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| 00:33.03 | AstainHellbring | hi |
| 00:34.10 | Hoochster | whatup lenovoho |
| 00:40.16 | AstainHellbring | sup Hoochster bitch you know you're jealous |
| 00:41.54 | Hoochster | you know it |
| 00:42.50 | AstainHellbring | mmmm i7 820qm |
| 00:44.00 | AstainHellbring | so I was reading something about droid incredible and htc exchange does it have better support? |
| 00:54.34 | Hoochster | not what you are looking for |
| 00:55.55 | obrienmd | What's astain looking for in Exchange support? |
| 00:56.45 | AstainHellbring | tasks and remote wipe mostly |
| 00:56.53 | AstainHellbring | sms sync support would be nice too |
| 00:58.59 | Hoochster | can't imagine it having anything more than what 2.1 provides in general, but I don't know, but neither of those support that yet. touchdown is still the only app that does all that but not sms last I heard |
| 01:00.13 | AstainHellbring | I know it runs an htc app instead of native 2.1 app |
| 01:00.33 | Hoochster | maybe the htc app supports it |
| 01:00.42 | Hoochster | but doubt it heh |
| 01:15.27 | obrienmd | native sync w/ ability to sync multiple calendars / contact lists (including shared ones) would be awesome.... tasks would be cool too. |
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| 01:15.56 | obrienmd | but as of now, native sync doesn't even include calendar, right? that's a moto-only thing for the droid? |
| 01:16.13 | AstainHellbring | I think native does cal contacts and email |
| 01:16.17 | AstainHellbring | 2.1 native that is |
| 01:16.25 | obrienmd | hrm |
| 01:16.35 | obrienmd | staring at native 2.1 right now, calendar not syncing :) |
| 01:16.54 | AstainHellbring | hmm might be wrong |
| 01:16.58 | obrienmd | pending further messing-with |
| 01:17.40 | AstainHellbring | I need to reload it on a new mem card on my raph800 and play with it again |
| 01:17.50 | obrienmd | rhod400 here |
| 01:19.25 | AstainHellbring | obrienmd I had a rhod400 but gave it to my wife to shut her up about her treo pro |
| 01:20.50 | obrienmd | :) |
| 01:22.55 | obrienmd | On "AOSP on XDANDROID MSM" 2.1-update1, no Exchange calendar support |
| 01:23.16 | obrienmd | It works if you modify system.sqsh to add motocal and motogal apks, though... |
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| 02:35.20 | AstainHellbring | slaps YellowGTO|Nix |
| 02:37.28 | YellowGTO|Nix | kisses AstainHellBring |
| 02:37.37 | YellowGTO|Nix | What ever happened to your Expo? |
| 02:37.41 | AstainHellbring | YellowGTO|Nix likes it rough eh? |
| 02:37.45 | AstainHellbring | I still have it atm |
| 02:37.53 | AstainHellbring | proally gonna loan it out though |
| 02:37.54 | YellowGTO|Nix | Still ike it? |
| 02:37.56 | AstainHellbring | I never use it |
| 02:38.07 | YellowGTO|Nix | What phone do you use? |
| 02:38.11 | AstainHellbring | hd2 |
| 02:38.14 | AstainHellbring | telstra hd2 |
| 02:38.23 | YellowGTO|Nix | I'm playing with Android on the TP2 right now |
| 02:38.29 | AstainHellbring | nice |
| 02:38.34 | AstainHellbring | I need another tp2 |
| 02:38.35 | YellowGTO|Nix | Its come a far way from the 1st time I installed it heh |
| 02:38.51 | YellowGTO|Nix | Its super easy to get running |
| 02:38.55 | AstainHellbring | aye |
| 02:39.47 | YellowGTO|Nix | Haha |
| 02:39.50 | YellowGTO|Nix | Unfortunately for the FCC, the obscuring was done using a layer on top of the actual content in the PDF. Simply copying the PDF contents into Photoshop removed the grey overlay and revealed the chip markings on the PCB. First to notice the sloppy editing was ifixit who began publishing the uncensored details of the inside of Apple's new iPad due to be released tomorrow. |
| 02:40.08 | AstainHellbring | err |
| 02:40.49 | YellowGTO|Nix | Stupid wedding screwed up my finances (Not my wedding, was the best man) now I don't have my GTX 480's :-( |
| 02:41.34 | AstainHellbring | lame |
| 02:42.12 | YellowGTO|Nix | Yeah I spent way more damn money they I wanted to |
| 02:42.20 | AstainHellbring | why spend so much? |
| 02:42.28 | YellowGTO|Nix | Just happened |
| 02:42.37 | YellowGTO|Nix | With him living 100 miles away |
| 02:42.49 | YellowGTO|Nix | Driving back and forth, Bachelor party |
| 02:42.54 | YellowGTO|Nix | Tuz rentals |
| 02:42.56 | YellowGTO|Nix | Tux |
| 02:42.58 | YellowGTO|Nix | Dinner |
| 02:43.02 | YellowGTO|Nix | Wedding gift :-( |
| 02:43.27 | YellowGTO|Nix | I try to limit my monthly spending because I wanna get a new camaro |
| 02:43.38 | YellowGTO|Nix | So I will have to wait till next month to buy my cards now |
| 02:46.49 | AstainHellbring | damn |
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| 02:47.36 | YellowGTO|Nix | WTf |
| 02:47.38 | YellowGTO|Nix | Did any of that post? |
| 02:48.52 | AstainHellbring | saw you want a new camero and wait till next month to buy cards |
| 02:49.11 | YellowGTO|Nix | <YellowGTO|Nix> So I seen Mircosoft is releasing the 1st Tegra phone |
| 02:49.12 | YellowGTO|Nix | <YellowGTO|Nix> But no SD slot :-( |
| 02:49.40 | YellowGTO|Nix | I wanted a tegra phone for so long |
| 02:49.48 | YellowGTO|Nix | I wonder if i'm going to buy that crappy phone |
| 02:50.36 | AstainHellbring | I'd wait for a non wp7 tegra |
| 02:51.19 | YellowGTO|Nix | An Android phone? |
| 02:51.32 | AstainHellbring | guess so |
| 02:51.44 | YellowGTO|Nix | I dunno if i'm ready to jump to Android |
| 02:51.58 | YellowGTO|Nix | But WM7 is looking pretty fail. |
| 02:52.05 | AstainHellbring | aye |
| 02:53.23 | YellowGTO|Nix | I'm not really a big google fan |
| 02:53.42 | YellowGTO|Nix | But if MS really locks us down like the Iphone I will have no choice I guess |
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| 04:37.18 | PSPdemon | anyone familiar with the wing-linux ( android ) project and can possibly explain why im constantly stuck at the power off screen? |
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| 04:51.10 | |Jason8| | PSPdemon: that's normal |
| 04:51.24 | |Jason8| | system isn't completely done yet |
| 04:51.41 | |Jason8| | just pull the battery or whatever once it freezes. |
| 04:51.59 | PSPdemon | its not freezing |
| 04:52.10 | |Jason8| | it's jsut spinning/ |
| 04:52.15 | PSPdemon | right |
| 04:52.18 | |Jason8| | wow |
| 04:52.20 | |Jason8| | never heard of that |
| 04:52.33 | |Jason8| | wanna buy a fuze? |
| 04:52.37 | PSPdemon | i have a tp2 |
| 04:52.38 | PSPdemon | lol |
| 04:52.40 | |Jason8| | oh |
| 04:52.41 | |Jason8| | well |
| 04:52.42 | |Jason8| | fine |
| 04:52.42 | |Jason8| | :P |
| 04:52.49 | PSPdemon | although maybe i will want a fuze |
| 04:52.49 | PSPdemon | ;P |
| 04:52.59 | |Jason8| | i've got one |
