| 00:00.50 | noisyzen | good evening/morning |
| 00:09.38 | IceBone | I saw an HTC Magic running Sense. How complete is the port? |
| 00:10.28 | IceBone | Or is it straight from HTC? |
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| 00:12.43 | Boydell | http://tinyurl.com/yg24v2h |
| 00:12.51 | Boydell | IceBone: ^^^ |
| 00:13.11 | Boydell | noisyzen: I think you should just say "Good day all". it fits |
| 00:13.30 | noisyzen | Boydell: haha, there ya go. |
| 00:13.35 | noisyzen | Boydell: nice link. |
| 00:13.44 | noisyzen | Boydell: that's one of my favorites to send folks. |
| 00:13.51 | Boydell | Best thing I've ever found too |
| 00:14.04 | Boydell | Its like, uh, seriously, you have fingers, look it u p |
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| 00:16.42 | IceBone | Boydell: hardee har har |
| 00:17.25 | IceBone | Yeah, I did google it, but would like to know more, you people are usually more knowledgable. Would I need to root it or does HTC provide upgrade software as well as the new rom? |
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| 00:22.35 | Trab | haha |
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| 00:22.45 | Trab | lioncat55 |
| 00:22.47 | Trab | are you here? |
| 00:23.02 | Trab | (you'll note that it says in the topic, htc-linux is not android |
| 00:24.08 | Boydell | is not, but includes |
| 00:25.36 | Boydell | IceBone: is the majic a "google" branded phone? |
| 00:25.37 | Trab | oh I see |
| 00:25.41 | Boydell | *magic |
| 00:26.39 | Boydell | IceBone: http://www.htc.com/europe/SupportDownload.aspx?cat=2&dl_id=862&p_id=267 |
| 00:27.10 | Trab | Boydell: is this room +R ?? |
| 00:27.22 | Boydell | +R? |
| 00:27.33 | Trab | do you have to be registered to talk |
| 00:27.38 | Boydell | yah |
| 00:27.38 | Trab | lioncat55 says he can't talk |
| 00:27.45 | mickey|zzZZzz | +r exists no more |
| 00:27.45 | Trab | that's what I figured |
| 00:27.51 | mickey|zzZZzz | but channel admins should read http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/migration-to-new-ircd/ |
| 00:27.51 | Trab | oh really? |
| 00:27.54 | mickey|zzZZzz | g'night |
| 00:28.15 | Boydell | you have to be registared and identified |
| 00:28.16 | Boydell | spam bots |
| 00:28.18 | Trab | mode #channel +q $~a |
| 00:28.19 | Boydell | took over |
| 00:28.20 | Trab | is why |
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| 00:42.10 | lioncat55 | hello |
| 00:42.45 | Boydell | hello lioncat55 |
| 00:43.21 | lioncat55 | are you by chance working with android |
| 00:43.45 | Boydell | Well, following it, trying, why? |
| 00:45.03 | lioncat55 | i would like to work on porting android on to the Touch Pro 2 cdma verison |
| 00:45.26 | Boydell | hmm. I'm not sure who is working on that phone.. |
| 00:45.39 | lioncat55 | i know one guy |
| 00:45.49 | Boydell | who? |
| 00:46.07 | lioncat55 | one mic |
| 00:46.18 | Boydell | one mic? |
| 00:46.28 | lioncat55 | min sorry |
| 00:46.35 | lioncat55 | i can miss spell a lot |
| 00:46.35 | Boydell | ah ok lol |
| 00:48.07 | Boydell | ah ok |
| 00:49.28 | lioncat55 | 95-civic over at ppcgeeks |
| 00:50.15 | Boydell | No idea, if anyone else knows they can chime in. |
| 00:50.27 | MrPippy | haven't seen him in here, adamw has been working on gsm tp2 and markinus has gsm td2 |
| 00:50.44 | Boydell | Though alot of people are from europe side of the world are sleeping? lol |
| 00:50.50 | Boydell | MrPippy: where are you from? |
| 00:50.53 | lioncat55 | there are a lot of guys working on the gsm version |
| 00:50.59 | Boydell | you always seemto be on this time of day |
| 00:51.14 | MrPippy | san diego |
| 00:51.25 | Boydell | ah that makes sense then |
| 00:51.29 | MrPippy | yeah i'm on pretty much all time of day |
| 00:51.45 | Boydell | haha. You dont chirp in too often though |
| 00:52.29 | Boydell | MrPippy: do you have alot of diam500 testers? |
| 00:53.41 | lioncat55 | how many of you work well with android |
| 00:54.36 | Boydell | Not I. It confusing the shit out of me |
| 00:54.39 | MrPippy | only diam500 people in here are me and bzo, theres lots of rabbling in my xda thread but overall its less people than raph |
| 00:54.48 | IceBone | I only test it, can't develop for shit. |
| 00:55.01 | MrPippy | yeah we're mostly working with linux and hoping we don't have to mess with android itself |
| 00:55.01 | noisyzen | I've decided to learn C so I can mess around with it. |
| 00:55.10 | Boydell | hm. I know a guy that has a Diamond on bell, i imagine its a diam500 |
| 00:55.27 | Boydell | noisyzen: thats what im doing/did |
| 00:55.43 | Boydell | i have a bunch to learn, but i made C my first |
| 00:56.12 | lioncat55 | i know some C |
| 00:56.24 | noisyzen | Boydell: Nice. I am a perl developer and I used to use Ruby |
| 00:56.31 | MrPippy | i've been looking to get a cdma touch pro 2 but $300+ is a lot |
| 00:56.34 | noisyzen | Boydell: tinkered with python a bit |
| 00:56.50 | lioncat55 | i got my cdma TP2 for $0 brandnew |
| 00:57.10 | lioncat55 | love black friday |
| 00:57.10 | Boydell | noisyzen: ive done c# and Visual Basic :D |
| 00:57.11 | Boydell | haha |
| 00:57.20 | noisyzen | Boydell: I haven't done either :) |
| 00:57.36 | Boydell | dont ever waste your time |
| 00:57.58 | MrPippy | that must have been with a new plan or contract, i'm on sero so sprint wouldn't help me out at all |
| 00:58.30 | lioncat55 | it was with a contract or upgrade with uscc |
| 00:58.39 | noisyzen | haha nice |
| 00:58.54 | lioncat55 | thay had all phones free with a new contract or a upgrade |
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| 01:00.16 | Boydell | noisyzen: i still need to decide what I want to go to school for :( |
| 01:00.45 | Boydell | how is being a developer/programmer? |
| 01:01.40 | noisyzen | Boydell: I didn't go to school for it. I have been in IT for like 12 years, programming for 3 or 4 of em |
| 01:01.45 | noisyzen | i love it |
| 01:01.52 | Boydell | hmm. |
| 01:02.22 | Boydell | Well my program options that I've narrowed it down to are Computer Engineering Technology or Computer Programmer |
| 01:02.54 | Boydell | Engineering technology takes 4 years with a total of 20 monthes co-op |
| 01:03.00 | Boydell | computer programmer is 2 years |
| 01:03.06 | lioncat55 | robotics is what i love |
| 01:03.21 | Boydell | See tht seems fun. |
| 01:03.23 | Boydell | *that |
| 01:03.34 | lioncat55 | it is a lot of fun |
| 01:03.52 | Boydell | the engineering technology one is programming, micro-controllers, robotics, everything |
| 01:04.21 | Boydell | I'm not looking forward to learning assembly either way.. |
| 01:04.44 | lioncat55 | ever heard about solidworks? |
| 01:04.50 | Boydell | no? |
| 01:05.10 | noisyzen | nice. |
| 01:05.12 | noisyzen | semi afk |
| 01:05.18 | noisyzen | (half away from keyboard talking) |
| 01:05.18 | noisyzen | or |
| 01:05.19 | noisyzen | & |
| 01:05.20 | noisyzen | :) |
| 01:05.24 | lioncat55 | its CAD softwere |
| 01:05.29 | MrPippy | this is mostly a generalization, but the computer programmer one is probably just higher-level stuff: java/c#/vb |
| 01:05.31 | Boydell | Oh ok |
| 01:05.59 | lioncat55 | afk |
| 01:06.14 | MrPippy | if you like hardware, want to work with C or Linux and embedded stuff, engineering is the way to go |
| 01:06.41 | Boydell | MrPippy: thats what I was thinking, just learn MORE languages in depth. Im learning C, Java, C++, Perl, Python, Apache, MySQL and PHP on my own |
| 01:07.09 | Boydell | MrPippy: But I think your right, I like hardware, so that is prob the way to go |
| 01:09.12 | lioncat55 | back |
| 01:14.50 | noisyzen | back momentarily |
| 01:16.01 | noisyzen | I started out doing tech support about 13 years ago, and then network stuff, then a little telecom... network analyst... helpdesk... and then finally programming |
| 01:16.25 | noisyzen | I've been more interested in software, but the hardware stuff here is really interesting |
| 01:16.29 | noisyzen | brb |
| 01:17.03 | Boydell | noisyzen: Ive done support/help desk type stuff it blew |
| 01:17.33 | Boydell | also worked on the networking side/server end of things. That was interesting |
| 01:18.22 | lioncat55 | any one heard about androidonhtc.com |
| 01:20.02 | Boydell | yah that seems to be out dated though |
| 01:20.55 | lioncat55 | not to outdated |
| 01:21.17 | MrPippy | yeah at least the rhodium page seems mostly up to date |
| 01:21.22 | lioncat55 | it points me to here to chat with them....seems like non of then are on |
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| 01:23.11 | Boydell | there hasnt been any real breakthroughs latly |
| 01:23.12 | Boydell | well |
| 01:23.17 | Boydell | the extra ram :) |
| 01:24.02 | MrPippy | new touchscreen driver is a big improvement too |
| 01:24.16 | Boydell | but i would say, its ALMOST flashable, just need better power managment, and mic to work without calling |
| 01:24.19 | Boydell | yah |
| 01:24.23 | MrPippy | adamw has been working on rhodium wifi |
| 01:24.24 | Boydell | except mine sketchs out |
| 01:24.44 | Boydell | its super had to move thring are on the home screen |
| 01:24.58 | MrPippy | hmm someone in my thread said that too |
| 01:25.14 | Boydell | well it for some reason breaks the "connection" |
| 01:25.20 | Boydell | I dont know how else to say that |
| 01:25.38 | Boydell | Wont registar that your "Holding" your finger there |
| 01:26.03 | MrPippy | have you tried the pointer location tool in dev tools? |
| 01:26.13 | Boydell | Yah |
| 01:26.17 | Boydell | it seems to work |
| 01:26.28 | adamw | MrPippy: well, when you say 'working', you mean 'stabbing about blindly' |
| 01:26.32 | Boydell | but again, ill be drawing and it just "breaks" off |
| 01:27.05 | MrPippy | hehe yeah |
| 01:27.19 | adamw | MrPippy: still doesn't work with the calibration we got out of the nand dump, btw. just tested. :/ |
| 01:27.49 | MrPippy | you know the calibration was the right size and offset? |
| 01:27.59 | adamw | well it's a text file |
| 01:28.03 | adamw | so it's pretty obvious it's the right thing |
| 01:28.11 | adamw | the layout is the same as the others we have, just with different details |
| 01:28.23 | noisyzen | Boydell: yeah, support/helpdesk sucks |
| 01:28.45 | adamw | MrPippy: http://www.happyassassin.net/extras/rhodium-calibration |
| 01:28.58 | Boydell | noisyzen: alot of people I just wanted to SMACK |
| 01:29.10 | noisyzen | Boydell: that's why they have you on the phone. So you can't smack the people. |
| 01:29.27 | MrPippy | wow really thats it? nice job broadcom, the tiwlan one is a big binary blob |
| 01:29.53 | adamw | well there is a firmware file as well |
| 01:30.14 | MrPippy | ah yeah |
| 01:30.27 | adamw | MrPippy: and there's a mysterious file named bin/BCM4325D0_004.001.007.0168.0169.hcd in the gw620 ROM dump |
| 01:30.32 | adamw | which I really have no idea what it is |
| 01:30.50 | adamw | (although 4.1.7.168.169 is the version of the dhd driver in the gw620 rom) |
| 01:30.58 | MrPippy | theres other mysterious broadcom stuff in there too |
| 01:32.03 | adamw | the only legible thing strings can get out of the bcm file is "BCM4325D0 26 MHz Class 1.5 for ATOS_TY" |
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| 01:32.44 | Boydell | noisyzen: thanks god for the phone. trust me, people would have been hit. Although I was tier 2, so it wasnt AS bad. |
| 01:33.10 | Boydell | But then I made me want to hit people on tier1 for not figuring it out and escalating it to me |
| 01:33.16 | Boydell | *it |
| 01:42.23 | noisyzen | Boydell: ha, yeah. I did tier 1, then tier 3, and then trained tier 1. |
| 01:42.45 | lioncat55 | any way i can help with android? |
| 01:43.09 | stinebd | yup |
| 01:43.18 | stinebd | you can get the camera and gps working |
| 01:43.21 | Boydell | noisyzen: well this was for the government. tier 1 wasnt actaully, computer people, they were more like call centre people, who had a list of things to "try". it that didnt work, pass it off |
| 01:44.27 | lioncat55 | okay well let me install android =P |
| 01:44.34 | lioncat55 | erm i mean ubuntu |
| 01:44.58 | Boydell | everyone just love ubuntu |
| 01:45.07 | Boydell | what ever happen to people running arclinux |
| 01:45.09 | noisyzen | Boydell: yeah, that's how tier 1 started where i worked. and i ended up 'catching on'. tier 3 i worked at was somewhere else. |
| 01:45.14 | noisyzen | i'm running arch linux |
| 01:45.25 | Boydell | ha nice |
| 01:45.37 | noisyzen | actually i installed with chakra linux because it had an installer and i'm impatient :) |
| 01:45.39 | Boydell | I should. too lazy though. I like GUI's :) |
| 01:45.56 | noisyzen | Boydell: http://chakra-project.org/ GUI |
| 01:46.00 | noisyzen | gui installer |
| 01:46.12 | noisyzen | you can use yaourt (wrapper around pacman) and install stuff from the AUR |
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| 01:46.58 | Boydell | noisyzen: I know you CAN install a GUI for arch linux |
| 01:47.02 | Boydell | Im just too lazy |
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| 01:48.35 | noisyzen | Boydell: naw, that's a gui installer. installs with kde |
| 01:48.41 | noisyzen | it's a live cd, even |
| 01:48.46 | noisyzen | or dvd |
| 01:48.55 | noisyzen | install, boot, wipe hands on pants |
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| 01:58.47 | Boydell | uh |
| 01:59.00 | Boydell | I need to find a fine tip soldering iron for cheap now |
| 02:02.14 | Boydell | anyone know of a decent one? |
| 02:02.39 | MrPippy | i'm not sure how cheap you can get a good temp-controlled iron |
| 02:03.30 | Boydell | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 02:28.01 | mcdull | hi everyone |
| 02:28.41 | noisyzen | hi |
| 03:05.26 | noisyzen | wow, i just booted 2.1 hero on my topaz. |
| 03:08.42 | MrPippy | 2.1? how does it work? |
| 03:08.45 | mcdull | how is the graphics? |
| 03:09.01 | mcdull | actually most of the sqsh works |
| 03:11.49 | noisyzen | well |
| 03:11.53 | noisyzen | my touchscreen didn't worok |
| 03:11.59 | noisyzen | er work but i'm rebooting and seeing what happens next. |
| 03:13.05 | noisyzen | it's like, the touchscreen recognized some stuff, but not enough to unlock the phone. |
| 03:13.13 | noisyzen | i'm not sure if it uses ts-calibration file. |
| 03:13.28 | noisyzen | and i downloaded the new zImage from glemsom |
| 03:13.38 | MrPippy | yeah you could try the 2.1 system.sqsh with the xdandroid rootfs.img |
| 03:13.47 | noisyzen | that's an outstanding idea. |
| 03:13.49 | noisyzen | i should do that. |
| 03:14.03 | noisyzen | once this is done rebooting, i will boot back in winmo so i can copy it over. |
| 03:16.59 | mcdull | better remove the data.img first. |
| 03:17.46 | noisyzen | i did. |
| 03:17.54 | noisyzen | although it didn't prompt me, so maybe it still read it. |
| 03:17.55 | noisyzen | i renamed it. |
| 03:18.12 | noisyzen | i can't unlock it. the slider is almost reversed |
| 03:19.34 | noisyzen | do you not need a modules file with 2.1?? |
| 03:21.28 | MrPippy | modules file is mostly optional, just needed for wifi and ramzswap might help performance |
| 03:22.50 | noisyzen | any idea on the touchscreen craziness? |
| 03:22.57 | noisyzen | you said use the 2.0.1 rootfs.img? |
| 03:24.09 | noisyzen | yah, let's see how that goes. |
| 03:24.13 | MrPippy | yeah the xdandroid one |
| 03:24.59 | noisyzen | booting with that now. |
| 03:25.02 | noisyzen | and added in the modules file |
| 03:26.35 | noisyzen | it's using /sys/class/input/input1 for calibration. thought it was s'posed to be input2 for some reason. |
| 03:30.53 | adamw | it's different on different phones. |
| 03:31.06 | adamw | it should autodetect which node is the touch screen, though. |
| 03:31.33 | noisyzen | yeah, i think topaz is input2 isn't it? |
| 03:31.41 | stinebd | well time to try and fail miserably at adding an xdandroid product to my aosp tree |
| 03:31.44 | noisyzen | it just rebooted itself with xdandroidrootfs |
| 03:31.55 | noisyzen | so im gonna try to reboot it again |
| 03:34.56 | noisyzen | ts-calibration is the file it should be using, yeah? |
| 03:35.19 | MrPippy | yeah |
| 03:35.29 | MrPippy | only the xdandroid rootfs is going to load that |
| 03:38.48 | noisyzen | okay. thanks. i'll be back tomorrow. lost track of time :) |
| 03:38.53 | noisyzen | 6:30 am comes early |
| 03:39.09 | noisyzen | Thanks guys :) |
| 03:39.12 | noisyzen | let's see what tomorrow brings. |
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| 04:56.46 | bzo | saw that hw3d is working on the vogue for eclair now |
| 04:57.07 | bzo | funny thing is that their fix may have originated with phh's original attempt a month ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5496607&postcount=9 |
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| 05:02.29 | bzo | phh, I played around with it and seems to get further than it did before. Driver seems to fully initialize: http://pastebin.com/m6a887173 |
| 05:02.51 | bzo | however, I only get a black screen. Does not crash android though, you can exit the 3d app |
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| 05:05.19 | Neo31 | Hello, sorry fot this newbe question but please i need to know if it is possible to make android work on htc touch pro ? |
| 05:09.54 | adamw | Neo31: |
| 05:10.00 | adamw | Neo31: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601751 |
| 05:15.09 | Neo31 | i am still new to smart phones world adamw, so that means it works? i don't see htc touch pro on that page |
