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00:47.58knight21244hello I just downloaded the 2.2 Blazn to my HTC TP2 and I have not activated the phone yet so I do not have data on it yet and it says that the launcher pro needs updated and it won,t let me go past browser page asking me to download the update I have downloaded the new version on my computer but I need to know where to cut and paste the old and new one at please help thanks.
00:54.28knight21244um hello I need some help please
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01:53.33Tplane37have some input on the <ProjectAndroid2.2Froyo.012311.cab> and the issues installing it
01:54.45Tplane37I had the same issues as a couple other users in the forum, but I do not know exactly where the issue lies, so I will share what I did to get it installed on my tp2... if it is okay with you guys ... so that someone a little more experienced can pin point the issue
01:55.50Tplane37I am refering to the issue of "MJG Project Android Rebuild" cannot be installed
01:56.42Tplane37what I ultimately had to do was install <ProjectAndroid2.1AOSP.061610.cab> (which installs flawlessly)
01:57.43Tplane37and then BEFORE I ran Haret.exe for the first time, I had to manually move all of the files from <XDAnroid2.2Froyo.012211.rar> to their appropriate locations on the SD Card
01:58.13Tplane37in the process, I manually deleted everything in <\conf> prior to putting the appropriate Froyo file in there
01:58.52Tplane37then, after replacing everything, I ran haret, it was then, and only then, that I was able to complete the installation and run the froyo
01:59.44Tplane37I am sure I have extra files that the froyo zImage, root, and module are not using on my card, and I fear I am going to run into stability issues due to how I installed this... but I thought I would share my findings
02:00.34Tplane37when examining the two cab file mentioned above, the main difference (desides the obvious file comparisons) is that the Froyo cab did not contain a <_setup.xml>
02:01.13Tplane37which in my experiences in WinMo, this can sometimes be an issue as it confuses the device as to where it is supposed to put the files, and ultimately can result in the same error some users are reporting
02:02.05Tplane37hope this helps find a result, I may or may not have the time throughout the week to write a setup.xml for the froyo cab to see if that is the key issue on the cab installer, but I feel that it may be the root of the installation issue
02:03.53Tplane37non the less, I am rather impressed with the work that has been done on xdandriod to date. I must extend my gratitude to the devs that have devoted the countless hours into the project. I just wish I could have had the time to devote to learning the OS back when discusions first started on running android on the TP2
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02:17.44AstainHellbringTplane37 hey dude
02:17.56Tplane37yo
02:18.11Tplane37what have you been up to lately?
02:19.02AstainHellbringnot much working hard
02:19.10Tplane37know the feeling
02:19.15Tplane37on thrids now
02:19.19AstainHellbringstill doing the ranch thing?
02:19.23Tplane3710 hr nights and 6 nights a week
02:19.27Tplane37trying to
02:19.31AstainHellbringdamn
02:19.40Tplane37but landlord aint cooperating on getting the barn roof done
02:19.57AstainHellbringwent into work at 9:30 last night stopped working at like 4:30 in the morning
02:20.02AstainHellbringdamn landlords suck
02:20.32Tplane37this is the first time I have play with droid on my TP2
02:20.43Tplane37...different... could get used to it ;)
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03:38.03WisTilt2jonpry! very long time no see. how goes it with you?
03:39.00jonprygot a new computer :p
03:39.12jonpryhow is it with you? i've been utilizing your work
03:40.01WisTilt2busy on our device thats about to go to certification in less than a month.  how ya doing on your device project?
03:40.47jonpryrev1 pcb should be arriving soon. its done being made, but shipping is complicated. i'm almost finished designing plastics.
03:41.36WisTilt2sounds like you've come a long way.  interested to see it.
03:41.50jonpryi'll keep you informed
03:41.55WisTilt2you still down in carribean?
03:41.59jonpryyep
03:42.41WisTilt2nice.  i need a vacation down there for a month or so lol.  thinking of taking my wife down to our old stomping grounds in Saint Martin for a few weeks this spring.
03:42.56jonpryah, i hear its nice there
03:43.05jonprycan get blown away by the jets
03:43.33WisTilt2french side is pretty quiet, dutch side is pretty crowded
03:43.53jonprythey have a cheapo med school somewhere
03:44.28WisTilt2airport is on dutch side so we'll hang out in Marigot.  no med school when we lived there but that was almost 25yrs ago
03:44.56jonprywhy did you go back?
03:45.47jonprythe rum is not nearly as cheap in the us
03:45.57WisTilt2wanted to have my kids back here in us for school.  they were 3 and 5 when we were down there and they went to a dutch school but not what i wanted them to go through older.
03:46.38WisTilt2damn, rum was so much cheaper than normal things like milk when we lived there.  cigars also:)
03:46.48jonpryyes, the expats children who have grown up here are always a sight
03:47.39jonpryalways end up being sailors :p
03:48.04WisTilt2lol yeah not what my kids would fit into well.
03:48.33WisTilt2so you been following all the progress on this project?
03:49.00jonpryi've been informed periodically
03:49.13jonprysome camera'sh stuff
03:49.21jonprybetter 3d. people messing with .35
03:49.31jonpryRIL is fubar
03:49.48jonprypowerman sux
03:50.30jonprybut people have foregone all the progress in favor of a broken gingerbread build
03:50.40WisTilt2yeah ril needs rewrite.  im rewriting pm the past few days.  with panel collapse, which i need to commit still, we're far under 1% per hour in sleep.
03:51.04jonprywhat is panel collapse?
03:51.38jonprybringing it down like a ton of bricks?
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03:51.44WisTilt2i fixed all the mddi init/dinits in board file to do full power down
03:52.19WisTilt2huge savings in power with that.  i see .5% and with a pm change a couple nights ago im seeing 2% every 8hrs:)
03:53.09jonpryhmm. i'm getting about 30 hours on my phone now. i think its a pretty recent kernel
03:53.13jonpry7 days old maybe
03:53.50jonpryis there someway to do suspend to sd card?
