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02:17.05mynany eta to when diamond/tp/tp2 etc will be going to move to a writable /system (ext2 or nand)?
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02:39.33tmzt_myn: on sd?
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02:46.17mynyeah
02:47.46Xyndrome_deskHello, I have a HTC Touch HD, and tried running the android 2.1 with sense but got stuck at boot with "Waiting for SD Card" Used that blackstone STARTUP.TXT. Anybody know a solution?
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02:55.14AstainHellbringhi
02:56.56tmzt_Xyndrome_desk: it might be your sd card speed due to a weird bug
02:57.02tmzt_hmm
02:57.04tmzt_nevermind
02:57.07tmzt_blak
02:57.41AstainHellbringsup tmzt_
02:59.08tmzt_not much
03:00.27AstainHellbringgot playing with my raph800 again seems like overclocking is effected by sd speed as well
03:02.25Xyndrome_deskSo should try it with another sd card?
03:03.14AstainHellbringXyndrome_desk one thing to check on is partitioning of your sd
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03:04.17AstainHellbringI had a 2gb sd that had 1 logical partition instead of a primary partition
03:06.30Xyndrome_deskWhere can I check this? The only thing I see is that I have a 8gb fat32 card
03:06.44Xyndrome_deskI didn't format it before I copied the android stuff onto it though
03:08.01AstainHellbringXyndrome_desk connect it to the computer via disk mode and open computer management and disk manager after tha
03:08.04AstainHellbringt
03:10.41Xyndrome_deskyeah, tried that but it didn't show
03:11.09Xyndrome_desknone of the phone partitions
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05:32.43AstainHellbringanyone have opendns's ips?
05:40.08celthunderAstainHellbring, 4.2.2.2
05:40.34AstainHellbringthanks
05:40.55AstainHellbringseems like my entire cage at colo is down
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06:01.36swc|666AstainHellbring, smack the noc
06:06.54AstainHellbringsmacks stupid crappy switch that hung up
06:09.46BHSPitMonkeynote that 4.2.2.2 isn't opendns, but it's better
06:10.40BHSPitMonkeyif you're a google fan there's also 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
06:11.02AstainHellbringyah I normally forward to my works dns server but when thats down ick
06:11.37BHSPitMonkeydecent OSes let you list multiple to fall back on :P
06:12.52AstainZZZZZZeh its my fault its my own dhcp scope that caused my fun
06:18.27tmzt_brctl addbr vpn0; brctl addif vpn0 eth0
06:18.28tmzt_:)
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08:46.49Captnoordgood morning all
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08:52.55CaptnoordGood morning Markinus
08:53.11MarkinusCaptnoord: hi!
08:54.23CaptnoordI think ramconsole doesn't work because the console is set to serial debugging......
08:54.28Captnoordin the kernel command line
08:54.35Captnoordconsole=ffyMSM
08:54.36Captnoordor something
08:54.52Captnoordmaybe we should set it to ramconsole
08:54.56Captnoordor whatever
08:54.57CaptnoordI dono
08:55.02MarkinusCaptnoord: ahh, yes, this could be
08:55.11MarkinusCaptnoord: or maybe remove?
08:55.15CaptnoordI dono
08:55.21Captnoordmaybe the .32 kernel needs it
08:55.23Captnoord:S
08:55.25Captnoordbut
08:55.26MarkinusCaptnoord: for leo we did't have some para
08:55.31Captnoordk
08:55.32MarkinusCaptnoord: cmd is empty
08:55.37Captnoordthen remove it
08:56.09MarkinusCaptnoord: but I can't do much in the Moment. My leg is now in cast.
08:56.23Captnoord?
08:56.30CaptnoordI want to see the x-rays
08:56.43Captnoordhugs Markinus
08:56.45MarkinusCaptnoord: shit soccer
08:57.03Captnoordhehe
08:57.07Captnoorddid you see mine?
08:57.11Captnoordmy x-rays
08:57.22Captnoordsoccer
08:57.23Captnoord:P
08:58.08Captnoordhttp://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/x-rays-2009/leg-under-right/been003_small_safe.jpg
08:58.18Captnoordhttp://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/x-rays-2009/leg-under-right/been004_small_safe.jpg
08:58.19Captnoord:P
08:58.20MarkinusCaptnoord: no broken, the ligaments are torn
08:58.25Captnoordcrap
08:58.30Captnoordhugs Markinus
08:58.36Captnoordrest dude
08:59.09Markinusyes, I'Vt to hold my leg high, so I'm now only in bed . .
08:59.15Markinusshit
08:59.34Captnoordyup
08:59.45Captnoordi've layed in bed for like 6 weeks
08:59.53Captnoordslowly increasing the time I walk
08:59.54Captnoordbleh
09:00.19MarkinusCaptnoord: argh. Not good
09:00.27MarkinusCaptnoord: I only now maybe 1,5 weeks
09:00.35MarkinusCaptnoord: then I can move
09:00.36Captnoordbrb
09:00.50MarkinusCaptnoord: with a stabilisator to right and left
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09:02.24Captnoordre
09:02.27Captnoordcrap
09:02.36CaptnoordI still have the titanium pin
09:02.42Captnoordmuch easier
09:02.57CaptnoordI could walk the second day I was in the hospital
09:03.10CaptnoordI was forced to walk even
09:03.51MarkinusCaptnoord: yeah, I broked last year my hand, on a bike. There I'vf a Titanplate too .  .
09:04.22Captnoordwe are titanium brothers then
09:04.23Captnoord:P
09:04.53MarkinusCaptnoord: yeah! :P
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09:18.04BrilliantMistakedoes anybody know if the value of clock-7x00.a11 would affect the RTC?... some users are reporting a drift of the RTC over time
09:19.07BrilliantMistake*irc is in deep sleep* *weg*
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09:21.00CaptnoordBrilliantMistake: nope it won't
09:21.18Captnoordrtc isn't affected
09:21.25Captnoordwe don't sync the time
09:21.30Captnoordwe should sync it
09:21.31BrilliantMistakedidn't think so, but can't think why there'd be any drift, esp with NITZ
09:21.44BrilliantMistakehmmm
09:21.46Captnoordrtc is has its own clock
09:21.52Captnoordits a single module
09:22.08Captnoordyou should wiki it
09:22.27BrilliantMistakeyeah I assumed so... but NITZ seems to work at least once... but unclear how often that's used after the first sync
09:22.29Captnoordrtc with dynamic freq is killing
09:22.36Captnoordnah
09:22.38CaptnoordI need togo
09:22.41BrilliantMistakenp
09:22.44CaptnoordMarkinus: talk to ya later....
