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| 02:48.20 | jonpry | am i the only one that is having trouble with freenode? |
| 02:48.48 | DcMedic | what u mean? |
| 02:49.10 | DcMedic | I've been logged on for about 5 hours without a disconnect |
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| 02:55.09 | jonpry | hey arrrghhh |
| 02:55.13 | arrrghhh | sir |
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| 02:55.22 | arrrghhh | how goes it |
| 02:55.43 | jonpry | i made new kernel that does not give fubar measurements or kill your battery |
| 02:55.52 | arrrghhh | go on... |
| 02:56.03 | jonpry | had to disable bluetooth |
| 02:56.07 | arrrghhh | heh |
| 02:56.18 | jonpry | whats the deal with userland bluetooth? |
| 02:56.25 | arrrghhh | i haven't heard much from jb |
| 02:56.38 | arrrghhh | he kinda does his own thing until he feels he has something solid it seems |
| 02:56.42 | jonpry | so its just not in xdandroid at all? |
| 02:56.45 | arrrghhh | not yet |
| 02:57.24 | jonpry | ah |
| 02:57.46 | jonpry | i think that driver may prevent power collapse |
| 02:57.53 | jonpry | at least without the userland portion |
| 02:58.15 | arrrghhh | interesting |
| 02:58.26 | arrrghhh | hope to see some userland magic soon. |
| 02:58.58 | rpierce99 | jonpry: i let your stuff run all day, sleeping as normal, and it seems to be working great for me |
| 02:59.12 | rpierce99 | i think Cb ended up being like 83 or something |
| 02:59.33 | jonpry | i think you have an old kernel, from before i merged in bluetooth |
| 02:59.41 | rpierce99 | probably |
| 02:59.49 | rpierce99 | i didn't know if you had updated zImage on your site |
| 02:59.57 | jonpry | rpierce99, you get 83 with -nr being really small? |
| 03:00.12 | rpierce99 | i didn't play with -nr at all |
| 03:00.53 | jonpry | i was doing like -nr .00000000000001 |
| 03:01.40 | jonpry | gets me up to Cb=152 |
| 03:02.44 | jonpry | i also have an amd64 binary that makes it much faster to test options |
| 03:02.52 | rpierce99 | there really isn't a lot of documentation for the fancy scbs options :P i just used the commands you posted yesterday |
| 03:05.04 | jonpry | scbs --help |
| 03:05.19 | rpierce99 | haha, who woulda thought |
| 03:05.20 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 03:05.25 | jonpry | right now i am messing with -lr |
| 03:05.31 | arrrghhh | i don't think this is jonpry's first rodeo :P |
| 03:06.06 | rpierce99 | i should have figured that the help pages came before the spinning line |
| 03:06.32 | jonpry | everybody likes a spinning line |
| 03:07.45 | jonpry | i once wrote an install program where we had no idea how long anything would take or what was going on really |
| 03:07.46 | jonpry | so i made this progress bar thats like your worst nightmare |
| 03:07.50 | jonpry | it starts going, and just slows down in such a way that it will never actually reach the end |
| 03:08.33 | rpierce99 | you couldn't just use one of the microsoft-esque progress bar that just loops around and starts over? |
| 03:08.53 | jonpry | this was before they came out with that |
| 03:08.57 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 03:11.52 | jonpry | anyways, -lr is the key to the whole deal. need that as low as possible |
| 03:12.13 | rpierce99 | did you say there is a -lr REAL option |
| 03:12.56 | jonpry | by setting it to -lr 0.00000001 i am able to get the rate of charge constrained to something realistic |
| 03:13.48 | jonpry | however sleep discharge is way out of line |
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| 03:18.58 | jonpry | yeah some real number |
| 03:18.58 | jonpry | it can be in the config file too |
| 03:18.58 | jonpry | trouble is the measurements are no good |
| 03:18.58 | jonpry | like i am getting stuff like this in sleep. 4368,23827267545616,3.932443,68.532628,0.166742,0.019989,0.172989,3.907772,64.633434 |
| 03:18.59 | jonpry | so current draw is 166.742 milliamperes |
| 03:19.00 | jonpry | and i think that is maybe even 10 times higher than it really is |
| 03:24.32 | jonpry | then again maybe it really is just that bad with quickwake |
| 03:24.32 | jonpry | 10 hours of battery life does not sound like happiness to me |
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| 03:38.24 | jonpry | rpierce99, have you gotten more than 10 hours of life? |
| 03:38.41 | rpierce99 | yeah, on WisTilt2s kernels |
| 03:38.51 | rpierce99 | after panel collaps |
| 03:38.53 | rpierce99 | e |
| 03:42.16 | jonpry | iirc i got ~20 on glemsom before panel collapse |
| 03:42.59 | rpierce99 | maybe fully sleeping, normal usage before panel collapse i couldn't go from 8am to 5pm |
| 03:43.58 | rpierce99 | but some have reported ~.5%/hr with newer kernels |
| 03:46.06 | jonpry | i am confused though. isn't panel collapse in glemsom now? |
| 03:46.17 | rpierce99 | yes |
| 03:46.39 | rpierce99 | i just haven't used glemsom kernels recently |
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| 14:21.44 | Cotulla | ~seen Markinus |
| 14:22.00 | apt | markinus <~Miranda@212.255.17.191> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 9d 18h 30m 59s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
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| 14:56.59 | gauner1986 | hi Cotulla |
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| 15:00.43 | fakker | http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/03/try-viewsonic-viewpad-for-free-uk/ |
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| 15:34.02 | jonpry | hi [acl] |
| 15:34.28 | [acl] | jonpry: sup dood.. |
| 15:35.13 | jonpry | just attacking the battery as usual |
| 15:35.59 | phh | hey guys |
| 15:36.04 | jonpry | hi phh |
| 15:36.13 | [acl] | phh: sup dood |
| 15:36.36 | phh | jonpry: so, got your first results of your battery harvesting ? |
| 15:37.37 | jonpry | i've been harvesting data for some time. i can actually use the program now though |
| 15:37.49 | phh | yeah but it works ? :p |
| 15:38.01 | [acl] | jonpry: im so behind.. u were harvesting batt info ? |
| 15:38.14 | jonpry | i think it works. hold on i have some graphs :p |
| 15:38.36 | jonpry | the big issue is that it is using too much power during sleep |
| 15:39.42 | jonpry | [acl] i have a rootfs now that enables scbs for the masses |
| 15:39.54 | jonpry | http://imagebin.org/145363 |
| 15:40.17 | jonpry | red is dumb voltage computed state of charge. blue is soc based on predictor |
| 15:40.36 | jonpry | from there is it mostly qualitative |
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| 15:41.07 | jonpry | like you can see it goes to CV mode at about 80% soc, which is the right place :p. |
| 15:41.35 | phh | red seems more linear on discharge -_-' |
| 15:41.55 | jonpry | yeah the linearizer is not correct |
| 15:42.12 | [acl] | way over my head.. |
| 15:42.31 | phh | jonpry: so basically, just reading voltage is more precise than your code :D |
| 15:42.35 | phh | just need a low pass filter |
| 15:42.48 | jonpry | that voltage is sent through linearizer too |
| 15:42.54 | jonpry | http://gitorious.org/scbs/scbs/blobs/master/soc.cpp just needs some fixing |
| 15:42.57 | phh | ah |
| 15:43.12 | jonpry | low pass filter won't work because it makes lots of phase shift |
| 15:43.55 | jonpry | like notice the vertical line at 4700 |
| 15:43.57 | phh | jonpry: your cpu is at 73°C ? oO |
| 15:44.42 | jonpry | thats pretty cool for my laptop |
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| 15:44.57 | jonpry | afaict it has ACPI problems |
| 15:45.11 | phh | my fanless laptop doesn't goes at more than 65°C :D |
| 15:45.22 | jonpry | like 40c in windows |
