| 00:00.18 | gehzumteufel | JesusFreak316: Go to hell in German. Although it isn't technically correct |
| 00:00.24 | JesusFreak316 | Lol |
| 00:01.28 | JesusFreak316 | All I know of German is yelling and saying a lot of "v"s and "ach"s. I've played too many wwII games in my life. :) |
| 00:01.50 | chamonix | lol |
| 00:01.52 | gehzumteufel | haha |
| 00:01.57 | chamonix | don't say that to a german |
| 00:02.06 | gehzumteufel | Yeah seriously |
| 00:02.13 | chamonix | <-- german :P |
| 00:02.20 | chamonix | well not really but almost |
| 00:02.52 | JesusFreak316 | I kind of didn't want to say that to you, figuring you might be German, but ah, what the heck. |
| 00:02.52 | gehzumteufel | not really but almost? |
| 00:02.55 | gehzumteufel | wtf does that mean? haha |
| 00:03.34 | chamonix | I've got a german passport but grew up in france so I feel more foreigner here in germany than in france |
| 00:03.48 | gehzumteufel | Ahh |
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| 00:05.27 | gehzumteufel | ReeferMattness: why does your name use t's instead of d's? |
| 00:05.33 | gehzumteufel | I only just noticed that btw |
| 00:05.39 | ReeferMattness | My name is Matthew :) |
| 00:05.43 | gehzumteufel | Ahh lol |
| 00:05.46 | gehzumteufel | That makes sense |
| 00:05.49 | ReeferMattness | lol |
| 00:05.57 | gehzumteufel | I kept reading it as reefermaddness though till now |
| 00:06.00 | ReeferMattness | cuz I cant spell, is that what you wanted to hear?? :) |
| 00:06.04 | gehzumteufel | hahaha |
| 00:06.15 | gehzumteufel | nah I just never noticed till you just now joined that it was mattnedss |
| 00:06.17 | gehzumteufel | mattness* |
| 00:07.08 | ReeferMattness | Im sneaky like that |
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| 00:07.50 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 00:08.35 | bzo | phh: are you still up? |
| 00:09.50 | leobaillard | he's not, he's marked as away |
| 00:10.11 | leobaillard | gtb imho |
| 00:10.25 | bzo | ah right, saw that he was here a few minutes ago |
| 00:10.37 | gehzumteufel | Yeah he was |
| 00:11.01 | phh | bzo: yes ? |
| 00:11.22 | phh | (sorry for the feint I had to reboot to windows :p) |
| 00:11.45 | bzo | been looking at the eclair 3d stuff. Wanted to see if this means anything to you: |
| 00:11.54 | bzo | http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cd219cbfbccf9ac4e2797eaf5c83e61f9530d58 |
| 00:12.28 | bzo | I thought dzo just copied over the new drivers to make it work, but he also made this change |
| 00:14.09 | phh | bzo: hum, don't know |
| 00:14.39 | phh | dzo added support for both hw3d drivers (i mean eclair and donut) |
| 00:14.45 | phh | so i'm a bit lost |
| 00:14.49 | bzo | tried some of the changes, but of course it doesn't help us much :) |
| 00:15.07 | bzo | I think he just added some config to compile as eclair or donut, not both at the same time |
| 00:15.21 | MrPippy | yeah don't they use different device nodes? |
| 00:15.33 | phh | MrPippy: yes, that's a reason why it's so painfull. |
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| 00:16.48 | bzo | I was trying to understand some of these changes: writel(readl(MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE+0x84)| 0x280,MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE+0x84) |
| 00:16.57 | bzo | turns on clock and sets the speed, right? |
| 00:16.59 | leobaillard | gtb folks, night night ! |
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| 00:17.30 | phh | bzo: pff I don't have my docs available |
| 00:17.36 | gehzumteufel | night leobaillard |
| 00:17.42 | phh | I'd say it's just clock enabling |
| 00:17.46 | phh | we don't actually set speed |
| 00:18.09 | bzo | in our clock-wince we set our mask it with 0xa80 instead of 0x280 |
| 00:18.51 | bzo | I thought it set the speed too, looking at this: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MSM_CLK |
| 00:19.04 | phh | ok, I don't have my hex calc either. |
| 00:19.12 | phh | 0xa80 and 0x280 to binary is ? |
| 00:19.36 | bzo | 0xa80 = 101010000000 |
| 00:19.47 | bzo | 0x280 = 1010000000 |
| 00:19.58 | phh | bzo: we don't set speed for imem/grp |
| 00:20.52 | bzo | i wonder what our extra 10000000000 mask does? |
| 00:21.02 | phh | IMEM or GRP |
| 00:21.06 | phh | both are on the same NS register |
| 00:21.52 | bzo | ah |
| 00:22.16 | MrPippy | i don't know if 3d ever worked on cdma, our clocks could be different |
| 00:23.35 | phh | MrPippy: we have full clock doc for msm7500 anyway |
| 00:23.47 | MrPippy | the header files? |
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| 00:23.59 | bzo | in that case it might be worth someone on GSM testing the 0x280 setting. dzo has imem/grp mapped differently |
| 00:24.13 | phh | MrPippy: yes |
| 00:24.26 | phh | time to sleep |
| 00:24.43 | bzo | good night |
| 00:25.14 | Markinus | gnight |
| 00:26.25 | bzo | MrPippy: do you know how they handle clocks on heroc? It seems very different from how our stuff works |
| 00:26.45 | MrPippy | the arm9 handles everything and they just send it commands |
| 00:27.57 | bzo | I was grepping the hero source, and for example I can hardly find a reference to the IMEM_CLK that I've been digging into |
| 00:29.23 | bzo | in our source, you can find exactly how we access it, but there seems to be no comparable code in heroc |
| 00:31.18 | MrPippy | right, all their clock dirty work is done by the a9, so they just do msm_proc_comm(MAGIC_CLOCK_WORK) |
| 00:32.15 | bzo | how is the a9 setup in the first place to know all the right parameters for the clocks, addresses, etc? |
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| 00:33.00 | MrPippy | its hardcoded i assume |
| 00:33.50 | chamonix | crap |
| 00:33.53 | bzo | so that's the reason we need the wince clock stuff? We are emulating how wince accesses the a9 because it has firmware specific for wince? |
| 00:34.38 | MrPippy | yeah just setting the clock registers ourself like how wince does it |
| 00:36.11 | bzo | ah, things make a lot more sense now. |
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| 00:44.28 | MrPippy | i don't know if wince even uses the 3d hardware, people have been complaining for years that htc doesn't ship hw 3d drivers for their msm phones |
| 00:46.55 | bzo | I'm pretty sure the diamond ships with drivers. touchflo 3d requires it. |
| 00:47.22 | bzo | The vogue on the other hand never had working wince 3d drivers. You can only get hw 3d in android! |
| 00:48.29 | AstainHellbring | yep kaiser got 3d drivers via a big hacking |
| 00:49.05 | makkonen | vogue nand boot is pretty great. love that replimenu thing. and usb mass storage is nice to have. |
| 00:49.18 | makkonen | it certainly seems like a better android phone than it was a winmo phone. |
| 00:49.38 | makkonen | except the font rendering is just atrocious. |
| 00:50.01 | AstainHellbring | makkonen is there a vogue build you like? |
| 00:50.06 | bzo | I posted to vilord in his thread. He said he was going to release his changes to busybox and replimenu (if he hasn't already), so there should be no problem porting it to xdandroid |
| 00:50.11 | AstainHellbring | I have one I was thinking I should flash |
| 00:50.17 | makkonen | bzo: keen. |
| 00:50.50 | bzo | really the only tweak needed is recognizing the center dpad press. When you turn off his special htc mapping, the nav keys works |
| 00:51.51 | bzo | yeah, I resurrected my vogue yesterday to try the new 2.1 and init stuff. Everything works smoothly, though the screen seems so primative after getting used to vga |
| 00:51.56 | makkonen | astainhellbring: It's not my phone, it's my girlfriend's... so I installed something that had everything functional, i.e. Myn's. It's very nice, except for the font being hideous. For myself, I'd probably install mssmison's eclair 2.1 build, because I like to be on the bleeding edge. |
| 00:52.36 | makkonen | bzo: yeah, it really does. I still think the 320x480 emulation looks better. which doesn't make a lot of sense. |
| 00:53.24 | bzo | I'm jealous of how well gps is working on vogue now. jnadke brought the gps driver up to full functionality |
| 00:53.55 | MrPippy | tattoo runs a 240x320 screen, i wonder how that looks |
| 00:54.05 | makkonen | plus when you run in 320x240 nothing shows up in the market and a few programs just puke. makes me glad I haven't got a tattoo. |
| 00:54.24 | bzo | MrPippy: probably as primative as the vogue :) |
| 00:54.44 | AstainHellbring | cool makkonen |
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| 00:57.29 | MrPippy | its cool how functional they've gotten the vogue, but it'd be really great if all the devs decided to come and work on topaz/rhod |
| 00:57.45 | makkonen | seriously. |
| 00:58.01 | bzo | they have to upgrade someday :) |
| 00:58.33 | makkonen | bah. they're all cheap bastards or crunchy opensource advocates. |
| 00:58.38 | makkonen | (...ok, maybe it's just me.) |
| 00:59.48 | bzo | I do think we're getting close to the tipping point for the newer platforms to be more attractive now that android is almost usable |
| 01:00.00 | AstainHellbring | NetRipper you around? |
| 01:00.16 | MrPippy | i think a forum thread in xda could find money/phones for them |
| 01:01.34 | makkonen | yeah. at least from my perspective (i.e. the cdma versions), it seems like the topaz/rhodium have gotten usable really just a month or two behind the diam/raph... which means forget the current phones -- let's get the next generation up and running. |
| 01:02.30 | makkonen | MrPippy: I asked dzo about taking up a donation to get him a rhod400/500. he said that even if we did, he couldn't use it as his primary phone, since his carrier is locked to their own set of esns. |
| 01:02.55 | AstainHellbring | makkonen you can esn change the device |
| 01:03.25 | AstainHellbring | makkonen so he could use the device as his primary |
| 01:03.47 | makkonen | he said (or I interpreted it as him saying) something about not wanting to have to break the law to use his phone. |
| 01:04.04 | makkonen | who knows how the laws in NZ are. |
| 01:04.08 | AstainHellbring | ahh ic |
| 01:04.13 | NetRipper | AstainHellbring, yes |
| 01:04.19 | AstainHellbring | eh esn change in us is illegal too but we do it all the time |
| 01:04.19 | makkonen | in the USA they can probably put you to death for dmca violations at this point. |
| 01:04.20 | NetRipper | although kinda busy but im readin |
| 01:04.36 | AstainHellbring | NetRipper I'll pm question to make it easy to see |
| 01:04.42 | NetRipper | ok |
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| 01:09.03 | AstainHellbring | dcma is stupid has way too much power |
| 01:09.21 | AstainHellbring | makkonen doesnt dzo have a gsm carrier as well? |
| 01:09.33 | bzo | hehe, don't get makkonen started |
| 01:09.48 | makkonen | am I getting a reputation? |
| 01:10.00 | makkonen | it's true. I am angry. about... things. |
| 01:10.02 | makkonen | all sorts of things. |
| 01:10.40 | bzo | most of them justified |
| 01:12.26 | AstainHellbring | makkonen assuming dzo has a gsm carrier as well a rhod400 will work great for him as its sim unlocked out of box |
| 01:15.01 | bzo | so, this recent talk of a rhodium for phh. Is it a done deal or something being worked on? |
| 01:15.26 | AstainHellbring | phh you're outside of US right? |
| 01:15.50 | bzo | I believe he is in France |
| 01:17.08 | MrPippy | waah telecom new zealand sells the tp2 for 1499nzd == $1024 USD |
| 01:18.13 | ReeferMattness | its a done deal |
| 01:18.24 | ReeferMattness | shipping monday, he will have it in a week |
| 01:18.49 | MrPippy | although...sprint sells the tp2 from their store for $550 but on ebay its more like $300-350, i'm sure a telecom nz one could be found cheaper too |
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| 01:23.09 | bzo | ReeferMattness: glad to hear it |
| 01:23.23 | gehzumteufel | So anyone know why haret can't bind to the socket? |
| 01:23.26 | gehzumteufel | What would cause that? |
| 01:23.55 | MrPippy | only time i've seen that is if you hit the button twice and it tries to bind twice, or if theres another haret running and connected |
| 01:24.01 | gehzumteufel | hmm |
| 01:24.04 | gehzumteufel | I will reboot the phone |
| 01:24.42 | gehzumteufel | The WM "wait" icon just appears and continues and never goes away |
| 01:24.57 | MrPippy | yeah thats when the socket does bind and its waiting for a connection |
| 01:24.59 | gehzumteufel | when I hit the listen thing |
| 01:25.03 | gehzumteufel | hmm |
| 01:25.07 | tmzt | kill background haret copies |
| 01:25.15 | gehzumteufel | I didn't have any running |
| 01:25.38 | gehzumteufel | I just rebooted ti so going to try again once it is booted |
| 01:26.07 | gehzumteufel | I even installed Linux (took maybe 20 mins including updates and installing synce |
| 01:28.44 | gehzumteufel | ugh it says "connection refused" |
| 01:28.48 | gehzumteufel | Why would it say that? |
| 01:31.10 | MrPippy | do you have "faster data sync" checked in the usb to pc settings panel? |
| 01:31.27 | chamonix | phh: sleep_leds and effects don't have the same "syntax" do they? |
| 01:32.20 | gehzumteufel | MrPippy: that fixed it thanks! |
| 01:32.31 | gehzumteufel | err maybe I spoke too soon |
| 01:35.56 | gehzumteufel | Finally got it |
| 01:36.30 | gehzumteufel | phh: what was that mmu command you wanted to be run? |
| 01:36.57 | gehzumteufel | mmutrace or something like that |
| 01:37.30 | MrPippy | he wanted a mmutrace of i2c, maybe just wait until tomorrow |
| 01:37.43 | gehzumteufel | mmutrace gives me unknown command |
| 01:38.07 | MrPippy | its a list, you do addlist to add addresses to it |
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| 01:39.32 | gehzumteufel | I see |
| 01:39.39 | gehzumteufel | is a n00b at this stuff still |
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| 01:46.02 | pershoot | hi all. can anyone help me to figure out a 550MHZ clock frequency within acpuclock.c (clkctl_acpu_speed acpu_freq_tbl)? |
| 01:46.46 | MrPippy | heh overclocking? |
| 01:47.20 | pershoot | hehe ya. it has been recently observed that the device can do 550mhz stable, so want to adjust the source and try it out |
| 01:47.44 | MrPippy | its not a big jump over 528 |
| 01:47.54 | pershoot | its not. but any lil bit helps with this darned thing, ha |
| 01:50.21 | adamw | any news? |
| 01:51.53 | noisyzen | adamw: Costa Rica scores well on the happiness index - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8498456.stm |
| 01:52.15 | adamw | noisyzen: feh, i'm sure vancouver beats it |
| 01:53.10 | adamw | although i would love to live under President Chinchilla |
| 01:53.31 | noisyzen | adamw: vancouver seems awesome. |
| 01:53.44 | adamw | it's a great town, that's why i moved here :) |
| 01:53.49 | adamw | i come from england. I hate england. |
| 01:53.50 | MrPippy | yeah unhappy places don't get to have the olympics |
| 01:54.01 | adamw | YOU VILL BE HAPPY |
| 01:54.09 | adamw | YOU ARE NOT HAPPY ENOUGH. BE HAPPIER OR WE WILL BEAT YOU WITH WHIPS |
| 01:55.08 | noisyzen | haha nice. was it hard to immigrate to canada? |
| 01:56.44 | adamw | it's not too bad |
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| 01:57.22 | gehzumteufel | Were you sponsored by your employer? |
| 01:57.29 | gehzumteufel | Or did you come over on your own without a wife |
| 01:57.37 | gehzumteufel | Canadian wife that is |
| 01:58.38 | MrPippy | bzo: were you testing with donut? |
| 01:58.59 | bzo | no, eclair |
| 01:59.17 | noisyzen | totally want to go to vancouver one day |
| 01:59.29 | gehzumteufel | Where do you live now noisyzen? |
| 01:59.44 | noisyzen | Detroit area. Grew up in Los Angeles, CA, though. |
| 01:59.45 | MrPippy | ok, i might try donut to see how 3d is, anyone know what the best donut build is? |
| 01:59.52 | pershoot | vancouver is very nice. was a lil rainy when i was there, but nice people, layout, etc. |
| 01:59.53 | noisyzen | Lived in Texas for a few years, too. |
| 02:01.04 | gehzumteufel | lol Detroit |
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| 02:01.14 | gehzumteufel | At least LA wasn't 100% ghetto |
| 02:01.24 | gehzumteufel | And shrinking |
| 02:01.34 | noisyzen | yeah. the actualy CITY of detroit can be pretty bad. |
| 02:01.44 | gehzumteufel | Even the burbs can be |
| 02:01.51 | noisyzen | the downtown is nice... and there are a few small neighborhoods in the city that are 'okay' |
| 02:01.56 | gehzumteufel | Whole swaths of homes that are vacant and squatted |
| 02:02.03 | noisyzen | there are a lot of nice suburbs in the area. |
| 02:02.07 | noisyzen | you ever been to the area gehzumteufel? |
| 02:02.25 | gehzumteufel | noisyzen: Not myself no, but I have a few friends that have, and all they can say is "dirty and shite" |
| 02:02.32 | gehzumteufel | err shit* |
| 02:02.47 | gehzumteufel | I want to..for one reason alone....DEMF |
| 02:02.50 | noisyzen | demf? |
| 02:02.55 | noisyzen | <googling> |
| 02:02.59 | gehzumteufel | Detroit Electronic Music Festival |
| 02:03.03 | noisyzen | ahh |
| 02:03.03 | noisyzen | yes |
| 02:03.10 | noisyzen | i have friends who go to that |
| 02:03.47 | gehzumteufel | Where in LA did you live? I live south of LA in Costa Mesa |
| 02:03.52 | noisyzen | here's the thing with detroit... downtown is nice... the river is nice... but, all the neighborhoods... are pretty scary. except for a few. |
| 02:03.59 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 02:04.26 | noisyzen | but, once you get north of 8 mile, things typically get better. oakland county is one of the richest in the nation, and it borders detroit... parts are very ghetto. but, there's some really nice burbs, too. |
| 02:04.35 | noisyzen | I lived in the San Fernando Valley lol |
| 02:04.39 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 02:04.43 | noisyzen | and then lived near lax for a while in westchester |
| 02:04.43 | gehzumteufel | Pornoville |
| 02:04.50 | gehzumteufel | Ah nice |
| 02:04.56 | noisyzen | lol |
| 02:04.57 | gehzumteufel | SM is a great place to live |
| 02:05.04 | noisyzen | sm? |
| 02:05.08 | gehzumteufel | Santa Monic |
| 02:05.09 | noisyzen | santa monica? |
| 02:05.10 | noisyzen | yeah |
| 02:05.10 | gehzumteufel | Monica* |
| 02:05.18 | gehzumteufel | Venice can be |
| 02:05.22 | gehzumteufel | Depending on where you are |
| 02:05.49 | noisyzen | yeah |
| 02:05.53 | noisyzen | i miss it sometimes |
| 02:05.55 | noisyzen | in n out burger |
| 02:06.01 | noisyzen | :( |
| 02:06.05 | gehzumteufel | lol I have one of those right by my place |
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| 02:06.10 | noisyzen | i used to hang out in huntington beach quite a bit |
| 02:06.12 | noisyzen | and sometimes in the lbc |
| 02:06.14 | gehzumteufel | I can walk there if I wanted to |
| 02:06.18 | gehzumteufel | Ah nice |
| 02:06.25 | noisyzen | lucky! |
| 02:06.26 | gehzumteufel | I lived right next to the peir in HB |
| 02:06.29 | noisyzen | oh sweet. |
| 02:06.38 | gehzumteufel | Yeah except my roomies turned out to be total crazies |
| 02:06.49 | noisyzen | that's the worst |
| 02:07.14 | noisyzen | one of the things i love about it here is that we get snow |
| 02:07.22 | gehzumteufel | I left that place after living there for 3 months. I got in an argument with one of the roomies and he had a kife because he was cooking. I wasn't sure if he was going to use it on me or not. That was my "I need to get the fuck out" |
| 02:07.22 | noisyzen | growing up in la didn't get any of that, really. |
| 02:07.27 | noisyzen | oh man. |
| 02:07.30 | noisyzen | good call. |
| 02:07.46 | gehzumteufel | But I loved that location |
| 02:08.03 | gehzumteufel | And snow...meh you can go to Big Bear for that |
| 02:08.07 | gehzumteufel | 1.5hr drive |
| 02:08.21 | noisyzen | haha, true |
| 02:08.32 | AstainHellbring | drives for .25 hr for snowy mountains to skii |
| 02:08.43 | MrPippy | gehzumteufel: where do you live? |
| 02:08.56 | noisyzen | AstainHellbring: where do you live? |
| 02:09.11 | AstainHellbring | noisyzen salt lake city, utah |
| 02:09.21 | noisyzen | gehzumteufel: there's nothing like waking up in the morning to a fresh snowfall, though. |
| 02:09.35 | noisyzen | AstainHellbring: ah, nice. do you like it? |
| 02:09.38 | gehzumteufel | MrPippy: California (Costa Mesa, CA) |
| 02:09.40 | AstainHellbring | yah its a nice place |
| 02:09.50 | MrPippy | oh nice, san diego here |
| 02:09.51 | gehzumteufel | noisyzen: Yeah there is. It blows |
| 02:10.07 | gehzumteufel | MrPippy: downtown or what? My sister lives in Oceanside, so I am down there pretty often |
| 02:10.35 | MrPippy | suburbs at the moment, penasquitos |
| 02:10.40 | gehzumteufel | oh fuck |
| 02:10.53 | noisyzen | haha |
| 02:11.19 | gehzumteufel | dude that shit is out of the way |
| 02:11.44 | gehzumteufel | I like taking the train to downtown and hitting up this Aussie bar |
