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| 12:53.59 | gauner1986 | hey Cotulla |
| 12:54.43 | Cotulla | hey |
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| 13:09.58 | Cotulla | anybody with RHO here now? |
| 13:15.44 | jonpry | i have one |
| 13:16.21 | jonpry | but i think nand is a gimmick |
| 13:20.34 | Hunterkll | jonpry, nand no gimmick, nand = performance |
| 13:20.35 | Hunterkll | :P |
| 13:20.57 | jonpry | or not sd is way faster than nand |
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| 13:24.26 | Hunterkll | depends on SD, but nand boot = clean hardware init |
| 13:24.45 | Hunterkll | `maybe for better performance depending on init procedure |
| 13:25.58 | jonpry | Cotulla: why don't you port WP7/honeycomb to rhod? |
| 13:26.08 | MN_ | not possible |
| 13:26.15 | Hunterkll | yes ind eed most likely |
| 13:26.21 | Hunterkll | HD2 is probably only deviec possible, ever |
| 13:26.30 | Hunterkll | for WP7 |
| 13:26.54 | jonpry | nothing is impossible |
| 13:27.05 | emwe | jonpry! you have some info to share for my adsp issue mentioned on the ml? |
| 13:27.06 | jonpry | just some things only cotulla can do |
| 13:27.09 | Hunterkll | jonpry, wellllll..... ... instruciton set emulators... :P |
| 13:27.24 | Hunterkll | but.... ;P |
| 13:27.34 | jonpry | emwe about the crashing? |
| 13:27.39 | emwe | jonpry: yes. |
| 13:27.52 | jonpry | are you using qdsp from .27? |
| 13:28.11 | emwe | jonpry: no, all .35. no adjustments except amss params setup |
| 13:28.44 | jonpry | i would try the .27 code, i think there are a few modifications, and nobody has even tried backport of .35 qdsp |
| 13:29.09 | jonpry | i don't think htc_hw will crash a9 |
| 13:29.19 | emwe | jonpry: especially as it's not in there, yet ;) |
| 13:29.20 | jonpry | but afaik rpc may not be working |
| 13:29.32 | jonpry | or lac of htc_hw |
| 13:29.51 | jonpry | for longest time we weren't doing it right |
| 13:29.58 | emwe | hm. |
| 13:30.13 | emwe | what else is using rpc? |
| 13:30.18 | jonpry | nothing |
| 13:30.19 | emwe | i see at least a lot of servers registering... |
| 13:30.26 | jonpry | gps will |
| 13:30.28 | emwe | hmpfs |
| 13:31.06 | emwe | i think it doesn't even read rr_read() |
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| 13:31.13 | emwe | s/read/get to |
| 13:31.25 | jonpry | i dunno what that is |
| 13:31.27 | Markinus | hi |
| 13:31.53 | emwe | jonpry: response reader of or rpc replay if i get it right |
| 13:31.56 | emwe | hey Markinus ;) |
| 13:31.58 | gauner1986 | hi Markinus |
| 13:32.09 | jonpry | yeah sounds like your rpc is fubar |
| 13:32.32 | emwe | jonpry: so i might miss some "hacks" which are not established on .35, yet. thanks. |
| 13:32.35 | jonpry | we had different version of rpc on .27 for nand/haret |
| 13:34.03 | emwe | jonpry: if other rpc calls work and i get a reply back, rpc for any usage should work, no? |
| 13:34.43 | jonpry | i think so |
| 13:34.59 | emwe | rechecking logs. i think it works for other stuff |
| 13:35.20 | emwe | Markinus: you remember the arm9 crash on playing sound on topa very very long ago? |
| 13:35.47 | jonpry | one of the big changes on.27 qdsp is with the sound endpoints. like winmo phones use different endpoint id's |
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| 13:36.14 | Markinus | emwe: yeah, in this time we didn't have sound there |
| 13:36.34 | emwe | jonpry: the lookup of amss_para i suppose you mean? |
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| 13:36.49 | jonpry | no |
| 13:37.11 | jonpry | like the numbers in setsound rpc |
| 13:37.18 | jonpry | everything else uses like 0 and 1 |
| 13:37.24 | jonpry | but winmo is like 7 and 15 |
| 13:37.31 | emwe | oi. |
