IRC log for #htc-linux on 20110205

00:00.11Hunterkllthis guy is a tool
00:00.21HunterkllbAnga, this is a channel about linux on HTC PHONES
00:00.24Hunterkllnot android in general
00:00.31arrrghhhno body has ops in here tho
00:00.43Hunterkllarrrghhh, they are possibly just lurking, you know :)
00:00.56arrrghhhwe get ppl banned from chat
00:01.00arrrghhhnever seen anyone banned in here :P
00:01.14bAngaOké, i just thought that you guys maybe will know the problems etc
00:01.19arrrghhhNetRipper probably has ops
00:01.25bAngaThats why i came here.
00:01.40arrrghhhand posted links of porn and bad music?
00:01.55bAngaWhat music do you like then?
00:02.10bAngaI like mostly house music.
00:02.13Hunterkllarrrghhh, NetRipper does, indeed. ;)
00:02.14arrrghhhprobably not something to discuss here.
00:02.32bAngahmmmmmmmmmmm
00:02.36arrrghhhwait... is it kernel development related?   didn't think so.
00:02.51Hunterkllwell, in terms of bad links
00:02.55Hunterkllhere, have a grandma meme http://i.imgur.com/bspl7.jpg
00:03.05bAngaBut in Holland we will say Doei but in ur language they will say Bye.
00:03.41arrrghhhoy
00:03.48HunterkllLOL
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00:34.25NetRippercome on guys, htc-linux might be named htc but that doesn't mean we can't help developers with other devices... a lot of knowledge is common across devices.. we're all kernel hackers that want to get linux on our non-linux phones
00:35.54HunterkllNetRipper, it becaue quickly apparent that he wanted to post porn from his site and music links and not really talk about android very much :/
00:36.18WilldNetRipper: Well, I'm here and do own a Samsung :)
00:36.36WilldNetRipper: It's not like we bashed him for that fact, rather for his behavior
00:37.28NetRipperHunterkll, lol don't lie, you started it off with the first pic link ;) no matter though
00:37.40HunterkllI didn't post any porn though :P
00:37.47NetRipperi'll give you that
00:38.44arrrghhhpretty sure he wasn't a dev
00:38.47NetRipperWilld, true.. but i suppose arrrghhh gave him the wrong impression
00:38.49arrrghhhbut i didn't give him much chance :P
00:39.11Hunterkllhe went from im installing android on my phone to im installing android on usb stick
00:39.31arrrghhhand i can't put 180mb onto an 8gb card lol
00:39.57TheXevsome people don't understand that they should make that specific detail part of anything they say. XD
00:40.08NetRipperHunterkll, i can't argue with that, but i'm just saying this is not an htc-only channel :)
00:40.21WilldNetRipper: Though it helps :)
00:43.01hycgotta wonder why it's so common for people to post in such wrong places. why does the rhodium xda forum get so many posts from non-rhodium users?
00:43.44WilldBecause they get many hits on relevant code? :)
00:44.15TheXevrhodium seems like a hotspot for everything...
00:46.28arrrghhhlately
00:46.33NetRipperbtw, that grandma pic, genius
00:46.34arrrghhhit was the hd2 for the longest damned time :P
00:47.15WisTilt2arrrghhh: you home or still at work?
00:47.30arrrghhhwacky, i was just thinking about pinging you.  i'm home!
00:48.23WisTilt2k. want you to test this kernel if you can. give me a couple to rebuild it and upload it.  same name as other night.
00:48.29arrrghhhnp
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00:52.11RaiderXdont ya just hate it when things stop working and you dont know why
00:52.14WisTilt2arrrghhh: image ready. green 5sec blink in sleep now so if sod happens it should stop
00:53.00arrrghhhcool
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00:55.26RaiderXanyone here good with kernels?\
00:56.11randomblamethat was a vague question
00:56.15arrrghhhlmao
00:57.18randomblame;D
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01:04.59randomblamearrrghhh was the root cause of our system server bug identified yet?
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01:07.08arrrghhhstill being hashed out
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01:08.51randomblameim sure he has enough logs but ill post another in a bit anyways gotta go find some food
01:09.21arrrghhhno need
01:09.26arrrghhhthx tho dude
01:09.34arrrghhhhopefully going to have some new hotness out soon, k?
01:09.39WisTilt2randomblame: we have our boot on top of it but haven't applied pressure to completely squash it into oblivion.
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01:10.08arrrghhhhaha
01:10.14randomblamehehe
01:10.18arrrghhhsteel toes on the throat!
01:10.38randomblamewhat was/is the cause?
01:11.25randomblamenot enough boots on its throat? lol
01:13.08arrrghhhroot cause is still unknown
01:13.34arrrghhhwow i had no idea i could adb in so early.
01:14.05arrrghhhWisTilt2, system_server is definitely using the most proc cycles.. always above 70%.
01:14.15arrrghhhusually above 80, sometimes over 90... damnit.
01:14.47WisTilt2it will be up there during boot but after loaded it should drop.  only a problem when it hangs after you get the unlock screen
01:14.53arrrghhhok
01:14.59arrrghhhjust unlocked screen...
01:15.15arrrghhhstill over 90 :(
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01:16.36WisTilt2is everything still sluggish?