03:54.17WisTilt2i havent committed any of this stuff yet, only had numerous testers try it on rhod 210-500.  i gave bzo my code and he got close to 70hrs on his phone and dont think it was fully discharged yet.
03:54.52jonprygimme!
03:55.18WisTilt2sd card is kinda being shutdown from what im seeing but havent examined it fully yet.
03:55.31jonpryi mean turn off ram
03:55.38jonpryand maybe even processor :p
03:55.55jonpryi guess we power down a11 as it is
03:56.21WisTilt2well, arm11 is fully powered off, cant turn off arm9 though without losing everything for calls and data
03:56.33jonprybut ram
03:57.36jonpryram is useless
03:58.24WisTilt2would have to isolate some of the background stuff to fully shut down ram i'd think.  will arm9 still run like that?  dont know if any ram is being accessed with any background data or ril stuff in suspend.
03:58.50jonpryi think a9 runs out of smem
03:59.13jonprycause we can clobber all of ebi1 and ebi2 assuming you don't want 3d, sound, etc
04:00.05WisTilt2isnt there something like 110mb or so used by ebi1 and 2?
04:01.13WisTilt2as long as we init it back up in resume it shouldnt matter i guess.
04:01.55WisTilt2pretty much whats happening with panel collapse now.  fully power down and all registers are just reconfig'd on wake
04:02.00jonpryiirc we have used close to all of the sdram at somepoint, it just killed some services
04:04.12jonprylooks like ram should use about 15-30ma to keep allive
04:04.16WisTilt2bzo's pll fix for overclocking helped a lot so sleep mode 0 and 1 can run now.
04:04.58WisTilt2damn, thats quite a bit of drain... could write ram image to sd card on suspend and reload it similar to hibernation
04:05.00jonprywhich in theory is close to your 70 hour consumption rate
04:05.39jonprybut i honestly do not understand this datasheet
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04:06.43arrrghhhWisTilt2, what's up.  just read your email
04:06.43WisTilt2well reducing 15-30ma is certainly worth taking a look at that for sure
04:07.01WisTilt2hey arrrghhh. nice find there mr tester
04:07.07arrrghhhheh
04:07.13arrrghhhi wasn't able to confirm it tho
04:07.16WisTilt2i told you the problem was userland:)
04:07.31arrrghhhhahaha yea i bet stinebd is thrilled.
04:07.37arrrghhhseems even native android devices have issues with it
04:07.40arrrghhhbut not like we do.
04:07.50arrrghhhbasically whenever you touch the screen, system_server spikes.
04:07.56WisTilt2i did.  frx04, both F22 rootfs and frx04 rootfs, my kernel, not a single issue since then
04:07.59arrrghhhwhich i confirmed as well... very odd process, this system_server is.
04:08.06arrrghhhhuh.
04:08.11arrrghhhwell JIT causes other insane issues
04:08.17arrrghhhand disabling it squashed those bugs.
04:08.17WisTilt2thats normal as long as it doesnt keep it pegged like before
04:08.18arrrghhhgo figure
04:08.33arrrghhhwell i don't think it should be normal
04:08.48arrrghhhthere was posts about people saying it's not optimized blah blah
04:08.59arrrghhhtheir friends can't port their iphone games to android because of it
04:09.00arrrghhhetc
04:09.30stinebdspiking is normal on touch, considering the cpu is probably scaled down at first, and you've got input handling, plus the inevitable surfaceflinger action as a response, etc
04:09.32WisTilt2the way JIT works it makes sense why that problem went away.  the other problems it caused are timing issues i bet
04:09.43arrrghhhstinebd, agreed
04:09.52arrrghhhsomething has to spike to process that input
04:10.12arrrghhhwell JIT isn't optimized for our proc arch
04:10.19arrrghhhno love for armv6
04:10.24stinebdjit isn't supported whatsoever for armv5te
04:10.26jonpryWisTilt2: nm i think it is 5ma or so. but only at 1.8v. however it might be possible to shutdown the whole freaking 1.8v rail
04:10.55jonpryi thought we had armv6
04:11.17WisTilt2jonpry: does it power off the common rail or have its own?
04:11.29WisTilt2rhod is armv6
04:12.09jonpryWisTilt2: i'm not sure what else is on it. but 1.8v is potentially not used for anything but ram
04:12.28WisTilt2and light sensor reference voltage:)
04:12.41WisTilt2but thats in panel hw
04:12.43jonprywho needs that
04:13.07WisTilt2i do lol.  i rewrote all the lcd autobl code outside of microp so fully in panel now
04:13.28jonpryunless radio is running on it, everything else can just be turned on later
04:13.59jonpryer, for that matter, putting ram into powerdown is 10ma
04:14.11jonpryaka shutdown ebi1 clock
04:14.47WisTilt2ram has no suspend mode other than killing the clock?
04:15.30jonprytheres some timing to it. but its more or less, don't use it for a while, do something with CKE, then stop the clock a certain polarity
04:18.39WisTilt2stinebd: i did some tracing after hearing about the JIT deal and with JIT off, during network registration there is runaway code, with JIT on it is fine.  thats why the traps i set in binder were showing all those buffer allocation errors saying there was no memory available.  dont know if that helps or not but thats the jist of whats happening.
04:20.15WisTilt2arrrghhh: is panel waking all the time now with JIT on?
04:20.22jonpryyou guys want to turn it back on?
04:20.53WisTilt2jonpry: with it off its pegging system_server nearly every boot
04:21.35jonpryi dunno. seems like it was *way* more broken before it got turned off
04:22.08arrrghhhyea
04:22.17arrrghhhWisTilt2, i've been running gb
04:22.23arrrghhhand panel wakes beautifully
04:22.33arrrghhhkeep getting soft resets to winmo tho
04:22.41arrrghhhi'm assuming kernel panics, gonna pull that poop
04:22.59jonpryis gb w/ JIT?