| 13:38.27 | Markinus | we comperadet the rpc calls on sound between winmo and adnoird, and there was only on difference, don'T remeber which one . . |
| 13:38.34 | Markinus | *compared |
| 13:39.55 | jonpry | sounds right |
| 13:40.07 | jonpry | one could kill a9 though |
| 13:40.15 | emwe | that's what happens to me... |
| 13:40.26 | emwe | and yeah, this is play .35 code with no adjustments. |
| 13:40.52 | emwe | s/play/plain |
| 13:40.54 | emwe | geez... |
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| 13:44.04 | Markinus | I have here some RPC sound dumps from Topaz in wince and android, if someone will take a look, dumped with haret and linux |
| 13:44.11 | Cotulla | hello |
| 13:44.29 | Markinus | hi |
| 13:44.46 | Cotulla | hey jonpry |
| 13:44.53 | Cotulla | u have RHO? |
| 13:45.09 | Hunterkll | Cotulla, he say yes but not care abotu nand, say is 'gimmick' |
| 13:45.44 | Cotulla | I try to make ppl to edit this page to proper state :P |
| 13:45.44 | Cotulla | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rhodium_Status |
| 13:45.54 | jonpry | emwe, .27 sndc, line 328-334 |
| 13:46.17 | Markinus | emwe: here www.markinus.de/TopSound.7z don't know whether I give it you last time |
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| 13:51.20 | jonpry | Cotulla, yeah i have rhod |
| 13:51.42 | Cotulla | can u check |
| 13:51.43 | Cotulla | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rhodium_Status |
| 13:51.48 | Cotulla | and maybe edit it |
| 13:52.04 | Cotulla | but I think we need two colums |
| 13:52.06 | Cotulla | GSM and GSM+CDMA |
| 13:53.04 | jonpry | i don't have cdma |
| 13:53.06 | Hunterkll | Cotulla, i want go to moscow, you be tour guidde? ;P |
| 13:53.23 | jonpry | but isn't functionality the same now? |
| 13:54.36 | jonpry | what is android column for. if it doesn't work in android, it doesn't work :p |
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| 13:55.40 | Hunterkll | lol |
| 13:55.57 | Cotulla | I copied this table from our LEO |
| 13:56.15 | Cotulla | Android also have libraries |
| 13:56.23 | Cotulla | without them L-Sensor is useless |
| 13:56.40 | Cotulla | so kernel can support L-Sensor data, but without special android library - it won't work in Android |
| 13:56.41 | Cotulla | :) |
| 13:56.55 | jonpry | except that microp handles it |
| 13:57.33 | jonpry | we don't need no stupid android :p |
| 13:58.04 | Cotulla | hm |
| 13:58.08 | Cotulla | what u need? :D |
| 13:58.44 | jonpry | just boot into spin loop, and still have working l-sensor |
| 13:58.47 | Hunterkll | llol. you need microp knowledge. :P |
| 13:58.57 | Cotulla | it's without android support |
| 13:59.09 | Cotulla | android wants lsensor data in lux to control backlight |
| 13:59.09 | Hunterkll | Cotulla, android need learna bout nmicrop |
| 13:59.26 | Hunterkll | if i iseem stupid i am drunk, i osorry |
| 13:59.27 | Cotulla | on LEO it's not possible without polling however |
| 13:59.52 | Hunterkll | Cotulla, LEO is new world, old world hardawre is need support without good 'able to be polled whenever' hardware :( |
| 14:00.07 | Hunterkll | so they implement in custom microcodde/silicon |
| 14:00.36 | Cotulla | they just implemented it for WM |
| 14:00.42 | Cotulla | not for stupid android :P |
| 14:00.50 | Hunterkll | agree android = stupid |
| 14:00.56 | Cotulla | bcz it's stupid to ask data from lsensor in luxs |
| 14:01.08 | Hunterkll | no adnd=roid just stupid |
| 14:01.09 | Hunterkll | lol |
| 14:02.08 | jonpry | all i know is that autobl works in android. i can't see what kind of libraries i am missing |
| 14:02.27 | Cotulla | libsensor? |
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| 14:03.19 | jonpry | besides that |
| 14:04.30 | Cotulla | anyway it different thing |
| 14:04.36 | Cotulla | it's why there additional column |