01:17.00arrrghhhyea, sys_server using 97.6%
01:17.30WisTilt2ok good. go ahead and clear it then pastebin dmesg
01:17.35arrrghhhk
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01:18.35BazGeebeen away from the hd2 scene for a while now, whats the best android nand build I should use? Any Recommendations? :)
01:20.14arrrghhhBazGee, -chat
01:20.25arrrghhhand that's a very loaded question, fyi :P
01:20.36arrrghhhWisTilt2, not sure why but it put an extra cr every other line... bah. http://pastebin.com/8jwC3mGn
01:22.05WilldHow come you're using .27?
01:22.10WilldWhy not something newer?
01:22.43arrrghhhuhm
01:22.46arrrghhhcuz that's what we're running on
01:22.52arrrghhhwe're migrating to .35, but it's a cluster
01:22.56WilldAh
01:22.59arrrghhhdick.
01:23.00arrrghhh:P
01:23.07Willdarrrghhh: I'm on .29 :<
01:23.15arrrghhhhaha
01:23.20arrrghhhhow come YOU'RE  not on anything newer?
01:23.28WilldBecause eeh uhm
01:23.33crawlingcheats
01:23.33WilldJust because, OKAY?! >:(
01:23.43arrrghhhfail
01:23.46arrrghhhyou sail that failboat
01:23.54WilldSeriously though. going higher worked out a lot of our kinks
01:24.13arrrghhhhttp://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0804/the-failboat-failboat-fail-boat-sailboat-sail-boat-demotivational-poster-1209170971.jpg
01:24.26arrrghhhWilld, we're migrating to .35, it seems nearing a public release.
01:24.32Willdarrrghhh: Did you guys have problems with RIL?
01:24.57arrrghhhwe do, i think
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01:25.31WilldSame here actually, but when we migrated to .29 all those problems went away :)
01:25.52arrrghhhheh
01:25.58arrrghhhnot sure .35 will magically solve all our problems
01:26.00arrrghhhbut it's a nice thought.
01:26.48WilldI reckon some of it is because 2.1 and .2 is/was based upon .29 at that point
01:26.58WisTilt2arrrghhh: so you werent able to make a call for like 5mins into the boot?
01:29.00randomblame.35 is going to be full of bugs too better the enemy you know for now
01:29.31Willd:)
01:29.41arrrghhhWisTilt2, i kinda waited to see if it would settle out
01:29.46arrrghhhplus, i'm playing ac3 :P
01:30.03Willdac3?
01:30.33arrrghhhassassins creed 3
01:30.38WilldOh..
01:31.01arrrghhhyou got a problem?  :P
01:31.07WilldNoes
01:31.16WilldJust never caught interest in that series
01:31.37hycwell considering .38 is already in RC I would figure .35 is pretty old familiar turf by now
01:32.03WisTilt2arrrghhh: ok please run this next kernel and reboot until you get same condition the post dmesg again.
01:32.13arrrghhhWilld, eh in some way's it's disappointing.
01:32.14arrrghhhWisTilt2, np
01:33.02hyc.36 has my pty patch in it to support line-at-a-time mode in telnet/ssh
01:33.23hycwhich I find indispensible when ssh'ing with Connectbot over expensive networks
01:33.34Willdhyc: That would be lovely :o
01:34.10hycyeah, it's taking a long time for userland to catch up.
01:34.21hycI think the debian telnet maintainer picked up my telnet patches at least
01:35.18WilldHow bout ssh then?
01:35.28hycnope, those patches have rotted
01:35.33Willd:(
01:35.34hycopenssh guys ignore my posts
01:36.22hycyou can find a mostly working tree here https://github.com/hyc/OpenSSH-LINEMODE
01:36.37hycI didn't get tab/filename completion working the way I want yet
01:36.52hycbut local line editing works
01:36.56hyclocal echo
01:37.29hycunfortunately you also need patched libreadline and other stuff on your remote servers
01:38.19hycwithout those, it only helps you if you're using a dumb shell
01:39.37WisTilt2arrrghhh: i have to run right now. ill be back on in about an hour for the results
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06:22.47WisTilt2arrrghhh: forgot to ask but is your sleep led doing what it should? probably wont get a sod now but at least you'll know the device condition if it does.
06:23.35arrrghhhhrm, i havevn't noticed it
06:23.42arrrghhhi need to go to the next image, 1 sec
06:24.23WisTilt2i jacked up my sd card again with another buffer test so im about to reformat and reload everything again:(
06:24.33arrrghhhha, sucks.
06:24.47arrrghhhdidja take a backup of the card?
06:24.51WisTilt2kernel i gave you doesnt have that in there so you are safe.
06:24.56WisTilt2yes full backup
06:25.00arrrghhhnice
06:25.06arrrghhhyea just format and drop it back in thar
06:25.20WisTilt2yep, learned the hard way a few times in the past
06:29.16arrrghhhi wonder if this was triggered by the switch to hdpi...?
06:31.12WisTilt2hmm, possible but it would happen every single time i'd think.  that would be framework issue wouldnt it? when did that switch happen?
06:32.51WisTilt2making a call certainly to fix it certainly would have nothing to do with that though
06:33.19arrrghhhlol tiad said it was a framework issue
06:33.20WisTilt2that sentence made no sense, guess certainly is tonights word
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06:35.24WisTilt2i really doubt it, that has nothing to do with ril and network registration is when it begins
06:35.39arrrghhhhrm
06:38.09WisTilt2its happening right after the telephony service begins or shortly after
06:40.41WisTilt2how many images have you tried and is it still not happening?
06:40.54arrrghhhwasn't on frx01
06:41.34arrrghhhi'm booting an interim image between frx02 and it
06:55.56arrrghhhah well.  i keep trying different combos all with your kernel, and keep getting reboots.