| 04:53.02 | |Jason8| | been... sitting here. |
| 04:53.27 | PSPdemon | lol |
| 04:53.34 | PSPdemon | sounds like my wizard |
| 04:53.39 | PSPdemon | .....just sitting there |
| 04:53.47 | |Jason8| | yeah |
| 04:53.48 | |Jason8| | xD |
| 04:54.18 | PSPdemon | figured id try android....gpe.....e17.....qtopia.... |
| 04:54.25 | |Jason8| | lol |
| 04:54.35 | PSPdemon | but its turning out to be fail |
| 04:54.35 | PSPdemon | lol |
| 04:54.37 | |Jason8| | yaeh |
| 04:54.43 | |Jason8| | it'd be awesome to have a pocket PC |
| 04:54.49 | |Jason8| | with debian or something |
| 04:54.58 | PSPdemon | you can install debian on it |
| 04:55.03 | |Jason8| | eh |
| 04:55.08 | |Jason8| | there's rhobuntu |
| 04:55.16 | PSPdemon | already messed with that |
| 04:55.17 | PSPdemon | lol |
| 04:55.20 | |Jason8| | but it breaks on my fuze. |
| 04:55.24 | PSPdemon | oh? |
| 04:55.41 | |Jason8| | yeah |
| 04:55.45 | |Jason8| | framebuffer gets all wonky |
| 04:58.18 | PSPdemon | hmm |
| 04:58.29 | PSPdemon | wonder if theres anyone that can really fully explain to me whats going on |
| 04:58.33 | PSPdemon | i dont get why its not working |
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| 06:08.50 | fleixius | mm is there a motorola droid thread on xda? |
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| 07:51.09 | leviathan | heyo |
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| 09:41.27 | Xyndrome_desk | Hello! |
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| 09:43.22 | Xyndrome_desk | I have a htc touch hd(blackstone?) and found this thread on some people hacking android onto it. Have I come to the right place then? |
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| 10:08.46 | phh | Xyndrome_desk: here it's more a dev channel than a user one |
| 10:09.20 | Xyndrome_desk | aha, I'm just curious on how it's come and if it's still in development?:) |
| 10:09.29 | Xyndrome_desk | how far it's come* |
| 10:10.22 | phh | almost everything works basically |
| 10:10.34 | Xyndrome_desk | even minijack? |
| 10:10.47 | phh | ah |
| 10:10.48 | phh | don't know |
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| 10:16.25 | Untouchab1e | So, can anyone tell me what Android-2.1-18.04.10.Thai.sqsh does? |
| 10:16.52 | Untouchab1e | I know it supposedly fixes the bug some were having with the Android market.. but thats it.. |
| 10:16.57 | phh | lol ? |
| 10:16.58 | phh | no |
| 10:17.02 | phh | it's in the same |
| 10:17.06 | phh | it just adds Thai font |
| 10:17.13 | Untouchab1e | Thats the only difference? |
| 10:17.18 | phh | yes |
| 10:17.24 | Untouchab1e | oh well then |
| 10:17.25 | Untouchab1e | heh |
| 10:17.35 | Untouchab1e | Thanks |
| 10:20.20 | Xyndrome_desk | Where can I find the latest build?:) |
| 10:21.24 | phh | there is not a single build. |
| 10:21.27 | phh | there are mmmmm |
| 10:21.30 | phh | five I think |
| 10:21.32 | Xyndrome_desk | oh |
| 10:21.35 | Xyndrome_desk | how does that work? |
| 10:21.41 | Ondalf | btw, how is camera on kaiser? any news? |
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| 10:23.36 | phh | Xyndrome_desk: what do you mean ? |
| 10:23.40 | phh | there are different builds, that's all |
| 10:24.49 | Xyndrome_desk | What differentiates them?:) |
| 10:25.41 | phh | one is proper AOSP, one is a total mix of stuff coming from everywhere with android 2.0, one is also a total mix with android 1.6, two are sense ui stuff |
| 10:25.50 | phh | oh and there is one that is themed |
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| 10:26.51 | phh | if you want something usable, take the AOSP, if you want something beautiful, take klinux's sense ui |
| 10:27.02 | Xyndrome_desk | Aha:p |
| 10:27.16 | phh | (maybe first test the sense ui to know the defintion of "usable") |
| 10:27.32 | Xyndrome_desk | Not possible to bring them all together?:P |
| 10:27.50 | phh | sense ui and AOSP are opposed by definition -_-' |
| 10:27.59 | phh | the definition of sense ui is closed source stuff |
| 10:28.03 | phh | the definition of aosp is open source stuff |
| 10:28.05 | Xyndrome_desk | ah, okey |
| 10:28.09 | Xyndrome_desk | I understand |
| 10:29.26 | Xyndrome_desk | I was just looking for an android phone that has most features like the minijack, sms, phone, 3g, wifi as I wanted to use it with spotify and I'm dead tired of windows mobile 6.1:p |
| 10:30.05 | Ondalf | btw, spotify works on Kaiser with Eclair |
| 10:30.13 | phh | Ondalf: yup works fine for us too |
| 10:30.20 | phh | the problem is the minijack. |
| 10:30.27 | phh | I think noone coded anything about it |
| 10:31.08 | phh | (no dev has a blackstone, that doesn't help) |
| 10:31.30 | Xyndrome_desk | oh, I guess that makes it harder:p |
| 10:33.56 | Xyndrome_desk | Sucks being stuck with windows mobile 6.1:p |
| 10:35.06 | phh | can't you use usb headset ? |
| 10:36.54 | phh | or usb => 3.5mm adapter. |
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| 10:40.42 | Xyndrome_desk | I don't have a usb headset or converter for it I think |
| 10:41.39 | phh | you can get one, it's cheap |
| 10:42.12 | phh | http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Audio-Headset-Adapter-ExtUSB-HTC-P3470-P3600-S630-/280403091092?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4149539e94 |
| 10:42.14 | phh | something like that |
| 10:42.52 | Xyndrome_desk | Nice, I'll check that out:) |
| 10:43.01 | Xyndrome_desk | so what build would you recommend? |
| 10:43.17 | phh | AOSP |
| 10:43.21 | phh | but sense is definitely worth a try |
| 10:47.20 | Xyndrome_desk | Do you also know where I can find the different builds? Thank you, you have been very helpful:) |
| 10:49.12 | phh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641021 for the sense ui |
| 10:49.17 | phh | for the aosp... mmmm welll |
| 10:49.21 | phh | it's more complicated. |
| 10:50.26 | phh | there is no whole package, so once you tried sense ui, rename system.sqsh and data.img, and get http://htcandroid.xland.cz/Android-2.1-2009-04-14.2-phh.sqsh and rename it to system.sqsh |
| 10:56.35 | Xyndrome_desk | Thank you!:) |
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| 11:41.46 | Wout | oi |
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| 12:03.58 | Wout | hey phh, anything interesting happen in the last few days? |
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| 12:28.49 | phh | Wout: charging always work |
| 12:29.08 | Wout | without usb connected at boot? |
| 12:29.12 | phh | yup |
| 12:29.16 | Wout | awesome! |
| 12:30.51 | Wout | any luck with battery? |
| 12:30.58 | phh | the code changed |
| 12:31.02 | phh | it shows some reasonable values |
| 12:31.05 | phh | +/- 80%. |