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| 14:04.55 | Cotulla | kernel can have some abstract interface, while android need own interfaces |
| 14:05.28 | jonpry | oh yeah, i think something is wrong with the usb vid/pid |
| 14:07.11 | Cotulla | ? |
| 14:07.33 | jonpry | doesn't work right with google adb driver under windows. i had to hack the inf |
| 14:07.51 | Cotulla | ya |
| 14:07.53 | Cotulla | :D |
| 14:07.54 | jonpry | iirc pid needs to be incremented by one. we have right pid for a non gadget phone |
| 14:08.53 | jonpry | which is why people said adb worked before gadget, etc |
| 14:09.08 | Cotulla | yeah, they change number |
| 14:09.09 | Cotulla | each time... |
| 14:09.50 | jonpry | windows shows gadget pid's weird. like 0x824M1 |
| 14:09.57 | jonpry | for the different endpoints |
| 14:10.00 | Cotulla | nice edition |
| 14:10.37 | jonpry | so driver works on 0x823 and 0x824M1 or something |
| 14:10.44 | jonpry | but we are on 0x823M1 |
| 14:10.52 | Cotulla | I think u should get number from google sdk |
| 14:16.11 | jonpry | looks like 0x0c02 |
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| 14:28.41 | jonpry | ok, does somebody want to patch the product id in devices.c:328 to be 0x0c02? |
| 14:29.09 | Samsunguy | ~seen fakker |
| 14:29.15 | apt | fakker <~noobhands@cpc2-hitc6-2-0-cust335.9-2.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 9d 18h 50m 11s ago, saying: 'lost my photos of random shit on there :('. |
| 14:29.15 | jonpry | it only takes one digit to save the world... |
| 14:29.31 | Samsunguy | Lol |
| 14:29.36 | Cotulla | heh u so lazy :) |
| 14:29.46 | jonpry | i don't have commit access |
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| 14:30.28 | Cotulla | oh |
| 14:30.40 | jonpry | i guess i do for nand tree |
| 14:30.51 | Cotulla | I cloned main tree and gotta develop it as clone |
| 14:30.56 | Cotulla | http://gitorious.org/~cotulla/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/ctll-linux-rho-tpz |
| 14:30.58 | jonpry | ugh |
| 14:31.34 | Cotulla | ? |
| 14:31.39 | gauner1986 | hah, cotulla finally started using versioning systems |
| 14:31.39 | gauner1986 | :D |
| 14:31.44 | Cotulla | yaya |
| 14:33.09 | jonpry | so hard to tell what direction is upstream anymore |
| 14:33.32 | Cotulla | agree |
| 14:33.38 | Cotulla | there too many branches around |
| 14:33.42 | Cotulla | [acl]'s nand |
| 14:33.56 | Cotulla | other with camera |
| 14:33.58 | Cotulla | and etc |
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| 16:56.59 | jonpry | anyone interested in helping to implement this battery algorithm: http://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/3/9/1586/pdf |
| 16:58.00 | Cotulla | what is it? |
| 16:59.03 | jonpry | its a complicated system for calculating the actual state of charge |
| 16:59.28 | Cotulla | u sure it can be applied to RHO? |
| 16:59.42 | jonpry | well no |
| 17:00.04 | Cotulla | there only Voltage and Current as input parameters afaik |
| 17:00.15 | jonpry | afaict the math is only defined for situations where you have constant time step intervals |
| 17:00.25 | jonpry | which we may not be able to guarantee in sleep |
| 17:00.35 | jonpry | but wistilt2 says we can wake it up whenever |
| 17:00.38 | Cotulla | maybe better make table with static values |
| 17:01.02 | Cotulla | like percent = f(voltage, currrent]); |
| 17:01.18 | Cotulla | choose some good step |
| 17:01.46 | Cotulla | so it's enough to have 1% precision |
| 17:01.57 | Cotulla | 1 bytes for value |
| 17:01.58 | jonpry | well doing all of this only yeilds 5% |
| 17:02.15 | Cotulla | divide possible voltage and current ranges and build matrix |
| 17:02.34 | Cotulla | hm 3600 - 4100 for voltage.. |
| 17:02.43 | Cotulla | and 1 - 400 for current |
| 17:03.21 | Cotulla | sio |
| 17:03.22 | Cotulla | so |