06:56.52arrrghhhtry to find a rootfs close in date.
06:57.08WisTilt2you mean rebooting after its up or during boot?
06:57.15arrrghhhi wonder if it's jit
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06:57.19arrrghhhthat would be hilarious
06:57.26arrrghhhrebooting after it's up yes
06:57.31arrrghhhi usually get to unlock it once
06:58.41WisTilt2you dl'd the different named zimage correct?
06:59.00arrrghhhyes
06:59.32WisTilt217:31 timestamp
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07:00.34arrrghhhalas, i must go to sleep.
07:00.54arrrghhhgf is not happy that i've dragged it out this long :P
07:01.16WisTilt2ok np. ill put up another one shortly so you can get it in morning and see if its fixed
07:01.27arrrghhhi'm going to have some time to play with it tomorrow hopefully.
07:01.29arrrghhhcool!
07:01.38arrrghhhyou can shoot me an email with details if you like
07:01.40arrrghhhthx dude, ttyl
07:01.42WisTilt2i wont be on at all tomorrow
07:01.49arrrghhhnp
07:01.57WisTilt2company party at the ranch so catch ya sunday
07:02.14WisTilt2have a good one and hope you find the image date
07:02.22WisTilt2that started it all
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13:04.26visofhello
13:04.34Eodunhi
13:04.50visofwhere can i ask about wm6.5 for htc diamond ?
13:05.17Eoduntry htc diamond section in xda-developers forum
13:05.42visofEodun, isn't there any freenode channels ?
13:07.11Eodundunno, really
13:07.15Eoduntry listing channels
13:07.21visofEodun, thanks
13:07.57NetRipper#xda-devs channel i suppose
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14:39.40We-love-Cotullais the i2x bus already fixed ? on leo
14:40.36We-love-Cotullasorry typo, I mean,  i2c
14:41.24MN_dont think so
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14:48.08[Rapunzel]òù
14:48.10[Rapunzel]no
14:48.16gauner1986hey [Rapunzel]
14:49.01[Rapunzel]I heard Curious trolls Cotulla yesterday, so he won't fix i2c :(
14:49.26MN_yeah he did troll :P
14:49.50We-love-Cotullawhat? wtf  what do you mean
14:50.08We-love-Cotulla:P mtfer
14:50.16gauner1986?
14:50.44MN_We-love-Cotulla: change your name dude
14:51.03We-love-Cotullaok..
14:51.06[Rapunzel]I just heard it
14:51.09[Rapunzel]dunno if it right
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14:52.30FboyMN_,  better?
14:52.57Fboyso it was wrong to express my feelings ?
14:53.39MN_[Rapunzel]: i think he was asking to fix gsenor issues
14:53.51gauner1986maybe on #htc-feelings
14:54.26Fboy:)//
14:54.31imilka#htc-linux-feelings
14:55.02FboyMN_,  no gsensor.. there is a workaround, i mean the i2c error..
14:55.13Fboyalso some wakeup lag due to the i2c..
14:55.21MN_okay
14:55.21[Rapunzel]I know workaround
14:55.27MN_cool
14:55.29[Rapunzel]close ur eyes for reset time
14:55.34[Rapunzel]5-10 secs
14:55.38[Rapunzel]:P
14:56.20Fboyhehe :P
14:56.37gauner1986:D
14:56.50MN_brilliant gonna try now
14:56.52MN_:P
14:56.59gauner1986or press the button while it's still in the case
14:57.05gauner1986and if you got it out of the case
14:57.08gauner1986screen will be on!
14:57.47Fboyits not an issue.. but just curiouse about the i2c error, you know
14:58.07[Rapunzel]curiouse ^^
14:58.09[Rapunzel]:D
14:58.28[Rapunzel]~seen Curious_
14:58.36aptcurious_ <8bb30df3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.179.13.243> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 1d 2h 20m 57s ago, saying: 'gg'.
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16:08.55Curious_saw the logs
16:09.03Curious_seems like people want i2c fix
16:10.54[Rapunzel]maybe
16:11.08[Rapunzel]but I heard somebody called Curious trolls out developers :(
16:11.33Curious_developers?
16:12.00Curious_i saw that he trolled a n00b called cotulla
16:12.36Curious_who isnt able to fix i2c but afraid to admit
16:14.13[Rapunzel]ya
16:14.25Curious_maybe rapunzel can
16:14.31[Rapunzel]so we need other developers
16:14.54Curious_be one
16:15.05[Rapunzel]u think blondies with long hair know that is i2c?  :o
16:15.16[Rapunzel]ow...  :o
16:16.14Curious_oh i didn't know you were gay
16:16.33[Rapunzel]me Rapunzel
16:16.39[Rapunzel]wtf
16:16.47Curious_what? ???  gayzell??
16:16.55imilkalol i didn't know rapunzel was gay
16:16.55imilka:D
16:17.03imilkahow could she
16:17.05[Rapunzel]Rapunzel is Rapunzel
16:17.07Curious_[Rapunzel] is
16:17.10[Rapunzel]wtf
16:17.14Curious_be careful with "she"
16:17.25[Rapunzel]êàê çà@$&*@^$ îí ìåíÿ óæå :D
16:17.29Curious_"Rape&Unzel" ? ? ?
16:17.32imilka)))
16:18.03[Rapunzel]dcordes, pls ban troll.