09:25.42MarkinusCaptnoord: k
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09:40.29alain2210mickeyl, GNUtoo : I have tested an android 2.6.30-rc2 experimental version : it suspends/resumes every second
09:40.50mickeylalain2210: interesting. that means they broke it right after 2.6.29
09:41.13alain2210mickeyl: right. it reduces the difference.
09:41.14mickeylnow if we could find out which change was responsible...
09:41.32mickeyl2.6.29 with your defconfig is soooooo slow
09:41.40mickeyli almost thought it was operating without CPU cache
09:41.43alain2210exact, I have found the error
09:41.55mickeyloh cool, what was it?
09:42.00alain2210i have activated usb function by error.
09:42.15alain2210and usb gadget was not working
09:42.16mickeylaah
09:42.19alain2210now it works
09:42.32mickeylexcellent.
09:42.51mickeylso to recap the situation... we have a suspending 2.6.29, a broken 2.6.30-rc2 and following
09:42.56alain2210exact
09:43.31mickeylok. now we need to find a theory for GNUtoo's findings
09:43.44mickeylwho claims he got suspend working with an android userland on 2.6.32
09:44.03mickeylthis is kind of destroying our theory )
09:44.04mickeyl:)
09:44.33alain2210I have no theory now. only observations
09:45.14mickeylright, i tend to come up with theories too early
09:46.01alain2210by the way, the patch for devtmps is not so long. perhaps could it be backported.
09:46.27mickeylyes, the one that finally made it to 2.6.32 is short
09:46.47mickeylhowever as I understand it, they had to do some more things in driver code throughout the 30 and 31
09:46.53mickeyls/code/core/
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09:48.47alain2210no, how to find the diff between 2.6.29 and 2.6.30-rc2, I'm not sure that bissecting is possible.
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09:50.42mickeylperhaps someone like phh can instruct us where to look
09:50.55mickeyla bug as crucial as that is certainly not in some driver
09:50.58alain2210perhaps.
09:51.01mickeylbut rather the PM or SOC core
09:52.01alain2210the problem, is that they have put patch above the 2.6.30-rc2. so to test a previous version, I need to put the patches again
09:53.43mickeyli guess the changes between 2.6.29 - 32 versions are too huge to just apply them on the msm-2.6.29 ?
09:53.49mickeyl[like, mainline diffs]
09:54.15GNUtoomickeyl, ?
09:54.20GNUtooah ok
09:54.21GNUtooyes
09:54.44GNUtoomickeyl, but not any 2.6.32,this one:
09:55.32GNUtoohttp://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git
09:55.54GNUtoobranch android-msm-2.6.32
09:56.30mickeylyes, this one emits the same behaviour as our 2.6.32
09:56.32mickeylfor me
09:56.36mickeylsuspend/resume loop
10:04.54GNUtooah
10:05.05GNUtoostrange then I'll retry then
10:06.23mickeylyeah
10:11.10alain2210for me, also 2.6.32 loop in suspend/resume
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10:20.41LeTamaMarkinus, Captnoord: thanks for the hint, for leo, adding console=ram_console did the trick, it works fine!
10:20.59GNUtoook our .32 doesn't suspend under fso2-demo-image with all our changes removed
10:21.01GNUtooso not our fault
10:21.18GNUtooI'll try cm-mod
10:23.18GNUtooI wonder which kernel we forked
10:23.26GNUtoomaybe something experimental at the time
10:23.31mickeylprobably
10:23.39mickeylwho knows exactly? lev?
10:28.18MarkinusLeTama: for Leo you didn'T  need this
10:28.26MarkinusLeTama: it'S for other devices on .32
10:28.36Markinuslike Topaz or Rhod
10:30.39LeTamaMarkinus, really ? it didn't work so far on mine
10:32.10MarkinusLeTama: but it should. On the other Leos it works fine
10:32.23MarkinusLeTama: did you use the right defconfig?
10:32.49LeTamayes, the last one
10:33.02LeTamathat's the first time I see ram_console working
10:33.09LeTamaor maybe a temporary fluke
10:33.20LeTamaI'll check again without
10:33.21MarkinusLeTama: radio version?
10:33.59LeTama2.10.50.08_2
10:34.14Markinusthis is ok
10:34.26LeTamaIt's true that I played with radio a bit and was with 2.09 for a long time
10:34.35LeTamamaybe that's the reason, I'll double check
10:34.36Markinus2.09 didn't work
10:35.08LeTamaok that's probably why then.
10:35.14Markinusyes
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11:30.08dcordeshi
11:30.50dcordesGNUtoo, regarding xf86-video-msm I mean the updated version that fixes gtk problems + your patch.
11:37.29GNUtoook
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11:43.40dcordesGNUtoo, and you said you put some patch a while back? that was that patch?
11:43.56dcordesGNUtoo, or you lost interest because as you said you don't run it anymore on your device?
11:44.13GNUtoodcordes, I pushed patch in oe,I pushed all what I did
11:44.20GNUtoodcordes, altough I copied a header
11:44.28dcordesawesome
11:44.30GNUtoodcordes, the header should be staged by kernel instead
11:44.41GNUtoodcordes, normally it builds out of the box
11:44.49GNUtoofix the header please
11:45.03GNUtooand I also lost interest because
11:45.15GNUtoothere were no speed improvement and didn't rotate
11:45.35dcordeshmm ok. I remember you guys saying it's super fast
11:45.39GNUtooxf86-video-msm rotate,not trough xrandr(trough xorg.conf) but it does it
11:45.42GNUtoono
11:45.45GNUtoonot me
11:45.48GNUtooleviathan
11:46.35GNUtooI'll eat
11:47.09dcordesactually we can't assume speed improvement because it's not designed for msm7kA
11:47.33dcordesbut for the newer qsd8* devices
11:47.41dcordesbon appetito
11:47.47GNUtoodcordes, for qsd devices with 3d,use it
11:48.01GNUtoos/3d/dri
11:48.11GNUtooimport the dri driver
11:48.13GNUtooand use it
11:48.17GNUtooadd rotation etc...
