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01:21.06curiousGeorgeHow does the camera fixed ISO modes work for HD2 camera in Winmo?
01:22.15curiousGeorgeI'm guessing it adaptively changes exposure time based on which ISO is selected -- lower ISO = longer exposure time, normalized by the amount of incident light received
01:22.46curiousGeorgeIn android, this functionality, which seems to be technically trivial to implement into the camera driver, is still missing
01:23.41curiousGeorgeIf anyone familiar with the new driver (which has white balance, zoom, etc working in sense-like tools) can contribute some advice, that would be great.
01:24.17curiousGeorgeWhere in the driver is exposure time determined? I presume it is pre-set as a static constant
01:25.32curiousGeorgeThe current "auto-ISO" mode functions with this hard-coded exposure time by changing ISO until this light normalization is saturated and simply capturing at said time
01:27.17curiousGeorgeTo restore correct set-ISO mode functionality, the exposure time (including that reflected in the live preview) must instead be uncoupled and allowed to increase until the same light normalization is reached, at which point the capture would take place with the new time
01:27.39curiousGeorgeAm I barking up the wrong tree with this? Can someone verify?
01:30.14curiousGeorge(Basically, the idea is to make the ISO settings work. To do this, when an ISO mode other than "auto" is selected, the exposure time should be adjusted to retain proper lighting.)
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09:36.33gauner1986hi
09:36.43hastarinHowdy
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09:40.50Arash18kguys can i ask what version of ida you use for arm disassemble?
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12:24.15d0nate110Is somebody here familiar with BLAZN release for Rhodium ?
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14:24.24PUTASthis is true?http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9364126#post9364126
14:24.27PUTAShttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9364126#post9364126
14:31.03arrrghhhPUTAS, please keep that garbage in -chat
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14:37.37PUTASI just ask if this is true
14:37.40PUTASnothing more
14:37.44PUTASwhy u soo mad
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14:39.26arrrghhhi'm always mad, look at my name.  seriously tho dude, this room isn't for chatting about stupid rumors.
14:39.36[acl]huh?
14:40.10PUTASbut in fact cotulla never appears ear
14:40.16PUTASi don't see him
14:40.20PUTASthats why I ask
14:40.27arrrghhh<PROTECTED>
14:40.55[acl]cotulla roumors ?
14:41.04arrrghhhas always.
14:41.13arrrghhhpeople act like he should be here 24/7, and working non-stop.
14:41.38arrrghhhwhen in reality he has to hide from people because they won't leave his ass alone and just let him work.
14:41.47arrrghhhso PUTAS please.  just let the man work.  leave him alone.
14:42.37PUTASarrrghhh again...sooo mad...I only wask for the rumors. OMG u don't need to be a ashold
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14:42.56arrrghhhsure i do.  it's the only thing you and others seem to understand.
14:43.04PUTAS...
14:43.06Markinushi
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14:43.12arrrghhhwb Markinus
14:43.14dcordeshi
14:43.16PUTAShi Markinus
14:44.04UltimaexPUTAS, i hope you dont want to ask Markinus now...
14:44.21arrrghhhlol
14:44.32arrrghhhPUTAS, just enjoy where the project is at.  ignore the rumors.
14:44.54[acl]who gonna fill me in on the rumors ?
14:45.00[acl]:-p
14:46.07arrrghhhpeople are speculating if coutella left development or not
14:46.12arrrghhhspecifically NAND dev, what else...
14:46.32arrrghhhall the hd2 guys have their panties in a wad because coutella hasn't given them magldr yet.
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14:46.48PUTASlol
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14:46.57PUTASnot sure about that arrrghhh xD
14:46.59Ultimaexwell thats easy to understand
14:47.07PUTASI want to move to g2.... :P
14:47.12Ultimaexthey want to brick there phones fast
14:47.16PUTASsoo...nand isn't soo important for me =)
14:47.25Ultimaexnice for you
14:47.25arrrghhhthen do it lol.  quit bugging cotuella
14:47.37PUTAS...~
14:47.37arrrghhhcoutella?  whatever.  quit bugging both of them.