16:18.15Curious_i am innocent troll
16:18.28[Rapunzel]yeah... all trolls innocent
16:18.29[Rapunzel]always
16:18.33Curious_livin' in my cage
16:18.37Curious_cave*
16:20.32[Rapunzel]anyway I not gotta spend my time to useless talk with u
16:20.38[Rapunzel]sry
16:20.41Curious_yeah good
16:20.44Curious_you gonna fix i2c then
16:20.56[Rapunzel]no
16:21.01[Rapunzel]I am not a developer
16:21.04Curious_wtf are you gonna do
16:21.09[Rapunzel]how can I think it??  :o
16:21.12[Rapunzel]*fix
16:21.26Curious_playing with your hair as a vibra?
16:21.32Curious_since it is too long?
16:21.55[Rapunzel]why u ask wtf
16:22.13Curious_my name IS "CURIOS"
16:22.35[Rapunzel]u think I know that it means
16:22.57[Rapunzel]but I heard ur name is other ^^
16:23.03Curious_oh soyour brain is also full of hair
16:23.36[Rapunzel]seems u need ban again like previous time
16:23.45Curious_if you would live in nowadays, there would be good movies with you
16:23.56Curious_u troll too
16:24.00Curious_if i go down
16:24.06Curious_i take you with me
16:24.08[Rapunzel]okay I gotta do something
16:24.09[Rapunzel]bb
16:24.14Curious_fo
16:24.18[Rapunzel]heh
16:24.23[Rapunzel]u think I am afraid of ban?
16:24.34[Rapunzel]:D
16:24.40Curious_damn double standard
16:25.04[Rapunzel]I doesn't againist it
16:25.09Curious_go play with your hair
16:25.16Curious_i have some business
16:25.22[Rapunzel]bcz on this channel Curious eats my brain only
16:25.25[Rapunzel]bb
16:25.26imilkawow
16:25.32imilkaíåîæèäàííî
16:25.33imilka:)
16:25.34[Rapunzel]îãà
16:26.25[Rapunzel]Îí ïðîñòî îäèí ðàç òóò æÎñòêî òðîëëèë, ìåñÿöà òðè íàçàä, ïîä íèêîì 'cockpoo'. Ðåàëüíî óæå íàäîåë.
16:27.03[Rapunzel]okay gotta go
16:27.04[Rapunzel]bb
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17:49.52xUmaRixola all
17:50.14xUmaRixrecently i encounter an issue on sdcard
17:50.36xUmaRixseems like if i enable usb debugging my sdcard is not detected or not mounted
17:51.18xUmaRixanyone suffer the same issue ?
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17:52.16xUmaRixi also cant select any ringtones even after i formatted my sdcard multiple time using HP tools and SDFormatter
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18:14.19xUmaRixW/Vold    ( 1370): Failed to unmount /mnt/secure/staging (Device or resource busy, retries 3, action 0) W/Vold    ( 1370): Failed to unmount /mnt/secure/staging (Device or resource busy, retries 2, action 1) W/Vold    ( 1370): Failed to unmount /mnt/secure/staging (Device or resource busy, retries 1, action 2) W/Vold    ( 1370): Failed to unmount /mnt/secure/staging (Device or resource busy, retries 0, action 0) E/Vold    ( 1370):
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18:30.57gt2009hey
18:32.51gt2009i have a problem, this is my first time working with CWR and by test build doesnt flash
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20:02.50chirkinordekeverybody, how do i increase font size in Messages ?
20:05.51randomblamelol?
20:07.20rpierce99randomblame: I don't think that will do it :)
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20:09.25randomblameha its all i have time for im on irc on my rhod and playing with my 1 year old and rc helicopter - more insults will provided at a later time
20:09.30rpierce99chirkinordek: no luck here apparently, maybe try #xdandroid or #htc-linux-chat
20:10.01Hunterkllrpierce99, he alraedy got told off for asking in this channel in -chat ;p
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20:34.10Tplane37[A]holy mother of pearl..... that's a long user list ------------------->
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20:38.58TheXevmust have never been to a big room nefore.......... (and this isn't that big)
20:41.42Tplane37wasnt aware there was this much of a following on Android... I've been playing w/ winmo for a while now, and frankly, I am bored with it... researching how to put Android on my TP2
20:42.33TheXevoh thats stupid easy...
20:42.34TheXevone sec.
20:42.37TheXevWhat brand TP2 is it?
20:42.44Tplane37spint
20:42.51TheXevokay, it will be easy
20:42.52Tplane37err. sprint
20:43.09Tplane37really? the threads seem to make it rather involved LOL
20:43.21TheXevppft, if you want to flash it on it is.
20:43.29TheXevduel boot it instead.. less dangerious, easy.
20:43.40TheXevJust need a 1-8GB flash card that is formated right
20:43.43TheXevand you can duel boot.
20:43.56Tplane37atm, I think the dual boot would be the way to go... I'll get into flashing it after I get used to how droid works
20:44.13Tplane37format FAT32, correct? (long format)
20:44.46TheXevyeah... I had issues doing it on my 8GB card..worked fine for awhile.. then just stopped one day.... weirdness
20:44.50XirXesyou cant even do a full flash right now anyway, flashing right now just gets rid of winblow and boots to sd
20:44.52TheXevbut on the 1GB I got it in, works great.
20:45.07TheXevXirXes: oh really?
20:45.18TheXevI never even considered doing it on my TP2, I never looked into that.
20:45.30Tplane37i have some 2gb and 8 gb... recommend 2gb due to the above isse I assume?
