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15:57.20Cotullahey Alex
16:05.54emwejonpry: you around?
16:06.23jonpryyeah
16:06.46emwejonpry: just trying your discharge proposal, but in batter smem itself
16:06.56emwedunno if i get everything right.
16:08.19Cotullathis cookie is to hard to eat
16:09.07jonpryemwe, is it working?
16:09.21jonpryfedex is hard to deal with :(
16:09.35emwejonpry: freezing using battery_charging_ctrl(DISABLE); after ~26 seconds on boot.
16:09.57emwejonpry: using htc_battery_set_charging(DISABLE); reading and enabling later on results in the same values.
16:10.31jonpryprobably need a delay between disable and read
16:10.56emwe50ms should be enough?
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16:11.16jonprymaybe,
16:11.36emwegot none after the dex comm like the initial dex.
16:11.39emweretrying.
16:11.47jonprydoes cc go down when you disable?
16:11.51emwebtw, hom many hours do you get roughly?
16:11.58emwewill query cc also.
16:12.01emweone sec.
16:12.04jonpryi get like 80 now
16:12.09emwehmpfs!
16:12.26jonpryby not running wistilt2 pm.c
16:12.31emwei get 14 on .35. there must be something draining. dunno what .27 brings on topa. not that much better iirc.
16:13.11jonprymust not be really collapsing
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16:15.58emwejonpry: it does. debugged that with vibrates. got it every 5 secs. what i see though is times of activity and sometimes a little stack trace which looks like scbs prevents suspend.
16:16.12emwehttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/12183048/htctopaz/dot35/captures/2011-04-11-topa100-dot35-batt-2.png
16:16.23emwethat is from 11:30pm till the morning.
16:16.37emwethose awake times (according to android) really confuse me.
16:17.30jonprywhen i run wistilt2 pm.c. everything indicates it is collapsing except power drain
16:17.57Willdemwe: Very odd that they are so irregular :o
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16:18.15emweWilld: very odd they happen when i sleep :)
16:18.33emwejonpry: so huh? pc works but the drain is present?
16:18.55emwejonpry: bad thing is i only have topa for comparison. (apart from the raph which has no .35 support yet)
16:18.58Willdemwe: No sync? (Dumb question, but hey!)
16:19.05Alex[sp3dev]emwe: did i tell you i had 35 fps in neocore? )))
16:19.29emweAlex[sp3dev]: sheesh. you toast eggs on your kovs? ;)
16:19.39WilldAlex[sp3dev]: Holy smokes, how'd you manage that?
16:19.47Alex[sp3dev]emwe: no, just cheating. used 240x400 resolution
16:19.49emweAlex[sp3dev]: i guess halfres?
16:19.53jonpryemwe, yes. there is some weird stuff with msm_pm_collapse  though. afaict its possible to look like its collapsing but not happen
16:19.54emwehaha
16:20.26jonprythat code just waits for weird interrupt then resumes. it has no idea if power actually went away
16:20.29emwejonpry: so you use stock .27 values which just disables 5 of 7 A11S clocks and doesn't enable memory back bias?
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16:20.56Alex[sp3dev]jonpry: why do you think kovs drains one battery percent in 4 minutes? some gpio leaking?
16:21.02jonpryjust stock
16:21.19jonpryAlex[sp3dev], what is the current measurment?
16:21.52jonpryis that 15%/hour, is 6 hour life, so ~300ma?
16:22.06Alex[sp3dev]jonpry: about that, will find a dmesg
16:22.10jonpryi think that is low for panel on, a11 full speed
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16:22.28Alex[sp3dev]really? how much does your phone last?