14:47.44PUTASI want...but I need sell my hd2
14:47.47PUTASlol
14:47.52PUTASand samsung galaxy s
14:48.04Ultimaexwell do so
14:48.08arrrghhhalright.  enough non-development talk in here.
14:48.10PUTASI try I try
14:48.11PUTAS:P
14:48.12arrrghhhplease.  take it to -chat
14:48.13PUTASyeah
14:48.19PUTASu right arrrghhh
14:48.20PUTASchar
14:48.24PUTASchat*
14:48.30arrrghhhof course i am, i'm just an ass about it.
14:48.36Arash18klol
14:49.21arrrghhhso [acl] how goes it sir.  i see THE big commit made it up....
14:50.02[acl]ahh but the hard part is done.. even if contulla leaves there is enough development horsepower to move forward
14:52.30arrrghhhthat's what i like to hear :P
14:52.40Ultimaexwhat commit are you talking about?
14:52.56arrrghhh.35 to the nand tree
14:54.48Ultimaexseems i missed something in my holliday the last weeks
14:54.54Ultimaexcan you give me the git link?
14:55.10arrrghhherm it's not for hd2
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15:09.31arrrghhhUltimaex, did you still want the link?
15:09.41arrrghhhsorry my laptop likes to freak out & lock up...
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15:12.19Alex[sp3dev]hey [acl]. still hiding from me?
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15:21.35arrrghhhAlex[sp3dev], i think the answer is yes... :P
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15:51.40nofihello, anyone can please help me fix the wifi on my htc touch pro2, it does not work when using the android
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15:55.59[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: sup bro
15:56.03[acl]nahh man just been crazy busy
15:56.11[acl]holiday time here so its cram time at work
15:56.46Alex[sp3dev]i've been also pretty busy recently
15:56.53Alex[sp3dev]still, 2.6.35 is pwned
15:57.11[acl]wait you ported over thw whole kernel ?
15:57.48emweah the sound masters are around...
15:57.48Alex[sp3dev]fuck yeah.. for now, mmc, display, usb and hw3d are working. managed to boot to android homescreen once
15:57.56[acl]woa
15:58.00[acl]ur the effin man
15:58.04[acl]how is it ?
15:58.05emwecongrats.
15:58.40Alex[sp3dev]i think i need to port SMD to stop it from crashing, and then it will be easier
15:58.48[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: i commitde my changes so nand rhod is on .35 fb.. i guess moving to the whole kernel is no possible
15:58.49Alex[sp3dev]gotta upload to git somewhere on thursday
15:59.12emwe[acl], Alex[sp3dev]: is htc_hw's audio_store()/msm_audio_path() supposed to be triggered before or after snd_ioctl() is called?
15:59.32Alex[sp3dev]emwe: look up the code. i suppose, after
16:00.26[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: well congrats dood.. im sure the kov community loves you right now
16:00.35Alex[sp3dev][acl]: they don't know yet
16:00.49emweAlex[sp3dev]: it's currently called after by the ril library. still no real clue about it. just trying to figure why incall mic doesn't work. now i did some hack and now incall mic works, but earphone does not ;)
16:00.54emwe(on topa that is)
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16:02.05Alex[sp3dev]emwe: no idea. seems to work for kovs and raph. ask rhod guys, they should have somewhat closer hw
16:02.35emweAlex[sp3dev]: yeah, i think incall mic stopped working after the last rhod fixes :P
16:02.43Alex[sp3dev][acl]: http://pastebin.com/h0Vunt6i
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16:03.52[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: ahh i need to let jonpry know so he can resume
16:04.15[acl]mdp irq already on 4 4
16:04.17[acl]ooo
16:04.37Alex[sp3dev]we've had that for ages in 2.6.27, but it was commented out for wince amss
16:04.38[acl]i had the same issue.. or are still having it.. i need to check
16:05.06[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: yeah we got lazy and commented it out..i remember markinus talking about it since i think hd2 also had the same issue
16:06.00[acl]i do notice it dissapears when android starts tho
16:06.04Alex[sp3dev]mmcblk0: mmc1:0007 SD04G 3.81 GiB p1 p2 p3 p4. hel yeah
16:06.43Alex[sp3dev]really, does it disappear?
