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| 00:18.57 | Boydell | hey guys |
| 00:19.42 | noisyzen | hey hey |
| 00:20.00 | Boydell | how goes it? |
| 00:20.37 | Boydell | anyone know whats new in the 02.08 XDANDROID build? System.sqsh/rootfs? |
| 00:21.10 | IceBone | hardware 3d. |
| 00:21.26 | Unholy | yup |
| 00:21.28 | IceBone | But it also has a stupid bug where all the apps you have installed start up during boot and it's insanely slow. |
| 00:21.35 | IceBone | Untill you kill them. |
| 00:21.42 | Boydell | yah |
| 00:21.54 | Boydell | Thats been there since 02.02 i think |
| 00:22.21 | IceBone | I've tested 02.02 and 04.02. Only got it now with 08.02. |
| 00:23.06 | Boydell | Hm, well I think I have the 02.04 and advanced task killer is FULL on startup |
| 00:23.25 | noisyzen | pretty good. |
| 00:23.29 | IceBone | *shrug* |
| 00:23.41 | noisyzen | Boydell: that was to you. :) sorry i'm slow to respond - watching the super bowl |
| 00:23.41 | IceBone | It is quite fast, though, once you kill all the aps. |
| 00:23.53 | Boydell | sweet |
| 00:23.57 | IceBone | Have a few games and they all seem faster. |
| 00:24.07 | IceBone | abduction and jewells. |
| 00:24.37 | Boydell | was the mem bank stuff pushed into the 02.04? I cant remember |
| 00:25.08 | IceBone | I think so. I have a diam100, so none of that for me. |
| 00:25.18 | Boydell | ah yah it was. Thats when it got fast for me, and started to be awesome fast |
| 00:25.33 | Unholy | yea it is i got 104 ram free |
| 00:28.28 | IceBone | I have 25. |
| 00:28.34 | IceBone | max 102, free 25 |
| 00:28.35 | IceBone | :( |
| 00:28.52 | Unholy | my mas is 282 i think |
| 00:28.58 | Boydell | time for a new phone lol |
| 00:29.07 | IceBone | Yeah, thinking of getting a Magic. |
| 00:29.11 | Boydell | Unholy: what phone do you have? |
| 00:30.09 | Unholy | raph110 |
| 00:30.42 | Boydell | I thought is was something like 256 of RAM? |
| 00:31.00 | Boydell | In the phone |
| 00:31.12 | Unholy | let me check im nit shure |
| 00:31.16 | Unholy | not* |
| 00:31.45 | Unholy | in android i got 182 total |
| 00:31.54 | Unholy | 81mb free ram right now |
| 00:32.02 | Boydell | yah thats about what I have |
| 00:32.06 | Unholy | yup |
| 00:32.20 | IceBone | :( |
| 00:33.57 | IceBone | Yeah, definitely buying the magic. |
| 00:41.20 | fleixius | You have to modify the a file inside the kernel tree |
| 00:41.32 | fleixius | I dont remember but you can search the logs it was covered a few days ago |
| 00:41.42 | fleixius | It'll allow you to unlock the max potential of your ram limit. |
| 00:42.34 | Boydell | fleixius: the raph100 dont have much RAM |
| 00:43.16 | fleixius | yeah but you when you allow access to the full potential, the home screen especially, runs so much smoother |
| 00:44.23 | fleixius | I have the raph100 fuze and my device runs so much better now. |
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| 00:51.56 | JesusFreak316 | What's the recommended version and options to edit your system.sqsh? I unsquashed mine, edited the contents, resquashed it and now android keeps saying i/o error and timeout. |
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| 01:01.22 | Boydell | so what is this 3d? i dont see anything different? |
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| 01:14.35 | stinebd | it's for 3d stuff |
| 01:14.40 | stinebd | 2d is no different |
| 01:16.19 | Boydell | stinebd: Yah, but is there any 3d on the phone right now to test? |
| 01:16.31 | stinebd | Boydell: games or boot animation |
| 01:16.53 | Boydell | didnt notice anything different about the boot animation |
| 01:17.06 | stinebd | that's not a great performance benchmark |
| 01:17.07 | stinebd | heh |
| 01:17.25 | stinebd | try a game in android and see if it runs more than 1 frame per hour |
| 01:17.52 | Boydell | well games "seemed" to work before |
| 01:18.03 | stinebd | a 3d game :/ |
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| 02:14.13 | JesusFreak316 | Are there special parameters for making squashed filesystems to work with android? When I build one it keeps spitting i/o errors and timeout errors at me. |
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| 02:18.25 | JesusFreak316 | Are there special parameters for making squashed filesystems to work with android? When I build one it keeps spitting i/o errors and timeout errors at me. |
| 02:18.51 | mcdull | JesusFreak316, need old version of squashfs |
| 02:19.02 | mcdull | ver 3.. (ver 4 wont work) |
| 02:20.04 | JesusFreak316 | I do; 3.4 |
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| 02:20.42 | JesusFreak316 | Not the lzma version either |
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| 02:20.43 | JesusFreak316 | Got it from sourceforge and compiled |
| 02:20.50 | mcdull | umm. why not download the precompiled one? |
| 02:21.07 | JesusFreak316 | I want to remove some default apks I don't want or need. |
| 02:21.40 | mcdull | I mean the squashfs. |
| 02:22.02 | JesusFreak316 | It's in there. I don't want the default browser. |
| 02:23.24 | mcdull | you mean you don't want the "browser" in the mksquashfs so you want to compile your own mksquashfs? |
| 02:23.41 | JesusFreak316 | The web browser to be exact. Yes |
| 02:24.23 | mcdull | JesusFreak316, ok.. once again.. you mean you are compiling the "mksquashfs" or android system? |
| 02:24.38 | JesusFreak316 | just the system.sqsh |
| 02:25.44 | mcdull | ok.. so you are repacking the system.sqsh only. And I asked why didn't you use a pre-compiled version of mksquashfs 3.4 utility. |
| 02:26.18 | JesusFreak316 | Specifically what I am doing is "unsquashfs"ing the system.sqsh into a folder, deleting the apk then mksquashing it. |
| 02:26.26 | JesusFreak316 | * Oh, slaps forehead. |
| 02:26.42 | JesusFreak316 | It wasn't on synaptic |
| 02:27.44 | mcdull | I am not sure if everything in sourceforge is the same as the one pre-compiled. should you try to repack the system.sqsh without modification? |
| 02:27.49 | JesusFreak316 | It only had version 4. |
| 02:28.03 | JesusFreak316 | I'll try that. |
| 02:28.10 | JesusFreak316 | Give me a few minutes. |
| 02:28.33 | mcdull | I remembered somewhere in XDA has the precompiled version of mksquashfs for download. |
| 02:28.49 | JesusFreak316 | As a .deb file? |
| 02:28.59 | JesusFreak316 | I hadn't thought of that. |
| 02:29.18 | mcdull | actually, just an execute file. |
| 02:29.26 | mcdull | unsquashfs and mksquashfs |
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| 02:30.29 | JesusFreak316 | True. Searching now |
| 02:31.55 | JesusFreak316 | I don't see it on XDA. Would the -nolzma string work on version 4? |
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| 02:56.25 | mcdull | JesusFreak316, version will NOT work. |
| 02:56.33 | mcdull | JesusFreak316, version 4 will NOT work. |
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| 03:09.40 | JesusFreak316 | Ok. It's not just lzma support? |
| 03:23.13 | mcdull | version 3 and 4 is totally incompatible AFAIK. |
| 03:23.58 | JesusFreak316 | Ok. Thought so |
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| 03:26.11 | mcdull | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/squashfs/squashfs-tools_3.3-7_i386.deb |
| 03:26.25 | mcdull | try it |
| 03:41.18 | JesusFreak316 | Installing... |
| 03:42.10 | JesusFreak316 | I'm actually 64 bit, so I downloaded the amd64 version. Not that it matters. |
| 03:42.30 | ReeferMattness | anyone know if markinus got any further on the topaz/rhodium 3d? |
| 03:43.01 | JesusFreak316 | I haven't seen him recently, no. I have 3d though. :D |
| 03:43.23 | JesusFreak316 | Fuze |
| 03:44.19 | ReeferMattness | Yeah, works on the fuze :( Rhod/Topaz get a blank black screen during 3d. |
| 03:44.55 | JesusFreak316 | I'm sorry. You sure you renamed the zImage? The included one had an extension. |
| 03:45.14 | JesusFreak316 | Or is it a known problem? |
| 03:45.24 | ReeferMattness | yessir |
| 03:45.32 | ReeferMattness | it is a known problem :) |
| 03:45.55 | ReeferMattness | was just checking if there had been any updates since i was cooking and watching football all day. :) |
| 03:46.38 | JesusFreak316 | None that I know of, but I don't follow those threads. |
| 03:48.45 | ReeferMattness | Thanks JF |
| 03:49.06 | ReeferMattness | ill read through the logs, maybe ill find something. |
| 03:49.45 | JesusFreak316 | I wouldn't say that yet; I could be sending you false info as I really don't know. But reading the logs would probably be best. |
| 03:55.06 | mcdull | my phone seems to be rather unstable after playing with android. I now revert to stock rom and spl / radio. |
| 03:56.22 | JesusFreak316 | Mine too kind of. My sd card doesn't seem to want to show up in storage card mode. Well, NRG just released some new roms that I've been eyeing anyways. |
| 03:56.42 | ReeferMattness | those new NRG roms are pretty smooth |
| 03:56.59 | ReeferMattness | from what he says its almost 100% new packages. |
| 03:57.02 | JesusFreak316 | Which do you have? |
| 03:57.05 | ReeferMattness | must say I was impressed |