16:22.43Cotullahey Alex
16:22.43jonpryplaying angry birds, like maybe 3
16:22.48Cotullawhy it so glamour? :P
16:22.50Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: hi
16:22.58Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: because it's sony ericsson
16:23.03Cotullaow
16:23.09CotullaI shocked
16:23.16Cotullathis glamour keys
16:23.18Cotullaand etcv
16:23.22Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: but do agree, leds are cool
16:23.34Cotullawhere are they>
16:23.52Alex[sp3dev]go to settings->system->illumination
16:24.39Alex[sp3dev]jonpry: yeah, current is from 250 to 380 on average
16:25.34Jhintacotulla Q, how can i make sure that my phone does boot from mmcblk1 keep ketting kernel panic and then my sdcard gets mounted ( after cmdline) , any info on this?
16:25.49Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: so what are you going to do with xperia?
16:26.20emweAlex[sp3dev]: you got red, green and blue leds, yap? those 3 colors?
16:26.21jonpryAlex[sp3dev], thats terrible if phone is sleeping, but reasonable for heavy use. i did some measurements on winmo and found with panel on it does some kind of idle sleep that results in like 50ma
16:26.30CotullaAlex ,dunno
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16:26.36Cotullaable to insert battery at the end
16:26.38Cotullait was wrong side
16:27.05Alex[sp3dev]emwe: yeah, 3 colors, 4 leds.. actually you can load pattern scripts to control them independently and set brightness level for each color channel
16:27.24Cotullalol and where leds
16:27.44Alex[sp3dev]two at the top, two at the bottom on the top part of slider
16:27.52Alex[sp3dev]they're invisible when off
16:27.54emwejonpry: panel idle sleep? there's some hints in the novatec docs which allows for perf tuning wether it's still, "middle" or fast moving frames. you mean that?
16:28.37Cotullacan't find them lol
16:29.07jonpryemwe, i think it collapses processor even when panel is on
16:29.41CotullaAlex it was updated up to WM65?
16:29.42Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5564/img2201.png
16:29.46Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: nope
16:29.55emwejonpry: ah yes, that what doesn't work for me at least. that is why i had to put the idle wakelock in battsmem. otherwise it would endlessly loop through msm_sleep() collapse code and return immedeately and sooner or later freeze
16:30.24emwejonpry: some irq or whatever brings arm11 it out of pc state immedeately.
16:30.44emweon .27 it seems some other idle wakelock is present which prevents just that behaviour.
16:30.52Cotullaoh I saw them
16:30.56Cotullathey are too dieep
16:30.58Cotulladeep
16:31.09Alex[sp3dev]they're cool
16:31.25Cotullagood one
16:31.26Cotullayes
16:31.26Cotulla;)
16:31.38Alex[sp3dev]what about doing a cool bling-bling and use them as vu meter in a player?
16:31.48Cotulla)))
16:32.11Cotullaglamur
16:32.12Alex[sp3dev]do fft inside qdsp5 audmgr in kernel and use them whenever sound is played lol
16:32.15Cotullasilver
16:32.51Cotulladunno that I can do with it
16:33.40Alex[sp3dev]i should notice that wl1251 driver in 2.6.35.7 is very buggy, will probably needs backporting from mainline. i was able to make it start after f**king to compile wpa_supplicant with nl80211 and then it crashed. something's wrong with sdio code
16:33.56Cotulla))
16:34.11Cotullalinux drivers
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16:34.19Cotullau know they are crazy
16:34.29Alex[sp3dev]but i want to make it work. first of all, it's in kernel, not a separate module. and then, with some pathes you can do packet injection and use it in master mode
16:35.04Alex[sp3dev]yeah.. linux needs a stable api.. refactoring is a waste of manpower ;)
16:35.18gauner1986hey guys
16:35.27Cotullamaybe convert all drivers to
16:35.30Cotullaioctl scheme
16:35.40Cotullawhen u have stable set of IOCTL codes + structures
16:36.19Alex[sp3dev]no.. just migrate to freebsd or netbsd
16:37.01Cotullato evils?
16:37.10Cotullabut they maybe friendly]
16:37.12Cotullawho knows
16:37.46Cotullabut u should care about trident position
16:37.59Alex[sp3dev]what?