| 02:11.46 | noisyzen | mannnnnnn. i'm not using android 24/7, but i do for a few hours and then I get back into winmo and find it so clunky and ugly. |
| 02:11.52 | noisyzen | (winmo) |
| 02:11.54 | gehzumteufel | haha |
| 02:12.01 | gehzumteufel | Which device you got? |
| 02:12.07 | noisyzen | at&t pure (topa210) |
| 02:12.11 | gehzumteufel | ah |
| 02:12.18 | gehzumteufel | I am on the rhod210 |
| 02:12.19 | noisyzen | using touchflo3d 2.1 |
| 02:12.27 | gehzumteufel | 2.5 is much better |
| 02:12.41 | gehzumteufel | And pretty much complete now |
| 02:12.42 | noisyzen | 2.1.19183217.0 |
| 02:12.45 | noisyzen | yeah? |
| 02:12.58 | gehzumteufel | Landscape works in almost all tabs that I am aware of |
| 02:13.12 | noisyzen | i started reading about the roms over on xda last night, but i didn't have enough time to deal with it all. i've only had it for a few weeks. |
| 02:13.24 | gehzumteufel | Ah lol yeah it can get overwhelming at first |
| 02:13.36 | gehzumteufel | I started reading the rhodium subforum before I got mine |
| 02:13.56 | noisyzen | i got this app from opnmarket i think.. i forgot which one (i've hard reset the phone) it made /everything/ use landscape when tilting the phone |
| 02:14.02 | gehzumteufel | I knew that there was a lot of reading to be done to make sure I don't brick my brand new device. I had it like 10 days and HSPL came out officially |
| 02:14.04 | noisyzen | yeah, really overwhelming |
| 02:14.15 | noisyzen | yeah, i'm a total n00b to this stuff. |
| 02:14.24 | gehzumteufel | gconfig allows you to add apps |
| 02:14.26 | gehzumteufel | Which is what I do |
| 02:14.30 | noisyzen | ah okay. |
| 02:14.48 | gehzumteufel | it adds them for the auto rotate using the accelerometer data that is |
| 02:15.18 | noisyzen | gosh what was that app i was using... |
| 02:16.17 | noisyzen | this is really gonna bug me now :) |
| 02:16.33 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 02:16.37 | gehzumteufel | No worries |
| 02:16.45 | gehzumteufel | A good rom has the important stuff added |
| 02:16.56 | noisyzen | it seems like there are so many to choose from. |
| 02:17.10 | gehzumteufel | Yeah |
| 02:17.14 | gehzumteufel | That is usually what happens |
| 02:17.26 | gehzumteufel | And NEVER post asking "what is the best rom" |
| 02:17.29 | noisyzen | what bugs me the most with winmo are the little things... like the outlook email.. fonts are ugly... interface is ugly... text messaging... same thing unless you're in the 'quick reply' type thing |
| 02:17.33 | noisyzen | oh i know, i'm sure i'd get slaughtered. |
| 02:17.39 | noisyzen | this girl is too smart for that. lol. |
| 02:17.43 | gehzumteufel | There will be a bunch of "there is no best rom" or "whatever your preference is" or shit like that |
| 02:18.02 | noisyzen | uh huh |
| 02:18.11 | gehzumteufel | With Sense 2.5 the whole messaging is replaced for texting |
| 02:18.18 | noisyzen | really? |
| 02:18.44 | noisyzen | i wonder if i can find some screenshots. |
| 02:18.44 | gehzumteufel | Hold up |
| 02:18.54 | noisyzen | aaight. |
| 02:19.07 | noisyzen | and do you use roms just from xda developers or from places like htcpedia, too? |
| 02:19.23 | gehzumteufel | The one I am running now, the guy posts on XDA, but his rom is hosted on htcpedia |
| 02:19.45 | noisyzen | ah, okay. |
| 02:19.50 | gehzumteufel | I was using a different rom, but I got sick of that one and all the bugs and the accelerometer not working well |
| 02:20.24 | noisyzen | how long would you say that it takes to flash a phone for the first time? |
| 02:20.32 | noisyzen | more along the lines of the newb factor :) |
| 02:20.36 | gehzumteufel | lol it is fast |
| 02:20.41 | gehzumteufel | You have to use hard-spl first |
| 02:20.47 | gehzumteufel | This unlocks the ability to flash custom roms |
| 02:20.53 | gehzumteufel | That is about 2minutes max |
| 02:21.16 | gehzumteufel | Then you find the rom you want, and flash away. That takes about 2-3 minutes for the actual flash process to finish |
| 02:21.33 | noisyzen | ah okay |
| 02:21.53 | noisyzen | i was reading everything and thinking, i gotta read waaaaaaaay more before i can figure out what to do. |
| 02:22.05 | MrPippy | it wipes out all your settings though, that takes longer than the actual flash |
| 02:22.13 | noisyzen | if it wasn't a phone, i'd be a lot more comfortable. |
| 02:22.14 | noisyzen | ya know? |
| 02:22.25 | noisyzen | i thrash my computers to hell and back. |
| 02:23.25 | gehzumteufel | Yeah |
| 02:23.43 | gehzumteufel | MrPippy: Yeah but google sync is your friend. As is xml files that redo all your settings |
| 02:24.09 | IceBone | What would happen to my phone if I OC-ed it? |
| 02:24.20 | MrPippy | yeah activesync with google is great, that gets most of it |
| 02:24.34 | noisyzen | wow. 2.5. i want. |
| 02:25.30 | noisyzen | yeah, i have activesync for my email/contacts/calendar. |
| 02:25.31 | noisyzen | blah blah blah |
| 02:25.34 | noisyzen | with google. |
| 02:25.49 | noisyzen | there's even a twitter tab? nice. |
| 02:25.50 | noisyzen | okay. |
| 02:26.02 | noisyzen | i might have to do this. |
| 02:26.21 | noisyzen | gehzumteufel: which brand of rom you use? |
| 02:26.42 | gehzumteufel | I use ark666's rom |
| 02:26.50 | gehzumteufel | But I dunno if he makes roms for the topaz |
| 02:27.07 | ReeferMattness | dont think he does |
| 02:27.08 | gehzumteufel | And I can't find a good demo of the htc messaging in 2.5 |
| 02:27.22 | noisyzen | i found this: http://htcpedia.com/dutty_s_topaz_sense_holy_grail_r_multi_lang_wwe_699826b0865ff3507/soft/htc-topaz-rom.html |
| 02:27.30 | gehzumteufel | dutty makes good stuff |
| 02:27.35 | ReeferMattness | yes he does |
| 02:27.38 | gehzumteufel | That guy has been around the scene for a WHILE |
| 02:27.45 | gehzumteufel | I remember when he had a wizard |
| 02:28.24 | noisyzen | and there was an energy one i saw... |
| 02:28.29 | noisyzen | waiting for xda to load now. |
| 02:28.30 | gehzumteufel | I used to use those |
| 02:28.47 | gehzumteufel | That was the one with too many bugs and issues imho |
| 02:28.49 | noisyzen | so skerred to brick my phone :I |
| 02:28.51 | noisyzen | ah, gotcha. |
| 02:28.55 | noisyzen | good to know. |
| 02:29.02 | gehzumteufel | haha bricking is not easy to do if you just read read read |
| 02:29.05 | noisyzen | this is the one i was looking at last night: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562942 |
| 02:29.10 | noisyzen | see, here's the problem. |
| 02:29.14 | noisyzen | i'm all about read read read |
| 02:29.34 | noisyzen | until i hit the impatience wall. then it's just "okay, let's see what happens." |
| 02:29.43 | gehzumteufel | Honestly |
| 02:29.50 | gehzumteufel | At some point, you just have to take the plunge |
| 02:29.59 | gehzumteufel | And there isn't that much to read |
| 02:30.02 | IceBone | Does android recognize .aac files for ringtones? |
| 02:30.07 | gehzumteufel | Pretty much you just have to make sure it is for your device |
| 02:30.18 | gehzumteufel | IceBone: Not that I am aware of, but not sure on that |
| 02:30.29 | IceBone | I'll just convert to mp3 to be on the safe side. |
| 02:30.59 | noisyzen | yeah, see. htc pure is the topaz 210... |
| 02:31.18 | noisyzen | but topaz is also the touch diamond 2... not sure if they are 100% 1:1 |
| 02:32.22 | gehzumteufel | they are |
| 02:32.28 | gehzumteufel | Names are irrelevant |
| 02:32.52 | noisyzen | would you say the guide in the beginning of this thread (dutty's h-grail) is sufficient? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579076 |
| 02:34.57 | gehzumteufel | Totally |
| 02:35.14 | noisyzen | okay. |
| 02:35.21 | noisyzen | and, i've found a few things... is 2.6 actually out? |
| 02:36.28 | gehzumteufel | No |
| 02:36.33 | gehzumteufel | Nor do I know the differences |
| 02:37.32 | ReeferMattness | noisy, thats kinda like the ATT Fuze = Rhaphael = TP and ATT Tilt2 = Rhodium = Touch Pro 2, and thats only "official" names, before release they have at least 3 different nicknames :) |
| 02:38.10 | gehzumteufel | ReeferMattness: Not really. They just have different names depending on the carrier, but the names that everyone calls them is the code name |
| 02:38.16 | gehzumteufel | everyone on the boards that is |
| 02:38.20 | noisyzen | ReeferMattness: That makes sense. I figured.. I know Markinus has a topaz and i think there are a couple of differences between our gsensors, for example. |
| 02:38.37 | gehzumteufel | He has a topa100 |
| 02:38.39 | noisyzen | ahhh |
| 02:38.42 | noisyzen | so, i have the topa210 |
| 02:38.44 | gehzumteufel | You have a topa210 |
| 02:38.45 | noisyzen | that's where it is then |
| 02:38.46 | noisyzen | bingo |
| 02:38.57 | gehzumteufel | The differences are usually in revisions of the hardware |
| 02:39.17 | gehzumteufel | Like my rhodium is the rhod210, and it has differences from the rhod100 that have been seen |
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| 02:39.39 | gehzumteufel | And ReeferMattness has the tilt2 which is the rhod300 iirc |
| 02:39.53 | noisyzen | ah, okay. |
| 02:39.56 | noisyzen | gotcha. |
| 02:40.03 | noisyzen | you guys are awesome. |
| 02:40.09 | gehzumteufel | Also something to know, the HTC branded (that is the ones that are NOT modded by carriers and are sold by HTC directly) are always the xxxx100 devices |
| 02:40.18 | noisyzen | ohhh good to know. |
| 02:40.25 | noisyzen | i'm learning a lot tonight. |
| 02:40.28 | gehzumteufel | :) |
| 02:40.57 | MrPippy | wow donut starts up so fast |
| 02:41.30 | noisyzen | oh that's right, i downloaded an update a few hours ago. haven't put it on yet. |
| 02:42.32 | noisyzen | one more question before i jump in and do this... just because one person has an issue with the rom doesn't mean that everybody else is going to have it, correct? |
| 02:42.55 | gehzumteufel | That can be correct, but it all depends on your usage |
| 02:43.20 | gehzumteufel | MrPippy: Eclair starts up prett fast for me now with the new kernel I put on this morning |
| 02:44.36 | noisyzen | if i brick it... is there any way to fix it? |
| 02:44.48 | noisyzen | i downloaded the htc stock rom from htc's site earlier. |
| 02:45.14 | MrPippy | ok cool, neocore runs good in donut on diam500 |
| 02:45.20 | MrPippy | 17.1 fps, pretty impressive |
| 02:47.10 | gehzumteufel | MrPippy: yeah it is enabled for diam but nothing else in those kernels |
| 02:48.20 | gehzumteufel | noisyzen: Depends on how you brick it. There are the not really bricked but people freak out bricks (aka nothing wrong, just a bad flash and you have to do a reflash via bootloader) and then there is the real brick. The one that is unrecoverable without jtag |
| 02:48.25 | gehzumteufel | And even then may not be |
| 02:49.15 | MrPippy | donut hw3d should be enabled for all devices |
| 02:49.27 | gehzumteufel | phh said it was broken |
| 02:50.14 | noisyzen | gehzumteufel: jtag? googling... :) |
| 02:50.17 | MrPippy | in donut its working for me |
| 02:50.28 | gehzumteufel | Youh have a diam |
| 02:50.38 | gehzumteufel | That was the one it was enabled for, but no other devices |
| 02:51.10 | noisyzen | and finally, should I completely empty my sd card first? |
| 02:51.42 | MrPippy | diamond cdma is more like other devices than gsm diamond |
| 02:52.57 | noisyzen | gah. i think i'm gonna have to boot into windows to do this for hard spl |
| 02:53.19 | MrPippy | yeah i've never been able to flash from a vm, needs to be real windows |
| 02:54.43 | gehzumteufel | Yeah don't bother trying from vm |
| 02:55.28 | gehzumteufel | Where can I get neocore? |
| 02:55.41 | noisyzen | Okay, then I'm going to do this tomorrow. |
| 02:55.47 | gehzumteufel | heh |
| 02:55.49 | noisyzen | for now i will get back to playing with android. |
| 02:55.50 | noisyzen | lol |
| 02:55.54 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 02:56.13 | gehzumteufel | I just wish more things worked |
| 02:56.20 | gehzumteufel | Someone was going to send the devs a device |
| 02:56.28 | MrPippy | neocore is on market |
| 02:56.28 | gehzumteufel | A rhodium |
| 02:56.38 | noisyzen | yeah |
| 02:56.42 | noisyzen | i miss sound. |
| 02:56.43 | gehzumteufel | ah k |
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| 02:56.58 | noisyzen | ah hell with it. brb. gonna boot into windows. |
| 02:56.59 | gehzumteufel | boots Android |
| 02:57.00 | noisyzen | brb |
| 02:57.06 | gehzumteufel | haha |
| 02:57.39 | gehzumteufel | Also, what are the fsckxxxx files there for? Do I need those? |
| 02:57.49 | gehzumteufel | I know they have to do with filesystem checking |
| 02:57.51 | MrPippy | delete them |
| 02:57.56 | gehzumteufel | good I do |
| 02:57.59 | gehzumteufel | quite regularly |
| 02:58.09 | MrPippy | heh yeah its junk left over |
| 03:01.32 | gehzumteufel | Yeah figured as much. Siliar to the .chk files from windows |
| 03:01.43 | gehzumteufel | similar* |
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| 03:03.17 | gehzumteufel | LOL this is hilarious |
| 03:03.18 | gehzumteufel | http://tinyurl.com/yc2xycd |
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| 03:09.38 | noisyzen | gah. windows. |
| 03:10.24 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 03:10.54 | noisyzen | windows vista home basic, no less. |
| 03:10.57 | gehzumteufel | eww |
| 03:11.04 | gehzumteufel | I have Win7 on here |
| 03:11.23 | noisyzen | uh huh. |
| 03:11.25 | noisyzen | eww is right. |
| 03:11.28 | noisyzen | eww is an understatement. |
| 03:12.23 | gehzumteufel | lol |
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| 03:13.21 | noisyzen | and, vista networking is so awesome. |
| 03:14.18 | noisyzen | i wonder if that's going to be a problem for me flashing the rom. |
| 03:14.27 | noisyzen | since my networking just drops randomly in vista. |
| 03:14.35 | gehzumteufel | wtf |
| 03:14.41 | gehzumteufel | What nic you got? |
| 03:16.09 | noisyzen | i've got an atheros |
| 03:16.09 | noisyzen | wireless. |
| 03:17.37 | gehzumteufel | hmm |
| 03:17.44 | gehzumteufel | I had one of those and it worked fine |
| 03:17.56 | gehzumteufel | OH which model do you have? |
| 03:17.59 | gehzumteufel | ar5009? |
| 03:18.21 | noisyzen | hmm. let me take a look |
| 03:18.34 | noisyzen | and remember this is vista home basic. at some point i'll get win7 |
| 03:18.54 | gehzumteufel | heh yeah |
| 03:18.58 | gehzumteufel | What brand machine? |
| 03:19.16 | gehzumteufel | You can probably get it pirated and preactivated for your machine |
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| 03:24.20 | noisyzen | !!!! |
| 03:24.23 | noisyzen | lol |
| 03:24.24 | noisyzen | see? |
| 03:25.39 | gehzumteufel | lol yeah |
| 03:25.43 | gehzumteufel | So what nic you got? |
| 03:25.47 | gehzumteufel | ar5009? |
| 03:25.52 | noisyzen | ar5007eg |
| 03:26.04 | noisyzen | in a 300 dollar emachine cuz i'm cheap :) |
| 03:27.02 | gehzumteufel | haha |
| 03:27.06 | gehzumteufel | whatever works |
| 03:27.26 | gehzumteufel | That is the same one that the company I used to work for installed in their machines. What is the driver date? |
| 03:27.29 | noisyzen | okay i'm outta here for the night. thanks for the help guys |
| 03:27.34 | noisyzen | i'll be back tomorrow |
| 03:27.37 | gehzumteufel | hah laters |
| 03:27.38 | noisyzen | on a wired connection in windows :P |
| 03:27.38 | gehzumteufel | enjoy |
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| 03:48.47 | babijoee | hi dzo :) |
| 03:49.38 | babijoee | any chance you'll be jumping back into the diamond/raph scene |
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| 04:06.08 | gehzumteufel | lol what scene is he in now? |
| 04:09.02 | babijoee | vogue / polaris / kaiser |
| 04:09.03 | babijoee | i think |
| 04:16.03 | gehzumteufel | Ah |
| 04:16.26 | gehzumteufel | We need more rhod and leo heavy hitters |
| 04:23.14 | Unholy | any one got latest zimage with working modules for donut XD, |
| 04:24.23 | babijoee | zImages based on phhusson git no longer are made for donut |
| 04:24.52 | babijoee | gehzumteufel: well many people are working to make msm7k devices run together |
| 04:25.08 | babijoee | so anywork done for raph/diam is quite similar for others |
| 04:25.17 | gehzumteufel | Yeah I know |
| 04:25.21 | Unholy | i know thats y i asked =( |
| 04:25.33 | Unholy | guess il have to compile it |
| 04:25.42 | Unholy | but thats gona be a nightmare on ubuntu |
| 04:25.44 | gehzumteufel | Unholy: Why do you want to run donut? |
| 04:25.50 | Unholy | never compiled stuff with ubuntu befire |
| 04:25.57 | Unholy | before * |
| 04:26.02 | Unholy | ah cus of hw3d |
| 04:26.05 | Unholy | and the smoothnes |
| 04:26.19 | gehzumteufel | I see |
| 04:26.29 | Unholy | i was running eclair till today |
| 04:26.44 | Unholy | i just miss the emulators and some of the games |
| 04:26.44 | gehzumteufel | Yeah I am in Eclair now and running it just for the hell of it. |
| 04:27.02 | gehzumteufel | Now that most of the hardware buttons work, it is quite good |
| 04:27.11 | gehzumteufel | Now just the left arrow needs to be fixed |
| 04:27.35 | gehzumteufel | On the rhod |
| 04:27.46 | Unholy | rhod is tp2 right? |
| 04:27.49 | gehzumteufel | That it is |
| 04:27.54 | Unholy | i see |
| 04:28.21 | Unholy | sometimes i miss my kaiser /cry |
| 04:28.26 | Unholy | i loved that phone lol |
| 04:28.28 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 04:28.39 | gehzumteufel | I love my rhodium |
| 04:28.43 | Unholy | haha |
| 04:28.52 | gehzumteufel | I am torn on whether I am going to get the Leo or the Nexus One though |
| 04:29.09 | Unholy | ha i would go for the nexxus |
| 04:29.16 | Unholy | leo is to bugged or so they say |
| 04:29.16 | gehzumteufel | Yeah but no WM at all |
| 04:29.24 | Unholy | if anything for wm i would go for the acer f1 |
| 04:29.30 | gehzumteufel | Why's that? |
| 04:29.33 | Unholy | if i had the cash anyways |
| 04:29.42 | Unholy | acer f1 is faster less buggy |
| 04:29.47 | gehzumteufel | Faster? |
| 04:29.49 | gehzumteufel | How? |
| 04:29.50 | Unholy | look up the reviuws |
| 04:29.52 | gehzumteufel | 1ghz arm cpus |
| 04:30.00 | Unholy | leo dosent come at 1ghz |
| 04:30.05 | Unholy | you gota install a cab |
| 04:30.13 | Unholy | 3d drivers are a mess |
| 04:30.37 | gehzumteufel | I wonder if the same can be said of the US version |
| 04:31.00 | Unholy | dunno i saw some benchys and acer f1 ate it |
| 04:31.01 | makkonen | F1's got a 3.8" screen. Leo's got 4.3". that's a big difference. |
| 04:31.07 | Unholy | even do there basicly the same phone |
| 04:31.17 | makkonen | I really want to see one in person. |
| 04:31.19 | gehzumteufel | US Leo has 1gb of rom too |
| 04:32.16 | gehzumteufel | makkonen: yeah same. In due time. Supposedly, March 24th is the launch |
| 04:32.18 | Unholy | look up some reviews acer f1 vs htc leo |
| 04:32.41 | gehzumteufel | Unholy: They compare the Euro one though. I am in the US. So things could change a whole lot |
| 04:32.52 | gehzumteufel | We will see |
| 04:32.56 | gehzumteufel | I won't buy it sight unseen |
| 04:33.09 | makkonen | htc supersonic. that's where my hopes lie right now. |
| 04:33.10 | gehzumteufel | I will go in and use it at a store first |
| 04:33.12 | Unholy | ah hopefully they will then cus the eur version if buggy |
| 04:33.38 | Unholy | but hey thats just my opinion |
| 04:34.01 | Unholy | might be a placivo effect of my brother owning one |
| 04:36.18 | babijoee | i think you should wait for winmo7 |
| 04:37.01 | babijoee | but if you love android, then nexus one is a good choice |
| 04:37.09 | gehzumteufel | placebo* |
| 04:37.15 | ReeferMattness | Aye, Ive got a chunk of savings im waiting for something special to come out to spend it on |
| 04:37.18 | babijoee | otherwise you could wait for the professional version of nexus one |
| 04:37.23 | ReeferMattness | might wait til WM7 myself |
| 04:37.29 | gehzumteufel | Yeah that is the other thing |
| 04:37.39 | gehzumteufel | WM7 gets detailed a bit in 2 weeks |
| 04:37.45 | gehzumteufel | So, that may change my mind and make me wait |
| 04:38.13 | gehzumteufel | And the professional version of the Nexus One should be announced soon too I hope |
| 04:38.19 | Unholy | ya i cant wait for wm7 |
| 04:38.19 | gehzumteufel | There is a lot on the horizon |
| 04:38.44 | babijoee | too bad older devices wont be able to run it |
| 04:38.53 | ReeferMattness | 1ghz processors are going to change a lot of things about mobile devices |
| 04:38.53 | gehzumteufel | makkonen: You said you are awaiting the supersonic...who is your provider? |
| 04:39.19 | ReeferMattness | Should have happened a year ago, but its 2010 and i still dont have a hoverboard... |
| 04:39.20 | gehzumteufel | babijoee: Ironically, I am glad. It sounds horrible, but Windows Mobile hasn't progressed much since 2000 |
| 04:40.17 | Unholy | babijoee dont hold your breth on that, youl never know XD |