| 12:33.09 | Wout | have those changes been pushed yet? |
| 12:33.33 | Markinus7299 | phh: it seems the X10 kernel is based on the codeaurora tree . . . |
| 12:33.57 | phh | Markinus7299: all qualcomm kernel are based on code aurora tree |
| 12:34.16 | Markinus7299 | phh: except nexus one . . |
| 12:34.33 | phh | not the same source tree perhaps |
| 12:35.09 | Markinus7299 | phh: trhe codeaurora .29 is completly different from google one. . . hmmm. I |
| 12:35.18 | phh | Markinus7299: not from 2.6.27 |
| 12:35.22 | phh | iirc |
| 12:36.37 | Markinus7299 | phh: I think about to try this tree for Leo . . maybe are there some things better for it |
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| 12:40.52 | Wout | phh: the new build feels faster somehow, is that the extra available memory working? or just placebo effect? |
| 12:41.01 | phh | Wout: I'd vote on placebo |
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| 13:18.52 | Wout | phh: was that charging patch done by you? |
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| 13:36.20 | phh | Wout: yes |
| 13:37.14 | Wout | ok, it's been a while since I paypalled you. Having charging working warrants a small thank you I think :) |
| 13:37.19 | mickey|office | morning |
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| 14:04.51 | mickey|office | whom can i paypal for fixing suspend/resume on our kernel? :) |
| 14:05.04 | phh | lol |
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| 15:16.00 | mr3d | hello |
| 15:16.38 | mr3d | i saw a thread on xda-developers about running Mer on the kaiser |
| 15:17.19 | mr3d | i there found a kernel withe the frame buffer code patched |
| 15:17.26 | mr3d | so X was working |
| 15:17.59 | mr3d | i have gotten X to work well with the framebuffer, |
| 15:18.17 | mr3d | but with the input, it doesn't work correnctly... |
| 15:19.17 | mr3d | using the standard xorg input device, the touchscreen is to "sensitive" |
| 15:19.17 | mr3d | and evdev/evtouch do not work for some reason |
| 15:19.36 | mr3d | does anyone know how to get evtouch to work on kaiser's touchscreen? |
| 15:20.04 | mr3d | doing a cat /dev/input/event0 outputs binary data when touching the screen |
| 15:20.30 | mr3d | but i get no mouse movement when setting evtouch to event0 |
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| 16:42.35 | dcordes-nokbd | hi |
| 16:43.15 | dcordes-nokbd | GNUtoo ping |
| 16:46.23 | dcordes-nokbd | mr3d grep the logs |
| 16:46.59 | dcordes-nokbd | tmzt and me discussed this problem a while ago |
| 16:47.13 | [acl] | phh: i tested the lib with the aosp. It works fine so i think we can replace the pippy lib. |
| 16:47.39 | phh | [acl]: right, url of your lib then ? |
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| 16:47.53 | [acl] | yep. http://hotfile.com/dl/38927098/e7d30f5/libhardware_legacy.so.html |
| 16:48.18 | [acl] | also you gonna create a branch for the source? |
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| 16:49.25 | mr3d | dcordes-nokbd: well I tried tslib instead, and it seems to work a lot better. |
| 16:49.44 | mr3d | ts_calibrate and ts_test work perfectly |
| 16:49.52 | dcordes-nokbd | mr3d if you check wiki.htc-linux.org you will spot some gnu/linux page. it has some stuff on non-android userspace on msm devices. would be nice to add kaiser related things |
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| 16:50.19 | mr3d | dcordes-nokbd: ok |
| 16:50.26 | mr3d | i'll check it out |
| 16:50.42 | dcordes-nokbd | theres xorg driver for msm |
| 16:50.45 | phh | [acl]: done and you're added |
| 16:51.28 | [acl] | awesome. |
| 16:51.39 | mr3d | dcordes-nokbd: hmm, the server seems to be down :/ |
| 16:52.07 | dcordes-nokbd | GNUtoo did you update xf86-video-msm ? |
| 16:52.25 | dcordes-nokbd | correct uri in topic sry |
| 16:52.35 | mr3d | however, ts_test and so works at least, but i get the wrong coordinates in Xorg |
| 16:52.39 | phh | [acl]: and libhardware_legacy.so pushed |
| 16:52.39 | mr3d | with tslib |
| 16:52.45 | mr3d | even after calibrations |
| 16:52.58 | mr3d | but that seems like a easier to fix problem |
| 16:53.14 | dcordes-nokbd | works? |
| 16:53.16 | [acl] | phh: the lib needs to replace pippys bcm452x-libhardware_legacy.so file and the init has to be modified as well to include eclairhero. Everything else works fine. |
| 16:53.28 | phh | [acl]: yup that's what I did |
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| 16:54.28 | dcordes-nokbd | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=GNU/Linux |
| 16:55.23 | mr3d | dcordes-nokbd: the server is down.. or maybe just some dns problems or something.. |
| 16:55.27 | mr3d | i can't reach it |
| 16:56.15 | stinebd | whoa |
| 16:56.24 | stinebd | that libhardware_legacy.so is much smaller |
| 16:56.24 | mr3d | dcordes-nokbd: ok, i can reach the page from a vps |
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| 17:00.15 | [acl] | phh:awesome. ok my break is over. back to work. Thanks man. you have my email in case you need anything. |
| 17:00.46 | phh | muh ? no I don't /o\ |
| 17:02.17 | mr3d | btw, does anyone know why the left/right are swapped with up/down on kaiser? is that in kernel or in any keymap elsewhere? |
| 17:02.24 | mr3d | it is sortof freeking me out |
| 17:02.27 | mr3d | :/ |
| 17:07.19 | GNUtoo | dcordes-nokbd, ? |
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| 17:08.19 | GNUtoo | dcordes-nokbd, I updated it once some time ago |
| 17:08.31 | GNUtoo | dcordes-nokbd, but I don't use it anymore on my device |
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| 17:10.35 | chamonix | hey guys |
| 17:11.29 | chamonix | phh: test run with full battery (AC loadered), RIL+disactivated SIM, no sync, no loc -> 17 hours |
| 17:11.56 | phh | chamonix: pffffff |
| 17:12.01 | chamonix | good news is it's reproducible, bad news is our battery life does not depend much on what radio does |
| 17:12.09 | chamonix | or does not... |
| 17:12.29 | phh | how did I got my 4 days battery life damned |
| 17:12.34 | chamonix | lol |
| 17:13.40 | chamonix | good question |
| 17:13.45 | chamonix | do u have any logs? |
| 17:13.49 | phh | no |
| 17:13.53 | chamonix | :-/ |
| 17:14.22 | chamonix | what we know is it does not depend on sleep as my phone sleeps perfectly |
| 17:14.34 | chamonix | so it must be a continuuous consumption |
| 17:14.34 | phh | yes |
| 17:15.02 | chamonix | what I did before starting the test was enable/disable WLAN in android as I dunno how my wimo loader inits it |
| 17:15.22 | chamonix | now I could do the same with BT but not with cam or FM |
| 17:17.53 | chamonix | or try another build/kernel |