| 17:03.25 | Cotulla | or 1 - 500 for current |
| 17:03.29 | jonpry | well its more complicated than that |
| 17:03.29 | Cotulla | 500 values fro current |
| 17:03.36 | jonpry | cause there is temperature |
| 17:03.38 | jonpry | and age |
| 17:03.44 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 17:03.57 | jonpry | like every battery has different parameter space |
| 17:03.58 | Cotulla | it's why battery system of RHO sucks |
| 17:04.02 | jonpry | and its changing over time |
| 17:04.04 | Cotulla | there no chips like DS2745 |
| 17:04.23 | jonpry | yeah coulomb counter |
| 17:04.29 | jonpry | is not even really that good |
| 17:05.20 | jonpry | but is the simplest thing that can feign accuracy |
| 17:06.08 | Cotulla | it's working |
| 17:06.19 | Cotulla | but anyway there other problems |
| 17:06.42 | Cotulla | or just reverse code better |
| 17:06.52 | jonpry | on leo? |
| 17:07.08 | Cotulla | on rho |
| 17:07.27 | jonpry | i don't think the winmo code is particularly good either |
| 17:07.34 | Cotulla | but it works |
| 17:07.53 | Cotulla | bcz HTC have a lot of testers |
| 17:08.01 | Cotulla | they able to find good parameters |
| 17:08.19 | gauner1986 | they also have trolls? |
| 17:08.20 | gauner1986 | :P |
| 17:08.33 | jonpry | i'm convinced that luenberger is the way to go |
| 17:08.44 | Berger | stupid highlight.. :( |
| 17:08.52 | Berger | thought I finally had some friends |
| 17:09.09 | Cotulla | gau, it was bad idea to talk about trolls... |
| 17:09.36 | Cotulla | anyway u need read that kind of input parameters algo in this pdf need |
| 17:10.22 | jonpry | its just current and voltage |
| 17:10.30 | jonpry | and an initial estimate of the state parameters |
| 17:11.19 | jonpry | there's potentially some improvement by using a temperature normalized voltage |
| 17:12.08 | Cotulla | actually I doubt that temperature / current / voltage enough for good percentage detection |
| 17:12.43 | jonpry | its good enough if you collect lots of data and the right techniques |
| 17:13.23 | jonpry | whats really cool is that the luenberger method doesn't require you to characterize the measurement noise |
| 17:13.55 | Cotulla | okay, implement it :) |
| 17:14.18 | jonpry | thats the problem, i hate that crap. at least without octave/scilab |
| 17:14.30 | jonpry | can we get that stuff on android? |
| 17:14.58 | Cotulla | hm I am thinking now how is stupid whole thing - percentage of battery. and what it give to user |
| 17:15.38 | jonpry | i dunno seems like an important part of battery powered device |
| 17:16.25 | Cotulla | time for full discharge with current use - looks more logical |
| 17:16.52 | jonpry | but unless you know actual capacity of battery... |
| 17:20.42 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 17:20.45 | Cotulla | we may implement |
| 17:20.51 | Cotulla | 0% 25% 50% 75% 100% |
| 17:20.51 | Cotulla | :D |
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| 17:30.02 | Cotulla | ìàññàðàêø! |
| 17:37.18 | gauner1986 | hand full of question marks |
| 17:37.21 | gauner1986 | ^^ |
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| 19:28.03 | MassStash | Cotulla, hows the kernel goin? |
| 19:28.23 | Cotulla | which kernel? :P |
| 19:29.21 | MassStash | haha just was checking in on progress |
| 19:32.29 | MassStash | on the rhod magldr that is |
| 19:32.43 | Cotulla | ? |
| 19:32.46 | Cotulla | oh rho |
| 19:33.12 | MassStash | rhodium, touchpro 2 |
| 19:33.16 | MassStash | ya kno |
| 19:33.46 | Cotulla | I am compiled kernel from git |
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| 19:34.54 | Cotulla | need to detect that I will improve inside kernel and build nand rom for RHO |
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| 19:37.02 | Samsunguy | Cotulla: we need reloc for wp7 :D |