16:07.09[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: i think so.. i havent seen those recently.. but i do get other errors tho.. not the busy ones anymore
16:07.17[acl]when playing video or using full 3d
16:07.50Alex[sp3dev]wtf are those google idiots always making their proprietary crap incompatible with the existing community stuff.
16:08.57[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: haha yeah
16:09.27[acl]for the panel did you use the mddi_simple ?
16:09.33Alex[sp3dev]yep
16:09.36[acl]nice nice
16:10.13[acl]did you ever fix clk_set rate ? or are still writing directly to the clock regs ?
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16:10.23Alex[sp3dev]writing directly
16:10.42[acl]should we fix clk_set rate ? your clock code is probbably ready for such a change
16:11.20Alex[sp3dev]dunno. maybe we should. but need to port all the crap to 35 first
16:11.26Alex[sp3dev]i want someone to hack the camera
16:11.27[acl]yeah true..
16:11.30[acl]still exciting times
16:11.51Alex[sp3dev]that was a response to your 'november was a bad month'
16:11.59[acl]you saved it
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16:13.19Ultimaexre
16:13.25Ultimaexno arrrghh
16:13.28Ultimaexi found it
16:14.14Alex[sp3dev]ok, gotta do some stuff for the university.. feels like i will either have to get raped for my summer practice or forced to pick up a veeery boring topic for my year project.. most likely both
16:14.44[acl]Alex[sp3dev]: lol.. aite bro.. good work man.. i'll ttyl cuz i gotta go to..
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16:21.43NetRipperMarkinus, you said you requested a mach for tg01, what is it?
16:21.51NetRipperi dont see 'tg01' in the list
16:22.01MarkinusNetRipper: tsunagi
16:22.02NetRipperwhats the codename
16:22.03NetRipperok
16:22.22Markinusyeah, I took the codename
16:22.29NetRipperyep thats good
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16:23.37NetRipperok updated mach-types.h has been pushed to haret git
16:24.06Markinusahh, great! We thought about to do it ourself :) thx!
16:24.22NetRipperyea but you'll still need to update machines.txt
16:24.38NetRippermachlist.txt i mean
16:24.50NetRipperto add the tsunagi and hte correct oeminfo's
16:24.58NetRipperand archtype etc
16:25.26MarkinusNetRipper: ok. archtype is like leo. Exact same cpu
16:25.46NetRipperyep i guess what you need to give are the oem info's
16:25.58NetRippertry to get them from multiple devices, as they can differ
16:26.10NetRipper(i.e. custom roms, or branded models)
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17:13.55gauner1986hi
17:14.08iDavidHey!
17:18.53Markinushi
17:19.42gauner1986Markinus: did you look at the qdsp/720p stuff recently?
17:21.51Markinusgauner1986: no, because I waiting me self for a patch
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17:55.24Curious_how hard would writing a library for demuxing matroska container in android be?
17:57.06tmzt_dg2rootwhy ask here?
17:57.22tmzt_dg2rootyou either want to put it in openmax/opencore I assume
17:57.28Curious_hmm
17:57.28Curious_where to ask?
17:57.30Aevumdamn it
17:57.49Aevumeither my phone is broken, or im getting something VERY basic wrong
17:57.51gauner1986Curious_: just convert it :P
17:58.04Curious_no i don't want to spend hours converting it
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17:58.18Curious_i would rather spend hours for developing a lib
17:58.21gauner1986you want to spend more hours on developing a matroska lib instead
17:58.23gauner1986?
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17:58.27Curious_yes
17:58.36gauner1986actually it's not even an hour
17:58.47gauner1986it's 10 minutes maybe
17:59.03Curious_depends on video + pc
17:59.14Curious_I have p8700 laptop
17:59.32Curious_i like copy paste
18:00.15gauner1986you want to have hd vids that take like.. 8gb on your phone?