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| 17:18.20 | chamonix | would it be of any good to try espresso? |
| 17:18.38 | phh | no |
| 17:18.52 | chamonix | donut? |
| 17:18.55 | chamonix | HeHeHe |
| 17:19.26 | phh | I don't think |
| 17:19.34 | phh | the cpu was halted the whole day right ? |
| 17:24.05 | chamonix | nope, it was max 1 hour of sleep |
| 17:24.12 | chamonix | 3 times |
| 17:24.18 | chamonix | rest was 30-45 minutes |
| 17:24.29 | chamonix | 99,6% of sleep |
| 17:28.46 | phh | oO |
| 17:29.11 | chamonix | that's y I say we don' have a PM problem at that point |
| 17:30.35 | phh | you should get way less wakes up than that |
| 17:30.36 | phh | but nvm. |
| 17:30.51 | phh | that doesn't change the point |
| 17:33.04 | alain2210 | hello phh |
| 17:33.53 | alain2210 | do you know how to resume a suspend (probably) htc dream (kernel 2.6.29 fron androiid.git.kernel.org) ? |
| 17:37.57 | chamonix | phh: it worth that I change my profiling script to compare the effective sleep time with the time that was "announced" by PM? |
| 17:38.12 | phh | alain2210: press power button |
| 17:38.15 | phh | theorically. |
| 17:38.40 | phh | chamonix: I think not since it seems it's not the problem |
| 17:38.52 | alain2210 | php : without success now.... I have to read the dmesg |
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| 17:39.22 | phh | I bite. |
| 17:39.29 | chamonix | well, I'll look into it, even if u r right |
| 17:41.06 | chamonix | bbl, the train is moving too fast for the 3G network :) |
| 17:41.32 | phh | lol |
| 17:46.16 | hfctsaot | phh I only got to 767.6mhz. and memory divider changes only caused the phone not to boot. it seems I can't change the memory divider that way. what the highest u guys have gotten? |
| 17:46.16 | chamonix | now that I said that it's stable |
| 17:46.53 | phh | hfctsaot: I know some people gets 768MHz stable, some don't |
| 17:47.17 | AstainHellbring | I got 750 stable on raph800 |
| 17:47.27 | hfctsaot | tru... yeah heat seems to be the killer |
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| 17:49.13 | hfctsaot | I get high clocks easy but it seems aFter use u get heat and end up with lag. but in short bursts it seems ok |
| 17:55.14 | hfctsaot | phh: Idk I think ill just commit what I have. I don't see it getting any better unless I can get it to scale and step up and down inside the oc freqs that would be cool. but as of now I have it setup where u can use an app like setcpu and choose any max u want. so u can just select ur min and max and it will scale according min and max |
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| 17:56.03 | hfctsaot | or just run stock |
| 17:57.16 | hfctsaot | I'm out. ttyl8r |
| 18:04.26 | mr3d | hmm.. just why does my pointer get all messed up in X with tslib, when running ts_print prints the real coordinates.. |
| 18:04.29 | mr3d | strange |
| 18:06.10 | mickeyl | check whether X is really reading via tslib |
| 18:06.16 | mickeyl | and not additionally via input nodes |
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| 18:14.29 | mickeyl | GNUtoo: what's the minimal stuff you had to change in order to get the android kernel to boot GNU userland? just defconfig or did you have to do more? |
| 18:14.59 | GNUtoo | mickeyl, I don't know |
| 18:15.14 | GNUtoo | it depends on what you want |
| 18:15.40 | mickeyl | consolefb and being able to ssh into |
| 18:15.46 | GNUtoo | usbnet then |
| 18:15.49 | mickeyl | right |
| 18:15.52 | mickeyl | vt |
| 18:15.55 | mickeyl | and framebuffer_console |
| 18:15.58 | mickeyl | anything else? |
| 18:16.09 | GNUtoo | ah do you really need framebuffer console? |
| 18:16.32 | mickeyl | not necessarily, but i figure it would be interesting |
| 18:16.42 | GNUtoo | what do you need that for? |
| 18:16.49 | GNUtoo | testing suspend/resume or production |
| 18:16.49 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 18:16.51 | mickeyl | in order to call echo "mem" >/sys/power/state |
| 18:16.54 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 18:16.59 | GNUtoo | only usbnet is needed then |
| 18:17.58 | mickeyl | hmm, fun |
| 18:18.00 | mickeyl | doesn't compile |
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| 18:18.49 | mickeyl | In file included from drivers/usb/gadget/ether.c:106: |
| 18:18.49 | mickeyl | drivers/usb/gadget/composite.c: In function 'usb_add_function': |
| 18:18.49 | mickeyl | drivers/usb/gadget/composite.c:131: error: implicit declaration of function 'MKDEV' |
| 18:19.11 | NoMercy | phh - does headphone work when plugged into topaz? |
| 18:19.22 | NoMercy | good evening from germany btw |
| 18:19.25 | phh | NoMercy: no |
| 18:19.27 | GNUtoo | mickeyl, I'll try to boot android 2.6.32 on cm-mod |
| 18:19.28 | phh | well |
| 18:19.28 | phh | yes |
| 18:19.32 | phh | but not for software sound |
| 18:19.34 | mickeyl | GNUtoo: oki |
| 18:19.38 | GNUtoo | not shure if it'll work |
| 18:19.40 | mickeyl | tries whether including kdev_t helps |
| 18:19.46 | mickeyl | it does |
| 18:22.45 | GNUtoo | doesn't work for me |
| 18:22.50 | GNUtoo | I've only an adb shell |
| 18:23.01 | GNUtoo | only carrier logo on display |
| 18:23.03 | GNUtoo | and no ls |
| 18:23.22 | GNUtoo | ah ok now I got ls |
| 18:23.23 | GNUtoo | with: |
| 18:23.25 | GNUtoo | toolbox ls |
| 18:24.30 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:24.56 | GNUtoo | yes...lol (toolbox is like busybox) |
| 18:25.03 | GNUtoo | it's the android busyboz |
| 18:25.08 | GNUtoo | *busybox |
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| 18:38.28 | mickeyl | ok, same symptoms on upstream msm-2.6.32 |
| 18:38.32 | mickeyl | so |
| 18:38.37 | mickeyl | either it's broken there |
| 18:38.38 | mickeyl | or |
| 18:38.50 | mickeyl | changing the defconfig breaks it |
| 18:42.57 | NoMercy_ | sorry for the question but what does : Modified bcm4325 libhardware_legacy to work with eclairhero builds. |
| 18:42.57 | NoMercy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.34 | phh | NoMercy_: make wifi working on rhodium for sense ui build |
| 18:44.52 | Hoochster | whatup all |
| 18:45.10 | alain2210 | GNUtoo Mickey : Hello |
| 18:45.15 | GNUtoo | alain2210, hi |
| 18:45.20 | mickeyl | hi alain2210 |
| 18:45.36 | alain2210 | I have build a "original" 2.6.29 kernel that works with my OE image |
| 18:46.47 | alain2210 | and I can suspend the htc dream. I have test it 10 second after pushing on keyboard. |
| 18:47.05 | mickeyl | can we see your dmesg, please? |
| 18:47.05 | alain2210 | I cannot see that it resume but I can see it in the syslog. |
| 18:47.20 | mickeyl | i have created the ultimate 'make-mickey-believe-you' pastebin |
| 18:47.32 | mickeyl | http://pastebin.com/QjKC4rVX |