16:38.05Cotullaif something goes wrong to able move ur foots away
16:38.14Cotullaevils have trident
16:38.18Cotullaright?
16:38.18Alex[sp3dev]i know a perfect solution
16:38.40Alex[sp3dev]stop fucking with kernel, buy off-the-shelf device and develop in userland
16:38.41Cotullahttp://newine.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/brass-trident-on-stand.jpg
16:38.44Cotullaexample
16:39.20Cotullaor use abstract layers
16:39.25Cotullafor code
16:41.04Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds-10/martian-art-project-sunset.jpg?
16:41.41Cotullawhat is it?
16:41.45Cotullabsd hacking room?
16:41.50Alex[sp3dev]yep
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17:44.09GNUtooAlex[sp3dev], hi
17:44.30Alex[sp3dev]GNUtoo: hi. i have bad news for you
17:44.35GNUtooyes?
17:44.55GNUtoowhich ones?
17:45.36Alex[sp3dev]GNUtoo: i have compiled wpa_supplicant with nl80211. that made wl1251 recognize in android. but then it printed numerous -110 errors, error in sdio INTRx and BUG()ged in some sdio c file
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17:46.21GNUtooand?
17:46.38GNUtoodid you get furthurer?
17:46.42GNUtoophone ringing
17:46.47Alex[sp3dev]dunno. i have applied the elp sdio readb patch, but it crashed with it already applied
17:47.01Alex[sp3dev]should i try with power saving off?
17:49.15GNUtoo??? you didn't try without PSM???
17:49.18GNUtooyes of course
17:49.25Alex[sp3dev]oh my
17:49.26GNUtoosince it doesn't work with it for me
17:49.28Alex[sp3dev]i'll try
17:49.29GNUtooit can't for you
17:49.42Alex[sp3dev]anyway that's flawed and need to be fixed
17:49.43GNUtooiwconfig wlan0 power off
17:49.48GNUtooyes
17:49.53GNUtoobut one step at the time
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17:56.36Alex[sp3dev]ok, does not hang now but displays very low signal and does not get dhcp. but according to the dmesg, receives beacons
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18:52.47emwe[acl]: happy late bday!
18:55.24[acl]emwe: no ur early.. its actually this wed
18:55.27[acl]my party was sat tho
18:55.29[acl]this past sat
18:55.31[acl]:-p
18:55.37emweouch, sorry.
18:55.44[acl]its all good
18:55.48[acl]ur the first so feel good
18:56.01emweso enjoyed the weekend i hope.
18:58.38[acl]it was ok.. still have another party on wed the company is throwing me
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18:58.48[acl]so plenty of time to party
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18:59.54[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: hey.. sup dood.. you famous yet ? i saw alot of people clone your LK
19:00.04Alex[sp3dev][acl]: poopy poopday!
19:00.16Cotulladone?
19:00.25[acl]Cotulla: its been done
19:00.45Cotullaheh I draw nice components diagram
19:00.46[acl]Cotulla: now its just being butchered for fun
19:00.47Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: nothing done since last time. i have not yet booted 35 or 27 stable, so not done yet
19:01.06Cotullahow CE based MAGLDR parts will interacts each other
19:01.19Alex[sp3dev]i hate diagrams
19:01.29Cotullalooks like I will allow only win names for YAFFS2 filesystem access
19:01.50Cotullait's scheme
19:01.52Cotullanot diagram
19:01.53[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: well i dunno if you saw my port.. i had to kill a few things and mod the ptable start tempoirarily so we we are booting just fine with it. Im not making anymore changes
19:02.09Alex[sp3dev][acl]: so you've dropped tinboot, eh?
19:02.10Cotulla[acl], did u get my present?
19:02.43[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: yeah LK is now deployed in the nbh and we use fastboot to install. still neeed to update some stuff to use LK but we are all set
19:02.54Alex[sp3dev][acl]: woot
19:02.54[acl]Cotulla: no u send me a present? where ?