| 04:40.43 | babijoee | Unholy: well it may be able to run from the help of XDA :) |
| 04:40.47 | gehzumteufel | Unholy: If what MS professes is happening, it won't even be possible due to hardware requirements |
| 04:40.53 | Unholy | aye =D |
| 04:41.03 | gehzumteufel | But we all know how MS professes lots of shit and fails miserably |
| 04:41.18 | gehzumteufel | If WM7 turns out to be a major fail, I am going to just move on to Android permanently |
| 04:41.39 | gehzumteufel | No more WM devices for me if it is |
| 04:41.57 | makkonen | gehzumteufel: Sprint. |
| 04:42.11 | babijoee | imo once you own an android device, you dont want to go back to winmo :p |
| 04:42.24 | gehzumteufel | makkonen: Ah well then that makes sense about the supersonic |
| 04:42.26 | stinebd | i own a winmo device and don't want to go back to winmo |
| 04:42.38 | babijoee | stinebd: you're special :p |
| 04:43.09 | gehzumteufel | babijoee: I have used them quite a lot. I have absolutely loved the way it has progressed. It is at a point I can finally move over. Before there were too many incompatibilities with stuff I needed now. That has changed |
| 04:43.18 | makkonen | stinebd: same. |
| 04:43.31 | gehzumteufel | stinebd: Yeah I am already sick of the current state of winmo |
| 04:43.51 | gehzumteufel | Have been for a few years, but it has been the best thing out there for business use that isn't a gimped whack BB |
| 04:43.52 | makkonen | though... I don't really like android that much, either. or iphone. or palm. or webos. I think it must be really hard to make a solid mobile OS... because no one's done it. |
| 04:44.25 | ReeferMattness | yeah makk but you gotta agree that winmo is an epic fail and that android is a more seamless UI |
| 04:44.39 | gehzumteufel | Well at least WebOS and Android got the update system right |
| 04:44.48 | gehzumteufel | No need to erase everything and shit |
| 04:44.59 | ReeferMattness | granted they have their strengths and weaknesses, I cant believe android os doesnt have a speed dial by name on the number pad.... lol |
| 04:45.00 | makkonen | android seems to be the closest at the moment... but it still has some real problems, even on released devices. |
| 04:45.33 | gehzumteufel | Such as? |
| 04:45.38 | gehzumteufel | is just being curious |
| 04:45.58 | gehzumteufel | Since we all have our own views of shortcomins and all |
| 04:46.18 | makkonen | haven't played with the N1, but every other device I've touched has been slow/laggy. and most of them have had horrible battery life as well, so it's not like they're getting much out of running slow. :-) |
| 04:46.59 | randomblame | the only reason windows mobile is such a failure is that it was not designed from the ground up as a phone os, it started out as windows ce, then got a face lift for pocket pcs, then they added a contacts list and radio support and viola |
| 04:47.00 | makkonen | especially the sense ui stuff. beautiful, but damn does it not pop when there's that half a second before it does what you want. |
| 04:47.14 | stinebd | yes |
| 04:47.29 | makkonen | (I feel exactly the same way about touchflo 3d on winmo, but I hoped android would hold itself to a higher standard.) |
| 04:47.38 | makkonen | s/android/htc and android |
| 04:47.43 | gehzumteufel | makkonen: Agreed, but as the polish on that stuff gets better (cleaner code, more optimised, etc) that will improve |
| 04:48.20 | gehzumteufel | randomblame: While I agree in a general sense, they have had 10 years, TEN YEARS, to remedy that. |
| 04:48.22 | makkonen | I hope so... but when I fire up logcat, and the garbage collector is going crazy all the time... I know it's not fair, but I simply do not have faith that a device running that much java can ever have good responsiveness. |
| 04:48.31 | babijoee | makkonen: you should play with n1 |
| 04:48.39 | gehzumteufel | Agreed |
| 04:48.44 | gehzumteufel | But the Nexus One does run well |
| 04:48.50 | gehzumteufel | I know a couple people who have it and LOVEit |
| 04:49.01 | gehzumteufel | I haven't gotten my hands on one yet though, so I am still unsure |
| 04:49.03 | makkonen | they're not in stores. I tried. need to make friends with someone who has one. |
| 04:49.16 | gehzumteufel | Yeah they won't ever be in stores |
| 04:49.28 | makkonen | I don't really understand why google did it that way. |
| 04:49.31 | stinebd | until google starts opening flagship stores |
| 04:49.36 | stinebd | you heard it here first! |
| 04:49.37 | makkonen | nothing about that launch makes sense to me. |
| 04:49.45 | gehzumteufel | overhead is low and they can control distribution issues |
| 04:50.10 | randomblame | pocket pc 2000 came out ten years ago, it was not a phone os, 2003 is when it became a phone os so 7 years and they had no real competition, they invented the smart phone |
| 04:50.23 | randomblame | then got lazy |
| 04:50.41 | makkonen | I guess maybe it's like bidding on the wireless spectrum, or releasing chrome... they're not in it to make money, they're just trying to set a baseline that everyone else has to live up to? |
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| 04:51.07 | gehzumteufel | randomblame: That's besides the point. The fact that they have had 10 years to get one together, is what matters. Yes, they filled a void they didn't have, but that should have been when they started to make something that fully replaces what they were using at the time |
| 04:51.45 | gehzumteufel | makkonen: Quite possible |
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| 04:53.55 | makkonen | I guess the whole thing about 'they're going to cannibalize the market for other android phone makers' doesn't really hold water, since... they give android away for free, so it's still to the other companies' advantage to make android phones vs whatever else -- they turn android into the de facto standard. |
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| 04:54.24 | randomblame | meh they made a pda that worked for phone calls, other people just made better implementations, if they weren't so damned lazy winmo could have been great, it only really sucks when you compare it to other platforms |
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| 04:55.48 | gehzumteufel | Of course, but what else are you supposed to do? Not compare it? |
| 04:56.05 | gehzumteufel | They aren't changing with the needs of the market, and as such, are being left behind if WM7 is a failure |
| 04:56.36 | makkonen | I don't see how WM7 won't be a failure at this point. This late in the game, isn't it already a failure? |
| 04:56.41 | gehzumteufel | Plus, it is shit for a phone OS in general. It is basically Win 3.1 on sterroids. Which isn't saying much |
| 04:56.53 | makkonen | I don't know... I guess Palm dropped WebOS. no one was expecting that. companies can step up their game. |
| 04:57.02 | gehzumteufel | Exactly |
| 04:57.28 | gehzumteufel | While yes, it was a failure not to act earlier, companies can change if they have the desire to. |
| 04:57.38 | gehzumteufel | If their management has the desire to be something greater |
| 04:59.59 | makkonen | in its day, winmo was a great mobile os, compared to the other choices. it was never a good phone os. I dropped my treo 650 to get a htc apache, and it was a trainwreck of a phone (would take about 3 rings before you could even click the answer button), but I could multitask, I could browse the web without flying into a rage... and now my touch pro is nearly the exact same thing, 4 years later. |
| 05:00.43 | makkonen | if I had a point in there, I lost it. |
| 05:02.20 | makkonen | windows mobile is stagnant. and has always been broken. |
| 05:02.43 | gehzumteufel | But never as bad as the PalmOS |
| 05:02.57 | gehzumteufel | And the BB OS is only slightly better than the old PalmOS imho |
| 05:03.16 | gehzumteufel | one thing I am with you on, is Java being shit for an OS |
| 05:03.20 | makkonen | it's really bad. |
| 05:03.30 | makkonen | both of those things are really bad. java and blackberry. |
| 05:03.34 | gehzumteufel | lol yes |
| 05:03.38 | gehzumteufel | Native code ftw |
| 05:04.30 | gehzumteufel | I know one person who loves Java. But he also works for Boeing |
| 05:05.05 | gehzumteufel | He knows how to code very well and be very clean with it |
| 05:06.03 | makkonen | I believe good java code can be written. But I see so few things in java that work well... it must be really hard to do. |
| 05:06.38 | MrPippy | i think android would be more responsive if they did something to manage the background processes |
| 05:06.42 | gehzumteufel | I think moreso, there just aren't many coders that care about writing good code |
| 05:06.56 | gehzumteufel | MrPippy: ala a task manager? |
| 05:07.15 | makkonen | I don't understand how it manages the background processes. There seem to be a great many of them at all times. |
| 05:07.26 | MrPippy | yeah, or some kind of timeout (like apps quit after 5 minutes of no user interaction) |
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| 05:08.14 | MrPippy | anything would be better (even a mandated quit button in each app) than it is now |
| 05:08.30 | gehzumteufel | Yeah |
| 05:08.49 | gehzumteufel | There are task manager apps in the market, but only for rooted devices |
| 05:09.45 | MrPippy | really they only work on rooted devices? |
| 05:10.01 | gehzumteufel | It is the only way to for close an app |
| 05:10.08 | gehzumteufel | sudo or su access |
| 05:10.43 | gehzumteufel | At least that is what they used to be |
| 05:10.51 | gehzumteufel | I am looking at one now that doesn't seem to require root access |
| 05:12.05 | gehzumteufel | The one that comes with xdandroid works well too though |
| 05:12.12 | gehzumteufel | I just don't know if it requires root access or not |
| 05:12.58 | MrPippy | yeah thats the top one on the market |
| 05:29.19 | gehzumteufel | Well I am off. Talk to yall later |
| 05:57.42 | adamw | android's intended to start killing apps when you run out of memory. not sure how well it works, though. |
| 05:57.57 | adamw | poking through settings last night I noticed one which is supposed to make it more aggressive about killing stuff. |
| 05:58.14 | adamw | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/Settings.System.html#ALWAYS_FINISH_ACTIVITIES |
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| 07:34.40 | MrPippy | ooh got hw 3d working in eclair |
| 07:34.54 | Zeman4323 | sweet! |
| 07:35.09 | Unholy | omfg |
| 07:35.11 | Unholy | nice |
| 07:35.24 | Unholy | jar of cookies for ya |
| 07:35.44 | Zeman4323 | yea, for sure that is fantastic |
| 07:43.36 | Unholy | hey mrpippy mind sharing that zimage with us XD? |
| 07:44.03 | MrPippy | yeah i'm gonna push the changes pretty soon, but it also needs a rootfs change |
| 07:45.35 | Unholy | nuoo |
| 07:45.53 | Zeman4323 | lol |
| 07:46.05 | Unholy | now il go back to eclair yay |
| 07:46.14 | Unholy | so much for my almost day goin back to donut |
| 07:46.20 | Unholy | gona miss you |
| 07:46.40 | MrPippy | honestly, 3d isn't that impressive on msm7x00...neocore is cool, and google street view works smoother, and theres some cool 3d wallpapers |
| 07:46.57 | Unholy | the gamez |
| 07:47.05 | MrPippy | it doesn't make eclair as fast as donut...damn donut runs well with all the ram we have now |
| 07:47.23 | Unholy | for some reason donut crashes with neocore |
| 07:47.30 | Unholy | it restarts my device 0o |
| 07:47.38 | Unholy | restarts* |
| 07:47.38 | MrPippy | weird |
| 07:47.45 | Unholy | ya |
| 07:48.01 | Unholy | gives me a black screen and just hangs there |
| 07:48.11 | Unholy | if i run it again it restarts my phone |
| 07:48.14 | MrPippy | neocore was rock solid in donut for me, in eclair it quits sometimes but works mostly |
| 07:48.22 | Unholy | i see |
| 07:48.40 | Unholy | yea neocore worked for me with the old zimages way back when donut was all we had |
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| 07:49.17 | Unholy | hey btw would 1.5 even run with latest zimage im curious to try it |
| 07:49.18 | MrPippy | oh yeah....phh only put the donut 3d driver back into zimage yesterday |
| 07:51.20 | Unholy | ah and what about the gsensor it dosent seem to work with donut |
| 07:52.35 | MrPippy | worked for me |
| 07:52.52 | Unholy | with the new zimage? |
| 07:53.00 | MrPippy | yeah |
| 07:53.19 | Unholy | hmm |
| 07:53.41 | Unholy | dont work here |
| 07:53.52 | Unholy | could it be the build im ussing? |
| 07:54.01 | Unholy | i mean system img |
| 07:54.31 | Unholy | thr ball in labyrinth is like frozen dosent move |
| 07:57.19 | MrPippy | hmm i just tried rotating the screen and that worked, don't know about labyrinth |
| 07:57.59 | Unholy | screen rotation not working ether |
| 07:58.06 | Unholy | and i have orientation on |
| 07:59.21 | Unholy | meh w/e il just switch back to eclair |
| 07:59.42 | Unholy | now that its got hw3d i got more reasons to stay with it |
| 08:16.48 | Unholy | gn guys gona hit the sack |
| 08:17.04 | Unholy | gl mrpippy |
| 08:17.11 | MrPippy | later |
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| 08:37.28 | bzo | MrPippy: saw your commit. The only problem was the overlapping ram console? |
| 08:38.10 | MrPippy | yeah i think that was part of it, also permissions weren't set right on the hw3d devices |
| 08:39.03 | bzo | cool, knew about the perms because the vogue needed an init change to enable 3d |
| 08:39.22 | bzo | funny thing is phh mentioned that nobody noticed the ovelap problem a few days ago |
| 08:39.58 | bzo | in fact, I fixed it in my source at that time, but it got wiped out when I did a pull |
| 08:40.44 | MrPippy | yeah i did 3d in donut and it wasn't a problem, but in eclair the boot animation didn't show up and neocore was just black |
| 08:41.08 | MrPippy | phh, babijoee, leob: to get hw3d working in eclair i replaced init.android in rootfs with one i compiled from the eclair source, so it sets permissions right on /dev/msm_hw3d*. vogue is handling this by running a chmod script at boot, so it might be fixable with a line in /init |
| 08:41.48 | bzo | I think there is a fixperm script in int for this purpose? |
| 08:44.08 | MrPippy | you can't do it immediately in /init because i think init.android makes the device nodes, but a 'sleep 1m ; chmod 666 /dev/msm_hw3d*' might work |
| 08:44.11 | bzo | well, I was definately going down the wrong path for the problem. I thought the problem was that the IMEM_CLK and GRP_CLK was using the same mask. Still wonder if this is incorrect in the source |
| 08:44.27 | MrPippy | but really, init.android is supposed to do this, unless we have a good reason to use an old one we should upgrade it |
| 08:44.51 | MrPippy | yeah that wasn't a bad path, i certainly know more about the clocks than i did yesterday |
| 08:47.15 | bzo | I think what dzo fixed for vogue for that register might be more correct than what we have now |
| 08:48.39 | bzo | anyways, glad that's another issue solved! :) |
| 08:49.11 | MrPippy | i think ours is ok, i looked at the register in wince/haret and it was 4a80, which lines up with what we do |
| 08:50.21 | MrPippy | our setup is kinda weird in combining grp and imem when we know how to keep them separate, but its not a problem...in hw3d, grp and imem clk are always enabled or disabled together |
| 08:51.54 | bzo | I guess no reason to fix something that isn't broken |
| 08:51.59 | Paul_Ishenin | how to test that hw3d fix? I noticed that 3d is indeed slow witg 04.02 build |
| 08:52.57 | Paul_Ishenin | should I download the sources using git and build somehow the binaries or is there a simplie way? |
| 08:56.25 | MrPippy | yeah its good to know how to build a kernel, but the fix is more than just the kernel, by tomorrow we'll figure out something |
| 08:56.55 | bzo | looks like the glemsom auto build service has picked up this change http://glemsom.anapnea.net/android/htc-msm-android/ |
| 08:58.06 | bzo | If you really want to try it, you can use that kernel, then adb shell into android after it boots to fix the perms: chmod a+rw /dev/msm_hw* |
| 09:00.30 | Paul_Ishenin | how to shell into android? using putty? |
| 09:00.40 | bzo | btw, MrPippy any reason not to make the gpu0 size 0x780000? ramconsole is only 20000 right? |
| 09:01.12 | MrPippy | yeah true |
| 09:01.23 | MrPippy | i'll just keep it round and obvious until someone finds an app that allocates that much ram |
| 09:01.51 | bzo | unless there is an issue with that weird size |
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| 09:06.03 | Paul_Ishenin | I see adb is a part of android sdk |
| 09:09.40 | bzo | I don't know if it is comparable, but it seems that the n1 only sets the gpu mem to 0x300000 |
| 09:11.49 | MrPippy | no its not, snapdragon has a better gpu and different driver |
| 09:12.34 | MrPippy | but heroc has 7MB gpu0 and 8MB gpu1 |
| 09:12.47 | bzo | makes sense. Perhaps the snapdragon does some sort of dynamic allocation, like modern integrated gpus |
| 09:14.43 | bzo | yawn, better get to sleep. Just happened to check the logs after your checkin and had to pop in :) |
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| 09:42.16 | randomblame | I'm not good with this |
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| 09:48.11 | Paul_Ishenin | strange I see on my phone that usb debugging is on but "adb devices" shows me no devices |
| 09:48.25 | Paul_Ishenin | and of course adb shell can't connect |
| 09:48.34 | Paul_Ishenin | any hints? |
| 09:50.33 | randomblame | I have no experience with a running android platform :D |
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| 09:51.51 | randomblame | what phone is it? |
| 09:51.59 | randomblame | what kernel are you using? |
| 09:52.44 | Paul_Ishenin | diamond |
| 09:53.14 | Paul_Ishenin | kernel - top from this list: http://glemsom.anapnea.net/android/htc-msm-android/ |
| 09:54.09 | randomblame | should be working if you used the correct mtype : at least at the kernel level |
| 09:54.31 | Paul_Ishenin | aha. someone already reported "adb still not working even changing usb_function_switch flag in conf" |
| 09:55.37 | randomblame | :D my kernel is still not bootable |
| 09:56.30 | rzk | Paul_Ishenin: hello from 4pda ;) |
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| 10:52.21 | phh | [02:57:13] <pershoot> hi all. can anyone help me to figure out a 550MHZ clock frequency within acpuclock.c (clkctl_acpu_speed acpu_freq_tbl)? <------ don't you want 768? It's way easier to do :D |
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| 10:59.30 | phh | [04:00:39] <gehzumteufel> phh said it was broken <------ had been broken |
| 11:00.23 | phh | [05:35:36] <babijoee> zImages based on phhusson git no longer are made for donut <------- they are meant for donut now actually :D |
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| 11:03.31 | randomblame | how do you teach a cat to stay out of your computer chair |
| 11:04.58 | randomblame | I'm leaving out the antifreeze |
| 11:11.15 | lupine_85 | gets confused by the variety of userlands on offer |
| 11:11.32 | phh | [08:45:55] <MrPippy> ooh got hw 3d working in eclair <--- WTH ?!? |
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| 11:13.36 | phh | [10:24:03] <bzo> makes sense. Perhaps the snapdragon does some sort of dynamic allocation, like modern integrated gpus <------ msm7k also does that |
| 11:13.46 | phh | (but snapdragon uses drm/gem for that) |
| 11:14.21 | phh | [10:59:28] <Paul_Ishenin> strange I see on my phone that usb debugging is on but "adb devices" shows me no devices <----- use adb from sdk of android 1.6 |
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| 11:19.19 | playdo | morning |
| 11:19.57 | Paul_Ishenin | phh, big thanks |
| 11:20.13 | phh | Paul_Ishenin: if you're too lazy, http://husson.hd.Free.fr/adb :p |
| 11:21.24 | Paul_Ishenin | oh, but thats elf file. do you have pe one? |
| 11:21.44 | phh | ah, no |
| 11:21.46 | Paul_Ishenin | anyways, thanks for your care |
| 11:23.04 | playdo | phh: is there a new build available yet? |
| 11:23.23 | phh | MrPippy: For Eclair hw3d, I had to make gpu0 smaller so it wouldn't run into ramconsole. <----- but ?!? I did try this ! |
| 11:24.30 | playdo | ah nice, 3d driver is working? |
| 11:25.00 | phh | playdo: on donut yes, and MrPippy says he got it working on eclair |
| 11:25.21 | phh | but I can hardly believe it. I test. |
| 11:25.31 | phh | and maybe release something if it works |
| 11:25.38 | playdo | i test too, taking this kernel http://glemsom.anapnea.net/android/htc-msm-android/ |
| 11:25.44 | phh | (it's a too line test) |
| 11:25.55 | phh | playdo: you'll have to do adb shell chmod a+rw /dev/msm_hw3d* |
| 11:26.06 | playdo | ah for acticating? |
| 11:26.10 | phh | yes |
| 11:26.14 | phh | adb shell or whatever terminal |