| 15:45.58 | phh | (not mentioning it's a tegra one.) |
| 15:46.18 | jonpry | sandybridge is somewhat hotter |
| 15:50.38 | Ceesheim | hi Cotulla |
| 15:50.47 | Ceesheim | how is your new phone ? |
| 15:54.14 | Cotulla | no |
| 15:58.55 | Ceesheim | bummer , do you know when you will get it ? |
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| 16:03.42 | grandrew | hi all! |
| 16:04.58 | grandrew | has anybody managed to get native linux apps output sound to android? |
| 16:14.31 | jonpry | you can do it with alsa |
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| 16:17.33 | phh | ah, alsa works now ? |
| 16:17.51 | phh | jonpry: anyway grandrew doesn't mean on qualcomm stuff :D |
| 16:18.20 | phh | (and grandrew might say i'm everywhere quite soon.) |
| 16:18.32 | jonpry | lol |
| 16:19.05 | jonpry | phh why does the phone draw 200ma to wake it up 50ms output 5 seconds? |
| 16:19.15 | jonpry | s/output/out of/ |
| 16:19.16 | phh | jonpry: no clue |
| 16:20.04 | jonpry | only one way to find out |
| 16:20.36 | jonpry | throw that tegra away and get out the old rhodium |
| 16:21.03 | phh | hey |
| 16:21.06 | phh | i'm still using my rhodium |
| 16:21.34 | [acl] | ohh snap .. rhod back in action? |
| 16:21.59 | phh | for something like one or two months yes |
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| 16:25.26 | jonpry | phh you probably need to start using scbs then |
| 16:25.45 | phh | jonpry: i'm still running a 2 months old release. |
| 16:26.07 | [acl] | jonpry: whats this scbs again bro ? explain thyself |
| 16:26.16 | phh | [acl]: kalman filter on battery |
| 16:26.45 | [acl] | dayum |
| 16:26.53 | jonpry | and a set of tools to compute the parameters |
| 16:27.01 | phh | and a kalman filter is (according to some students at my school) some magic thing which inputs captors that doesn't work properly, and output proper values :D |
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| 16:28.12 | jonpry | it makes more sense in luenberger form |
| 16:28.29 | [acl] | ahh .. you saved me the trouble to wikipedia that |
| 16:29.57 | jonpry | what does inputs captors mean? |
| 16:31.41 | phh | s/captors/sensors/ |
| 16:32.17 | phh | or if the problem is "input", then I use it as a verb |
| 16:33.01 | jonpry | i dunno you can describe it with all the flashy terms for general methods that are weird. but afaict it is little more than a couple of integrators. some matrix multiplication, and a feedback loop with some filtering |
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| 16:34.26 | jonpry | i won't tell you how long it took me to figure that out |
| 16:35.57 | phh | i've been told that the guy who did that didn't even understand himself why it worked |
| 16:37.38 | phh | i don't know how true that is |
| 16:43.09 | jonpry | is it like hate on kalman day in paris? |
| 16:43.27 | phh | there is a kalman day ? |
| 16:43.39 | jonpry | you tell me |
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| 16:50.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: poop |
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| 17:04.25 | WisTilt2 | [acl]: server is back up again. power supply died on the 5volt side |
| 17:04.32 | WisTilt2 | you guys are hard on that thing! |
| 17:05.14 | arrrghhh | hard on the PS? |
| 17:05.15 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 17:06.07 | WisTilt2 | hi arrrghhh. yeah must have it under high load all the time lol. it happens, sometimes they decide to die for no reason. |
| 17:06.38 | phh | does anyone know/remember where is the serial port on snapdragon devices ? |
| 17:06.51 | phh | I think I remember someone mentioned it's on usb data pins on some condition |
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| 17:07.55 | arrrghhh | eh, some of our servers like to blow PS's. mostly the cisco 'appliance' servers from IBM... not sure what's up with that, IBM used to make great servers. Our callmanager/unity hardware is crap. |
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| 17:08.35 | phh | PS are not big deal |
| 17:08.36 | jonpry | hi WisTilt2 |
| 17:08.40 | phh | if you have someone to change them |
| 17:09.14 | jonpry | WisTilt2, i am finding that quickwake every 5 seconds is using 200ma |
| 17:09.36 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: howdy. damn, its drawing 200ma when running?? |
| 17:09.58 | jonpry | yeah i don't get it |
| 17:09.58 | phh | WisTilt2: 200mA is the mean value. |
| 17:10.18 | phh | ah I thought WisTilt2 was ironic |
| 17:10.40 | jonpry | if i wake it up constantly, it only draws 400 |
| 17:11.34 | WisTilt2 | how long is it awake during each 5s reading? |
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| 17:11.46 | jonpry | i think like 50ms |
| 17:11.49 | jonpry | maybe 100 |
| 17:12.06 | WisTilt2 | did you actually measure that it was drawing that much? |
| 17:12.37 | jonpry | sort of. thats what smem says. and battery life is consistent with that result |
| 17:12.49 | jonpry | i get somewhat less than 10 hours of collapse time |
| 17:13.33 | jonpry | and i was able to reproduce your freezing on wake |
| 17:13.42 | WisTilt2 | any changes since the last source you sent me? ill build a kernel with it and test it on the device we have with the fluke in line |
| 17:14.03 | jonpry | you have to disable bluetooth, or it won't work |
| 17:14.11 | jonpry | and download my rootfs |
| 17:14.27 | WisTilt2 | yeah the BT commit messed up a lot of stuff i think |
| 17:14.38 | jonpry | probably easiest if you just use my zimage and rootfs |
| 17:14.50 | jonpry | i think BT prevents collapse |
| 17:14.52 | WisTilt2 | ok send it and ill set it up on the test device |
| 17:15.20 | jonpry | http://pastebin.com/kernel/zImage |
| 17:15.24 | WisTilt2 | BT keeps cycling microp from what i found, microp suspend/resume cycles over and over |
| 17:15.26 | jonpry | er |
| 17:15.32 | jonpry | http://prymfg.com/kernel/zImage |
| 17:15.49 | jonpry | http://prymfg.com/kernel/rootfs.img |
| 17:16.25 | WisTilt2 | ok got it. anything else i need to do other than just boot and let it run? |
| 17:16.45 | jonpry | WisTilt2, is it possible bt is just waking the phone as soon as it sleeps? thats what i found was happening |
| 17:16.49 | jonpry | no just run it |
| 17:17.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: maybe bt should be changed to disable wakeup if not explicitely requested by userspace? |
| 17:17.41 | jonpry | that would be a start |
| 17:18.46 | WisTilt2 | shouldn't bt stay alive in sleep though to keep any pairing up, otherwise it would have to reconnect everytime |
| 17:19.15 | jonpry | it should be able to wake the phone |
| 17:19.18 | Alex[sp3dev] | no it shouldnt because bt sucks and no one uses it.. oops.. ok, shutting up |
| 17:19.23 | jonpry | but right now it doesn't even work |
| 17:19.29 | Willd | Alex[sp3dev]: So bitter! |
| 17:19.35 | WisTilt2 | lol, i agree, i never use bt myself |
| 17:19.35 | jonpry | i like this. set_irq_type(irq, host_wake ? IRQF_TRIGGER_LOW : IRQF_TRIGGER_HIGH); |
| 17:19.56 | jonpry | isn't that same as IRQF_TRIGGER_EDGE ? |
| 17:20.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: well. it's all over htc code |
| 17:20.13 | arrrghhh | Alex[sp3dev], lol i don't use BT a lot either... but some use it religiously. always have that silly thing in their ear. |
| 17:21.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: lol. last time i used BT was like 5 years ago |
| 17:21.16 | jonpry | something is just broken with it. maybe because firmware is not loaded. but it triggers that host_wake as soon as it goes to sleep |
| 17:22.01 | jonpry | might as well just set a wake lock when bluetooth is on, because all it will do is blow up your phone when it goes to sleep |