11:48.35GNUtoounfortunately this dri driver is not available for msm7kA
11:48.51GNUtoothat's why I stopped using it personally and lost interest
11:48.56GNUtooI'll eat
11:50.08dcordeshow about making that dri module work for the msm7kA ?
11:53.35GNUtoommm....
11:53.49GNUtoowould be great but we have suspend that is more important
11:57.43dcordesI've seen mickeyl declaring the war on suspend is lost :D
11:58.36mickeylnot lost yet, but with little hope
11:58.47mickeylalways the optimist, you know :D
12:00.58GNUtoodcordes, really? I'll try something
12:01.10GNUtoofor me it's not over
12:02.30dcordesmickeyl, :P
12:02.37GNUtooalso wifi took time
12:02.41GNUtooaudio took time
12:02.46GNUtooboth took more time than suspend
12:02.53dcordeshow was the turnout of trying the unpatched kernel with shr image?
12:02.55GNUtooand also took a lot of time
12:03.27GNUtoodcordes, ah revert all our changes?
12:03.33GNUtoodidn't suspend
12:03.34dcordesyes that
12:03.39dcordesat all?
12:03.43mickeylunpatched 2.6.32 fails same way
12:03.44GNUtoobut I'll try .32 from android
12:03.48dcordesmickeyl, ok
12:03.52GNUtoothat whould work
12:06.57GNUtooalso for gta02 it took way more time/people than for us
12:07.15GNUtoomickeyl want it to work at once
12:07.20GNUtooyes it should
12:07.32GNUtoo(because otherwise the device is end of life)
12:07.37GNUtoobut...we can't
12:08.49mickeylsorry if i come over too impatient
12:09.47mickeylit's just really annoying me that we have to do kernel->kernel reverse engineering
12:10.09mickeyli'm very patient when it comes to $whatever-os -> linux
12:10.39mickeylbut that Android/Linux is giving us so many headaches moving to GNU/Linux is just hard to accept
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12:17.17GNUtooit's usual,and usually it's called bug fixing
12:17.38GNUtooI bet other BSP do the same
12:17.44GNUtooand have the same issues
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12:21.23GNUtooand forward-porting /backporting
12:21.50GNUtoofor instance I heard that TI didn't manage to merge things into mainline
12:21.54GNUtoofor some soc
12:30.57GNUtoommm it's blocked at "starting udev"
12:30.58GNUtoostrange
12:31.32BrilliantMistakeafternoon good people!
12:33.09GNUtoomaybe devtmpfs lack
12:33.48BrilliantMistakeI am probably going to be shot on sight for this.... since I'm not involved in the actual XDAndroid development, but there's a lot of conflicting info around regarding the startup.txt parameters for many devices. (e.g. if the ram declarations are still required etc)... if someone's nice enough to give me a definitive answer on things, I'd be more than happy to document it!
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12:40.02GNUtoook booted
12:41.03hfctsaotphh: bah they don't give up huh. they always got to reply with something
12:43.08dcordesBrilliantMistake, what's xdanroid?
12:43.29BrilliantMistakeah, it's the android port to HTC phones
12:43.37BrilliantMistakesome of the guys here are working on it
12:44.10BrilliantMistakelong story on the XDA name... goes back to old WinMo devices
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12:51.47GNUtoomickeyl, I can confirm:
12:52.44GNUtooah no sorry
12:52.49GNUtooanyway I'll go
12:52.54GNUtooI'll continue later
12:53.07mickeylk
12:54.10GNUtoodoes it pass the test: http://pastebin.com/HdRtqSAx
12:54.27GNUtoo<PROTECTED>
12:55.50GNUtooahhh ok
12:55.53GNUtoogot it
12:55.56GNUtooit >>
12:56.00GNUtooso at reboot it >>ed
12:56.12GNUtooso only last lines are relevant
12:57.24GNUtoomickeyl, ^^^
12:58.11mickeyllet me check
12:58.13GNUtoook
12:58.55mickeylhmm, 10 minutes looking good
12:59.08mickeyldid it freeze tasks in between?
12:59.19GNUtooI'll look
12:59.26mickeyl(so we can be sure it did not just sleep)
13:00.18GNUtoohttp://pastebin.com/6Y5r2BzS
13:01.09GNUtoonote that also:
13:01.12GNUtoowake_unlock: SMD_RPCCALL
13:02.19mickeylthat's good
13:02.22mickeylit also called msm_sleep()
13:02.51mickeylset_max_sleep_time is still bogus, but that doesn't hurt
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13:04.20GNUtoook so that's .32
13:04.27GNUtooandroid version
13:04.30GNUtoowith android config
13:04.37GNUtoo+
13:04.43GNUtoo*devtmpfs
13:04.54GNUtoo*framebuffer console
13:05.01GNUtoono usbnet
13:06.31mickeylok, can you upload this very zImage?
13:06.35GNUtoook
13:06.38mickeylwhich userland btw?
13:06.40GNUtoobut I really must go
13:06.41GNUtooours
13:06.45mickeylya, do it later
13:06.46mickeylno hurry
13:06.47mickeylthanks!
13:09.09GNUtoohttp://gnutoo.homelinux.org/android/cm-new_0003.fastboot
13:09.16GNUtooI don't know why I called it cm tough
13:09.23GNUtoomust check if it's not cm-mod
13:09.33GNUtooanyway if it's .32 it should be ok
13:09.59GNUtooahhh sorry it is
13:10.01GNUtoosorry
13:10.19GNUtoosigh doing too much things at the same time
13:11.08GNUtoobut I had devtmpfs?
13:11.15GNUtoostrange
13:11.17GNUtooI'll check
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13:13.52GNUtoomaybe I forget what I was doing between  before eating and after eating
13:14.26GNUtoouh
13:14.32GNUtooI think it's not .29
13:14.34GNUtoonor .32
13:14.38mickeylheh
13:14.38mickeyl:)
13:14.46GNUtooit's .33.2
13:14.53mickeyld'oh!