18:00.36Curious_yes
18:00.51Curious_at least I want to make my phone do what it is capable of
18:01.10gauner1986then develop it :P
18:01.17Curious_started research
18:01.21Curious_already
18:02.14Curious_android can handle h.264 right?
18:02.20Curious_i just need to demux them?
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18:14.17Curious_gauner1986 is c++ allowed for android libs?
18:15.01RajkoCurious_, theyre .so files knock yourself out
18:15.11Rajkocode in pascal if you want
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18:15.50Curious_ehm, hm. then let's code in basic :P
18:16.17Curious_but how android is gonna call the specific functions?
18:16.20Curious_how can i register them
18:19.39tmzt_dg2rootyes
18:19.44tmzt_dg2rootjni resolves them
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20:57.26Ian58Hi all
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21:22.56dan1j3l1hi
21:23.07Echo31cr2_: Hi. I pushed the updated git
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21:23.50Casshi dan
21:23.54cr2_Echo31: ok, i'll check when will be back at home
21:24.01cr2_Echo31: what about BT ?
21:24.58Echo31cr2_ I am working about the s1r72v03 under dma
21:26.04cr2_ok
21:26.17cr2_does your gpsd work?
21:27.34dan1j3l1is testing new liblights wrapper :)
21:27.38Echo31cr2_: from the doc, gpsd must detect sirf. However, it did not  found.
21:29.29Echo31cr2_: I take the last isp1583 driver and i modified it to read correctly the register from athena
21:29.53Echo31cr2_: I can verify the chip number.
21:30.10cr2_ok
21:30.29cr2_i'll check sirf later. it should work.
21:31.33gauner1986hi dan1j3l1
21:31.46dan1j3l1hi gau
21:32.38dan1j3l1what's up?
21:32.47Echo31cr2_: after ips1583 initialisation, I cannot yet detect the usb irq (insert or remove plug)
21:35.21cr2_Echo31: this is strange
21:39.05dan1j3l1gauner1986: any new problems with new kernel ?
21:39.41gauner1986new kernel?
21:40.09gauner1986you mean that one from 20.54 yesterday?
21:40.11gauner1986no so far
21:40.21gauner1986but i'm back to our liblights
21:40.30gauner1986because of autobl is working there
21:40.30gauner1986^^
21:40.53dan1j3l1struct light_device_t* dev
21:40.56dan1j3l1fuc*
21:41.28dan1j3l1gauner1986: hehe... i'm just writing wrapper for qsd8k libs :)
21:41.31Casshmm a fuc pointer .. how uncivilized :)
21:41.43dan1j3l1:p
21:41.58dan1j3l1i hate alt-tab
21:42.02Cass:)
21:42.06gauner1986dan1j3l1: sounds good. did you find out sth with ida?
21:43.04dan1j3l1gauner1986: disassembled few things, more than enough for now
21:43.25Echo31cr2_: I also installed  pxaregs tool . We will upgrade this tool for pxa270  and athena
21:43.40gauner1986dan1j3l1: what was the mystery?
21:43.48gauner1986why did sense report shit?
21:44.39dan1j3l1don't know about mistery, but with  wrapper i get charging detection...
21:44.47dan1j3l1so far so good :)
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21:49.21dan1j3l1anyone here with different liblights (lights.qsd8k.so lights.bravo.so ...) ???
21:49.45Cassi have them but using leo currently
21:49.52Cassneed something ?
21:50.16dan1j3l1need more material for disassembly :D
21:50.29Cassi can upload
21:50.30dan1j3l1but too lazy to download roms and extract them
21:50.34dan1j3l1:p
21:50.35Cass2 mins
21:50.41dan1j3l1nice :D
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21:52.39Casshttp://www.mediafire.com/file/wdisx9c6li63qn6/libs.tar.gz
21:52.42Cass@dan
21:55.07dan1j3l1ok, thx
21:56.13dan1j3l1Cass: this bravo lib is native bravo lib or just renamed some other lib ?