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| 05:15.18 | Neo31 | anyway i found these links : |
| 05:15.20 | Neo31 | http://fluffyphones.com/how-to-misc/google-android-running-on-htc-touch-pro-and-htc-diamond/ |
| 05:15.27 | Neo31 | http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=file&Itemid=68&id=28:android-for-htc-touch-pro |
| 05:15.38 | Neo31 | so this means it works on touch pro right ? |
| 05:17.18 | ReeferMattness | Google is an amazing tool Neo, use the link that Adam just posted. |
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| 05:18.53 | Neo31 | i am googling about smartphones all the day and i got tired of that, so i said may be i would get good advice here from ppl who have experience with htc and android ReeferMattness |
| 05:19.15 | ReeferMattness | LOL |
| 05:19.17 | lioncat55 | well that took alot longer |
| 05:20.43 | Neo31 | i was looking for ipaq hw69xx serie |
| 05:21.01 | Neo31 | but now i think htc is a better choice for a little more price |
| 05:21.12 | lioncat55 | i love htc |
| 05:21.20 | lioncat55 | i have the touch pro 2 and it is really nice |
| 05:21.56 | Neo31 | i think it's a little bit more expencive than the first one lioncat55 |
| 05:22.11 | Neo31 | i am looking at it right now |
| 05:22.31 | Neo31 | to see what differences there is to the touch pro |
| 05:24.22 | |Jason8| | big screen |
| 05:24.28 | |Jason8| | nice keyboard |
| 05:24.37 | lioncat55 | the keybored rocks |
| 05:24.53 | lioncat55 | best i have ever seen |
| 05:24.54 | Neo31 | i don't really care about how it looks |
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| 05:25.17 | Neo31 | i just need the features and WM and android at the same time for development purposes |
| 05:26.00 | Neo31 | i'll need to develop applications for WM in the near future but i prefer to use android for personal use |
| 05:26.03 | lioncat55 | android on the TP2 works more or less even more so on the gsm verison |
| 05:26.25 | |Jason8| | Neo31: you can pick up a fuze (att touch pro) for cheap |
| 05:27.00 | Neo31 | i got a touch pro for a cheaper price on ebay |
| 05:27.22 | lioncat55 | if you head over to androidonhtc.com |
| 05:27.23 | Neo31 | and i have links for android for touch pro but not for fuze |
| 05:27.36 | Neo31 | anyway they look the same not ? |
| 05:27.54 | ReeferMattness | Same phone, different keyboard |
| 05:28.03 | lioncat55 | fuze is what AT&T named the touch pro |
| 05:28.07 | lioncat55 | i think |
| 05:28.15 | ReeferMattness | Only difference is the keyboard layout and a PTT button |
| 05:28.19 | Neo31 | yes that's what i found googling the web |
| 05:28.36 | Neo31 | that's not really important |
| 05:28.44 | Neo31 | for me i mean |
| 05:28.52 | ReeferMattness | TP2 is a nicer phone, ive owned them both. |
| 05:29.22 | lioncat55 | i have not had the touch pro but have seen it and used it i like the TP2 more |
| 05:30.41 | Neo31 | based on the spesifications page on htc.com i see that TP2 have a bigger screen better battery and sound right ? |
| 05:30.52 | Neo31 | ah and the keyboard thing :p |
| 05:31.08 | ReeferMattness | Yup, and a WAY better keyboard, and the tilt screen |
| 05:31.33 | Neo31 | but is there a big differance in price ? |
| 05:31.51 | lioncat55 | if you can find a good deal not reall |
| 05:32.04 | ReeferMattness | Not too much, but the TP2 is obviously newer so gonna be more. |
| 05:32.28 | Neo31 | ok thanks for advice :) |
| 05:32.48 | Neo31 | if i find a good TP2 for the same price i'll get it |
| 05:33.08 | Neo31 | uh! about ebay |
| 05:33.24 | Neo31 | do you think it's a good place to get a used htc ? |
| 05:33.45 | lioncat55 | there is all ways risks with ebay |
| 05:34.06 | Neo31 | btw i am not from the states but i'll meet a friend of mine in a conference soon so may be he can get it for me |
| 05:34.20 | Neo31 | risks like what ? |
| 05:35.00 | Neo31 | i didn't use it at all so is it ok to use it ? |
| 05:35.48 | lioncat55 | as long as you do make shure the buyer has a good rateing |
| 05:35.50 | Neo31 | when i have a seller with a 100%positive feedback and more than a 100 trx ? |
| 05:36.04 | lioncat55 | that is good |
| 05:36.15 | Neo31 | sure i will lioncat55 but i mean about the device itself |
| 05:36.43 | Neo31 | may be it wont be like it is said in the description or with a bad screen... |
| 05:36.59 | lioncat55 | link me? |
| 05:37.17 | Neo31 | http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-Touch-Pro_W0QQitemZ300393825105QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item45f0de0351 |
| 05:37.22 | Neo31 | look at this one |
| 05:37.52 | lioncat55 | it has ended |
| 05:38.38 | Neo31 | ^^ i am not buyin it today anyway, i didn't told my friend about it yet |
| 05:38.48 | lioncat55 | okay |
| 05:38.54 | Neo31 | i am just asking to make sure if it is ok to get something like that or not |
| 05:38.56 | Neo31 | :) |
| 05:39.05 | lioncat55 | it looks okay |
| 05:39.14 | lioncat55 | any one here with android here? |
| 05:39.14 | Neo31 | thanks so much lioncat55 :) |
| 05:39.20 | lioncat55 | no problem |
| 05:39.34 | Neo31 | thanks ReeferMattness |Jason8| and adamw too :) |
| 05:39.41 | adamw | np. |
| 05:39.44 | |Jason8| | anytime. |
| 05:39.52 | Neo31 | well i'll focus on HTC touch pro or TP2 then :) |
| 05:40.01 | |Jason8| | Neo31: Are you in the US or what? |
| 05:41.07 | lioncat55 | jason do you work with android |
| 05:41.11 | Neo31 | no i am not i have friends in the us |
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| 05:41.43 | |Jason8| | Neo31: alright. Fuze = US 3G frequencies. Touch Pro isn't. |
| 05:42.00 | |Jason8| | Also, make sure it's a GSM touch pro, because the CDMA (Sprint, Verizon, etc) won't work worldwide |
| 05:42.25 | |Jason8| | The one you linked is an Alltel Touch Pro |
| 05:42.36 | |Jason8| | That'll only work on CDMA carriers, which means basically only in the US. |
| 05:43.00 | Neo31 | ok |
| 05:43.16 | Neo31 | and which ones works in europe |
| 05:43.17 | Neo31 | ? |
| 05:43.20 | |Jason8| | CDMA touch pros normally have more rounded corners. |
| 05:43.24 | |Jason8| | The unbranded touch pro |
| 05:43.30 | |Jason8| | MDA Vario V |
| 05:43.31 | |Jason8| | iirc |
| 05:43.32 | lioncat55 | the GSM ones |
| 05:43.34 | |Jason8| | there are a few |
| 05:43.39 | Neo31 | ok |
| 05:43.50 | Neo31 | but they say it's gsm compatible |
| 05:43.55 | lioncat55 | jason8: do you work with android? |
| 05:44.04 | |Jason8| | I'm not a dev |
| 05:44.11 | lioncat55 | bummer |
| 05:44.31 | Neo31 | look at this in the link i just gave you : Cellular Band: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900 |
| 05:44.37 | Neo31 | it's quad band right ? |
| 05:44.59 | |Jason8| | his is a CDMA phone so should work with verizon,alltel.It should also work with anyone who has cdma phones but call and ask before bidding. |
| 05:45.04 | |Jason8| | gotta read the description |
| 05:45.13 | Neo31 | i was in the US last summer and i used my quad band cell phone there it worked fine with t-mobile and at&t |
| 05:45.31 | Neo31 | ok |
| 05:45.31 | |Jason8| | yep |
| 05:45.33 | Neo31 | i see |
| 05:46.06 | Neo31 | the description says it's quand band |
| 05:46.10 | Neo31 | so that' fine i think |
| 05:46.24 | |Jason8| | nope. |
| 05:46.32 | |Jason8| | Don't touch anything like that |
| 05:46.37 | |Jason8| | Super rounded corners = CDMA |
| 05:46.57 | Neo31 | ok |
| 05:47.08 | |Jason8| | http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/touchvsfuze.jpg |
| 05:47.09 | |Jason8| | comparison |
| 05:47.14 | Neo31 | well then how would i know it will work in my country |
| 05:47.19 | Neo31 | ok i'll see the link |
| 05:47.20 | |Jason8| | one on the left will |
| 05:47.23 | |Jason8| | one on the right won't |
| 05:47.26 | |Jason8| | easiest way is the corners |
| 05:48.10 | MrPippy | at&t uses gsm, but different 3g bands, i don't know if a fuze could get 3g outside of the usa |
| 05:48.15 | |Jason8| | It won't. |
| 05:48.26 | |Jason8| | Neo31: Basically, you want a touch pro with a front-facing camera. |
| 05:48.28 | ReeferMattness | Eh, I thought it would |
| 05:48.28 | Neo31 | ok |
| 05:48.31 | |Jason8| | then you're guaranteed. |
| 05:48.53 | Neo31 | how a front facing camera ? |
| 05:49.50 | |Jason8| | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HTC-Touch-Pro-BOXED-2GB-GPS-UNLOCKED-LEATHER-CASE_W0QQitemZ320484178042QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones?hash=item4a9e58787a#ht_756wt_1165 |
| 05:49.52 | |Jason8| | like that |
| 05:49.53 | |Jason8| | that'll work. |
| 05:49.54 | Neo31 | ok see the one that wont work have silver edges and the boutton in the middle is different than the one on the left |
| 05:50.20 | ReeferMattness | HSDPA/UMTS: 850/1900/2100 MHz <=== would that work outside of the US? Thats what the Tilt2 has |
| 05:50.49 | |Jason8| | ReeferMattness: grabbed that off of AT&T's website? |
| 05:50.52 | |Jason8| | because they're wrong. ;v |
| 05:50.57 | ReeferMattness | lol figures... |
| 05:51.04 | |Jason8| | Fuze is listed as quad-band UMTS |
| 05:51.08 | |Jason8| | er, HSDPA |
| 05:51.10 | |Jason8| | either way |
| 05:51.15 | ReeferMattness | grabbed it off HTC website |
| 05:51.20 | |Jason8| | lol |
| 05:51.23 | |Jason8| | it might |
| 05:51.25 | ReeferMattness | http://www.htc.com/us/products/tilt-2-att |
| 05:51.39 | |Jason8| | I know the CDMA Touch Pro2s do Euro 3G |
| 05:51.42 | Neo31 | i only need gsm |
| 05:51.49 | Neo31 | i don't need umts for now |
| 05:52.35 | Neo31 | i exactly need the gsm 900 |
| 05:52.37 | lioncat55 | any one here from androidonhtc.com |
| 05:52.57 | ReeferMattness | Jason did you look at that link in tech specs? |
| 05:53.00 | |Jason8| | Neo31: If you're not worried about UMTS/HSDPA/3G, you can get a fuze |
| 05:53.02 | |Jason8| | ReeferMattness: yeah. |
| 05:53.02 | |Jason8| | odd. |
| 05:53.18 | |Jason8| | pretty sure AT&T phones don't have euro 3G |
| 05:53.19 | |Jason8| | shrugs |
| 05:53.29 | Neo31 | ok that's good |
| 05:53.34 | ReeferMattness | Well it makes sense, TP2 > TP ;) I thought ATT was all about having the universal 3G |
| 05:53.36 | Neo31 | so it was just about the umts right ? |
| 05:53.40 | ReeferMattness | lol |
| 05:53.45 | |Jason8| | ReeferMattness: ATT has it's own bands |
| 05:53.48 | ReeferMattness | I dunno, never taken my phone out of the US :) |
| 05:53.50 | |Jason8| | well, north america has it's own bands |
| 05:53.51 | |Jason8| | lol |
| 05:53.55 | |Jason8| | Neo31: yeah |
| 05:54.25 | Neo31 | ok that's great |
| 05:54.29 | Neo31 | well then i can get one |
| 05:54.44 | lioncat55 | the cdma TP2 is the World verison and it will work out of the usa at lest it should |
| 05:55.05 | Neo31 | and i'll change the phone the day i'll need umts |
| 05:55.22 | Neo31 | but it wont be these two years for sure |
| 05:58.26 | lioncat55 | any one here from androidonhtc.com? |
| 05:59.42 | lioncat55 | well off to bed |
| 06:01.44 | Neo31 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#Frequency_bands_deployment |
| 06:02.05 | Neo31 | i need a TP compatible with W-CDMA 2100 |
| 06:02.06 | Neo31 | :) |
| 06:02.43 | MrPippy | that shouldn't be hard, the big european carriers use it |
| 06:03.25 | Neo31 | :) |
| 06:06.01 | |Jason8| | Neo31: so a standard, unlocked touch pro. :) |
| 06:06.09 | |Jason8| | or a standard, unlocked HTC phone |
| 06:06.10 | |Jason8| | basically |
| 06:14.39 | Neo31 | the only ones i can afford seams to be the fuze ones, i wont use the umts anyway and it seams to be better than other htc phones so may be the TP is the one i need even if it wont be umts compatible in my country |
| 06:18.25 | MrPippy | make sure you get an unlocked one (or know some way to unlock it) |
| 06:18.52 | Neo31 | lool |
| 06:19.00 | Neo31 | dont worry about that :p |
| 06:19.07 | Neo31 | i'll get an unlocked one |
| 06:19.21 | Neo31 | but in case it is locked i am sure l'll handle it |
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| 06:20.20 | Neo31 | thanks for telling about the lock thing MrPippy :) |
| 06:20.52 | MrPippy | sure, at&t locks their phones and don't give out unlock codes easily |
| 06:25.10 | bzo | MrPippy: was the codeaurora idle.S patch you mentioned an FYI or something you think is needed? |
| 06:25.34 | MrPippy | just fyi |
| 06:26.14 | MrPippy | there's tons of patches in mainline and codeaurora for arm errata |
| 06:27.07 | bzo | I did apply it earlier for the heck of it. No ill effects :) |
| 06:32.28 | bzo | was also comparing your config you posted earlier. Noticed you don't have power collapse suspend enabled. Is there an issue with it? |
| 06:36.01 | MrPippy | nah, just saw that all of htc's standard configs don't use it, wanted to try what they had |
| 06:36.56 | makkonen | bzo: finally got my partitions working. I can see zero speed increase. but it should make it easier to tweak the system, so that's nice. |
| 06:38.22 | bzo | kinda interesting, you would think full suspend would save more power, but maybe htc is not seeing much difference |
| 06:38.38 | makkonen | I have an urge to tear into the vogue-android guys' initrd... looks like a really nice setup they've got over there. |
| 06:38.46 | bzo | makkonen: yeah, I wasn't seeing a lot of difference on the diamond internal storage vs what I saw in the vogue |
| 06:39.02 | MrPippy | rootfs or initrd? |
| 06:39.22 | makkonen | they've eliminated rootfs. moved some stuff into initrd, the rest into their system builds. |
| 06:39.27 | bzo | and I think with the extra buffering we have with the extra memory would mask more of the filesystem performance differences |
| 06:39.57 | makkonen | and they've got a menu-based install system that runs off the initrd and allows you to apply patches against the system. seems pretty classy. |
| 06:40.06 | bzo | yeah, I was looking at that too. The issue is I don't know if we have access to the hardware buttons like the vogue kernel does during init |
| 06:40.40 | makkonen | oh, right, they do all the button mapping at a weirdly low level, don't they? |
| 06:40.58 | MrPippy | wow thats cool, takes more work to change those squashfs images though |
| 06:41.18 | bzo | MrPippy: do you think increasing the mmc clock speeds will make any difference in storage/sd performance? |
| 06:42.10 | MrPippy | yeah i think so, 32 MHz is slow compared to 50 that HTC kernels run at |
| 06:43.12 | bzo | I did some performance tests the other day. On vogue I timed 6mb read and write speeds with a class 6 card, while on the diamond internal storage 10mb read 2 mb write |
| 06:43.24 | mcdull | but the sdcard in my blackstone is generally quite hot when assessing. |
| 06:43.53 | mcdull | in nand, it should get less heat and consume less power. |
| 06:44.04 | MrPippy | interesting, i don't know what the specs are on diam internal storage |
| 06:44.19 | Neo31 | have to go, thanks again for help :) |
| 06:45.08 | mcdull | anyone has a blackstone and know how to debug the wakeup issue? |
| 06:45.10 | bzo | the write speed seems quite poor. I suppose it comes down to the flash controller they're using |
| 06:45.22 | MrPippy | SD can be real cpu intensive though, the difference in speeds could just be MHz and our better sd driver |
| 06:45.45 | mcdull | 2MB /s isn't very poor indeed.. for such a mobile OS. |
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| 06:53.10 | luke-jr | MrPippy: doesn't that depend on the SD controller? :x |
| 06:55.05 | MrPippy | sd controller doesn't do that much, the cpu still has to issue commands to it |
| 06:55.26 | MrPippy | booting a full os off SD like we are makes a lot of cmd interrupts and the sys cpu usage is pretty high as a result |
| 06:58.16 | bzo | yeah, in the case of the vogue, the cpu/driver is clearly the bottleneck. I could get more than 10mb read speeds off that card I tested on a desktop |
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| 07:40.02 | luke-jr | whatever happened to DMA? :/ |
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| 08:02.50 | adamw | wow, rhodium battery life really does suck |
| 08:03.02 | adamw | mine's died some time in the last six hours of doing nothing but sit in my pocket, hehe |
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| 08:05.43 | playdo | morning guys |
| 08:08.04 | adamw | hey |
| 08:08.14 | playdo | hey adamw |
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| 08:09.19 | playdo | hey teufel |
| 08:09.22 | gehzumteufel | sup |
| 08:09.46 | gehzumteufel | Hows the progress |
| 08:09.49 | playdo | playing with my netbook *happy* |
| 08:09.52 | gehzumteufel | heh |
| 08:09.55 | playdo | ^^ |
| 08:09.59 | gehzumteufel | hates netbooks still |
| 08:10.18 | playdo | installung ubuntu atm |
| 08:10.31 | playdo | so i can do some things with android at work |
| 08:10.52 | playdo | netbooks are cool, was chatting in the bathtub yesterday ^^ |
| 08:10.53 | gehzumteufel | hehe |
| 08:11.11 | gehzumteufel | Which one you end up getting? That Acer one? |
| 08:11.34 | playdo | no, i was hitting for a cheaper one, the asus eee pc |
| 08:11.40 | playdo | just 250€ |
| 08:11.41 | gehzumteufel | Ah nice |
| 08:11.49 | playdo | with carbon look |
| 08:12.03 | playdo | runs really smooth, but dont eypect too much ;9 |
| 08:12.08 | gehzumteufel | Yeah |
| 08:12.11 | gehzumteufel | Can't |
| 08:12.17 | playdo | finished installing ubuntu |
| 08:12.40 | playdo | lets hope for the best |
| 08:13.23 | adamw | why not eeebuntu or whatever they call that thing these days? |
| 08:13.37 | gehzumteufel | Ubuntu Netbook Remix? |