13:14.57mickeyleven better ;)
13:15.04mickeyl(when we can make it work with our config)
13:15.41GNUtoomaybe we rebase against that kernel
13:17.07mickeylworth a try
13:17.11mickeylbut lets not change too many things at once
13:17.13mickeylhow about
13:17.19mickeyl1.) move defconfig so that it matches ours
13:17.27mickeyl2.) rebase
13:17.35mickeylneeds to run or he'll starve...
13:17.39GNUtoook
13:17.41GNUtoolol
13:17.45GNUtoothat's what I thought
13:18.09GNUtooit's already rebased a bit(only for making it work,only 1 fix for fb resume)
13:18.30GNUtooI'll go
13:18.47GNUtooI want it to work,specially because I moved tasks to the htcdream
13:18.53GNUtooyou know the pimlico tasks
13:20.13GNUtooI'll go now
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13:56.34AstainHellbringmorning
14:00.41pitilloah pues iasta liada del to
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15:43.48[acl]phh: i put the source up last night. I checked with the existing aosp rhod users and no one complained.
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16:00.25GNUtoomickeyl, I've some interesting stuff for you on akm
16:00.50GNUtoomickeyl, I'll pm you
16:00.58mickeylok, cool
16:04.06alain2210mickeyl,GNUtoo : I have not understood the discussion about cyanogen 2.6.32.2 kernel
16:04.19alain2210for me, there is the loop.
16:04.35alain2210sorry 2.6.33.2
16:05.00GNUtoothe loop?
16:05.05mickeylsuspend/resume loop
16:05.09alain2210suspend/resume yes
16:05.12mickeyli.e. waking up immediately
16:05.26alain2210non suspend/resume every second
16:05.32mickeylso the great difference is defconfig then
16:05.42mickeyland slight differences in userland
16:05.58alain2210what is the good defconfig ?
16:05.59mickeylGNUtoo: can you give alain2210 the defconfig that works w/ 2.6.33.2 for you?
16:06.02mickeylright
16:06.10GNUtoomickeyl, ok
16:06.19mickeylso if that really really works, we can try introducing our options
16:06.21mickeylstep-by-step
16:06.24mickeyland see which one breaks it
16:07.35GNUtoohttp://pastebin.com/ggYxNTMg
16:13.01alain2210thanks, I will try
16:13.33mickeylgreat
16:13.35mickeylreally curious
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16:19.55hfctsaotmickeyl how goes the native linux g1 project?
16:24.18mickeylhfctsaot: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2010-April/002539.html
16:24.23mickeyli just send a status update today
16:24.29mickeyls/send/sent/
16:24.48hfctsaotTru
16:26.10mickeylso, bottom line, there's good and bad
16:26.39hfctsaotwell it looks to be usable
16:27.07mickeylalmost
16:27.14mickeylsuspend/resume is the showstopper for day2day use
16:27.20mickeyland audio has issues
16:27.25mickeylbut other than that, you can make calls fine
16:27.31mickeyland umts data works superfast
16:27.41hfctsaotmono audio right
16:28.03mickeylit looks like we lost mp3 fast decoding by moving to alsa, i wonder if we should go back...
16:28.16mickeylbut we can take care about that once suspend/resume is fixed
16:28.36mickeylthe other issues _should_ be small
16:28.46mickeylgps could already work, if we knew how to turn it on :D
16:29.35hfctsaotwell overclocking should work for u guys now. that could maybe clean up any system lag if there is any
16:29.56mickeylnice, do we need kernel patches for that?
16:30.19mickeyl(note that we are not using the .27 kernel most folks prefer here in this channel)
16:30.21hfctsaotits acpuclock.c
16:31.03hfctsaotcheck threads by phhusson on xda. he posted what we got working
16:31.16hfctsaotI am too
16:31.28hfctsaot.27
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16:31.35mickeylyeah
16:31.43mickeylit's probably some work to patch ours
16:32.02mickeylbut anyways, interesting for some people.
16:32.08mickeylas long as it transparently hooks into cpufreq
16:32.20hfctsaotill be posting an updated patch tonight to my github tree
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16:33.10hfctsaotits basically just sending the proper value to 528 mhz
16:33.18hfctsaotits a trick
16:34.02hfctsaotI added all freq and rewrite it a bit so u can scale it with an app
16:34.12hfctsaotor user space
16:34.45hfctsaotturbo chip can do 767.6 mhz
16:35.00mesdoes anyone know what part of the debugging options brings in "add_preempt_counter" ?
16:35.27mickeyli usually prefer battery life, but it might be interesting anyways
16:35.42mickeylwith my software, it's pretty snappy already
16:35.52messorry "add_preempt_count" and "sub_preempt_count"
16:36.18mesthese are referenced by wlan.ko
16:41.55mickeylGNUtoo: which branch is that done from? remotes/origin/android-msm-2.6.32 or remotes/origin/android-msm-2.6.32-nexusonec
16:41.56mickeyl?
16:42.10GNUtooI'll look
16:43.04GNUtooandroid-msm-2.6.33
16:43.28mickeyl33?
16:43.30GNUtooor HEAD
16:43.34mickeylah
16:43.37GNUtooremotes/origin/android-msm-2.6.33
16:43.37GNUtoo<PROTECTED>
16:43.39mickeylok, i'll take master
16:43.52GNUtoommm
16:43.58mickeylhmm
16:43.59mickeylinteresting
16:44.01mickeyli don't have that
16:44.03GNUtoothere is also a branch with an interesting name
16:44.07GNUtooremotes/origin/android-msm-2.6.33-pmtest
16:44.08mickeylwhich URI is that?
16:44.24GNUtoogit://github.com/cyanogen/cm-kernel.git
16:44.36mickeylooh
16:44.40mickeylnot upstream
16:44.41mickeyli see
16:44.49mickeyltries that one
16:45.15mickeyli thought you meant android-msm-2.6.32 from upstream
16:45.20mickeylwhich is probably what alain2210 tried as well
16:45.22GNUtoono
16:45.25GNUtoook
16:45.26mickeylwhich loops in suspend/resume
16:45.26mickeylokies
16:45.32mickeyllets see then :)
16:45.40GNUtooremember I made some confusion
16:45.49GNUtooI went to eat and did some other things in between
16:45.56mickeylhehe
16:45.57mickeylright
16:46.10GNUtooand so I misthought that I was on .32 android upstream
16:46.15GNUtoobut I was on cm-mod
16:46.22alain2210yes I have tried android-msm-2.6.32
16:46.30mickeylright, me too
16:47.41alain2210there is an important difference between the two defconfig for cm 2.6.33.2 since the kernel has been all rebuild.