20:45.36XirXesyeah. it installs the kernel and modules on the internal but everything else is still on the sd
20:45.44TheXevI would use that instead. plenty of room still.
20:46.01XirXesi havent done it either for that reason. when its a full install i will
20:46.08Tplane37k, I'll get one of those ready instead
20:46.39Tplane37I noticed you can overclock the tp2 w/ android too, I know that is one of the many things on my list to do :D
20:46.51XirXessometimes higher class cards have issues. if one of those is a class 2 id pick that
20:47.05Alex[sp3dev]me running on class 6
20:47.09Alex[sp3dev]gsm though
20:47.33Tplane37idk the class... all are ScanDisk microSD HC's though
20:47.48XirXesdepends on the size
20:48.08XirXeshc means high capacity. 4 gb +
20:48.33Tplane37hmm, 2gb not hc then...
20:48.48XirXeswhat do you need it to be hc for?
20:49.22Tplane37just what was on the shelf when I bought the card, no reason... the 2 gb doesnt say "HC" on it, still scan dick though
20:49.56Tplane37(formatting 2GB  to FAT32 right now)
20:50.11Tplane37err, *scandiSk
20:50.15TheXevhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627997 <- this is the easyst way I found to put Android on.. but I hear this newest release has some issues.
20:50.35Tplane37the FRX04?
20:50.38TheXevyeah
20:50.53TheXevI haven't tired it yet (I got other issues with my TP2 to resolve before I even care lol)
20:50.55XirXesif you use that use the frx04.rar if you want support
20:51.08Tplane37I started reading there, then got sidetracked to the FAQ, and then sidetracked to the PPCG thread... all over the place
20:51.22TheXevI would use the cab.. its alot easier
20:51.46Tplane37cab from here -> https://sites.google.com/site/androidport/downloads
20:51.49XirXesthe cab is slow and for baddies
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20:52.37Tplane37how difficult would the RAR method be? that's where I would ultimately end up if I start tweaking stuff anyway, right?
20:53.02XirXesthe cab just extracts the files to the sd for you
20:53.11XirXesbut slowly and on the phone
20:53.17charansinghAnyone wanna help me on cm7
20:53.22charansinghGPS is left
20:54.00Tplane37hmm, never been one for "slow" (the moving away from WinMo)
20:54.27TheXevI think by slow, he meant slow to install.
20:54.41Tplane37checks keyboard to see if it is plugged in... missing text on screen
20:55.25XirXesyeah, slow to install
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20:57.13Tplane37waiting on this slow ass connection from my ISP to finish DLng the files
20:58.44Tplane37so, in reality, how much of an improvement is anroid over WinMo? (eg Android on a WinMo device)
20:59.03charansinghover9000%
20:59.30TheXevdepends on what kind of WM build your comming of... I haven't played around with it enough to give an opinion either way. XD
20:59.31Tplane37....being that I am used to minor glitches and flaws since I have rarely used a stock build of an OS on any smart phone since I got my first one back in 2008
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21:02.28Tplane37will android still run if I have a full build of wm6.5 on the device? or do I need to go lite before I can play around?
21:03.37TheXevyes, it will still run.. you'll have WM6.5 on the NAND, and Droid on the SD CArd.. and you can still share files between the two on the card
21:04.04Tplane37so wtf is the point of going lite on the winmo side then?
21:08.38Tplane37oops, DLing the 1/23 files instead of the 2/2... oh well, still an excuse to play for now
21:09.11Tplane37tries to locate the 2/2 build that folks are referencing
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21:35.00Samsunguyto all that want the latest and greastest here you go: https://sourceforge.net/projects/imilkahd2/files/misc/magldr114.7z/download (hd2 only)
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21:43.36Tplane37here goes nothing... lets see if I can manage to have a $600 paper weight :D
21:44.40TheXevI $600 TP2? O_o did you get it new or something?
21:44.55TheXev(when it was new**)
21:44.56Tplane37I paid full price for mine on the day it was released
21:46.26Tplane37after I got it home, I left it on the shelf until the unlocker was ready, ran my Mogul until I could unlock the TP2
21:46.48Tplane37wonders if XDAndroid will run on Mogul
21:46.58TheXevI got my TP2 off ebay for $62.50. XD
21:47.07TheXevnew screen and digitizer.
21:47.25TheXevworks fine.. guy spilt water on it.. and the keyboard randomly things its open/closed
21:47.33Tplane37I see a pinguin on my screen...good sign I would think
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21:47.40TheXevlol
21:47.57TheXevyeah, its going to boot up... so long as it can mount the file system
21:48.07Tplane37the open/close sensor is nothing but a magnet....clean both conteacts w/ alcohol, should stop doing that
21:48.31TheXevmy other problem is that its getting crappy reception... and its a crappy tethering phone.. vs my Eris
21:48.34Tplane37there's alot of talk about "mounting" going on around here... sure I have not entered a porn channel?
21:48.48Tplane37yes, worthless tethering phone
21:48.59TheXevI only get 3 bars of wireless 10 feet away.
21:48.59Tplane37but wifi router is faster than my hardline ISP
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21:49.17Tplane37(for general surfing)
21:49.33Tplane37at least speaking from a winmo perspective
21:50.02TheXevI bought wireless routing software for it. It works great for the job of wireless tethering.. its the actual signle that's an issue
21:50.05Tplane37where would one put the startup utility?
21:50.16TheXevjust make a shortcut to it.