| 03:57.46 | ReeferMattness | 23529 Feb 1.... didnt know he released a new one today :) For the Rhod |
| 03:59.28 | JesusFreak316 | Only thing keeping me back is that I want the newest manila 2.5 so I can use maxmanila 3.0 but he says it's unstable. |
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| 04:26.49 | mcdull | lol |
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| 04:46.07 | mcdull | are there any difference in using wm6.1 and wm6.5 to boot android? |
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| 06:36.05 | mcdull | ææ²æé¦æ¸¯äººå¨ï¼ |
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| 06:52.35 | playdo | some news with hw3d? |
| 06:54.30 | AstainAway | hw3d? |
| 06:55.44 | playdo | the 3d driver in the new build |
| 06:56.41 | playdo | driver dont work on blackstone |
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| 07:24.33 | The_Eccentric | anyone have a link to the andriod bundle? |
| 07:29.06 | mcdull | what do you mean a android bundle? |
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| 07:30.22 | JairunCaloth | stabs X in the face. Over and over |
| 07:32.28 | JairunCaloth | http://pastebin.com/d27313ec1 |
| 07:32.41 | JairunCaloth | X doesn't seem to like the fact that I don't have a keyboard configured |
| 07:33.07 | JairunCaloth | I don't have a keyboard configured, because I don't HAVE a keyboard |
| 07:33.12 | JairunCaloth | -.- |
| 07:33.26 | JairunCaloth | If I try to put in a BS keyboard config. It craps on itself then too |
| 07:33.38 | JairunCaloth | btw, this is debian running on Nexus one. |
| 07:33.58 | JairunCaloth | any ideas? |
| 07:35.01 | playdo | mcdull ping |
| 07:36.14 | The_Eccentric | mcdull, where i can get all the files to put on my sd card |
| 07:36.32 | The_Eccentric | not real sure on the lingo of it, still a lil new to the seeen |
| 07:38.40 | playdo | The_Eccentric: look at this: http://htcandroid.xland.cz/Android2.0.1-07.02.10.7z thats the newest build. if that doesnt work switch back to an older one http://htcandroid.xland.cz/ |
| 07:40.11 | mcdull | The_Eccentric, for the very basic, please refers to the faq in xda forum. |
| 07:40.40 | playdo | mcdull: did u test the new build? and got 3d to work? |
| 07:40.42 | The_Eccentric | thanx you guys, luv the friendly support keep it up |
| 07:41.12 | mcdull | playdo, I just reverted to stock wm rom, so not yet tested.. how is your result? |
| 07:41.48 | playdo | mcdull: bad :( dont get 3d to work, but now its reported from several ppl that blackstone doesnt work |
| 07:41.52 | mcdull | I reverted to stock spl/radio but finally updated to wm6.5 topix. The stock rom is just too old. |
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| 07:42.20 | playdo | true, the stock rom is way too old and not that functional |
| 07:42.38 | mcdull | most of the app would not run without new .net CF. |
| 07:43.08 | playdo | :D i know the times, when i had to install .net on myself every time |
| 07:43.49 | mcdull | but I got some other challenge, I need to use Chinese language other than WWE. So it was a pain time as well. |
| 07:43.56 | playdo | if u need some help with the new build just ask. u have to do some things first to get 3d to work (if it will work at last) |
| 07:44.22 | mcdull | playdo, I guess you mean the chmod 666 ? |
| 07:44.32 | mcdull | or to start touchflo before that? |
| 07:44.35 | playdo | dont u use english with ur rom? or do u mean u need chinese for email/sms? |
| 07:44.48 | mcdull | yes. chinese for sms / msn /etc |
| 07:45.06 | playdo | chmod 666? dont know what u mean mcdull. i meant the start of an 3d app in winmo before haret |
| 07:45.52 | mcdull | ok.. that is pretty much easy. but the dual boot thing becomes kinda useless. |
| 07:46.01 | playdo | yup |
| 07:46.31 | mcdull | in old build, to enable 3d you need to chmod a file after boot. I used to put the command in custom shell. Seems it was fixed in the new build. |
| 07:46.54 | playdo | but i think yoztag is programming a v2.0 version so maybe he can implement to start winmo 3d before launch |
| 07:47.23 | playdo | mcdull, yes that was fixed with new build. but did u get 3d working with that commad? |
| 07:47.26 | playdo | command |
| 07:48.17 | mcdull | yes. 3d was working with the new kernel. |
| 07:48.25 | mcdull | tho it is not as fast as expected. |
| 07:48.30 | playdo | damn, maybe its my rom? |
| 07:48.44 | mcdull | you cant enable 3d? |
| 07:49.06 | playdo | no, not with new build, nor with old build and shell commands |
| 07:49.25 | mcdull | let me test it once again.. I have hard reset my phone just now... |
| 07:49.37 | mcdull | so I would test with a clean wm6.5 |
| 07:49.52 | mcdull | luckily I have downlaoded the new build already. |
| 07:49.52 | playdo | topix rom? |
| 07:49.54 | mcdull | yes. |
| 07:50.01 | mcdull | topix is simply the best |
| 07:50.02 | playdo | k, try it and post ur result |
| 07:50.15 | playdo | can u provide a link to topiox rom? |
| 07:50.22 | playdo | if not, im going to search |
| 07:53.26 | mcdull | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460640 |
| 07:53.34 | mcdull | choose the combination you want. |
| 07:54.17 | playdo | thx |
| 07:56.29 | playdo | hmm looks okay for me mcdull. maybe i try it this week |
| 07:56.48 | mcdull | its rom is very fast.. I regret to choose manila 2.5.. 2.1 is much more responsive. |
| 07:57.40 | The_Eccentric | has anyone tested debian arm on the ralph before??? |
| 07:58.51 | playdo | but manila 2.5 has better tabs, e. g. programs on home screen, weather etc mcdull |
| 07:59.15 | playdo | The_Eccentric: whats debian arm? debian linux for arm architecture? |
| 07:59.27 | The_Eccentric | yeas |
| 07:59.32 | playdo | link? |
| 07:59.40 | The_Eccentric | all i see is this on |
| 07:59.41 | The_Eccentric | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622474 |
| 07:59.53 | The_Eccentric | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmPort |
| 07:59.56 | playdo | i take a look |
| 08:00.01 | The_Eccentric | http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
| 08:00.05 | The_Eccentric | ok |
| 08:00.06 | The_Eccentric | thanx |
| 08:01.19 | playdo | i dont think we can use that because the lack of drivers |
| 08:01.37 | mcdull | drivers should be built in kernel. |
| 08:02.16 | mcdull | this kernel should works across all linux built. but it doesn't means that they are all supported. |
| 08:02.22 | playdo | but not our specific drivers? |
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| 08:04.30 | mcdull | most of the driver part should be done in kernel. So at least the basic will work. For wifi kind of stuff, would be more difficult. |
| 08:05.49 | playdo | i think i just sit and wait for a rom :D |
| 08:05.52 | mcdull | playdo, shit . my phone hang..... |
| 08:06.06 | playdo | mcdull: on android start? |
| 08:06.09 | mcdull | yes. |
| 08:06.17 | mcdull | not even with logo yet. |
| 08:06.22 | playdo | when? whats happening? |
| 08:06.32 | mcdull | after the long console message. |
| 08:06.33 | playdo | after shell commands? |
| 08:06.42 | playdo | so just before boot logo? |
| 08:06.45 | mcdull | yes. |
| 08:06.57 | playdo | yep, thats the same error like mine |
| 08:07.05 | mcdull | so it could be the 3d thing broken |
| 08:07.18 | playdo | wait a few minutes (3-5) and maybe it starts. |
| 08:07.33 | mcdull | if that is the case, no 3d for sure./ |
| 08:07.35 | playdo | it seems that 3d is broken and the boot logo doesnt get displayesd |
| 08:08.06 | mcdull | you got the same result? |
| 08:08.16 | mcdull | did you try the chmod 666 thing? |
| 08:08.17 | playdo | yes |
| 08:08.20 | playdo | no |
| 08:08.23 | playdo | what chmod thin? |
| 08:08.34 | playdo | +g |
| 08:09.17 | mcdull | chmod 666 /dev/msm_hw3d* |
| 08:09.52 | mcdull | if the mode is incorrect, the hw3d driver could not be access.. |
| 08:10.06 | mcdull | the same case here.. I need to wait for 5 minutes. |
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| 08:10.19 | The_Eccentric | mcdull, try old build i was having the same issue with my just stopping @ the load screen |
| 08:10.24 | mcdull | playdo, please check the file mode before applying. |
| 08:10.29 | playdo | alright, then try to run neocore or labyrinth with 3d |
| 08:10.54 | mcdull | let me know the result pls.. damn I have no adb access in linux |
| 08:10.57 | playdo | mcdull: but the permissions dont "survive" a reset i think |
| 08:11.11 | mcdull | playdo, yes.. need to do it everytime. |
| 08:11.32 | playdo | but the new build should handle that and 3d should work from start |
| 08:11.32 | mcdull | at the moment.. may need to check the irc log, I am quite sure they have that discussed. |
| 08:11.50 | mcdull | coz I always replaced the new kernel, I am not sure at that case. |
| 08:12.06 | playdo | but that didnt work for me either (changing permissions) |
| 08:12.09 | mcdull | also, the package was not tested under blac100 anyway. |
| 08:12.27 | playdo | wehen i restarted server with shell killall system_server the phone just hung |
| 08:12.29 | mcdull | oh.. that's bad... error in neocore or slow? |