16:47.50alain2210s/rebuild/rebuilt/
16:48.33mickeylall rebuilt?
16:48.44mickeylstill git cloneing
16:49.29alain2210that is, I only change the defconfig in the same tree. and rebuild it. It restart form the beginning.
16:49.40mickeylah
16:49.47mickeylisn't that usual?
16:49.50alain2210I have not git cloneing it : that is too slow.
16:49.58mickeylfor me every tiny change in defconfig always leads to a full rebuild
16:49.59alain2210usual : no it depends.
16:50.09alain2210of what ?
16:50.22alain2210i have not understood.
16:51.17mickeyli have the feeling whatever i change make zImage is taking the same time
16:51.29mickeyljust a gut feeling, i could be wrong
16:51.46alain2210I'm sure : it depends.
16:51.52mickeylyeah, you're right
16:51.58mickeylthey're probably doing dependency calculation
16:52.15alain2210yes
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16:53.35mickeylah, cloning done
16:54.24phh[14:36:10] <BrilliantMistake> I am probably going to be shot on sight for this.... since I'm not involved in the actual XDAndroid development, but there's a lot of conflicting info around regarding the startup.txt parameters for many devices. (e.g. if the ram declarations are still required etc)... if someone's nice enough to give me a definitive answer on things, I'd be more than happy to document it! <---------- I don't even know
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16:55.04alain2210mickeyl, GNUtoo: it boots but stops at udev......
16:55.34mickeylhmm, didn't GNUtoo have the same?
16:55.37mickeylperhaps it only takes a while
16:55.41phhCaptnoord: I noticed something about time
16:55.55phhCaptnoord: my diamond slept all night, and kept the exact clock
16:56.00phhmy rhodium didn't slept at all (on AC)
16:56.03phhand was off by 10 minutes
16:56.10phhso it's suspend/resume stuff which is wrong
16:56.18phh(or randomness.)
16:59.26GNUtooalain2210, add devtmpfs
17:00.08alain2210yes it is
17:00.31hfctsaotphh the g1 xda gurus didn't like u poking fun at their failed oc attempt I seen. lol
17:00.50phhhfctsaot: well it seems they weren't that stupid after all
17:01.00hfctsaotwhy
17:03.06phhsomeones knew the patches you showed me were stupid
17:05.19mickeylok, bootet here
17:05.25mickeyllet's do the suspend dance...
17:05.30hfctsaotfunny thing is none of them believed u guys were really ocing. well all the ones I seen and tried to get to help out on getting it to work
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17:07.07mickeylhmm, no usbnet
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17:07.45phhmickeyl: did you try my patches to get usbnet working on gnu/linux btw ?
17:08.06phhor I gave it to GNUtoo ?
17:08.08phhdon't remember
17:08.08mickeylphh: on which machine?
17:08.12mickeyli've seen http://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm/commit/63248ba25fb371291c06358be9197999e90bf42a
17:08.21phhyes that one
17:08.23mickeylbut usbnet has been working well all the time
17:08.27phhon function ?
17:08.31GNUtoophh, ah function?
17:08.34phhGNUtoo: yes
17:08.51GNUtoook they didn't apply,even manually
17:08.53mickeylah so with this patch we have both adb and usbnet?
17:09.41alain2210mickeyl, GNUtoo : I don't see the boot log on the console. I see only INIT until udev.
17:09.52phhmickeyl: well, I have it on this tree
17:10.02GNUtooalain2210, even with compcache?
17:10.02phhi'm not sure if this patches fixed it or not
17:10.07mickeylalain2210: hmm, strange. it boots through here, do you boot with rw?
17:10.10phhI remember it was quite easy to fix though
17:10.16mickeylphh: right, good thing anyways
17:10.19GNUtooah rw,lol
17:10.44GNUtoophh, the .disabled were not present in all .c files
17:10.47GNUtooif I remember
17:10.48alain2210yes as always.
17:10.51GNUtooor was it enabled?
17:10.58GNUtooalain2210, let me try something
17:11.10alain2210i use exactly the same command line
17:11.16phhGNUtoo: anyway, I remember that what I did, is set usbnet to "compose id 0", and adb to "compose id 1"
17:11.20phhI'm just not sure how I did that
17:11.53GNUtoook thanks a lot
17:12.34mickeyltry 'rw'
17:13.44alain2210i use : "console=tty0 panic=6 mem=110M fbcon=rotate:1 psplash=false root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rw"
17:14.05phhmem=110M ?
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17:14.20alain2210I have read it somewhere....
17:14.40phhwhich board do you have again ?
17:14.48alain2210g1
17:14.49mickeyli have 'console=tty1 no_console_suspend=1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=8 fbcon=rotate:1 panic=30 mem=110M rw'
17:15.11phhalain2210: afaik, only 100MB is declared in fixup anyway
17:15.24hfctsaotphh: check this out. sounds interesting to maybe try http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt
17:15.34alain2210sometimes with no_console_suspend=1 it freeze on suspend.
17:15.43phhor you disactivated pmem ?
17:15.56alain2210phh : I have tried a lot of kernel.
17:16.15alain2210android and the gnu-conform
17:16.15mickeyli need to move now, will be back later
17:16.31phh<PROTECTED>
17:16.33phhin gnu-conform
17:16.37phhso mem=110m is really useless :p
17:16.44alain2210certainly....
17:16.46alain2210thanks
17:17.10alain2210but, I will optimise when I will understand something.
17:17.34phhhave fun with their awesome code.
17:17.35chamonixhey guys
17:17.56phhone day you should use my pmem code :D
17:17.59phhhi chamonix
17:18.05chamonixsalut phh
17:18.18alain2210today : I quite only test android taken from android.git.kernel.org
17:18.19phhhum, dream has a weird layout
17:18.29phhnothing in SMI 1
17:18.55hfctsaotphh: have heard of bfs?