19:03.57Cotullayeah. did u got it? it was nice stack overflow. I cut down it from my heart
19:04.06[acl]lol
19:04.24Cotullalike Davi Jonse did it
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19:06.52Alex[sp3dev][acl]: can you spot where i cheated? http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9927/0002mo.jpg
19:07.24[acl]jesus
19:07.26Cotullapicture from HD2
19:07.27[acl]over clock gpu?
19:07.28Cotulla:P
19:07.31WilldCotulla: :D
19:07.35Cotulla:D
19:07.40Alex[sp3dev]haha, double pwnage
19:07.46WilldCotulla: Btw, fixed a friends HD2 today :p
19:07.49Alex[sp3dev][acl]: it's 240x400
19:07.55[acl]ahh
19:08.01[acl]you are upscaling ?
19:08.01Cotullahehe
19:08.02WilldCotulla: She's loving it :D
19:08.03Cotullacheater
19:08.09Cotullahaha
19:08.14Alex[sp3dev][acl]: epson chip does it, just needed to set two bits
19:08.24[acl]woa
19:08.33Cotullasharp one bit
19:08.34[acl]means you can run full sense from hero with no lag
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19:08.49Alex[sp3dev][acl]: fuck sense, my eyes are more important for me
19:08.54[acl]lol
19:08.59[acl]well this is good for cotulla
19:09.05[acl]Cotulla: run sense now ?
19:09.06[acl]:-p
19:09.09Cotullano...
19:09.10Alex[sp3dev][acl]: and yes, sense is shit anyways
19:09.13WilldAlex[sp3dev]: Did you also toy with the density, to make it look even more "real"?
19:09.30Alex[sp3dev]Willd: yes, it looks 'real' in 120 dpi
19:09.39WilldAlex[sp3dev]: Any icon tearing or so?
19:09.54WilldOr do they scale properly?
19:10.16Alex[sp3dev]Willd: i'm running hdpi. well, icons didn't scale - they just disappeared in the drawer
19:10.25WilldAh..
19:11.30[acl]i think people wont care if we run a low res on the rhod .. they want sense that badly
19:11.32[acl]like animals
19:11.45Willd[acl]: /shun
19:12.12arrrghhh[acl], yea... people that want sense, really do want it.  at all costs.  for whatever god awful reason.
19:13.16[acl]arrrghhh: sup dood
19:13.46arrrghhh[acl], not much mang.  seems you had a busy weekend... settled down a little?   :P
19:14.04[acl]still need to clean up my apt.. got wild
19:14.16Alex[sp3dev][acl]: you pooped it?
19:14.51[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: i popped it yes, not pooped it :-p
19:15.06arrrghhhlol
19:15.29arrrghhhi guess it depends on the kinda parties you like to throw...
19:15.44[acl]it was actually a surprise party
19:15.50Alex[sp3dev]arrrghhh: i think he did both, he just doesn't want to confess
19:15.53[acl]i knew we were going out.. just didnt know where
19:15.59arrrghhhhahaha
19:16.14[acl]but the after party came back home
19:16.21Alex[sp3dev]and popped, and then pooped?
19:17.13[acl]well a poop is always good after a party weekend
19:17.22[acl]then.. some lk testing
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19:29.23Jhintaacl some help please ,,, i got framebuffer console working on desire hd , but trying to boot ubuntu gives kernel panic root not found and after that sd gets mounted -
19:30.05Jhintado you have any idee why  sdcard is mounted after cmdline?
19:34.31[acl]hmm .. i know nothing of ubuntu on hd. Sounds like you need one of the old school guys to help
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19:36.39Jhintato bad
19:36.56Jhintatnx anyway
19:46.26hyc[acl] any fedback on new ril stuff?
19:47.02hycif you grabbed my init/rootfs patches along with ril initpppd branch then it should all be working fine from NAND
19:50.32[acl]hyc: sorry bro i havent even looked at it.. ive been too busy..