| 08:13.44 | adamw | no, that's separate. |
| 08:13.45 | playdo | got that, is ubuntu netbook remix |
| 08:13.55 | playdo | what? didn't saw that |
| 08:14.19 | gehzumteufel | eeebuntu is the Asus modded Ubuntu I assume? |
| 08:14.37 | playdo | that? http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ |
| 08:14.41 | adamw | no, it's just a tweaked ubuntu for netbooks. which isn't netbook remix. |
| 08:14.43 | adamw | yeah, that's it |
| 08:15.32 | playdo | better than netbook remix or what? |
| 08:16.17 | gehzumteufel | I HATED that interface |
| 08:16.22 | gehzumteufel | Sucks balls imho |
| 08:16.53 | playdo | which one? |
| 08:16.53 | adamw | i dunno, never used either. I run fedora, obviously :P |
| 08:16.57 | adamw | well, and mandriva,. |
| 08:17.32 | playdo | did some work with ubuntu server, so it was my first choice for my netbook |
| 08:17.37 | gehzumteufel | The EEEbuntu one |
| 08:17.47 | gehzumteufel | That you linked to |
| 08:18.09 | adamw | i think that is actually the unr *interface*, but easypeasy and unr are not the same project. anyway. |
| 08:18.12 | playdo | netbook remix got a look-alike interface imho |
| 08:18.37 | playdo | wayne is calling |
| 08:18.51 | playdo | just need linux |
| 08:19.34 | playdo | hmm how can i do internet charing with my htc and linux? |
| 08:19.39 | playdo | any help pls for tethering? |
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| 08:20.21 | adamw | playdo: i was doing that this morning but got distracted |
| 08:20.37 | adamw | playdo: i think http://lindesk.com/2007/04/internet-connection-sharing-using-iptables/ should basically work, though you'll need to load a few modules (iptables modules aren't loaded by default) |
| 08:20.53 | playdo | bah too much work |
| 08:20.54 | gehzumteufel | Are you on WM or Android? |
| 08:20.57 | adamw | and you have to boot android with the usb cable connected or the usb networking stuff doesn't get initialized |
| 08:21.05 | adamw | oh, if you just mean with WM, it's really easy |
| 08:21.12 | playdo | going for connection over wifi router |
| 08:21.12 | gehzumteufel | Yep |
| 08:21.19 | gehzumteufel | that is what I was going to suggest |
| 08:21.23 | playdo | xD |
| 08:21.33 | adamw | just plug in the phone and select 'internet connection sharing' from the menu, and networkmanager should just automatically handle it |
| 08:21.33 | playdo | no easy way over usb with wino? |
| 08:21.37 | adamw | if ubuntu hasn't stuffed the code up, that is |
| 08:21.54 | adamw | i know it works in the original networkmanager code cos I tested it :P |
| 08:21.56 | playdo | hmm it didnt display the menu for internet sharing |
| 08:22.18 | playdo | lets have a try manually |
| 08:22.18 | adamw | i think i used to have that; it turned out to be a ROM registry issue |
| 08:22.23 | adamw | trying to remember exactly what |
| 08:22.36 | adamw | like the ROM had it specifically set up for some US provider or something silly like that |
| 08:22.39 | playdo | which rom? |
| 08:22.44 | adamw | erf, don't remember, I flash too many |
| 08:22.57 | adamw | if you're on a stock provider rom, they often disable the connection sharing |
| 08:23.11 | gehzumteufel | T-Mobile doesn't! |
| 08:23.59 | playdo | got duttys |
| 08:24.11 | adamw | never used that |
| 08:24.20 | playdo | well seems to work if i choose internet sharing manually |
| 08:24.38 | adamw | eh, well, just some weirdness i guess :) |
| 08:24.47 | adamw | wifi sharing works fine too but the thing with that is it drains battery like a mofo |
| 08:24.52 | adamw | so i tend to use usb quite a lot |
| 08:25.11 | adamw | wifi sharing uses so much power that the battery still goes down even if you're plugged into the mains, heh |
| 08:25.12 | gehzumteufel | Yeah it does. I just plug the phone in while I use it |
| 08:25.18 | gehzumteufel | Not mine |
| 08:25.24 | gehzumteufel | Sounds like your mains blows dick |
| 08:25.30 | adamw | well, it did that on my old diamond |
| 08:25.47 | adamw | eh? nothing to do with the mains circuit, it can provide waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more power than any phone could handle, any mains circuit would |
| 08:26.01 | adamw | phones have a maximum current they can handle, the charger won't feed 'em more than that |
| 08:26.04 | mcdull | anyone can help debugging the blackstone non-wakeup issue? |
| 08:26.21 | mcdull | I now have an dead blackstone in front of me. |
| 08:26.26 | ReeferMattness | I know you guys read the logs: I Found a pretty serious bug today, well my GF did on her Fuze, and then i confirmed it with a couple different TP2 users. So its not even just 1 device specific. If you try to call 911 on these builds of android as soon as you press send it locks up the phone and never dials out, have to soft reset. |
| 08:26.30 | gehzumteufel | A phone should never pull more power than the mains can provide from a wall outlet. Ever. |
| 08:26.49 | playdo | mcdull: i cant reproduce ur bug |
| 08:27.02 | mcdull | adb connected.. all keys no responses.. |
| 08:27.09 | mcdull | what can I do to test it? |
| 08:27.14 | adamw | gehzumteufel: well, uh, yeah. that's what i'm saying. |
| 08:27.15 | playdo | connected to linux machine? |
| 08:27.20 | mcdull | and phone keeps warm as well. |
| 08:27.30 | adamw | gehzumteufel: the max power my diamond would pull frm the mains is less than enough for it to do wifi sharing. |
| 08:27.34 | mcdull | I didn't have adb on my linux (over vmware) but windows is fine. |
| 08:27.41 | mcdull | can access the terminal |
| 08:28.24 | gehzumteufel | adamw, And I am saying that should NEVER happen. I have used my phone as a wifi router many times. I leave it plugged into the wall because it drains the battery. It charges when I have it plugged in. |
| 08:28.41 | playdo | where the heck is gparted? Oo |
| 08:28.46 | mcdull | playdo, seems most blackstone user got this problem.... |
| 08:28.47 | gehzumteufel | You have to install it |
| 08:28.52 | gehzumteufel | sudo apt-get install gparted |
| 08:29.01 | playdo | *______* |
| 08:29.14 | playdo | if i start ubuntu from a stick, its there |
| 08:29.18 | playdo | and fully installed not |
| 08:29.27 | playdo | thinks ubuis stupid |
| 08:29.33 | playdo | unbuntu |
| 08:29.35 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 08:29.44 | playdo | is a dislexiy |
| 08:29.49 | playdo | wtf |
| 08:29.50 | gehzumteufel | I prefer Kubuntu |
| 08:30.00 | adamw | gehzumteufel: *shrug* i was sharing a connection with about seven people at once, it was plugged in with 10% battery remaining, after half an hour it died. |
| 08:30.26 | gehzumteufel | Ah well 7 people probably did put it above what it was made to operate at |
| 08:30.27 | playdo | mcdull |
| 08:30.33 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): java.io.IOException: Broken pipe |
| 08:30.33 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at android.net.LocalSocketImpl.writeba_native(Native Method) |
| 08:30.34 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at android.net.LocalSocketImpl.access$600(LocalSocketImpl.java:29) |
| 08:30.34 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at android.net.LocalSocketImpl$SocketOutputStream.write(LocalSocketImpl.java:126) |
| 08:30.34 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at android.net.LocalSocketImpl$SocketOutputStream.write(LocalSocketImpl.java:113) |
| 08:30.34 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at com.android.server.MountListener.writeCommand2(MountListener.java:176) |
| 08:30.36 | playdo | mcdull i will try to reproduce this bug |
| 08:30.36 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at com.android.server.MountListener.mountMedia(MountListener.java:309) |
| 08:30.38 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at com.android.server.MountListener.listenToSocket(MountListener.java:205) |
| 08:30.40 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at com.android.server.MountListener.run(MountListener.java:274) |
| 08:30.42 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:1096) |
| 08:30.44 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): Failed to connect to vold |
| 08:30.48 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): java.lang.IllegalStateException |
| 08:30.50 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at com.android.server.MountListener.listenToSocket(MountListener.java:254) |
| 08:30.52 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at com.android.server.MountListener.run(MountListener.java:274) |
| 08:30.54 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:1096) |
| 08:30.55 | gehzumteufel | eek |
| 08:30.56 | mcdull | DumpStateReceiver( 1215): Added state dump to 3 crashes |
| 08:30.58 | mcdull | vold ( 1192): Dropping duplicate framework connection |
| 08:30.59 | gehzumteufel | can you stop flooding? |
| 08:31.00 | mcdull | MountListener( 1215): IOException in writeCommand |
| 08:31.02 | mcdull | got this error from log cat repeat....... |
| 08:31.14 | mcdull | ok.. sorry. |
| 08:31.20 | gehzumteufel | mcdull, If you ever need to paste that much again, use pastebin. |
| 08:31.44 | mcdull | gehzumteufel, thx.. I will try to see what it is. |
| 08:32.05 | gehzumteufel | mcdull, it is just a small repository you can paste text. It spits out a link to that text. You post the link |
| 08:32.14 | playdo | is synaptic package manager good? |
| 08:32.19 | gehzumteufel | You can have it up for 1 day, 30 days, or forever. |
| 08:32.31 | gehzumteufel | playdo, I use the command line |
| 08:32.41 | playdo | me too, thats why i ask |
| 08:32.54 | playdo | normally apt-get |
| 08:33.06 | gehzumteufel | I have used it, but only when a package is masked and I can't figure out how to unmask via command line |
| 08:33.30 | playdo | doesnt have much experience with gui linux systems |
| 08:33.48 | gehzumteufel | dude |
| 08:33.58 | gehzumteufel | I got a second monitor at work, and fucking nVidia |
| 08:34.00 | playdo | w00t 370kb/s with my phone :) |
| 08:34.18 | gehzumteufel | Those fuckers don't make their settings applet run with sudo |
| 08:34.39 | adamw | gehzumteufel: then...run it from the command line? |
| 08:34.42 | gehzumteufel | They just have it run at the priviledges you have. Which fucks it up when you are trying to enable multimonitor support with xinerama |
| 08:34.57 | gehzumteufel | I ended up using the alt+f2 run box in KDE |
| 08:35.00 | gehzumteufel | It worked |
| 08:35.02 | *** join/#htc-linux kvaster (~kvaster@live.bn.by) |
| 08:35.14 | adamw | well, yeah, that would too. meh. i just don't use the proprietary driver, don't need that headache. |
| 08:35.18 | gehzumteufel | But I only figured it out because I am not a n00b. Some n00b wouldnt be able to figure that out |
| 08:35.35 | gehzumteufel | The proprietary driver is the only way to go at this point |
| 08:35.38 | playdo | is b00n |
| 08:35.52 | adamw | gehzumteufel: that really rather depends |
| 08:35.54 | gehzumteufel | The open source driver blows and has no ogl |
| 08:36.02 | gehzumteufel | Well for newer cards, it is the case |
| 08:36.08 | adamw | actually, it does. it's hilariously experimental, but it does. |
| 08:36.13 | adamw | still, i don't need opengl for anything. |
| 08:36.19 | gehzumteufel | lol that doesn't work for a work machine |
| 08:36.24 | adamw | what work do you do? |
| 08:36.32 | ReeferMattness | you need opengl for gallery 2.1 :p |
| 08:36.33 | gehzumteufel | "email marketing" |
| 08:36.40 | adamw | ...how does that need opengl? |
| 08:36.40 | gehzumteufel | ;) |
| 08:36.47 | gehzumteufel | KDE4 uses it |
| 08:36.50 | adamw | doesn't need it |
| 08:36.53 | adamw | runs fine without it |
| 08:36.57 | adamw | you miss a few whizzy effects. big whoop. |
| 08:37.04 | gehzumteufel | I know |
| 08:37.05 | adamw | not that I run KDE 4, but i know it does. |
| 08:37.13 | gehzumteufel | I don't even have all the effects turned on |
| 08:37.16 | gehzumteufel | That is the funny thing |
| 08:37.21 | gehzumteufel | I just left it default |
| 08:37.23 | gehzumteufel | So whatever that is |
| 08:37.42 | adamw | it should just enable whatever the current driver can support |
| 08:37.57 | adamw | if it tries to use hardware acceleration with the free driver then that's just a bug. probably ubuntu fucked up again. |
| 08:38.07 | adamw | they tend to fuck KDE up quite a lot, i've heard. heh. |
| 08:38.17 | gehzumteufel | ugh I HATE their meta package thing |
| 08:38.20 | gehzumteufel | Fuck that bullshit |
| 08:38.33 | gehzumteufel | I try to remove cups and it wants to remove the system basically |
| 08:39.20 | gehzumteufel | I tried to get a Gentoo build running. I failed at that. I couldn't get X configured and running properly |
| 08:39.27 | playdo | what irc client should i use with linux? |
| 08:39.28 | adamw | just cups, or libcups? |
| 08:39.32 | gehzumteufel | cups |
| 08:39.38 | adamw | playdo: xchat-gnome , or kvirc. |
| 08:39.49 | gehzumteufel | quassel is nice |
| 08:39.59 | adamw | gehzumteufel: huh. they should have it split. it's normally that removing libcups would kill most of the system, because anything that wants printing support has to build against it. |
| 08:40.00 | gehzumteufel | but that requires QT |
| 08:40.12 | gehzumteufel | Yeah I know |
| 08:40.14 | gehzumteufel | Fucking whack |
| 08:40.18 | adamw | but the non-lib bits should be removable. |
| 08:40.22 | gehzumteufel | I agree |
| 08:40.34 | playdo | gehzumteufel: hmm i tried to use quassel under windows but it sucked a bit |
| 08:40.36 | gehzumteufel | I found out after the fact that they have a meta package you have to remove first |
| 08:40.41 | adamw | 'yum remove cups' = 12 packages, 'yum remove cups-libs' = 464, heh |
| 08:40.46 | playdo | adamw: thanks, will try that |
| 08:40.52 | gehzumteufel | playdo, I only used it under *nix |
| 08:41.04 | adamw | haven't heard of quassel, lemme look it up |
| 08:41.18 | gehzumteufel | adamw, Yeah I only wanted to remove cups, and it wanted to remove everything |
| 08:41.36 | playdo | is there a difference gehzumteufel? just was able to connect to a channel one time, and the next times it fuckes up somehow |
| 08:41.42 | playdo | get some -i mode |
| 08:41.47 | adamw | gehzumteufel: meh, well, everything has idiosyncracies i guess. don't wanna rag on ubuntu too much, heh |
| 08:41.59 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 08:42.07 | gehzumteufel | -i mode? |
| 08:42.13 | playdo | dunno |
| 08:42.31 | gehzumteufel | adamw, Yeah I still love their packaging |
| 08:42.33 | playdo | server says "playdo +i" and one line later "playdo -i" |
| 08:42.38 | adamw | gehzumteufel: debian's packaging? :P |
| 08:42.59 | adamw | aw, that was just spinal reflex, ignore me. |
| 08:43.02 | gehzumteufel | adamw, I meant the way that they package the whole system. Not the debian base with package management :p |
| 08:43.17 | adamw | but yeah, i like nouveau. hell of a lot less of a giant pain in the ass than nvidia. |
| 08:43.30 | adamw | if you need 3D or video acceleration, sure, but if you don't... |
| 08:43.33 | gehzumteufel | Debian and Gentoo are probably THE best at package management imho |
| 08:43.52 | adamw | debian, yeah. gentoo, meh. gentoo's very variable |
| 08:44.04 | gehzumteufel | But the package management is stellar |
| 08:44.07 | adamw | they have some people who really know what the hell they're doing and some who are apparently crack-addled monkeys |
| 08:44.13 | gehzumteufel | LOL |
| 08:44.18 | gehzumteufel | You could say every geeky distro does |
| 08:44.20 | adamw | you mean the packaging, or the package management tools? |
| 08:44.21 | gehzumteufel | Slackware included |
| 08:44.34 | gehzumteufel | adamw, emerge is package management |
| 08:44.41 | playdo | argh |
| 08:44.50 | playdo | updating with phone internet -.- |
| 08:44.55 | gehzumteufel | eek that sucks balls |
| 08:44.59 | adamw | gehzumteufel: yeah, I know. well...it isn't, really. but skip it |
| 08:45.08 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 08:45.26 | playdo | what speed do i get with normal internet? now got about 300kb/s |
| 08:45.35 | adamw | kilobit or kilobyte? |
| 08:45.52 | gehzumteufel | KB or Kb |
| 08:45.56 | adamw | i get about 11Mb (~1.5MB) with cable, 4Mb (~0.5MB) with phone |
| 08:46.14 | adamw | my phone connection's still 8x faster than my first ever 'broadband' internet line, heh |
| 08:46.16 | mcdull | that is pretty good speed. |
| 08:46.45 | adamw | yeah, it's nice. |
| 08:46.49 | playdo | 0.5MB |
| 08:46.55 | playdo | ehhh |
| 08:46.58 | playdo | 0.3MB |
| 08:47.11 | mcdull | what I just started playing with my dead blackstone... my phone ring......... |
| 08:47.11 | adamw | that's not bad really. |
| 08:47.21 | mcdull | and I cant stop it... damn.. I am in office. |
| 08:47.25 | playdo | nah, but sucks either way |
| 08:47.48 | playdo | mcdull: THROW IT OUT OF THE WINDOW |
| 08:47.49 | adamw | mcdull: pull the battery |
| 08:47.50 | playdo | NOW |
| 08:47.53 | adamw | =) |
| 08:48.00 | playdo | meh adamw, lame idea |
| 08:48.05 | playdo | :D |
| 08:48.06 | adamw | yeah, yours is much better |
| 08:48.08 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 08:48.09 | mcdull | adamw, yeah... but it still rings with usb connected.. so I have to pull both. |
| 08:48.11 | gehzumteufel | I want a blackstone |
| 08:48.13 | adamw | actually, hit it, set it on fire, THEN throw it out of the window |
| 08:48.22 | mcdull | And the default ringtone is super ugly. |