| 11:26.22 | playdo | k, running windows atm |
| 11:27.00 | playdo | gotta transfer data do my netbook.will take some time until testing |
| 11:27.18 | Paul_Ishenin | but how to check that hw 3d is working? |
| 11:27.28 | phh | Paul_Ishenin: run any 3D app, if it's usable, then it's hw. |
| 11:27.29 | Paul_Ishenin | I used that kernel and made chmod using pterminal |
| 11:27.46 | phh | Paul_Ishenin: do killall system_server to restart android (not kernel) |
| 11:27.52 | phh | if you see the startup logo |
| 11:27.54 | phh | it might mean it works |
| 11:28.07 | phh | (I think you need to restart android to enable 3D) |
| 11:28.19 | phh | (but the chmod doesn't apply after a kernel reboot :p) |
| 11:28.22 | Paul_Ishenin | oh. did not do that |
| 11:28.27 | phh | argh, maybe not after an android reboot either |
| 11:28.32 | playdo | dammit |
| 11:28.45 | playdo | no way to enable 3d perm? |
| 11:28.51 | Paul_Ishenin | anyway labirinth is a dead slow when using 3d |
| 11:28.53 | phh | adb shell :p |
| 11:28.59 | phh | Paul_Ishenin: killall system_server |
| 11:29.02 | phh | might be better after that. |
| 11:30.06 | Paul_Ishenin | operation not permited |
| 11:30.12 | phh | su -c |
| 11:30.22 | Paul_Ishenin | does it have sudo? |
| 11:30.27 | phh | no |
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| 11:31.35 | phh | argh |
| 11:31.37 | phh | who broke my adb |
| 11:31.46 | Paul_Ishenin | hehe :) |
| 11:31.59 | phh | NB: trying eclair's 3D with a donut release isn't really clever. |
| 11:43.07 | phh | ok |
| 11:43.10 | phh | who broke my adb ? |
| 11:43.17 | phh | I gonna break his knees. |
| 11:43.45 | phh | ok. that is weird. |
| 11:43.48 | dcordes | phh, breaking knees cannot be the answer |
| 11:44.01 | phh | I extracted eclair's system.sqsh, and I get a starting donut. |
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| 11:44.16 | phh | I'll eat, that may helps my mind. |
| 11:46.09 | dcordes | phh, good idea |
| 11:46.23 | dcordes | I think I will eat a club sandwich |
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| 11:48.12 | playdo | i'm getting tomatosoup, lamb-steak and potatoes :) |
| 11:48.22 | playdo | makes the others jealous |
| 11:48.27 | leobaillard | \o_ |
| 11:48.33 | dcordes | playboyzay, sounds good. but I bet the club sandwich is better |
| 11:48.39 | dcordes | it's actually a sub |
| 11:49.05 | playdo | bah |
| 11:51.08 | playdo | searches his micro sd |
| 11:51.20 | dcordes | playboyzay, I think I meant playdo. don't take it personal. |
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| 11:51.27 | dcordes | lool microsd searching |
| 11:52.07 | playdo | dcrodes that sucks ^^ fucking small thingys |
| 11:53.11 | playdo | omg the card lay behind my laptop |
| 11:53.23 | playdo | stupid $%*§"% |
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| 12:06.13 | playdo_ | booting |
| 12:06.39 | playdo_ | dammit, can someone kick playdo? ^^ |
| 12:06.46 | playdo_ | lost connection |
| 12:07.05 | playdo_ | phh |
| 12:07.08 | phh | playdo_: ? |
| 12:07.10 | randomblame | kicks playdo in the nuts |
| 12:07.18 | playdo_ | phh can u repost the adb commands? |
| 12:07.32 | phh | adb shell chmod a+rw /dev/msm_hw\* |
| 12:07.36 | playdo_ | randomblame: looool |
| 12:07.47 | playdo_ | thx phh |
| 12:07.53 | randomblame | finally got my git repository figured out, that is way harder than it has to be |
| 12:08.11 | phh | playdo_: do adb wait-for-device shell chmod a+rw /dev/msm_hw\* |
| 12:08.14 | phh | and then boot android |
| 12:08.32 | playdo_ | argh i think i need some help with that |
| 12:08.42 | playdo_ | shall i do it under windows or linux? |
| 12:08.54 | phh | if it's windows, delete the \ |
| 12:09.05 | phh | but both should be fine |
| 12:11.31 | playdo_ | hmm is the startup assistant new? |
| 12:11.56 | phh | startup assistant ? |
| 12:12.03 | phh | touchscreen calibration stuff ? |
| 12:12.06 | playdo_ | with wlan and so on |
| 12:12.10 | phh | mmmmmmmmuh ? |
| 12:12.17 | playdo_ | nono i'm using touch hd |
| 12:12.35 | playdo_ | no idea, it prompted with wlan conection the first time i know |
| 12:12.39 | phh | playdo_: that's what it does when it detects on mobile data connection |
| 12:12.47 | playdo_ | Oo |
| 12:12.52 | playdo_ | never done this before |
| 12:12.55 | phh | s/on/no/ |
| 12:13.20 | playdo_ | normally it connected to my provider and thats it |
| 12:13.40 | phh | maybe you pressed the connect button before it got a connection |
| 12:13.51 | playdo_ | possible |
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| 12:18.09 | playdo | phh can u give me a detailed howtro with adb thing? |
| 12:18.25 | phh | I don't know for windows |
| 12:18.54 | phh | playdo: but don't worry, leobaillard will have it released soon |
| 12:18.56 | playdo | then give it for linux, got dual boot |
| 12:19.02 | playdo | ah k |
| 12:19.44 | playdo | ok i'm going to eat something, trying it later |
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| 12:31.09 | chamonix | phh: fixed |
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| 12:31.14 | phh | chamonix: what ? |
| 12:31.29 | chamonix | sleep_effects and a few other things in LedEffects |
| 12:31.33 | phh | ah ok |
| 12:35.48 | leobaillard | chamonix: you have a new version ? |
| 12:49.51 | pershoot | anyone familiar with acpuclock.c tbl frquency layout? |
| 12:50.04 | phh | pershoot: yup |
| 12:50.10 | pershoot | can you please help me for a sec? |
| 12:50.24 | phh | maybe. |
| 12:50.41 | pershoot | i want to attain a 550MHZ clock on my mach-msm (htc dream) device. |
| 12:50.58 | phh | 550 ? mmmm not easy |
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| 12:52.13 | pershoot | which field is the divisor? |
| 12:52.34 | phh | a11clk_src_div |
| 12:53.07 | pershoot | hmm which column would that be? here ill paste an entry from it |
| 12:53.18 | phh | 4th |
| 12:53.31 | playdo | phh can u niw give a short explanation to activate hw3d? |
| 12:53.52 | phh | playdo: killall -9 adb; sudo adb start-server |
| 12:53.54 | phh | then the command I gave you |
| 12:54.03 | phh | anyway it will be slow, wait for my next commit. |
| 12:54.47 | playdo | hmm sad, thought it would work well |
| 12:55.10 | pershoot | how is the frequency and bus calculated? |
| 12:55.11 | phh | pershoot: can't you just try 768MHz ? :p |
| 12:55.18 | pershoot | 768 wont be stable |
| 12:55.20 | pershoot | hehe |
| 12:55.29 | pershoot | it has been observed that 550 can run stable |
| 12:55.33 | pershoot | on this particular device |
| 12:55.38 | phh | pershoot: really ? |
| 12:55.40 | pershoot | ya |
| 12:55.47 | phh | 768 works on TP and blackstone afaik |
| 12:55.51 | pershoot | i have asked the person for the source entry, but have not receieved a response |
| 12:55.56 | phh | (so android phones really totally suck) |
| 12:57.09 | pershoot | yea this g1 of mine is starting to show its age for sure, ha |
| 12:57.51 | phh | TP and blackstone are way older than G1 you know. |
| 12:57.54 | pershoot | the software is developing at an alarming rate, which is a good thing. but i digress |
| 12:57.57 | pershoot | yea |
| 12:58.08 | phh | (and way better) |
| 12:58.11 | pershoot | probly |
| 12:58.37 | playdo | G1 shows worse performance than blackstone or what |
| 12:58.41 | playdo | ? |
| 12:59.06 | phh | pershoot: don't you have TCX0/PLL* frequencies in your dmesg ? |
| 12:59.10 | pershoot | that im not sure. with some tweaks it can keep up. but since its crippled in memory, eventually things starts to bog it down. |
| 12:59.13 | pershoot | let me check |
| 12:59.44 | phh | [ 0.267822] PLL0 @ e0005300: MODE=00000007 L=0000000c M=00000004 N=00000005 freq=245760000 Hz (245 MHz) |
| 12:59.44 | phh | [ 0.267913] PLL1 @ e000531c: MODE=00000007 L=00000028 M=00000000 N=00000001 freq=768000000 Hz (768 MHz) |
| 12:59.44 | phh | [ 0.268005] PLL2 @ e0005338: MODE=00000007 L=00000037 M=00000000 N=00000001 freq=1056000000 Hz (1056 MHz) |
| 12:59.44 | phh | [ 0.268096] PLL3 @ e0005354: MODE=00000000 L=0000002d M=00000000 N=00000001 freq=864000000 Hz (864 MHz) |
| 12:59.55 | phh | that's on my board, iirc G1 has the same clocks |
| 13:02.01 | pershoot | brb.. |
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| 13:18.51 | phh | chamonix: any link for your update ? |
| 13:19.01 | phh | pershoot: I can't see how to do 550MHz with these clocks. |
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| 13:19.37 | phh | or you change pll, which is even harder to do |
| 13:19.46 | pershoot | yea i think thats what needs to be done |
| 13:19.49 | phh | or you derivate from another clock, but I don't have docs about that |
| 13:24.39 | playdo | phh do i have to install adb? cant find it |
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| 13:24.50 | phh | playdo: http://husson.hd.free.fr/adb :p |
| 13:25.54 | playdo | mcdull hey |
| 13:26.15 | slight | any recommendations for which radio to use with linux/eclair on a raph100? |
| 13:26.43 | phh | pershoot: you can try to set pll by hand, but it's really not easy. |
| 13:26.50 | phh | pershoot: but have you tried 768 ? |
| 13:27.07 | phh | it should work |
| 13:27.08 | pershoot | i havent, but others have |
| 13:27.09 | mcdull | phh, did try you new kernel. but didn't seems to make difference under neocore (eclair) |
| 13:27.17 | pershoot | immediate crash |
| 13:27.21 | mcdull | playdo, hii.. |
| 13:27.50 | playdo | mcdull i still dont get the deep sleep error |
| 13:28.24 | mcdull | playdo, phh seems to know where the problem is.. do I hope that could be fixed soon. |
| 13:28.31 | playdo | argh i'm too stupid to use adb |
| 13:28.41 | phh | mcdull: actually I don't. |
| 13:28.48 | phh | I have no clue what's this "arb lost" error |
| 13:29.22 | slight | is this what's causing a crash in deep sleep? or something else related to d/s |
| 13:29.23 | slight | ? |
| 13:29.25 | mcdull | oh that's bad.. |
| 13:29.30 | phh | slight: d/s ? |
| 13:29.44 | slight | deep sleep sory |
| 13:29.59 | slight | *sorry :p |
| 13:30.05 | phh | the problem mcdull reported is because of i2c bus screwed up |
| 13:30.35 | slight | ah k |
| 13:31.07 | slight | still getting no apparently useful info from last_kmsg about my deep sleep crashes :/ |
| 13:31.21 | mcdull | playdo, can you tell me your spl / radio setting? |
| 13:31.48 | playdo | mcdull: no prob, doing a restart now |
| 13:31.53 | mcdull | thx. |
| 13:32.27 | phh | pershoot: setting pll clocks is damn easy, but setting it to a working value is something else. |
| 13:32.46 | playdo | radio 1.14.25.24 |
| 13:33.02 | playdo | whats the second number again? |
| 13:33.14 | mcdull | spl? |
| 13:33.22 | phh | playdo: 1 ?!? |
| 13:33.29 | mcdull | did you use uspl or hspl? |
| 13:33.32 | phh | should be 52.14.25.24 |
| 13:33.46 | playdo | phh the radio? |
| 13:33.50 | phh | yes |
| 13:34.01 | playdo | wait. getting pen and paper |
| 13:34.12 | mcdull | umm.. in blackstone we uses 1.14 |
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| 13:34.38 | phh | mcdull: oh radio rom, not radio protocol |
| 13:34.48 | mcdull | oh.. I see. |
| 13:35.14 | slight | does anyone have a radio rom recommendation for raph100? i've searched xda devs and google but not found any references |
| 13:35.44 | playdo | just keep ur radio |
| 13:35.53 | playdo | elsewise u will mess up with calls etc |
| 13:36.13 | slight | i don't have the one the phone shipped with anyway |
| 13:36.14 | slight | but ok |
| 13:36.29 | playdo | mcdull: radio: 1.14.25.24 spl: 52.64..25 |
| 13:36.38 | slight | i'm just trying to find possible causes of the phone always crashing after about 15 mins of deep sleep |
| 13:36.43 | playdo | mcdull: radio: 1.14.25.24 spl: 52.64.25.34U |
| 13:36.47 | mcdull | phh, is the 3D now enabled in eclair? |
| 13:37.02 | phh | mcdull: with last kernel + chmod 666 /dev/msm_hw* |
| 13:37.39 | mcdull | do the chmod after boot is fine? |
| 13:37.56 | phh | don't know |
| 13:37.58 | playdo | slight: then search for the recommended radio in ur region |
| 13:38.27 | playdo | phh: what do i have to do for adb to work |
| 13:38.31 | slight | ok, but there're none that specifically play well with linux/android is all i mean |
| 13:38.36 | playdo | or can u explain mcdull? |
| 13:38.39 | phh | sudo adb start-server |
| 13:38.40 | slight | my radio works pretty well with winmo |
| 13:38.43 | phh | and it works. |
| 13:38.50 | playdo | nope |
| 13:39.27 | playdo | sudo adb start-server |
| 13:39.27 | playdo | sudo: adb: command not found |
| 13:39.40 | phh | bah copy it in your path .... |
| 13:39.45 | mcdull | playdo, did you use HSPL or USPL? |
| 13:40.12 | mcdull | I now donwload the SDK for linux.. |
| 13:40.15 | playdo | mcdull: i dont remember, but it could be uspl |
| 13:40.45 | Paul_Ishenin | phh, I see your commit which uses hw3d, but still no way to enable it. adb does not work here, pterminal hangs on su -c |
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| 13:41.06 | Paul_Ishenin | so I still don't see how to test hw3d :( |
| 13:42.41 | phh | just wait for a release then |
| 13:42.46 | mcdull | playdo, my windows 7 driver not compatible with usql.. could be hard for me. |
| 13:43.19 | playdo | dont got any old xp machine? |
| 13:43.31 | playdo | u did hspl or what mcdull? |
| 13:44.21 | phh | can anyone download http://rs716.rapidshare.com/files/324500825/Libs.zip ? |
| 13:45.32 | playdo | phh overload |
| 13:45.48 | phh | I know, but I meant does someone has a premium account :p |
| 13:47.14 | mcdull | oh.. adb not working on my ubuntu over vmware... |
| 13:48.14 | Paul_Ishenin | I see I'm not alone with adb |
| 13:48.14 | playdo | how do i copy it to p |
| 13:48.36 | playdo | phh shall i add the path of adb to my $PATH? |
| 13:48.38 | mcdull | playdo, you may just start from the file location. |
| 13:48.48 | mcdull | but you need ./adb instead of adb |
| 13:48.54 | phh | playdo: or put adb somewhere in your path ... |
| 13:49.01 | playdo | phh kthx |
| 13:49.43 | playdo | mcdull that doesnt work :( |
| 13:50.05 | mcdull | what doesn't work? |
| 13:50.43 | mcdull | playdo, just go to the tools folder and type ./adb |
| 13:51.06 | playdo | which sdk must i install? |
| 13:51.27 | mcdull | android sdk.. or else no adb would be installed automatically. |
| 13:51.53 | phh | using the adb link I gave is enough |
| 13:52.04 | playdo | phh no, it doesn'T work :( |
| 13:52.11 | mcdull | what error? |
| 13:52.12 | phh | playdo: that's how I use it ... |
| 13:52.21 | mcdull | oh.. chmod +x adb ? |
| 13:52.56 | phh | that's a real question ? |
| 13:53.19 | mcdull | just guess. |
| 13:53.32 | playdo | command not found, even if in $PATH |
| 13:54.12 | playdo | and i dont find an sdk |
| 13:54.24 | mcdull | if cant start in that folder (command not found) meaning it is not executable? |
| 13:55.17 | playdo | no idea, i'm still linux noob |
| 13:55.46 | mcdull | playdo, go to that folder and sudo chmod 755 adb |
| 13:55.58 | mcdull | I am noob as well. |
| 13:56.03 | playdo | ok i try |
| 13:56.39 | playdo | finally |
| 13:57.00 | playdo | and now? starting android? |
| 13:57.22 | mcdull | connected the usb wire and start haret. |
| 13:58.00 | playdo | active sync mode? |
| 13:58.11 | chamonix | phh & leobaillard : http://pjottrr.no-ip.org:81/redmine/projects/androidphh/boards/show/1 |
| 13:58.29 | playdo | ok starting haret |
| 13:59.52 | playdo | and now? did the command from phh and no errors |
| 14:00.14 | mcdull | adb devices |
| 14:00.19 | mcdull | show your device? |
| 14:00.36 | playdo | 000000000000 device attached |
| 14:00.47 | playdo | is that ok? |
| 14:00.51 | mcdull | that's fine, adb works. |
| 14:01.06 | phh | chamonix: argh |
| 14:01.08 | phh | rss doesn't show post updates |
| 14:01.50 | chamonix | awwwww |
| 14:03.26 | playdo | phh how to restart android? |
| 14:03.33 | phh | killall system_server |
| 14:04.05 | playdo | where? |
| 14:05.14 | playdo | theres no such process |
| 14:05.34 | mcdull | adb shell killall system_server ? |
| 14:05.56 | playdo | argh forgot "shell" |
| 14:06.22 | playdo | should there happen something in android? |
| 14:06.26 | mcdull | I still cant access to adb.. arrrrrrrr..... could be adb issue |
| 14:06.44 | playdo | w00t phone went black with backloght on |
| 14:07.17 | playdo | and now? |
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| 14:07.23 | chamonix | phh: I'll add a new post to the thread in future when there's something new |
| 14:07.29 | phh | chamonix: thanks :p |
| 14:07.32 | chamonix | :) |
| 14:08.10 | chamonix | there's one feature I still want to add to repeat notifications a certain nmber of times or indefinitely |
| 14:08.18 | mcdull | wine time for mcdull |
| 14:08.23 | chamonix | s/nmb/numb |
| 14:08.38 | playdo | yup |
| 14:08.46 | chamonix | and I still need to find a way to get braodcasts from gtalk |
| 14:09.25 | chamonix | do we have a graphic designer around? |
| 14:10.46 | playdo | mcdull whats now? phone doesnt react |
| 14:12.16 | mcdull | playdo, it may take quite a long time, or the phone will just freeze.. it happens. |
| 14:12.28 | Paul_Ishenin | who has good adb.exe? |
| 14:12.48 | playdo | exe? for windows? |
| 14:12.52 | Paul_Ishenin | yes |
| 14:13.07 | playdo | mcdull: can u give a time about "long" should take? ;D |
| 14:15.04 | phh | chamonix: that's a no :p |
| 14:15.43 | playdo | phh how should the phone react after syterm_server restart? |
| 14:15.48 | chamonix | I felt that way |
| 14:15.56 | phh | playdo: restart from splashscreen |
| 14:16.04 | phh | maybe reboot if radio screwed. |
| 14:16.17 | playdo | mh |
| 14:16.38 | playdo | ok i restart and try again |
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| 14:23.35 | playdo | i'm too lazy actually |
| 14:24.06 | phh | -_-' |
| 14:24.25 | phh | anyway, will be ready to upload soon. |
| 14:25.02 | phh | just needs a test actually :p |
| 14:27.31 | leobaillard | and it already doesn't work for at least one person |
| 14:27.37 | leobaillard | *sighs* |
| 14:28.29 | GNUtoo|oeee | leviathan, where are you? |
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| 14:32.22 | playdo | phh leobaillard: need a test fpr hw3d or what? |
| 14:32.25 | paul_mobile | phh, can you give a link once again to your adb elf file? |
| 14:32.35 | phh | http://husson.hd.free.fr/adb |
| 14:32.59 | paul_mobile | thanks |
| 14:33.51 | leobaillard | playdo: actually, I tested it and it didn't work for me :/ and I don't know why |
| 14:34.07 | playdo | device? or what didnt work? |
| 14:34.28 | paul_mobile | ok. now I'm trying on my linux. adb devices shows nothing again |
| 14:34.37 | leobaillard | playdo: DIAM100 |
| 14:35.01 | playdo | leabaillard: but u could activate it without probs? |
| 14:35.10 | playdo | -a + o |
| 14:35.19 | leobaillard | paul_mobile: did you boot android with usb connected, with activesync enabled and fast mode disabled ? did you use the phh binary ? |
| 14:35.44 | leobaillard | playdo: activate the hw3d ? |
| 14:35.53 | playdo | yep |
| 14:36.13 | paul_mobile | I boot android with usb connected and async enabled. no idea about fast mode. I showed me usb and debug icons on top |
| 14:36.14 | playdo | ok i give it another try |
| 14:36.36 | paul_mobile | now I moved my phone to my linux machine and using phh adb file |
| 14:36.58 | paul_mobile | and I don't see now usb connection and debug icons |
| 14:39.10 | playdo | phh is this correct: adb shell chmod a+rw /dev/msm_hw\* |
| 14:39.21 | phh | playdo: should be. |
| 14:40.11 | playdo | phh and what should happen after system_server is killed? |
| 14:40.26 | phh | playdo: I already said it three times.... |
| 14:40.33 | playdo | but my phone just hangs |
| 14:41.15 | playdo | damn it just wents black |
| 14:42.02 | IceBone | Wow, my phone still hasn't crashed! |
| 14:43.09 | phh | IceBone: and that's miraculous ? |
| 14:43.25 | IceBone | Well, the previous builds were all crashing after 5-6 hours. |
| 14:43.30 | phh | ah |
| 14:43.42 | IceBone | 44 hours now. |
| 14:43.48 | phh | huhu |
| 14:43.53 | playdo | phh: hw3d doesnt seem to work |
| 14:43.54 | phh | I can't get it working that long |
| 14:44.02 | phh | playdo: wow, that's precise. |
| 14:44.15 | phh | IceBone: you succeed not trying any new kernel for more than one day ? :p |
| 14:44.23 | playdo | phh: |
| 14:44.26 | playdo | [15:41:15] <playdo> damn it just wents black |
| 14:44.29 | IceBone | phh: :D |
| 14:44.35 | phh | playdo: with correct kernel ? |
| 14:44.38 | playdo | backlight on and nothing else |
| 14:44.47 | playdo | kernel from 07.2. |
| 14:45.07 | playdo | or which one should i use phh= |
| 14:45.12 | phh | there have been plenty of kernels today. |
| 14:45.32 | IceBone | phh: I'm on the 04.02. build. If the new ones work better, I'm game. But if it's just bug fixes, then I'll skip for now. |
| 14:45.44 | playdo | can u give me the link phh? dont got it under linux firefox |
| 14:45.55 | phh | which link ? |
| 14:46.02 | playdo | to kernel image |