19:50.41hycok, just wondering
19:50.44[acl]hyc: also we dont run rootfs so ill most likely just need the ril
19:51.24hycwell, you'll need updated init binary, init.rc, and /etc/ppp in addition to ril
19:51.57[acl]hyc: ahh ic... then ill need my hands on that init binary. has there been any serious testing going on?
19:52.11hycapart from myself, probably not
19:52.30hycbut I'm using it on mine now, and it's now my primary phone
19:52.45[acl]arrrghhh: you test this bad boy out?
19:52.51hyc(now that the freezes/crashes are fixed, I've swapped my primary SIM out of my G1)
19:53.13arrrghhhyea on haret
19:53.16arrrghhhworks like a champ
19:53.26[acl]arrrghhh: any talks to stine about including it then ?
19:53.31arrrghhhnetloc works, supposedly basic MMS does as well - just need some frameworks updates
19:53.43[acl]ahh ic
19:53.43arrrghhh[acl], he's been notified about it, merge requests have been made.
19:54.18[acl]hmm.. ok..
19:54.20arrrghhhhe might be waiting until it gets more stable.  there was a period of time there where updates were more than daily.
19:54.31arrrghhhhyc, seems like you've squashed most of the RIL-related bugs tho no?
19:54.36hycyep
19:54.39arrrghhhi'm not sure what you've got left on the docket to be honest.
19:54.47hyctho it looks like I broke DTMF for fake GSM
19:54.48[acl]well how close are we to stable ?
19:55.09hycat this point the only thing I saw to investigate was call waiting, and world phone support
19:55.15arrrghhhi think for the individual modes it's there.  the 'world' phone folk seems like it needs some more work
19:55.25arrrghhh(the guys that use their CDMA phones as GSM)
19:55.29hycmaybe also pin codes
19:55.39arrrghhhhyc, i need to test call waiting
19:55.53arrrghhhthat was an outstanding issue on the stock RIL, never tested it on your fandangled new one.
19:56.01hycI never have either
19:56.10arrrghhhAFAIK it was always fine for GSM
19:56.14hycI seem to recall that there's an "if(isgsm)" there
19:56.19hycand CDMA is no-op
19:56.21arrrghhhlol yea
19:56.36arrrghhhyou think it's still like that?  is it worth it for me to test?
19:56.51hycI haven't changed that code so it is probably still like that
19:57.08hycwill have to get another rilspy log from mizofizo
19:57.14hycor activate my Hero
19:57.52arrrghhhanything useful i can try?
19:58.03arrrghhhor just try and see if it works at all
19:58.12hyclemme check the code 1 sec
19:58.57hychm, there's no isgsm test there
19:58.59hycso give it a shot
20:05.17arrrghhhk 1sec.  it'll probably kick me off, so i'll brb.
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20:24.44jonpryhi WisTilt2
20:30.18WisTilt2hey Jonpry. still running your older scbs with all my latest kernel stuff, 17ma in sleep and a very accurate battery %.  working on something else so havent tried your new stuff yet.
20:32.24WisTilt2took one of my phones down to under 20% then full charge a couple times, made a new model from that data and batt % is excellent across all levels of drain.
20:33.11jonpryit seems to generally work
20:33.26jonpryi've never heard of anyone saying the reading are bs or anything
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20:34.12jonpry[acl] did you know that .27 git is broken for rhodium and has been for the past month?
20:34.27[acl]jonpry: i didnt know.. whats up?
20:34.48jonprybluetooth LPM commits broke power collapse
20:35.05jonpryread comments on glemsom site
20:35.23[acl]jonpry: i havent looked at that site in ages.. damn..
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20:35.26arrrghhhyea i haven't heard from JB on that.  i thought he was going to clean up that code...