04:23.04stinebdarrrghhh: still no system_server issues in ginger?
04:23.05WisTilt2see if you're seeing more of those division by zero's in kernel with gb
04:23.23arrrghhhstinebd, not a ONE
04:23.30stinebdgingerbread has no jit
04:23.39jonprywhat?!
04:23.41arrrghhhWisTilt2, that whole "end call without a call" shows up in every log if you noticed.
04:23.52stinebdgingerbread also has no sensors
04:23.55arrrghhhWisTilt2, what msg am i lookin fer
04:24.00arrrghhhyea gb is missing quite a bit
04:24.06arrrghhhi was showing it off today lol
04:24.10stinebdarrrghhh: have you tried froyo without sensors?
04:24.19stinebdand without jit
04:24.31jonpryyou mean no JIT, likes its not on or doesn't work, not that it isn't possible?
04:24.37arrrghhhno
04:24.45arrrghhhstinebd, i've never tried froyo with no sensors...
04:24.48stinebdnot on, might work but haven't tried
04:24.48arrrghhhso just remove the libs?
04:24.59stinebdjust remove /lib/froyo/hw/sensors.default.so
04:25.01stinebdfrom rootfs
04:25.13stinebdor misplace it
04:25.19stinebdwhichever you prefer
04:25.21jonpryi hate sensors
04:26.17stinebdsensors is one of a few big showstoppers before gingerbread release
04:27.06jonpryexciting times
04:27.15jonpryhoneycomb?
04:27.22jonpryer es2.0
04:27.24arrrghhhother than the email thing
04:27.28arrrghhhthe browser thing
04:27.33stinebdwhat's the email thing?
04:27.37arrrghhhand the complete lack of sensors
04:27.40arrrghhhgb is awesome
04:27.51arrrghhhstinebd, every email i open goes to a black screen, then back to main email.  this is a gmail addy
04:28.04stinebdin the gmail app?
04:28.06jonprylol
04:28.12arrrghhhyessir stinebd
04:28.13jonpryjust install k9
04:28.14stinebdgood
04:28.16stinebdk9 is better
04:28.33arrrghhhk9 eh
04:28.38arrrghhhnever heard of it lol
04:28.43arrrghhhis an android noob still
04:29.05jonpryits not your fault, you have a winmo phone
04:29.08stinebdeasily one of the most elegant push-capable mobile email clients
04:29.13arrrghhhjonpry, lol
04:29.21arrrghhhi'll check it out, thx
04:29.32arrrghhhalways open to ways of doing things better
04:29.54stinebdand it integrates with saymyname
04:30.08stinebdso when i'm in public people can hear when i get viagra spam
04:30.42jonpryi tried to get k9 people to add an unattended emailing feature today
04:30.45jonprythey didn't like it
04:31.00jonprywon't accept my patches
04:31.17arrrghhhlol
04:31.27stinebdfork it
04:31.33stinebdk9x
04:31.40jonpryk9 spam outlet
04:32.11arrrghhhWisTilt2, yea... lots of kernel panics.  do you want the logs?
04:32.34WisTilt2yes please
04:32.40stinebdis that expected to be a rhod-only thing?
04:32.40arrrghhhkk
04:33.12arrrghhhWisTilt2, http://pastebin.com/c5wSs7BS <--- last_kmsg from the last reboot
04:34.20WisTilt2what kernel is that?
04:34.29arrrghhhlast one you threw me
04:34.30stinebdtiad8's super kernel
04:34.34arrrghhhlmao
04:34.39WisTilt2very last?
04:34.42arrrghhhyup
04:34.47arrrghhhunless there's a newer one...
04:34.55arrrghhhsorry it didn't have the beginning
04:35.00arrrghhhi have LOTS more... 1sec :P
04:35.16stinebdoh god, he's gonna need a pastebin for all the pastebin urls
04:35.44WisTilt2damn, stinebd: did you add more led notification stuff in gb by chance?
04:35.51stinebdno
04:36.25arrrghhhthere's a SYSTEM_TOMBSTONE
04:36.28arrrghhhlol
04:37.12WisTilt2well i can tell you your not getting kernel panics from the battery code like before
04:37.29arrrghhhWisTilt2, Fri Feb 4 23:03:31 PST 2011
04:37.37arrrghhhis the build date of the last kernel you gave me.
04:38.07WisTilt2yes thats the last one where i removed the binder traps
04:38.07jonprystill working on camro's divide by zero's?
04:38.17arrrghhhWisTilt2, http://pastebin.com/Lex68kjD
04:38.28WisTilt2jonpry: just started working on them, just noticed them a few days ago actually.
04:38.30arrrghhhanother last_kmsg in my dropbox.  i've got... several, let's put it that way :P
04:39.13stinebdWisTilt2: if you want to play around with the mess that is gingerbread i can link you to the same testing image arrrghhh has
04:39.24jonpryWisTilt2: if you want to work on that kind of stuff, i am well versed in how to make a working battery meter
04:40.06arrrghhhjonpry, please do!  camro did good work on the algo, but i don't think he really finished implementing it...
04:40.11WisTilt2stinebd: that would be helpful.  it almost looks like notifications are triggering code in the kernel that doesnt exist yet
04:40.29jonprybleh, i think his whole plan is not grounded in reality
04:40.37arrrghhhlol
04:40.44arrrghhhi can't speak to that unfortunately.
04:41.14WisTilt2jonpry: yes i figured you would be.  maybe we can tackle it next week if you're up to it.