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| 19:45.14 | MassStash | Cotulla, wat was that? phone rebooted |
| 19:46.17 | Cotulla | need to detect that I will improve inside kernel and build nand rom for RHO |
| 19:48.42 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 19:48.51 | gauner1986 | that sentence doesnt make sense |
| 19:48.52 | gauner1986 | :D |
| 19:49.06 | Cotulla | why |
| 19:49.10 | Cotulla | it's truth |
| 19:49.13 | gauner1986 | no |
| 19:49.24 | gauner1986 | i dont understand what you want to say |
| 19:49.26 | ocm | Its gramatically wrong |
| 19:49.27 | gauner1986 | wrong grammar |
| 19:49.28 | gauner1986 | :D |
| 19:49.50 | Cotulla | who cares |
| 19:49.54 | Cotulla | okay |
| 19:49.56 | Cotulla | improve it |
| 19:49.58 | ocm | thats the attitude lmao |
| 19:49.58 | Cotulla | release version 2.0 |
| 19:50.03 | Cotulla | of this sentence |
| 19:50.06 | Samsunguy | Cotulla, does bepe work on wp7 ? |
| 19:50.07 | Cotulla | :D |
| 19:50.45 | Cotulla | but looks u learned too many stuffs from Curious |
| 19:50.47 | Cotulla | :( |
| 19:52.16 | MassStash | Linda made sense... I would like t try n help with band rom in be way possible |
| 19:53.04 | Cotulla | hm |
| 19:53.12 | Cotulla | is keyboard working in android on RHO already? |
| 19:55.16 | MassStash | kinda* nand* |
| 19:55.50 | MassStash | cotulla, what keyboard which android? |
| 19:56.47 | MassStash | in nand or something? |
| 19:57.21 | Cotulla | hm I mean at all |
| 19:57.21 | Cotulla | :) |
| 19:58.12 | MassStash | yea I hate auto correct... |
| 19:58.33 | Cotulla | I mean hardware keybaord |
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| 20:01.29 | MassStash | yea the hardware keyboard works greeeeat in haret, wis just got the fn/caps lights working 100% correctly. when i was cookin kustom kernels of partial nand, keyboard operated fine as well but we didnt have fn/caps yet |
| 20:01.47 | MassStash | that was with the KB |
| 20:02.07 | manekineko | well 100% correct in terms of how far it's going to get in hardware, there's a lot of edge cases it doesn't handle right because it's not hooked into userland |
| 20:02.41 | MassStash | yup, thats what i couldn't recall to explain correctly enough.... |
| 20:03.02 | Cotulla | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rhodium_Status |
| 20:03.04 | Cotulla | check this page pls |
| 20:03.06 | MassStash | i was thinkin it might be some devices dont work 100% stilll |
| 20:03.30 | manekineko | what do you need checked on this? |
| 20:03.46 | Cotulla | is it correct status for RHO |
| 20:03.51 | manekineko | Radio FM would be a "No" actually |
| 20:04.11 | Cotulla | I created this page few days ago and now force people to make there right status ;) |
| 20:04.21 | manekineko | camera is getting close but only for still shots, no video whatsoever |
| 20:04.58 | manekineko | Under Multimedia, there should probably be a line for 3.5mm jack, which is completely unimplemented |
| 20:05.30 | manekineko | Under Connectivity, there should probably be a line for tower assisted netloc, which only works on GSM |
| 20:06.16 | manekineko | Battery "incomplete charging" may be a bit of an understatement, as I understand it the battery calculation algorithm is pretty off in Android, and is never fully charged |
| 20:06.35 | manekineko | additionally, for reasons unknown, sometimes even when plugged in charging, even after having fully charged up, it will stop charging and drain the battery dead |
| 20:06.39 | manekineko | however, that's pretty rare |
| 20:07.03 | manekineko | Under Phone, call waiting crashes the system |
| 20:07.07 | manekineko | i.e. a second phone call coming in |
| 20:07.20 | manekineko | Also, MMS are only received on GSM, not CDMA |
| 20:07.48 | manekineko | Might want to add a line for stylus sensor, which is unimplemented |