| 14:46.07 | playdo | kernel to use i mean sry |
| 14:46.10 | phh | http://glemsom.anapnea.net/android/htc-msm-android/ |
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| 14:47.52 | playdo | phh i'm running on htc-msm-android@20100207_092412 |
| 14:48.05 | playdo | shall i try the newer one? |
| 14:48.10 | phh | yes. |
| 14:48.22 | IceBone | phh: all the people commenting on the kernels being fastest yet. Could it be that after running for a while, the phone's performance diminishes and then with the new kernel it's no faster than with a reboot? |
| 14:48.34 | IceBone | Or is it actually getting progressively faster? |
| 14:48.49 | phh | IceBone: or stupid people. |
| 14:48.53 | IceBone | Or that. |
| 14:50.22 | IceBone | Hmm... if I'm reading this correctly, the latest builds have hardware 3D? |
| 14:50.35 | phh | yes but no. |
| 14:50.59 | IceBone | 15:44:12 <phh> playdo: wow, that's precise. |
| 14:51.03 | playdo | ok i'm rebootiung with newer kernel |
| 14:51.05 | phh | IceBone: :p |
| 14:51.19 | phh | IceBone: we always had hardware 3D |
| 14:51.30 | phh | what's new is that we have the necessary fixes for eclair |
| 14:51.35 | phh | but it also needs userland changes |
| 14:52.20 | IceBone | Does this hw acceleration fall on UI as well? Or just actual 3D? |
| 14:52.47 | phh | actual 3D + nexus' home + splashscreen |
| 14:52.57 | phh | GROUMPF |
| 14:53.03 | phh | I need to download 2.1 sources |
| 14:54.20 | IceBone | So no speed increase for the UI. Poop. |
| 14:54.25 | IceBone | I'll pass for now. |
| 14:54.35 | playdo | phh: just the same with the new kernel atm. phone wents black with backlight on |
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| 14:59.51 | phh | hi BabelO |
| 14:59.53 | phh | babijoee* |
| 14:59.55 | phh | (one day I'll succeed.) |
| 15:00.01 | IceBone | :D |
| 15:00.14 | IceBone | I've no idea what you're talking about philipgian. :P |
| 15:00.21 | phh | babijoee: can you give me your (nexus) /system/lib/libRS.so and /system/lib/librs_jni.so ? |
| 15:00.41 | babijoee | hi phh |
| 15:00.48 | babijoee | lol |
| 15:00.52 | babijoee | Babel0 feels loved |
| 15:01.05 | babijoee | yeah i'll get those for you now :) |
| 15:01.30 | IceBone | hey, babijoee, how's your battery? |
| 15:01.36 | babijoee | nexus? |
| 15:01.42 | IceBone | yeah |
| 15:01.48 | babijoee | very good |
| 15:01.55 | IceBone | new one or fixed? |
| 15:01.55 | babijoee | 2 days full use |
| 15:02.01 | babijoee | i dont use new one |
| 15:02.02 | babijoee | :p |
| 15:02.11 | babijoee | got it fixed via radio update |
| 15:02.20 | IceBone | cool |
| 15:02.28 | babijoee | might use the extended one |
| 15:02.33 | babijoee | give me more uptime :) |
| 15:03.30 | IceBone | Well, with the 04.02. build I'm on 44 hours uptime (had to charge it 4 times during that, though. :D) |
| 15:04.26 | babijoee | lol |
| 15:04.28 | babijoee | nice |
| 15:04.54 | IceBone | Up to 02.02. it kept crashing after 5-6 hours. |
| 15:04.56 | playdo | phh: tried it again with no luck. phone just doesnt react any more |
| 15:04.59 | IceBone | So, kudos to all of you. |
| 15:06.18 | mcdull | playdo, you said you update with sdcard right? |
| 15:06.47 | playdo | yup |
| 15:07.08 | mcdull | so it means you must be using Hard spl? |
| 15:07.13 | babijoee | phh: http://htcandroid.xland.cz/librs.7z |
| 15:07.18 | phh | thanks |
| 15:07.24 | mcdull | or you load the USPL everytime and unplug and start update? |
| 15:07.43 | babijoee | nps |
| 15:07.51 | playdo | if i update, i just have to put the sdcard in and the rest works itseld |
| 15:07.57 | babijoee | wat are they/ |
| 15:07.59 | babijoee | ? |
| 15:08.01 | playdo | does that mean i have hspl? |
| 15:08.16 | phh | babijoee: something needed for launcher2 |
| 15:08.28 | babijoee | oo whats that :p |
| 15:08.58 | phh | babijoee: N1's home |
| 15:09.13 | babijoee | ooo |
| 15:09.29 | IceBone | wait wait... 5 screen home on diamond? |
| 15:09.34 | babijoee | well if you need anymore file dumps i'm happy to provide :p |
| 15:09.45 | phh | IceBone: maybe. |
| 15:09.53 | babijoee | IceBone: you can already do that with apps :) |
| 15:09.54 | IceBone | I think I have an erection. |
| 15:10.12 | IceBone | babijoee: yeah, but you get a load of useless shit along with it. I just need the 5 screens and NOTHING EXTRA. |
| 15:10.22 | babijoee | ah k |
| 15:10.44 | IceBone | I keep trying these apps and then see all the other shit and go "oh, ffs... UNINSTALL!!" |
| 15:11.03 | phh | IceBone: N1's launcher has also some others features I think. |
| 15:11.04 | mcdull | playdo, if you using update from sdcard and no need usb, it should be hspl. |
| 15:11.15 | IceBone | phh: hmm... such as? |
| 15:11.21 | phh | don't know :p |
| 15:11.25 | IceBone | :P |
| 15:11.30 | IceBone | When can I try it? |
| 15:11.35 | babijoee | phh: you think it can handle nexus one home? |
| 15:11.40 | playdo | mcdull: ok then its hspl. so does that help u some way? |
| 15:11.44 | phh | babijoee: G1 can. |
| 15:11.54 | babijoee | link? |
| 15:12.06 | mcdull | I didn't flash yet.. as I have quite a lot to backup.. |
| 15:12.29 | playdo | what data? i store everything on my sd card |
| 15:12.29 | mcdull | and need to start working 8 hours later.... (bad mood on monday) |
| 15:13.05 | mcdull | playdo, settings in program.. |
| 15:13.27 | mcdull | hungry again. |
| 15:13.31 | playdo | mh ok mcdull. i'm more used to flashing new systems ^ |
| 15:13.32 | playdo | ^^ |
| 15:14.12 | playdo | damn, i fucking forgot 100 cds/dvds when i was in holiday |
| 15:17.25 | IceBone | http://pic.phyrefile.com/t/th/the_interceptor/2010/02/07/Kid_penis_point.gif |
| 15:17.25 | IceBone | wtf |
| 15:17.52 | mcdull | playdo, you lost them? |
| 15:18.10 | playdo | yup, are still standing behind the ty in the hotel room i guess |
| 15:18.17 | playdo | nothing to burn on atm :( |
| 15:18.26 | mcdull | why you bring them over to holiday? |
| 15:18.34 | mcdull | ha.. pron dvds? |
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| 15:25.18 | phh | launcher2 seems to be starting. |
| 15:25.43 | phh | ah right, no it's not |
| 15:32.13 | babijoee | :( wats actually happening? fc? |
| 15:32.21 | playdo | mcdull: nah, no pron :D but intetionally brought for burning snowboard vids |
| 15:34.22 | playdo | y |
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| 15:37.15 | Unholy | do i have to delete data.img to make hw3d work with the new zimage?(on eclair) |
| 15:38.37 | phh | babijoee: segfault while loading librs |
| 15:38.48 | phh | Unholy: no you just need a new rootfs.img. |
| 15:39.11 | babijoee | h3d working ??? |
| 15:39.18 | Unholy | on eclair yes |
| 15:39.22 | Unholy | mrpippy fixed it |
| 15:39.30 | babijoee | ooo link?? |
| 15:39.34 | phh | Unholy: not fully, I had to finish the work |
| 15:39.37 | phh | babijoee: wait :p |
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| 15:39.43 | Unholy | ah k |
| 15:39.52 | babijoee | cools |
| 15:39.55 | Unholy | so the zimage alone wont do the trick XD |
| 15:39.57 | babijoee | i'll update first post soon |
| 15:40.01 | phh | I'm trying to get launcher2 running before uploading |
| 15:40.09 | Unholy | 0_0 |
| 15:40.10 | Unholy | nice |
| 15:40.12 | babijoee | ooo |
| 15:40.23 | phh | Unholy: the change for rootfs.img was already known before |
| 15:40.40 | phh | but we couldn't apply it before without breaking much things |
| 15:40.50 | Unholy | yea i know, but i though mrpippy did something so that wasent needed |
| 15:40.55 | phh | no |
| 15:40.57 | babijoee | phh: does system run any smoother now that hw3d is working? i know you told me last time it didnt but i'm just curious |
| 15:41.14 | phh | babijoee: don't know |
| 15:41.19 | phh | it's not impossible it's |
| 15:42.56 | phh | D/dalvikvm(13765): Making a copy of Lcom/android/launcher2/AllAppsView;.dumpState code (860 bytes) |
| 15:42.57 | phh | V/RenderScript_jni(13765): createRenderScript |
| 15:42.57 | phh | D/dalvikvm(13765): Trying to load lib /system/lib/librs_jni.so 0x0 |
| 15:42.57 | phh | D/dalvikvm(13765): Added shared lib /system/lib/librs_jni.so 0x0 |
| 15:42.57 | phh | I/ActivityManager( 1188): Process com.android.launcher2 (pid 13765) has died. |
| 15:42.58 | phh | D/Zygote ( 1170): Process 13765 terminated by signal (11) |
| 15:43.02 | phh | that's basically what happens |
| 15:43.37 | phh | I think it actuallly needs a whole 2.1 package |
| 15:43.42 | phh | so that will be for an other release. |
| 15:44.05 | Unholy | wont that make eclair slower? |
| 15:44.10 | Unholy | the launcher2 |
| 15:44.15 | phh | Unholy: don't know |
| 15:44.20 | phh | uses 3D accel instead of 2D accel |
| 15:44.26 | phh | which is a totally different hardware |
| 15:44.27 | Unholy | i see |
| 15:44.37 | Unholy | and ram i bet |
| 15:45.03 | phh | ram what ? |
| 15:45.14 | Unholy | the launcher wont that eat more ram? |
| 15:45.17 | phh | ah |
| 15:45.18 | phh | don't know |
| 15:45.26 | phh | most likely actually. |
| 15:47.04 | babijoee | ah k |
| 15:47.08 | Unholy | phh could the original launcher fiddle launcher2? to make it not want to start/run? |
| 15:47.24 | phh | no |
| 15:47.28 | Unholy | k |
| 15:47.48 | babijoee | just wait for froyo or use home++ |
| 15:48.04 | babijoee | phh: why do you want launcher2 :p |
| 15:48.13 | phh | don't know :p |
| 15:48.31 | Unholy | its coolz? |
| 15:48.34 | babijoee | honestly its just eye candy that uses valuable time |
| 15:49.19 | babijoee | can you link me new rootfs? |
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| 15:50.11 | phh | babijoee: not uploaded yet |
| 15:50.21 | phh | and I'm also doing some wifi+ramzswap changes |
| 15:50.39 | Unholy | wohoo |
| 15:50.44 | phh | Unholy: ? |
| 15:50.53 | Unholy | nothing lol |
| 15:50.59 | phh | ok. |
| 15:51.11 | Unholy | oh btwthe old calibration file is that still needed for eclair? |
| 15:51.24 | babijoee | ok no rush :p |
| 15:51.41 | phh | Unholy: yes |
| 15:51.45 | babijoee | calibration is for wifi :p |
| 15:51.58 | Unholy | ah dang ok |
| 15:52.06 | babijoee | its only 700bytes |
| 15:52.35 | Unholy | its not about space, i was just checking my sd card and the file is gone |
| 15:52.40 | Unholy | for no reason |
| 15:52.59 | babijoee | ? |
| 15:53.01 | Unholy | and yesterday i ran donut and it seems it dint generate the file |
| 15:53.18 | babijoee | depends on which version of donut you ran |
| 15:53.35 | babijoee | you'll need to run the wifi one linked on glemsom autobuild |
| 15:54.07 | Unholy | along with its own zimage,rootfs? |
| 15:54.14 | babijoee | yeah |
| 15:54.19 | Unholy | crap ok |
| 15:54.52 | phh | Unholy: ah sorry, the answer to your previous question is no actually. |
| 15:54.54 | babijoee | Unholy: you should be able to use the one in the xdandroid packages |
| 15:55.23 | babijoee | oooh |
| 15:55.37 | phh | babijoee: that's the change I said I was doing :p |
| 15:55.43 | babijoee | ooo |
| 15:55.44 | babijoee | lol |
| 15:55.45 | babijoee | okay |
| 15:55.53 | babijoee | i'll remove it for future updates |
| 15:56.23 | babijoee | phh: when you're done just give me a list of things changed and i'll update first post :) |
| 15:56.29 | Unholy | ok |
| 15:56.48 | Unholy | so mac address is store on the new calibration file also? |
| 15:57.40 | phh | Unholy: yes |
| 15:57.47 | Unholy | ah k good to know |
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| 16:17.48 | babijoee | phh: uploading now? |
| 16:17.53 | phh | yes |
| 16:18.00 | Unholy | nice |
| 16:18.16 | Unholy | were can we mortals download that XD |
| 16:19.24 | babijoee | i'll update first post Unholy |
| 16:19.38 | Unholy | ah k |
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| 16:20.46 | phh | babijoee: so, no more need for wifi calibration file, it's readen from nand, and is written to data.img |
| 16:20.56 | phh | ramzswap settings from user.eclair.conf are applied |
| 16:20.57 | babijoee | kk |
| 16:21.05 | phh | and enable 3D |
| 16:21.07 | babijoee | kk |
| 16:21.26 | phh | my memory says that's all. |
| 16:21.32 | Unholy | XD |
| 16:22.23 | babijoee | nps |
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| 16:22.58 | phh | my system is still booting with new data.img to confirm for wifi |
| 16:24.19 | phh | babijoee: home++ seems to rox. |
| 16:24.33 | phh | (based on screenshots at least) |
| 16:25.16 | babijoee | lol it does |
| 16:25.49 | babijoee | a friend told me a site for cracked apps |
| 16:26.01 | babijoee | i dont wanna spread piracy |
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| 16:26.25 | phh | but you want to give it to me ? :p |
| 16:28.40 | babijoee | lol |
| 16:29.12 | phh | chamonix: I'm still waiting for your sources btw :p |
| 16:30.02 | phh | upload finished btw |
| 16:30.09 | bzo | what do you guys think of the new vogue non-rootfs system, should we move to it? |
| 16:30.17 | phh | http://htcandroid.xland.cz/Android2.0.1-07.02.10.7z |
| 16:30.20 | phh | bzo: yes but no. |
| 16:30.58 | bzo | it would save us about 10mb when we start flashing to nand |
| 16:31.27 | babijoee | kk |
| 16:31.45 | phh | does someone know if android apn stuff handles MVNO ? |
| 16:32.00 | babijoee | MVNO? |
| 16:32.10 | babijoee | never seen it in apns-conf.xml |
| 16:32.35 | phh | virtual network |
| 16:33.07 | phh | like operators having no real gsm cell, but using others' one |
| 16:33.46 | Unholy | thx phh |
| 16:36.23 | Unholy | there no need to replace system.img right phh? |
| 16:36.37 | Unholy | .sqsh* |
| 16:36.45 | babijoee | 3d drivers |
| 16:36.50 | phh | Unholy: good question. |
| 16:36.52 | phh | theorically not |
| 16:36.56 | babijoee | no? |
| 16:36.57 | phh | but I remember I changed something. |
| 16:37.20 | Unholy | hmm il replaced it then |
| 16:37.38 | babijoee | Unholy: doesn't hurt to |
| 16:41.37 | phh | downloading 8MB @ 40kB/s is ssssslllllloooooowwwwwww |
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| 16:45.28 | babijoee | lol |
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| 16:46.07 | Unholy | i found home++ beta |
| 16:46.09 | Unholy | and its free |
| 16:46.18 | Unholy | http://www.androlib.com/android.application.mobi-intuitit-android-launcher-xqED.aspx |
| 16:47.01 | phh | Unholy: yes that's what babijoee said earlier |
| 16:47.06 | babijoee | dl new package at 60kb/s is sssssslllllllllooooooowwwwwww |
| 16:47.28 | phh | babijoee: ?!? |
| 16:47.37 | phh | that's all you can get from xland.cz ? |
| 16:47.41 | babijoee | no |
| 16:47.46 | babijoee | usually its faster |
| 16:47.56 | Unholy | strange mind downloaded at full speed alredy booting it |
| 16:47.58 | babijoee | my net is weird |
| 16:48.13 | babijoee | normally i dl it at 250kb+ |
| 16:48.33 | babijoee | oh well 5 mins to go |
| 16:49.37 | babijoee | phh: its no priority but is it possible for you to get flash working? |
| 16:49.51 | babijoee | flashlight* |
| 16:50.13 | babijoee | i can provide some free* apps :) |
| 16:50.35 | Unholy | flshlight app? |
| 16:50.39 | Unholy | flash* |
| 16:50.53 | phh | Unholy: raphael has flash. |
| 16:51.11 | Unholy | no i mean babijoe |
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| 16:51.18 | phh | I think that's what babijoee means |
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| 16:51.52 | Unholy | ah k |
| 16:52.00 | babijoee | Unholy: very confused lol |
| 16:52.02 | Unholy | omg wifi connected |
| 16:52.13 | phh | Unholy: oh right I forgot to check that. |
| 16:52.16 | babijoee | any freezing? |
| 16:52.28 | Unholy | no frezze |
| 16:52.29 | Unholy | so far |
| 16:52.48 | babijoee | turn on and off |
| 16:53.07 | Unholy | first time no frezze |
| 16:53.17 | Unholy | second time i did i little faster and it froze |
| 16:53.23 | phh | babijoee: oh don't worry it will freeze. |
| 16:53.29 | Unholy | restarting android |
| 16:53.57 | babijoee | ah k |
| 16:53.58 | babijoee | lol |
| 16:54.10 | Unholy | wifi is evil |
| 16:54.21 | babijoee | no |
| 16:54.25 | babijoee | android is evil |
| 16:54.28 | Unholy | XD |
| 16:54.32 | slight | wifi is also evil |
| 16:54.39 | babijoee | wifi is good :p |
| 16:54.46 | phh | Unholy: what board do you have ? |
| 16:54.46 | slight | wifi is a pain in the arse :D |
| 16:54.56 | Unholy | raph110? |
| 16:55.04 | babijoee | lol |
| 16:55.14 | phh | Unholy: can you give me the result of the free command ? |
| 16:55.31 | Unholy | a sec need to reboot android |
| 16:55.38 | Unholy | on winmo right now |
| 16:56.10 | Unholy | booting android |
| 16:56.24 | babijoee | phh: wat u getting? |
| 16:56.37 | phh | babijoee: ? |
| 16:56.49 | babijoee | ramzswap and free values |
| 16:56.58 | phh | ah |
| 16:57.05 | phh | babijoee: default ramzswap setting in the build is 100MB -_-' |
| 16:57.18 | babijoee | woahh |
| 16:57.20 | phh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.21 | phh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.21 | phh | Total: 206928 188936 17992 |
| 16:57.41 | phh | babijoee: well for most devices it should be fine now |
| 16:57.42 | babijoee | 17992 free? only |
| 16:57.43 | phh | but not for diam. |
| 16:57.52 | phh | babijoee: it uses as much ram as possible |
| 16:57.59 | babijoee | ooo |
| 16:58.14 | phh | so it's normal |
| 16:58.32 | Unholy | strange nexxus animation is gone |
| 16:58.40 | phh | Unholy: ARGH |
| 16:58.47 | phh | did you updated everything ? |
| 16:58.56 | Unholy | yup |
| 16:58.56 | phh | including zImage modules & startup ? |
| 16:59.01 | Unholy | startup no |
| 16:59.07 | Unholy | i belive its the same |
| 16:59.08 | phh | . |
| 16:59.19 | phh | you renamed zImage.xxxxxxx to zImage maybe ? |
| 16:59.22 | babijoee | i'm getting 115292 free mem |
| 16:59.23 | Unholy | i did |
| 16:59.39 | babijoee | phh: its still here for me |
| 16:59.43 | phh | babijoee: well just after startup that's also what i get. |
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| 17:00.11 | phh | Unholy: then give me the result of dmesg |
| 17:01.21 | babijoee | hmm 3d isnt working =/ |
| 17:01.34 | phh | it's working for me and MrPippy -_-' |
| 17:01.38 | babijoee | i maybe have to inititate it in winmo? |
| 17:01.52 | phh | you need a 3D app in wimo yes |
| 17:01.55 | babijoee | ah k |
| 17:01.58 | babijoee | my bad :p |
| 17:02.22 | Unholy | mem 182648 180332 2316 o 15860 |
| 17:02.34 | Unholy | swap 102392 0 102392 |
| 17:02.37 | adamw | what's the news? 3d accel |
| 17:02.38 | adamw | ? |
| 17:02.50 | babijoee | check first post |
| 17:02.53 | Unholy | total 285040 180332 104708 |
| 17:02.57 | babijoee | new package by phhusson :) |
| 17:02.59 | adamw | babijoee: kk will do |
| 17:03.01 | adamw | nice! |
| 17:03.02 | adamw | thanks phh |
| 17:03.37 | playdo | hey, howto unzip 7z under linux? whats the best program for that task? |
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| 17:03.48 | Unholy | got 104 free ram |
| 17:03.53 | phh | playdo: let me be imaginative |
| 17:03.53 | phh | mmmmmmm |
| 17:03.57 | phh | I'd say something like |
| 17:03.58 | phh | mmmmm |
| 17:03.59 | phh | 7z |
| 17:04.00 | phh | should work. |
| 17:04.03 | babijoee | lol |
| 17:04.04 | playdo | -. |
| 17:04.13 | playdo | i asked for some alternatives or ides |
| 17:04.15 | playdo | ideas |
| 17:04.22 | phh | 7za then. |
| 17:04.36 | babijoee | wats wrong with 7 |
| 17:04.39 | babijoee | 7z |
| 17:05.00 | adamw | for linux the command is 7za |
| 17:05.04 | phh | adamw: nop |
| 17:05.05 | adamw | in the package p7zip |
| 17:05.07 | adamw | just for fun |
| 17:05.09 | phh | there is both 7z and 7za |
| 17:05.15 | adamw | never came acros s7z. |
| 17:05.16 | phh | I still haven't understood the difference though. |
| 17:05.35 | phh | phh @ phh-desktop ~ % rpm -qf /usr/bin/7za |
| 17:05.35 | phh | p7zip-9.04-1mdv2010.0 |
| 17:05.36 | phh | phh @ phh-desktop ~ % rpm -qf /usr/bin/7z |
| 17:05.36 | phh | p7zip-9.04-1mdv2010.0 |
| 17:05.36 | phh | phh @ phh-desktop ~ % |
| 17:05.37 | phh | not really helpful. |
| 17:05.50 | adamw | you run mandriva?! oh man, you're awesome. |
| 17:05.50 | Unholy | phh i need to start a hw3d in winmo before android? |
| 17:05.56 | adamw | it's probably a helpful symlink |
| 17:06.02 | adamw | ls -l /usr/bin/7z* |
| 17:06.28 | babijoee | phh: did you try neocore? |
| 17:06.36 | babijoee | wats benchmark did you get? |
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| 17:07.17 | Unholy | neocore restarted my phone 0o |
| 17:07.39 | phh | Unholy: bah touchflo3D is enough |
| 17:07.46 | adamw | playdo: why are you asking btw? are you getting weird 'permission denied' messages? |
| 17:07.50 | phh | babijoee: not yet. |
| 17:08.00 | Unholy | ok will do phh |
| 17:08.12 | phh | Unholy: you don't even have touchflo3D ? |
| 17:08.25 | playdo | adamw: nah, just wondering cause i cant open it and found a few packages for 7z on my system |
| 17:08.26 | Unholy | i had it but removed it from my rom got tired of it XD |
| 17:08.37 | phh | Unholy: ah. |
| 17:08.49 | Unholy | il just run a game aned leave in backgroud |