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21:50.29TheXevand it gets the worst reception of ALL of my VZW phones.
21:50.42Tplane37what should the shortcut be named? and will it work on first run?
21:50.55arrrghhhVZ reception sucks in general :P
21:50.57TheXevharnet is what its called, I think?
21:51.03Tplane37you know  why VZW has the "Can you here me now" commercials, right?
21:51.28TheXev:P I get better VZW coverage here then Sprint. but I've been down that road with most of you already...
21:51.50Tplane37its what the engineers at VZW are always saying when they are trying to talk to the folks at the office... receptions always sucks..
21:52.41Tplane37in reality though, I has VZW for ~10 years, and I would still be with them if they wouldn't have screwed me over on my wireless internet
21:52.54Tplane37damn, cant spell today... *had
21:53.58Tplane37had Unlimited internet for my wireless card, nothing about the 5GB limit mentioned in the contract I signed... one day out of the blue, I started getting charged for everything over 5GB... so I canceled all 5 lines and went to Sprint
21:54.10arrrghhhhaha
21:54.16arrrghhhyea i heard vz was never truly unlimited.
21:54.27Tplane37it was at one point
21:54.39TheXevoh... there are "methods" around paying for data..... *cough*
21:54.43arrrghhheh i dunno
21:54.53Tplane37I was doing development for WinMo at the time, and where I lived my options were dial up or wireless
21:55.07TheXevmy options are dialup or sattilite...
21:55.17TheXevso screw that, I'll take my tethering phones
21:55.24Tplane37so I was pulling anywhere from 10-30 GB depending on what releases came out in that month
21:55.52Tplane37kinda hard to tether when you are reworking a build that froze up and you need new files to do it LOL
21:56.00TheXevsome days, when I still was able to have cable internet, i was pulling 4GB a day in BT anime :P
21:56.17TheXevTplane37: That's why I got a few phones. XD
21:56.25Tplane37"waiting for SD Card"
21:56.49Tplane37at the time, I did not have multiples w/ tethering ability
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21:56.59TheXevI just bought CDMA Workshop today.. waiting for them to send me a DL link. -_-.. I have to do a legitimate MEDI repair on my stupid TP2... cause I ran something on it I shouldn't have. -_-
21:57.03Tplane37the Titan was my first smartphone, and that was Dec 2008
21:57.48Tplane37okay....screen just went black
21:57.55Tplane37<---- Android n00b
21:58.14phhtitan, dec 2008 ?
21:58.15phhrespect.
21:58.37arrrghhh<3 my titan
21:58.40arrrghhhso many buttons lol
21:58.46Tplane37Still have my Titan, and have a Mogul now too (warrenty claim to get a refurb )
21:58.52Tplane37I love buttons
21:59.03arrrghhhi have my old mogul and apache
21:59.05Tplane37Love the wheel on the side the most
21:59.07arrrghhhapache was kinda a POS
21:59.15arrrghhhmogul was sweet tho
21:59.20Tplane37if my TP2 had that, I wouldnt go through so many screen protectors
22:00.03TheXevI miss the damn arrow pad thing on my Vogue on my TP2 and my Eris.. Eris has a stupid track ball.. TP2 has nothing.
22:00.17Tplane37please tell me it doesnt take this long to boot up every time I load Haret
22:00.30phhTplane37: you want to reboot often ?
22:00.31arrrghhhTplane37, you can just stick to winmo
22:00.33arrrghhhthat boots up so fast.
22:00.37arrrghhh:P
22:00.56TheXevIt took mine a bit to boot up the first time.. after that, it wasn't bad booting..
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22:01.05arrrghhhhas to create the data.img
22:01.12Tplane37If I have memory leaks like in WinMo, I may have to reboot once a week at least
22:01.13TheXevbut then my damn SD card went to weird... it just stopped mounting the file system.
22:01.16rpierce99_arrrghhh: did I see that you figured out why people love FroyoX
22:01.37arrrghhhrpierce99_, my theory is it "feels" smoother as it's MDPI
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22:01.50arrrghhhi was looking at the icons, they look atrocious compared to FRX03/4
22:01.51rpierce99_is a noob, what's mdpi
22:01.57arrrghhhdots per inch
22:01.58arrrghhhmedium
22:01.59Tplane37how much has to change in XDAndroid to work on different devices
22:02.02arrrghhhwe went to hdpi
22:02.03arrrghhhhigh dpi
22:02.14Tplane37for example, if I wanted to go ancient and throw it on my Mogul...
22:02.22arrrghhhTplane37, depends on the device, our kenrel supports a ton of... oh hell no
22:02.36TheXevlol
22:02.36arrrghhhmogul wouldn't work, what processor does that thing even have?
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22:02.50Tplane37hey, I was one of the first to get WM6.5 to run on the Mogul.... at least a stable build
22:03.30Tplane37MSM7500 (400MHz)
22:03.40Tplane3764 MB RAM
22:04.00rpierce99_so it's just pushing smaller amounds of data through the graphics chip, that would certainly make it faster, does that only affect the os, or are games affected too
22:04.09arrrghhh64mb of ram
22:04.13arrrghhhyou're screwed.
22:04.29arrrghhhrpierce99_, everything in theory.  why is there 2 of you here?
22:04.42rpierce99_i think my desktop is still online
22:05.25arrrghhhdamnit
22:05.36arrrghhhi think disabling JIT made the system_server problem explode.
22:05.37arrrghhhwtf
22:05.51phhcool
22:05.54arrrghhhi guess to test my theory, i will re-enable JIT on frx04.