| 08:12.44 | mcdull | why you need to kill system_server? |
| 08:12.45 | playdo | just tried labyrinth |
| 08:13.01 | playdo | and that just hung my phone and with second try it restarted my phone |
| 08:13.04 | mcdull | I guess killing system_server is not working. |
| 08:13.27 | playdo | The_Eccentric: what phone do u use (i just forgot if u said that earlier) |
| 08:13.42 | mcdull | is 5 minutes pass yet..? my phone is still having no response. |
| 08:14.03 | playdo | The_Eccentric: the phone hangs before boot screem because new build has 3d enabled from the start and it seems our phone cant handle that |
| 08:14.33 | playdo | mcdull: i thought it started? no booting after that? try to reset and start again |
| 08:14.45 | playdo | first time it didnt boot for mee too |
| 08:14.57 | The_Eccentric | raplh |
| 08:15.00 | The_Eccentric | ralph |
| 08:15.14 | The_Eccentric | playdo, u? |
| 08:15.21 | playdo | blackstone |
| 08:15.49 | mcdull | I got Bus 001 Device 014: ID 0bb4:0c01 High Tech Computer Corp. under lsusb.. but I cannot find device in adb... anyone knows why? |
| 08:15.58 | The_Eccentric | shouldnt be that much different |
| 08:16.30 | mcdull | umm.. first time.. ? how long? been waiting for 5 minutes at least... |
| 08:17.03 | playdo | mcdull: try a second time with restart. it wasnt that long to wait for me |
| 08:17.21 | playdo | mcdull whats the output of "adb devices"? |
| 08:17.28 | playdo | no phone present? |
| 08:17.36 | mcdull | List empty |
| 08:17.52 | mcdull | I am running under vmware, but it should be the same. |
| 08:18.32 | playdo | maybe its a problem with vmware ports? i mean the connection between vmware's emulated usb and windows usb |
| 08:18.39 | playdo | know what i mean? |
| 08:19.24 | mcdull | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.17 | playdo | yep, in theory it should do the same like normal linux |
| 08:20.34 | playdo | dont get any message under linux about plugging in the phone? |
| 08:21.37 | mcdull | I see an icon when connected in vmware.. and lsusb shows it correctly. |
| 08:22.33 | playdo | weird |
| 08:22.59 | mcdull | did you try the package from blackstone forum? |
| 08:25.07 | mcdull | Unfortunately its reported to not work on blackstone, rhod and topaz. |
| 08:25.07 | mcdull | phhusson is getting a rhodium soon so expect more <3 on your devices. |
| 08:25.24 | mcdull | got this answer from blackstone forum.. so.. wait.... |
| 08:25.44 | makkonen | is he? |
| 08:26.09 | mcdull | yes, I guess so.. been discussed days ago. |
| 08:26.26 | mcdull | I hope he can get a blac100 tho. |
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| 08:27.38 | ReeferMattness | Yes he is makk |
| 08:27.59 | makkonen | based on the goodwill of the community, or just on his own? |
| 08:28.10 | playdo | mcdull: i saw that answer in the thread. but francly someone reported 3d working on his blackstoine |
| 08:28.58 | playdo | got someone of u developers a blackstone? |
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| 08:30.50 | mcdull | makkonen, I don't have any detail. Just that most of the ppl are expecting something new from it. |
| 08:31.32 | mcdull | it could be some old kernel. And some of the reports may actually software rendering. |
| 08:32.08 | MrPippy | has anyone tried blackstone or rhodium 3d on donut? |
| 08:32.08 | mcdull | and it is definitely works on donut. |
| 08:32.51 | mcdull | at least for some extends. |
| 08:32.51 | makkonen | what's a good 3d app to initialize the hardware? |
| 08:32.51 | mcdull | in winmo? touchflo. |
| 08:33.10 | MrPippy | i think donut hw3d is more forgiving about gpu ram areas than eclair, since donut worked ok even though gpu0 and ramconsole were overlapping, but i had to make gpu0 smaller before eclair was happy |
| 08:33.10 | playdo | or hologram |
| 08:33.11 | makkonen | I hate turning on touchflo. makes the one part I always have to deal with (startup) even slower. |
| 08:33.14 | mcdull | ok.. I have a useless wm6.5 and can't boot up android now... what a phone I have. |
| 08:33.43 | playdo | throw it away mcdull :D |
| 08:33.47 | mcdull | makkonen, touchflo is the best choice for now, at least you can start android right away.... |
| 08:33.47 | ReeferMattness | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.11 | mcdull | playdo, I nearly done that when I have activesync issue.. and willing to get myself a nexus one. |
| 08:34.42 | adamw | makkonen: mcdull: phh seemed to think touchflo3d may not be enough |
| 08:34.49 | adamw | we were using some other app earlier |
| 08:34.52 | adamw | lemme get the link again |
| 08:34.52 | playdo | active sync issue? never heard of that ^^ i love my hd |
| 08:35.12 | mcdull | playdo, seems we got a different hd. |
| 08:35.16 | makkonen | diamond hologram sounds good to me. let's see how this works. |
| 08:35.20 | mcdull | may be the stock rom would solve my problem. |
| 08:35.27 | adamw | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425216 |
| 08:35.43 | mcdull | ok.. I will try .. oh .. big problem.. could it be the ati driver? |
| 08:35.48 | adamw | on a rhodium i needed to follow the instructions for the touch hd before that app actually worked |
| 08:35.52 | adamw | yeah could be |
| 08:35.53 | mcdull | anyone uses neo 3d driver? |
| 08:36.03 | playdo | mcdull: did u try duttys rom? i dont know, hd suits me will |
| 08:36.31 | mcdull | I actually tied most of the famous rom.. all have the same problem. so I guess something behind broken. |
| 08:36.47 | playdo | adamw: got a weird thing with that app. installed 3d drivers and copied .dll but when the app is running, which is fine, i cant start touchflo |
| 08:36.51 | mcdull | I now install neodriver pack and test again |
| 08:37.28 | mcdull | reboot reboot reboot and reboot. |
| 08:37.30 | adamw | playdo: huh. well, i always launched that app after touchflo |
| 08:37.33 | adamw | so i dunno if that happens here |
| 08:37.45 | mcdull | how many times you guys need to reboot your phone per day? |
| 08:37.51 | mcdull | for me.. around 30. |
| 08:38.11 | adamw | depends on the day heh |
| 08:38.21 | adamw | if i just ran winmo all the time it would probably be 1 |
| 08:38.23 | playdo | adamw: yeah, i work with sense (touchflo) but when this app is running and i minimize it, sense is gone and just displays "3d sense is starting" or so |
| 08:38.23 | adamw | on average |
| 08:38.35 | adamw | playdo: huh. don't think that happened here |
| 08:38.49 | playdo | mcdull: WHAT??? dammit i really think u got another hd |
| 08:39.25 | playdo | adamw: weird, i think the 3d driver of the hologram does mess up something with touchflo |
| 08:40.26 | makkonen | ok, and how do I test hw3d in android? neocore? |
| 08:40.30 | mcdull | playdo, I mean I reboot with intention or testing something else... like today.. I have restarted 6 times in 30 minutes already. |
| 08:40.42 | adamw | makkonen: yeah, although i think if you see the bootsplash that means it's working |
| 08:40.45 | mcdull | yea.. neocore is probably the best |
| 08:41.03 | mcdull | bootsplash could be software if you use old build. |
| 08:41.12 | makkonen | seeing the bootsplash... seems slow as molasses... worse than when it was software. |
| 08:41.24 | adamw | yeah that's normal apparently |
| 08:41.25 | playdo | makkonen: neocore or try labyrinth lite in 3d mode |
| 08:41.26 | makkonen | (didn't see it on last boot, hadn't started hologram first.) |
| 08:41.29 | adamw | 3d apps should run okay once it's booted |
| 08:41.35 | makkonen | cool. |
| 08:41.40 | makkonen | sounds like it's working, then. |
| 08:41.49 | adamw | doesn't work on rhodium yet, sigh |
| 08:41.50 | playdo | makkonen: bootscreen is slow as hell because high cpu load |
| 08:41.53 | adamw | we always get the shaft :P |
| 08:42.12 | playdo | adamw: doesnt work on blackstone too :( |
| 08:42.17 | adamw | not that i have any particular pressing need to do 3d...anything |
| 08:42.24 | mcdull | I didn't have hologram.. and I started another d3ddemo, seems make no difference. |
| 08:42.38 | playdo | mcdull: ah ok, thought u have to reboot 30times for ur phone to work ^ |
| 08:43.10 | mcdull | playdo, sometimes yes.. with activesync issue. Every time it loads it eats all cpu .... |
| 08:43.20 | makkonen | adamw: yeah. I don't really care about 3d at all. the idea of hardware acceleration was only appealing when I thought it would make the screen refresh faster. |
| 08:43.29 | mcdull | and the screen of activesync client corrupts. |
| 08:43.44 | playdo | mcdull: ok now i know what active sync issue is. but i never had that on my phone i think |
| 08:44.04 | mcdull | makkonen, seems to me that the laucher 2 of nexus one is fast becoz it utilize 3d.. |
| 08:44.07 | adamw | makkonen: i don't really know how android display works, but isn't there still theoretically some 2d acceleration the chip could be doing that we're not using? |
| 08:44.14 | playdo | makkonen: hardware 3d is just funny if u play games which use is |
| 08:44.53 | mcdull | playdo, no.. my view is that the launcher speed is very important.. |