| 18:47.33 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:47.38 | GNUtoo | http://pastebin.com/THYFENvV <- 2.6.32 android under cm-mod with issues |
| 18:48.26 | mickeyl | GNUtoo: that looks pretty good |
| 18:48.27 | alain2210 | http://pastebin.ca/1870166 |
| 18:49.07 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 18:49.15 | mickeyl | could you let it sleep for longer? |
| 18:49.25 | mickeyl | i need at least 1 minute :) |
| 18:49.41 | alain2210 | I will retry. |
| 18:49.56 | mickeyl | alain2210: thanks. I'd like to try your defconfig; perhaps this is the key |
| 18:50.07 | mickeyl | i think we still have no idea where the problem lays |
| 18:50.18 | mickeyl | but if you are right, at least we have a working baseline now |
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| 18:57.33 | mickeyl | perhaps it's the USBnet |
| 18:57.51 | GNUtoo | you can have a config without usbnet? |
| 18:57.53 | mickeyl | but it's so darn tough if e.g. both the vt console and the usb net would alter the behaviour |
| 18:57.59 | mickeyl | how can we observe anything then |
| 18:58.05 | GNUtoo | shell scripts? |
| 18:58.07 | mickeyl | without a fixed program as init that writes something |
| 18:58.14 | GNUtoo | wifi? |
| 18:58.15 | mickeyl | yeah, that's very cumbersome |
| 18:58.18 | GNUtoo | we have wifi |
| 18:58.32 | leviathan | GNUtoo: but its not very cool to start |
| 18:58.38 | leviathan | if it hangs 2/3 of the time |
| 18:58.39 | GNUtoo | lol |
| 18:58.42 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 18:58.44 | mickeyl | not here |
| 18:58.48 | leviathan | okee |
| 18:58.48 | mickeyl | 100% reliable these days |
| 18:58.49 | leviathan | how? |
| 18:58.53 | mickeyl | modprobe msm_wifi |
| 18:58.54 | leviathan | new version? |
| 18:58.57 | mickeyl | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 18:59.00 | leviathan | ok |
| 18:59.01 | leviathan | ... |
| 18:59.04 | leviathan | I'll try |
| 18:59.05 | mickeyl | now either udhcpc or manual |
| 18:59.14 | GNUtoo | leviathan, use the debug fs |
| 18:59.23 | GNUtoo | s/use/compile in your kenrel/ |
| 19:00.15 | mickeyl | if .29 is working correct, we can perhaps backport devtmpfs |
| 19:00.26 | mickeyl | and be lucky until we throw the device away |
| 19:00.31 | mickeyl | in few years |
| 19:00.53 | mickeyl | other than devtmpfs i don't bother .29 vs. .32 |
| 19:01.18 | alain2210 | mickey : defconfig http://pastebin.ca/1870207 |
| 19:03.44 | mickeyl | alain2210: that looks fairly standard |
| 19:04.17 | mickeyl | so that means you unplugged USB cable, echo mem >/sys/power/state - and be lucky? |
| 19:04.18 | alain2210 | mickeyl: it is the closest to the 2.6.32 that does not suspend. |
| 19:04.29 | alain2210 | I don't unplug it. |
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| 19:04.42 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:04.46 | mickeyl | that's very strange |
| 19:04.53 | mickeyl | it should not suspend with usb plugged in |
| 19:04.59 | mickeyl | due to their shiny wakelocks |
| 19:05.05 | alain2210 | here the usb is not active. I don't know why. |
| 19:05.13 | mickeyl | oh, it's broken? |
| 19:05.20 | mickeyl | physically? |
| 19:05.22 | GNUtoo | mickeyl, I tested .32 |
| 19:05.29 | alain2210 | With this defconfig, the kernel is very slow |
| 19:06.04 | alain2210 | so I suspend more the one minute and I can only see in syslog http://pastebin.ca/1870214 |
| 19:06.29 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:06.32 | mickeyl | that's no suspend |
| 19:06.35 | mickeyl | did you echo "on" again? |
| 19:06.43 | mickeyl | request_suspend_state: s |
| 19:06.43 | mickeyl | leep (3->3) |
| 19:06.48 | GNUtoo | mickeyl, my log ( http://pastebin.ca/1870166 ) was with android 2.6.32 |
| 19:06.51 | mickeyl | which means you did not echo "on" |
| 19:06.57 | mickeyl | so you are still logically in suspend state |
| 19:07.09 | alain2210 | how can i do echo on ? |
| 19:07.16 | alain2210 | I have no screen atm |
| 19:07.33 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:07.34 | alain2210 | and nothing seems to be responsive |
| 19:07.34 | mickeyl | blind? |
| 19:07.42 | mickeyl | the screen is just turned off |
| 19:07.48 | mickeyl | chvt 2 |
| 19:07.49 | mickeyl | chvt 1 |
| 19:07.52 | mickeyl | might enable it again |
| 19:08.03 | alain2210 | I have used the combination call/power menu. |
| 19:08.41 | mickeyl | GNUtoo: 1870166 is only 2 seconds |
| 19:08.46 | mickeyl | GNUtoo: that is not convincing |
| 19:08.53 | GNUtoo | I'll re-look |
| 19:09.23 | GNUtoo | maybe wrong log |
| 19:09.28 | mickeyl | alain2210: i'll take a look with .29 later tonite |
| 19:09.37 | mickeyl | will be back in a couple of hours |
| 19:09.43 | GNUtoo | http://pastebin.com/THYFENvV |
| 19:09.49 | GNUtoo | sorry was wrong log |
| 19:09.50 | alain2210 | mickey: and i will test also the 2.6.32 |
| 19:10.08 | alain2210 | I get nothing with 2.6.27 |
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| 19:11.14 | mickey|away | GNUtoo: http://pastebin.com/THYFENvV is half an hour, not bad. can you slightly migrate defconfig to our version so we can see which options breaks it? (if it's kernel at all) |
| 19:11.43 | GNUtoo | mickey|away,.32 android kernel |
| 19:11.59 | GNUtoo | I'll look with our defconfig on android |
| 19:11.59 | AndroidHTCMagic | hi.. may i ask a question about android SDK here? can't join android's chan cause i'm not registered... :( |
| 19:12.18 | GNUtoo | AndroidHTCMagic, if you look for NDK you can use openembedded for it |
| 19:13.43 | AndroidHTCMagic | i'm sorry, what? :P |
| 19:13.55 | GNUtoo | AndroidHTCMagic, what was the question |
| 19:15.01 | AndroidHTCMagic | um... i have a more specific question actually but... it was if i may ask something about SDK in here |
| 19:15.01 | AndroidHTCMagic | :) |
| 19:15.29 | chamonix | hey guys |
| 19:16.07 | AndroidHTCMagic | chamonix.. yes? :) |
| 19:17.19 | chamonix | don't ask if u can ask, just shoot..... if someone can help he will be happy oto |
| 19:17.35 | phh | chamonix: well, asking about asking for android sdk doesn't seem stupid. |
| 19:17.39 | phh | it's not really related with here. |
| 19:17.46 | chamonix | true |
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| 19:18.04 | phh | k_linux: hey |
| 19:18.13 | phh | k_linux: your build starts to become almost usable. |
| 19:18.19 | phh | (still not enough for me though) |
| 19:18.21 | stinebd | has battery life been fixed yet? ;) |
| 19:18.22 | k_linux | Hi |
| 19:18.34 | k_linux | it's the case |
| 19:18.37 | k_linux | :) |
| 19:18.46 | phh | stinebd: who cares about battery life ? :p |
| 19:18.54 | chamonix | lol |
| 19:18.54 | stinebd | good point, i have a car charger |