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| 17:31.38 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: you have BT gone out of this kernel? |
| 17:31.42 | jonpry | yep |
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| 17:38.49 | hyc | WisTilt2: hey, do you know how to retrieve all the data to respond to RIL_REQUEST_CDMA_SUBSCRIPTION ? |
| 17:38.59 | hyc | I have a couple pieces worked out, but not complete |
| 17:39.50 | hyc | 5 fields in the response, I know which commands provide 1, 4, and 5 |
| 17:41.28 | rpierce99 | the ones you need are a comma seperated list of H_SID and H_NID then |
| 17:41.48 | hyc | yep |
| 17:42.07 | WisTilt2 | hyc what cmds are you currently sending? |
| 17:42.24 | rpierce99 | is H_SID the first return value from HTC_BSINFO? |
| 17:42.38 | WisTilt2 | bsinfo is sid,nid,bid |
| 17:42.40 | WisTilt2 | order |
| 17:42.47 | hyc | yes |
| 17:43.00 | hyc | but bsinfo is for the current network |
| 17:43.04 | rpierce99 | so wouldn't that be 2 and 3 then? |
| 17:43.07 | hyc | H_SID / H_NID is for "home" |
| 17:43.12 | rpierce99 | ah |
| 17:44.04 | hyc | at+HTC_NAM_SEL? returns some info |
| 17:44.05 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: we're not seeing any high drain when scbs runs, briefly hits around 80ma but so quick it barely registers |
| 17:44.13 | hyc | and AT+RSINFO? returns the PRL |
| 17:44.36 | jonpry | WisTilt2, can you send me /sdcard/scbs.log? |
| 17:44.46 | hyc | oops. AT+HTC_RSINFO? |
| 17:45.00 | WisTilt2 | yep, ill email it shortly |
| 17:45.26 | hyc | well, I'll just go with that for now, and leave guesses for the other fields |
| 17:45.53 | rpierce99 | we'll essentially never be roaming then? or will it store the first so whatever we're on at first is considered "home" |
| 17:46.29 | hyc | no. the modem tells us when we're roaming, so it knows. |
| 17:46.43 | rpierce99 | hm, wonder what the home stuff is used for then |
| 17:46.57 | hyc | dunno. may not be crucial to get it right |
| 17:47.06 | hyc | at least, not at this stage ;) |
| 17:50.07 | WisTilt2 | hyc, you should be getting something like this returned -> RIL_REQUEST_CDMA_SUBSCRIPTION {3974550022, 14, 3, 3974673421} |
| 17:50.20 | hyc | yeah |
| 17:50.25 | hyc | working on it ;) |
| 17:51.11 | hyc | oh btw. now that I've figured out how Android decides whether to use CDMA or GSM, we may be able to get rid of the force_cdma option in startup.txt. eventually. |
| 17:52.02 | WisTilt2 | jonpry, log sent |
| 17:53.11 | jonpry | WisTilt2, yours looks like ~35ma |
| 17:53.46 | WisTilt2 | sound close. fluke sees max 80ma but hard to get accurate reading that quick. |
| 17:54.09 | jonpry | so why is my phone 5 times higher? |
| 17:54.22 | WisTilt2 | its not a rhod 300, the golden rhod:) |
| 17:54.33 | WisTilt2 | you testing on your 210 right? |
| 17:54.33 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 17:54.37 | jonpry | yeah 210 |
| 17:55.19 | WisTilt2 | i have no oc or anything right now, just your kernel,rootfs, and frx06 system |
| 17:55.34 | jonpry | must be (rhod>=300)?rhod/10:rhod |
| 17:56.17 | WisTilt2 | is your battery draining quickly like it really is drawing 200ma? |
| 17:56.21 | jonpry | yes |
| 17:56.38 | WisTilt2 | hmm, well that rules out bad smem reading then |
| 17:57.03 | WisTilt2 | same thing on others like rhod 400? |
| 17:57.29 | jonpry | not sure. i had assumed it was all phones |
| 17:57.48 | rpierce99 | jonpry: you want my logs from yesterday? |
| 17:57.55 | jonpry | rpierce99, please |
| 17:59.00 | rpierce99 | hmmmm, too big for pastebin |
| 17:59.06 | rpierce99 | dropbox! |
| 17:59.21 | jonpry | just need a section from sleep |
| 17:59.46 | rpierce99 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50423/scbs.log |
| 18:01.57 | jonpry | something is wrong with your kernel |
| 18:02.07 | rpierce99 | it's the old one you said |
| 18:02.19 | WisTilt2 | [acl]: Ping! |
| 18:03.10 | jonpry | so hard to tell what is happening |
| 18:03.20 | jonpry | looks like rpierce99 is at 40ma 3/4 of the time |
| 18:03.43 | jonpry | then the other 1/4 there are 2 measurements with same time stamp, and a ~150ma reading |
| 18:04.37 | WisTilt2 | could be something else was busy using cpu during those readings to account for higher draw? |
| 18:05.13 | WisTilt2 | network change or something ril related could account for that |
| 18:05.17 | rpierce99 | the beginning of that log my processor was likely pegged, i was restoring from titanium backup |
| 18:05.33 | rpierce99 | but after about an hour it should have just been sleeping 99% of the time |
| 18:05.47 | jonpry | rpierce99, can you try a new kernel? |
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| 18:08.09 | jonpry | i think rpierce99 will end up in 40ma |
| 18:08.21 | rpierce99 | yeah i'll download from your earlier link |
| 18:08.31 | jonpry | and i will be screwed by my own code |
| 18:09.14 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 18:09.19 | jonpry | really just need like a minute of sleep at most and we can tell what is happening |
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| 18:21.10 | rpierce99 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50423/scbs.log |
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| 18:21.42 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh: do you know if the EVO Shift from sprint can run android? |
| 18:21.50 | arrrghhh | what? |
| 18:21.53 | arrrghhh | it is an android device |
| 18:21.56 | arrrghhh | you mean the arrive? |
| 18:21.59 | WisTilt2 | oh |
| 18:22.11 | arrrghhh | HTC Arrive is WP7 |
| 18:22.19 | arrrghhh | basically a tp3, without the GSM radio. |
| 18:22.37 | WisTilt2 | no, just looking at their devices. we're going to go ahead and get 1 with service so we can test easier in house |
| 18:22.52 | WisTilt2 | arrive is an ok one then? |
| 18:23.12 | WisTilt2 | or we probably should get a world phone to test everything |
| 18:23.23 | arrrghhh | tp2 |
| 18:23.24 | arrrghhh | RHOD400 |
| 18:23.28 | arrrghhh | they still sell the bitch |
| 18:23.34 | WisTilt2 | they do? |
| 18:23.36 | arrrghhh | yup |
| 18:23.40 | arrrghhh | $199 on a 2yr |
| 18:23.41 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 18:23.56 | arrrghhh | you can get a used one for ~$150 i'd think |
| 18:24.10 | arrrghhh | maybe less even, but then you start running into questionable quality... |
| 18:24.15 | WisTilt2 | ok that sounds better then since you're familiar with it. my ril programmer really needs an in house cdma device |
| 18:24.33 | arrrghhh | yea |
| 18:24.40 | arrrghhh | you going to run it without service? |
| 18:24.47 | WisTilt2 | no we'll get service on it |
| 18:24.49 | arrrghhh | cdma will work, but i can't imagine data would connect |
| 18:24.51 | arrrghhh | oh ok. |
| 18:25.03 | WisTilt2 | need the whole enchilada |
| 18:25.07 | arrrghhh | you are dedicated to this project, i really do appreciate all you do sir ;) |
| 18:25.25 | WisTilt2 | that way he can test all the cdma stuff then we can put the ril out for you guys to test on a larger scale |
| 18:25.46 | arrrghhh | sounds like a plan |
| 18:26.38 | WisTilt2 | well, we've talked over the possibility of adding cdma to our own project, which as you know is gsm only. this will just make it much easier. |
| 18:26.58 | arrrghhh | nice |
| 18:27.02 | arrrghhh | :D |
| 18:27.24 | jonpry | rpierce99, can you let it sleep for a bit longer? |
| 18:27.40 | rpierce99 | yeah let me boot back into it |
| 18:27.43 | WisTilt2 | although most of our customers are on gsm but that opens up cdma people for us |