| 08:44.56 | adamw | makkonen: pure graphics operations sure seem a lot smoother on a hero, which afaik has about the same hardware we do... |
| 08:45.16 | mcdull | adamw, the resolution differ a lot . |
| 08:45.20 | adamw | true. |
| 08:45.25 | playdo | mcdull: what launcher? you mean booting? |
| 08:45.26 | makkonen | I thought there was some 2d acceleration that we weren't using... probably something comparable to using the vesa drivers for a display instead of the native ones -- all the clever things to make updating go quick and easy... just aren't done. |
| 08:45.40 | adamw | makkonen: yeah, i thought someone said we were basically just using framebuffer atm |
| 08:45.41 | mcdull | with 800x480 it is very hard to be smooth with pure 2d. |
| 08:45.51 | ReeferMattness | adam, thats what im thinking too, if we are not using the correct hardware drivers then we are probably missing our full hardware potential. |
| 08:45.57 | mcdull | that;s the bad idea from htc.. |
| 08:46.09 | mcdull | and they don't want to pay for the license. |
| 08:46.16 | ReeferMattness | would be like using generic windows drivers instead of downloading factory drivers for pc hardware. |
| 08:46.19 | mcdull | ok.. confirmed my blackstone not starting. |
| 08:47.03 | mcdull | I remembered that phh made starting 3d as an option, anyone has more information? |
| 08:47.41 | playdo | just go back to kernel 04.02. |
| 08:48.01 | adamw | hum? it's a *compile time* option whether you get eclair or donut 3D support, i don't know if it's anything more than that |
| 08:48.14 | MrPippy | hero doesn't have any 2d accel either, its all cpu. difference is that we are running off sd card (which is cpu heavy) and have bigger screens |
| 08:48.16 | makkonen | yeah, looks like a compile option, not a boot option. |
| 08:48.32 | MrPippy | also, hero is running 1.6 which is pretty smooth on our phones |
| 08:48.40 | makkonen | mm. good point. |
| 08:49.08 | makkonen | installed to nand on the vogue, and suddenly screen transitions are smooth and sharp. taking sd out of the equation does help. |
| 08:49.19 | mcdull | playdo, the launcher is like the touchflo.. and replacing the default ui. |
| 08:49.41 | adamw | MrPippy: ah, ok. |
| 08:49.44 | playdo | so someone tried running it from phone memory? |
| 08:49.59 | playdo | mcdull: dont know the new launcher |
| 08:50.42 | makkonen | 18.8fps in neocore. ...do I win? |
| 08:50.53 | mcdull | as I remembered, someone mentioned that they can start the android in nand.. but I am not very sure.. (not vogue) |
| 08:51.03 | mcdull | yes.. you kicked ass. |
| 08:51.16 | playdo | seems like u've won ^^ |
| 08:51.20 | mcdull | with software, it should be 1 fps. |
| 08:51.32 | playdo | whats nand? |
| 08:51.35 | mcdull | and 18.8 in 800x480 res is pretty amazing. |
| 08:51.43 | mcdull | internal flash memory |
| 08:52.12 | playdo | i tried that too and it worked |
| 08:52.17 | MrPippy | damn 18.8? i've never seen higher than 17.1 |
| 08:52.19 | playdo | but thats some time ago |
| 08:52.26 | makkonen | I didn't think anyone had actually gotten booting from nand working. someone (michyprima?) had been playing with it, I think, but they never actually got it booting. |
| 08:52.37 | mcdull | so backstone is the unlucky one, ahh.. |
| 08:53.09 | adamw | playdo: not 'internal storage' on a diamond, the actual internal memory where winmo lives. like flashing a winmo, basically. |
| 08:53.16 | MrPippy | makkonen: did you flash eclair or donut to your vogue? |
| 08:53.40 | makkonen | mrpippy: wooo, 18.8 is the winner! |
| 08:53.42 | playdo | adamw makkonen: ah sorry, i misunderstood u with internal memory |
| 08:53.48 | adamw | hands makkonen a trophy |
| 08:53.55 | makkonen | donut. Myn's package. |
| 08:54.26 | playdo | just wait for blackstone to get 3d makkonen and u will lose :P |
| 08:54.27 | makkonen | it's snappy. and quite pretty. aside from the font, and the fact that it's a 320x240 screen. |
| 08:54.52 | MrPippy | i really want to see what donut from nand would be like on our phones |
| 08:54.55 | MrPippy | my guess: amazing |
| 08:55.15 | mcdull | that's why donut is alot faster. |
| 08:55.18 | makkonen | playdo: I'm more than ok with that. and not just because I don't care about 3d at all. :-) |
| 08:55.46 | playdo | would there be a bit more speed by starting from internal memory? (not nand) |
| 08:56.05 | makkonen | we're having a terminology problem. internal memory is nand. |
| 08:57.01 | mcdull | in blac100, internal memory is nand |
| 08:57.11 | mcdull | in diamond ... no idea... |
| 08:57.28 | mcdull | ~.~ .. reboot again.. |
| 08:58.05 | makkonen | 'internal storage' on diamond is basically an sd card soldered in place. but internal memory is nand. |
| 08:58.07 | playdo | makkonen can u explain a bit? so when i put my android on internal memory (blackstone) its placed like windows? |
| 08:58.16 | playdo | ah ok thx |
| 08:58.34 | playdo | i think i give it a try with booting from nand |
| 08:58.49 | adamw | playdo: note: difference between 'internal storage' and 'internal memory' |
| 08:59.25 | makkonen | you can't. you can stick haret and initrd and zimage on the nand, but that doesn't matter because those are loaded into memory on boot anyway. |
| 08:59.43 | playdo | adamw: whats the difference? |
| 08:59.45 | mcdull | playdo, blackstone has NO internal memory... it is external |
| 08:59.46 | makkonen | it's the fact that system.sqsh and data.img are on the sd card that's a problem. |
| 08:59.50 | adamw | playdo: that's what makkonen just explained. |
| 09:00.16 | adamw | playdo: 'internal storage' on a diamond is basically just an sd card trapped inside the phone that CAN'T ESCAPE. it functions exactly like the sd card in any other model. |
| 09:00.30 | playdo | then i dont understand at all Oo |
| 09:00.36 | adamw | 'internal memory' is a small amount of extremely fast memory where windows mobile lives |
| 09:00.41 | playdo | right |
| 09:00.42 | playdo | but i have blackstone |
| 09:00.45 | adamw | you don't have any kind of direct access to it, writing to it is tricky |
| 09:01.00 | playdo | so internal storage should be the same place like window |
| 09:01.00 | playdo | s |
| 09:01.02 | adamw | it's not a question of 'giving it a try', there is no method currently for just sticking android in our nand |
| 09:01.36 | mcdull | I think we shouldn't use the term internal memory and internal storage. Should be nand instead. |
| 09:01.57 | adamw | mcdull: well you have to say 'internal storage' to refer to the diamond's. but yeah, we should call the nand the nand, makes it clearer. |
| 09:02.01 | playdo | but where is it put, when i copy it to internal memory on blackstone? is that the same like diamond? just a storage which lays beside the nand? |
| 09:02.13 | makkonen | 'stick it in our nand' sounds vaguely dirty. |
| 09:02.21 | playdo | xD |
| 09:02.22 | adamw | that's the way I like it! |
| 09:02.23 | ReeferMattness | lol |
| 09:03.06 | playdo | adamw: so the blackstone has the same "architecture" like diamond with nand and internal storage. but not as big? |
| 09:03.32 | adamw | i dunno. i didn't think it did. |
| 09:03.43 | MrPippy | blackstone has a sd card slot, diamond does not |
| 09:03.46 | mcdull | no........ blac100 is the same as diamond but the sd card in diamond is not removable |
| 09:04.01 | adamw | so i'm not quite sure what 'internal memory' you're talking about. it's definitely not your nand, though. |
| 09:04.03 | playdo | aaaaaahhhhhhh |
| 09:04.50 | playdo | adamw: i'm talking about my rom i think. where programs are getting installed to |
| 09:05.17 | playdo | there is enough space for android |
| 09:05.22 | MrPippy | hmm, g1/dream guys are getting real excited about running at 550 MHz |
| 09:05.51 | makkonen | ...is it really much better than 528? |
| 09:06.08 | playdo | will there be some improvement when i dont start android from my sd card but from the other memory thingy in my phone |
| 09:06.08 | makkonen | does it change some sort of bus speed or something? |
| 09:06.38 | adamw | oh, i hope someone sets up a blind test. |
| 09:06.42 | makkonen | (I don't understand how these phones work. the clock speeds are a total mystery to me. the jump from 528 to 550 could be really meaningful, and it wouldn't surprise me.) |
| 09:07.17 | adamw | 11's a factor of 528 and 550. |
| 09:07.34 | makkonen | playdo: you can't do it at this point, so... no. If you could do it, then yes. |
| 09:07.53 | MrPippy | hehe this seems a little overboard to me "Prepare for stable 550mhz ROMs across the board! |
| 09:07.53 | MrPippy | Just bringing this to the forefront, as it doesn't seem to be getting much attention - but it has to be as significant as the 10mb ram hack. This ROM is blazing fast in my opinion..." |
| 09:08.22 | adamw | just sounds like another typical 'everything is faster than everything else' to me |
| 09:08.40 | playdo | makkonen: then i will try ^^ |
| 09:09.02 | MrPippy | now, the 10 mb ram hack is a big deal, they went from 97 to 107 MB by reducing gpu pmem |
| 09:09.40 | MrPippy | i can't believe they're happy with eclair at 107 MB |
| 09:10.31 | adamw | night guys |