| 20:07.56 | Cotulla | u can add all this on page |
| 20:07.59 | Cotulla | in notes at bottom |
| 20:08.02 | Cotulla | pls do it :) |
| 20:08.15 | manekineko | just stick it in as text? |
| 20:08.25 | Cotulla | add NOTES at bottom of table |
| 20:08.56 | manekineko | Ok, I already maintain a list of known issues for the Rhod on PPG |
| 20:09.02 | manekineko | so I'll just copy over most of the information that isn't here yet |
| 20:09.06 | Cotulla | ok |
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| 20:11.51 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi dcordes_ |
| 20:12.55 | manekineko | does Rhod even have capability for USB Host and USB Ethernet? first I've ever heard of those would be from this chart |
| 20:20.09 | MassStash | usb ethernet what exactly? not tether right? |
| 20:20.24 | manekineko | I would assume some sort of USB dongle for a wired ethernet connection? |
| 20:20.24 | MassStash | thats a great sum of what isnt workin tho bro |
| 20:20.38 | MassStash | weeeeeeeeeeeird |
| 20:20.38 | Cotulla | hi GNUtoo |
| 20:21.00 | MassStash | that list you just named off kinda made me depressed... :( lol |
| 20:21.12 | Cotulla | which list? |
| 20:22.00 | Cotulla | RHO have HDMI> |
| 20:22.02 | Cotulla | ? |
| 20:22.06 | manekineko | via a dongle |
| 20:22.14 | Cotulla | is it this strange box ^^ |
| 20:23.01 | manekineko | hmm what's a linebreak in wiki |
| 20:23.08 | Cotulla | <br> |
| 20:25.06 | manekineko | cool that worked |
| 20:25.31 | manekineko | ok, I think I've added basically everything to the notes |
| 20:26.21 | MassStash | that list |
| 20:26.28 | MassStash | nooooooooooo to hdmi cotul |
| 20:26.31 | gauner1986 | yay |
| 20:26.34 | gauner1986 | basic html |
| 20:26.35 | manekineko | what list? |
| 20:26.42 | MassStash | lol |
| 20:26.52 | manekineko | would've thought wiki would use something a little fancier than basic html |
| 20:27.33 | manekineko | hmm actually just looked it up, the tv out isn't HDMI |
| 20:27.48 | manekineko | it's the super old school basic yellow cable |
| 20:27.48 | MassStash | just you "listing" of the stuff that doesnt work |
| 20:28.04 | manekineko | heh it is kinda depressing |
| 20:28.13 | manekineko | but really all the big stuff is working |
| 20:28.26 | manekineko | I use XDAndroid on mine all the time, stopped using WinMo |
| 20:28.27 | MassStash | riiiiiiiight. so close, yet so far. right right |
| 20:28.35 | MassStash | same here brotha |
| 20:28.53 | MassStash | in androirc at wrl as we speak hahaha |
| 20:29.06 | MassStash | work* |
| 20:29.24 | manekineko | this new Gingerbread build from stinebd is phenomenal |
| 20:29.30 | MassStash | got GVoice working for free with sprintt |
| 20:29.31 | manekineko | fastest build yet |
| 20:29.43 | MassStash | yup, GB build is nasty |
| 20:29.59 | manekineko | you're on Sprint, too eh? That's why I'm never upgrading my phone, deal I'm getting is just too good |
| 20:30.12 | MassStash | dude dl like f*in handcent of somthing in the market n try to count how many seconds it takes.... |
| 20:30.30 | manekineko | how many seconds to do what? |
| 20:30.34 | MassStash | yea bro, i got 10dolla off for old employee |
| 20:31.22 | manekineko | finally got the new web download from the Market thing working too when I switched to GB, that never worked for me before |
| 20:32.09 | MassStash | n shhhhhhhhhh i had a f*ed battery, the other talkin to argh to see it was my bat or android. turns out its the bat, have a frined that works at us cell, n bat swapped me.... business new battery now after 1.5 yrs life on phone, fresh froyo or GB, i'm holding out til the htc sabor or something like it.... |
| 20:32.32 | MassStash | download n install the app from the market |