| 18:28.42 | WisTilt2 | just need jonpry to finish prypad so we can offer that also:) |
| 18:29.06 | jonpry | indeed |
| 18:29.18 | arrrghhh | hehe |
| 18:29.22 | arrrghhh | i want me a prypad |
| 18:29.23 | arrrghhh | :D |
| 18:29.32 | Alex[sp3dev] | prypad? me too |
| 18:29.35 | jonpry | WisTilt2, you don't happen to have inhouse bga rework? |
| 18:29.47 | WisTilt2 | nope |
| 18:30.45 | jonpry | i seem to have botched it pretty well |
| 18:30.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | do you guys think it's a good idea to backup winmo settings, have a poop and then flash LK and kernel right now? |
| 18:31.05 | WisTilt2 | one of our customers does though, although i thing they send all circuit board stuff to their taiwan plant now. locally they just design |
| 18:36.25 | ORi|ON | Question: Why doesn't Gingerbread have that task switcher bar anymore (like in Froyo) ? |
| 18:37.52 | arrrghhh | ORi|ON, der... what? |
| 18:38.02 | arrrghhh | i don't know of any task switcher bar in froyo... |
| 18:38.05 | arrrghhh | AOSP that is |
| 18:38.58 | rpierce99 | the long press of home stuff? |
| 18:39.16 | ORi|ON | mm, let me find a pic |
| 18:39.46 | arrrghhh | ORi|ON, if you're talking about an HD2 build this really isn't the room for it... |
| 18:40.25 | ORi|ON | it's HTC, and android is linux? ^_^ |
| 18:40.39 | ORi|ON | and I'm not talking about a particular build neither |
| 18:41.06 | arrrghhh | ORi|ON, well this room is for kernel dev... |
| 18:41.20 | arrrghhh | what you're talking about is userland/build related i would think. |
| 18:41.39 | arrrghhh | i'm still curious about what you mean in froyo tho. there's no task bar that i know of in froyo, other than the notification bar which is in gb... |
| 18:41.53 | Willd | It's in Sense.. |
| 18:41.55 | ORi|ON | well, gimme a minute to find a picture |
| 18:42.00 | ORi|ON | prolly sense indeed |
| 18:42.07 | Willd | My DHD has it |
| 18:42.16 | arrrghhh | oh |
| 18:42.19 | arrrghhh | that's not AOSP ORi|ON |
| 18:42.21 | ORi|ON | I thought it was a Froyo feature |
| 18:42.26 | arrrghhh | nope. |
| 18:42.31 | ORi|ON | fine then |
| 18:42.35 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 18:42.38 | ORi|ON | i'll leave the room to move kernel related issues |
| 18:42.42 | arrrghhh | i will be that way :P |
| 18:43.49 | ORi|ON | So tell us arrrghhh, what's new in kernel land =D |
| 18:43.59 | Willd | Just about everything! |
| 18:44.02 | arrrghhh | battery calib thanks to sir jonpry |
| 18:44.14 | Willd | arrrghhh: How's your .35 coming along? |
| 18:44.16 | arrrghhh | bt testing, which isn't going so well... but seems no one talks to jb :P |
| 18:44.20 | arrrghhh | Willd, it's... slow. |
| 18:44.26 | arrrghhh | i don't think any rhod dev has picked up that task. |
| 18:44.31 | arrrghhh | topa and kov |
| 18:44.50 | Willd | arrrghhh: Too bad :) |
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| 18:45.03 | arrrghhh | yea. it'll probably pickup soon... just who knows when. |
| 18:45.05 | Willd | Ours is coming along great, we just have to get into battery now :p |
| 18:45.18 | Willd | Radio is *killing* battery |
| 18:45.23 | arrrghhh | that sucks |
| 18:45.40 | Willd | I reckon the work that jonpry is doing can be quite useful though |
| 18:46.01 | jonpry | what device are you on? |
| 18:46.10 | Willd | Samsung i7500 |
| 18:46.12 | Willd | MSM7200a |
| 18:46.41 | Willd | (I won't say Galaxy, it creates SO much confusion) |
| 18:48.09 | WisTilt2 | jonpry you said something about fixing the wake issue earlier? |
| 18:48.20 | ORi|ON | Offtopic: But just FYI: I found what I was looking for in Gingerbread actually: holding the Home buttons pops up the task switcher. |
| 18:48.33 | jonpry | WisTilt2, disabled bluetooth |
| 18:48.35 | Willd | ORi|ON: That's AOSP though |
| 18:48.35 | arrrghhh | ORi|ON, recent apps? |
| 18:48.43 | ORi|ON | yes indeed :) |
| 18:48.43 | Willd | Been there since atleast 1.5 :) |
| 18:48.45 | arrrghhh | that applies in froyo as well dude |
| 18:48.51 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 18:48.52 | ORi|ON | well, never knew it ^.^ |
| 18:48.55 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 18:49.13 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: got ya. thought you meant occasional panel non wake |
| 18:49.22 | Willd | Humm |
| 18:49.23 | ORi|ON | I have been using Windows Mobile for the last 4 years >_< |
| 18:49.30 | Willd | WisTilt2: We have that one too :o |
| 18:49.45 | rpierce99 | jonpry: sorry forgot i was logging for you: http://pastebin.com/SZ6wMx3T |
| 18:49.47 | ORi|ON | I'm happy I switched though. But i'll stop talking about non kernel stuff now =D |
| 18:52.06 | jonpry | rpierce99, can you get a dmesg? |
| 18:52.28 | rpierce99 | already rebooted |
| 18:53.13 | jonpry | no big deal, i might be able to reproduce it on mine |
| 18:53.36 | jonpry | you are still getting these duplicate measurements which always come with lots of power usage |
| 18:53.43 | hyc | rpierce99: how many things you testing at once anyway? ;) |
| 18:53.52 | rpierce99 | lots :) |
| 18:55.18 | [acl] | WisTilt2: sup dood.. just noticed server is back up.. thanks a bunch |
| 18:55.29 | Alex[sp3dev] | the poop man is back |
| 18:55.38 | WisTilt2 | [acl]: read above? ps died |
| 18:55.49 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: and you must pay for that |
| 18:56.13 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: me ? you mean donations will pay for it :-p |
| 18:56.28 | [acl] | WisTilt2: no i didnt read sorry. i was out. PS died ? isnt this the second time ? or am i mistaken |
| 18:56.39 | WisTilt2 | [acl]: we're going to set you up on a different server this weekend. all our other servers are dual ps. |
| 18:56.50 | WisTilt2 | no last was motherboard issue |
| 18:57.04 | [acl] | ahhh |
| 18:57.18 | [acl] | WisTilt2: shit do i need to back up then ? some deliciousness in there i need to get out |
| 18:57.48 | WisTilt2 | so you'll be down for a couple hours. No, we'll just mirror the whole drive onto the other server but it will be down during that process |
| 18:58.20 | WisTilt2 | they'll do it sometime friday or saturday night after midnight pdt |
| 18:58.35 | [acl] | ahh ok |
| 18:59.14 | WisTilt2 | you might backup just in case. they basically do a dd from one drive to the other so its 100%. |
| 18:59.34 | [acl] | when i get home ill pull as much as possible. |
| 18:59.48 | [acl] | well all i need to pull is the scripts just in case |
| 18:59.55 | WisTilt2 | you have enough hd or we need to put you on a bigger one? |
| 19:00.12 | [acl] | nahh whatever is there is more than fine |
| 19:00.14 | [acl] | we dont store that much |
| 19:00.46 | WisTilt2 | k. ill email you later this week when i know exactly when my guys will do the switch |
| 19:01.04 | [acl] | coo |
| 19:01.20 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: did i tell you fastboot worked in lk for me? |
| 19:01.40 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: nope u didnt.. actually i didnt know you worked on it since |
| 19:01.51 | [acl] | i havent realy touched it either . |
| 19:01.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | wooot |
| 19:02.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | i am running LK on nand now |
| 19:02.10 | [acl] | nice |
| 19:02.19 | [acl] | so the code you gave me is outdated? lol |
| 19:02.23 | [acl] | git that shit bro |
| 19:02.44 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: pretty much. ok, i can git. although i'd prefer to code keyboard, recovery and some stuff prior to releasing |
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| 19:02.58 | [acl] | ahh thats cool |
