HOLES_IN_ZONE |
| 02:48.04 | jonpry | that will change the memory model to something more like what i did |
| 02:48.24 | jonpry | i basically through out tons of ram and just set ebi0 and ebi1 size to 64MB |
| 02:49.00 | hyc | well that sounds like no fun. system won't have enough to be useful will it? |
| 02:49.05 | jonpry | you don't have ram console for the output? |
| 02:49.30 | hyc | mmm I dunno, have never used that to my knowledge |
| 02:49.45 | jonpry | i dunno we can get the ram back later. but really whats the difference between 128MB and 164 or whatever |
| 02:52.24 | hyc | ok I'll try removing that |
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