| 08:48.29 | playdo | thats bold thinking adamw |
| 08:48.35 | adamw | can't ever be too safe |
| 08:48.37 | gehzumteufel | mcdull, Are you using WinMo or did it get flashed with Android? |
| 08:48.52 | playdo | mcdull had the same problem a few days ago. installed a game and turned off system sounds |
| 08:48.55 | mcdull | gehzumteufel, winmo and haret .. |
| 08:49.01 | gehzumteufel | Ah okay thought so |
| 08:49.04 | playdo | but then the multimedia sound went on xDDD |
| 08:49.08 | gehzumteufel | haha |
| 08:49.23 | gehzumteufel | I would be elated to have sound on the Rhod210 with Android |
| 08:49.31 | gehzumteufel | But that is fucked atm |
| 08:49.40 | playdo | walll walla walla! boopita boopita! |
| 08:49.46 | playdo | victory dance |
| 08:50.00 | playdo | ^^ |
| 08:50.10 | playdo | nah, dont use sound very often. just fpr mp3 use |
| 08:50.11 | gehzumteufel | lolol |
| 08:50.17 | gehzumteufel | I use it...for ringtones |
| 08:50.22 | gehzumteufel | I need to hear my phone ring |
| 08:50.25 | adamw | gehzumteufel: reefermattness is getting phh a rhodium |
| 08:50.34 | adamw | gehzumteufel: so hopefully we'll have some developer movement soon :) |
| 08:51.10 | adamw | though the sound should be the same as topaz and markinus has been working on that for months and still can't get it... |
| 08:51.26 | gehzumteufel | serious?! |
| 08:51.29 | gehzumteufel | Awesome |
| 08:51.31 | adamw | yup |
| 08:51.43 | adamw | well reefer can get one cheap on insurance |
| 08:51.49 | adamw | and phh already had enough donation money to cover the cost |
| 08:51.53 | adamw | so it all works out, yay |
| 08:52.02 | gehzumteufel | As for the same sound...well they thought it had the same wifi/bt chip, but it doesn't |
| 08:52.05 | gehzumteufel | nice |
| 08:52.08 | playdo | mh most of the time, i'm at locations where i have to put my phone to vibrate |
| 08:52.10 | mcdull | hope phh got a blackstone as well.. |
| 08:52.18 | adamw | i'm pretty sure the sound's the same. |
| 08:52.24 | playdo | and when i'm not, then i forget turning it on |
| 08:52.28 | gehzumteufel | blackstone has sound it seems |
| 08:52.28 | adamw | i'd want the sound just so i can play music |
| 08:52.32 | adamw | don't really need it for ringtones |
| 08:52.38 | playdo | me2 |
| 08:52.40 | gehzumteufel | I always have my ringer on |
| 08:52.47 | gehzumteufel | Unless I am at like the bank or something |
| 08:52.56 | mcdull | gehzumteufel, Yes, but I can stand with no sound.. but I cant stand with system freeze in no time. |
| 08:53.12 | gehzumteufel | mcdull, In Android? |
| 08:53.19 | mcdull | when you have no sound, you missed a call, but you still see a miss call. |
| 08:53.19 | mcdull | yes |
| 08:53.37 | gehzumteufel | mcdull, well you kind of have to expect it. It is still quite unfinished |
| 08:53.44 | mcdull | with system freeze.. you don't even know you have a call.. and ..... drains all battery. |
| 08:54.02 | mcdull | gehzumteufel, sure.. but seems it is most serious in blackstone. |
| 08:54.02 | playdo | poor mcdully |
| 08:54.20 | gehzumteufel | My Rhodium freezes too at times |
| 08:54.23 | playdo | dont know why i doesnt have this bug atm |
| 08:54.25 | gehzumteufel | Especially if I dial 911 |
| 08:54.38 | mcdull | gehzumteufel, dare not to try it. |
| 08:54.43 | gehzumteufel | haha already did |
| 08:54.52 | mcdull | why not try 112? |
| 08:55.06 | mcdull | oh.. not in GSM network? |
| 08:55.13 | gehzumteufel | I am on GSM |
| 08:55.19 | gehzumteufel | But I am in the US |
| 08:55.19 | adamw | gehzumteufel: btw the latest energyrom for rhodium is pretty damn sweet, heh |
| 08:55.26 | gehzumteufel | 112 is not an emergency number |
| 08:55.36 | ReeferMattness | know what drives me crazy, its not having no sound that drives me crazy (which i love txt notifications, i txt non stop) Its not GPS, and my turn by turn directions, its not even the backlight being turned off.... i CANNOT stand having to take my stupid fucking stylus out every time I want to go to landscape view...... auuuuughhhhhhh!!!!!! hahaha |
| 08:55.37 | gehzumteufel | adamw, Yeah but Ark's rom is not so buggy |
| 08:55.38 | playdo | where are the preferences for power management in linux? |
| 08:55.42 | mcdull | 112 is the global emergency number under GSM as I remembered. |
| 08:55.53 | adamw | ReeferMattness: haha |
| 08:56.05 | ReeferMattness | gehz, did you try the newest one?? Its getting pretty close to Arks with all the new packages. |
| 08:56.12 | adamw | ReeferMattness: well they might be able to do something about that tomorrow |
| 08:56.17 | gehzumteufel | mcdull, 112 is not an emergency number in the US. At all. /end |
| 08:56.24 | adamw | ReeferMattness: i got some traces that phh asked for for the keyboard open / close |
| 08:56.31 | ReeferMattness | yeah?? sweeet |
| 08:56.34 | adamw | so hopefully that's enough to do something with it |
| 08:56.35 | adamw | yeah |
| 08:56.39 | adamw | mmutrace stuff, way over my head, heh |
| 08:56.46 | ReeferMattness | lol |
| 08:56.54 | adamw | but the important thing is it's definite info in response to the right event |
| 08:56.56 | gehzumteufel | ReeferMattness, I haven't |
| 08:57.10 | adamw | in my experience getting that much is more or less 90% of the battle if the person reading the info knows what the hell they're doing :P |
| 08:57.14 | mcdull | In 1991, the European Union[citation needed] established 112 as the universal emergency number for all its member states. All EU countries have already implemented 112 and the number can be dialled free of charge from any telephone or any mobile phone. The GSM mobile phone standard designates 112 as an emergency number, so it will work on GSM phones even in North America where GSM system redirects emergency calls to 911 or Australia whe |
| 08:57.15 | mcdull | re emergency calls are redirected to 000. /end |
| 08:57.40 | gehzumteufel | mcdull, where do you live? |
| 08:57.42 | adamw | hey, it's on wikipedia, there's a 50/50 chance it's true! |
| 08:57.43 | playdo | whoa, got some spores growing in my glass from yesterday |
| 08:57.46 | playdo | interesting |
| 08:57.54 | mcdull | hong kong.. |
| 08:57.57 | ReeferMattness | Ive got a friend with a TP2 that complains about EVERY ROM that i put on his phone. He said he liked this new NRG rom the best. lol |
| 08:58.49 | ReeferMattness | definitely helps not to just be staring at a screen full of code that means absolutely nothing to you. :) |
| 08:59.26 | mcdull | In hong kong "112" in GSM would be diverted to "999" |
| 08:59.33 | ReeferMattness | hmmm, i dialed 112 on my WinMo and it labeled it "Emergency Dial" |
| 08:59.36 | gehzumteufel | There ya go. You can't, in any way, shape or form, say that it works without a doubt if you aren't here |
| 09:00.08 | gehzumteufel | ReeferMattness, Yeah same, but that is a standard assumption in the software. |
| 09:00.20 | ReeferMattness | yeah i did not let it dial out, nor am i going to let it |
| 09:00.21 | ReeferMattness | hahaha |
| 09:00.37 | gehzumteufel | Yeah me either |
| 09:00.55 | gehzumteufel | Most GSM mobile phones have 112, 999 and 911 as pre-programmed emergency numbers that are always available.[1] The SIM card issued by the operator can contain additional country-specific emergency numbers that can be used even when roaming abroad. The GSM network can also update the list of well-known emergency numbers when the phone registers to it. |
| 09:01.20 | gehzumteufel | Right on Wikipedia. mcdull, the word CAN is not a definite in any way |
| 09:01.32 | gehzumteufel | It just means the ability is there, not that it is implemented |
| 09:01.34 | playdo | my old siemens s65 phone got a list with all country emergency numbers |
| 09:01.50 | gehzumteufel | playdo, I downloaded this app called "emergency call" from the WinMo marketplace |
| 09:02.09 | gehzumteufel | Has all the numbers for most countries for police, fire, and emergency |
| 09:02.09 | playdo | ah theres one for winmo? :) |
| 09:02.20 | playdo | yep sort of that was on this old phone |
| 09:02.21 | gehzumteufel | Yep |
| 09:02.37 | playdo | and by old, i mean old ^^ dont know if siemens phones mean something to u |
| 09:02.46 | playdo | are they available in the us? |
| 09:03.16 | adamw | probably not any *more* :) |
| 09:03.25 | playdo | it had an ultra modern 65000 color screen and incredible 1.3megapix camera |
| 09:03.33 | gehzumteufel | They don't sell them here much |
| 09:03.39 | gehzumteufel | I haven't seen one in a while |
| 09:03.53 | playdo | they arent very popular any more i think |
| 09:04.16 | playdo | is still updating his linux -.- |
| 09:04.41 | gehzumteufel | Yeah no doubt |
| 09:04.50 | gehzumteufel | They make some great backend equipment though |
| 09:05.01 | playdo | yup |
| 09:05.50 | playdo | hmm how do i get 2 finger scrolling to work |
| 09:06.51 | playdo | shall i update grub? or isnt that a good idea? |
| 09:07.08 | mcdull | ok.. I am not going to travel to US in anyway. |
| 09:07.22 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 09:07.23 | gehzumteufel | Why? |
| 09:07.30 | gehzumteufel | What's wrong with it as a tourist? |
| 09:07.42 | gehzumteufel | Because some dick on the internet? |
| 09:07.44 | mcdull | I always prefer European countries. |
| 09:08.32 | playdo | like germany w00t |
| 09:08.36 | mcdull | There are a lot more to see and experience in Europe. I am not saying US is no good, but with limited time, US wouldn't be my choice. |
| 09:08.47 | gehzumteufel | Understandable |
| 09:08.58 | mcdull | Germany is a good place.. I enjoyed a short period there. |
| 09:09.33 | mcdull | Swiss is the best for me.. I don't like BIG cities. |
| 09:09.41 | gehzumteufel | lol |
| 09:09.49 | gehzumteufel | Yet you live in Hong Kong |
| 09:10.55 | mcdull | All BIG cities are almost the same in nature.. |
| 09:11.14 | gehzumteufel | I would tend to disagree. The dynamics of every big city are different |
| 09:11.37 | gehzumteufel | You have common aspects, but each city has a different character |
| 09:11.41 | mcdull | yes.. need time to study the history and sort of... |
| 09:11.50 | gehzumteufel | Not even the history |
| 09:11.55 | gehzumteufel | Just the way that people interact |
| 09:12.22 | gehzumteufel | The way things happen within each city. Yes there are common things, but there are so many differences in each one |
| 09:12.40 | mcdull | In the capital you can't see the real ppl of that country. |
| 09:12.40 | gehzumteufel | The ebbe and flow of each is unmatched elsewhere |
| 09:13.02 | mcdull | If you just visit Paris you will certainly hate the ppl there. |
| 09:13.19 | gehzumteufel | How are they not the real people of the country? |
| 09:14.02 | gehzumteufel | They aren't rednecks/hicks/bogans/whateveryoucallthecountryfolk, yes, but they are the "real people" as you call them |
| 09:14.04 | mcdull | ppl in big cities are generally more self-protective.. more business type and look very similar across countries. |
| 09:14.06 | playdo | mcdull youre totally right. hated the ppl in paris too but after all they dont represent a country |
| 09:14.44 | gehzumteufel | I have friends that are from France that hate people in Paris, so that isn't saying much |
| 09:14.45 | mcdull | Berlin is not very well either.. haa.. |
| 09:14.51 | playdo | true |
| 09:15.10 | gehzumteufel | I guess I see it different |
| 09:15.20 | gehzumteufel | You have the city folk, and then you have everyone else |
| 09:15.33 | playdo | but i dont like berlin so much. its too big and doesnt look very nice |
| 09:15.39 | playdo | but its worth a trip or two |
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| 09:15.55 | gehzumteufel | To each their own I guess. I absolutely love the big cities |
| 09:15.58 | mcdull | In fact I like berlin more than paris. |
| 09:16.15 | gehzumteufel | Well I would love to continue this discussion, but I really have to get to bed |
| 09:16.25 | mcdull | gehzumteufel, Good night. |
| 09:16.25 | gehzumteufel | So good night/afternoon/morning to you all |
| 09:16.36 | playdo | gnight :) |
| 09:16.46 | playdo | mcdull where are u now? |
| 09:16.53 | mcdull | Hong Kong.. working in office. |
| 09:16.56 | playdo | or what time is it? |
| 09:16.58 | mcdull | multi tasking.. |
| 09:17.03 | mcdull | 5:16pm |
| 09:17.15 | playdo | im working too ^^ with netbook and workstation |
| 09:17.31 | playdo | are you chinese? |
| 09:17.38 | mcdull | I bought my laptop (macbook) back . |
| 09:17.42 | mcdull | Sure. |
| 09:18.01 | mcdull | and I always had the ubuntu in a usb flash for android purpose. |
| 09:18.20 | playdo | i set up xp/ubuntu dual boot this morning |
| 09:18.29 | playdo | works nice so far |
| 09:18.44 | mcdull | dual boot is too trouble for me.. Vmware is my choice. |
| 09:18.50 | playdo | heard about a restriction with wifi in china. whats the matter with that? |
| 09:18.53 | mcdull | it works well under windows. |
| 09:18.56 | playdo | why is it trouble? |
| 09:19.00 | mcdull | well.. I am not in China. |
| 09:19.14 | mcdull | Hong Kong has its own legal system. |
| 09:19.27 | mcdull | coz I need windows application some times. |
| 09:19.58 | mcdull | and the ubuntu is solely for Android... |
| 09:20.25 | mcdull | therefore, no security concern in vmware. |
| 09:20.48 | playdo | hmm but i see no problem with dual boot for this purpose. but i use a vm too at my home laptop |
| 09:21.49 | mcdull | vmware not working with physical drive under MacOS... that's real bad |
| 09:22.23 | mcdull | But thanks for the macbook, I have 2 fingers scrolling easily. |
| 09:24.12 | mcdull | still have no clues on the sleeping problem of blackstone. I once would like to try using partition instead of image file.. but I just have no time to rewritten the rootfs |
| 09:25.03 | mcdull | Anyway, I noted that glossy theme thread stating its rootfs supports partition, will check it out soon. |
| 09:25.05 | playdo | what rom do u have on ur blackstone? |
| 09:25.23 | mcdull | Topix |
| 09:25.25 | mcdull | 3.5 |
| 09:25.29 | mcdull | wm6.1 |
| 09:25.30 | playdo | and u just got this shutdown prob with usb plugged in? |
| 09:25.39 | mcdull | no.. any time.. randomly. |
| 09:25.50 | mcdull | but if not, it stays very cool. |
| 09:26.08 | playdo | weird |
| 09:26.31 | mcdull | But I always sync with my email / calendar / contact .. in background .. could it be the cause? |
| 09:26.33 | playdo | thought that problem has been handled for blackstone a few releases ago |
| 09:26.46 | playdo | dont think so, i do it too |
| 09:26.48 | playdo | syncing |
| 09:27.26 | mcdull | its so weird that the phone was still working, just all buttons and screen refused to work. |
| 09:27.41 | mcdull | and I have very limited experience on the linux console. |
| 09:27.56 | mcdull | not to mention the logcat. |
| 09:28.28 | adamw | alright, bedtime |
| 09:28.40 | adamw | back in 7 hours or so |
| 09:28.53 | playdo | goodnight adamw |
| 09:28.56 | mcdull | maybe there is an application that used up all cpu cycles the interface refused to interact.. |
| 09:29.08 | mcdull | but I have no ideas on how to check and kill the process. |
| 09:29.26 | mcdull | coz the phone becomes really warm when dead. |
| 09:29.36 | playdo | dunno, i got that too sometimes that nothing reacts cause of cpu usage |
| 09:29.36 | adamw | 'top' is a process monitor, not sure if it's present in xdandroid |
| 09:29.42 | adamw | 'ps' will show all running processes |
| 09:30.32 | mcdull | oh.. it works.. thanks.. but my phone is not dead now, I have restarted it. |
| 09:30.51 | ReeferMattness | cya adam |
| 09:30.54 | adamw | nn |
| 09:31.03 | playdo | yeah try it, if its dead. maybe u see a cpu eating process |
| 09:32.55 | mcdull | yeah.. will try it out.. hope we can sort it out. if this problem being solved, the android on blackstone is usable. |
| 09:33.52 | playdo | dont u got some touchscreen issues? |
| 09:33.55 | playdo | like me |
| 09:34.08 | mcdull | I am quite happy with the touchscreen. |
| 09:34.24 | mcdull | sometimes I need to use a bit stronger force. |
| 09:34.33 | playdo | i got some jumping when i type on the onscreen keyboard |
| 09:34.39 | playdo | dont u encounter that too? |
| 09:34.44 | mcdull | 2-3% |
| 09:35.02 | playdo | mines sometimes about 30% |
| 09:35.07 | playdo | gotta try again |
| 09:35.12 | mcdull | but mostly with fingers. using stylus is a lot more accurate. |
| 09:35.27 | mcdull | basically <1% jump with stylus |
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| 09:35.45 | playdo | thats true, but i want a stylus free system :) |
| 09:36.38 | mcdull | that's why I guess it is related to the screen driver which was originally designed for capacitive screen. |
| 09:38.46 | mcdull | playdo, which winmo rom you use? |
| 09:39.55 | playdo | mcdull: yep, someone had this thought too with the capacitive ts driver and multi touch. |
| 09:40.05 | playdo | atm i use duttys leo holy grail rom |
| 09:40.12 | playdo | with winmo 6.5 and sense 2.5 |
| 09:41.41 | mcdull | dutty rom is not very stable for me. Anyway.. all custom rom has activesync issue. |
| 09:42.14 | playdo | active sync issue? |
| 09:42.27 | playdo | why isnt it stable? i dont got any problems with it so far |
| 09:42.53 | mcdull | yes.. when start activesync client, screen goes crazy. and the activesync process would eat all cpus.. |
| 09:43.18 | mcdull | I uses activesync to sync my google gmail / calendar / contact. |
| 09:44.20 | playdo | hmm didnt encounter that :( |
| 09:44.38 | playdo | syncing with outlook my contacts/calende |