20:35.56[acl]teach yall a lesson.. for commiting everything that comes in
20:36.09jonprynobody commits my patches :p
20:37.19jonpryi think we need new config option. like CONFIG_BLUETOOTH_RHOD, or at least a kernel parameter to turn it off. atm the only option is to kill bluetooth on all devices, or have PM be broken on rhodium
20:38.33[acl]hunt down the author and commiter and lets get a patch going
20:38.49[acl]fuck i used that patch too so it applies to me.. damnit i got lazy on that
20:38.52[acl]ima have to see whats up
20:38.58jonpryJB wrote it, probably bzo commit
20:39.21arrrghhh^^
20:39.28arrrghhhguaranteed
20:39.43arrrghhhi'm not sure why jb didn't put his bt stuff thru the ringer like he did cam.
20:39.48arrrghhhi guess he just expected it to work...
20:40.03jonpryits a fairly trivial patch
20:40.28jonpry[acl] its not a big deal on nand because it can be turned off by removing CONFIG_MSM_HS_SERIAL
20:40.36[acl]ahh
20:40.37[acl]ok
20:40.54[acl]jonpry: ok so u wanna write the patch and email the list ?
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20:41.36jonprysure, i just don't know what form it should take
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20:42.24[acl]<jonpry> nobody commits my patches :p <---- lol .. really? you do relize you did most of the work on sound right ?lol
20:43.17jonprythat was back in the day
20:43.27jonprynow i have scbs to shove down people throats
20:43.31arrrghhhlol
20:43.52jonpryforce fed dog food
20:44.53WisTilt2jonpry: you still have your meter taped to the phone by chance?
20:45.01jonpryno
20:45.18jonprybut i am confident in corrected scbs readings now
20:45.36WisTilt2ok nm.  was going to have to see if the 210 drew less power with another change i did.
20:46.34WisTilt2btw, I had F22 run the exact same kernel,your rootfs, frx06 on his 210 and in sleep he's drawing 31ma.
20:46.53WisTilt2same setup on my 300, just 14ma more in sleep
20:48.42WisTilt2[acl] are you guys running the same ARM11 collapse code as we are?
20:49.11[acl]prob.. but power on our end sucks badly.. but being that we have LK to work on priorities have been shifted to that..
20:50.47WisTilt2if you feel like giving it a try, right before you writel(1, A11S_PWRDOWN), set bit 0 at MSM_CSR_BASE + 0x500 and see if you draw much less.
20:51.46[acl]hmm.. that looks familiar. i wonder if its on the wince code as well
20:51.56[acl]WisTilt2: ill give it a try..thanks for the tip
20:52.14WisTilt2i've been comparing what we are doing with our device and we do that, dont know about wince though
20:54.36Cotullahi WisTilt2
20:54.57WisTilt2yo Cotulla
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20:55.24Cotullau got something new about my question?
20:55.47WisTilt2which question?
20:56.18Cotullaabout outer cache ability
20:56.19[acl]Cotulla: is this you ? http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/page/1913.jpg
20:56.39Cotulla[acl]?
20:56.42[acl]:-p
20:56.49Cotullaat first I am fan of CE
20:56.55Cotullanot NT
20:56.57Cotulla:P
20:57.21[acl]Cotulla: lol ok.. but u still plant ideas like cobb
20:58.05Cotullame?
20:58.09Cotullabecause I need them
20:58.18arrrghhh[acl], lol
20:58.38arrrghhh"i need to go deeper..." BSOD!  bwhahahahaha
20:58.44gauner19861this comic is old
20:58.45gauner19861but good
20:58.46gauner19861:P
20:59.03WisTilt2Cotulla ah right.  i asked my programmer and he has no idea.  we dont do anything like that on our device so he didn't have any suggestions without going through all the docs.
20:59.15Cotullaoh ok ;)
20:59.32Cotullabut I guess qct never though about such kind of usage
20:59.33[acl]gauner19861: yeah .. a classic. But i keep telling cotulla he is like cobb. Since he plants ideas and they become something big. Like nand on the rhod.. it was really his idea..