| 17:09.01 | phh | Unholy: works too. |
| 17:09.23 | Unholy | but dang touchflow works better less of a hassle |
| 17:09.27 | adamw | playdo: oh. only one I know is p7zip/7za. it mostly works. if you have it installed, tools like file-roller will open 7zip files. |
| 17:09.46 | phh | babijoee: so, your question was actually for the near camera LED of raphael ? |
| 17:09.50 | adamw | phh: I used to work for mandriva btw :) |
| 17:10.12 | babijoee | yeah |
| 17:10.29 | playdo | adamw: thats why i'm wondering. i have file-roller and lzma but i it doesnt open |
| 17:10.33 | phh | babijoee: ok, I might do that. |
| 17:10.39 | babijoee | thanks |
| 17:10.46 | babijoee | need it for after work :) |
| 17:11.19 | phh | groumpf don't know how to do it properly and easily (the actual code is just one line.) |
| 17:11.37 | adamw | playdo: lzma is different |
| 17:11.50 | adamw | playdo: file-roller is just a frontend, it doesn't do de-archiving itself |
| 17:12.01 | babijoee | phh: ah k |
| 17:12.13 | babijoee | we'll i can always use my nexus one torch :p |
| 17:12.17 | playdo | adamw: so i need p7zip? |
| 17:12.33 | babijoee | playdo: wat linux distro are you using? |
| 17:12.36 | phh | babijoee: N1 has a light ? or you're speaking about the screen ? |
| 17:12.47 | playdo | babijoee: ubunut netbook remix |
| 17:13.00 | babijoee | phh: its got a flashlight |
| 17:13.06 | slight | "hw3d ( MrPippy & Phhusson )" |
| 17:13.06 | playdo | i just install p7zip so its alright ^^ |
| 17:13.11 | slight | i love you guys :) |
| 17:13.48 | slight | if running from nand stops my sleep crashes i'll be totally dumping winmo :) |
| 17:14.17 | phh | slight: yeah but it's not flashable. |
| 17:14.47 | slight | oh, can it run from nand somehow now? |
| 17:15.08 | Unholy | damn home++ looks so clean and nice |
| 17:15.09 | babijoee | anyone notice that the nexus one animation is less smooth? |
| 17:15.15 | phh | babijoee: yes |
| 17:15.19 | babijoee | ah k |
| 17:15.21 | phh | way less smooth :'( |
| 17:15.23 | babijoee | that means 3d works |
| 17:15.27 | babijoee | yeah =/ |
| 17:15.28 | adamw | playdo: yes |
| 17:16.18 | phh | babijoee: hardware 3D under heavy CPU load has always been bad |
| 17:16.30 | phh | (and yes startup uses heavily the CPU.) |
| 17:16.51 | phh | maybe we could set high priority on this process |
| 17:16.56 | babijoee | lol |
| 17:17.03 | phh | babijoee: 19.4fps |
| 17:17.25 | slight | i see test results on redmine from sven k about running off nand. is there any sort of how-to or is this still black magic? :) |
| 17:17.34 | babijoee | ok |
| 17:17.51 | phh | slight: I don't want people to use this method |
| 17:17.57 | slight | ok |
| 17:18.36 | phh | I want real flashing. |
| 17:21.10 | babijoee | bah i'm getting fc on neocore |
| 17:21.15 | slight | sure understood. i was just wondering if it was something i could try as a stopgap, because i can't use android yet because of the consistent crashing |
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| 17:21.56 | Unholy | slight whats your device? mines runs just fine(raph110) |
| 17:21.56 | babijoee | slight: iirc chamonix says its quite the same |
| 17:22.17 | slight | raph100 |
| 17:22.29 | phh | babijoee: he also said he has pretty much no crash -_-' |
| 17:22.57 | slight | i've tried everything |
| 17:23.04 | slight | think it happens with donut too |
| 17:23.21 | babijoee | phh: i do too :p |
| 17:23.30 | slight | only thing i can think of that's left, other than a dodgy phone, is that it's running off the sdcard |
| 17:23.44 | babijoee | i'm baffled when people get all these problems... i dont encounter besides wifi |
| 17:23.55 | slight | well that's computers for you :) |
| 17:24.10 | slight | a million different configurations, all slightly different |
| 17:24.22 | babijoee | slight: people with same devices :p |
| 17:24.54 | slight | booting off different versions of winmo with different settings on different networks with different installed apps and different sd cards :) |
| 17:24.57 | babijoee | ewwww scrolling is very jerky |
| 17:25.07 | babijoee | i guess too much CPU usage |
| 17:25.36 | babijoee | notification bar is really smooth though |
| 17:25.47 | Unholy | dang hw3d is not working here neocore keepsrestarting device |
| 17:26.01 | Unholy | im gona replace my startup |
| 17:26.12 | babijoee | Unholy: you need to initiate 3d in winmo |
| 17:26.19 | Unholy | i did |
| 17:26.32 | babijoee | shouldnt have anything to do with startup |
| 17:26.38 | Unholy | im gona flash a rom with xpanels |
| 17:26.43 | babijoee | ah k |
| 17:26.48 | Unholy | il test again afte rim done flashing |
| 17:26.52 | Unholy | after* |
| 17:26.57 | Unholy | maybe games is nto enof |
| 17:27.00 | Unholy | not* |
| 17:27.02 | Unholy | omg typos |
| 17:27.03 | Unholy | XD |
| 17:27.52 | phh | babijoee: so 3D works for you ? |
| 17:27.58 | babijoee | yeah it works |
| 17:28.06 | babijoee | weird, scrolling is smooth now |
| 17:28.25 | slight | i think android does the now common trick of showing the UI while it's still loading services |
| 17:28.41 | slight | so there'll be some high load for a while after you get to home |
| 17:28.47 | Unholy | babijoe did you try home++ |
| 17:28.49 | Unholy | its great |
| 17:29.22 | babijoee | Unholy: yeah but its not for me :p |
| 17:29.29 | Unholy | i see heh |
| 17:29.30 | babijoee | well atleast on my raph |
| 17:29.38 | babijoee | nexus one i prefer launcher2 |
| 17:30.04 | Unholy | yea that ones looks cool too |
| 17:31.22 | phh | "What's a suitable bench mark I can use to see if HW3D works?" |
| 17:31.23 | phh | lol. |
| 17:31.28 | phh | as if a benchmark was needed. |
| 17:31.49 | phh | adamw: so 3D works for you ? |
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| 17:33.36 | slight | does android fall back to sw rendering for 3d games if there's no acceleration available? |
| 17:34.00 | slight | i just played labrynth lite in its 3d mode, and it was 3d but very low fps |
| 17:34.00 | babijoee | nope |
| 17:34.03 | slight | k |
| 17:34.06 | babijoee | it freezes and reboots for me :p |
| 17:36.40 | phh | slight: yes. |
| 17:36.55 | phh | babijoee: any logs ? |
| 17:37.02 | babijoee | nah |
| 17:37.05 | babijoee | i didnt bother |
| 17:37.09 | babijoee | opps |
| 17:37.21 | babijoee | wait this was when i didnt enable 3d in winmo |
| 17:37.29 | babijoee | nvm lol |
| 17:37.45 | slight | ok, how can i tell if my 3d is accelerated? |
| 17:38.02 | slight | as i've no idea what sort of performance to expect from the raph |
| 17:38.04 | babijoee | run a game? |
| 17:38.13 | phh | slight: you get something like <<1fps, or ~ 10fps for labyrinth lite ? |
| 17:38.26 | slight | probably more like 10 fps |
| 17:38.32 | phh | works then I guess |
| 17:38.35 | slight | cool |
| 17:38.43 | phh | I don't know why it's so slow for labyrinth lite :/ |
| 17:38.58 | slight | i just tried some light cycle game and i'm pretty sure it wasn't being rendered by the cpu |
| 17:39.06 | slight | very nice! |
| 17:39.15 | phh | labyrinth lite worked really smooth on donut |
| 17:39.25 | babijoee | API demos actually performed worse too =/ |
| 17:39.27 | phh | maybe the g-sensor code is too slow now mmmm |
| 17:39.30 | babijoee | not that you care phh :p |
| 17:40.13 | babijoee | dont think it has to do with gsensor :) |
| 17:40.25 | phh | don't know |
| 17:40.32 | phh | I think it actually does. |
| 17:40.45 | babijoee | ooo |
| 17:41.43 | slight | strangely it doesn't seem to have much affect on the ui |
| 17:42.01 | phh | slight: why is that strange ? |
| 17:42.16 | slight | is it being rendered in sw still? |
| 17:42.20 | babijoee | disable gsensor and see if it helps :p |
| 17:42.33 | phh | slight: no. |
| 17:42.35 | playdo | someone got blackstone booted with new build? |
| 17:42.36 | phh | it has always been hardware |
| 17:42.41 | slight | i thought with those fades and scrolls and whatnot it'd take advantage of the acceleration |
| 17:42.44 | slight | oh ok |
| 17:42.57 | phh | 2D hardware has no link at all with 3D hardware |
| 17:43.00 | slight | thought it was performing pretty impressively for sw rendering :p |
| 17:43.16 | phh | (well 3D rendering uses 2D rendering to blit to screen) |
| 17:43.16 | slight | sure but increasingly '2d' ui stuff is 3d accelerated |
| 17:43.39 | slight | on maemo they're using clutter for example |
| 17:43.41 | phh | slight: you don't want to do textured stuff with 3D engine |
| 17:44.24 | slight | do you mean on msm* specifically or in general? |
| 17:44.36 | phh | in general |
| 17:44.50 | phh | all the 3D desktop stuff on desktops is really heavy load for graphic cards |
| 17:44.51 | slight | what about things like compiz and clutter? |
| 17:45.03 | playdo | phh: blackstone doesn't boot with new build. just stops before boot logo |
| 17:45.12 | phh | playdo: which bootlogo ? |
| 17:45.16 | playdo | X |
| 17:45.21 | slight | i don't know about that, compiz can run on some pretty old hardware |
| 17:45.30 | playdo | this fading big X |
| 17:45.47 | babijoee | playdo: pretty nexus one boot animation |
| 17:45.47 | playdo | last console entry was a READ |
| 17:46.06 | phh | slight: basic features like "doing a cube", needs a recent enough graphic card (>= nvidia 600 ~~) to perform well |
| 17:46.09 | playdo | babijoee: dont know the nexus one. its the first animation after console |
| 17:46.23 | phh | while a non textured cube well... it just runs without any problem even with software :p |
| 17:46.25 | slight | i'm thinking more about compositing |
| 17:46.39 | phh | slight: yes that's linked |
| 17:46.46 | slight | screen redraw is much faster and smoother on compiz than metacity for eg |
| 17:46.49 | phh | playdo: any real message maybe ? |
| 17:47.01 | babijoee | playdo: yes thats the nexus one boot animation |
| 17:47.06 | playdo | wait |
| 17:47.22 | slight | anyway n900 uses 3d accel for its UI (clutter) so i was just wondering if android did similar, but apparently not :) |
| 17:47.23 | playdo | android booted now, but without any animation |
| 17:47.30 | phh | . |
| 17:47.40 | phh | slight: I think N1 does that partly |
| 17:47.46 | phh | slight: htc sense ui does too |
| 17:47.50 | phh | (and it's said to be slow) |
| 17:48.00 | babijoee | yeah its just like touchflo |
| 17:48.00 | Unholy | same here slight |
| 17:48.13 | phh | Unholy: with a 3D app ? |
| 17:48.14 | playdo | phh: i waited a few minutes after the first boot but nothing happened. now it booted after a minute black screen |
| 17:48.16 | phh | launched I mean. |
| 17:48.21 | phh | same question for playdo |
| 17:48.25 | Unholy | no i mean the boot animation is gone |
| 17:48.31 | phh | Unholy: no it's not. |
| 17:48.36 | playdo | unholy: me too |
| 17:48.36 | phh | it's just that 3D hardware doesn't work |
| 17:48.42 | playdo | damn |
| 17:48.54 | Unholy | oh so 3d is not working then? |
| 17:48.54 | playdo | phh can u give an 3d app for testing? |
| 17:49.02 | babijoee | dl app from market :p |
| 17:49.07 | playdo | which one |
| 17:49.11 | phh | babijoee: for WM I think he meant :p |
| 17:49.14 | babijoee | uhh neocore |
| 17:49.17 | playdo | k |
| 17:49.29 | babijoee | winmo or android playdo /? |
| 17:49.34 | playdo | android |
| 17:49.48 | babijoee | just dl labrynth lite |
| 17:49.51 | babijoee | and use 3d |
| 17:50.04 | playdo | for testing the new driver. k i will try babijoee |
| 17:50.23 | Unholy | meh neocore force close wtf |
| 17:50.27 | babijoee | neocore will give you a benchmark score |
| 17:50.45 | babijoee | phh: getting 19 fps for neocore is pretty decent |
| 17:50.57 | Unholy | gah 3d keeps restarting my phone |
| 17:51.00 | babijoee | maybe gsensor is causing probs |
| 17:51.03 | phh | babijoee: I'd like to get scaling stuff :/ |
| 17:51.53 | playdo | no one tested on blackstone so far? |
| 17:51.57 | babijoee | phh: i'll try removing gsensor driver and see if any improvements can be seen |
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| 17:52.13 | phh | babijoee: no need for that. |
| 17:52.19 | phh | neocore which is an heavy 3D app is smooth |
| 17:52.30 | babijoee | yeah |
| 17:52.31 | phh | labynrith lite which is not heavy is not smooth. |
| 17:52.42 | phh | the answer seems obvious |
| 17:52.48 | babijoee | okay |
| 17:53.07 | phh | I have to check if i didn't forget the debug messages for gsensor |
| 17:53.08 | Unholy | babijoee so neocore works for you and you got a raph? |
| 17:53.23 | babijoee | i think i may need a new version |
| 17:53.27 | babijoee | so i'm dl a new one now |
| 17:53.32 | babijoee | it works for phh |
| 17:53.44 | playdo | babijoee: labyrinth doesn't seem to work 3d :( |
| 17:54.01 | Unholy | hmm mine if i run it for the first time it gives me a black screen |
| 17:54.07 | Unholy | second tie it restarts my device |
| 17:54.15 | Unholy | timne* |
| 17:54.17 | Unholy | time* |
| 17:54.20 | |Jason8| | armadillo roll! |
| 17:54.22 | babijoee | playdo: so 3d is broken for blackstone |
| 17:54.29 | playdo | got black screen too unholy |
| 17:54.35 | babijoee | |Jason8| that will kill your device |
| 17:54.40 | playdo | babijoee: seems to. trying neocore |
| 17:54.49 | |Jason8| | babijoee: I've played it on my raph |
| 17:54.52 | Unholy | dang |
| 17:54.54 | babijoee | lol |
| 17:55.00 | playdo | w00t restart :D |
| 17:55.01 | playdo | lol |
| 17:55.01 | |Jason8| | right when the gsensor was first considered "working" |
| 17:55.02 | babijoee | my nexus one doesnt play it smooth |
| 17:55.09 | |Jason8| | it was playing it smooth as silk |
| 17:55.21 | babijoee | ? |
| 17:55.22 | |Jason8| | just couldn't steer because the gsensor was semi-broke yet |
| 17:55.23 | |Jason8| | XD |
| 17:55.24 | playdo | same for me unholy |
| 17:55.37 | playdo | restart after second try< |
| 17:55.38 | babijoee | |Jason8| impossible :p |
| 17:55.38 | phh | playdo: with a 3D app in wimo at start ? |
| 17:55.47 | phh | |Jason8|: and I just plaid it fine :p |
| 17:55.49 | |Jason8| | babijoee: Not even kidding. |
| 17:55.50 | playdo | without phh |
| 17:55.52 | Unholy | iv got x2 panels on winmo |
| 17:55.54 | phh | playdo: ........ |
| 17:55.56 | babijoee | serious |
| 17:56.03 | phh | babijoee: I swear |
| 17:56.06 | playdo | man, then say it to me xD |
| 17:56.06 | phh | on donut it's just perfect |
| 17:56.11 | babijoee | woah |
| 17:56.17 | phh | playdo: oh I said it only mmm 5 times today I'd say |
| 17:56.42 | babijoee | i'm amazed |
| 17:56.44 | playdo | and got better things to do, than reading all the time irc, so sorry for that |
| 17:56.46 | phh | babijoee: but if it doesn't work on nexus, I'd say the other screwed something :p |
| 17:56.47 | babijoee | lets go back to donut XD |
| 17:56.56 | babijoee | it does phh |
| 17:57.04 | babijoee | but it doesn't seem really smooth |
| 17:57.09 | babijoee | i'll try it later |
| 17:57.23 | Unholy | no wifi on donut =P modules need to be update or so it seems |
| 17:57.25 | playdo | what winmo app uses 3d? |
| 17:57.32 | |Jason8| | touchflo? |
| 17:57.40 | playdo | sense? |
| 17:57.46 | |Jason8| | yeah |
| 17:57.49 | playdo | -.-" |
| 17:57.54 | Unholy | nah cant get 3d to work =/ |
| 17:57.57 | Unholy | dang* |
| 17:57.58 | phh | playdo: not on stock ROM iirc |
| 17:58.07 | phh | babijoee: on donut it was really smooth |
| 17:58.17 | |Jason8| | I had EnergyROM on my fuze |
| 17:58.22 | |Jason8| | which has all the 3D drivers |
| 17:58.24 | playdo | if i got sense, that means i dont got stock rom phh ;) |
| 17:58.28 | |Jason8| | stock roms don't have drivers. |
| 17:58.29 | phh | playdo: ? |
| 17:58.31 | babijoee | phh: :'( why nexus |
| 17:58.45 | phh | playdo: what is the stock rom interface name then ? |
| 17:58.45 | |Jason8| | fff. The one thing I hate about android is how crappy the market works. |
| 17:58.52 | playdo | manila 2.1 |
| 17:58.54 | playdo | phh |
| 17:59.00 | |Jason8| | it'll sit at starting download for a month |
| 17:59.05 | phh | |Jason8|: works fine for me |
| 17:59.13 | babijoee | same here |
| 17:59.16 | playdo | sense is manila 2.5, stock is just touchflo |
| 17:59.34 | |Jason8| | shrugs |
| 17:59.39 | phh | I'd bet manilla* is called touchflo |
| 17:59.58 | Unholy | im goin to replace my android files again see if i missed something |
| 18:00.03 | playdo | phh youre right, manila is called touchflo and since version 2.5 its called sense |
| 18:00.16 | phh | clever. |
| 18:00.17 | |Jason8| | phh: the later 2.1 builds and all 2.5 builds are labeled sense. |
| 18:00.19 | playdo | ^^ |
| 18:00.19 | |Jason8| | aye. |
| 18:00.39 | playdo | i think sense got 3d in pictures and music tab, am i right jason? |
| 18:00.48 | phh | playdo: just to be sure, download http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425216 and launch it |
| 18:00.52 | Unholy | sens in whole is 3d |
| 18:00.54 | phh | and see how much fps you get on it |
| 18:00.54 | |Jason8| | Well, it's called TouchFlo3D for a reason... |
| 18:00.59 | Unholy | without drivers you cant run it |
| 18:01.04 | playdo | phh ok, i'll give it a try |
| 18:01.05 | phh | Unholy: really ? |
| 18:01.06 | phh | mmmm |
| 18:01.09 | |Jason8| | no |
| 18:01.10 | phh | playdo: no need then. |
| 18:01.13 | |Jason8| | you can run sense without drivers |
| 18:01.18 | Unholy | nop |
| 18:01.19 | phh | playdo: so yes need :p |
| 18:01.20 | Unholy | you cant |
| 18:01.21 | playdo | just to be sure phh |
| 18:01.23 | |Jason8| | the HD2 comes with sense and without drivers. XD |
| 18:01.34 | Unholy | nah it has to have some kind of driver |
| 18:01.35 | phh | |Jason8|: really ?* |
| 18:01.38 | phh | they did that again? |
| 18:01.40 | Unholy | sense depends on opengles |
| 18:01.43 | |Jason8| | yeah. |
| 18:01.47 | |Jason8| | Crappy drivers. |
| 18:01.49 | phh | Unholy: opengles can be done software |
| 18:01.59 | phh | and it has been done in stocks diam/raph roms |
| 18:02.07 | Unholy | well if it runs its emulated opengl then or something |
| 18:02.21 | Unholy | kaiser cant run touchflo unles you install drivers |
| 18:02.32 | Unholy | same goes for touch pro |
| 18:02.37 | |Jason8| | no |
| 18:02.44 | |Jason8| | kaiser had issues with it's own 3D drivers |
| 18:02.45 | phh | Unholy: stock raph rom has no opengles driver ... |
| 18:02.50 | Unholy | dude cook a rom with no 3d drivers and sens 2.5 |
| 18:02.52 | Unholy | and tell me if works |
| 18:02.54 | Unholy | it wont |
| 18:03.08 | Unholy | erm with sens 2.5* |
| 18:03.12 | phh | no hardware driver i mean. |
| 18:03.16 | |Jason8| | Unholy: it's more the drivers that HTC releases that don't use hardware accel |
| 18:03.39 | Unholy | i know jason but if you cook a naked ro with no drivers, but you include sense 2.5 |
| 18:03.41 | Unholy | it will not run |
| 18:03.45 | Unholy | it will give you an error |
| 18:03.53 | phh | Unholy: ok, with software drivers |
| 18:03.53 | Unholy | rom* |
| 18:03.54 | phh | if you want. |
| 18:04.06 | |Jason8| | use HTC's software drivers |
| 18:04.09 | Unholy | i mean no drivers |
| 18:04.26 | playdo | phh this could be the problem. i install the drivers and report back this evening/tomorrow |
| 18:04.27 | |Jason8| | well we're talking about software vs hardware |
| 18:04.30 | |Jason8| | have been the whole time |
| 18:05.05 | phh | anyway, drivers is something to talk to hardware, "software drivers" is stupid ... |
| 18:05.14 | slight | phh, did you say you're planning to do a new donut build? |
| 18:05.19 | |Jason8| | babijoee: armadillo roll runs smooth as silk on my dream. :P |
| 18:05.31 | babijoee | bah, stop teasing |
| 18:05.42 | phh | slight: yes but no |
| 18:05.43 | Unholy | i really cant see how that could be, to my knowledge hd2 does have 3d drivers just all bugged and slow |
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| 18:05.46 | luklew | hi :) |
| 18:05.49 | slight | phh lol :) |
| 18:05.53 | phh | slight: I have to see what's the status of markinus' donut |
| 18:06.06 | babijoee | someone still on donut? |
| 18:06.12 | babijoee | hmmm must have a look |
| 18:06.17 | slight | 17.5 fps on neocore on my raph100 with latest build from xda |
| 18:06.30 | phh | slight: I think you could just use it, what you won't have is wifi |
| 18:06.33 | phh | or bad working |
| 18:06.36 | phh | and markinus is working on that |
| 18:06.37 | slight | i installed your last build the other night phh, it was quite nice |
| 18:06.58 | slight | i don't use wifi so that's fine, but i had quite a lot of trouble waking it from sleep |
| 18:06.59 | luklew | How Can I running Linux Ubuntu on Touch Pro? :D |
| 18:07.13 | phh | luklew: hum I have some image somewhere |
| 18:07.20 | slight | also raph touchpad kept going crazy |
| 18:07.22 | luklew | i'm was trying and x-server doesn't work |
| 18:07.31 | phh | luklew: define "doesn't work" |
| 18:07.36 | luklew | freeze |
| 18:07.46 | luklew | black display and freeze |
| 18:07.52 | phh | oO |
| 18:07.58 | luklew | on kernel from Android donut |