17:19.03phhhfctsaot: I thought it was a filesystem -_-'
17:19.05phhso no
17:19.12phhhfctsaot: I don't think it's worth it though
17:19.21hfctsaottru
17:19.33phhI'd like to see some GOOD mmc-meant FS
17:19.40phhthat would help us *a lot*
17:19.47phhbut naaaa, such things doesn't exist on linux.
17:20.53hfctsaotill give bfs a shot but it looked more like desktop worth shit to me
17:21.11phhGNUtoo: leviathan_ http://husson.hd.free.fr/mem.diff a little patch for you to get 8MB from RAM
17:21.19phh(disables GPU stuff)
17:21.35leviathan_phh: thx
17:21.38GNUtoowow thanks a lot
17:21.47leviathan_dito ^_^
17:21.48hfctsaotlike Idk how great it would be for ARM
17:22.41GNUtooalain2210, I don't know what trigger udev issue,maybe retry until you have it working?
17:22.45phhGNUtoo: leviathan_ OUCH
17:22.46phhwon't work
17:22.50GNUtooah?
17:22.56phhstupid place for msm_fb
17:23.22alain2210GNUtoo : moreover, I do not see the dmesg at boot.
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17:23.47GNUtooah ok
17:23.53GNUtooneither do I
17:24.09alain2210there is something strange is this defconfig
17:24.42GNUtoook
17:24.44GNUtooandroid?
17:24.52GNUtooit's an android defconfig
17:25.14alain2210ok
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17:37.08phhleviathan_: GNUtoo http://husson.hd.free.fr/mem2.diff theorically this patch works and gives 38 extra MB. practically, when I tried it on diamond it crashed, but we know our kernel has problems with multi bank setup, so it's worth the try :p
17:37.29leviathan_:)
17:37.32leviathan_ok
17:37.33leviathan_thx
17:38.25phh(the memory doesn't magically appears, it's 3D/2D/ADSP/Camera stuff that I deleted)
17:39.19GNUtoook thanks a lot!
17:41.13alain2210GNUtoo: I have needed to make change in the defconfig, and I get the usual suspend/resume every second.
17:41.46GNUtoo?
17:41.47GNUtoostrange
17:42.01GNUtooalain2210, what change did you made?
17:42.12alain2210a lot...
17:42.24GNUtooah ok
17:42.27alain2210I am reading the diff.
17:45.01IceBonephh: I'm sad to say that in about a month, I won't be needing your services anymore. :(
17:49.02phhIceBone: legend ? desire ? N1 ?
17:49.18phhIceBone: and don't worry, you'll still need me
17:49.20phhask ToAsTcfh.
17:49.22IceBoneDesire.
17:49.37phhIceBone: why not N1 ?
17:49.41IceBoneToo pricy.
17:49.53phhah, not available with a plan ?
17:49.57IceBoneNot locally, no.
17:50.04IceBoneAt all, I mean.
17:50.15IceBoneI'll get the Desire from ebay.de for 440 euro.
17:50.20phhyou don't have websellers that do subsidies on anything they sell ?
17:50.22IceBoneIf you can find me a Nexus One for less, I'm taking it.
17:50.25phhah.
17:50.29phhright.
17:50.53IceBoneSeriously, I'm game.
17:50.58IceBoneI'd rather have the N1.
17:51.07phhI didn't want to change your mind, just to know
17:51.22IceBoneI'll probably flash the nexus one rom on it anyway.
17:51.30phhaaaahhh
17:51.31phhgreat :)
17:51.48IceBoneAnd buy beautiful widgets for the weather widget thingy.
17:51.51phhwell, I guess sense ui should be usable
17:52.04IceBoneIt is, but I'm so used to eclair now, I don't want to change.
17:52.30phhhaha
17:52.41phhwell, I think I might get convinced by a usable sense ui
17:52.49phhI mean, it seriously rox on rhod
17:52.51phhit's just buggy
17:53.19IceBoneA friend has a Magic with Sense.
17:53.33IceBoneI still prefer vanilla.
17:53.44phhmagic is G1 ?
17:53.49IceBoneNeah, that's the dream.
17:53.56IceBoneMagic is the Hero without the lip.
17:54.30IceBoneOh, geez...
17:54.36IceBoneNexus one for 450 euro
17:54.38IceBoneWith the desire rom
17:54.39IceBoneCOME ON
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17:55.07phhIceBone: ok, call it hero then :p
17:55.23phheasier for my little brain
17:55.31IceBoneWell, it looks better. :P
17:55.34|Jason8|phh: magic is sapphire
17:55.39|Jason8|mytouch 3g
17:55.47IceBoneIt came without sense, but htc released a sense update.
17:55.50IceBoneYeah, tha tone.
17:55.53phhmagic, sapphire, mytouch 3G, hero
17:55.55IceBonethat one*
17:55.55phhother names ?
17:56.00|Jason8|hero's different
17:56.03phhah ?
17:56.07|Jason8|yeah
17:56.08|Jason8|xD
17:56.11phh.
17:56.12IceBoneIt is? o_O
17:56.14|Jason8|yes
17:56.18phh|Jason8|: how ?
17:56.18|Jason8|hero is totally different
17:56.20IceBoneThought there was no difference on the inside.
17:56.28|Jason8|it's a different phone
17:56.49|Jason8|there's magic 32A and magic 32B
17:56.54|Jason8|32B is the same as a G1
17:56.58|Jason8|32A is the same as a hero
17:57.00phhjust the same soc, same screen, same panel, same wifi, same BT, same memory layout
17:57.12|Jason8|at least as far as I can tell
17:57.12phhah, then different memory layout ok
17:57.27phhbtw
17:57.29IceBone|Jason8|: wiki says diff processor and diff amount of ram.
17:57.35|Jason8|yeah
17:57.37phhwhen is HTC releasing a WVGA + keyboard + android phone
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17:57.43|Jason8|32B has 192mb
17:57.44IceBoneMSM7200A and MSM7201A
17:57.46|Jason8|32A has 288
17:57.50chamonixthat's what I'm waiting for too phh
17:57.59phhseriously, how could I go from TP2 to anything else if there is nothing like that ?
17:58.03|Jason8|yeah
17:58.04|Jason8|lol
17:58.09phhchamonix: there next with keyboard device is espresso
17:58.10phhHVGA.