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20:59.52Cotullayeah
20:59.54gauner19861[acl] really?
20:59.54CotullaI force
20:59.57Cotulla[acl] to work under it
21:00.03gauner19861maybe he's just bored
21:00.03arrrghhhlol.
21:00.03gauner19861:P
21:00.05Cotulla:D
21:00.18gauner19861becuase on leo nearly everything is done
21:00.19[acl]gauner19861: yeah .. it started because we were troubleshooting 3d. and his suggestion was to run on nand..
21:00.19gauner19861:P
21:00.22[acl]gauner19861: so we did
21:00.39[acl]now how is that not like inception
21:00.40[acl]lol
21:01.00Cotullayeah
21:03.16[acl]gauner19861: now that i think about it.. maybe he is bored and just messing with us
21:03.19[acl]lol
21:03.33gauner19861you have to go deeper
21:03.34gauner19861;)
21:03.51WilldInception-y *_*
21:03.54Cotullaheh>
21:04.12Cotullawe gotta cover GSM RHO and GSM TPZ
21:04.24Cotullaas well I guess RHO_W must not be called RHO
21:04.36[acl]yeah .. gsm is all you buddy
21:04.40[acl]lol
21:04.44Cotullabecause it's just some kind of resemblance to real RHO
21:04.54Cotullareal RHO is GSM RHO
21:04.55Cotulla:P
21:05.12[acl]yup.. real rho is gsm. We have a bastard rho
21:05.36CotullaRHO_W
21:05.48[acl]:-p
21:06.00[acl]anyways.. i gotta jet.. glad to be of entertainment :-)
21:06.13Cotullaket?
21:06.22Cotullawhere is ur jet pack
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21:23.24gauner19861hm, customs laws are funny.. you gotta pay taxes for ipods, but not for digital cameras.. wtf.. ^^
21:24.34phh"my ipod can do camera !"
21:24.52gauner19861:D
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21:31.29hasiwhat would be the anwser?
21:31.34hasibuy this: http://www.amazon.com/Kodak-EasyShare-Digital-Camera-Purple/dp/B003VTZE2G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302557413&sr=8-1
21:31.41hasiand port a linux kernel on it ;D
21:31.54hasicamera with facebook upload function *gg*
21:32.54hasimay camera with gsm module will come very soon ^^
21:37.20phhcamera + 3G + 5" screen qHD+ tegra2
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21:43.05gauner19861tegra2-fan here?
21:43.07gauner19861;)
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21:44.27fakkerfan or user?
21:45.25phhgauner19861: me ? not at all.
21:45.46phhI mean, I only own 2 tegra devices.
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21:46.28fakkerwhat you got phh?
21:46.39phh2 ac100
21:47.00fakkertoshiba?
21:48.01phhyeah
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21:50.25fakkeri got pov mobi, or whatever it's called in your country
21:50.37fakkerthe one with the shit awful screen viewing angle
21:50.47phhthat doesn't help much
21:51.43fakkerhelp what ?
21:51.54phhme to know what it is
21:51.58fakker:D
21:52.04fakkergtab?
21:52.18phhah
21:52.24fakkermalata
21:52.24phhthat rings some bell
21:55.05fakker10", 1ghz tegra2
21:55.08fakkershit awful screen
21:55.27fakkerit's ok for personal use - just if you want to show someone something; you'll be best off handing it to them
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21:56.25raymonddullvery nice,how much?
21:56.26raymonddulllol
21:56.43raymonddulldid anyone get the movie reference?
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22:00.30undadogwich os are you using on your hd2 for daily usage?
22:00.51arrrghhhundadog, this isn't a channel for chat.  please, go to #htc-linux-chat.
22:01.29undadogwasn't meant for public... my fault.. :D
22:01.47arrrghhhwhat?  this is a kernel development channel.
22:02.08undadogsry
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