| 09:44.42 | playdo | calendar |
| 09:44.43 | mcdull | I'd try the uspl / hspl and different radio. |
| 09:44.54 | mcdull | can you tell me you settings and I can try it out? |
| 09:45.11 | playdo | which settings exactly? |
| 09:45.11 | mcdull | I would revert to stock rom first and do it steps by steps. |
| 09:45.25 | mcdull | spl / radio / and dutty rom version. |
| 09:45.35 | playdo | ok just a moment |
| 09:46.37 | playdo | can i look up spl under winmo? |
| 09:47.02 | mcdull | umm.. I usual look it in boot screen |
| 09:47.33 | playdo | alright, then u have to wait a bit ^^ downloading something over my phone to my netbook |
| 09:47.39 | playdo | so far, this is the rom: http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1175&highlight=wallpaper |
| 09:47.41 | mcdull | let me boot and check. |
| 09:47.47 | playdo | k |
| 09:48.10 | playdo | gotta keep ur radio i think. changing it doesnt do any good :D |
| 09:48.24 | mcdull | coz I already changed it. |
| 09:48.36 | mcdull | so it may be the cause. |
| 09:48.51 | mcdull | do you use sd card update or ruu via usb? |
| 09:48.54 | playdo | hmm could be, dont know the circumstances |
| 09:49.01 | playdo | used the card last time |
| 09:49.24 | playdo | you know howto? |
| 09:49.37 | mcdull | yes.. I uses card all the time. |
| 09:49.42 | playdo | kk |
| 09:49.43 | mcdull | my windows sucks.. |
| 09:49.50 | playdo | :D |
| 09:50.11 | playdo | i use duttys roms since my htc hermes times. so i stuck to it |
| 09:50.19 | playdo | never tried something else with blackstone |
| 09:50.47 | mcdull | I can never satisfy with winmo.. from wm2003 /se /wm5 /wm6/ 6.1 and 6.5 |
| 09:50.53 | mcdull | all crap. |
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| 09:52.16 | mcdull | playdo, got to go.. may be I can check out the detail with you later.. or see if I can connect with irc using android. |
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| 09:52.37 | playdo | ok np. i only stuck to winmo cause of the possibilities |
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| 09:53.05 | playdo | i stay on for at least 4 hours |
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| 10:00.49 | mcdull | using irc rado.. quite nice |
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| 10:04.38 | playdo | re |
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| 10:10.12 | mcdull | unstable..... |
| 10:11.14 | playdo | spl/radio? |
| 10:11.29 | playdo | did u hardspl? |
| 10:11.34 | mcdull | yup |
| 10:11.55 | playdo | unstable in what sense? |
| 10:12.42 | mcdull | my android irc |
| 10:13.28 | mcdull | i am using irc linux |
| 10:13.33 | playdo | ah, i thought duttys rom is unstable |
| 10:14.15 | mcdull | i am on bus now... haa.. |
| 10:14.27 | playdo | :D |
| 10:14.42 | playdo | i switched to my netbook, works well under linux |
| 10:14.42 | mcdull | a bottle of red wine is waiting for me. |
| 10:14.48 | playdo | do u use andchat? |
| 10:14.59 | playdo | argh u lucky one |
| 10:15.09 | playdo | dont drinks wine |
| 10:15.39 | mcdull | oh really.. |
| 10:16.08 | mcdull | you missed alot of good stuff. |
| 10:16.08 | playdo | bah |
| 10:17.09 | playdo | i dont drink beer/wine/champagner |
| 10:17.19 | mcdull | why? |
| 10:17.52 | playdo | dont like the taste, thats all |
| 10:18.25 | mcdull | i see.. |
| 10:18.51 | playdo | gotta work tomorrow? |
| 10:19.12 | mcdull | no.. i am the luky one. |
| 10:19.18 | mcdull | lucky |
| 10:20.15 | playdo | ^^ |
| 10:20.38 | playdo | hmm i think its lunchtime :) |
| 10:20.55 | mcdull | ok.. cu. |
| 10:21.24 | playdo|lunch | cya l8r |
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| 11:24.48 | diterium | hi |
| 11:29.16 | diterium | I just got a herm300 (mda vario II) device and I'm thinking about playing around with linux on it, do you need testers? is there anything I can do for supporting this project? :) |
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| 11:38.43 | dcordes | diterium, hi. yes there is. hermes lacks some drivers |
| 11:39.16 | dcordes | diterium, the hermes documentation is still on http://wiki.xda-developers.com |
| 11:44.34 | diterium | sorry, driver writing is beyond my capabilities, I thought of testing/debugging, but first of all I have to get linux on this device, didn't work with these htc mobile devices yet |
| 11:45.03 | diterium | was playing around with linux on the default win-ce t-home mediareceiver or linux on the gamecube and stuff like this |
| 11:48.23 | dcordes | ~hermes |
| 11:48.24 | apt | An optimized pixel format conversion library with other tricks. URL: http://hermes.terminal.at/ |
| 11:48.37 | dcordes | lol |
| 11:48.46 | diterium | right now I'm reading the http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=273579 thread, do have any suggestions for the beginning? |
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| 11:54.44 | dcordes | diterium, not except for this http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HermesResearch |
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| 14:27.34 | phh | [23:34:43] <adamw> chamonix: android definitely detects the stylus somehow <---- yes and no, it's just that stylus gpio is setted as keyboard in/out |
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| 14:28.42 | phh | [23:40:34] <Boydell> create partions, mount ext2 partion, copy /system/* to ext2 partition, mv system.sqsh to /sdcard/backupsystem/installedsystem/sqsh, chmod 777 dbus.conf <--- uh ? why is anything needed for dbus ? |
| 14:30.03 | phh | [23:45:22] <adamw> Markinus: i think we were onto keyboard by then <------ yes keyboard is what I asked |
| 14:32.32 | phh | (there is a nice thing with coming back home soon, you're not talking while I'm answering.) |
| 14:34.24 | phh | [00:27:07] <IceBone> Bah, gone already. <----- I read logs, you can still ask something even if i'm no longer here. |
| 14:37.39 | phh | [02:34:55] <Boydell> but i would say, its ALMOST flashable, just need better power managment, and mic to work without calling <--- have you ever started the kernel from SPL to know that ? If it's not flashable yet it's "just" because we rely on some wince's init. |
| 14:40.31 | phh | [04:42:22] <stinebd> well time to try and fail miserably at adding an xdandroid product to my aosp tree <------ it would be awesome if you succeed |
| 14:41.19 | phh | [06:13:33] <bzo> however, I only get a black screen. Does not crash android though, you can exit the 3d app <------ I know. that's exactly what I get. |
| 14:41.47 | phh | [06:07:49] <bzo> funny thing is that their fix may have originated with phh's original attempt a month ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5496607&postcount=9 <------ -_-' why does it work for them then :'( |
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| 15:04.17 | phh | dzo: that's so unfair that 3D works for you and not us :'( |
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| 15:30.27 | phh | ReeferMattness: little gift will be pushed in a few seconds :p |
| 15:33.02 | noisyzen | happy friday |
| 15:35.21 | phh | no rhod tester awake I guess ? |
| 15:36.37 | noisyzen | just a topaz :) |
| 15:36.47 | phh | you're maybe not the only one alive :p |
| 15:36.50 | noisyzen | (at&t's htc pure) |
| 15:37.04 | noisyzen | not the only one alive, but the only one looking at this in this exact moment in time :P |
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| 15:39.07 | phh | noisyzen: you know how to play with haret ? |
| 15:39.14 | phh | haretconsole |
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| 15:45.41 | noisyzen | phh: define play with haret. I know how to modify m y default.txt |
| 15:45.58 | phh | I'll wait for adamw I guess. |
| 15:45.59 | noisyzen | phh: that's about it. (and I'm working right now so not 100% here) |
| 15:46.34 | noisyzen | phh: I'd definitely like to learn. So, I will try and find a good link to read up on it this weekend. Then I can be more useful. |
| 15:46.45 | phh | just google haret documentation for that |
| 15:46.53 | noisyzen | perfect. |
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| 16:01.16 | adamw | phh: hey, i'm here now, but have a meeting to run for an hour or os |
| 16:01.18 | adamw | so |
| 16:01.45 | phh | ok |
| 16:01.54 | phh | Markinus: did you try tracing leds ? |
| 16:03.08 | Markinus | hi |
| 16:03.11 | Markinus | phh: No |
| 16:03.47 | phh | Markinus: can you just make mmiotrace of i2c ? |
| 16:04.22 | Markinus | phh: I had in the last days no much time, but now i have all examina behind me . . .. only the Masterthesis . .. |
| 16:04.29 | Markinus | phh: yes, prom what? |
| 16:04.31 | Markinus | from |
| 16:05.05 | phh | mmutrace 0xb2300000 0x10 when plugging AC adapter would be fine |
| 16:05.15 | Markinus | ok |
| 16:06.56 | Markinus | phh: is usb ok or only AC ? |
| 16:07.08 | phh | Markinus: just something that will change leds :p |
| 16:07.16 | Markinus | ok :) |
| 16:08.24 | adamw | phh: so what is it you need me to test? |
| 16:08.39 | phh | adamw: latest glemsom's kernel |
| 16:08.48 | phh | I think clamshell detection should work |
| 16:08.48 | adamw | phh: you think it might nail the keyboard thing? alright |
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| 16:18.33 | noisyzen | adamw: is most of the testing you do with the haret console? |
| 16:19.13 | adamw | noisyzen: not really, most of it's in linux/android. but i use haretconsole when someone asks me to, for tracing stuff. |
| 16:20.19 | adamw | phh: you're a genius |
| 16:20.21 | adamw | phh: it works |
| 16:20.38 | adamw | phh: it came up in landscape instead of portrait so the first keyboard eject did nothing, but then it 'synced' and now it seems reliable |
| 16:20.57 | phh | not really this time :/ |
| 16:21.20 | phh | it was already implemented but only for kovsky |
| 16:21.32 | adamw | yeah I saw the commit |
| 16:21.39 | adamw | what's 'kovsky' anyway? dunno that codename |
| 16:22.20 | phh | xperia X1 |
| 16:22.24 | adamw | ahh |
| 16:22.29 | phh | don't remember the manufacturer |
| 16:22.33 | phh | sony ericson or samsung |
| 16:22.36 | adamw | still has the bug where it doesn't switch back to portrait if you're in an app when you close keyboard |
| 16:22.38 | adamw | sony ericsson |
| 16:22.52 | adamw | but that's nothing to do with the trigger, it happened with the stylus triggering it too |
| 16:23.02 | noisyzen | adamw: nice. |
| 16:23.16 | adamw | i think that's just an android bug, i guess, have to poke babijoee :) |
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| 16:23.38 | Markinus | phh: http://pastebin.com/m1cdc7e79 |
| 16:23.56 | Markinus | phh :ac pluged in |
| 16:24.17 | adamw | phh: matt will be happy with that :) hehe |
| 16:25.41 | phh | Markinus: function not documented anywhere :( |
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| 16:26.02 | Markinus | phh: ohhh |
| 16:26.53 | phh | Markinus: hum you have backlight change on ac plugin ? |
| 16:27.36 | Markinus | phh: yes |
| 16:27.49 | phh | oh it might be easy actually. |
| 16:27.53 | Markinus | phh: on bith sides, plug in and out |
| 16:27.55 | Markinus | both |
| 16:27.57 | phh | Markinus: which color is that ? |
| 16:28.11 | phh | I mean after you plugged ac which color had the led |
| 16:28.25 | Markinus | yellow, becouse acco isn't full |
| 16:28.27 | Markinus | accu |
| 16:28.44 | phh | green + blue = yellow ? |
| 16:29.13 | Markinus | phh: maybe better to say orange |
| 16:29.16 | adamw | phh: get anywhere with the power management stuff, btw? my phone managed to die after being idle in my pocket for five hours last night, so yeah, it obviously ain't working well :) let me know if you need more data. |
| 16:29.30 | phh | adamw: not yet |
| 16:29.35 | adamw | ok |
| 16:29.54 | phh | hum yellow is red+green |
| 16:31.41 | Markinus | phh: yes, is led is red if tthe akku is maybe empty and green if full |
| 16:31.46 | Markinus | blue isn't there |
| 16:32.06 | Markinus | phh: orange in the middle |
| 16:32.07 | phh | the led is never blue ? |
| 16:32.09 | Markinus | no |
| 16:32.17 | phh | which colors can it take ? |
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| 16:32.34 | Markinus | I think this three, Red, Orange, Green |
| 16:33.05 | Markinus | phh: we have a second one . . |
| 16:33.12 | phh | there are two leds ? |
| 16:33.16 | Markinus | yeas |
| 16:33.51 | phh | ok, first play with this one. |
| 16:33.56 | Markinus | I meen the second was blue with BT, but with my WinMO ROM it seems not to work . . |
| 16:34.01 | adamw | looks like there's two on rhodium too. one left of the speaker, one right. |
| 16:34.12 | Markinus | yes,like Topaz |
| 16:34.35 | Markinus | adamw: if you do BT on is the Right one Blue? |
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| 16:34.57 | adamw | Markinus: have to reboot to windows to check :) in a sec |
| 16:35.48 | noisyzen | my topaz looks to only have 1 led. now i'm looking all over the phone for a 2nd. |
| 16:36.17 | Markinus | left and right from the telephon speaker? |
| 16:36.40 | noisyzen | not that i can see. |
| 16:36.43 | noisyzen | i see the one on the left... |
| 16:37.16 | Markinus | noisyzen: maybe the Pure is a bit different |
| 16:37.28 | noisyzen | Markinus: potentially. It's TOPA210 |
| 16:37.28 | phh | Markinus: I pushed a new debugfs file |
| 16:37.30 | Markinus | is the LED Blue if you turn BT on? |
| 16:37.39 | phh | try to write something to it |
| 16:37.54 | noisyzen | htc warhawk ST6356 | TOPA210 |
| 16:37.55 | phh | should be something like red byte then orange byte then green byte |
| 16:38.23 | Markinus | phh: ok, I look on it |
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| 16:38.31 | lioncat55 | any one here from androidonhtc.com |
| 16:38.47 | phh | (write the full int in the file, not 3 ints) |
| 16:40.26 | adamw | Markinus: hmm, no, the right hand led does nothing if i turn bt on in windows |
| 16:40.35 | adamw | i don't remember it ever doing anything.... |
| 16:40.57 | adamw | did you have to pair it or anything to make it light up? |
| 16:42.18 | Markinus | adamw: I cannot remember! :) |
| 16:42.49 | adamw | hehe |
| 16:45.09 | phh | bah we will make it work too :p |
| 16:49.03 | adamw | does that bear have, like, pedo- and non-pedo- moments? |
| 16:50.38 | Markinus | phh: I could build this in the htc_battery . . . or is there a other place where the LED are refreshed? |
| 16:51.47 | Markinus | phh: we have the capacity there and the status ( cable in or not ) . .<10% red >95 Red, middle yellow |
| 16:51.59 | Markinus | >95 Green |
| 16:53.23 | lioncat55 | any one here working on android? |
| 16:53.50 | phh | Markinus: I want it in userland, anyway before that, make leds working. |
| 16:57.14 | lioncat55 | hey markinus |
| 16:57.45 | phh | Markinus: first try writing 255 to the color_led file |
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| 16:58.12 | lioncat55 | hey phh you think you could help me a little bit |
| 16:58.16 | Markinus | lioncat55: hi |
| 16:58.19 | phh | lioncat55: to do what ? |
| 16:58.20 | adamw | anyone here have a touch pro / fuze, btw? |
| 16:58.45 | phh | adamw: babijoee, captnoord, cr2 |
| 16:58.50 | adamw | i mean here now :) |
| 16:58.56 | phh | ah. |
| 16:58.58 | lioncat55 | i would like to help you guys with android but i am kinda new and dont know where to start with android its self |
| 16:59.01 | adamw | just wondering if they have the same problem with landscape -> portrait switch |
| 16:59.02 | lioncat55 | nope i have a TP2 |
| 16:59.16 | phh | adamw: I think they don't, but not sure. |
| 16:59.20 | adamw | that'd be odd. |
| 16:59.23 | adamw | oh well. |
| 16:59.34 | phh | I've never heard of this issue at least |
| 16:59.55 | adamw | i'll look through the xdandroid thread |
| 17:00.25 | adamw | what happens is that when you trigger a landscape -> portrait switch (whether with stylus or now with keyboard insert), it doesn't trigger until you hit the home screen |
| 17:00.38 | Boydell | i have a touch pro |
| 17:00.46 | Boydell | not sure if its a fuze |
| 17:00.49 | adamw | it doesn't "lose" the event - you don't have to be on the home screen when you close the keyboard to for it to work - but it'll stay in landscape until you go to home screen |
| 17:00.54 | lioncat55 | any way i can help you guys..or at lest how would i open up the zImage |
| 17:01.03 | adamw | Boydell: doesn't matter. does closing the keyboard reliably switch back to portrait for you? even if you're in an app? |
| 17:01.31 | Boydell | it didnt |
| 17:01.33 | Boydell | no |
| 17:01.43 | Boydell | The gsensor fudges things up |
| 17:01.47 | Boydell | had to turn it off |
| 17:02.45 | phh | adamw: you can try the led stuff too |
| 17:02.52 | Boydell | settings->display->uncheck orientation |
| 17:02.55 | Boydell | I think |
| 17:03.06 | adamw | phh: will do in a bit, still in my meeting |
| 17:03.10 | phh | ok |
| 17:03.15 | adamw | Boydell: but with gsensor turned off it does? |
| 17:03.27 | Boydell | erm. With it off, it corrects it |
| 17:03.40 | adamw | Boydell: on rhodium it behaves as i described above - portrait to landscape switch always works, but landscape to portrait only happens when you go to the home screen |
| 17:03.50 | Boydell | yup |
| 17:03.52 | Boydell | same thing |
| 17:03.54 | adamw | ok |
| 17:03.56 | Boydell | till I turned that off |
| 17:03.57 | Boydell | :) |
| 17:03.59 | adamw | ohh |
| 17:04.00 | Boydell | pissed me right off |
| 17:04.00 | adamw | i see |