04:41.29jonpryhe refused to do even the simplest thing, like calculate the impedance of the battery
04:41.47stinebdbig words
04:41.48jonprylet alone calculate the charge dependent impedance
04:41.58arrrghhhmore big words
04:42.03jonpryi'm sure wistilt2 knows what i mean
04:42.14arrrghhh:P we know what you mean, but i don't think camro did.
04:42.19stinebdohm my goodness
04:42.21stinebdruns
04:42.22arrrghhhlol
04:42.27jonprylol
04:46.20WisTilt2not to mention full charge is set all the time so battery never hits 100% in reality i noticed and is far from accurate until its well under 90% or so
04:47.04jonpryimho the big problem is that it won't work with different batteries/aging batteries
04:47.42jonpryanswering a question like wtf is up with this particular battery is complicated. and he did all of that work, but its mostly for his battery
04:48.36arrrghhhyea, it seems quite inaccurate.  it also goes back to 100%, but we've talked about that :P
04:48.50arrrghhhhahaha
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04:48.57arrrghhhso battery meter is perfect for him
04:48.59arrrghhhwhat's up bzo
04:49.07arrrghhhwhich is ironic, as his battery is kaput...
04:49.12jonprylol
04:49.19WisTilt2if you plug it into a charger 500ma or higher the battery never really hits full charge even though it reports 100%
04:49.27bzohey argrghhh, damn tired, driving all day
04:49.35arrrghhhheh that sucks
04:49.45arrrghhhi shoveled snow and stuffed my face while watching football.  not a bad day.
04:49.52stinebdall at the same time?
04:49.54stinebdimpressive
04:49.57jonpryduh, cause at such high currents, the impedance is a huge part, and he doesn't compensate for it
04:50.00arrrghhhstinebd, they were separate.
04:50.07jonpryhey bzo
04:50.19stinebdless imprsesive
04:50.22bzohey jonpry, good to see you back
04:50.27arrrghhhjonpry, he doesn't compensate for any peripherals either.
04:50.37arrrghhhstinebd, yea... i'm not very impressive.
04:50.46stinebdok i'm tired and i work tomorrow. time for bed
04:50.58jonprycya
04:50.58arrrghhhg'nite
04:51.14WisTilt2nite stinebd:  ill test your link
04:51.15jonprybzo, you got the cam working?
04:51.23stinebdWisTilt2: thanks
04:51.40bzojonpry: yeah, though jbruneaux fixed most of the tricky stuff
04:51.48jonprydo tell
04:52.12bzowell the first thing which is not so tricky I guess is that we forgot to enable the vfe rail
04:52.33jonpryi thought there was concerted effort to do that
04:52.45bzothe tricker thing which jb did a lot of tracing to fix was some dsp incompatibility
04:53.12jonpryyou hacked the qcamlib?
04:53.14arrrghhhhe did some awesome work, for phones he does not have.
04:53.35bzothere were some problems on the kernel side
04:53.47bzowhich actually ended up being fixed in newer kernels
04:53.53jonpry:p
04:53.58bzobut he figure out the fixes before we realized that
04:54.10bzothe binary lib also required some patching
04:54.28jonprythats impressive work
04:54.43jonprynot merged in though?
04:54.45arrrghhhjerome did some incredible work
04:54.53bzothat was the dream lib
04:55.00arrrghhheven got 5mp working on blackstone
04:55.04arrrghhhbut no commits to main tree
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04:55.09bzohe subsequentyly moved on to a newer lib that is not compatible, but patched it to make it so
04:55.18arrrghhhmadman
04:55.27bzono, not merged, yet and there is a lot of stuff piling up in his branch
04:55.38arrrghhhindeed
04:55.47jonprybinary patches. RMS please save us
04:56.05bzoyeah, it sucks
04:56.31bzobut we seem to be doing more of it lately. We're running patched 3d qcom libs now too
04:57.25jonprygralloc has been going on for a long time no?
04:57.39arrrghhhgot patched recently
04:57.44bzoyeah, but we compile gralloc
04:57.45arrrghhhwith libgles
04:58.03arrrghhhyou don't compile that... do you?
04:58.07bzothe qcom lib is hard coded for hvga framebuffer size which we need to match to gralloc
04:58.13jonpryi guess i have not seen this whole process
04:58.38jonprynever got to work on 3d, because i didn't understand any of it really
04:59.20bzoso saw you mention earlier you're almost done with your tablet?
04:59.24jonpryso you have source for gles and gralloc
04:59.38bzoonly gralloc, it's part of the android build
04:59.45bzothe qualcomm gles stuff is closed
05:00.09bzoand really, the gralloc stuff does almost nothing
05:00.14jonpry:p
05:00.25bzojust a layer to manage some graphic memory allocation
05:00.26jonpryyeah my tablet it coming along. building rev1 now
05:00.37jonpryrev0 was not terribly successful though
05:01.20bzoso what kind of initial production qualities do you have to order for a batch?
05:01.29bzos/qualities/quantities
05:01.38jonpryi just buy one pcb, and sometimes get 2
05:01.58bzohow about the plastics and other hardware?
05:02.00jonpryi solder the bastards together down here in the 3rd world
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05:02.31bzoyou have a reflow oven?
05:02.39jonprywell, the plastics i am going to have prototyped SLA
05:03.00jonpryi have a toaster oven and a flashy controller
05:03.06jonpryw/ thermocouple
05:03.33bzoI'm amazed at how resiliant surface mount stuff can be
05:03.47bzoI upgraded the memory in my router the other day just using a jet lighter to desolder and reflow the new part
05:03.52jonprybigger problem is the assemble. paste print is easy. but bga requires blind and accurate, one shot one kill
05:04.09jonprylol
05:04.40bzoso how do you align the bga stuff?