| 19:03.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | now let's try to fastboot a zimage to see if i can boot off nand |
| 19:05.20 | Alex[sp3dev] | oh my. i2c is so unstable and hangs often.. it was a direct port of linux driver i did in some 10 minutes.. that's not good |
| 19:05.35 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:05.36 | Willd | Foul hack >:( |
| 19:05.44 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: beats kexecing |
| 19:06.32 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: i think making it work off nand, not via usb will require a lot of debugging. well. i'll have plenty of time after exams. 4-day weekends sound crazy |
| 19:07.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | haha. "Boot reason: power button" |
| 19:07.36 | [acl] | gotta know the boot reason |
| 19:08.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | yeah. i think i'll copy the power check from winmo. so that it loops with screen off until the voltage is ok |
| 19:08.10 | [acl] | issue im dealing with now. Effin charging is a boot reason |
| 19:08.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | i've got a masterplan though |
| 19:08.35 | [acl] | there is even a boot reason "no battery before" |
| 19:08.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | i'll make a linux partition at the end of winmo fat so that i can test LK by hareting, not flashing |
| 19:09.10 | [acl] | oo |
| 19:09.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: btw, did you know that last 16mb nand are used by (whom? SPL?) to store nand block signatures |
| 19:10.16 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: hmm i didnt know it was 16 but i def know there is some issues on the last part |
| 19:10.52 | Alex[sp3dev] | i have dumped nand (512 mb) and from 0x1fe00000 it is filled with those markers we put into the NBH file |
| 19:11.03 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok, i can't count |
| 19:11.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | it's 32 mb then |
| 19:11.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | and i'm wrong with zeroes |
| 19:11.49 | Alex[sp3dev] | anyway, back to hacking i2c |
| 19:13.12 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: that winmo battery thing is confusing to me. Because not only does it loop, but seems to slow down the cpu and monitor for the powe button. I havent been able to slow down the cpu tho |
| 19:13.51 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: anyways check it out.. and hopefully it makes sense to you. But the CLK guys have some sort of monitor code for lk now. So it can loop in there and do its business |
| 19:15.29 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: i'm a do it myself... i like reinventing the wheels.. ok, you know, stealing them from htc |
| 19:16.29 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: thats cool.. just let me know what you find bout winmo. If i cant slow down the cpu its kinda uselsss. so hope you have better luck. |
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| 19:16.54 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: uhh? just write the multiplier? |
| 19:17.51 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: hmm sounds simpler than my dumb ass approach. i was trying to do a dex call :-\ |
| 19:18.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | well. acpuclock.c in linux has all the code |
| 19:19.11 | [acl] | i guess i mdoing it all wrong. |
| 19:19.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | very wrong |
| 19:19.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok, i2c is driving me nuts |
| 19:19.37 | Cotulla | :D |
| 19:19.51 | [acl] | Cotulla: hey .. wahts good? |
| 19:19.55 | Cotulla | where bolts? |
| 19:19.57 | Cotulla | :D |
| 19:20.19 | jonpry | Alex[sp3dev], gpio i2c? |
| 19:20.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: the bolt is between the nuts |
| 19:20.54 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:21.02 | Cotulla | and where ur cock? |
| 19:21.25 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok.. i have found some epic stupidity in the i2c driver. for now i'll just hack it and on thursday do it properly |
| 19:22.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: nope, msm i2c driver. but gpio might be a better approach actually. at least more stable |
| 19:22.31 | jonpry | at some point i had our kernel using gpio i2c |
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| 19:40.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | i think bitbanging i2c will be better. it will be simpler and more reliable. |
| 19:41.14 | Cotulla | heh |
| 19:41.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | anything that deals with interrupts is bad ;) |
| 19:41.34 | Cotulla | did it at first, then test. then say such things. |
| 19:41.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | especially when it's me |
| 19:41.57 | Cotulla | replace interrupts by polling |
| 19:42.01 | Cotulla | who stops u |
| 19:42.46 | Alex[sp3dev] | well. time. it just needs a couple hours to fix all this stuff in lk and i don't have time until thursday. so the only thing left for me is to chat ;)) |
| 19:43.07 | Cotulla | fox? |
| 19:43.18 | Alex[sp3dev] | what? |
| 19:43.36 | Cotulla | I checked u and u fail my check. |
| 19:43.43 | [acl] | fox is right |
| 19:43.44 | [acl] | :-p |
| 19:44.13 | Cotulla | who understood anything? |
| 19:44.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: what were the changes you added to hd2 nand driver? and about blocks signatures at the end - are they used by bootloader to determine what to format on hard reset? |
| 19:45.51 | Cotulla | hehe u cunning :) |
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| 19:46.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | oh damn. turns out i've missed a couple of messages. bad connection.. |
| 19:46.19 | Cotulla | I changes layout from Android to WM one |
| 19:47.07 | Cotulla | and it's all changes inside nand driver |
| 19:47.13 | [acl] | :-) |
| 19:48.24 | Cotulla | lets sing a song! |
| 19:48.38 | Cotulla | lalala-lala-aaaaaaaaasyyyuuuu |
| 19:48.40 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: yeah i dunno if i mentioned that im using cotullas driver. |
| 19:48.55 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: me too actually. used it to dump nand |
| 19:49.11 | Cotulla | so nobody wants to sing a song? |
| 19:49.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: lalala-lala-aaaaaassyyymeee |
| 19:49.23 | Cotulla | I remember this phase very well from old MK60 |
| 19:49.39 | Cotulla | tape |
| 19:49.47 | Cotulla | where english lessons was :P |
| 19:49.56 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: all this on your kov? you go full nand now then ? |
| 19:50.44 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: not now. wow. looks like something's not yet there. flashed from LK to realise i have not adjusted the offsets to the fake imgfs.. and erased LK ;) |
| 19:50.48 | Cotulla | no he bought hd2 yesterday, real logs [acl] |
| 19:51.02 | Cotulla | shit |
| 19:51.40 | [acl] | Cotulla: :-) .. nahh reading logs is so last year.. the new trend is to ignore it .. and ask again :-) |
| 19:51.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | at least i have not touched mpu and calculated the start offset to be the one used by winmo.. |
| 19:52.44 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: jebus hd2.. dang.. thought u had a deep hatred for htc. |
| 19:53.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: you believed the stupid troll? |