| 17:04.06 | Boydell | find it? |
| 17:04.09 | adamw | i'll try it |
| 17:04.13 | adamw | still in winmo atm :) |
| 17:04.30 | Boydell | Ok |
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| 17:05.26 | Boydell | Settings->Sound and Display->(near the bottom under Display settings) Uncheck Orientation |
| 17:05.43 | adamw | yeah i've seen the preference |
| 17:05.46 | adamw | just never unchecked it |
| 17:05.52 | Boydell | yah |
| 17:06.16 | Boydell | Its for phones that dont have a keyboard that slides out |
| 17:06.20 | adamw | yeah |
| 17:06.29 | adamw | does the gsensor still work in, say, games after doing that/ |
| 17:06.30 | adamw | ? |
| 17:06.36 | phh | adamw: yes |
| 17:06.38 | adamw | (not that it works at all on rhodium yet, but just curious) |
| 17:06.44 | Boydell | yah |
| 17:06.48 | adamw | kk |
| 17:06.56 | adamw | we should disable it by default for keyboard devices then... |
| 17:07.08 | adamw | ooh, something i can probably do :) have to look into twiddling android settings |
| 17:07.10 | Boydell | this is just for it to change for landscape to portrait using the gsensor |
| 17:07.31 | phh | adamw: have fun. |
| 17:07.37 | Boydell | shit forgot to make call first.. |
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| 17:07.57 | adamw | phh: it started in landscape mode again, btw. no big deal, just thought i'd mention it. |
| 17:08.04 | Boydell | phh: whats the status of that? Do we know what the other phones did to get this initialize properly? |
| 17:08.19 | phh | Boydell: don't know |
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| 17:08.39 | Boydell | Ok. |
| 17:08.43 | Markinus | phh: echo 255 > /dbgfs/micropklt_dbg/color_led or 0 do nothing |
| 17:08.49 | Markinus | the LED is yellow |
| 17:09.03 | adamw | Boydell: confirmed, you nailed it - thanks |
| 17:10.19 | Boydell | adamw: np. your phone is the one that you dont have to make a call first for mic to work right? |
| 17:10.28 | adamw | Boydell: yeah indeed |
| 17:10.32 | Boydell | hm |
| 17:10.33 | adamw | i don't know what was done to make that work though |
| 17:10.37 | adamw | or if it even needed anything specific |
| 17:10.48 | Boydell | did Markinus do that? |
| 17:11.06 | phh | Markinus: something else wtih 65280 ? |
| 17:11.26 | Markinus | phh: no |
| 17:11.54 | phh | :/ |
| 17:12.22 | Markinus | phh: the led is on, maybe is some other thing changed it very fast back |
| 17:12.43 | Boydell | Markinus: was it you who got the mic working for your phones? |
| 17:13.14 | Markinus | Boydell: which device do you have? |
| 17:13.19 | Boydell | raph800 |
| 17:13.33 | noisyzen | Mine doesn't need to make a call first either (for mic to work) |
| 17:13.56 | Boydell | noisyzen: yah its a different series of phones. |
| 17:14.07 | noisyzen | Boydell: yup |
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| 17:14.09 | Boydell | diam/raph have to, and its annoying as hell |
| 17:14.18 | Boydell | cuz I always forget |
| 17:14.19 | noisyzen | sounds annoying. |
| 17:14.20 | phh | Boydell: cdma* |
| 17:14.21 | noisyzen | yeah |
| 17:14.23 | noisyzen | i can see that. |
| 17:14.24 | phh | for gsm it's fine :p |
| 17:14.36 | Boydell | phh: really? |
| 17:14.41 | phh | yes |
| 17:14.46 | Boydell | So its ONLY cdma raph/diam? |
| 17:14.50 | phh | yes |
| 17:14.59 | Boydell | oh WHAT THE HELL |
| 17:15.07 | adamw | meh, two weeks ago you couldn't make calls on cdma raph/diam at all could you? be happy :P |
| 17:15.07 | Boydell | what is so different about the bloody mic |
| 17:15.16 | Boydell | yes we could? |
| 17:15.23 | Markinus | Boydell: maybe other sound parameters. . . |
| 17:15.42 | Boydell | we've been able to since, oh, end of dec? |
| 17:15.47 | Markinus | Raphael has PHONE_EARCUPLE_VOL2 Topaz PHONE_EARCUPLE_VOL2 |
| 17:15.59 | Markinus | Topaz PHONE_EARCUPLE_VOL0 |
| 17:16.15 | Boydell | phh: how long has your mic been working? |
| 17:16.35 | phh | Boydell: in-call mic ? since the first time I used linux on this phone :p |
| 17:16.44 | Boydell | aw man. |
| 17:16.53 | phh | :p |
| 17:17.03 | Boydell | So you have no idea's then eh |
| 17:17.04 | Boydell | ? |
| 17:17.18 | phh | no |
| 17:17.39 | adamw | Boydell: maybe longer than I thought...cos I had a cdma diamond up till recently and I remember for a long time calls didn't work in android at all |
| 17:18.23 | Boydell | adamw: yah. |
| 17:18.31 | Boydell | Markinus: so what did you do to get mic working? |
| 17:18.59 | phh | Boydell: for cdma it's mrpippy who got it working I think |
| 17:19.19 | Boydell | mrpippy has is working? |
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| 17:21.06 | Markinus | Boydell: We make a sound update with dex. But this is in for all devices now. The second was the soundparameters ( what I wrote bevor) |
| 17:21.17 | ReeferMattness | adam, landscape/portrait works on my fuze |
| 17:21.43 | bzo | phh: re: dbus on ext2 partition - for some reason the permission is wrong when copied over. Unless perm if fixed, android goes into endless loop during splash screen |
| 17:21.54 | ReeferMattness | morning guys |
| 17:22.00 | phh | ReeferMattness: :p |
| 17:22.05 | phh | bzo: how do you copy ? |
| 17:22.09 | Boydell | yah the EARCUPLE thing |
| 17:22.27 | Markinus | The biggest Problem was, that the phone was crashing after 10 sek call. The mic didn't work. But this is a sound problem ( ringing ) We have to disable sound, isn't working on Topaz) But we cann do calls . . |
| 17:22.33 | adamw | ReeferMattness: it works fine on your rhodium now :P |
| 17:22.44 | adamw | ReeferMattness: grab the latest kernel and disable 'orientation' in the display settings |
| 17:22.55 | bzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.08 | phh | bzo: ok, cp isn't meant to preserve anything, use tar |
| 17:23.25 | adamw | cp has a parameter to preserve attributes |
| 17:23.27 | adamw | I think it's -A |
| 17:23.36 | Boydell | Markinus: So maybe on the CDMA version of raph, it isnt VOL2? |
| 17:23.44 | Markinus | maybe . . |
| 17:23.51 | adamw | -a , or --preserve=all |
| 17:23.57 | Boydell | how did you fgure out your was VOL0? |
| 17:24.06 | ReeferMattness | oh my god are you serious, who fixed it? lol I need to hug them |
| 17:24.09 | Markinus | you can dump this on winmo and check |
| 17:24.12 | phh | ReeferMattness: me :p |
| 17:24.17 | Markinus | mith Haret |
| 17:24.17 | Boydell | ok |
| 17:24.24 | Boydell | yah, haretconsole |
| 17:24.28 | ReeferMattness | HAHA, Thank you phh. :) |
| 17:24.38 | ReeferMattness | Im guessing those logs Adam gave you helped? |
| 17:24.42 | phh | yup |
| 17:24.47 | bzo | phh: re: hw3d, the vogue guys didn't get it working until they moved to 2.1, so maybe there is something fixed there? |
| 17:24.58 | ReeferMattness | ahhhh, great job on the teamwork there |
| 17:24.58 | phh | bzo: ah. |
| 17:26.08 | bzo | I'll have to track down a 2.1 biuld to try. Don't think the vogue one will work with ours anymore because of their rootfs/init changes |
| 17:26.46 | phh | bzo: should work |
| 17:26.58 | phh | bzo: any url ? I'm used to try vogue's systems |
| 17:27.29 | bzo | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625052 |
| 17:27.55 | bzo | they got rid of the rootfs.img and moved it into init and the sqsh |
| 17:28.13 | phh | argh |
| 17:28.21 | phh | I'll just copy GL libs then |
| 17:29.14 | bzo | they did add a cool menu during init though :) We would need access to hardware keys during init to use it |
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| 17:29.56 | phh | that's not a problem |
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| 17:31.46 | phh | adamw: haha, it might be the vsync actually -_-' |
| 17:32.16 | dcordes | hello |
| 17:32.22 | adamw | phh: oh heh |
| 17:32.34 | adamw | phh: that's certainly kicking in often enough to match the logs |
| 17:32.55 | phh | adamw: hum no, vsync won't wake up the cpu from deep sleep |
| 17:35.33 | phh | argh |
| 17:35.35 | phh | collapsed=0 |
| 17:38.07 | adamw | ? |
| 17:38.28 | adamw | oh heh. fun! i can't mount system.sqsh... |
| 17:38.31 | phh | means the CPU hasn't actually slept at all |
| 17:38.32 | adamw | SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, older Squashfs 3.1 filesystems are unsupported |
| 17:38.38 | adamw | god damn you, bleeding edge distributions |
| 17:38.41 | phh | hehe |
| 17:38.47 | phh | my distribution is old enough :p |
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| 17:39.35 | Captnoord | ConfigData::DebugMethod0xA8081500 |
| 17:39.35 | Captnoord | ConfigData::KitlFixedIP0xA8081504 |
| 17:39.35 | Captnoord | ConfigData::KitlFixedNetMask0xA8081508 |
| 17:39.36 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 17:39.43 | Captnoord | hunting these things is crap |
| 17:41.11 | phh | ? |
| 17:41.12 | noisyzen | re: 2.1 - I was playing around with this earlier; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613826 |
| 17:41.55 | Captnoord | there are to many of them to be sure |
| 17:42.16 | Captnoord | and if you want to know the ones that aren't easy to read you need to do some real reverse enginering |
| 17:42.22 | Captnoord | and i'm not in the mood for that |
| 17:42.34 | Captnoord | need to break a leg or something before I will be |
| 17:43.45 | phh | adamw: I lost your backlight on/off traces :/ |
| 17:44.31 | adamw | er, did we do backlight on/off? |
| 17:44.38 | adamw | i don't recall it |
| 17:44.56 | adamw | i sent you power saving and keyboard stuff, no backlight that i recall |
| 17:45.08 | adamw | so, you want haretconsole traces for powering on and off the screen in winmo? |
| 17:45.38 | phh | yes |
| 17:45.47 | phh | oh right it's mastermerlin who posted it |
| 17:46.02 | phh | so I have the link and it's not expired |
| 17:46.17 | phh | you can go back to your conference :p |
| 17:46.34 | ReeferMattness | LOL |
| 17:47.28 | ReeferMattness | good job on the phone open/closed orientation. Im not even kidding, I would have traded that fix for the double ram fix, LOL Thanks adam/phh |
| 17:48.18 | Captnoord | SKUID PCBA PN[0]0xA8081C00 |
| 17:48.18 | Captnoord | SKUID PCBA PN[1]0xA8081C01 |
| 17:48.18 | Captnoord | SKUID PCBA PN[2]0xA8081C02 |
| 17:48.18 | Captnoord | SKUID SKU Num0xA8081C03 |
| 17:48.19 | Captnoord | KUID PCB ID0xA8081C04 |
| 17:48.26 | Captnoord | ClockEnabled0xA80814F4 |
| 17:48.26 | Captnoord | PMICClockEnabled0xA80814F8 |
| 17:48.34 | Captnoord | dwSystemPowerState0xA80814D0 |
| 17:48.50 | adamw | phh: hehe :) meeting's over now |
| 17:48.52 | Captnoord | PmemHeapPhyAddr0xA80811D8 |
| 17:48.53 | Captnoord | dwPmemHeapSize0xA80811DC |
| 17:48.53 | Captnoord | OEM_ModelName0xA80811EC |
| 17:49.00 | Captnoord | ucWakedUpByBT0xA8081160 |
| 17:49.07 | adamw | now trying to figure out where the hell android saves its configuration |
| 17:49.08 | Captnoord | Related to SKUID Check Sum0xA8081000 |
| 17:49.08 | Captnoord | Hardware Board ID0xA8081030 |
| 17:49.19 | Captnoord | and last |
| 17:49.19 | Captnoord | CPLD MISC10xA8081038 |
| 17:49.19 | Captnoord | CPLD MISC20xA808103C |
| 17:49.20 | Captnoord | CPLD MISC30xA8081040 |
| 17:49.20 | Captnoord | CPLD GPO0xA8081044 |
| 17:49.20 | Captnoord | CPLD INT40xA8081054 |
| 17:49.22 | Captnoord | spammmm |
| 17:49.33 | Captnoord | the rest is all guessed |
| 17:50.22 | phh | adamw: somewhere in /data :p |
| 17:50.27 | bzo | phh: looking at vogue init. hmm, looks like they are using tar to copy, but they still need to fix dbus perm afterward |
| 17:50.35 | phh | ok |
| 17:51.31 | adamw | phh: oh, that'll be easy then :P |
| 17:51.36 | bzo | phh: they are using http://replimenu.sourceforge.net/ for the menu. Wonder how they mapped the keys? Perhaps they made a modified version of it? |
| 17:51.48 | phh | adamw: hum actually I still need the i2c logs |
| 17:52.00 | phh | because mastermerlin gave only the WRITE registers, but I think read register would be useful too |
| 17:52.32 | phh | bzo: why make a modified version of it ? |
| 17:53.00 | phh | it should just work as is |
| 17:53.14 | bzo | phh: I assume replimenu expects keyboard input. |
| 17:53.36 | phh | there is no such things as "keyboard input" in linux, there are just keys |
| 17:53.38 | phh | and arrows are keys. |
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| 17:54.34 | bzo | so then they must be map the hardware keys during init to arrow keys, etc? |
| 17:54.39 | phh | adamw: so addlist mmutrace 0xb2300000 0x10 |
| 17:54.41 | phh | setlcd 4 |
| 17:54.43 | phh | setlcd 1 |
| 17:55.02 | adamw | phh: kk, just a sec, rebooting |
| 17:55.11 | phh | bzo: mapping hardware keys to logicail keys is kernel's role -_-' |
| 17:55.13 | adamw | i got about two seconds of the android bootsplash before the energyrom one, heh |
| 17:56.14 | bzo | phh: but you wouldn't want that mapping once android boots right? |
| 17:56.23 | phh | why ?!? |
| 17:56.25 | phh | arrows are arrows -_-' |
| 17:56.44 | adamw | phh: some phones don't have arrows... |
| 17:56.50 | phh | adamw: ah. |
| 17:56.59 | adamw | you'd have to pick some of the front buttons to be 'arrows' in your little boot app |
| 17:57.04 | adamw | but you wouldn't want 'em to be that once you booted |
| 17:57.04 | phh | bzo: their phones do have arrows, they have no strange stuff to do |
| 17:57.47 | bzo | ? the vogue has no keyboard ... just volume, dpad, power, etc and those are mapped to make the menu work |
| 17:57.54 | phh | bzo: dpad are arrows .... |
| 17:58.18 | bzo | ahh |
| 17:58.24 | adamw | phh: i'm thinking topaz. and probably rhodium since it'd be ugly to have to pop out the keyboard to do the boot app |
| 17:58.37 | phh | adamw: we can do touchscreen app anyway |
| 17:58.42 | adamw | nice :) |
| 17:58.46 | bzo | is the dpad center button mapped to a "keyboard" key as well? |
| 17:58.47 | adamw | that would definitely win |
| 17:59.15 | phh | bzo: let me resay it... for linux there is no distinction between "keyboard" key and dpad key |
| 17:59.17 | phh | it's just a key. |
| 17:59.46 | adamw | phh: http://fpaste.org/Dx3C/ |
| 17:59.54 | adamw | phh: shouldn't there be a wirq in there somewhere? |
| 18:00.09 | phh | adamw: yes there would be some :p |
| 18:00.20 | phh | I don't remember how you're supposed to do that though |
| 18:00.33 | dcordes | ·8#<k+w21^1wr45ti |
| 18:00.34 | adamw | er, yeah, it's a blocking operation isn't it :P |
| 18:00.38 | adamw | lemme go read the docs |
| 18:00.39 | phh | dcordes: cool |
| 18:00.50 | phh | adamw: maybe launch two harets ? :p |
| 18:00.53 | dcordes | ^1#q>xsrftgb ^1^' |
| 18:01.04 | Boydell | dcordes: wtf? |
| 18:01.06 | adamw | good morning to you too, mr. perl hacker |
| 18:02.28 | adamw | phh: you can't connect two telnets to haret at once apparently... |
| 18:02.48 | phh | I don't know how you're supposed to do then |
| 18:02.50 | adamw | phh: what if I just wirq and turn the screen off with the button? |
| 18:03.03 | phh | adamw: you'll loose usb connection I think |
| 18:03.11 | adamw | hey, can't hurt to try |
| 18:03.52 | adamw | nope, didn't lose the connection |
| 18:04.05 | adamw | here's a screen off: |
| 18:04.06 | adamw | http://fpaste.org/fhJU/ |
| 18:05.02 | adamw | phh: screen on: |
| 18:05.03 | adamw | http://fpaste.org/eO21/ |
| 18:05.43 | phh | thanks |
| 18:05.45 | adamw | npnp |
| 18:06.06 | dcordes | that was the laptop cat |
| 18:06.33 | phh | :) |
| 18:06.38 | adamw | phh: anything else i can get you atm? gonna go out for breakfast soon |
| 18:06.57 | phh | led dumps |
| 18:07.08 | adamw | from haret or in linux? |
| 18:07.41 | phh | haret |
| 18:07.48 | adamw | alrighty, i'm still in haret, hit me |
| 18:08.08 | phh | same trace commands |
| 18:08.14 | phh | and change the led color. |
| 18:08.19 | adamw | okay |
| 18:08.41 | adamw | hmm |
| 18:08.49 | phh | how ? I don't know :p |
| 18:08.50 | adamw | doing THAT without losing the usb connection could be tricky |
| 18:08.54 | adamw | :D |
| 18:09.03 | adamw | i guess i could do something crazy like read the manual |
| 18:10.08 | phh | I don't think you'll find such things there :/ |
| 18:10.40 | phh | no read ? weird |
| 18:10.49 | adamw | ooh. the thing on the right-hand side of the speaker isn't another led |
| 18:10.51 | adamw | it's the light sensor |
| 18:10.54 | phh | (I mean no i2c read command) |
| 18:10.58 | adamw | see, the things you find in manuals... |
| 18:11.03 | phh | adamw: lol |
| 18:11.27 | ReeferMattness | lol yup, thought it was 2 LEDs like on my Tilt1 |
| 18:11.32 | ReeferMattness | until I read :) |
| 18:11.41 | adamw | ok i think i can fudge it |
| 18:11.51 | adamw | but it'll have to wait till i'm back from breakfast as it'll be annoying |
| 18:11.58 | adamw | making it *flash* would be easy, but not changing color |
| 18:12.00 | ReeferMattness | bring me something back adam :) |
| 18:12.03 | adamw | is flashing enough? |
| 18:12.04 | phh | adamw: one way is to untick the "charging with usb" box :p |
| 18:12.10 | phh | yes flashing is enough |
| 18:12.13 | adamw | oh k |
| 18:12.20 | adamw | then i can just send the phone a message... |
| 18:12.54 | Boydell | adamw: bring me some breakfast too :) |
| 18:12.54 | Boydell | haha |
| 18:13.34 | phh | adamw: actually a flashing might show some advanced microp features. |
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| 18:14.41 | phh | adamw: hum what's the mmutrace command you ran ? |
| 18:15.07 | phh | you used 0x10 for the size (the last argument) |
| 18:16.34 | phh | +? |
| 18:16.34 | adamw | i just pasted it |
| 18:16.42 | adamw | oh...did i miss the last bit? |