17:58.18phh+their*
17:58.26IceBonephh: there's rumours of a mytouch3g with a sliding keyboard
17:58.32phhIceBone: that's not rumours
17:58.33phhthat espresso
17:58.42|Jason8|IceBone: HVGA, 600mhz
17:58.47IceBoneIt's not on wiki. :/
17:58.50phhIceBone: mytouch slider it's called
17:58.56phhor mytouch 3G ?
17:59.04IceBoneThat's the normal magic
17:59.12phhpfffff
17:59.15phhfucking stupid names
17:59.18phhI'll take espresso.
17:59.25phhthat's a good name <3
17:59.27IceBoneNo mention of a sliding keyboard version on the magic wiki page, though
17:59.27chamonixhttp://androidandme.com/2010/01/news/first-images-of-the-t-mobile-mytouch-slide/
17:59.32phh|Jason8|: not even a QSD8x ?
17:59.35phhggrrrroooouuuumpppppfff
17:59.44IceBoneThat looks cheap.
17:59.48phhI know keyboard is all fashion
17:59.49phhbut WHAT ?
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17:59.54phhIceBone: that looks G1.
17:59.55|Jason8|phh: nope.
18:00.02IceBoneIt looks like one of those organizers I had in primary school.
18:00.21phh:)))
18:00.27phhyeah true.
18:00.46IceBoneI don't think I'd go to a phone with a smaller res screen after the diamond.
18:00.56IceBoneWould need to be at least VGA.
18:01.08phhIceBone: you know I jumped from 128x96 to VGA ? :p
18:01.14phhthat was weird.
18:01.14IceBone:o
18:01.20phhwell, I had the nintendo ds meanwhile
18:01.40IceBoneI jumped from QVGA to VGA
18:01.43IceBoneNot as extreme.
18:01.53phhand 128x96 was only 2 years ago
18:02.02IceBoneThis was 1 year ago. :(
18:02.07IceBoneAnd already I need MOAR!
18:03.15IceBoneWow... there's really a lack of things named nexus in my country.
18:03.21IceBoneJust checked the local ebay thingy.
18:03.28chamonixphh: I read the announcement of android 2.2 for nexus.... it seems they r fixing the RGB led :)
18:03.35IceBone3 nexus ones, 1 gilera nexus 500 bike, one nexus neo prostate stimulator. o_O
18:03.41phhchamonix: you have to hurry then :p
18:03.46phhIceBone: lol
18:03.47chamonixlol
18:03.55chamonixgimme the SDK :P
18:04.37chamonixfor now I did LedEffects for rooted nexus
18:04.55chamonixI just need to write a sequencer
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18:10.16IceBoneIs it possible to put the HTC browser on a Nexus One?
18:10.37IceBoneWith the new text selection, etc.
18:23.30alain2210GNUtoo: I have a suspend/resume loop with a period of 5 seconds.
18:24.01GNUtooah
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18:24.22GNUtooalain2210, how do you bypass udev thing already?
18:24.26alain2210and I have diseable usb eth gadget as in your defconfig.
18:24.44alain2210I have not bypass udev.
18:24.50alain2210I works now.
18:25.09alain2210s/I/it/
18:26.29GNUtooworks means?
18:26.44alain2210the init is complet
18:26.46GNUtoook
18:26.58alain2210It still have the loop
18:27.11alain2210s/It/I/
18:27.21GNUtoook ok  I'll try again but I must bypass udev
18:27.30GNUtooI'll try init=/bin/ash
18:27.47alain2210or you can remove it from rcS
18:29.29GNUtoook
18:29.58GNUtooI remember seeing some alignment traps for udev
18:30.00GNUtooin dmesg
18:31.34chamonixphh: the best kernel I ever had regarding battery life was kernel_20100219_1857 so I'm redoing a test with RIL+SIM/noradio with that one
18:32.33phhchamonix: ok
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18:32.49alain2210GNUtoo : I do not use the same rootfs
18:33.00GNUtoook
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18:36.33NeoMatrixJRanyone w/ CDMA RHOD tried klinux's hero/sense UI system.sqsh?
18:37.04phhgsm rhod ?
18:38.41alain2210GNUtoo : I confirm with usb gadget loop every second, without every 5 seconds
18:39.29GNUtoook I'm testing right now
18:39.35GNUtooI must wait a bit to see if it suspend
18:39.41alain2210Of course
18:39.52GNUtooin the meantime I'll do some fun stuff with my bug device
18:40.17alain2210One or two minutes are sufficient
18:41.12GNUtoook
18:41.49GNUtoo:( (I wanted to do some fun things with my bug device and end up as usual doing htcdream things)
18:42.21alain2210I have no bug device
18:42.46alain2210One device is sufficent to take too much time.
18:43.42GNUtoolol ok
18:44.02GNUtooI won one at fosdem,then I got involved into the small community
18:44.19alain2210yes they are funny
18:44.38NeoMatrixJRphh: have you been trying sense on a TP2/RHOD?
18:44.44phhNeoMatrixJR: yes
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18:45.53NeoMatrixJRphh: any luck?  I can get klinux's working, but no CDMA using latest zImage/rootfs.
18:46.20phhshould work if you have the force_cdma startup option
18:48.51NeoMatrixJRphh: got it.  Forgot on first startup (before data.img) is built it has to be loaded w/o SIM card.
18:49.09phhNeoMatrixJR: yeah I don't buy this no sim card thing
18:49.13phhit seems too weird to me
18:49.17phhanyway, cdma sucks
18:49.18phh*ahum*
18:49.41high-rezyeah death to cdma!
18:49.43high-rezducks
18:49.59NeoMatrixJRphh: :P sux or not CDMA's what I got 'cause GSM network sux here.
18:50.44high-rezNeoMatrixJR: Where is here ?
18:52.01NeoMatrixJRIowa. Des Moines area.  Specifically @ the moment. In a cube farm in worst cell reception area possible w/o being complete dead zone.
18:53.13high-rezHuh, I'd expect there to be fairly good coverage in Des Moines.
18:53.51NeoMatrixJRThere is, but I got in-laws and grandparents that live in rural areas.  NO GSM there...
18:54.24NeoMatrixJRthat and I did always have trouble back when I had a T-mob sidekick 2 in buildings in parts of DSM.