| 18:07.59 | phh | any log ? |
| 18:08.13 | luklew | give me image ]:-> |
| 18:08.19 | babijoee | woah 12.5 frames :p |
| 18:08.19 | phh | I can't see how X can ever start -_-' |
| 18:08.33 | phh | babijoee: you're running seti^home in the same time ? :p |
| 18:08.45 | luklew | ? |
| 18:08.47 | babijoee | seti^home? |
| 18:08.49 | babijoee | nope |
| 18:08.54 | leobaillard | ^^ |
| 18:09.01 | slight | lol |
| 18:09.02 | babijoee | new data.img and only neocore installed |
| 18:09.12 | leobaillard | well, my school presentation is done ! I can't wait to test the 3D :D |
| 18:09.18 | slight | did you just reboot babijoee ? |
| 18:09.20 | babijoee | hi leobaillard |
| 18:09.25 | babijoee | yeah |
| 18:09.33 | leobaillard | hi babijoee |
| 18:09.33 | slight | give it 3 or 4 mins then run it again |
| 18:09.37 | babijoee | ok |
| 18:10.06 | babijoee | woah second attempt 11.7 frames |
| 18:10.07 | babijoee | :) |
| 18:10.13 | phh | babijoee: hum. |
| 18:10.25 | phh | seriously what are you doing with it ? :p |
| 18:10.30 | babijoee | nothing |
| 18:10.32 | babijoee | i'm serious |
| 18:10.36 | phh | can't be :p |
| 18:10.42 | babijoee | -.-" |
| 18:10.49 | luklew | why I havn't sound in Android 2.0.1 ? :( I'm using character scanner and I don't know what I must delete |
| 18:11.28 | Unholy | phh if the nexxus boot animation does not show that means 3d is not working? |
| 18:11.45 | phh | Unholy: yup |
| 18:11.54 | Unholy | dang dosent work then |
| 18:12.00 | Unholy | iv tried evrything |
| 18:12.15 | slight | babijoee, kill apps? |
| 18:13.00 | babijoee | ok |
| 18:13.06 | babijoee | i'll reboot again |
| 18:13.12 | babijoee | hopefully it should help |
| 18:13.31 | slight | oh, is there cpu scaling going on? perhaps being on mains power might have an effect? |
| 18:14.05 | phh | oh armadillo roll is quite smooth |
| 18:14.11 | babijoee | eclair? |
| 18:14.11 | phh | so it's just that labyrinth lite sucks. |
| 18:14.20 | babijoee | waaaaa |
| 18:14.35 | phh | slight: AFAIK the settings are the same for AC and battery |
| 18:14.35 | babijoee | phh: armadillo also use gsensor too |
| 18:14.59 | babijoee | or not? |
| 18:15.13 | phh | yes |
| 18:15.21 | phh | hum, not as smooth as donut still. |
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| 18:15.32 | babijoee | i remmeber using trackball for it |
| 18:15.51 | phh | ?!? |
| 18:15.58 | babijoee | n1 |
| 18:16.03 | phh | it works only with gsensor -_-' |
| 18:16.09 | babijoee | ooo |
| 18:16.17 | babijoee | my memory serves me well |
| 18:16.24 | phh | that's why I coded the orientation sensor actually :p |
| 18:16.37 | babijoee | lol |
| 18:16.50 | babijoee | phh: reason to code for Android = GAMES |
| 18:16.51 | babijoee | :) |
| 18:17.04 | phh | babijoee: yes and ? :p |
| 18:17.10 | babijoee | no objections |
| 18:17.23 | phh | "Runs games really smoothly and achieved equal if not better benchmark scores that other Android devices. " <---- not that much, we still have twice as much pixels as android devices :p |
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| 18:17.44 | babijoee | true |
| 18:17.48 | phh | for the same 3D engine |
| 18:18.02 | phh | still, 20fps no neocore is more than half of android devices score |
| 18:18.29 | phh | (but gpu performance is not a linear function of the resolution, ok.) |
| 18:18.33 | slight | would there be any way to run android pixel doubled? :) |
| 18:18.43 | phh | babijoee: oh, you ran the benchmark with or without sound ? |
| 18:18.49 | babijoee | without |
| 18:18.53 | phh | ah |
| 18:18.56 | phh | not the reason then. |
| 18:19.04 | phh | slight: full android yes, but that'd me ugly |
| 18:19.14 | phh | I'm tring to think of a way to do so only for 3D |
| 18:19.26 | babijoee | strange i cant run neocore now |
| 18:19.27 | babijoee | =/ |
| 18:19.30 | slight | no more ugly than it is on the qvga devices though :D |
| 18:19.31 | babijoee | damn it |
| 18:19.39 | slight | or are they not qvga? |
| 18:19.43 | phh | slight: hvga |
| 18:20.17 | phh | 320x480 |
| 18:20.17 | slight | ah |
| 18:20.17 | phh | slight: I said we had twice as much pixels |
| 18:20.18 | phh | just do the math :p |
| 18:20.18 | slight | nah i didn't see that :) |
| 18:20.18 | phh | I still get 19fps on neocore |
| 18:20.45 | Unholy | hey phh do i have to rename the zimage |
| 18:20.58 | phh | Unholy: not if you change the startup |
| 18:21.10 | slight | so, just to be a pain in the arse. i know you don't approve of the curently available way of running off nand, but is there any chance i could do it anyway? :p |
| 18:21.28 | phh | slight: ask chamonix |
| 18:21.30 | phh | he noted everything |
| 18:21.37 | slight | i just want to be able to use android without it dying as soon as i put it in my pocket ;) |
| 18:21.39 | slight | ah ok ya |
| 18:21.41 | slight | *ta |
| 18:21.42 | phh | and if there is some piece of information missing I can explain |
| 18:22.34 | slight | great thanks |
| 18:22.44 | Unholy | trying android for second time clean =/, wish me luck |
| 18:23.24 | phh | there are some things I don't understand with H++ -_-' |
| 18:23.32 | phh | I guess the documentation isn't useful. |
| 18:23.55 | phh | babijoee: in the updates, there is also a ledeffect update |
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| 18:24.17 | babijoee | okay |
| 18:24.24 | babijoee | updated by cham? |
| 18:24.54 | phh | yup |
| 18:26.00 | Unholy | gah i give up hw3d wont work |
| 18:26.26 | playdo | unholy what phone do u got? |
| 18:26.35 | Unholy | raph110 |
| 18:26.40 | playdo | hmm k |
| 18:27.53 | bzo | hmm, labyrinth lite is actually work well for me in 3d |
| 18:29.30 | Unholy | im starting to think its my rom |
| 18:29.47 | phh | Unholy: possible |
| 18:29.49 | phh | bzo: really ? hum |
| 18:30.32 | bzo | maybe difference is I forgot to change /dev/hw* perms before I started it, so it ran slow software renderer. Then I fixed perms, restarted and it was fast |
| 18:30.43 | Unholy | im goin to try donut |
| 18:31.13 | playdo | do i need to change permissions in the new build??? |
| 18:31.32 | phh | playdo: no |
| 18:32.04 | bzo | I just copied the zimage and modules, which is why I have to fix perms manually |
| 18:32.06 | playdo | crap, startup animation isnt working after installing 3d drivers phh. trying labyrinth but i think its obviously not working |
| 18:32.13 | playdo | ok bzo |
| 18:32.27 | phh | playdo: does the wimo app I gave runs "smooth" ? |
| 18:33.15 | playdo | didnt try, cause i got not much time atm. started android directly |
| 18:33.33 | playdo | going to diner now, i report back when i tried verctor app |
| 18:34.41 | Unholy | if 3d works on donut il shoot my self |
| 18:41.06 | Unholy | gah dosent work on donut ether must be my rom |
| 18:42.40 | slight | is this a problem? : msm_timer_enter_idle: timer late -32, reprogram it |
| 18:43.13 | slight | it's all that's in my /proc/last_kmesg (repeated hundreds of times) after it crashes |
| 18:44.53 | slight | oh i have a stack of fsck00**.rec's too, are they crash dumps of some sort? |
| 18:45.59 | Unholy | anyone here with a raph110? |
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| 18:57.46 | phh | Unholy: try the app I linked before |
| 18:57.48 | phh | the wimo app |
| 18:58.18 | Unholy | witch one 0o |
| 18:58.28 | phh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425216 |
| 18:58.59 | Unholy | ok gona try it |
| 18:59.39 | Unholy | i almost got hw3d on donut with the snes emu but the games dont start they just stay in a black screen |
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| 19:00.01 | phh | Unholy: so it's just the same as usual :p |
| 19:00.08 | Unholy | basicly XD |
| 19:02.52 | Unholy | ok i got the hologram app working |
| 19:02.57 | Unholy | its as smoth as silk |
| 19:03.07 | phh | meaning ? |
| 19:03.08 | phh | how much fps ? |
| 19:03.46 | Unholy | 25 |
| 19:03.56 | phh | baaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh |
| 19:04.01 | phh | try to start haret without killing this app maybe |
| 19:04.23 | Unholy | ok |
| 19:05.10 | Unholy | booting eclair wish me luck =X |
| 19:06.33 | Unholy | ahhhh omfg |
| 19:06.35 | Unholy | it worked |
| 19:06.38 | Unholy | atleast the animation |
| 19:06.39 | Unholy | XD |
| 19:06.58 | phh | so your touchflo3D doesn't use hardware 3D ? :p |
| 19:07.17 | Unholy | it does without it wont run XD |
| 19:07.30 | phh | yeah.... no.... |
| 19:07.56 | Unholy | haha |
| 19:08.02 | Unholy | well for me it wont |
| 19:08.17 | Unholy | and with software driver it will choppy, if they even exist |
| 19:08.23 | Unholy | will be* |
| 19:08.50 | phh | touchflo3d used to be choppy :p |
| 19:09.26 | Unholy | and prety shure jason is mistaken with hes hd2, it does have 3d drivers thats y chain fire released a patch to fix them |
| 19:09.26 | phh | babijoee: we can add flan's gallery now :D |
| 19:09.29 | phh | ( http://droidmuff.in/downloads/flan-gallery/ ) |
| 19:09.36 | Unholy | if not he wouldent have done it XD |
| 19:09.45 | phh | Unholy: drivers might be just disabled |
| 19:09.54 | phh | stock diam roms really had no 3D accel |
| 19:10.04 | phh | running the VR app I linked gave <1fps |
| 19:10.06 | Unholy | oh ya same with kaiser |
| 19:10.14 | Unholy | 1fps 0o |
| 19:10.33 | phh | and yes, with touchflo3d. |
| 19:10.42 | Unholy | ah i see |
| 19:11.07 | bzo | phh, in the new build, where are you fixing perms? Trying to figure out why mine still has to still be fixed manually. |
| 19:11.41 | phh | bzo: init.cfg/init.eclair.rc |
| 19:12.02 | Unholy | neo core crash |
| 19:12.42 | bzo | phh: ok, thx |
| 19:12.43 | Unholy | 3d labyrith works |
| 19:12.47 | Unholy | so yea i got hw3d |
| 19:12.49 | Unholy | finally |
| 19:13.11 | Unholy | that app did the trick for whatever reason |
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| 19:14.29 | Unholy | emulators dont work |
| 19:14.55 | Unholy | they might not work at all in eclair |
| 19:15.10 | phh | because of eclair or because of the port ? |
| 19:15.23 | Unholy | eclair probly |
| 19:15.26 | Unholy | dunno |
| 19:15.39 | Unholy | now wifi dosent work wth |
| 19:17.01 | Unholy | gona delete data.img |
| 19:17.33 | phh | Unholy: leobaillard said that the toggle widget doesn't work, but you have to go in settings |
| 19:17.36 | phh | might that's the problem ? |
| 19:17.54 | Unholy | i did it by going to settings dint work |
| 19:18.09 | Unholy | it worked before when my 3d was borked |
| 19:18.17 | Unholy | XD |
| 19:19.56 | Unholy | deleted calibration file and data.img see if it helps? |
| 19:20.43 | phh | calibration file is no longer used |
| 19:20.58 | Unholy | ah k i deleted it anyways |
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| 19:22.46 | phh | when I loose at shoot u I'll take a look :p |
| 19:23.17 | Unholy | huh? come again 0o |
| 19:27.28 | noisyzen | good day everyone |
| 19:27.39 | Unholy | hello |
| 19:27.49 | noisyzen | anything groundbreaking today? |
| 19:27.57 | phh | nothing as usual |
| 19:27.59 | noisyzen | hehehehe |
| 19:28.01 | Unholy | hw3 |
| 19:28.06 | Unholy | hw3d =P |
| 19:28.34 | noisyzen | i'm getting ready to flash my phone for the first time. then after i hopefully dont screw it up, i'll probably try out android again on my pure/topaz |
| 19:29.07 | Unholy | sounds fun |
| 19:30.26 | Unholy | wifi still not working |
| 19:30.33 | Unholy | gah wtf |
| 19:34.11 | Unholy | gah y does labyrith work |
| 19:35.45 | phh | why not ? :D |
| 19:36.27 | Unholy | haahha |
| 19:36.35 | Unholy | i want neo core to work not that XD |
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| 19:37.40 | Unholy | ha you know y wifi dint work? because i forgot to put the modules back in my sd |
| 19:37.43 | Unholy | im so smart |
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| 19:41.40 | phh | haha |
| 19:41.55 | phh | raph800 people now needs to have both a 3D app and a call running when starting |
| 19:42.24 | bzo | same with diam500 :( |
| 19:42.41 | phh | bzo: don't worry, I'll do the same joke with camera after that :p |
| 19:43.11 | bzo | and then gps? |
| 19:43.31 | phh | I already tried, and that didn't worked really well. |
| 19:45.53 | AstainHellbring | damn phh thats crazy |
| 19:46.08 | phh | AstainHellbring: ? |
| 19:46.33 | AstainHellbring | 3d app and phone call running when starting on rhod800 |
| 19:47.23 | phh | :D |
| 19:47.30 | phh | hum dump know for rhod |
| 19:47.31 | bzo | hehe, so who knows of a 3d camera app for winmo that knows how to make phone calls? |
| 19:47.42 | phh | bzo: :D |
| 19:48.02 | phh | bzo: a virtual reality app ? :p |
| 19:48.08 | phh | and you even have gps. |
| 19:48.35 | bzo | perfect, we don't have to fix these init problems after all :P |
| 19:48.39 | Markinus | Hi |
| 19:48.48 | phh | bzo: would be useful for flashing :/ |
| 19:49.08 | phh | Markinus: I don't remember, you got 3D working in donut ? |
| 19:49.36 | Markinus | phh: no, this didn't work on topaz . . . no enough memory . . |
| 19:49.42 | phh | ah right |
| 19:49.52 | bzo | phh: yes, jk :) we all want to flash completely over someday |
| 19:51.20 | phh | Markinus: I can confirm that the pmem settings are fine btw since they work on raph too (which has same memory layout) |
| 19:51.40 | Markinus | phh: ok, I read your commit, the 3D is working now on eclair too? |
| 19:51.52 | phh | yes |
| 19:52.00 | phh | it's not my commit, it's MrPippy's one |
| 19:52.03 | Markinus | ok, I will test it, maybe a donut problem . . |
| 19:52.08 | phh | that's why it isn't switchable on the fly :D |
| 19:52.18 | phh | now with the 3D working I have a little problem |
| 19:52.28 | phh | I'm watching the 50 android games video |
| 19:52.39 | phh | I've seen only 2m25 of the 10minutes video and: |
| 19:52.42 | phh | /dev/block/loop0 247.9M 118.9M 116.2M 51% /data |
| 19:52.46 | phh | I'll have some problems :D |
| 19:53.20 | Markinus | phh: ha! |
| 19:53.32 | Markinus | :) |
| 19:54.33 | phh | (and my whole aim at porting android on my phone is unveiled, having the best game console of the world.) |
| 19:54.55 | Unholy | ok.. android froze seting up my gmail account 0o |
| 19:56.11 | Markinus | phh: But sound where good on some games, too . . :( |
| 19:56.31 | phh | Markinus: hum, I never play with sound |
| 19:56.45 | phh | (well, but FPS where sound is actually needed) |
| 19:57.05 | phh | Markinus: anyway, I guess I'll be able to help you in a week ~ |
| 19:57.15 | Markinus | phh: Yeah, your right, is for most games not needed, but sometimes :) |
| 19:57.43 | Markinus | phh: Ohhh, cool! ;) New device? |
| 19:57.54 | phh | Markinus: ReeferMattness got me a rhod :D |
| 19:58.01 | Markinus | phh: GREAT! |
| 19:58.42 | Markinus | ReeferMattness: Txh! |
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| 20:02.15 | phh | Markinus: I wonder how the 3D chip will perform on WVGA though |
| 20:03.42 | Markinus | phh: So, if CONFIG_MSM_HW3D_DONUT is the then 3D for donut and else for eclair? |
| 20:03.48 | phh | yup |
| 20:04.06 | phh | MrPippy: didn't quite a good job on that |
| 20:04.20 | phh | (still I had to fix something after him.) |
| 20:05.06 | Markinus | I test it now with eclair . . |
| 20:05.15 | phh | yay |
| 20:05.18 | phh | fsck lost my data.img |
| 20:07.52 | adamw | phh: haven't tried 3d yet, i went out for breakfast earlier |
| 20:07.56 | adamw | gonna grab latest xdandroid and try now |
| 20:09.06 | Markinus | phh: The 3D chip is working ( with the true 3d drivers) on winmo well with WVGA. I don't know how good the linux driver are . . |
| 20:09.27 | phh | Markinus: the problem is that the games are made to work just well on HVGA |
| 20:09.36 | phh | with the same 3D chip. |
| 20:09.53 | adamw | phh: what have you been testing with? |
| 20:10.00 | Markinus | phh: Ahh, okay . . . |
| 20:10.43 | phh | adamw: neocore, labyrinth lite, armageddon squadron, armadillo roll, thunder raging, homerun battle 3D, speedforge 3d |
| 20:10.44 | phh | etc :p |
| 20:10.50 | adamw | phh: yikes, ok :) |
| 20:10.54 | adamw | phh: i'll try those then |
| 20:11.10 | adamw | phh: did you figure out the flashing led trace yet btw? sorry i can't get it any more isolated :/ |
| 20:11.23 | phh | adamw: no |
| 20:11.45 | adamw | oh well |
| 20:11.53 | adamw | it's not a big feature |
| 20:12.21 | phh | well, for current state of android on rhod, not really :p |
| 20:12.25 | adamw | yeah :) |
| 20:12.47 | phh | but for current state of android on raph/diam, led handling has actually become pretty high on todolist |
| 20:12.49 | adamw | i tried a couple more things with wifi, still can't get anything...sigh |
| 20:12.57 | phh | (and then came chamonix.) |
| 20:13.08 | adamw | doesn't android have standardized led handling that you just have to hook the appropriate calls into? |
| 20:13.17 | adamw | i mean, once you've figured out the calls to change its color it should be easy right? |
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| 20:13.53 | phh | yes |
| 20:14.02 | phh | well |
| 20:14.06 | phh | I think they have nothing for flashing |
| 20:14.35 | adamw | one more reason not to worry about it too much :P |
| 20:14.43 | phh | no. |
| 20:14.51 | phh | userland flashing totally sucks |
| 20:14.58 | adamw | it's possible in windows there's no special call for 'flashing' i guess, they may just have a little windows function which turns it on then off again every so often, i dunno |
| 20:15.18 | phh | i'm pretty sure it's done in kernel |
| 20:15.24 | adamw | it just sort of turns on for a quarter second or so every 3 seconds |
| 20:15.28 | adamw | ah k |
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| 20:21.42 | Unholy | phh did you try to run emulators on eclair, i saw a video on the droid running them so that means they can run on eclair |
| 20:21.51 | phh | not yet |
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| 20:23.13 | Unholy | k also does the capasitive panel on raph110 work ok? mine stops working for no reason, i have to wait for eclair to slee then wake it then the capasitive panel work |
| 20:24.46 | MrPippy | i left the eclair driver as just MSM_HW3D because its the new driver for eclair, froyo and up...also, that means current .configs will default to the eclair driver |
| 20:28.36 | adamw | phh: booting up; getting a blank screen when normally I'd get the nexus one splash |
| 20:28.43 | phh | adamw: meaning it doesn't work |
| 20:28.51 | adamw | yup |
| 20:28.54 | adamw | dmesg ? |
| 20:29.00 | phh | no |
| 20:29.06 | adamw | then... |
| 20:29.10 | GNUtoo|oeee | hi leviathan |
| 20:29.16 | GNUtoo|oeee | we didn't saw you today |
| 20:29.29 | phh | adamw: try launching haret while http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425216 this app is running |
| 20:29.35 | phh | it helps for some users |
| 20:29.57 | adamw | phh: I had touchflo 3d running, fwiw |
| 20:30.08 | phh | adamw: I'm not sure touchflo 3D is fine for that actually |
| 20:30.11 | adamw | ok |
| 20:30.13 | adamw | will grab that then |
| 20:30.31 | phh | I think someone said that even if he has touchflo3d, he had to launch this app |
| 20:31.04 | Unholy | ya that apps does the trick, i di it for me |
| 20:31.29 | phh | Unholy: and you run touchflo3d ? |
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| 20:33.49 | adamw | heh |
| 20:33.51 | adamw | doesn't run |
| 20:33.55 | adamw | 'invaliddeviceexception' |
| 20:33.59 | phh | bah |
| 20:34.00 | phh | unfair. |
| 20:34.01 | adamw | i'll see if I can find something else... |
| 20:34.11 | phh | any 3D app will work |
| 20:34.12 | adamw | there's a note in the thread about that app, actually, for making it run on touch hd |
| 20:34.16 | phh | opengl maybe |
| 20:34.26 | adamw | i wonder if there's something different about 3d hardware in some phones... |
| 20:34.27 | phh | works for touch hd but not topa/rhod ? |
| 20:34.28 | phh | weird |
| 20:34.37 | adamw | well the thing is it says you have to do something special |
| 20:34.41 | adamw | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2972398&postcount=417 |
| 20:35.04 | adamw | dunno if I should do that for rhod though... |
| 20:35.10 | MrPippy | the vogue does an rpc call before it powers up the ime clock, maybe try that |
| 20:35.30 | phh | MrPippy: reallly ? |
| 20:35.31 | phh | I missed it |
| 20:35.52 | phh | MrPippy: where ? |
| 20:36.12 | MrPippy | in clock-7x00, when it enables and disables the GRP_CLK |
| 20:36.18 | MrPippy | only does it on 7500 though |
| 20:37.52 | phh | we also have this "regime sec" stuff |
| 20:37.57 | phh | it's worth trying |
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| 20:40.34 | phh | oh |
| 20:40.37 | phh | but we can overclock the 3D chip :D |
| 20:40.44 | adamw | oh, hey, the touch hd instructions work |
| 20:41.12 | adamw | trying android again now |
| 20:42.13 | adamw | still blank splash |
| 20:42.15 | Markinus | phh: On my device black screen with eclair, I have this message: D/EGL.oem ( 1187): system process, deny GL context |