| 18:16.49 | adamw | i'll redo it if you like |
| 18:17.05 | phh | no it seems fine |
| 18:17.07 | phh | but weird. |
| 18:17.09 | adamw | oh okay. |
| 18:17.24 | adamw | my attempt to get the lcd flashing sent the mmutrace nuts but didn't actually flash it. i'll try again later |
| 18:17.27 | adamw | gotta go eat for now |
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| 18:24.52 | phh | JesusFreak316: you still haven't got mer working ? |
| 18:25.49 | bzo | phh: ok tried replimenu in android terminal window. Does not see dpad presses. Think it will behave any different during init? |
| 18:26.21 | phh | definitly |
| 18:27.54 | bzo | ok, I'll try again with init |
| 18:29.54 | bzo | btw, I see where they trigger menu now. They detect volume key pressed by looking at /sys/class/vogue_hw/keys |
| 18:31.17 | makkonen | hey, cool, people are working on that. |
| 18:32.11 | Boydell | makkonen: on what? |
| 18:32.30 | makkonen | the vogue initrd and replimenu. |
| 18:33.06 | Boydell | ah yes |
| 18:33.14 | Boydell | I'm playing around with the mic thing |
| 18:33.18 | Boydell | seeing what i can do |
| 18:33.24 | bzo | I would just call it some initial investigation, :p |
| 18:33.26 | Boydell | making a call first is a pain in the a$$ |
| 18:33.45 | makkonen | boydell: yeah. biggest issue on cdma devices right now, I'd say. |
| 18:34.05 | Boydell | agreed. |
| 18:34.07 | tmzt | on g1/adp1? |
| 18:34.20 | tmzt | phh: refering to your question to jf |
| 18:34.49 | Boydell | makkonen: going to see some of my uni buddies this weekend, ill bug them to help :) |
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| 18:35.13 | makkonen | yes. recruit them to the cause. viva la... htc. |
| 18:35.25 | Boydell | haha |
| 18:35.57 | Boydell | MrPippy: Do you have to call in WinMo first before launching haRET too? |
| 18:36.16 | MrPippy | yeah its needed for me too |
| 18:36.26 | Boydell | hm ok |
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| 18:39.50 | stinebd | phh: [09:40:31] <phh> [04:42:22] <stinebd> well time to try and fail miserably at adding an xdandroid product to my aosp tree <------ it would be awesome if you succeed <<<< partial success |
| 18:40.18 | stinebd | it boots and most stuff works, but calendar service crashes |
| 18:42.12 | phh | stinebd: cool |
| 18:42.19 | stinebd | and i have to integrate a lot of our specific stuff into it |
| 18:43.18 | stinebd | it's really not too hard as long as you understand makefiles |
| 18:44.45 | phh | android makefiles. |
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| 18:46.07 | phh | there are some things I just hate. like kernel refering to some macros that are declared nowhere -_-' |
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| 18:56.07 | graziano | leviathan, ping |
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| 19:00.53 | adamw | phh: http://fpaste.org/n9d9/ <--- led turning off |
| 19:02.04 | adamw | phh: http://fpaste.org/CPbP/ <--- led turning on (orange) |
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| 19:02.50 | cr2_ | dcordes: ping |
| 19:04.00 | dcordes | cr2_, pong |
| 19:04.05 | adamw | god DAMN you led, turn green already |
| 19:04.06 | adamw | heh |
| 19:04.35 | dcordes | cr2_, you on the way already? |
| 19:04.56 | Captnoord | cr2_: pm with more of the 0xA8081*** stuff |
| 19:05.56 | adamw | away for a bit |
| 19:06.02 | cr2_ | dcordes: Äussere Brucker Str. says my navi |
| 19:06.14 | cr2_ | Captnoord: add them to wiki |
| 19:06.23 | Captnoord | hehe |
| 19:06.24 | Captnoord | k |
| 19:06.35 | dcordes | cr2_, I'm still packing |
| 19:06.37 | cr2_ | dcordes: i'm staying at some parking in Erlangen |
| 19:07.01 | cr2_ | dcordes: where should i drive ? |
| 19:07.02 | dcordes | need 15min |
| 19:07.18 | cr2_ | ok |
| 19:07.25 | dcordes | cr2_, it's best to drive to the address provided |
| 19:07.37 | cr2_ | dcordes: in the village ? ok |
| 19:07.55 | dcordes | yes |
| 19:08.03 | cr2_ | ok |
| 19:08.47 | bzo | phh: replimenu doesn't see dpad during init either. |
| 19:11.22 | ToAsTcfh | phh: vfe_do_task is vfe_do_work in .29 lol |
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| 19:12.56 | ToAsTcfh | any event... i wasnt able to find anything really wrong with the msm_camera backport. everything seemed in check. but... its not. somehow someway |
| 19:14.41 | Captnoord | [20:04] <adamw> god DAMN you led, turn green already...... |
| 19:14.42 | Captnoord | lol |
| 19:14.53 | mc | shenanigans! |
| 19:14.55 | Captnoord | your in a big traffic jam? |
| 19:16.31 | Captnoord | dual color leds are usualy driven by 2 bits |
| 19:16.32 | Captnoord | :P |
| 19:16.44 | Captnoord | but you can do it with 1 if you like to |
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| 19:30.09 | ToAsTcfh | phh: well if u think of anything or happen to find the time to look at the source. let me know. as im really stuck here |
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| 19:36.47 | cr2_ | dcordes: ping |
| 19:38.04 | dcordes | cr2_, you in sparville? |
| 19:38.20 | cr2_ | house N12 |
| 19:38.50 | dcordes | ok I'll get out in 5 mins |
| 19:39.02 | cr2_ | ok |
| 19:39.20 | cr2_ | Captnoord: edited wiki ? |
| 19:39.22 | Captnoord | yup |
| 19:39.28 | cr2_ | great |
| 19:39.29 | Captnoord | just finished |
| 19:39.39 | Captnoord | got loads of unknowns |
| 19:39.43 | cr2_ | have you moved forward with the math ? |
| 19:39.47 | Captnoord | but I don't dare to add them |
| 19:39.53 | cr2_ | ok |
| 19:39.56 | Captnoord | yet |
| 19:40.00 | Captnoord | nope not yet |
| 19:40.04 | Captnoord | worked on school stuff today |
| 19:40.08 | Captnoord | this week* |
| 19:40.30 | Captnoord | I will take a look it once more... |
| 19:42.43 | cr2_ | ok |
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| 19:54.40 | phh | [20:27:22] <Captnoord> dual color leds are usualy driven by 2 bits <---- there is a pwm :p |
| 19:54.57 | Captnoord | even nicer... |
| 19:55.00 | Captnoord | pwm |
| 19:55.04 | Captnoord | 1 period timer |
| 19:55.13 | Captnoord | and 1 pwm set timer |
| 19:55.30 | Captnoord | first one obviousely is used to set the working period |
| 19:55.40 | Captnoord | and 1 is to set the pwm percentage |
| 19:55.43 | Captnoord | part* |
| 19:57.01 | phh | to 0xcc>>1 (aka micropklt) 0x50 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 for led off |
| 19:57.03 | phh | seems quite faire |
| 19:57.05 | phh | -e |
| 19:57.24 | Captnoord | nope not strange |
| 19:57.28 | Captnoord | leds are driven reversed |
| 19:57.44 | Captnoord | when a chip needs to power a led.. |
| 19:57.49 | Captnoord | its usualy done this way |
| 19:57.53 | phh | reversed ? 0x00 for off is reverse ? uh ? |
| 19:57.57 | Captnoord | nope |
| 19:58.03 | Captnoord | 0x50 = 110 |
| 19:58.07 | Captnoord | 0b110 |
| 19:58.19 | Captnoord | woeps |
| 19:58.20 | phh | 0x50 is command id -_-' |
| 19:58.20 | Captnoord | wrong |
| 19:58.23 | Captnoord | slaps |
| 19:58.25 | Captnoord | oO |
| 19:58.30 | Captnoord | sorry |
| 19:58.35 | Captnoord | slaps himself even harder |
| 19:58.39 | Captnoord | and what command for on |
| 19:58.40 | Captnoord | ? |
| 19:58.47 | phh | 0x50 0x00 0x02 0xff 0xff for led orange |
| 19:58.55 | phh | adamw: can you get any other color ? |
| 19:59.05 | Captnoord | orange is yellow and red |
| 19:59.07 | Captnoord | try |
| 19:59.18 | Captnoord | 0x50 0x00 0x02 0xff 0x66 |
| 19:59.26 | Captnoord | or even 0x50 0x00 0x02 0xff 0x00 |
| 19:59.51 | phh | adamw: heard that ? :p |
| 20:00.30 | phh | adamw: echo 196352 > /dbgfs/micropklt_dbg/color_led |
| 20:01.59 | Captnoord | I still wonder why they use the high part of the umull intruction |
| 20:02.14 | Captnoord | Op{cond}{S} RdLo, RdHi, Rm, Rs |
| 20:02.22 | Captnoord | UMULL R2, R3, R1, R2 ; r3r2 = r1 * r2 |
| 20:02.50 | Captnoord | MOV R3, R3,LSR#3 ; ((r3r2 >> 32) & 0xFFFFFFFF) << 3 |
| 20:04.25 | Captnoord | phh ever wondered how they do variable * 10? |
| 20:04.26 | Captnoord | :P |
| 20:04.33 | Captnoord | r3 = r6 + ( r6 << 2 ); // r6 * 5 |
| 20:04.38 | Captnoord | r1 = r3 << 1;// r3 * 2 |
| 20:04.42 | Captnoord | is r6 * 10 |
| 20:04.44 | phh | oO |
| 20:05.04 | phh | there is no multiplication operator ? |
| 20:05.11 | Captnoord | friend of mine who had a couple of lessons compilers... explained it to me |
| 20:05.15 | Captnoord | this is faster |
| 20:05.50 | Captnoord | doesn't set condition flags and stuff |
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| 20:06.38 | Captnoord | i'm getting there |
| 20:06.40 | Captnoord | last part of |
| 20:06.40 | Captnoord | GetBatteryInfo |
| 20:07.11 | Captnoord | but it has unholy functions with emulated floating point calculations |
| 20:07.14 | Captnoord | evil!!!!! |
| 20:07.25 | Captnoord | our chip should have fpu |
| 20:07.28 | Captnoord | but doesn't use it |
| 20:08.40 | phh | maybe it's slower than emulated ? |
| 20:09.09 | Captnoord | possible |
| 20:14.14 | phh | cr |
| 20:14.16 | phh | fail. |
| 20:14.31 | Captnoord | ? |
| 20:14.44 | phh | cr2: do you know if the panel/backlight init depends for rhod has dfferent ways ? |
| 20:15.06 | phh | I've a dump that uses an i2c device (0x70>>1), and one that doesn't use it (though mddi I guess) |
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| 20:47.47 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 20:47.52 | Captnoord | that was all the easy stuff |
| 20:48.02 | Captnoord | hard emulation stuff functions tomorrow |
| 20:48.03 | Captnoord | :S |
| 20:49.00 | phh | lazyness is no good :p |
| 20:49.23 | Captnoord | lazyness is good... its the reason we became hackers / coders |
| 20:49.34 | Captnoord | don't want to pay |
| 20:49.37 | Captnoord | so crack / hack |
| 20:50.41 | Captnoord | http://netwinder.osuosl.org/users/s/scottb/public_html/notes/FP-Notes-all.html |
| 20:50.43 | Captnoord | old stuff |
| 20:50.46 | Captnoord | softfloat |
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| 20:57.21 | bzo | MrPippy: running mmc at 50mhz, timing some transfers now... |
| 20:58.40 | adamw | phh: i'm back now |
| 20:58.50 | MrPippy | what did you change? |
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| 20:58.56 | phh | adamw: have you ever got 3D working on android btw ? |
| 20:59.00 | MrPippy | Captnoord: you've been going through the battery driver? |
| 20:59.03 | phh | MrPippy: msmsdcc_fmax=50000000 ? |
| 20:59.33 | bzo | ^^ yes |
| 20:59.35 | adamw | phh: i've never tried, i don't even know how you check if it's running. android doesn't use X, does it? |
| 20:59.43 | phh | no |
| 21:00.18 | phh | adamw: their are many 3D games/apps in the market |
| 21:00.34 | MrPippy | i thought you'd have to change clock-wince, since that has 32 MHz hardcoded for sd clock |
| 21:00.43 | phh | MrPippy: ?!? |
| 21:00.59 | phh | no mmc clock is hardcoded in clock-wince |
| 21:01.09 | phh | we just set the clock the driver want us to set |
| 21:01.19 | phh | well, the one that is the nearest. |
| 21:01.32 | MrPippy | MSM_CLOCK_REG(32000000, 1, 0x0c, 0x06, 1, 3, 1, 1, 768000000), /* SD, 32MHz */ |
| 21:01.51 | phh | hum we have no clock between 32MHz and 50MHz, so it will be 32MHz anyway. |
| 21:02.06 | phh | MrPippy: yes, it doesn't mean it's hardcoded, it just means it's what windows uses |
| 21:02.15 | Captnoord | MrPippy: yup.... emulated float math == pain in the ass |
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| 21:02.31 | Captnoord | got most of the not so hard stuff |
| 21:02.33 | phh | bzo: try 60MHz |
| 21:02.53 | bzo | hehe, well maybe that is why my timing results are the same as 32mhz, I'll try 60 next |
| 21:03.24 | phh | bzo: that's supposed to be a bluetooth clock, so it might work :p |
| 21:03.27 | Captnoord | MrPippy: I need to go... talk to ya later |
| 21:03.37 | phh | I should have saved the clocks cr2 gave me. |
| 21:03.46 | adamw | phh: i'll try it, i think it's not working though, from what matt's said. i'll try the led thing too soon. i've just gotta take out the trash... |
| 21:03.58 | adamw | anything to try on PM yet? |
| 21:04.02 | phh | no |
| 21:04.18 | phh | I'll make a build with 3D |
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| 21:06.27 | adamw | ok |
| 21:06.50 | phh | I have too many games to test now |
| 21:11.55 | bzo | hmm, mmc performance is actually slightly slower at 60mhz |
| 21:12.28 | bzo | seems like it is atually setting that speed: [ 13.970062] mmc1: MMC clock 144000 -> 60000000 Hz, PCLK 64000000 Hz |
| 21:12.40 | bzo | so I guess the diamond internal storage is the bottleneck |
| 21:12.49 | phh | hu ? |
| 21:13.09 | phh | oh right, it takes the first higher, not lower clock.* |
| 21:13.28 | phh | bzo: now you can try downclocking the bus to save power |
| 21:13.34 | phh | and see when you get lower results |
| 21:14.15 | bzo | ok, I'll try in a little while, bbl |
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| 21:26.47 | chamonix | hey guys |
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| 21:27.09 | adamw | hey |
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| 21:30.07 | phh | chamonix: i'm moving back to donut. |
| 21:30.51 | adamw | phh: there's no color_led in /dbgfs/micropklt_dbg |
| 21:30.54 | adamw | am I missing a module? |
| 21:31.02 | fish1209 | bought a fuze for 50 bucks yesterday very nice phone |
| 21:31.02 | phh | too old kernel maybe ? |
| 21:31.15 | adamw | phh: shouldn't be, this is the one with your landscape / portrait fix |
| 21:31.18 | adamw | fish1209: nice price |
| 21:31.21 | fish1209 | yep |
| 21:31.24 | phh | where does people find so low price. |
| 21:31.31 | adamw | i sold a diamond for $100, heh |
| 21:31.32 | phh | adamw: yes it's too old :p |
| 21:31.35 | fish1209 | wonders why it says raphxxx in it though |
| 21:31.37 | adamw | phh: oh okay :) |
| 21:31.42 | BHSPitLappy | anyone here familiar with the Kaiser android ports? |
| 21:31.43 | adamw | phh: i'll get the latest hottness |
| 21:32.04 | adamw | phh: has it gone to glemsom yet or should I roll my own? |
| 21:32.11 | phh | it's on glemsom |
| 21:32.13 | adamw | kk |
| 21:32.43 | GlemSom | huh? Anything I need to know here? |
| 21:32.57 | phh | GlemSom: not for that |
| 21:33.05 | phh | GlemSom: I think you're going to make two branches. |
| 21:33.17 | GlemSom | Ok? |
| 21:33.27 | phh | I just have to figure out how to put that properly |
| 21:33.38 | GlemSom | What will the difference be? |
| 21:33.51 | phh | reverting 3D driver to donut's one |
| 21:34.38 | phh | hum, but 3D doesn't work at all in eclair anyway so I could maybe just revert it and let the tries for myself ... |
| 21:35.19 | phh | yup I'll definitely do that. |
| 21:35.39 | adamw | It Can't Possibly Break Anything, right? |
| 21:35.58 | phh | adamw: yup |
| 21:36.06 | adamw | i love that phrase |
| 21:36.17 | phh | :) |
| 21:36.25 | adamw | especially at 3am during release cruches |
| 21:36.28 | adamw | crunches* |
| 21:36.37 | phh | NB: running donut with an eclair's data.img is no good idea. |
| 21:36.48 | adamw | you'd be really amazed at how much stuff things that CPBA can break |
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| 21:37.12 | GlemSom | phh NEVER breaks stuff... what ever he does, it's _NOT_ a bug, it's a feature... :P hehe |
| 21:37.33 | phh | (or i'm in vacations -_-') |
| 21:37.53 | adamw | phh: it's orange currently, echoing 196352 doesn't change it. |
| 21:38.06 | phh | adamw: groumpf. |
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| 21:38.15 | phh | 0 doesn't either I guess ? |
| 21:38.17 | adamw | try some other numbers? :P |
| 21:38.25 | adamw | nada |
| 21:38.27 | adamw | still orange |
| 21:39.05 | phh | cat /dev/random > /dbgfs/blabla ? :D |
| 21:39.07 | adamw | i can write a little loop to try every number in the middle in turn if you like =) |
| 21:39.18 | phh | na it's just that my code is wrong |
| 21:39.20 | adamw | haha, that's funnier |
| 21:39.29 | chamonix | phh: w00t? |
| 21:39.44 | phh | adamw: didn't I said that the i2c command was 0x50 ? |
| 21:39.54 | adamw | err |
| 21:39.58 | adamw | i don't remember |
| 21:40.06 | phh | i'm pretty sure I did |
| 21:40.19 | adamw | just lemme check my log |
| 21:40.36 | phh | yes I did. |
| 21:41.11 | adamw | yeah, you did. |
| 21:41.29 | phh | adamw: git pull and rebuild and retry |
| 21:41.36 | adamw | typo? :) |
| 21:41.41 | phh | don't know |
| 21:41.52 | phh | the topaz log markinus gave me seems to say it's 0x51 |
| 21:42.01 | phh | but maybe I damaged the file with wrong vim commands |
| 21:42.45 | chamonix | phh: any specific reason for going back? |
| 21:42.52 | phh | chamonix: I want 3D ! :p |
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| 21:43.14 | adamw | building now |
| 21:43.34 | adamw | ...done |
| 21:43.38 | adamw | loves his build system :P |
| 21:43.51 | chamonix | lol |
| 21:44.14 | chamonix | once I finished the effects app I'll test if with lower SDK |
| 21:44.52 | adamw | phh: shall I test 3D too, for lolz? |
| 21:45.04 | phh | adamw: can't work |
| 21:45.06 | adamw | ah k |
| 21:45.22 | phh | i'm pretty sure you never had a build that could get it working |
| 21:46.39 | makkonen | chamonix: I looked at dropbear a bit, but the latest version from cyanogen fails to build. So..... maybe I would like those precompiled binaries. :-) |
| 21:47.33 | adamw | phh: well that does somethin |
| 21:47.35 | chamonix | makkonen: no problem, I'll upload them.... I built from original source + patch and from cyanogen with success after fiddling at the config.h |
| 21:47.37 | adamw | 196352 turns it off |