05:04.42jonpryslash i could not solder the omap3
05:05.30jonpryi soldered the fpga and 2 ddr memories, just using no paste, high temp and lots of flux
05:05.45jonprybut the omap3 has unique problems
05:06.02jonprylike almost half of the chip has no balls
05:06.06jonpryand there .65mm
05:06.39jonpryat least i think this is the cause. and the gas pressure from the flux seems to lift the mother up and it goes for a ride
05:06.56jonprylike it just shot right off of the board
05:07.09bzodamn, I can barely deal with pins I can actually see on the smd stuff
05:07.45jonpryi'm going to add weight the next time around
05:08.01jonprylike double the chips weight somehow
05:08.15bzoso are you just aligning the chip by eyeing it?
05:08.22jonpryi also tried epoxying little guides around it
05:08.34jonprysince i'm not using paste, its not one shot one kill
05:08.52jonpryi have special silk screen to allow alignment
05:10.03jonpryhttp://imagebin.org/136527
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05:11.05bzodamn man, how many bga parts do you have on there?
05:11.06jonpryi think there are 10 bga's on it
05:12.30bzois that picture something like a 2x magnification?
05:12.36WisTilt2jonpry: impressive.  you have a local company setup to do the board etching or have to send it off?
05:12.47jonprypcb-pool
05:13.33jonpryi spent some years trying to start a pcb-fab, but that is a long story
05:13.38WisTilt2so you just pay a flat rate for X number of blanks during proto?
05:13.53jonprythey charge by the sq/in more or less
05:14.02jonpryno point in qty, just spin more revs
05:15.32jonprybut i'm thinking 6 layer may not cut it anymore
05:15.55bzo8 is more typical for something like this, no?
05:15.56jonprybzo: i'm not sure about the mag. but the board is like 3x4"
05:16.22jonpryat least. its mostly that my power plane is too sliced up
05:16.31jonpryi could use at least 3 more
05:17.04jonprybut i am far too lazy to use a 3d field solver to figure out what will go wrong
05:17.31bzowhat software are you using for schematics and layout?
05:18.13jonpryorcad capture and pcb editor
05:20.39bzoorcad looks pretty high end
05:20.45jonpryi'm guessing the reason for not slicing up the planes is so that you don't need a 3d field solver
05:21.24jonprythere really not much software that will do serpentine routes and such
05:21.28jonpryaltium
05:22.54bzoguess eagle is not going to cut it :)
05:23.32jonpryno, probably not
05:25.00jonpryimho all the tools are pretty dumb
05:26.02jonpryi really like SPICE, and its the only thing that is free
05:27.25bzocan't remember the last time I used that
05:27.37bzoprobably not since I was in school
05:27.38jonprykicad is actually a reasonable tool for drawing, but the autorouter is a piece
05:27.49jonprywhat do you do now?
05:27.58jonpryjust sw?
05:28.22bzoyeah, funny enough my degree is EE, but all I've done since then is software
05:28.32jonprythats usually the story
05:28.40jonpryi'm CS, but all i do is hardware
05:28.47bzolol
05:29.02bzothough sometimes I wonder if I should have been a mech e
05:29.16bzoI find it more satisfying to make something tangible
05:29.37jonpryEE is a better degree, lots of good calc and phys. CS is more like combinatorics and statistics
05:30.21bzoat least in my computer engineering specialty, there was a ton overlap
05:30.37bzoif I wasn't lazy, I could have gotten a double major by taking 2 more courses
05:31.32bzoof course if I wasn't lazy maybe I would have tried the other disciplines
05:31.42bzothey are much harder
05:31.43jonpryfor sure
05:32.19jonpryi've seen a lot of idiot programmers, but never an idiot engineer
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05:32.48bzoI suppose coding is something you can dabble in, much less so in engineering
05:33.41jonpryunless you have SPICE
05:34.35bzobrowsing that imagebin site is kinda mesmerizing
05:34.49jonpryfor sure
05:34.51bzokinda like intercepting open wifi traffic in an conference
05:35.10jonprypastebin is too
05:35.44jonpryali1234 slapped something up
05:36.05bzois that minecraft?
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05:36.49jonpryi have no idea
05:37.00bzoso random, stock trades, emc2 config, self portraits, lol
05:37.05jonprybut i do know that i have the fastest computer in my whole country
05:37.26bzodid you splurge on sandy bridge?
05:37.34jonpryyeah
05:37.39jonprygot myself a recall
05:37.55jonprybought a y560p the day it was released
05:38.19bzocan you imagine the engineer's reaction when the first discovered the problem?
05:38.40jonprythe dude you just lost 750mil reaction?
05:39.39bzoimpressive they fessed up to it right away though
05:39.52jonpryi think there are other problems
05:40.14jonprymine can't get out of s3 reliably and others have mentioned it
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05:40.42jonprythere talking about overvolting the PLL on resume. but it requires a bios update, that nobody is doing
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05:42.02bzois your y560p going to be recalled? I though the laptops weren't going to be since they only use the non broken sata channels?
05:42.04jonprymeanwhile they pulled the plug on the y560p, but the hdd is hooked up to the 6.0 gbps port, which is unaffected
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05:42.25jonprythere not selling them anymore, so something is wrong
05:42.33jonprybut i agree it is not sata
05:42.59bzoI suppose this would be a convenient cover story for a more embarassing issue
05:43.23jonprywhatever that would be
05:44.08jonprywhat could be more embarrassing than recalling a billion dollars of stuff
05:46.27jonprythe thing is freaking fast though. like stuff that took 5 minutes on my turion x2 heater takes 5 seconds
05:49.12bzoamd chips never have been great on laptops
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05:52.02jonpryphenom x6 looks like quite the deal though
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05:52.42bzoyeah, likely the next desktop upgrade I go for
05:53.04bzomy core 2 duo is starting to feel a bit ancient
05:54.22jonpryi calculated it all out, and it would cost the same for a phenom desktop and monitor and sandybridge laptop
05:54.35WisTilt2jonpry: ill catch you sometime this week to talk battery if you're around.  need to hit the sack.  later guys.