21:56.19Cassnaitive
21:56.22dan1j3l1nice
21:56.23Cassits from cm6
21:56.39dan1j3l1time for IDA :D
21:56.43Cassgl
21:57.16MarkinusNetRipper: could you add it in machlist.txt?
21:57.16MarkinusNetRipper:  Tsunagi,    QSD8xxx ,TOSHIBA TG01;TOSHIBA T01A,       TSUNAGI
21:58.07gauner1986dan1j3l1: native without checking thread? :)
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21:58.42dan1j3l1gauner1986: ??
21:58.59dan1j3l1gauner1986: aaa, yes :D
21:59.03gauner1986:)
21:59.11Cassnow im ??
21:59.19dan1j3l1:P
21:59.31dan1j3l1gauner1986: explain him
21:59.34dan1j3l1:p
22:00.49gauner1986cass: we have a chekcer thread in liblights that polls battery status, normally android should report it to liblights
22:01.28Cassk
22:02.18dan1j3l1bravo lib is very poor one, i think i'll stick with more generic qsd8k...
22:02.42gauner1986??
22:02.47gauner1986:)
22:02.56gauner1986what benefit does that bring?
22:03.10gauner1986there is a proprietary generic qsd8k lib from htc?
22:03.17Cassif the polling can be done away with .. i see lots :)
22:03.49gauner1986well i didn't know that there are closed source generic libs
22:04.20dan1j3l1gauner1986: you have generic qds8k that is more device-wide, and stripped device-specific lib
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22:04.50Cassgauner1986, those qsd8k should be aosp
22:05.06Cassi think they get the bravo flag when compiling device type
22:05.22gauner1986then we should have their source?
22:05.32gauner1986and should be able to implement it ourself, without wrapper
22:05.32Cassgoogles yes .. htc .. no
22:05.39gauner1986okay..
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22:06.02Cassthis is why im confused why we need a wrapper .. none should be needed, though sense may be the issue
22:06.04dan1j3l1i thought about that today, maybe write them a love-letter :D
22:06.10gauner1986if it brings any benefit regarding notifications
22:06.27gauner1986yeah.. sense
22:06.28gauner1986<3
22:07.56fakkerсиськи
22:08.41Cassboobs to you too :P
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22:09.17fakkerиди на хуй
22:09.33fakkerспасибо пожалуйста
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22:09.46Cass?? on dick
22:09.51fakker:)
22:09.52fakkerlol
22:09.54fakkersup
22:10.01Cassthank you too :)
22:10.08fakkerthank you please !
22:10.14Cassdunno but these lessons are fun
22:10.47fakkerim back with gf- sort of
22:11.04Cassdidnt know you wernt
22:11.20fakkerwe had a fight, i told her to fuck off back to latvia
22:11.31fakkercharming, as always
22:11.44Casssmooth
22:12.05fakkershe's back here tho - i gotta go sleep soon
22:12.10fakkerhows the hd2 stuff coming along tho?
22:12.20Cassits all complete .. perfect build
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22:12.24fakkeri seriously just use mine as an alarm clock now, it's silly
22:12.34fakker720p?
22:12.39Cass1080 :P
22:12.41fakkerhaha
22:12.50Cassi have mine as an hdtv
22:12.55fakkeryea
22:12.59fakkeri was thinking about doing that too
22:13.00Cassthe blueray plugin is ace
22:13.07fakkerwhat about the bluray plugin?
22:13.09fakker;]
22:13.21gauner1986fakker: grats
22:13.22fakkercan you connect g25 to it?
22:13.31Cassno just the m25
22:13.34gauner1986greet her from me :P
22:13.39fakkerbut it's always congested Cass
22:13.45Casstis a problem we live with
22:13.49fakker:(
22:14.23fakkergauner1986, thanks, i think? it's all a bit awkward right now
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22:15.49Cassmovie time .. laters !!