| 19:53.19 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: i dunno.. i dont read logs |
| 19:53.20 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:53.22 | arrrghhh | lmao |
| 19:53.27 | arrrghhh | he didn't buy an hd2 |
| 19:53.33 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: how do you know? |
| 19:53.41 | [acl] | arrrghhh reads logs |
| 19:53.51 | arrrghhh | just guessing based on your troll comment |
| 19:53.55 | arrrghhh | did you? |
| 19:53.56 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 19:54.06 | arrrghhh | i do read logs, but not word-for-word |
| 19:54.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | gotta confuse everyone |
| 19:54.57 | arrrghhh | i do my best |
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| 19:56.56 | Cotulla | righht |
| 19:56.59 | Cotulla | I never read logs |
| 19:57.05 | Cotulla | *now |
| 19:57.10 | [acl] | Cotulla; so you are trendy |
| 19:57.21 | Cotulla | ya ! |
| 19:57.31 | Cotulla | but u no! |
| 19:57.35 | Cotulla | :'( |
| 19:57.38 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:58.02 | Cotulla | wants [acl] to drop his RHO to stone floor |
| 19:58.19 | [acl] | Cotulla: i did.. but then i got another one cuz of the warranty |
| 19:58.19 | arrrghhh | you first Cotulla |
| 19:58.24 | arrrghhh | but drop your hd2 |
| 19:58.39 | Cotulla | no] |
| 19:58.40 | [acl] | Cotulla: true story, it actually flew out of my car. I put it on my dash, took a turn and boom out the window it went |
| 19:58.44 | Cotulla | hd2 is trendy! |
| 19:58.56 | [acl] | Cotulla: then my carrier gave me a new one.. gotta love warranty |
| 19:59.01 | arrrghhh | iphone is trendy |
| 19:59.09 | arrrghhh | <3 warranty |
| 19:59.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: in soviet russia there is no warranty |
| 19:59.23 | Cotulla | right |
| 19:59.33 | Cotulla | 3 months for money-back |
| 19:59.42 | arrrghhh | in soviet russia, phone smashes you |
| 19:59.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | tru tru |
| 19:59.52 | Cotulla | Alex tells us good thing at the end today |
| 20:00.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | why do you hate me? |
| 20:00.08 | Cotulla | me? no |
| 20:00.15 | Cotulla | I just try to get some fun |
| 20:00.19 | Cotulla | after heavy work day |
| 20:00.21 | Cotulla | :P |
| 20:00.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: alright.. have flashed a kernel via usb and after reboot it loaded from nand and booted |
| 20:00.50 | Cotulla | who wanna platy into sea battle? |
| 20:00.52 | Cotulla | *play |
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| 20:01.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | but the stability is so ffuuuuuuu now.. needs a heavy rework fo sho. |
| 20:01.32 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: so u have full nand with lk.. awesome. ur ahead of us now .. hahah.. now fix the battery charging :-) |
| 20:01.38 | [acl] | ahh boo |
| 20:01.49 | Cotulla | so> |
| 20:01.55 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: well. now that LK is sort of working, i have motivation to go on |
| 20:02.07 | Cotulla | titanic? |
| 20:02.18 | Cotulla | but he go down, right? |
| 20:02.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | sends Cotulla a shipment of fail |
| 20:02.44 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: bro do it up.. and make sure u call it "pooploader" it will be epic |
| 20:02.53 | Cotulla | receives with error E_GEN_FAILURE |
| 20:03.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | [] Flash NBH file 'POOPLOADER.NBH' |
| 20:03.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | [] Setting RUU mode, please wait............done |
| 20:03.19 | fakker | i kill you |
| 20:03.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | me? |
| 20:03.27 | Cotulla | hey fakker |
| 20:03.31 | fakker | yea |
| 20:03.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | why? |
| 20:03.57 | fakker | fun |
| 20:04.03 | fakker | poka |
| 20:04.08 | Cotulla | he just need eat somebody brain everyday, don't listen him |
| 20:04.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | he needs a dick today |
| 20:04.39 | Cotulla | got griddle into hand and prepare for jump |
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| 20:16.39 | Cotulla | sources from 3.0 closed? haha |
| 20:16.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | told you android is a gisgrace and they've raped the community |
| 20:17.06 | Cotulla | haha |
| 20:17.10 | Cotulla | "open source" |
| 20:17.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | but not "free software" |
| 20:17.25 | Cotulla | yes |
| 20:17.30 | Cotulla | I think they will close it soon |
| 20:17.37 | arrrghhh | they're going to make 3.0 open source. |
| 20:17.39 | arrrghhh | just "not yet" |
| 20:17.44 | Cotulla | hehe |
| 20:17.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | gotta move to SHR then |
| 20:18.01 | Cotulla | ohh |
| 20:18.11 | Cotulla | we will see how LEO users will like SHR :) I hope they will. |
| 20:18.40 | Cotulla | counter part should be CE70 |
| 20:19.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | well. except for 3D.. the rest of hardware can be supported, only camera will be hard.. and i think we can use the msm mdp engine to speed up xorg. but lata. now nand and 35 ;) |
| 20:19.51 | Cotulla | why they using xorg? |
| 20:19.58 | Cotulla | can u explain me? |
| 20:20.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | because they want to run GTK and QT applications |
| 20:20.40 | Cotulla | okay |
| 20:20.44 | Cotulla | but xorg is black hole |
| 20:21.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, kind of. but there are a lot of applications.. and no real alternative (well, there are, but that will require more work..) |
| 20:21.46 | Cotulla | I saw internet messanger in SHR |
| 20:21.51 | Cotulla | it come from PC |
| 20:21.56 | Cotulla | and all is really small |
| 20:22.02 | Cotulla | better to add android applications support |
| 20:22.05 | Cotulla | and call it |
| 20:22.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, these issues can be resolved |
| 20:22.08 | Cotulla | YANA |
| 20:22.15 | Cotulla | Yet Another Native Android |
| 20:22.28 | Cotulla | "hey I installed YANA 2.0" |
| 20:22.30 | Cotulla | sounds great |
| 20:23.00 | Cotulla | u like it? |
| 20:23.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | well. there are some people who want GNU/Linux and who want to make GNU suitable for PDAs.. others want android and user experience.. different priorities |
| 20:23.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | YANA? dunno |
| 20:23.21 | Cotulla | android can give apps |
| 20:23.24 | Cotulla | and people need apps |
| 20:23.36 | Cotulla | support of android apps == a lot of free testers |
| 20:24.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | support of android apps == increase the complexity of development by an order of magnitude |
| 20:27.51 | Cotulla | heh |
| 20:27.55 | Cotulla | u need do it once |
| 20:27.56 | Cotulla | and forgot |
| 20:28.07 | Cotulla | ever it can be used on real linux |
| 20:28.15 | Cotulla | by some android fanatics |
| 20:31.22 | Cotulla | u remember I gotta port android to CE kernel? |
| 20:32.31 | Cotulla | good joke! |
| 20:32.55 | arrrghhh | he got you good Cotulla |
| 20:33.11 | Cotulla | who |
| 20:33.26 | arrrghhh | alex |
| 20:34.03 | Cotulla | why |
| 20:34.36 | arrrghhh | cuz he's alex? |
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| 20:35.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | i just had a shipment of fail |
| 20:36.00 | Cotulla | anybody know why I need insert resistor between cascades with OA? |