| 20:33.06 | MassStash | you talkin bbout new market or what? |
| 20:33.23 | manekineko | yeah, you can go on your computer to market.android.com |
| 20:33.32 | manekineko | then click on apps to install them onto your phone |
| 20:33.37 | manekineko | a lot easier than doing it from the phone |
| 20:33.58 | MassStash | lol werd. but very out of "userland" eh |
| 20:33.58 | ocm | Isnt banding also really noticeable on the rho with gb? |
| 20:34.09 | MassStash | whating? |
| 20:34.11 | manekineko | banding? like color banding? |
| 20:34.14 | ocm | yes |
| 20:34.16 | manekineko | I see a lot of graphical tearing |
| 20:34.25 | ocm | like its not dithering |
| 20:34.26 | manekineko | I don't notice any banding |
| 20:34.30 | manekineko | hmm |
| 20:34.49 | ocm | It does on leo, oh well |
| 20:34.50 | MassStash | me either no banding |
| 20:35.01 | manekineko | hm nope, I'm looking at it on my background, gradients look smooth |
| 20:35.01 | ocm | like in the calculator app (stock one) |
| 20:35.23 | MassStash | froyo has this on the veeery top of screen where the not tray is. when in lanscape scrolling in say sms, this can be noticed |
| 20:35.36 | manekineko | what do you look for in the calculator? |
| 20:35.44 | ocm | the buttons |
| 20:35.51 | ocm | on leo they're extremely banded |
| 20:35.57 | ocm | prolly wrong use of that verb there but whatever |
| 20:36.20 | manekineko | hmm this might be the first time the Rhod is better than the Leo at something |
| 20:36.22 | manekineko | haha |
| 20:36.25 | ocm | lol |
| 20:36.29 | ocm | its perfect on froyo |
| 20:36.34 | ocm | prolly something with the builds i tried out |
| 20:36.42 | ocm | meh im happy with froyo anyway |
| 20:37.00 | manekineko | yeah, other than the improved speed, Gingerbread is almost exactly the same for me |
| 20:37.02 | MassStash | werd i hate that f*in leo.... my buddy has one n he's alllllways braggin.... |
| 20:37.13 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:37.16 | manekineko | damn I wish sprint had gotten that one |
| 20:37.25 | MassStash | i desire GB on nand. i bet it's naaaaaaaaaasty |
| 20:37.27 | Cotulla | ya leo |
| 20:37.28 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:37.35 | MassStash | lol |
| 20:37.42 | Cotulla | ya ya ya ya! |
| 20:37.55 | manekineko | Cotulla: anything else you wanted for that status page? |
| 20:38.06 | MassStash | he threw you some cash money too cotulla my brutha, believe me he loves it |
| 20:38.26 | Cotulla | hm more literary style will be good! |
| 20:38.30 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:38.32 | manekineko | lol |
| 20:38.40 | Cotulla | looks nice |
| 20:38.41 | manekineko | I can redo it in iambia pentameter |
| 20:38.49 | manekineko | *iambic |
| 20:38.51 | MassStash | lmao |
| 20:38.58 | ocm | It is a really nice phone but since the screen is bigger at the same res the banding is more noticeable |
| 20:39.07 | MassStash | yup |
| 20:39.09 | manekineko | yeah that might be it |
| 20:39.10 | ocm | just sucks for themes since it doesnt really impact video or anything of the sort |
| 20:39.20 | ocm | but im a stock-theme fag so idc |
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| 20:40.18 | MN_ | ocm yeah i get the same issue on gb |
| 20:40.26 | MN_ | i think its a gb problem |
| 20:40.40 | ocm | good to know its not just me lol |
| 20:41.27 | ocm | I would rather have that than a resistive ts though |
| 20:41.38 | MN_ | multitouch ftw |
| 20:41.46 | manekineko | I would rather have a Leo than a Rhod, period |
| 20:41.51 | ocm | hahaha |
| 20:42.00 | Cotulla | I wanna resistive ts |
| 20:42.05 | ocm | ...why |
| 20:42.14 | Cotulla | device like rhod |
| 20:42.16 | Cotulla | but remove all inside |
| 20:42.23 | Cotulla | \and put there 8660 with 1 GB ram |
| 20:42.35 | MN_ | lol :D |