22:06.07rpierce99_explode good or explode bad
22:06.21arrrghhhi disabled JIT on old system images that didn't exhibit the system_server problem, and it reared its ugly head when it didn't before.
22:06.24phhrpierce99_: he is still alive, it can't be THAT bad.
22:06.33arrrghhhlol
22:07.05rpierce99_phh: I just meant that system_server exploding could mean went away, or could mean got a lot worse
22:07.26arrrghhhin this case, much worse.
22:07.35arrrghhhdisabling JIT caused system_server to get WAY worse.
22:07.53arrrghhhmaybe even created it in the first place, i'm not really sure.  this is odd indeed.
22:07.56rpierce99_haha didn't know it could get worse, good to know :)
22:07.59phharrrghhh: now see which rootfs triggers that
22:08.15arrrghhheh?
22:08.16Tplane37what are you talking about anyway with the system_server
22:08.25arrrghhhi didn't think the rootfs would have anything to do with it
22:08.39arrrghhhTplane37, process goes out of control and steals all the proc cycles on the phone
22:08.44arrrghhhbasically making it unusable
22:08.57Tplane37that sounds like it could be a bad thing
22:08.59Tplane37LOL
22:09.05arrrghhhit uh... is.
22:09.10arrrghhhmaking a phone call clears it up
22:09.16arrrghhhbut it's still maddening.
22:09.30Tplane37sounds like a good thing to be able to send via a txt message to an ex ;)
22:09.41Samsunguyarrrghhh, quiet down :D
22:09.49arrrghhh?
22:10.01TheXevLOL
22:10.22Tplane37did I mention that I'm new?
22:10.37arrrghhheh?
22:10.53arrrghhhTplane37, this isn't really a support channel.
22:10.54Samsunguylol
22:11.15arrrghhhpay no mind to Samsunguy, he has an HTC.  and an iPad.
22:11.17Samsunguy#htc-linux-chat is
22:11.21TheXevsupport as in tech support, or support as in AA I need to not have drugs.
22:11.28arrrghhhTheXev, both lol
22:11.39Samsunguyant htc ?
22:11.40Tplane37LOL
22:12.00Tplane37what do you do in here then, so I can be sure to stay on topic
22:12.10arrrghhhkernel development
22:12.17TheXevo
22:12.22Samsunguystfu basically or troll
22:12.24Tplane37even though me messing with Android at this point is kinda like an Amish dude on Facebook
22:12.36arrrghhhi wouldn't recommend trolling.
22:12.48Samsunguynot in here
22:13.16TheXevhey, there are modern amish that use computers.
22:13.20TheXev.... just none here, where I am at.
22:13.39Tplane37my intentions are to get into the developing side as soon as I figure out which files do what....
22:13.58arrrghhhTplane37, do you know C?
22:14.16TheXevanyway, time for me to go to where there is internets that don't suck. Later alls
22:14.18Tplane37not really, used to toy w/ C++ years ago
22:14.18arrrghhhcuz uh... this isn't exactly like WinMo ROM "development" :P
22:14.44arrrghhhscrew you too TheXev ?
22:14.45arrrghhh:P
22:14.53TheXevno dibian packages!? BOO damnit
22:15.12TheXevNo, seriously.. i'm tethering threw my phone at 1 bar 1X speed.. i'm gettig on DSL.
22:15.24TheXevin about 45 mins.. laters.
22:15.44arrrghhhoic
22:16.18Tplane37when I said I have done winmo development, I wasn't exactly talking about the point and click GUI interfaces for "cooking" a ROM.... I was in Visual Studio and hex editors a majority of the time
22:17.37Tplane37while I am not a "programer" by any means, I can usually find my way around in a field of 1's and 0's
22:17.50arrrghhhlol if you say so
22:17.58arrrghhhwe can always use talented devs
22:18.56Samsunguyhe speaks as if he were one :D
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22:20.29arrrghhhque?
22:23.16arrrghhhdamnit.  it is jit.
22:23.29arrrghhhphh, so what's this jibba jabba about the rootfs effecting it?
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22:23.47phharrrghhh: stinebd said this bug appeared only on ~ september rootfs
22:23.59arrrghhhnot true
22:24.05phhlol
22:24.06phhfight with him :p
22:24.14arrrghhhlol i'm not going to fight with anyone
22:24.20arrrghhhi'm just telling it how it is :P
22:25.00arrrghhhi freakin re-enable JIT and the system_server bug disappears
22:25.41rpierce99_you want me to confirm on mine arrrghhh?
22:25.49arrrghhhhave at it
22:25.59rpierce99_you have to tell me how to turn JIT on :)
22:26.16arrrghhhedit the build.prop
22:26.20arrrghhhand comment out this line:
22:27.01arrrghhhdalvik.vm.execution-mode = int:fast
22:28.25arrrghhhrpierce99_, make sense?  i know i skipped some steps :P
22:29.15rpierce99_yes i have to reboot
22:30.33arrrghhhk
22:35.23stinebdarrrghhh: please try it with int:portable
22:35.29arrrghhhOo what's that
22:35.34stinebdthe super slow version
22:35.37arrrghhhlmao
22:35.38arrrghhhok
22:36.08stinebdwhen did we switch off jit?
22:36.11arrrghhhfrx03
22:36.23arrrghhhi turned it on in frx04, and no more system_server issues.
22:36.40arrrghhhat least the process doesn't go out of control and just hang there pegging the processor.