| 09:10.38 | adamw | (and non-guys) |
| 09:11.31 | playdo | copying android to phone... |
| 09:14.12 | playdo | trying android from internal storage now. brb |
| 09:14.14 | adamw | makkonen: i don't see what kind of bus speed it could increase that *would* be meaningful, tbh. i mean, there's no graphics bus, is there? it's single-chip. you guys already figured the sdio bus speed is separately settable right? and adjusting it didn't help anything. i dunno if there's some kind of equivalent to a 'bus speed' for the ram, i guess. |
| 09:14.48 | MrPippy | adjusting one clock has an effect on all the clocks derived from it, i'm not sure what draws from the 528 though |
| 09:15.02 | adamw | right, i'm just trying to see what other clocks there are that mean anything anyway |
| 09:15.04 | MrPippy | no2chem has a blog post explaining some of it on his site |
| 09:15.16 | makkonen | no, I don't think so either... but I was trying to figure out why on earth a jump of 4% on clock speed could possibly matter. |
| 09:16.32 | makkonen | yeah, no2chem's writeup was really interesting, and is pretty much why I said a few pages back that I have no idea of how the clocks work on these things. 528 -> 550 seems like nothing... but there's about 5 other clocks that might be benefitting in some way I don't know about. |
| 09:16.53 | MrPippy | i assume just because the g1 is so underpowered and under-RAMmed for eclair, any extra cpu means that the constant GC finishes 4% faster ;-) |
| 09:17.18 | adamw | i think it's probably just noise, like i said, everyone thinks every shiny new thing is faster at first |
| 09:17.26 | makkonen | that'd be my guess, too. |
| 09:17.57 | makkonen | 'new build is way faster, thanks.' ....I just fixed a path in the rootfs. |
| 09:18.02 | adamw | yeah :) |
| 09:18.09 | adamw | anyway, i'm off to bed for reals |
| 09:18.11 | adamw | night |
| 09:18.27 | makkonen | 'night |
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| 09:23.39 | playdo | isnt it possible to tell haret to look for android data in its folder? |
| 09:24.50 | makkonen | no |
| 09:25.38 | playdo | why? |
| 09:25.53 | makkonen | because haret isn't loading the android data. |
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| 09:26.21 | makkonen | haret is loading the zimage and initrd |
| 09:26.29 | makkonen | then haret is gone. |
| 09:26.38 | playdo | and then they look for sd/movinand? |
| 09:26.56 | makkonen | and the zImage doesn't know how to read off of the nand. |
| 09:27.13 | playdo | but off the internal sd thing in diam |
| 09:27.18 | playdo | alright |
| 09:27.20 | makkonen | yeah |
| 09:27.50 | playdo | but arent there some flashable android versions? |
| 09:27.57 | playdo | dont know for which phone |
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| 09:28.04 | mcdull | the kernel is different. |
| 09:28.18 | makkonen | it can be modified to be able to. It can be done. it just hasn't been done. |
| 09:28.29 | makkonen | the vogue has flashable android. |
| 09:28.34 | makkonen | kaiser and polaris, too. |
| 09:28.47 | playdo | ok, so like i said. i just sit and wait for flashable version xD |
| 09:29.10 | makkonen | yeah. Me too. :-) |
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| 09:29.39 | playdo | why we dont just buy an nexus one? :D |
| 09:29.58 | makkonen | of course, it's still way too early to even think about that. tons of things would have to be added to initialize hardware correctly... |
| 09:30.10 | makkonen | in my case: because I can't use it on my carrier/plan. |
| 09:30.38 | playdo | impossible to use? why? cant it be cracked or so? |
| 09:30.46 | playdo | like iphone on germany |
| 09:30.49 | playdo | in |
| 09:31.04 | makkonen | no cdma version yet. |
| 09:31.42 | playdo | hmm dont know cdma |
| 09:32.13 | makkonen | competitor to gsm. |
| 09:32.25 | makkonen | not very popular |
| 09:33.01 | playdo | alright, dont think theres something like that in germany |
| 09:33.10 | makkonen | probably not. |
| 09:35.22 | mcdull | I like cdma better... |
| 09:35.36 | mcdull | but I have no choice here in Hong Kong |
| 09:35.37 | makkonen | me too. |
| 09:35.40 | playdo | ??? whats the difference? |
| 09:36.00 | mcdull | when you are in big events, you can't even send sms with GSM. |
| 09:36.15 | playdo | so more capacity or what? |
| 09:36.16 | mcdull | but cdma will just lower the quality. |
| 09:36.36 | mcdull | they are completely different technology |
| 09:36.47 | mcdull | and cdma has much higher range. |
| 09:37.28 | playdo | got no idea, never seen it before i think |
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| 09:39.26 | playdo | i gotta go somewhere. watching cars getting build :D cya l8r |
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| 09:44.35 | mcdull | may be a got a bad hd.. or the chinese extension corrupt the activesync service. |
| 09:44.55 | mcdull | got no idea of how to fix.. 99% cpu on activesync, not even with an account set up. |
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| 10:18.35 | playdo | seen some nice ford focus rs :D |
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| 11:31.59 | captnoord | ~raph |
| 11:32.08 | captnoord | ~ramconsole |
| 11:32.09 | apt | ramconsole is, like, pwf dm 0x8e0000 0x20000 |
| 11:32.18 | captnoord | thanks |
| 11:32.32 | captnoord | hehe |
| 11:36.28 | captnoord | phh_: crash... is the reason for the flood..... |
| 11:36.44 | captnoord | 1.793670] WARNING: at kernel/irq/manage.c:262 set_irq_wake+0x8c/0x110() |
| 11:36.44 | captnoord | [ 1.793701] Unbalanced IRQ 158 wake disable |
| 11:36.44 | captnoord | [ 1.793762] Modules linked in: |
| 11:36.44 | captnoord | [ 1.793792] [<c023cc94>] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [<c00557ec>] (warn_slowpath+0x64/0x80) |
| 11:36.44 | captnoord | [ 1.793914] [<c0055788>] (warn_slowpath+0x0/0x80) from [<c00800dc>] (set_irq_wake+0x8c/0x110) |
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| 11:41.50 | captnoord | phh the RAPH300 has a diff microp-klt id |
| 11:41.50 | captnoord | [ 2.790985] microp-klt: Registering MicroP-LED driver |
| 11:41.50 | captnoord | [ 2.803527] microp-klt: Initializing MicroP-LED chip driver at addr: 0x66 |
| 11:41.50 | captnoord | [ 2.829681] microp-klt: This hardware is not yet supported: 0d0a |
| 11:41.51 | captnoord | [ 2.854614] microp-klt: probe of 0-0066 failed with error -524 |
| 11:42.32 | captnoord | thats the reason for the flooooddddiiing |
| 11:46.47 | captnoord | who's awake who does kernel building |
| 11:46.52 | captnoord | who has a bit of time for me? |
| 11:56.34 | slight | i think everyone's asleep |
| 11:56.59 | captnoord | k |
| 11:57.10 | captnoord | nah phh is working |
| 11:57.24 | slight | yeah sorry i meant asleep as far as the channel is concerned :) |
| 11:57.30 | captnoord | hehe |
| 11:58.46 | slight | any idea how i could boot eclair off internal storage on a raph like they do on diamond? |
| 11:59.03 | captnoord | yup |
| 11:59.12 | captnoord | take a look at the diamond startup.txt |
| 11:59.54 | captnoord | lol |
| 12:00.00 | captnoord | hmm that was how I remembered it |
| 12:00.02 | captnoord | okey |
| 12:00.04 | captnoord | its not... |
| 12:00.27 | captnoord | have you tried putting all the files in the root of the storage? |
| 12:00.50 | slight | no, but i was about to |
| 12:00.53 | slight | :) |
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| 12:04.11 | slight | left-over curry for breakfast ftw :p |
| 12:06.12 | playdo | hf |
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| 12:22.05 | slight | hmm no it's looking for system.sqsh on sdcard |
| 12:22.16 | slight | i'm guessing the paths are hardcoded based on device type :/ |
| 12:22.50 | slight | has anyone tried to get maemo working on htc devices? |
| 12:22.59 | playdo | hey mcdull, had some success with android? |
| 12:23.12 | mcdull | not yet.. just return from office. |
| 12:23.25 | playdo | kk |
| 12:23.45 | playdo | slight is there even a meamo build for our phones? |
| 12:23.53 | slight | that's what i was wondering |
| 12:24.33 | slight | but it's mostly linux+other oss, so it ought to be possible |
| 12:24.55 | slight | i believe nokia ship some closed source bits on it too, i don't know if there are oss alternatives |
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| 12:26.36 | playdo | dunno |
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| 12:36.04 | playdo | maemo looks real nice too |
| 12:47.46 | playdo | mcdull whats the difference between manila 2.1 and 2.5 in the topix rom? |
| 12:52.06 | mcdull | the manila version different.. so you get shortcut under the clock in |
| 12:52.09 | mcdull | in |
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| 12:52.14 | mcdull | in 2.5 |
| 12:53.01 | playdo | something else? tab icons are colored i think. |
| 12:53.14 | mcdull | more tabs in 2.5 like twitter. |
| 12:53.15 | playdo | i just ask because im not sure which version i should use |
| 12:53.25 | mcdull | you should be using 2.5 |
| 12:53.30 | mcdull | but I prefer 2.1. |
| 12:53.42 | mcdull | 2.5 have full screen weather effect |