| 19:18.56 | k_linux | I agree |
| 19:19.03 | k_linux | me too |
| 19:19.09 | phh | I've a 50Wh battery in my backpack. |
| 19:19.14 | chamonix | me too but no car anymore :-D |
| 19:19.57 | k_linux | and charger on my desktop too |
| 19:19.57 | stinebd | ok so next question |
| 19:19.57 | k_linux | phh: waw |
| 19:19.58 | stinebd | are camera, gps and rhod bluetooth working yet? :P |
| 19:20.55 | AndroidHTCMagic | chamonix ... thanks.. ok , i'm pretty noob with android development etc.... and i need directions or how to's for a simple program i really need. it should have 3 text boxes one button and GET one url from the web... the URL will be splited in to a standard motive AND my dynamic text boxes.... i don't ask for a script or something... but if somebody can point me to the right books, tutors, vids, software, samples... |
| 19:21.00 | AndroidHTCMagic | i'd be glad |
| 19:21.42 | AndroidHTCMagic | and um... sorry about my creepy english |
| 19:21.43 | AndroidHTCMagic | :P |
| 19:22.08 | phh | stinebd: and 6125 sound. |
| 19:22.09 | k_linux | phh: did u commit libhardwarelegacy ? |
| 19:22.13 | phh | k_linux: yup |
| 19:22.14 | stinebd | nobody needs sound |
| 19:22.19 | stinebd | thats what vibrate is for |
| 19:22.27 | phh | stinebd: I want spotify. |
| 19:22.33 | k_linux | cool I will change the links on my 1st post |
| 19:22.46 | phh | k_linux: I didn't even test if it starts though :p |
| 19:23.00 | stinebd | what changed in that libhardware_legacy? |
| 19:23.16 | k_linux | np betatesters are around :P |
| 19:23.39 | phh | stinebd: added some stub functions to make HTC stuff happy |
| 19:23.40 | chamonix | AndroidHTCMagic: http://developer.android.com/intl/zh-CN/guide/index.html and anddev.org forum would be where u should start looking.... the developer.android will take u thru basics like activities and layout, anddev is definitely a starter for snippets of any kind |
| 19:24.12 | Wout | chamonix: did you find time yet to read my pm on xda? |
| 19:24.17 | AndroidHTCMagic | chamonix :)))))) thank you! |
| 19:24.53 | chamonix | Wout: yes sure, haven't had time to analyse logs yet because I've been stuck with a mistery of my own but I have not forgotten :) |
| 19:24.58 | chamonix | ur welcome AndroidHTCMagic |
| 19:25.08 | Wout | ok, thanks :) |
| 19:26.06 | phh | Wout: chamonix what are you dealing ? |
| 19:26.23 | chamonix | AndroidHTCMagic: and if I can suggest one book it would be "unlocking android 2" at Manning Press |
| 19:26.38 | chamonix | phh: radio logs :) |
| 19:26.44 | phh | chamonix: ah |
| 19:26.46 | phh | nothing for me |
| 19:26.50 | chamonix | u want some? |
| 19:26.53 | chamonix | rofl |
| 19:26.57 | phh | :p |
| 19:27.11 | phh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6244951&postcount=105 |
| 19:27.24 | phh | a qualcomm 700MHz cpu is about as fast as a K6 233. |
| 19:28.00 | chamonix | wow |
| 19:28.17 | chamonix | and more convenient to transport too |
| 19:28.20 | bkero | That benchmark is really flawed |
| 19:28.31 | bkero | nbench is pretty crap |
| 19:28.33 | chamonix | every benchmark is |
| 19:28.52 | phh | chamonix: what ? you don't but K6s in your pocket ? ! :p |
| 19:29.10 | bkero | That benchmark doesn't even measure anything useful |
| 19:29.17 | stinebd | catpunt? |
| 19:29.20 | stinebd | interesting user name |
| 19:29.26 | chamonix | nah phh, all those pins hurt |
| 19:29.38 | bkero | Also, you read it wrong. It's much faster than a K6/233, it was just using a K6/233 as a reference. |
| 19:29.49 | phh | bkero: I know |
| 19:30.14 | phh | I looked at the single test stuff |
| 19:30.29 | phh | most are around 1.4, with many really low results |
| 19:30.34 | bkero | can run phoronix on his G1 and NexusOne. |
| 19:30.58 | phh | right memory index 1.1 and integer index 2.Ã |
| 19:31.17 | phh | so for integers it performs quite like K6 500. |
| 19:31.27 | phh | (which never existed) |
| 19:31.35 | bkero | I'm not exactly sure that's what that index means. |
| 19:32.24 | phh | ok, now, the "benchmarks are subjective" part |
| 19:32.46 | bkero | Nah, I'm still on the 'inaccurate' part. |
| 19:32.55 | chamonix | never trust figures u didn't falsify urself |
| 19:32.59 | phh | :)) |
| 19:34.37 | chamonix | phh: is there anything that I do in init/init.rc to shut down parts that may cause our mystery drain? |
| 19:34.45 | chamonix | +can |
| 19:35.31 | phh | chamonix: I can't see anything particular |
| 19:35.45 | chamonix | ok, I'll boot a linux without android then to compare |
| 19:36.20 | phh | why not |
| 19:36.30 | chamonix | I'm just looking for a baseline |
| 19:37.20 | leviathan | mickey|away, GNUtoo: its getting sooo guly |
| 19:37.27 | leviathan | *ugly... >_< |
| 19:37.43 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 19:37.46 | Kensan | leviathan: are you refering to suspend/resume on the dream? |
| 19:37.47 | leviathan | suspend |
| 19:37.50 | leviathan | yes |
| 19:38.10 | leviathan | as more as I read this android kernel stuff |
| 19:38.15 | Kensan | well it seems that it's been like this for quite a while |
| 19:38.23 | leviathan | as more I preffer to say "android"-kernel |
| 19:38.30 | leviathan | because its so unusable for other distros |
| 19:38.31 | GNUtoo | leviathan, the android 2.6.32 suspends |
| 19:38.41 | GNUtoo | not ours |
| 19:39.03 | leviathan | GNUtoo: does the android kernel also allow SHR to run? |
| 19:39.16 | leviathan | no, right? |
| 19:39.23 | GNUtoo | no |
| 19:39.26 | leviathan | so the "android"-kernel is unusable |
| 19:39.56 | leviathan | and every try to use it under other distros then android breaks basic functionality |
| 19:40.03 | leviathan | what only leads me to one point |
| 19:40.19 | leviathan | where is the google headquarter |
| 19:40.54 | leviathan | I'd like to draw some Molotov cocktail into it |
| 19:41.05 | leviathan | >_< |
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| 19:41.34 | leviathan | as more as I read this code of theire's I start to hate google... more and more... |
| 19:42.31 | leviathan | I need to solve some excersices, I lied down with ileus this weekend |
| 19:42.37 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:42.59 | leviathan | I'll look into it tomorrow evening |
| 19:46.11 | phh | k_linux: it's funny, your espresso build doesn't seem to be espresso. |
| 19:46.18 | phh | I mean that espresso is supposed to have a keyboard |
| 19:46.24 | phh | and it doesn't handle keyboard properly at all. |
| 19:46.50 | alain2210 | mickeyl : after 18 minutes of suspend : http://pastebin.ca/1870266 |
| 19:47.12 | alain2210 | one can see the two timestamps |
| 19:47.13 | NoMercy_ | could someone explain me the difference between espresso and hero build? |