| 20:42.36 | ocm | Im gonna wait until HTC releases some dual core phones so i can upgrade, theres nothing reallty interesting atm. I'll prolly get something new around aug/sep |
| 20:42.39 | Cotulla | bcz I can use stylus |
| 20:42.41 | MN_ | do it |
| 20:42.56 | ocm | oh meh |
| 20:43.18 | manekineko | is there any way we can tweak the driver for the resistive touch screen on the Rhod to be more sensitive? |
| 20:43.19 | MN_ | tuesday they gonna announce new phones |
| 20:43.27 | manekineko | might make the Android experience better |
| 20:43.56 | ocm | lol i have a feeling Cotulla is going to hate this: http://dvice.com/assets_c/2010/11/acer-iconia-1-thumb-550xauto-52035.jpg |
| 20:43.57 | manekineko | I think there was a setting in WinMo for sensitivity, though I'm not sure |
| 20:44.25 | manekineko | looks like that crazy new Kyocera phone, embiggened |
| 20:44.59 | ocm | I would pay extra to have a physical keyboard on my laptop |
| 20:45.42 | MN_ | does the rhod have a front facing camera |
| 20:46.03 | manekineko | European GSM models do |
| 20:46.07 | manekineko | others don't |
| 20:46.43 | ocm | Europe usually gets better deals lol |
| 20:46.57 | ocm | one big exception being leo |
| 20:47.13 | manekineko | though the American CDMA rhods have a headset jack, which is nice |
| 20:47.27 | manekineko | European cell phone plans are a lot cheaper too |
| 20:47.34 | ocm | how many versions are there... |
| 20:47.52 | manekineko | heh there's like 10 kinda of rhods |
| 20:48.04 | ocm | funfun must be a shitstorm for devas |
| 20:48.06 | ocm | devs* |
| 20:48.07 | manekineko | but most most of them differ only in their keyboard layouts |
| 20:48.30 | manekineko | basically there's 3 big types I think, Euro GSM, American GSM and CDmA |
| 20:48.43 | ocm | ah |
| 20:49.56 | MN_ | cotulla nice i see you were working on android foe |
| 20:50.05 | MN_ | the hd mini |
| 20:50.28 | MN_ | gonna test in a bit :) |
| 20:52.36 | MassStash | resistive is nice in winter when my gloves work :) |
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| 20:53.14 | MassStash | n dont forget bout the weird zoombar rhod got |
| 20:53.44 | manekineko | even if all the hardware was working, I don't know what we can use that zoombar for |
| 20:53.57 | manekineko | seems like anything that we could use it for would need a patch to the app as well |
| 20:54.16 | manekineko | and who is going to recode apps for XDAndroid Rhodiums? |
| 20:54.28 | MassStash | right idk. cool tweak in winmo to make it operate like a dpad |
| 20:54.36 | MN_ | make it a trackball |
| 20:55.03 | MassStash | yea like the scroll wheel would be business |
| 20:55.24 | MassStash | speically in landscape when its erganomical |
| 20:55.47 | Cotulla | zoombar is part of touchscreen? |
| 20:56.15 | Cotulla | looks like yes |
| 20:56.16 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:56.18 | manekineko | yeah |
| 20:56.20 | MassStash | i believe thats how it works |
| 20:56.21 | Cotulla | I press there |
| 20:56.41 | Cotulla | and able to deform it |
| 20:56.56 | manekineko | yeah it's just an extended part of the touch screen |
| 20:57.33 | manekineko | it operates as a dpad in WinMo with a tweak? |
| 20:57.42 | manekineko | does it go up and down too or only left and right? |
| 20:58.50 | Cotulla | dunno I never used it at all |
| 20:58.51 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:59.03 | manekineko | that would be a cool tweak if it could be made to work as a trackball |
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| 21:03.26 | Ceesheim | Cotulla may I ask you another question about wp7 ? |
| 21:03.42 | MassStash | no |
| 21:03.45 | MassStash | M |
| 21:03.51 | MassStash | ?* |
| 21:04.13 | MassStash | just ask |
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