05:54.42jonpryk, cya
05:55.17jonpryoh man, looks like lenovo is offering full refund
05:56.18bzowow, you gonna send it back?
05:57.01jonpryi've been having second thoughts.
05:57.24jonprythe hp with 1080p screen is only $100 more
05:58.43bzosuch a pain getting everything setup again though
05:59.22jonprythats not a big deal, i can just copy the hd
05:59.34jonprybig problem is me living in grenada
05:59.42jonpryshipping is 2 weeks out, 2 weeks in
06:00.04bzohave any problems with customs?
06:00.09jonpryand high risk
06:00.14bzothey sure seem to like tp2s
06:00.20jonprynot really, they charge 5% on computer
06:00.31jonpryi insured it fully
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06:01.09jonpryso like 50 on the computer is not totally painful
06:01.45jonprybut it did take me almost 2 hours to wait in all the various lines
06:02.35bzoI can barely comprehend that
06:03.22jonprycustoms is a big deal here. island imports everything right
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06:04.52themenacealguien que hable espanol
06:05.12jonpryso like first stop is the i intend to import something office, which you fill out some form, wait in a line, get it stamped, says you potentially owe $250 dollars. then you go to concessions, say you shouldn't have to pay that, pay them $2 and they give you a sticker that says you only need to pay $50
06:05.35jonprythen you wait in the permission to import line, and they look over your  crap and give you a bill
06:05.50jonprythen you take that to the ministry of finance, and pay the $50
06:06.12bzokafkaesque
06:07.21jonpryseems that way
06:07.33themenaceespanol
06:07.42jonpryporquito
06:08.03jonpryala google translato
06:08.19bzolol
06:08.47themenacemi htc pro2 ,instale froyo 2.2 pero no funciona la sd card
06:09.05jonpry"long format"
06:09.27jonpryunrar
06:09.29arrrghhhthemenace, full format with hp format tool
06:09.42arrrghhh^^ http://www.eocfiles.com/bdc86eb1ed2989c30dcd1902e84939ae/bootdisks/SP27608.exe
06:12.42themenacefroyo 2.2. is ready in me htc pro2, now I have 1 problem, sd card not work?
06:13.05jonpryfroyo booted?
06:13.27jonpryarrancar?
06:13.33arrrghhhthemenace, do what i said pls.
06:14.05arrrghhhi'm betting apps aren't recognizing the SD.  which for better or worse, we've narrowed down to crappy format utilites - like the built in ones in WinMo or Windoze...
06:14.25themenaceno have space in sd card?
06:14.47arrrghhhthemenace, what are you trying to do
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06:15.14bzogotta go, catch you later jonpry, arrrghhh
06:15.18jonpryjust reformat it using arrggghhh's utility
06:15.29jonprysimplemente formatear usando la utilidad de arrggghhh
06:15.56jonprylol
06:15.56arrrghhhlol
06:16.09arrrghhhjust wrong bro... just wrong :P
06:18.00themenaceinstall froyo 2.2 on the sd card and works, but does not have space sd card and the aplicasiones will be l system and then I did a route with android sdk but does not work
06:18.23arrrghhhthemenace, what are you trying to do
06:19.50jonprysimplemente formatear usando la utilidad de arrggghhh
06:21.01themenacethe application is in the sd and not in the system
06:21.44arrrghhheverything is on the SD
06:25.22themenaceIf this froyo in sd but the form, then pictures and others are to the internal memory
06:25.35arrrghhhno
06:25.38arrrghhheverything is on the SD
06:26.00arrrghhhas far as Android is concerned on your TP2 at this point, everything is on the SD
06:28.51themenaceo.k. download an app, I do not have occion lower in sd because the sd is not displayed
06:29.46arrrghhhthemenace, please try what i suggested earlier.
06:32.51themenacearrghhh Thanks for everything and good night aquies 1: 30 am and working today.
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11:54.26b-maximenko*to add support
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12:57.44[Rapunzel]~seen [acl]
12:57.53apt[acl] <~abel@cpe-69-203-141-229.si.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 2d 18h 4m 40s ago, saying: 'emwe: http://pastebin.com/EPp1CvLW'.
13:17.08gauner1986where's fakker when you need him? ^^
13:18.51[Rapunzel]yeah, I proud that I know him - he is professional troll :)
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13:44.59gauner1986professional trolls are always needed
13:45.01gauner1986:)
13:46.34[Rapunzel]yeah
13:47.12[Rapunzel]it's now very required job
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14:21.48Curious_are you still here?
14:21.52Curious_go f* fix i2c
14:23.05[Rapunzel]?
14:24.02Curious_msm_i2c: error
14:24.09Curious_bla bla
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14:27.15[Rapunzel]we discussed this already
14:27.57[Rapunzel]as well as ur trolling attitude
14:28.45Curious_lololo
14:29.10Curious_gimme some i2c and i will migrate to other lands..
14:30.05gauner1986?
14:30.12gauner1986why dont you fix it yourself?
14:30.13gauner1986;)
14:30.18Curious_i tried already :D
14:30.21[Rapunzel]~seen dcordes
14:30.32aptdcordes is currently on #htc-linux #oe, last said: 'bye'.
14:30.32Curious_smells hammer
14:30.50gauner1986dcordes is too quiet these days
14:30.51gauner1986^^
14:31.06Curious_you can also fix quick gps lock bla bla
14:31.31[Rapunzel]MN in times better than this troll
14:31.35Curious_or sharp panel wakeup lag
14:32.01Curious_i troll sometimes
14:32.06Curious_but serious sometimes..
14:32.16Curious_not trolling now
14:34.50[Rapunzel]cockpoo? I still remember him
14:35.52DirkNLcan anyone ellaborate on this issue?