| 19:47.54 | phh | NoMercy_: hero comes from hero and espresso from espresso ? |
| 19:48.08 | NoMercy_ | espresso is not released i guess |
| 19:48.16 | k_linux | phh: well it's not espresso anymore :P |
| 19:48.16 | k_linux | phh: I'm using a mix of legend and desire build now |
| 19:48.16 | k_linux | well from I get htc desire apps working |
| 19:48.18 | GNUtoo | alain2210, yes 2010-04-20 19:17:46.113708508 UTC -> 2010-04-20 19:36:25.939788840 UTC |
| 19:48.19 | phh | NoMercy_: no :p |
| 19:48.23 | phh | k_linux: meeeeeeh |
| 19:48.25 | GNUtoo | alain2210, which kernel? |
| 19:48.29 | phh | k_linux: there have been updated espresso leaks |
| 19:48.32 | phh | perhaps they work better |
| 19:48.48 | alain2210 | I have used the 2.6.29 android kernel with my OE image |
| 19:48.51 | k_linux | phh: espresso had sdk 6 which is not compatible with desire apps/framework 7 |
| 19:49.00 | phh | k_linux: pffffff |
| 19:49.08 | GNUtoo | alain2210, how do you boot it? |
| 19:49.09 | NoMercy_ | wasnt espresso the one withh those squared glossy icons? |
| 19:49.15 | k_linux | phh: link ? |
| 19:49.16 | GNUtoo | s/boot/control it |
| 19:49.32 | GNUtoo | you have netconsole + ssh? |
| 19:49.33 | alain2210 | what do you meam ? |
| 19:49.38 | alain2210 | no ssh |
| 19:49.48 | alain2210 | no usb gadget. |
| 19:49.49 | GNUtoo | console then? |
| 19:49.51 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:50.06 | alain2210 | the phose is still connect via usb cable |
| 19:50.11 | NoMercy_ | those? http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blogcdn.com/de.engadget.com/media/2009/12/12-27-09espresso2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://de.engadget.com/2009/12/28/htc-espresso-ui-nun-auf-video-zu-sehen/&h=450&w=467&sz=39&tbnid=hn1cP-MUcBBIRM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhtc%2Bespresso&hl=de&usg=__IBCnu2YJUb350_Wb0hpwBg4GzUg=&ei=YAXOS5rnKYGnOLKlxeIP&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image&ved=0CBcQ9QEwBQ |
| 19:50.19 | alain2210 | but usb dies not work |
| 19:50.26 | alain2210 | s/dies/does/ |
| 19:50.37 | alain2210 | so only with console |
| 19:51.04 | alain2210 | and I cannot see that it resumes. |
| 19:51.16 | alain2210 | but it resumes |
| 19:51.21 | phh | k_linux: groumpf can't find it |
| 19:51.29 | phh | k_linux: it's called mytouch slider |
| 19:52.16 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:53.29 | stinebd | all this hvga crap on the market |
| 19:53.56 | phh | stinebd: hehe. |
| 19:54.12 | k_linux | ok I will search :) |
| 19:55.11 | k_linux | phh: thx I will search |
| 19:56.22 | phh | but stinebd is right |
| 19:56.23 | phh | it's hvga |
| 19:56.29 | phh | so it might not work |
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| 20:03.01 | k_linux | phh: I will take just libs and part of framework maybe it will give better results |
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| 20:12.45 | k_linux | I hate my 3G provider ! |
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| 20:26.53 | Captnoord | exams done |
| 20:26.54 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 20:26.57 | Captnoord | my head hurts |
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| 20:50.10 | NoMercy_ | that will go away just enjoy a few beers Captnoord |
| 20:50.54 | Captnoord | nah I wish |
| 20:51.04 | Captnoord | need to wait until my med's are worn off |
| 20:51.06 | Captnoord | then I can |
| 20:51.14 | Captnoord | otherwise I endup with a huge headache tomorrow |
| 20:51.48 | NoMercy_ | about what where these exams? |
| 20:52.03 | NoMercy_ | *were |
| 20:52.16 | Captnoord | IC Tech |
| 20:52.19 | Captnoord | electronics |
| 20:52.22 | Captnoord | and TMA |
| 20:52.25 | NoMercy_ | sounds interesting |
| 20:52.30 | Captnoord | loads of info |
| 20:52.33 | Captnoord | hard to learn |
| 20:52.41 | Captnoord | because the course has been simplified |
| 20:52.52 | Captnoord | and it you need to learn a bit of this... and a bit of that |
| 20:52.53 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 20:52.57 | Captnoord | I just want 1 reader |
| 20:53.02 | Captnoord | for 1 class |
| 20:53.03 | Captnoord | thats it |
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| 20:54.32 | NoMercy_ | but thats not what you get - and because the course is simpliefied you wont get the knowledge you need for the exams and have to learn it on your own i guess? |
| 20:54.58 | Captnoord | its a combination of teachers who don't know how to write docs in MS Word |
| 20:55.06 | Captnoord | unable to understand the formula editr |
| 20:55.09 | Captnoord | editor |
| 20:55.15 | NoMercy_ | OMG |
| 20:55.22 | Captnoord | they majorly suck at dutch grammar |
| 20:55.35 | Captnoord | 3 classes |
| 20:55.36 | Captnoord | 1 exam |
| 20:55.39 | Captnoord | 3 parts |
| 20:55.40 | Captnoord | 1 part |
| 20:55.45 | Captnoord | good documents |
| 20:55.51 | Captnoord | its a real pleasure to read |
| 20:55.57 | Captnoord | and to do the assignments for it |
| 20:56.00 | Captnoord | loved it |
| 20:56.07 | NoMercy_ | ok i guess dutch grammar is difficult - i thought by now its a combination of german and english mixed in a bottle and shaked - just like a cocktail :p |
| 20:56.07 | Captnoord | the other 2 |
| 20:56.34 | Captnoord | the other 2 are just a mix of about 9 different 'readers' about variouse subjects |
| 20:56.37 | Captnoord | and I hate that |
| 20:56.39 | Captnoord | come on |
| 20:56.46 | Captnoord | can't you just wrap everything together |
| 20:56.53 | Captnoord | NoMercy_: don't get me started |
| 20:56.58 | Captnoord | I am dislectic |
| 20:57.06 | Captnoord | or whatever |
| 20:57.21 | Captnoord | and still I use my sister to read over everything I write |
| 20:57.27 | Captnoord | and I use common sens |
| 20:57.36 | NoMercy_ | how old is she? |
| 20:57.37 | Captnoord | don't make a sentence with 2 sub sentences |
| 20:57.39 | Captnoord | my sister |
| 20:57.43 | Captnoord | i'm 27 |
| 20:57.44 | Captnoord | she's 29 |
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| 20:58.10 | NoMercy_ | okay you are 3 years older than me |
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| 21:00.11 | NoMercy_ | let me explain its the same situation in germany but its even worse - most of our teachers dont understand the problems of their pupils proberly or simply dont care. Thats why most of our students suck at the famous pisa test. So your not the only one - lucky for me i have all my knowledge i need |
| 21:01.01 | NoMercy_ | but what i simply dont get why you need someone at the age of 27 to read over your writings |
| 21:01.12 | Captnoord | dude..... |
| 21:01.17 | Captnoord | its simple |