| 20:36.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | first my pc seemed to lock up and instead of waiting i rebooted it. then i forgot my hdd password. amazing. never happened before. i blame Cotulla |
| 20:36.42 | Cotulla | it's no me |
| 20:36.45 | Cotulla | it's fakker |
| 20:36.51 | Cotulla | he did it before with me : |
| 20:36.52 | Cotulla | :'( |
| 20:38.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | shakes fist at fakker |
| 20:38.14 | fakker | :) |
| 20:38.18 | fakker | privet |
| 20:38.35 | Cotulla | poka |
| 20:39.00 | fakker | what i do now? |
| 20:39.02 | fakker | i troll on cod |
| 20:39.03 | fakker | lol |
| 20:39.14 | Cotulla | kalinka! kalinka! kalinka! moia kalinka! kalinka! kalinka! moia |
| 20:39.28 | fakker | taTu |
| 20:39.31 | fakker | fuck yes julia |
| 20:39.40 | Alex[sp3dev] | fakker: ty pis'ka! |
| 20:39.48 | Cotulla | u listening "taTu"? wtf |
| 20:39.49 | fakker | pizda? |
| 20:39.59 | fakker | Cotulla, all the thing she said runing through my head, running through my head |
| 20:40.00 | fakker | of course |
| 20:40.02 | fakker | pff |
| 20:40.11 | Cotulla | she listening taTu? O_o |
| 20:40.51 | Cotulla | alex, do u listening TaTu? |
| 20:41.00 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: of course. everyone here does |
| 20:41.11 | Cotulla | undertable |
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| 20:42.34 | [acl] | this is too gay.. im outta here |
| 20:42.45 | Cotulla | fakker, can u understand: "êîñîé êîñèë êîñîé êîñîé"? |
| 20:42.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | haha. said the main gay |
| 20:43.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | f u |
| 20:43.27 | Cotulla | or "êîñèë êîñîé êîñîé êîñîé"? |
| 20:43.32 | Alex[sp3dev] | your encoding is broken |
| 20:44.00 | Cotulla | : |
| 20:44.02 | Cotulla | :'( |
| 20:44.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: лÑÑÑй пÑÑал лÑÑой пÑÑой |
| 20:44.30 | Cotulla | fakker won't translate this :) |
| 20:44.47 | arrrghhh | i can |
| 20:44.55 | Cotulla | okay, translate |
| 20:44.58 | Cotulla | :) |
| 20:45.19 | Cotulla | ever most people IRL can't understand this from first time ..... |
| 20:45.20 | arrrghhh | hrm |
| 20:45.21 | arrrghhh | perhaps i can't :P |
| 20:45.27 | arrrghhh | bald bald something? |
| 20:45.49 | Cotulla | what about ""êîñèë êîñîé êîñîé êîñîé""? |
| 20:46.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: a bold man peed with a bold dick |
| 20:46.13 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 20:46.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | bald |
| 20:46.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | of course |
| 20:46.42 | Cotulla | what about "äâà òðè â îäíîì" |
| 20:46.44 | Cotulla | ? |
| 20:46.52 | arrrghhh | jibberish |
| 20:47.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: http://2cyr.com/decode/ first ;) |
| 20:47.52 | arrrghhh | mowed slash slash slash |
| 20:47.53 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 20:47.56 | Cotulla | no |
| 20:47.59 | Cotulla | it's sentense |
| 20:48.01 | arrrghhh | i know 0 russian |
| 20:48.09 | arrrghhh | so google translate is failing me, that's all i got :PO |
| 20:48.14 | Cotulla | it's full sentence |
| 20:48.21 | arrrghhh | i'll take your word for it |
| 20:48.27 | arrrghhh | коÑил коÑой коÑой коÑой |
| 20:48.27 | Cotulla | okay |
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| 20:49.29 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghh: a cockeyed man was mowing with a skew braid.. what a nonsense |
| 20:49.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | cockeyed. good word ;) |
| 20:49.49 | arrrghhh | haha |
| 20:50.08 | Cotulla | means somebody, with nick "kosoy" mow something with "wrong" (not linear) braid. |
| 20:50.10 | arrrghhh | why are russians such good hackers |
| 20:50.15 | arrrghhh | i must move to russia so that i may learn |
| 20:50.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: ok. you move to russia, i move to the USA. good deal? |
| 20:50.48 | arrrghhh | k |
| 20:51.05 | Cotulla | so this three same words means: nick, state of braid, braid |
| 20:51.08 | Cotulla | :P |
| 20:51.10 | arrrghhh | deal. i could probably afford russian |
| 20:51.19 | arrrghhh | russia* |
| 20:51.35 | Cotulla | I got good idea how to prevent n00bs from installing my stuffs |
| 20:51.43 | Cotulla | encode readme in some other charset |
| 20:51.44 | Cotulla | :P |
| 20:51.56 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 20:52.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | nonlinear braid.. it means that a * braid (x) != braid (a * x) and braid (x + y) != braid(x) + braid(y), right? |
| 20:52.29 | Cotulla | hm |
| 20:52.41 | Cotulla | no it means points of braid don't fit on one line |
| 20:52.47 | Cotulla | in 3D |
| 20:53.29 | Alex[sp3dev] | it means that braid is not a line but a hyperplane |
| 20:53.47 | Cotulla | ya |
| 20:54.02 | Cotulla | and it can't be fitted into 64kb |
| 20:54.20 | Alex[sp3dev] | why 64kb? |
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| 20:54.29 | Cotulla | one segment |
| 20:54.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | but it fits into 128kb. so you can hide it in nand |
| 20:55.23 | Cotulla | call ur loader "braidloader" |
| 20:55.40 | Cotulla | "BRDLDR" |
| 20:56.00 | jonpry | wtf |
| 20:56.06 | Alex[sp3dev] | braidpoop |
| 20:56.35 | Cotulla | jonpry, what "braidloader" means? |
| 20:56.37 | jonpry | in russia the hair braids you? |
| 20:56.55 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 20:57.04 | Cotulla | I though braid for hay |
| 20:57.08 | Cotulla | not for hair?? |
| 20:57.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: yeah, just yesterday my shift key got stuck. i detached the keyboard and was attacked by gigantic hair |
| 20:57.28 | Cotulla | http://spim.ru/i/tolk/kosa.jpg |
| 20:57.31 | rpierce99 | WisTilt2: I have cdma netloc on hycs newest test ril |
| 20:57.32 | Cotulla | this one |
| 20:58.26 | jonpry | thats a sickle |
| 20:58.43 | Cotulla | hm no |
| 20:58.47 | WisTilt2 | rpierce99: nice. helps with some of the missing cdma stuff working |
| 20:58.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | it's a scythe |
| 20:58.50 | Cotulla | sickle have small thing |
| 20:58.57 | Cotulla | which u use to hold it in the hand |
| 20:59.04 | Cotulla | while "kosa" have big |
| 20:59.06 | rpierce99 | we had to switch to cdma mode on the xdandroid side |
| 20:59.16 | Cotulla | u understand? |
| 20:59.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | http://images.wikia.com/gw/images/7/76/Destroyer_Scythe.jpg |
| 20:59.27 | WisTilt2 | he needs to also pull the correct mnc instead of using that default 310995 crapola |
| 20:59.27 | jonpry | ic |
| 20:59.31 | Cotulla | or u don't have such things like kefir?? |
| 20:59.51 | WisTilt2 | sprint usa is 310120 if he didn't already know that |
| 21:00.19 | jonpry | Alex[sp3dev], thats just wrong |
| 21:00.22 | jonpry | nsfw |
| 21:00.37 | arrrghhh | jeebus |
| 21:00.42 | arrrghhh | good thing i'm in a cubicle :P |
| 21:01.45 | Cotulla | so u destroy my dreams |
| 21:05.15 | jonpry | ãã°LDR |
| 21:05.23 | Cotulla | jp? |
| 21:05.37 | jonpry | yeah |
| 21:05.46 | Cotulla | first one looks like toylet and second like thing where u clear hands, right? |
| 21:05.58 | Alex[sp3dev] | that's the essence of magldr |
| 21:06.21 | Cotulla | wtf |
| 21:06.25 | Cotulla | Alex? |
| 21:06.33 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: use google translate |
| 21:07.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | wow. turns out i have hsdpa here.. just always kept it disabled in winmo |