14:35.52DirkNLhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11170347
14:36.24Curious_cockpoo is the troll mode
14:36.35Curious_don't make me get into that mode
14:37.13Curious_nowadays, do you work on something useful for hd2?
14:43.02[Rapunzel]who cares ?
14:43.11Curious_me
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14:43.35Curious_does anyone having the problem of no-boot after using the phone with the same rom for a long time?
14:43.56gauner1986rule number 1 of the fight club is.. don't talk about the fight club
14:43.57gauner1986?
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14:45.19[Rapunzel]yeah
14:46.03Curious_shows middle fingerü
14:46.51[Rapunzel]yeah
14:47.04[Rapunzel]it's how u respect other people
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15:38.58[acl][Rapunzel]: yo
15:39.38emwehey [acl]
15:39.46[acl]how goes it
15:40.45emwefine fine. think about takling sound now on .35
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15:41.45[acl]ahh
15:41.57[acl]ive been too busy lately.. spreading myself short
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15:42.40emweyou know, sometimes i wish i also had a rhod ;)
15:43.04[acl]lol? why.. then topaz dev will go out the window
15:43.08[acl]ur like the only one.
15:43.13emwehm, right.
15:43.28emwei really miss a physkeyb ;)
15:44.35[acl]well you should get a rhod in addition to the topaz
15:44.45[acl]:-p
15:44.49emweanyway, regarding amss_para... what do you think: instead of polluting all code with amss_get_value() (or it's string version) how about statically defining all AMSS_* constants statically on amss_para init?
15:44.58emwehm, is one left somewhere? ;)
15:46.11emwe(on .35 i avoided all that amss_get_value() polution as far as i could, but it's a pain)
15:47.07[acl]we could do that. but didnt alex cook up or is cooking up a solution ?
15:47.53emwenot sure. he said he would cook something up. haven't seen sth about it yet, though.
15:48.02emweok, will try the hard way for now.
15:49.46[acl]well for now what you mentioned sounds fine. Specially if its slowing progress down.
15:50.30gauner1986emwe: don't you sometimes wish to have a leo? :)
15:50.32emweif i wouldn't have iniitally already done it the other way ;)
15:50.46emwegauner1986: i often wish i had a desire z/g2
15:50.47emwe;)
15:51.17gauner1986hm.. yeah.. it's nice. but hardware is too weak for considerung an upgrade to it for now
15:51.24gauner1986dual core ftw!
15:51.35[acl]gauner1986: dang came here to start trouble i see :-p
15:51.36emweyeah, looking forward to msm8x60
15:52.08gauner1986yeah
15:52.16gauner1986looking forward to work together with you guys then
15:52.16gauner1986:P
15:52.20emweshow the desirez to my gf lately in a market and she somehow fell in love with it ;)
15:52.43gauner1986haha, maybe it'll be your valentines day present :D
15:52.48emwethen her old tattoo can act as a xmbc remote for the to be established media center settop
15:53.02gauner1986lol
15:53.05emwes/xmbc/xbmc
15:53.06gauner1986you got a geek-gf? :)
15:53.12emweno, not really
15:53.31emwebut the tattoo is the only resistive htc device with android and she bought it because of her fingernails
15:53.40emweso any new device needs a physkeyb ;)
15:54.04emwesounds like a woodpecker when she tips sms on her tattoo ;)
15:54.10[acl]lol
15:54.29emwei hope she never reads this ;)
15:54.32emwehaha
15:58.57[acl]emwe: she might.. my ex started reading when she didnt believe i actually was this nerdy
15:59.15[acl]little did she know.. i was actually a nerd :-\
16:00.49emweshe knows how to take it. 9 years is like a marriage already.
16:01.48[acl]jeez
16:01.50[acl]9 years
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16:56.25Alex[sp3dev]emwe, [acl]: oi guys
16:59.36Alex[sp3dev]emwe: i've sort of done something with dynamic amss_para, but i think we need to rework smd and amss so that they don't get registered asynchronously and are actually registered prior to other devices. can email my current snapshot to ya, but cannot work on it now.. busy with university stuff
17:00.23[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: sup dood..
17:00.34[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: busy here as well.. :-(
17:00.37emweheya Alex[sp3dev]. i look at everthing i can get my hands on ;)
17:00.48emweAlex[sp3dev]: you are still in examn stress, right?
17:01.24Alex[sp3dev]emwe: nope... but the professors are giving very slight hints that it's high time we started working on our course projects
17:01.50emweAlex[sp3dev]: i see. then hush hush outta here :)
17:05.25Alex[sp3dev]emwe: should i send it to mweirauch|at|xdandroid.com?
17:05.44emweAlex[sp3dev]: yes, thank you.
17:08.30Alex[sp3dev]emwe: done. note that right now the qdsp will fail because it needs rpc router. i cannot think of a good way to *ensure* it gets registered after rpc router. either we create a callback in the rpc router so that it registers amss, or introduce a global conditional variable (which will.. just fuck up everything if rpc crashes)
17:10.13emweAlex[sp3dev]: thanks for the input. i first need to dig myself through. i haven't done a lot - if anything at all - in all that audio area.
17:10.58Alex[sp3dev]emwe: i assume audio will 'just work' if you enable qdsp5.. although we'll need to re-add platform controls
17:11.03Alex[sp3dev]ok, gotta go. see you later
17:11.09emwethx
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17:28.41[Rapunzel]hey Alex
17:31.36[Rapunzel]heh he leave
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19:18.35[Rapunzel]hey
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19:24.34L_miller1708[acl] You want me to dump my whole folder?
19:33.59[acl]L_miller1708: just cat out the /dev/mtd/mtd3 > /sdcard/mtd3.img
19:35.14L_miller1708Ok.
19:40.14L_miller1708Uploading it now.