| 21:01.22 | Captnoord | I can write proper dutch |
| 21:01.27 | Captnoord | but some things I simply can't see |
| 21:02.17 | Captnoord | and if I write papers |
| 21:02.26 | Captnoord | my sister always wants to check them |
| 21:02.38 | Captnoord | and i'll make sure her laptop keeps running |
| 21:03.11 | Captnoord | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia |
| 21:03.27 | Captnoord | just a note... I never use it as a excusse |
| 21:03.57 | Captnoord | I spend time on everything I write to make sure there aren't any grammar errors in it |
| 21:05.23 | NoMercy_ | Oh sorry i understand |
| 21:05.56 | NoMercy_ | i didnt know that its kind of disease you cant really heal |
| 21:06.10 | Captnoord | its not a dsease |
| 21:06.13 | Captnoord | desease |
| 21:06.20 | Captnoord | its a genetic disorder |
| 21:06.26 | NoMercy_ | thats even worse |
| 21:06.29 | Captnoord | decease* |
| 21:06.36 | Captnoord | its manageble |
| 21:06.45 | NoMercy_ | means you get used to it |
| 21:06.53 | Captnoord | and besides the wikipedia beeing nicely stereotyping |
| 21:07.00 | Captnoord | I do read |
| 21:07.02 | Hoochster | disease here to help heh |
| 21:07.04 | Captnoord | a lot |
| 21:07.13 | Captnoord | highfives Hoochster |
| 21:07.19 | Hoochster | :) |
| 21:07.42 | NoMercy_ | Hello Hoochster - that sounds dutch too |
| 21:07.57 | Captnoord | lol |
| 21:08.06 | Hoochster | heh |
| 21:08.12 | Captnoord | NoMercy_ sounds german? |
| 21:08.13 | Captnoord | :P |
| 21:08.32 | NoMercy_ | no it doesnt - my name is Sascha - what is the russian abbreviation of Alexander |
| 21:08.55 | Captnoord | so we should call you Alex |
| 21:09.03 | Captnoord | :P |
| 21:09.22 | NoMercy_ | i will get used to that even its not correct - Sascha means Protector btw |
| 21:09.36 | NoMercy_ | what is your real name? |
| 21:09.40 | Captnoord | Protector |
| 21:09.42 | Captnoord | I won't tell |
| 21:09.44 | Captnoord | private |
| 21:09.47 | Captnoord | :P |
| 21:10.11 | NoMercy_ | Its not embarassing to tell ones real name is it? |
| 21:10.30 | Hoochster | depends on the name |
| 21:10.32 | Hoochster | heh |
| 21:10.44 | NoMercy_ | yours is definately not real too |
| 21:10.48 | NoMercy_ | hoochster |
| 21:10.57 | Hoochster | who says |
| 21:11.06 | Hoochster | what my wife calls me |
| 21:11.31 | NoMercy_ | your wife calls you hoochster? - whatever that may mean |
| 21:11.41 | Hoochster | shortens to hooch |
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| 21:12.25 | NoMercy_ | that sounds fun if you pronounce it in english - and even more fun if you pronounce it french - then you would be called oochster |
| 21:13.49 | NoMercy_ | thats not to make fun of you by the way - but i want to know that it means if you want to explain it |
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| 21:25.01 | Captnoord | re |
| 21:25.07 | Captnoord | [23:10] <NoMercy_> Its not embarassing to tell ones real name is it? |
| 21:25.08 | Captnoord | dude |
| 21:25.14 | Captnoord | there is a reason we all use handles |
| 21:25.24 | Captnoord | I simply don't want to tell my name |
| 21:26.12 | NoMercy_ | ok as you see i have no problem telling my real name - no one can even do a thing with it - but i wont have a problem with telling other private details either |
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| 21:51.07 | myn | Thing is |
| 21:51.12 | myn | if you're well known |
| 21:51.16 | myn | people can find that stuff out :) |
| 21:51.19 | myn | google myn@efnet |
| 21:51.30 | myn | you can easily determine my real name |
| 21:51.55 | myn | so aliases aren't so good |
| 22:08.32 | alain2210 | mickeyl, GNUtoo: with an android .32 kernel, the phone suspend/resume/suspend quickly (~every second) |
| 22:09.26 | mickey|away | right |
| 22:09.29 | mickey|away | that's what i have here as well |
| 22:09.34 | mickey|away | immediately wakes up |
| 22:09.55 | alain2210 | the 29 is good, the 32 bad |
| 22:09.58 | mickey|away | so that looks pretty much like a kernel problem, not a problem in our defconfig |
| 22:10.04 | mickey|away | which branch did you build? |
| 22:11.01 | alain2210 | I have buiild the android.git.kernel.orig msm android-msm-2.6.29 and android-msm-2.6.32 |
| 22:11.12 | mickey|away | ok |
| 22:11.12 | alain2210 | s/buiild/built/ |
| 22:12.20 | alain2210 | with both theses kernels, the screen does not resume |
| 22:12.28 | mickey|away | yes, that's expected |
| 22:12.55 | mickey|away | the panel reinit has to be triggered explicitly |
| 22:13.07 | mickey|away | we have patches that do that with FBIOBLANK |
| 22:13.18 | mickey|away | but if we go to .29 we need to backport all our work |
| 22:13.20 | alain2210 | yes |
| 22:14.38 | mickey|away | chances are very low that someone fixes that in .32 |
| 22:14.54 | mickey|away | so i'm afraid we have little choice |
| 22:15.31 | alain2210 | I don't know who do the android kernel. |
| 22:15.47 | alain2210 | perhaps, they will see the problem. |
| 22:17.00 | mickey|away | unlikely |
| 22:17.08 | mickey|away | the problem is most likely only on trout |
| 22:17.12 | mickey|away | (htc dream) |
| 22:17.23 | mickey|away | and i bet no one is crosschecking on this old model |
| 22:17.32 | mickey|away | it's out of production - done |
| 22:17.48 | mickey|away | we could ask Pavel Machek |
| 22:17.49 | alain2210 | but there is still some official update |
| 22:18.07 | mickey|away | yes, of userland |
| 22:18.38 | alain2210 | they stay with the old 2.6.25 kernel ? |
| 22:20.01 | mickey|away | from the branches it looks like donut ships with 2.6.29 |
| 22:20.12 | mickey|away | remotes/origin/android-msm-2.6.29-donut |
| 22:20.47 | mickey|away | well, we could always try to start with .29 as baseline |
| 22:20.54 | mickey|away | and check whether the mainline patches apply |
| 22:20.57 | mickey|away | to uplevel to .32 |
| 22:21.09 | mickey|away | but i leave that to the kernel guys |
| 22:21.18 | mickey|away | i'm already digging more in kernel land than i ever wanted to |
| 22:21.53 | alain2210 | and devtmpfs is only in .32 |
| 22:22.09 | mickey|away | yes, i must confess i'm really insisting on that |
| 22:22.22 | alain2210 | in my image, i use udev |
| 22:25.05 | alain2210 | mickey|away: good night |
| 22:25.17 | mickey|away | good night alain2210, thanks for your help! |
| 22:25.33 | alain2210 | thanks for all your work |
| 22:25.45 | mickey|away | :) 'à bientôt |
| 22:26.02 | alain2210 | auf wiedersehn |
| 22:55.06 | Captnoord | phh still awake? |
| 22:55.08 | Captnoord | on sleep |
| 22:55.09 | Captnoord | nk.exe |
| 22:55.10 | Captnoord | does |
| 22:55.14 | Captnoord | *0xAA0FC0C0 = 1 |
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