| 12:55.12 | mcdull | most of them are fancy only. |
| 12:55.52 | playdo | yeah i use 2.5 atm but i'm, not sure which one to flash with topix rom |
| 12:56.06 | playdo | is there a huge difference in speed? |
| 13:01.08 | mcdull | 2.1 for speed for sure. |
| 13:01.27 | mcdull | 2.5 is intended for snapdragon. |
| 13:01.28 | playdo | hmm gotta see the dir |
| 13:01.28 | playdo | difference |
| 13:01.36 | playdo | thats true |
| 13:01.51 | playdo | ah, i think 2.5 has the different music tab |
| 13:01.51 | mcdull | I am now booting old build of android |
| 13:02.02 | mcdull | could be, but I never use it. |
| 13:02.39 | playdo | its nice for music |
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| 13:13.44 | playdo | mcdull did u boot successfully? |
| 13:14.11 | mcdull | I am booting the glossy theme |
| 13:14.54 | slight | any suggestions how to get winmo to recognise a fat32 partition on an sdcard partitioned with one fat32 and one ext3 partition? |
| 13:15.59 | mcdull | fat32 has to be put at first |
| 13:16.41 | slight | ah k, thanks |
| 13:16.56 | slight | typical windows :p |
| 13:17.07 | slight | "what do you mean other filesystems?" |
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| 13:24.15 | IceBone | Oh great, rolling xdandroid back to 02.04. hasn't removed the all apps run at startup "feature". |
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| 13:30.27 | mcdull | boot fine.. but 3d not working yet. |
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| 13:34.51 | mcdull | interesting |
| 13:35.22 | mcdull | 3d partially works in 2.0.1 |
| 13:37.34 | playdo | mcdull what do u mean by partially? |
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| 13:38.08 | mcdull | after chmod 666 msm_hw* |
| 13:38.23 | mcdull | 3d light racer ran okay |
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| 13:38.29 | playdo | and system_server restart? |
| 13:38.33 | mcdull | but the screen is not correctly displayed. |
| 13:38.41 | mcdull | no need system_server restart |
| 13:38.42 | playdo | what happens when u do the system_server restart |
| 13:38.49 | mcdull | I can't do it. |
| 13:38.50 | playdo | try neocore |
| 13:38.59 | playdo | why?? |
| 13:39.27 | mcdull | neocore won't start in my case. it freeze. |
| 13:39.44 | playdo | hmm so 3d isnt working correctly |
| 13:39.45 | mcdull | but 3d light racer is certainly hardware 3d. |
| 13:39.56 | playdo | did u try labyrinth light 3d? |
| 13:40.02 | mcdull | before that it was like 1-2 fps. |
| 13:40.20 | playdo | ah k |
| 13:40.27 | mcdull | where I can attach a screenshot? |
| 13:40.28 | playdo | ; Western_Europe_840_2563 |
| 13:40.29 | playdo | 89 C5 09 F7 73 67 A4 DC AA 7D E4 12 9E 80 BE 2B Western_Europe-110.meta |
| 13:40.29 | playdo | tell that phh, maybe its rom-depending |
| 13:40.39 | playdo | wtf Oo |
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| 13:40.53 | playdo | in irc? no screenshot possible |
| 13:40.54 | playdo | try uploadig |
| 13:41.09 | playdo | to imageshack or so |
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| 13:44.25 | mcdull | http://android.selfip.info:9999/Android/screen/3d01.jpg |
| 13:44.28 | mcdull | check it out. |
| 13:44.58 | mcdull | like the sync problem of old age crt. |
| 13:46.56 | playdo | :D crazy look |
| 13:47.37 | playdo | did android now start without problem mcdull? |
| 13:48.18 | mcdull | if the 3d hardware being access, it freeze. so it is NOT. |
| 13:48.34 | mcdull | unless the msm_3dhw* was being protected from access. |
| 13:48.43 | mcdull | old build was protected.. |
| 13:49.02 | mcdull | so old builds should work just fine. |
| 13:50.20 | mcdull | and playdo, you really should try the glossy build from blackstone forum. |
| 13:50.30 | mcdull | amazing build. |
| 13:51.40 | playdo | glossy build? whats the difference mcdull? can u give me a link? |
| 13:53.18 | mcdull | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624808 |
| 13:55.53 | IceBone | babijoee2! |
| 13:55.59 | IceBone | What's up with all the apps running on boot up? :S |
| 13:56.45 | playdo | ah alright mcdull. seen that build but wasnt interested |
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| 13:57.20 | mcdull | but that one is smooth.. it has swap file created for it. |
| 13:57.24 | mcdull | the rootfs is good. |
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| 14:02.14 | IceBone | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-8PBx7isoM |
| 14:02.15 | IceBone | woah |
| 14:06.18 | babijoee | hmmm it says wifi fixed? |
| 14:06.35 | babijoee | anyone to confirm that>? |
| 14:09.11 | mcdull | it depends.. I guess it is all the same |
| 14:09.22 | mcdull | wifi off will freeze "sometimes" |
| 14:09.28 | paul_mobile | yes, wifi works as before |
| 14:09.49 | babijoee | okay |
| 14:09.57 | mcdull | since his build with no calibration, so it won't start correctly. need to replace the calibration. |
| 14:09.59 | paul_mobile | I've read in the logs that calibration file is not needed anymore? |
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| 14:10.36 | mcdull | I cannot start wifi anyway, |
| 14:12.02 | mcdull | babijoee, it is worths to look at his rootfs, it support swap and partition. |
| 14:13.12 | IceBone | http://www.cad-comic.com/comics/cad/20100208.jpg |
| 14:15.35 | Paul_Ishenin | is there a way to reduce battery usage? it always hot with android |
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| 14:15.53 | mcdull | shut off wifi all the time. |
| 14:16.02 | IceBone | Unless you're, you know, using it. |
| 14:16.14 | playdo | mine wasnt hot. it was just the connection module that was hot |
| 14:16.27 | mcdull | and sd card slot ... very hot |
| 14:16.41 | IceBone | Right now my phone's cold. |
| 14:16.43 | IceBone | Which is nice. |
| 14:16.45 | Paul_Ishenin | well, I am not sure indeed what part is hot |
| 14:16.49 | Paul_Ishenin | I thought battery |
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| 14:17.16 | Paul_Ishenin | at moment mine is cold too but it runs wince now |
| 14:17.33 | IceBone | Running android 02.04., not charging, no wifi. |
| 14:18.28 | mcdull | playdo, shit.. my phone not waken again. |
| 14:19.43 | playdo | i'm shutting down now. going home and testing some more. cu l8r mcdull, hopefully finding something against freezing ;) |
| 14:19.54 | mcdull | thx.. cu |
| 14:28.29 | mcdull | http://pastebin.com/m5d44f350 <-- my blackstone refuse to wake.. this is the dmesg |
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| 14:29.27 | leobaillard | hi there ! |
| 14:33.52 | slight | hey :) |
| 14:35.20 | slight | soooo... i have mer booting off an ext3 partition on my sdcard. if i wanted to do the same with android then i presume i'd need to unpack rootfs.img onto that partition, but what about system.sqsh and data.img? would they need to be unpacked into sub-directories somewhere? |
| 14:37.51 | slight | unfortunately the enter key doesn't work in the mer terminal and the touch screen will only move the pointer along a single diagonal line, so it's pretty much impossible to configure mer |
| 14:38.44 | slight | hmm ctrl-o is enter... ok! |
| 14:42.53 | mcdull | partition 1 -> fat32 (haret / rootfs.img, others) ||||| partition 2 -> ext2 (system.sqsh) ||||| partition 3 -> ext2 (data.img) |
| 14:56.59 | slight | you're a star |
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| 14:58.33 | Paul_Ishenin | hmm. calibration file is not needed indeed. wifi works pretty well without it. this was not so before |
| 14:59.38 | Paul_Ishenin | although with most of application working from the start android works rather slow. but killing all application helps much |
| 15:01.28 | slight | sorry mcdull, one more thing. i have root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 to specify the root partition, i presume i need something to tell it where data.img is too? |
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| 15:04.24 | slight | ah |
| 15:04.32 | slight | looks like it may detect automatically, ok |
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| 16:15.01 | slight | hmm.. been sat on the nexus loading animation for about 15 minutes :p |
| 16:15.09 | slight | suspect something might be up ;) |
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| 17:20.01 | slight | can anyone tell me what this is for in the eclair root.img init : http://pastebin.com/m5c135fc1 |
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| 17:24.18 | chamonix | detecting loading multiple sorts of system partitions |
| 17:24.37 | chamonix | with xdandroid system.sqsh applies |
| 17:25.22 | slight | i have my sdcard in 3 partitions, fat32/ext2/ext2, and that check seems to disable partitions if one of those files aren't found, as it's just after where it looks for the actual 'physical' partitions |
| 17:26.02 | slight | so i unpacked system.sqsh into sdb2 (while mounted on desktop of course), data.img into sdb3 |
| 17:26.41 | slight | but that check looks like it will ignore my partitions if one of those 3 listed files aren't found? |