22:15.59gauner1986fakker: needs time probably :)
22:17.12fakkeryeah
22:17.35fakkeri'm going to try and make an effort, i guess
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22:20.39gauner1986will be worth it! :P
22:23.09fakkerbetter be
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22:23.14fakkertakes his rage out on noobhands
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22:27.09gauner1986fakker: better get me a gf now, or i'll spend xmas alone! T_T
22:27.31fakker26th is gf bday hah
22:27.35fakkerdec
22:27.40fakkeri'll ask her
22:28.22sumobotis there a known issue with sending or replying sms on hd2 android?
22:28.43gauner1986no
22:29.09sumobotfuck! im trying to get help everywhere and search, but seems i cant fix this
22:29.16sumobotany ideas?
22:29.37gauner1986without logs nobody can tell you anything
22:30.12gauner1986adb logcat -b radio
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22:30.25gauner1986but i need to get some sleep now
22:30.28gauner1986so gn8
22:30.30sumobotoke
22:30.32sumobotguud night
22:30.35sumobotill try somewhere else
22:30.39sumobotbut thanks for answering anyways
22:30.40sumobot;)
22:30.42arrrghhhthis isn't a support channel.
22:31.01sumobotarrrgh yes?
22:31.30arrrghhhsays no
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22:31.31david___hi
22:32.00david___~cotulla
22:32.22david___~seen cotulla
22:32.51arrrghhhhe cannot be seen!
22:33.06david___~ apt die
22:33.17david___?
22:33.44david___arrrghhh: why?
22:33.47arrrghhhwhat
22:33.54david___can't seen
22:34.00david___cotulla
22:34.10arrrghhhshhhhhhh
22:34.16arrrghhhhe must work in complete silence.
22:34.22arrrghhhjust like google.
22:34.26Scrizz<3 fakker
22:34.30david___k
22:34.41david___:=
22:34.49Scrizzha
22:37.17fakker;]
22:39.33Scrizz8)
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22:52.39fakkerbed time
22:52.43fakkergood night
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23:44.54Kaipoomg this is awsome :d
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23:46.33Kaipoguys, can anyone tell me if the android works or will work on HTC Jade: Touch 3G
23:47.43Kaiposhould i ask...anyone alive in here?
23:47.45Kaipo^^
23:47.50arrrghhhnope
23:47.59Kaipoweee...
23:48.01Kaipozombies
23:48.12arrrghhhlet me look up that device... ew.
23:48.43arrrghhhis that just the touch?
23:49.05Kaipohttp://www.htc.com/www/product/touch3g/specification.html
23:49.25Kaipoyeah
23:49.30arrrghhhhrm
23:49.31arrrghhhin theory
23:49.35Kaipohope i understood the question :D
23:49.37arrrghhhisn't the touch aka the vogue?
23:49.41arrrghhhif so, then yes.
23:50.06Kaipoumm...
23:52.08Kaipoumm..i am lost
23:52.28arrrghhhoh wait
23:52.31arrrghhhlookin at the specs
23:52.37arrrghhh200 mhz OMAP...
23:52.42Kaipo?
23:52.43arrrghhh128mb of ram
23:52.46Kaipo520
23:52.49arrrghhhit's not going to run well, if it does.
23:53.01KaipoQualcomm® MSM7225™, 528 MHz
23:53.11Kaipoare you kidding me is faster then vogue
23:53.22arrrghhhhrm
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23:53.27arrrghhhi guess i'm looking at the original touch
23:53.29arrrghhhnot the touch 3g.
23:53.39Kaipogave you link :d
23:53.40arrrghhhhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Touch#HTC_Vogue
23:54.26arrrghhhfind a phone that uses the 7225
23:55.27Kaipodont think it`s added
23:55.36Kaipochecking again :d
23:56.30Kaipoor wait...what did you mean find a phone that uses the 7225?
23:57.19Kaipoon the bootloader?
23:57.24arrrghhh...
23:57.31arrrghhhstick to winmo dude, it'll be much easier for you.
23:58.28Kaipoalright, well this is not my native language
23:58.36Kaiposhould take that in to consideration :P
23:58.48arrrghhhwhat consideration?
23:59.28Kaipowhen you start judging from my answer/questions
23:59.30Kaipo:P
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