| 21:08.00 | Cotulla | MTC Mega Bzzzzzzzzz... Gangsters? |
| 21:08.39 | jonpry | next step is to use special gcc build that allows japanese function names |
| 21:08.39 | jonpry | then you can release source but they can't build it |
| 21:08.40 | Alex[sp3dev] | anyway. it is too expensive and i have free wifi at the university |
| 21:08.54 | jonpry | MAGLNG |
| 21:09.00 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: we can write in C#. it allows unicode characters anywhere |
| 21:09.23 | jonpry | but the masses can compile that |
| 21:09.32 | Cotulla | CL also supports unicode? |
| 21:09.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: damn. call it MSVC, please |
| 21:09.46 | Alex[sp3dev] | CL is common lisp |
| 21:09.47 | Cotulla | since 8.0 I guess |
| 21:09.54 | Cotulla | for me it's CL :) |
| 21:10.00 | Cotulla | okay MSCL |
| 21:10.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | microsoft common lisp |
| 21:10.20 | Cotulla | lets code it with lambada brainfucks |
| 21:10.43 | jonpry | http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/asml/ |
| 21:12.26 | jonpry | imho the best feature is programming in microsoft word, lol |
| 21:12.44 | Alex[sp3dev] | in XML |
| 21:12.51 | Alex[sp3dev] | in xslt actually |
| 21:13.43 | Cotulla | u like XML>? |
| 21:13.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | i hate it |
| 21:13.51 | Cotulla | me too |
| 21:13.57 | Alex[sp3dev] | it's bloat |
| 21:13.58 | Cotulla | I like oldschool INIs |
| 21:14.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | json ftw |
| 21:15.04 | jonpry | aren't 80x20 c files a little 70's? |
| 21:15.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | yeah, 100x40 is 2011'ish |
| 21:17.22 | Cotulla | my FAR is much more |
| 21:17.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | much more sucky |
| 21:17.34 | Cotulla | but mokeys from google still have 80xYY |
| 21:17.43 | Cotulla | it's funny |
| 21:17.49 | Cotulla | this wrapped long lines |
| 21:17.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, 80 columns is more or less standard |
| 21:18.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, today you can afford 150 |
| 21:18.04 | Cotulla | not in 2011 |
| 21:18.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | but not 400 |
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| 21:21.30 | Cotulla | I gotta sleep |
| 21:21.36 | Cotulla | good night coding to all |
| 21:21.47 | Cotulla | less bugs, more code |
| 21:21.49 | Cotulla | bb |
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| 21:21.54 | Alex[sp3dev] | i'm gotta sleep as well. ;) |
| 21:22.06 | jonpry | i doubt that formatting your code 150xYY will prevent idiots from compiling it |
| 21:22.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | but well. i want to choose a good idea and sign up for gsoc this year |
| 21:23.54 | jonpry | scbs for sure |
| 21:27.47 | jonpry | brl-cad always gets gsoc |
| 21:28.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | i'm thinking of http://wiki.netbsd.org/projects/gsoc_2011/pkgsrc_binpkg_depends/ |
| 21:29.34 | jonpry | then you can pretend you are this guy. with your 80x20 code :p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pdp11,70_640x507.jpg |
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| 21:56.10 | khorben_ | Alex[sp3dev]: I'm quite into NetBSD too :) |
| 21:58.58 | khorben_ | would be great to have pkgsrc generate .deb files etc... |
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| 22:24.00 | WisTilt2 | jonpry: in your kernel did you remove the BT patch or how exactly did you disable it? |
| 22:30.34 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2, afaik he just removed the patch |
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| 22:41.19 | heyhey | hi |
| 22:41.23 | heyhey | ? |
| 22:41.42 | heyhey | any one live here ? |
| 22:42.12 | arrrghhh | depends |
| 22:42.16 | arrrghhh | i wouldn't say i live here |
| 22:42.20 | arrrghhh | damn. |
| 22:42.29 | arrrghhh | dats cold-blooded |
| 22:56.25 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh, thx for getting me setup with gen.y, saves so much time! |
| 22:56.40 | arrrghhh | isn't it awesome? |
| 22:56.46 | arrrghhh | no need to even see winmo :P |
| 22:56.54 | WisTilt2 | yeah dont know how i got along without it |
| 22:57.00 | arrrghhh | hahaha |
| 22:57.09 | arrrghhh | pretty easy to setup too. |
| 22:57.20 | WisTilt2 | just the fact i dont need to look at winmo makes it worth while |
| 22:57.25 | arrrghhh | indeed |
| 23:00.53 | hyc | :D |
| 23:01.29 | hyc | gives you a better shot at picking up last_kmsg intact too |
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| 23:36.38 | anish88 | WisTilt is back? hopefully some of that new RIL stuff will be testable |
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| 23:36.41 | anish88 | ? |
| 23:37.04 | arrrghhh | anish88, wtf |
| 23:37.13 | anish88 | wat? |
| 23:37.26 | arrrghhh | not useful or helpful. |
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| 23:37.37 | anish88 | sorry i just missed him |
| 23:37.43 | anish88 | lol |
| 23:37.50 | arrrghhh | ... |
| 23:37.56 | anish88 | ill shut up |
| 23:38.15 | arrrghhh | k |
| 23:39.26 | anish88 | anyways arrrghh its not like everything on this chat is 100% useful or helpful.. stop bullying me around :P |
| 23:39.30 | WisTilt2 | anish88, working on kernel stuff again. hyc is working on ril and has tests up afaik. |
| 23:40.36 | anish88 | hey wis you know where i could get this kernel to test it out? |
| 23:40.49 | WisTilt2 | what kernel? |
| 23:41.42 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh you still at work? |
| 23:41.44 | anish88 | sorry i think i maybe confused with the work that was done on the RIL, maybe my knowledge is a limited about that. sorry |
| 23:41.45 | arrrghhh | yea |
| 23:42.01 | WisTilt2 | anish88, ril is not kernel. |
| 23:42.05 | arrrghhh | devs need complete silence |
| 23:42.09 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 23:42.21 | anish88 | anything to cater to them |
| 23:42.33 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh what time you get home? have a test for you. |
| 23:42.40 | arrrghhh | woot |
| 23:42.43 | arrrghhh | i leave in about 15 |
| 23:42.46 | arrrghhh | i can test it now if you want |
| 23:42.50 | arrrghhh | i'll just have to disconnect |
| 23:43.01 | anish88 | so wis how would i test what you are working on? |
| 23:43.07 | WisTilt2 | that works out great. ill have it ready before you leave and you can test on way home. |
| 23:43.48 | arrrghhh | schweet |
| 23:43.55 | WisTilt2 | anish88: cant sorry. we'll have something for the masses to test shortly and arrrghhh will post it. |
| 23:44.03 | anish88 | ok cool |
| 23:44.05 | anish88 | thanks |
| 23:44.07 | arrrghhh | anish88, what device you got? |
| 23:44.12 | anish88 | rhod400 |
| 23:44.18 | arrrghhh | cool |
| 23:44.24 | arrrghhh | yea when it's deemed ready for public testing |
| 23:44.27 | arrrghhh | you can have at it ;) |
| 23:44.43 | anish88 | definitely |
| 23:44.45 | anish88 | cant wait |
| 23:44.52 | rpierce99 | hey WisTilt2 I'm available too if you need me |
| 23:45.07 | WisTilt2 | 10/4 |
| 23:45.19 | anish88 | thanks everyone for all ur help. i love this stuff. |
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| 23:56.20 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh wont be ready before you leave so just ping me when you get home. |
| 23:56.25 | arrrghhh | cool |
| 23:56.33 | arrrghhh | nbd man, just making sure this job runs then i'm out. |
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