18:54.48high-rezOh, well T-Mobile has a pretty small GSM network in the states.
18:55.49high-rezThere are other gsm providers though.  :)
18:55.56high-rezis a corporate pusher.
18:56.12AstainHellbringhigh-rez corperate drug pusher?
18:56.45high-rezNo, I don't work for a pharmaceutical
18:56.47high-rez;)
18:57.16NeoMatrixJRAT&T.  If I wanted them I'd buy an iPhone (ok...no I wouldn't).  I'm quite happy with my $30/mo sprint SERO 500min & unlim data/txt :) just CDMA android porting is just catching up to GSM
18:59.56high-rez:(
19:00.51AstainHellbringNeoMatrixJR you gonna get evo when its out?
19:03.06GNUtooalain2210, http://pastebin.com/iWUAeBBG
19:03.24GNUtooremoved udev from rcS.d or something like that
19:05.12NeoMatrixJRAstainHellbring: Probably not.  Just got TP2 and wife nearly killed me when told price.  Plus I prefer having phys keyboard and I'm sure no 4G for a LOOONG time here in Iowa. And no native android phones on SERO (probably no 4G on SERO either)
19:05.38AstainHellbringahh ic
19:06.20AstainHellbringNeoMatrixJR thats why I love having a paypal account wife no keep track of I can spend that on goodies
19:07.19alain2210GNUtoo : yes it seems to work. do you have used exactly the defconfig you have send ?
19:07.35GNUtooI'll look
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19:07.42GNUtooI can resend defconfig if you want
19:08.17alain2210and what was the command line ?
19:08.48NeoMatrixJRAstainHellbring: I do the books (somewhat for that reason) but all big purchases are agreed upon.  Sometimes that gets unfair (women and clothes.... X(  ) but no "YOU SPENT WHAT?!" arguments later
19:08.51GNUtoo/home/gnutoo/embedded/htcdream/tools/mkbootimg --kernel /home/gnutoo/embedded/htcdream/SHR/kernel/linux/arch/arm/boot/zImage --ramdisk /home/gnutoo/embedded/htcdream/SHR/bootimg/blank.cpio.gz --cmdline "console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=8 fbcon=rotate:1 panic=5 mem=110M" -o /home/gnutoo/embedded/htcdream/SHR/bootimg/$1
19:09.15GNUtooleviathan_, did you try the patch for more memory?
19:09.17alain2210but the log show some pm debug
19:09.38GNUtooyes that's strange
19:09.46GNUtoois it in the defconfig I pasted?
19:10.43alain2210I have not found.
19:11.31alain2210perhaps a patched kernel.
19:11.45GNUtooI'll give diff
19:12.11GNUtoogit diff returns nothing
19:12.43GNUtooso I didn't even patch that kernel
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19:13.36alain2210but there is something strange.
19:13.49alain2210I have not this debug informations
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19:16.09GNUtoook I just copied config.gz
19:16.51GNUtooalain2210, which branch are you on?
19:16.53GNUtoowhich rev?
19:17.24GNUtoohere /proc/version:
19:17.26GNUtooLinux version 2.6.33.2-cyanogenmod (root@gnutoo-desktop) (gcc version 4.4.1 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2009q3-67) ) #3 PREEMPT Wed Apr 21 14:34:54 CEST 2010
19:17.53alain2210i get (by download not git) : http://github.com/cyanogen/cm-kernel
19:18.02GNUtoohere's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/CcNHMc2b
19:18.12GNUtoonot git???
19:19.32leviathan_GNUtoo: whaat?
19:19.38leviathan_cm?
19:19.41leviathan_why that now?
19:19.59GNUtoobecause it's 2.6.33 and it suspends
19:20.10alain2210GNUtoo not git.  it is a 2.6.33.2
19:20.36GNUtooalain2210, I don't understand? you downloaded only last rev? or stock 2.6.33.2
19:21.50alain2210I have used the download button on the page done.
19:21.51alain2210I got cyanogen-cm-kernel-e93f923.tar.gz
19:22.08alain2210that is the last commit
19:23.02GNUtooah ok
19:23.13GNUtoowhich branch?
19:23.24alain2210I don't know...
19:23.29GNUtooah ok
19:23.42GNUtoomaybe I should try your kenrel wources
19:23.47GNUtoo*sources
19:24.01alain2210it is android-msm-2.6.33
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19:24.40alain2210there is two 2.6.33 branches
19:25.00alain2210this one and android-msm-2.6.33-pmtest
19:27.08alain2210uname -a gives : Linux htc-dream 2.6.33.2-cyanogenmod #6 PREEMPT Wed Apr 21 20:31:34 CEST 2010 armv6l GNU/Linux
19:30.22phhthey have a -pmtest tree ?
19:30.51alain2210yes. But I have not tested it.
19:31.59phhoh right
19:32.02phhthey changed their wakelock stuff
19:32.07phhto something mergeabl I guess
19:41.37GNUtoowow is it interesting for us?
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21:18.29ToAsTcfhIceBone: yes we will always need phh :)
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21:36.39k_linuxHi
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22:10.42mickeyl2.6.33.2 also cought in suspend/resume loop w/ our defconfig
22:11.04mickeylso... we enable something the kernel hasn't made for
22:11.07mickeylwasn't
22:11.51mickeylcan write a script to automatically bring the wifi interface up and then not compile USB gadget into
22:11.53mickeylperhaps that fixes it
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22:22.21alain2210mickeyl : I continue to search the problem between 2.6.29 and 2.6.30.
22:22.55mickeylalain2210: ok, thanks. can you share your 2.6.29 zImage?
22:23.00mickeyl(.fastboot)
22:23.16mickeylah, rather not the .fastboot since you boot from mmcblk0p2
22:23.27alain2210I have only the zImage
22:23.57mickeylgood
22:24.47alain2210for 2.6.33.2 with usb gadget period : 1 s for susp/resume without 5 s.
22:25.28mickeylhmm
22:25.39mickeylthat doesn't sound like not using usb gadget would fix it
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22:26.29alain2210but it has an effect.
22:28.00mickeyltrue
22:28.22alain2210the kernel now is very mnimal.
22:28.46alain2210but I have to wait 1/2 hour to build it.
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22:46.03mickeylg'night
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