22:36.53stinebdi'm pretty sure system_server going haywire was one of the heisenbugs we were trying to fix by turning jit off
22:37.06arrrghhhno
22:37.15stinebddon't argue without proof
22:37.19arrrghhhjit being disabled was mainly from that volume rocker reboot bug
22:37.20stinebdbecause i'm like 97% positive
22:37.22arrrghhhlol
22:37.31stinebdthere were several bugs i was hoping it would fix
22:37.35arrrghhhwell i went back to frx02, no problems with system_server
22:37.51arrrghhhturn off jit in frx02, system_server problems basically every boot again.
22:38.33arrrghhhi'm not arguing that disabling jit squashed a lot of bugs, but it seems to have either exacerbated this one, or at least kept it in check somehow.
22:38.47arrrghhhkinda contradicted myself there lol sorry.
22:39.01arrrghhhseems perhaps JIT kept the sysetem_server bug in check, for whatever reason.
22:40.25rpierce99arrrghhh: my wife is on my mac so I can't adb in and check, but first boot with JIT off and it seemed slow and then soft rebooted
22:40.44arrrghhhheh
22:40.46rpierce99arrrghhh: maybe jit off + WisTilt2s new kernel?
22:40.52arrrghhhdunno
22:40.56stinebdarrrghhh: which device is wis using?
22:40.57arrrghhhi'm on a test kernel of his
22:41.00arrrghhhrhod300
22:41.03arrrghhh^^ stinebd
22:41.05stinebdis that cdma?
22:41.07arrrghhhno
22:41.18arrrghhhat&t - the 'official' tilt2.
22:41.24stinebdok
22:41.34stinebdanybody seeing this on anything other than a rhod?
22:41.47arrrghhhi thought they all did, but perhaps not.
22:41.54arrrghhhyou don't see it on raph stinebd ?
22:41.57stinebdbecause i honestly haven't been able to repro the system_server thing at all on a raph lately
22:42.09arrrghhhweird.
22:42.17arrrghhhdoes your raph have service?
22:42.18stinebdand i boot up a lot
22:42.24stinebdsometimes
22:42.26arrrghhhalthough i think someone said it still happens even if you don't have service.
22:42.36arrrghhhi think that someone was XirXes
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22:42.45stinebdservice seems to come and go based on whether there's a sim in it :P
22:42.54Willdoddly enough? ;)
22:42.57arrrghhhyea, that would probably effect it :P
22:43.00stinebdstill looking into that issue
22:43.04arrrghhhhahaha
22:43.08rpierce99arrrghhh: it's booted back in now and it has to be pegged, calendar hasn't even showed up and it's been like 2 minutes
22:43.24arrrghhhyou don't have access to adb?
22:43.34rpierce99arrrghhh: wifes on the mac
22:43.38rpierce99couple minutes i will verify
22:43.43stinebdkick her off
22:43.45arrrghhhlol
22:43.47arrrghhhwhat are you on?
22:43.49stinebdtell her to get in the kitchen where she belongs
22:43.50stinebdRUNS
22:43.53arrrghhhhahaha
22:44.37arrrghhhrpierce99, are you on windows or something?
22:44.41rpierce99yeah
22:44.45arrrghhhit works on winblows too...
22:45.01rpierce99i know, but it would take too long to set it up, vs waiting for 2 minutes for the wife
22:45.12rpierce99it is absolutely crawling though
22:45.46rpierce99there's the calendar!
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22:45.56arrrghhhhrm
22:46.03arrrghhhrpierce99, i can't say the boots are snappy
22:46.09arrrghhhbut system_server isn't slaughtering the processor
22:46.33arrrghhhand within a minute or two it's back to normal, whereas before system_server would never stop pegging proc until i made a phone call
22:46.36arrrghhhyou're RHOD400 right?
22:46.46rpierce99yeah, i'll adb in here in a sec
22:47.37arrrghhhget it on all your machines :P
22:48.38rpierce99_97.4 system_server
22:48.51arrrghhhdamn
22:48.59arrrghhhwhat kernel/rootfs/system image you on?
22:49.04stinebdarrrghhh: check the volume bug while you're at it :P
22:49.10arrrghhhhahaha
22:49.11rpierce99_the verbose test kernel from a couple days ago
22:49.13rpierce99_f22 rootfs
22:49.14arrrghhhwell i'm trying portable now.
22:49.22rpierce99_frx04 other than that
22:49.27arrrghhhwerid
22:49.30arrrghhhweird
22:49.33arrrghhhi'm the same, other than the kernel.
22:49.38rpierce99_i can reboot again
22:49.48stinebdthe main thing to watch for with portable is system_server hogging cycles. don't worry if everything is dogshit slow and system_server is like 7% cpu
22:49.59stinebdthat'd be generally normal
22:50.00arrrghhhyou loop mounted the system.ext2 file and modified the build.prop?
22:50.08arrrghhhlol ok
22:50.10arrrghhhbooting now
22:50.35rpierce99_hmmmm, that's an interesting question, i modified the build.prop that's in my root, I wonder if that is still mount --binded
22:50.46rpierce99_it's probably not
22:50.50arrrghhhrpierce99_, that might be a problem.
22:50.52arrrghhh:P
22:53.11stinebdyou can't modify the running version
22:53.11stinebdsince we use a tempfile for that, to do some minor adjusting
22:53.11arrrghhhsounds like he has a separate build.prop that he mounts with the froyo.user.conf file
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