19:41.14[acl]L_miller1708: im at work so no need to upload. can you open with hex editor ?
19:41.26L_miller1708ok sure..
19:43.32L_miller1708I have it opened.
19:43.59[acl]stuff in there ?
19:44.16L_miller1708yup.
19:44.23[acl]hmm
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19:44.48[acl][Rapunzel]: do you know if we can mount a mtd dump as loop ?
19:45.05gauner1986[acl]: doesn't work
19:45.08[Rapunzel]no
19:45.16gauner1986[acl]: yaffs2 doesnt want it
19:45.18[Rapunzel]for yaffs2 - not
19:45.46[acl]ahh ok fellas
19:46.28[acl]gauner1986: maybe you can guide us
19:46.57L_miller1708I have to take off. sorry. Talk to you all later.
19:47.02gauner1986[acl]: with what?
19:47.06[acl]L_miller1708: thanks .. later
19:47.33[acl]gauner1986: Lmiller said after he reboots his nand partions appear blank again
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19:48.14gauner1986[acl]: hum.. nand broken? ^^
19:48.27gauner1986or bootloader clears it
19:48.38[acl]gauner1986: hmm
19:48.48[acl]gauner1986: not sure if its a yaffs issue or nand
19:48.56[Rapunzel]or maybe it's write protected
19:49.01[Rapunzel]and u very lucky
19:49.04[Rapunzel]...
19:49.17[acl]lol.. nope. because originally i was able to
19:49.31[acl]but it was buggy as in only certain files would be visible
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19:49.38[Rapunzel]hey Alex
19:49.44[acl]so lets say i untar /system. Only a hand full of files would be there after
19:49.45Alex[sp3dev]hi
19:49.53[Rapunzel]how ur SEXLDR
19:49.53[Rapunzel]?
19:50.21Alex[sp3dev][Rapunzel]: i have almost written the ld script. but no time for that.. need to work on my course project. really
19:50.21[acl]gauner1986: so thats whats happening :-)
19:50.29[Rapunzel]hehe :)
19:50.43[Rapunzel]X1 have this sexy button near camera?
19:50.49gauner1986[acl]: that's strange
19:50.56Alex[sp3dev][Rapunzel]: which one?
19:51.09[Rapunzel]I found such one on TP2. it's so sexyyy
19:51.16gauner1986[acl]: don't think it's yaffs fault.. but have you played with yaffs kernel options?
19:51.17[Rapunzel]near camera circle button
19:51.17[Rapunzel]:D
19:51.26Alex[sp3dev]so. you've already run magldr on tp2, aite?
19:51.27gauner1986lol
19:51.31[Rapunzel]not yet
19:51.34[Rapunzel]got it today
19:51.50gauner1986Alex[sp3dev]: thought you were not interested in closed source :P
19:51.55[Rapunzel]:P
19:51.56[acl]gauner1986: matches hd2 kernel options
19:51.57[Rapunzel]I wanna press it more more and more
19:52.07[acl]LOL
19:52.18Alex[sp3dev]clit-button?
19:52.24[acl]lol
19:52.29gauner1986yummy
19:52.38[Rapunzel]there mic and X
19:52.43[Rapunzel]shown
19:52.50Alex[sp3dev]X stands for XYN?
19:53.02[Rapunzel]http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/image/htc/touch-pro2/pic/all-face.jpg
19:53.16[Rapunzel]camera and there near buttion
19:53.27[acl]no 3.5mm .. poor bastard
19:53.41Alex[sp3dev][Rapunzel]: so you'll be working from scratch? or use our ancient and dirty kernel?
19:53.50[Rapunzel]ur kernel
19:53.54Alex[sp3dev]good
19:53.54[Rapunzel]:P
19:54.21gauner1986[Rapunzel] has some love for ancient stuff
19:54.26[Rapunzel]ya
19:54.34[Rapunzel]mayeb I should buy Wallaby
19:54.36[Rapunzel]for collection
19:55.03Alex[sp3dev][Rapunzel]: two things i like most about X1 (except screen) are optical joystick and.. 4 color leds at the corners
19:55.15[Rapunzel]I like this circle button in TP2
19:56.14Alex[sp3dev]http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/reviews/0000001107/review/lights.jpg love that
19:56.45[Rapunzel]ohh
19:56.59[Rapunzel]how many colors?
19:57.02[acl]gauner1986; didnt you have similar issues? i was reading the log you had some nand issues early on
19:57.16Alex[sp3dev]red, green, blue.. 255 pwm levels for each color
19:57.17gauner1986[acl]: our issues were about the spl clearing a part of the nand
19:57.24gauner1986[acl]: the extrom part actually
19:57.25Alex[sp3dev]http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5564/img2201.png
19:57.31gauner1986[acl]: on reboot
19:57.40[acl]gauner1986: fuck.. i didnt know this
19:57.41gauner1986made files corrupt
19:58.04[Rapunzel]Enter is so funny
19:58.06[Rapunzel]on X1
19:58.23Alex[sp3dev]yeah.. the good old two-storey one
19:58.32[acl]gauner1986: but it may not be the same. since we have  0 data now. I may need to revert back and see where it broke. ive been trying but too many changes
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21:03.07emwephh: do you still remember - on early amss625 sound trials - that arm9 crashed right away and what the fix was?
21:03.26emwe6125 i mean...
21:04.32gauner1986hey dan1j3l
21:04.55dan1j3lhi
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21:07.09gauner1986[acl]: till ~1am cet
21:07.28[acl]sounds delicious
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22:46.41donc3Hi
22:46.48donc3can someone help me?
22:47.23donc3I have a desire hd
22:47.35donc3and I'm trying to install kamma kernel
22:47.44arrrghhhchat
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22:48.41donc3but when I install it with the recovery it doesn't boot
22:49.07arrrghhh...
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