| 17:27.40 | chamonix | y did u unpack system.sqsh? it's supposed to stay packed as the _file_ is been looked for ("-f" = found) |
| 17:28.06 | slight | because i wanted to run android of a normal filesystem rather than a squashfs |
| 17:28.17 | chamonix | so basically that test days: if no system.whatever was faound there's something messed up |
| 17:28.35 | chamonix | s/days/says |
| 17:29.12 | chamonix | if u want to get rid of system.sqsh - I don't get y - then you must change the detection/mounting logic |
| 17:30.00 | chamonix | I've never tried multipartitions on SD so I don't if there r any limitiation u didn't meet yet that may give you problems |
| 17:30.13 | slight | the mounting logic seems to support mounting the contents of data.img on mmcblk0p3 (/data) and system.sqsh on root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 (/system) |
| 17:30.54 | slight | as it has these lines: "mount -t ext2 -o noatime,nodiratime /dev/block/mmcblk0p3 /data" and "mount -t ext2 -o ro,noatime,nodiratime /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /system" |
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| 17:31.15 | slight | if $PARTITIONED == 2 |
| 17:31.58 | slight | oops, "on root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" should have read "on mmcblk0p2" |
| 17:33.48 | slight | maybe someone started adding support but it's not ready |
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| 17:50.23 | bzo | slight, the init originated from the vogue android builds. The UI to access the different installation types was removed, but it still works. If you look back in the logs a few days, you will find some instructions. |
| 17:51.14 | slight | ok thanks |
| 17:51.40 | slight | i think i've found one of my problems anyway, i had the data.img and system.sqsh contents on the wrong partitions ;/ |
| 17:52.32 | slight | i've commented out the file check that was disabling the partitions for now as it seems redundant |
| 17:53.10 | bzo | it is also very picky about how partitions are setup. The only foolproof was I have found is to use gparted |
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| 17:53.46 | bzo | the check is there so that you can use a system.sqsh, even if you have an ext2 system setup |
| 17:54.19 | slight | k |
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| 17:55.33 | slight | it's just that if those loopback filesystem files aren't found it sets $PARTITIONS to 0, so it won't use the real partitions. it looks like it was added after the code for the normal partitions missing out that it will always override what immediately precedes it. |
| 17:55.53 | slight | however i'm very new to all this so probably have completely the wrong end of the stick ;) |
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| 17:57.19 | bzo | yes, the UI used to have an option to copy the sqsh to ext2 for you. It would the move system.sqsh to backup/installedsystem.sqsh and boot to ext2. |
| 17:57.31 | slight | ah i see |
| 17:57.35 | bzo | so when you upgraded, you could just copy system.sqsh again and boot from it |
| 17:57.37 | slight | ok sorry i'll shut up then :p |
| 17:57.48 | bzo | then decide whether you wanted to copy the new system over to ext2 |
| 17:57.54 | slight | yeah that's neat |
| 17:58.10 | phh | [13:23:00] <slight> has anyone tried to get maemo working on htc devices? <----- mer just works :p |
| 17:58.21 | slight | yeah i just tried it :D |
| 17:58.30 | bzo | the vogue has advanced to even a more advanced startup menu. I'm hoping to get it working for xdandroid one of these days |
| 17:58.42 | phh | [14:38:18] <mcdull> after chmod 666 msm_hw <------ ?!?!? |
| 17:58.47 | slight | though enter wasn't working in shell and mouse calib was all over the place. but both probably just a boot option away :) |
| 17:58.51 | phh | this is already done now by userland |
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| 18:03.16 | chamonix | hey phh |
| 18:03.26 | phh | hi chamonix |
| 18:05.31 | slight | phh, any idea if 3d and 3g work on mer? i would have checked myself but couldn't get the touch screen or enter key to work right so i couldn't poke around on shell |
| 18:05.45 | phh | 3G easy, 3D almost impossible. |
| 18:06.02 | slight | shame |
| 18:06.35 | slight | no 3d X driver for msm* i take it :p |
| 18:09.04 | Markinus | phh: Hi, I make new donut build with tiwlan. But I'Ve the problem every time if I enable wlan the device ist crashing. Did you have a Idea what this could be? |
| 18:11.13 | slight | darnit |
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| 18:11.39 | slight | so close... i have nexus anium looping away loading off my partitions but it just sits there looping forever :( |
| 18:11.54 | slight | *anim |
| 18:13.08 | bzo | did you look back at the logs? There are some none obvious steps such as adding chmod 777 /etc/dbus.conf to your user.eclair.conf that will fix that issue |
| 18:18.49 | chamonix | is still looking for a graphic designer |
| 18:19.24 | phh | chamonix: I think you'll be for a long time. |
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| 18:19.34 | chamonix | hmmmmm |
| 18:19.34 | phh | chamonix: ask on babijoee's thread maybe |
| 18:19.46 | chamonix | that's a good idea |
| 18:20.12 | chamonix | I need a splash screen, an icon and a few statusbar icons |
| 18:20.15 | phh | here are devs, devs aren't designers most of the time. |
| 18:22.20 | Captnoord | nope |
| 18:22.24 | Captnoord | hehe |
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| 18:29.57 | chamonix | lol, let's start discussion whether devs are artists too |
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| 18:31.22 | slight | bzo, thanks, the chmod fixed it. sorry for not looking back over the logs when you first suggested it :) |
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| 18:35.36 | bzo | glad you got it all figured out. I'm sure you could of figured out that last problem on your own too, but the hints will save you a lot of time ;) |
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| 18:37.21 | slight | no i think that one would have killed me :p |
| 18:37.58 | slight | i was tempted to chmod the whole lot 777 at one point but a lot of things don't like evil insecure perms :p |
| 18:38.47 | Captnoord | please do |
| 18:39.43 | bzo | 777 is overkill for the dbus.conf, but we seem to be too lazy to figure out the minimum perms needed |
| 18:40.02 | stinebd | 644? |
| 18:40.26 | slight | devs as artists? well i'm a web developer, and most of my work is in php. therefore i think i at least count as a piss-artist in the eyes of most devs ;) |
| 18:41.11 | leobaillard | welcome to the club slight |
| 18:41.26 | bzo | stinebd: 644 would probably work. Maybe even 640 if the group is set correctly. |
| 18:41.49 | slight | it doesn't matter how great your code is in php, you'll always be looked down on :p |
| 18:43.14 | slight | i'm quite proud of my O/RM though |
| 18:43.19 | slight | what do you do leobaillard ? |
| 18:43.32 | stinebd | there's no such thing as great code in php ;) |
| 18:43.43 | slight | yeah yeah :) |
| 18:43.51 | leobaillard | slight: what do you mean ? what languages do I practice ? |
| 18:44.12 | slight | no you said welcome to the club, so i was wondering what the club is |
| 18:47.05 | GNUtoo | hi leviathan mickeyl |
| 18:47.47 | mickeyl | hey GNUtoo ! |
| 18:47.54 | mickeyl | back home? |
| 18:48.18 | GNUtoo | btw yes |
| 18:48.21 | GNUtoo | oops |
| 18:48.22 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 18:48.37 | GNUtoo | btw I had a 50M kernel sunday night....strange |
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| 18:49.04 | emwe | hiho |
| 18:53.00 | mickeyl | heh |
| 18:53.01 | leobaillard | chamonix: could you add the clockwise led turning in the effect list ? the "rotate" you put is the anti clockwise, the one that corresponds to a missed call in winmo. I would like to use the clockwise one for sms if possible :) |
| 18:53.04 | mickeyl | that's a bit too large |
| 18:53.32 | phh | leobaillard: it doesn't exist |
| 18:53.41 | leobaillard | arf |
| 18:54.20 | chamonix | hey leobaillard |
| 18:54.40 | adamw | phh: oh, you've played with mer? how is that? |
| 18:54.47 | GNUtoo | mickeyl, doesn't even boot |
| 18:54.59 | phh | adamw: I quickly god fed up :p |
| 18:55.00 | GNUtoo | but that was because my desktop was off |
| 18:55.05 | leobaillard | hi chamonix |
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| 18:55.10 | adamw | phh: hehe :) with bits that didn't work or just with maemo? |
| 18:55.11 | slight | phh, did you try hildon? |
| 18:55.11 | GNUtoo | I should have good config+kernel on my desktop |
| 18:55.20 | phh | adamw: both |
| 18:55.21 | phh | slight: what ? |
| 18:55.22 | adamw | haha |
| 18:55.29 | slight | the maemo UI |
| 18:55.41 | slight | as opposed to lxde that's the default |
| 18:55.45 | phh | slight: well, that's what is in mer ? |
| 18:56.01 | slight | it's available as an update-alternatives option |
| 18:56.09 | slight | but lxde is default |