| 20:42.15 | Markinus | E/libEGL ( 1187): No EGLDisplay for hardware EGL! |
| 20:42.39 | Markinus | (No splashscreen, Black screen on start 3D app ) |
| 20:43.10 | phh | Markinus: this part is normal |
| 20:43.16 | phh | what do you get after that ? |
| 20:44.41 | Markinus | phh: http://pastebin.com/m44674223 |
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| 20:44.55 | playdo | evening |
| 20:45.37 | phh | Markinus: no erreor at all there |
| 20:45.45 | phh | it just does what it is supposed to do |
| 20:45.56 | Markinus | hmmmmmmm |
| 20:46.04 | playdo | phh: hologram is running smooth, but android still doesnt got hw3d |
| 20:46.25 | phh | maybe you have a clever 3D driver that disable 3D when 3D isn't displaid :/ |
| 20:46.51 | playdo | is confused |
| 20:48.33 | phh | Markinus: dump rpc after enabling 3D and see if there is a call to a 3000000f proc |
| 20:49.22 | Markinus | phh: In winmo, yes? |
| 20:49.25 | phh | yes |
| 20:52.04 | playdo | so no 3d on blackstone? |
| 20:53.29 | phh | playdo: hum, someone said it works for black. |
| 20:54.08 | playdo | phh dont remember who? maybe its the rom |
| 20:54.16 | phh | playdo: see babijoee's thread |
| 20:54.32 | playdo | phh k, thx i will look |
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| 20:58.31 | phh | cr2_: why is the clk_regime_sec_grp_rail_on with a '?' ? |
| 20:58.51 | phh | the argument is not sure or just not understood ? |
| 20:59.22 | cr2_ | phh: let me look |
| 20:59.41 | Markinus | phh: ohh, I see in my winmo rom there are no hw 3d drivers . . only origin. I think this could be a reason or? |
| 20:59.56 | Markinus | phh: I'm installing |
| 21:00.04 | phh | Markinus: you have no hardware 3D driver at all ? |
| 21:00.22 | Markinus | phh: I forgott to install this after last upgrade . . |
| 21:00.30 | phh | I might dream that HTC began to deliver real 3D driver last year |
| 21:00.36 | Markinus | used only haret on this rom :) |
| 21:00.37 | cr2_ | phh: i don't know what is 16e36 |
| 21:00.59 | adamw | phh: one of the steps in the touch hd instructions was to install 'ati 3d driver' or something |
| 21:01.03 | cr2_ | phh: but i've seen this value in a dump. maybe it's some stray junk |
| 21:01.04 | adamw | so I may not have had one either... |
| 21:01.05 | phh | cr2_: but that's the only argument wince uses ? (but 0 I mean) |
| 21:01.09 | phh | ok |
| 21:01.15 | Markinus | I have a dutty's rom . . seems that there are no 3d drivers . . |
| 21:01.20 | cr2_ | phh: 0/1 probably |
| 21:01.22 | adamw | is on energy |
| 21:01.28 | phh | cr2_: ok I'll try both |
| 21:01.32 | playdo | markinus: have u tried the hologram app? |
| 21:01.38 | phh | first I have to cleanup my internal storage. |
| 21:01.42 | Markinus | yea .. . 0.01 FPS |
| 21:01.45 | playdo | markinus, when its running, it kills sense somehow |
| 21:01.48 | phh | Markinus: so no opengles driver at least :p |
| 21:01.55 | Markinus | phh: yeah . . . |
| 21:01.56 | cr2_ | phh: i think these numbers are offset on topa/rhod |
| 21:01.58 | adamw | had 17fps in that |
| 21:02.08 | Unholy | 25 here =o |
| 21:02.11 | adamw | so i guess my accel is working in windows |
| 21:02.13 | playdo | had 17 to 50 fps |
| 21:02.18 | Unholy | XD |
| 21:02.23 | playdo | depending on settings ^ |
| 21:02.34 | phh | cr2_: you mean that the clock rpc ids are +1 as for gps ? |
| 21:02.38 | playdo | bah still no start animation |
| 21:02.43 | cr2_ | phh: i think -1 |
| 21:02.50 | cr2_ | phh: but i need to check it later |
| 21:02.56 | phh | cr2_: oh right gps is -1 |
| 21:03.00 | phh | (it's relative :p) |
| 21:03.17 | cr2_ | 7,8 will be 6,7 |
| 21:03.24 | cr2_ | don't know about others |
| 21:03.28 | phh | yup |
| 21:03.35 | phh | anyway, I first need it working on 5220 |
| 21:03.37 | cr2_ | phh: btw, what is pdsm 1a on topa ? |
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| 21:03.43 | cr2_ | phh: 5225 |
| 21:03.46 | Markinus | phh: okay, 10 FPS is okey ( are not the newest drivers but now hw3d is working) |
| 21:03.58 | Unholy | makinus try the topaz ones |
| 21:04.01 | Unholy | there pretty fast |
| 21:04.03 | Unholy | for winmo |
| 21:04.11 | phh | cr2_: still don't know, might be report time to gps proc ? |
| 21:04.14 | cr2_ | phh: 0x1a,frag topaz:9,1f40,a,1000,... |
| 21:04.25 | playdo | markinus: what phone do u use? |
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| 21:04.30 | phh | cr2_: I don't remember, is that the first call android's libgps does ? |
| 21:04.30 | Markinus | Topaz |
| 21:04.38 | playdo | markinus is android running with hw3d? |
| 21:04.40 | cr2_ | phh: hmm. should be visible in the .dll |
| 21:05.03 | cr2_ | phh: pdsm_client_init (1) |
| 21:05.11 | cr2_ | phh: hm. it's not in wiki :) |
| 21:05.11 | Markinus | playdo: it's working only if you have true HW3D drivers on winmo |
| 21:05.18 | phh | cr2_: maybe the one just after ? :D |
| 21:05.34 | Markinus | playdo: I forgott to install this . .. I'm now on testing |
| 21:05.42 | playdo | markinus: are the ones from hologram not real h23d? |
| 21:05.45 | playdo | hw3d |
| 21:05.52 | cr2_ | phh: no. xtra =b as on wince |
| 21:06.00 | Markinus | playdo: Hmm I think yes . . |
| 21:06.39 | playdo | doesnt work for me so far on blackstone markiju |
| 21:06.39 | cr2_ | phh: this table needs 2 more columns ;) for 6125 and 1550 amss |
| 21:07.03 | phh | cr2_: oh and I tried to send a REBOOT_ARM9 |
| 21:07.05 | cr2_ | phh: don't know how to do it in a reasobale way |
| 21:07.16 | cr2_ | phh: it's already pita to read this table |
| 21:07.21 | phh | the same thing as with pdsm_get_position happens |
| 21:07.23 | cr2_ | reboot arm9 ? |
| 21:07.35 | phh | cr2_: there is a dex reboot arm9 yes |
| 21:07.50 | cr2_ | as in put magic value in smem and set gpio25=0 ? |
| 21:08.15 | phh | no |
| 21:08.20 | Googleman | does anyone know how to patching elf binary ? |
| 21:08.39 | cr2_ | phh: ok |
| 21:08.57 | phh | cr2_: PCOM_RESET_ARM9 = 0x22, |
| 21:09.01 | phh | this one |
| 21:10.10 | cr2_ | phh: looks strange in wiki |
| 21:10.18 | cr2_ | phh: needs to be rechecked |
| 21:10.22 | phh | I already lost the code of what I actually tried, won't be funny else. |
| 21:10.30 | AstainHellbring | hmm so I may just have an hd2 soon to go along with my expo |
| 21:10.34 | AstainHellbring | Aussie hd2 |
| 21:10.40 | phh | cr2_: IIRC I sent this dex, waited for 1s, then waited for SMSM_RUN bit to set in arm9's state smem |
| 21:11.05 | phh | (and the SMSM_RUN took some time to appear) |
| 21:11.06 | cr2_ | phh: and it never come back ? |
| 21:11.25 | phh | smsm_run came back, but dex calls timeouted |
| 21:11.37 | cr2_ | status reg? |
| 21:12.21 | phh | hum don't know |
| 21:12.27 | cr2_ | phh: i think that we need to register the dex irq, and ack the demuxed interrupts |
| 21:12.29 | Googleman | any know how to modify elf binary without segfault error ? |
| 21:12.37 | phh | cr2_: sounds right |
| 21:13.12 | cr2_ | phh: even if we will ignore them |
| 21:13.59 | cr2_ | phh: otherwise arm9 may be confused that its irqs are not acked |
| 21:14.18 | phh | right |
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| 21:19.12 | phh | Markinus: have you done your donut release with tiwlan btw ? |
| 21:19.58 | Markinus | phh: no, had no much time on weekend, but I'm on it |
| 21:23.17 | JairunCaloth | has anyone tried building the msm/qsd x driver? |
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| 21:32.35 | phh | 768MB data.img |
| 21:32.41 | phh | I hope it will be enough :D |
| 21:33.17 | stinebd | 640 should be enough for anybody |
| 21:33.35 | phh | :))) |
| 21:35.17 | Markinus | phh: ha! :-) (this is a reason too that my new build isn't ready . . I hope to make the 3D drivers work . .) |
| 21:35.47 | phh | Markinus: ah right |
| 21:39.44 | Markinus | phh: Now I installed the 3D drivers, restarted, started Touchflow . .but the same . .. No splashscreen, black on 3d :( |
| 21:41.12 | Markinus | phh: Do you know whether it's working on Rhor or not? |
| 21:41.16 | Markinus | Rhod |
| 21:41.16 | phh | no |
| 21:42.35 | MrPippy | from haret i dumped the grp/imem clk control and it was turned on (i do run tf3d) |
| 21:42.43 | adamw | Markinus: it's not, no |
| 21:42.57 | adamw | Markinus: you may wanna try running that hologram app before android too, phh suggested (though it didn't help me) |
| 21:43.28 | Markinus | adamw: I did this, but didn't help |
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| 21:46.26 | Markinus | phh: could be this a problem with the amss config file for 6125? |
| 21:46.41 | phh | Markinus: no, we have no amss specific stuff for 3D |
| 21:46.48 | Markinus | phh_ ok |
| 21:46.48 | phh | but maybe we need grp_rail_on |
| 21:46.58 | phh | and for them, the rpc ids might be different |
| 21:47.30 | Markinus | phh: Ok, I will now dump it in winmo |
| 21:47.54 | phh | Markinus: I don't think it's going to be easy though |
| 21:48.34 | Markinus | (good that phh has a new device soon :) ) |
| 21:48.40 | phh | lol |
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| 22:05.21 | dcordes | hi |
| 22:18.38 | Markinus | phh: here is the 3d init http://pastebin.com/m1059406b |
| 22:18.59 | phh | Unknown keyword: `ls' |
| 22:18.59 | phh | lol :p |
| 22:19.19 | Googleman | any one can help me with linux elf binary ? |
| 22:19.31 | Googleman | i replaced a some strings in binary after that i got segfault :( ? |
| 22:20.28 | Markinus | phh: yes :) this was a wrong windows :) |
| 22:20.39 | phh | no 0x30....0f call |
| 22:20.48 | phh | Googleman: don't just its length. |
| 22:20.52 | Markinus | phh: Yes . . . |
| 22:21.10 | phh | Markinus: how do you test trigger 3D init ? |
| 22:21.54 | Markinus | I starting wonmo without Manilla, the starting Haret then Hologramm |
| 22:21.59 | Markinus | winmo |
| 22:22.02 | phh | sounds right. |
| 22:22.26 | Googleman | phh i just replaced 1 with 3 i didnt make any in lench ? |
| 22:22.39 | Markinus | I did it 2 times . .both without 0x30....0f . . |
| 22:22.44 | phh | cr2_: is there any tool that would do something like "strace" for windows mobile ? |
| 22:22.57 | phh | (cr2 or anyone.) |
| 22:23.11 | phh | Googleman: should work if you did it correctly. |
| 22:23.21 | Googleman | is there soft for dissasembling and reassembling elf ? |
| 22:23.32 | phh | Googleman: lol |
| 22:23.37 | Googleman | or tools for that ? |
| 22:23.37 | phh | you don't need to disassemble for that |
| 22:24.02 | Googleman | i do it with hexedit |
| 22:24.17 | phh | maybe it's because the value you set is stupid then. |
| 22:24.25 | Googleman | find string put 3 place 1 and save it |
| 22:24.43 | Googleman | nah it version of file |
| 22:25.04 | Googleman | did u have free time ? |
| 22:25.26 | phh | no |
| 22:26.13 | Googleman | ok :) |
| 22:26.30 | Googleman | its mistary |
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| 22:26.41 | Googleman | i do this much times |
| 22:26.49 | Googleman | i never tried with elf format |
| 22:27.53 | IceBone | Noooooo! |
| 22:27.59 | IceBone | My phone froze! |
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| 22:28.18 | phh | IceBone: uptime = 4h ? |
| 22:28.24 | IceBone | 48. |
| 22:28.31 | phh | ah right |
| 22:28.36 | phh | you didn't update |
| 22:28.41 | Unholy | btw mystique foetus works =D little choppy but it works |
| 22:28.47 | IceBone | Then it started acting weird during an incoming call and crashed completely when I called the person back. |
| 22:28.57 | phh | Unholy: i didn't understand a step of this game :p |
| 22:29.09 | IceBone | What should I update to? |
| 22:29.16 | Unholy | what do you mean step phh? |
| 22:29.19 | phh | IceBone: see babijoee's thread |
| 22:29.22 | phh | Unholy: bah gameplay |
| 22:29.28 | Unholy | ah hehe |
| 22:29.29 | IceBone | Reading right now, got 3 more pages. |
| 22:30.03 | IceBone | phh: will the data.img hold? Or will I lose all my info again? |
| 22:30.05 | Unholy | im trying out snowrally |
| 22:30.14 | phh | why wouldn't it hold ? |
| 22:30.22 | phh | Unholy: quite unusable :/ |
| 22:30.30 | IceBone | I dunno, last 2 builds I lost all my messages and other app info. |
| 22:30.35 | Unholy | yup 3d engine never inits |
| 22:30.38 | phh | IceBone: oO |
| 22:30.40 | phh | Unholy: uh ? |
| 22:30.46 | phh | Unholy: it starts, but it's unplayable |
| 22:30.53 | IceBone | phh: exactly. |
| 22:30.56 | Unholy | aye |
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| 22:31.36 | Unholy | phh what about the emulators? did you get any fo them to work iv tried the snes one and the gba one both close whn you select a game |
| 22:33.33 | phh | Unholy: not today |
| 22:33.48 | Unholy | oks |
| 22:33.56 | Unholy | il keep trying apps |
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| 22:35.31 | IceBone | Oh great... now I need a 3d app in winmo. |
| 22:35.51 | stinebd | touchflo3d is clearly a lie |
| 22:35.56 | IceBone | I don't have it. |
| 22:36.00 | Unholy | hologram works great |
| 22:36.08 | IceBone | link 2 cab? |
| 22:36.30 | Unholy | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425216 |
| 22:36.42 | IceBone | thank ye |
| 22:36.46 | Unholy | np |
| 22:37.29 | IceBone | Is this just the first run or every run? |
| 22:39.18 | Unholy | evryrun |
| 22:39.20 | Unholy | =/ |
| 22:41.14 | IceBone | Is gallery fixed in this new build=? |
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| 22:48.22 | Unholy | wow speedforge works nice |
| 22:49.04 | IceBone | Unholy: well, fuck that. |
| 22:49.36 | Unholy | wha happen? |
| 22:49.53 | IceBone | yozgatg will have to modify his dualbooter to run the hologram ap before booting linux, then. |
| 22:50.28 | Unholy | you could always add hologram ashurcut to winmo starup |
| 22:50.34 | Unholy | startup* |
| 22:50.45 | IceBone | It's automatic bootup. |
| 22:50.53 | IceBone | I don't know how to add to it. |
| 22:51.12 | Unholy | oh |
| 22:51.27 | Unholy | hmm dunno that loader sit before winmo startup |
| 22:51.30 | Unholy | or part of it |
| 22:51.34 | Unholy | so i dont know about that |
| 22:51.35 | IceBone | No, it isn't. |
| 22:51.43 | Unholy | after? |
| 22:52.02 | IceBone | No, before. |
| 22:52.45 | Unholy | ok |
| 22:52.50 | Unholy | y not unistall it? |
| 22:52.56 | Unholy | or do you have the actual rom |
| 22:53.05 | IceBone | It's part of the rom. |
| 22:53.12 | Unholy | ah sucks |
| 22:53.23 | IceBone | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623048 |
| 22:53.38 | Unholy | well you can always load winmo first then load hologram and last haret |
| 22:54.17 | IceBone | Would go against the whole principle of the thing... |
| 22:54.27 | Unholy | =/ |
| 22:54.35 | Unholy | then your out of luck i guess |
| 22:54.46 | IceBone | Unless yoz modifies it. |
| 22:55.41 | Unholy | yea or yogzah updates it |
| 22:56.12 | IceBone | So what's a good ap in android to test 3d? |
| 22:56.40 | Unholy | that works for me um speedroge |
| 22:56.44 | Unholy | and mystique |
| 22:56.58 | Unholy | you can try neocore but that dosent run for me |
| 22:59.17 | phh | Unholy: you can play speedforge ? |
| 22:59.27 | phh | for me it's totally unplayable |
| 22:59.29 | phh | (and I think it's the game.) |
| 23:00.03 | Unholy | yes i can |
| 23:00.05 | Unholy | perfectly |
| 23:00.17 | Unholy | btw try raging tthunder this game looks amazing |
| 23:00.26 | phh | it's already installed :p |
| 23:00.58 | Unholy | haha XD |
| 23:01.37 | phh | all polarbits games rox |
| 23:01.44 | IceBone | Bah |
| 23:01.59 | IceBone | Ran neocore. Got to the menu. Hit benchmark, returned to the home screen. |
| 23:02.18 | stinebd | and this is how android diam/raph development died. phh got games. |
| 23:02.42 | Unholy | lol |
| 23:03.24 | phh | stinebd: don't worry, I got games before :p |
| 23:03.28 | phh | on donut |
| 23:03.32 | stinebd | ah |
| 23:03.42 | phh | and games was my actual motivation to hurry sensors driver :p |
| 23:03.50 | stinebd | find a camera-based game |
| 23:03.52 | stinebd | ;) |
| 23:03.54 | Unholy | light racer 3d also works |
| 23:04.28 | phh | stinebd: enhanced reality software are lovely :p |
| 23:04.51 | Unholy | gbc emulator works meh crap |
| 23:05.43 | phh | (android + home++ + all games) = <3 |
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| 23:05.54 | Paul_away | phh, you are still not sleep :) ? |
| 23:05.58 | Unholy | lol |
| 23:06.05 | phh | Paul_away: I have some english homework to do |
| 23:06.08 | phh | so I play raghing thunder |
| 23:06.09 | Unholy | meeeeeh genesis emulator works also |
| 23:06.28 | Paul_Ishenin | how your fight with hw3d? |
| 23:07.32 | phh | Paul_Ishenin: my fight is done. |
| 23:07.53 | Paul_Ishenin | I see, now we will |
| 23:08.10 | phh | I still have to fight for rhod/topa it seems |
| 23:08.46 | Paul_Ishenin | so diamond is ok? |
| 23:09.55 | phh | yup |
| 23:12.25 | Unholy | err.. |
| 23:12.54 | Unholy | i just tryed the lite version of gameboid and it worked? |
| 23:13.04 | Unholy | but the full version dosent? |
| 23:13.37 | phh | same version ? |
| 23:13.43 | phh | I mean revision |
| 23:13.48 | Unholy | nop probly updated versions |
| 23:13.50 | Unholy | mine are old |
| 23:14.29 | Unholy | this means they do work hurray |
| 23:14.30 | Unholy | lol |
| 23:15.12 | Unholy | yup snes works now |
| 23:15.18 | Unholy | this is so great |
| 23:17.43 | IceBone | Speed racer works great. |
| 23:18.22 | Unholy | eye |
| 23:18.44 | Unholy | try raging thunder |
| 23:18.56 | IceBone | Meh. |
| 23:19.03 | IceBone | I didn't get this phone for the 3d games. |
| 23:19.47 | Unholy | our hpones werent made for android ether =P |
| 23:19.50 | Unholy | phones* |
| 23:20.04 | IceBone | Yes, but I want Android. :P |
| 23:20.34 | IceBone | And crashed when disabling wifi. :( |
| 23:21.05 | Unholy | i take it easy with wifi |
| 23:21.15 | Unholy | i wait a few minutes before turning it off |
| 23:21.22 | stinebd | i keep wifi off so i can trash att's network more |
| 23:21.24 | Unholy | and always do from the power widget |
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| 23:27.25 | IceBone | WTF... ALL apps are running from the get go. |
| 23:27.37 | IceBone | That's a bit odd. |
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| 23:37.40 | IceBone | Well, after 4 attempts, finally able to turn off wifi. |
| 23:38.13 | Unholy | dang |
| 23:38.25 | Unholy | i just ended a call with my brother and had wifi on |
| 23:38.31 | Unholy | the is like a friken volcano right now |
| 23:38.35 | Unholy | i can fry eggs in it |
| 23:38.36 | Unholy | XD |
| 23:38.54 | stinebd | that's about how mine acts even in winmo |
| 23:39.15 | Unholy | dunno my wifi get hot i winmo, but this is way hotter |
| 23:41.28 | IceBone | There's a guy selling a brand new Magic for 239 euro. |
| 23:41.30 | IceBone | Should I buy it? |
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| 23:44.54 | noisyzen | just flashed her phone's ROM for the very first time. |
| 23:45.40 | IceBone | I hope it wasn't too rough on you. |
| 23:45.47 | noisyzen | At first it was. |
| 23:45.59 | noisyzen | Had to download and install a cab file to get hard spl to recognize that it was synced. |
| 23:46.23 | noisyzen | Then I panicked |
| 23:46.25 | IceBone | Was it all you hoped for? |
| 23:46.29 | noisyzen | and Markinus saved me. |
| 23:46.40 | noisyzen | and then I had some SD card issues... but I reformatted... |
| 23:46.43 | noisyzen | and voila, I have sense 2.5 |
| 23:46.59 | noisyzen | yeah, I think it's WAY better looking than the Stock AT&T pure rom. |
| 23:47.02 | IceBone | You've popped your flash cherry. |
| 23:48.40 | Paul_Ishenin | hw3d is indeed working |
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| 23:48.56 | IceBone | Yeah, but this build is weird. |
| 23:49.54 | Paul_Ishenin | what is weird? |
| 23:50.17 | IceBone | Well, ALL apps seem to be running from the start. |
| 23:51.13 | slight | yeah i'm getting that too |
| 23:51.47 | Paul_Ishenin | don't see anything weird here |
| 23:52.14 | IceBone | Run the task killer app right after boot. |
| 23:52.45 | IceBone | WTF, wifi is back on. |
| 23:53.02 | IceBone | And crashed after turning it off. |
| 23:53.17 | IceBone | Fuck 3D, if basic stability is down the drain. |
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| 23:55.16 | junalmeida | Hi 4all. Anyone can help-me booting xdandroid on DIAM130? |
| 23:55.16 | junalmeida | I tryed many kernels and all of them gives me "bad pc value": http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=277576&d=1265465184 |
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| 23:56.57 | noisyzen | haha yup. |
| 23:57.24 | JairunCaloth | Hey, has anyone tried to build the msm/qsd X driver? |
| 23:57.51 | noisyzen | uh oh. no data since flashing. |
| 23:59.13 | noisyzen | phew. found the settings for that. |
| 23:59.51 | IceBone | Ok, finally disabled wifi without it crashing. Let's hope it stays off this time. |