| 18:56.53 | slight | i don't know if mer has the os2008 (tablet style) or freemantle (smartphone style) version of hildon though |
| 18:57.04 | slight | enter wouldn't work in shell so i couldn't change to it :p |
| 18:59.14 | Captnoord | someone care to build me a kernel with some changes.... so that I don't have to bugg phh as he is bussy with other stuff |
| 19:04.24 | slight | just asked in #mer and it has the freemantle hildon ui, which is the n900 interface |
| 19:05.14 | slight | how it will run unaccelerated is another matter though |
| 19:07.34 | Captnoord | phh thanks |
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| 19:13.34 | Captnoord | cheers..... crappy console spamming is fixed :D |
| 19:18.56 | chamonix | the gtalk api sux |
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| 19:28.55 | chamonix | well, going to embed a gtalk client into ledeffects :P |
| 19:31.54 | IceBone | How about tweet client that would automatically tweet when the phone crashes and why it crashed. :P |
| 19:41.22 | chamonix | lol |
| 19:41.36 | chamonix | mine already tweets when I get home or get at work |
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| 19:44.57 | IceBone | That'd be useless for me as I work 1 floor bellow where I sleep. |
| 19:45.06 | IceBone | What about auto-fb? |
| 19:47.55 | chamonix | lol |
| 19:48.00 | chamonix | fb? |
| 19:48.09 | IceBone | nvm |
| 19:48.34 | chamonix | I'm curious |
| 19:48.39 | IceBone | facebook |
| 19:48.43 | chamonix | awwwwww |
| 19:48.49 | IceBone | how cute |
| 19:49.13 | IceBone | I don't use tweeter, it's too limiting, but facebook is tolerable. |
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| 19:49.47 | chamonix | well I don't use twitter neither, I've just a few bots like my front door cam and my phone using it |
| 19:50.13 | IceBone | You get messages from them? |
| 19:50.18 | chamonix | yes |
| 19:50.20 | IceBone | cool |
| 19:50.34 | IceBone | Or do you forget to check tweeter for 3 weeks and realise you were robbed twice. |
| 19:50.43 | chamonix | and from nagios telling me when my DVD player is down :-D |
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| 20:13.23 | slight | you have nagios for your dvd player? holy crap :p |
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| 20:20.21 | Captnoord | loooool |
| 20:20.22 | Captnoord | wtf |
| 20:20.27 | Captnoord | 274877907 is some kind of rounding trick |
| 20:20.28 | Captnoord | lolz |
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| 20:28.57 | Captnoord | FUCKING hell |
| 20:29.00 | Captnoord | got the moron |
| 20:29.01 | Captnoord | damn |
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| 20:56.34 | bzo | phh: have you seen the qualcomm gps source? http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/hardware/qcom/gps.git;a=summary |
| 21:11.52 | makkonen | is that code actually very useful? |
| 21:13.18 | makkonen | I guess it could be... but it looks like just the higher level tie-in stuff for android to talk to the lower level drivers. I imagine what we need is better source for those lower level parts. |
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| 21:14.29 | Captnoord | makkonen: idd it seems yea.... in good old htc tradition it doesn't seem to contain low level stuff... but I have to admit... maybe cr2 or phh can get valid info out of it |
| 21:15.15 | makkonen | having more information about those rpc calls can't possibly hurt. Just don't know how much it'll help. |
| 21:15.42 | Captnoord | some more to add into the maze thats called gps... |
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| 21:22.37 | MrPippy | yeah, anyone know what that library actually does? until now the gps library has been closed source, and jbq said they wanted to open-source it but any source they released would probably only be for newer chips |
| 21:25.24 | bzo | jnadke, dev of the latest vogue gps fixes found it. Iniitally, he seemed excited about it, then noticed that parts were missing and that this was for a different AMSS |
| 21:26.08 | bzo | hopefully, it has something of value to examine |
| 21:26.18 | MrPippy | its for amss 6356, maybe thats just newer chips like msm7627 and snapdragon |
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| 21:28.19 | bzo | Beyond figuring out the RPC calls, there seems to be quite a bit of work to figure out what to do with that data. |
| 21:28.43 | bzo | Fortunately, with jnadke's work and potentially this stuff, it should be a lot easier to figure out |
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| 21:31.27 | Markinus | does someone now why the device are crashing on disabling of wifi? |
| 21:31.43 | makkonen | for a while mine wasn't... but now it is again. |
| 21:32.00 | makkonen | ...well, actually, now it isn't anymore, because wifi has stopped working entirely. |
| 21:32.03 | Markinus | yes . . . with 1.6 too |
| 21:32.05 | Captnoord | I can give it a try |
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| 21:33.31 | bzo | didn't phh update the wifi modules yesterday? |
| 21:34.24 | Captnoord | RAPH300 no crash on enable / disable wifi |
| 21:34.28 | makkonen | he did something. |
| 21:34.47 | Captnoord | just impossible to get out of deep sleep |
| 21:34.47 | makkonen | removing the calibration... which was confusing to me, since I thought tiwlan didn't use the calibration. |
| 21:34.48 | Captnoord | :P |
| 21:34.49 | Markinus | Captnoord: hmmm . . |
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| 21:36.17 | Captnoord | loves his small addition... now the lcd setting stuff actualy works... I always wondered why it didn't work with my phone |
| 21:36.26 | Markinus | bzo: I there a other repo for the tiwlan as the google one? |
| 21:36.29 | Captnoord | microp-klt id wasn't supported |
| 21:36.35 | GNUtoo | ok now I understood why fastboot boot <kernel> didn't work a long time ago : 50M for kernel is too much, bootimage compresses the kernel to 2M |
| 21:36.42 | GNUtoo | *mkbootimage |
| 21:36.44 | GNUtoo | it's gzip |
| 21:37.19 | bzo | markinus: don't know? |
| 21:38.17 | Captnoord | GNUtoo: what is the max bootimage? |
| 21:39.55 | GNUtoo | 50M->2M |
| 21:40.01 | GNUtoo | that's all what I know |
| 21:40.23 | Captnoord | and if you strip it from strings and stuff it doesn't use |
| 21:40.24 | GNUtoo | I also know that the kernel is gziped but I didn't check it |
| 21:40.43 | GNUtoo | what if I *need* debug symbols? |
| 21:40.48 | Captnoord | lol |
| 21:40.49 | Captnoord | k |
| 21:40.51 | GNUtoo | can I only strip for target |
| 21:40.52 | GNUtoo | >? |
| 21:40.57 | GNUtoo | s/>// |
| 21:40.58 | Captnoord | dono |
| 21:55.48 | GNUtoo | for msmfb I've Illegal instruction at address 0x405ca0b0 => I'll look at it later but I think it's beause they added arm>v6-novfp assembly |
| 21:56.02 | GNUtoo | btw msm is novfp right? |
| 21:56.16 | Captnoord | novfp? |
| 21:56.20 | GNUtoo | s/msm/msm7201A |
| 21:56.26 | GNUtoo | yes it has no vfp |
| 21:56.30 | Captnoord | no fpu? |
| 21:56.39 | GNUtoo | yes vfp is a kind of fpu |
| 21:56.43 | GNUtoo | there are more than one kind |
| 21:56.44 | Captnoord | vector bla bla |
| 21:56.45 | Captnoord | I know |
| 21:56.53 | Captnoord | for what I know |
| 21:57.03 | GNUtoo | ok it was just to check if we didn't make an error in oe |
| 21:57.04 | Captnoord | all float stuff are done using dirtly integer hacks |
| 21:57.14 | GNUtoo | I know how it is done |
| 21:57.23 | Captnoord | can you trace what instruction it is |
| 21:57.24 | GNUtoo | it's done by glibc |
| 21:57.27 | Captnoord | what number |
| 21:57.33 | GNUtoo | yes I know |
| 21:57.34 | Captnoord | don't have to have the name |
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| 21:57.49 | GNUtoo | I'll retry to explain myself: |
| 21:58.07 | GNUtoo | *I'll look at the illegal instruction later |
| 21:58.23 | GNUtoo | *mickey asked me to check if our cpu has a vfp or not |
| 21:59.22 | Captnoord | hmmm |
| 21:59.22 | Captnoord | k |
| 22:00.18 | GNUtoo | asking is better than trying because it could fail for another reason |
| 22:00.32 | GNUtoo | if I try to run vfp stuff with a vfp kenrel |
| 22:00.49 | Captnoord | in my chip documents of the 7200 |
| 22:00.54 | Captnoord | there is no vfp stuff mentioned |
| 22:01.10 | Captnoord | float to be exact |
| 22:01.14 | Captnoord | maybe vfp |
| 22:01.32 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 22:01.39 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
| 22:01.44 | GNUtoo | I'll go to sleep now |
| 22:01.55 | Captnoord | k |
| 22:15.09 | Captnoord | phh |
| 22:15.10 | Captnoord | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5166623.pdf |
| 22:15.20 | Captnoord | how I think the batt driver should be coded like |
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| 23:06.29 | NetRipper | a patent on the way something is programmed |
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| 23:12.31 | Captnoord | 1992 |
| 23:12.33 | Captnoord | its old |
| 23:12.38 | Captnoord | still valid in a way |
| 23:12.42 | Captnoord | needs sleep |
| 23:12.44 | Captnoord | nn |
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