| 21:47.46 | phh | adamw: and 0 turns it on ? :p |
| 21:47.49 | adamw | 0...leaves it off |
| 21:47.56 | adamw | dev/random? :P |
| 21:48.10 | phh | now big endian fun. |
| 21:48.34 | makkonen | chamonix: hmm. didn't touch the config.h... but it was dying with an error about previously declared functions in sshpty.c. seemed like something non-trivial. |
| 21:48.42 | phh | adamw: 4294902274 ? |
| 21:48.50 | makkonen | I guess it could just be some wrong flag set, though. |
| 21:49.08 | adamw | phh: orange |
| 21:49.17 | chamonix | makkonen: I had that too and ended undefining some pty stuff |
| 21:49.20 | phh | adamw: cool |
| 21:49.26 | adamw | ve haff zer monochrome led control! nice |
| 21:49.38 | phh | 4278190594 ? |
| 21:49.53 | adamw | still orange |
| 21:50.25 | adamw | same orange. |
| 21:50.29 | phh | 16712194 ? |
| 21:50.53 | adamw | er, my telnet connection appears to have died. just a sec |
| 21:50.57 | phh | god, donut is sssssoooooooooo smooth |
| 21:51.06 | phh | why did I went to eclair ? |
| 21:51.29 | adamw | gah. i still haven't mapped > on the keyboard yet either |
| 21:51.44 | adamw | huh, okay, this has screwed something up for sure, i can't launch a terminal now...heh |
| 21:52.09 | adamw | back in. yay. |
| 21:52.14 | GlemSom | phh, I guess a good question would be, IF eclair had hardware acceleration supports, would be it as fast as donut...? :P |
| 21:52.28 | adamw | still orange... |
| 21:52.30 | phh | GlemSom: i'd bet on a no |
| 21:52.32 | phh | adamw: grrrrrrr |
| 21:52.44 | phh | adamw: 2 ? |
| 21:52.59 | adamw | orange...i wonder if we've confused it now |
| 21:53.08 | adamw | no, 0 still turns it off |
| 21:53.14 | phh | 3 ? |
| 21:53.14 | adamw | and 2 turns it orange |
| 21:53.16 | MrPippy | we probably have to wait for a real msm7x00 eclair port to show up before 3d will work? |
| 21:53.23 | adamw | 3 is off |
| 21:53.32 | phh | adamw: 1 ? |
| 21:53.38 | adamw | green! |
| 21:53.40 | adamw | well that was simple |
| 21:53.42 | adamw | :P |
| 21:53.47 | phh | -_-' |
| 21:53.55 | adamw | i'm betting 0 is off, 1 is green, anything else is orange |
| 21:54.00 | phh | 4 ? |
| 21:54.13 | adamw | ...off |
| 21:54.14 | adamw | heh |
| 21:54.28 | adamw | 6 is green again |
| 21:54.36 | adamw | 7 and 8 are off |
| 21:54.49 | adamw | so are 9 and 10. |
| 21:55.03 | phh | adamw: for i in $(seq 1 128);do adb shell "echo $i > /blabla" sleep 1;done |
| 21:55.05 | phh | and watch |
| 21:55.15 | adamw | i'm not on adb, but i'll adapt it. |
| 21:55.27 | phh | and add echo $i alone to see where you're. |
| 21:55.43 | phh | adamw: your led has only two positions, green and orange ? |
| 21:55.46 | phh | no yellow or I don't know what ? |
| 21:55.54 | phh | I mean no middle position ? |
| 21:56.55 | phh | god, I totally love android again with donut. |
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| 21:57.38 | chamonix | makkonen: added at bottom of the page |
| 21:58.16 | adamw | aha, yellow around 41 or so |
| 21:58.25 | adamw | (i'm having it echo the number it's testing back to the console) |
| 21:59.12 | adamw | oh you suggested that too, heh |
| 21:59.33 | phh | 41=1+8+64 |
| 21:59.49 | phh | with 1=green |
| 21:59.50 | phh | mmmm |
| 21:59.58 | adamw | yeah 41 is the yellow |
| 22:00.10 | adamw | nothing past 41 did anything, they were all off |
| 22:00.42 | phh | adamw: can you trace flashing leds now ? |
| 22:00.56 | adamw | i couldn't actually get it to flash in winmo, though the manual claims it does |
| 22:00.59 | adamw | may be something in energyrom |
| 22:01.02 | adamw | i'll give it a shot, anyway |
| 22:01.19 | phh | ok |
| 22:01.29 | adamw | anything else from android before I reboot? |
| 22:01.40 | phh | no |
| 22:01.42 | adamw | kk |
| 22:01.51 | makkonen | chamonix: thanks. |
| 22:03.00 | chamonix | ur welcome |
| 22:03.05 | adamw | oh hey. that's funny. |
| 22:03.08 | adamw | it has a second led on the back. |
| 22:03.29 | adamw | when the front led is yellow the back one is as well |
| 22:03.35 | adamw | but when the front is green or orange, back is off |
| 22:03.36 | adamw | huh. |
| 22:03.43 | adamw | must be used during conference calls or something. |
| 22:03.53 | phh | -_-' |
| 22:03.59 | adamw | uh, speakerphone calls. |
| 22:04.08 | adamw | ooh |
| 22:04.16 | adamw | it indicates whether the mic is muted or not during speakerphone |
| 22:04.17 | adamw | heh |
| 22:05.01 | adamw | tilt2 has a button on the back that you can use to mute the mic when in speakerphone mode, that led shines through that button. neat. |
| 22:05.40 | makkonen | what a nice/complicated phone. |
| 22:05.57 | adamw | makkonen: they marketed it fairly heavily at business types who do a lot of conference calls / speakerphone |
| 22:06.14 | adamw | it had special features for it in its stock at&t rom, iirc. |
| 22:06.17 | bzo | MrPippy: 3d is working on eclair for vogue right now, so it seems like it should work for us |
| 22:07.07 | phh | bzo: I tried with their 3D libs, and no luck. |
| 22:07.28 | phh | maybe it's in some libs I don't know though |
| 22:07.36 | phh | anyway eclair is too heavy for diamond |
| 22:07.45 | bzo | phh: tried 16mhz for mmc. Reads performance down 50%, write performance down 15%. So perhaps 32mhz is close to ideal for diamond. |
| 22:07.48 | makkonen | will hardware 3d accelerate anything in the general day to day use, or only specific apps? |
| 22:08.15 | phh | makkonen: afaik only specific apps |
| 22:08.33 | bzo | phh: when I have time, I will try 3d with a full 2.1 build |
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| 22:10.04 | GlemSom | Since I'm rewriting most of my code anyway (mainly to cleanup my code... this project has grown way beyond my initial expectations), does anyone else have any wishes/suggestions? (current ideas: 1: support more repos and branches; 2: push logfiles eventhough a compile failes; 3: tricker re-check for changes from web-page; 4: Splitting of module-package (Required and additional modules)) |
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| 22:10.49 | |Jason8| | GlemSom: Talking about the autobuild service you offer? |
| 22:10.54 | |Jason8| | it's awesome and I love it, btw. :) |
| 22:11.09 | |Jason8| | A suggestion would be to set it up more like a blog. |
| 22:11.15 | |Jason8| | So we can have a real comment system |
| 22:11.35 | adamw | ...or use a feedback system more designed for software development than posts about kittens, alternatively |
| 22:11.38 | phh | |Jason8|: we already have a bugtracker :p |
| 22:12.08 | |Jason8| | Lol. I think it's good to have both. |
| 22:12.22 | |Jason8| | Maybe integrate the two or something? |
| 22:12.25 | phh | I mean bugtracker which also does forum and wiki and something else. |
| 22:12.31 | |Jason8| | Interesting... |
| 22:12.37 | |Jason8| | WEll there you go. :P |
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| 22:12.57 | phh | |Jason8|: see the "Bugtracker and forum dedicated to this project can be found at: http://pjottrr.no-ip.org:81/redmine/projects/show/androidphh " line on glemsom's page ? :p |
| 22:13.01 | GlemSom | The comments section is currently useless atm... I'm getting really frustrated with all the useless comments there (no,, REALLY REALLY frustrated)... At a later point, the comments-section will be read-only for most people, and only a handful will have write access to it. |
| 22:13.22 | |Jason8| | Eh, I like reading the comments. |
| 22:13.29 | GlemSom | Though, currently I'm focusing on the internals of the service... since I'm quite short of time atm (paying job takes too much time) ;) |
| 22:13.36 | |Jason8| | True that. |
| 22:13.41 | phh | GlemSom: bah, it helps me knowing when I broke^Wfeatured something |
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| 22:13.52 | |Jason8| | phh: true that! XD |
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| 22:14.14 | bzo | it is almost like an automated test script :) |
| 22:14.19 | phh | JesusFreak3161: still a trailing 1 :p |
| 22:14.34 | phh | bzo: an automated test script isn't random. |
| 22:14.38 | GlemSom | phh, I still have comments like "uhh, it feels faster then then the last build." - eventhough you've just enabled debugfs (just an example) |
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| 22:14.54 | phh | oh I got used to them. |
| 22:15.39 | bzo | phh: random testing is a feature |
| 22:15.45 | phh | sure. |
| 22:16.13 | adamw | GlemSom: first rule of The Community: The Community always believes 1.2 is faster than 1.1, but 2.0 is much slower than either |
| 22:16.14 | adamw | this holds true for all 1.2s, all 1.1s and all 2.0s ever :P |
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| 22:16.50 | |Jason8| | XD |
| 22:16.57 | bzo | we should put out a service pack release, and see if everyone says it is more stable |
| 22:17.12 | GlemSom | Well, no matter how you look at it, the comments section is getting to big to be in my "javascript-pop-up-thingy"... i AM interested in design ideas... though, for the next couple of days, I'll focus on the internal systems first... (Yeah, I'm one of those guys who has NO clue about design at all!!) |
| 22:17.27 | |Jason8| | Lol. |
| 22:17.28 | GlemSom | adamw, hehe, sounds soo true! :P |
| 22:17.39 | adamw | bzo: with no changes, yeah, the old placebo strategy :P |
| 22:17.52 | |Jason8| | GlemSom: The reason your service is so popular is because of the comment section |
| 22:18.01 | GlemSom | |Jason8|, Really? |
| 22:18.05 | |Jason8| | Yeah. |
| 22:18.14 | makkonen | ...really? |
| 22:18.25 | phh | rly ? |
| 22:18.28 | adamw | orly? |
| 22:18.32 | GlemSom | I was under the impression it was because it ALWAYS has the absolut latest kernels... |
| 22:18.44 | GlemSom | (Unless me or phh broke something...) :P |
| 22:18.45 | |Jason8| | THose "This feels faster than the last one I used" comments make people feel like they're giving back to the project. |
| 22:19.13 | makkonen | heh. |
| 22:19.20 | |Jason8| | Eh, People most of the time don't want THE LATEST kernel. They dont even know what a kernel is, probably. |
| 22:19.22 | makkonen | if you encourage the idiots, aren't you doing a disservice to... the world? |
| 22:19.26 | |Jason8| | Eh. |
| 22:19.27 | JesusFreak316 | Yay |
| 22:20.15 | JesusFreak316 | phh knows what I'm talking about. ;) |
| 22:20.20 | |Jason8| | It'd be cool to have an android app that would send along information along with comments/thoughts. |
| 22:20.41 | bzo | I think makkonen may start putting a quiz in his builds. Before android starts it will ask a technical question before you can proceed |
| 22:20.46 | adamw | do a microsoft: write the application, send the feedback to /dev/null |
| 22:20.50 | phh | bzo: :)))) |
| 22:20.57 | |Jason8| | lol |
| 22:21.20 | adamw | "we have received your valuable feedback and will treat it with the consideration it deserves" (faint sound of shredder in background) |
| 22:21.40 | phh | adamw: still no flashing ? |
| 22:21.52 | adamw | phh: no, i'm looking around for something I remember seeing in a wm rom I used to run |
| 22:21.58 | phh | ok |
| 22:21.59 | JesusFreak316 | What????? My thousands of error reports aren't doing anything? OH NOES!!! |
| 22:22.01 | adamw | it was a little tweaky app for playing with the leds |
| 22:22.17 | adamw | i may have been imagining it, though, can't frickin' find anything |
| 22:22.55 | GlemSom | By looking at google-analytics, I have about 3-4600 visits pr. day.... I honestly believe they visit the site to download the updates... I could be wrong though... |
| 22:23.36 | makkonen | bzo: that sounds awesome. not just technical questions... general knowledge. "does the word 'loose' mean: A) to be unable to find something. B) not tight." |
| 22:23.36 | adamw | guh, i'll just set it to flash on receiving an email and email myself. |
| 22:23.40 | phh | GlemSom: 4kvisites/day oO |
| 22:24.12 | GlemSom | phh, Yeah, peaks at about 4600 when you've done a lot of commits! :P hehe |
| 22:24.13 | adamw | why, at 50 visits per day per rabid forum bunny that's over 80 rabid forum bunnies! |
| 22:24.35 | GlemSom | adamw, huh what? You lost me here?!?! |
| 22:24.42 | phh | (same here) |
| 22:24.49 | chamonix | lol |
| 22:24.50 | JesusFreak316 | I got it.:) |
| 22:24.56 | phh | GlemSom: I think I need htcandroid.xland.cz stats -_-' |
| 22:24.58 | adamw | GlemSom: heh, if you figure every forum kid visits 50 times a day, that means there's 80 of 'em |
| 22:25.14 | bzo | makkonen: yes definately :) |
| 22:25.39 | chamonix | anyone around who's into Intent and BroadcastReceivers? |
| 22:25.55 | phh | chamonix: I plaid too much with them. |
| 22:26.05 | phh | maybe I can help (or maybe not) |
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| 22:27.22 | JesusFreak316 | GlemSom: I got yo back. :p But hey, since you are involved in the zImage so much, maybe you can help me. I am trying to get Mer to boot on my Fuze but Haret throws up errors about disabling an ena bit. Most it just skips; but it always hangs on one, usually #22. |
| 22:27.23 | makkonen | bzo: aaaaaaaaagh |
| 22:27.45 | GlemSom | adamw, ahh, I get your point now... uniq visitors has an avarage of 71.000 pr. month. |
| 22:28.06 | phh | GlemSom: only :D |
| 22:28.15 | GlemSom | phh, yeap :P |
| 22:28.32 | GlemSom | google-analytics is REALLY nice! :D |
| 22:28.52 | chamonix | well as I can't find what braodcasts are sent (if any) upon GTalk receive and Mail receive I look for a way to define an intent filter to send everything to a BroadcastReceiver in order to log and hopefully find out what intents are called when email/gtalk notifies incoming messages |
| 22:29.06 | chamonix | s/brao/broa |
| 22:29.35 | phh | ah. right. don't know |
| 22:30.07 | GlemSom | JesusFreak316, Honestly I cannot help you there... I focus on my buildsystem, which seems to take most of my "Open Source" time... sorry... :P |
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| 22:30.36 | chamonix | some moron has removed the GTalk API and the doc is crappy regarding what broadcasts exist and what perms/itent-filters are required to receive them |
| 22:30.39 | JesusFreak316 | Thanks anyways. Anyone else? |
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| 22:35.30 | tmzt | hey jf |
| 22:35.36 | tmzt | welcome to our channel :) |
| 22:35.39 | JesusFreak316 | Yeah? |
| 22:35.45 | JesusFreak316 | Thanks |
| 22:35.55 | tmzt | well haven't seen you before |
| 22:36.12 | JesusFreak316 | I've been on the XDANDROID thread quite a bit. |
| 22:36.19 | adamw | goddamnit FLASH you fricking led |
| 22:36.38 | tmzt | a yeah, are you working on g1/adp1? |
| 22:36.40 | chamonix | yea, show him who's the boss! |
| 22:36.47 | phh | adamw: lol |
| 22:36.51 | JesusFreak316 | I'm currently trying to get Mer, a community led version of Maemo, working on my Fuze |
| 22:37.12 | tmzt | make: lose not find, loose not tight |
| 22:38.35 | tmzt | hmm you should have better luck than I did |
| 22:38.53 | tmzt | what are you doing for touchscreen driver? |
| 22:38.53 | chamonix | phh: what mail client r u using? |
| 22:38.57 | phh | kmail |
| 22:39.02 | JesusFreak316 | I find that hard to believe. :p |
| 22:39.03 | chamonix | k |
| 22:39.29 | tmzt | nah, it takes dedication to do more than customize an installation in place |
| 22:39.42 | chamonix | I'm afraid I'll have to a) implement my own mail client or b) patch k-9 to send a broadcast upon mail receive |
| 22:39.51 | chamonix | same for gtalk |
| 22:40.43 | JesusFreak316 | I'm just using the zImage from GlemSom's builds. However I keep getting a ena bit error and haret hangs. I really don't know where to go from here. I'll probably just try a few different zImages as it sounds like a kernel error. |
| 22:40.57 | chamonix | I love code with undocumented APIs that are not even marked specifically by some naming convension |
| 22:41.23 | phh | chamonix: uncompress them and run strings on it :p |
| 22:41.33 | phh | JesusFreak316: ena bit is no error |
| 22:41.38 | phh | and if you see this error, it's not haret. |
| 22:41.52 | chamonix | phh: I am grepping the framework for an hours already |
| 22:42.01 | phh | ah. |
| 22:43.16 | chamonix | as I can't find any broadcasts I am looking for I am afraid they d'ont exist so I will have to bind to the services..... and there it gets ugly because there is no way to find out what I can get/pass to the bound service |
| 22:43.16 | JesusFreak316 | Well, yeah. It doesn't show up in the log. I guess it's the boot; either way it hangs and says FIXME! and I can't get past it. It skips a few of those then hangs on #22 usually. |
| 22:44.20 | adamw | phh: okay i have it flashing - would a trace of it *stopping* flashing be useful? |
| 22:44.28 | adamw | i can't make it *start* flashing while i'm tracing |
| 22:44.34 | phh | adamw: haha, no sorry :p |
| 22:45.25 | adamw | goddamnit |
| 22:45.37 | adamw | it seemed like it just wouldn't check for mail while it was haretting |
| 22:47.14 | ToAsTcfh | ahh |
| 22:47.25 | phh | ToAsTcfh: no still no camera tests done. |
| 22:48.05 | ToAsTcfh | lol |
| 22:48.17 | ToAsTcfh | why it gotta be like that |
| 22:48.30 | phh | because i'm fed up of eclair :p |
| 22:48.48 | ToAsTcfh | we have all but sms in donut working |
| 22:49.00 | ToAsTcfh | i think sms or mms |
| 22:49.05 | ToAsTcfh | not sure |
| 22:49.49 | ToAsTcfh | im pissed at eclair too. im native and its so much shit i gotta come here for answers |
| 22:50.43 | adamw | phh: okay, going to give it one more shot. |
| 22:51.04 | ToAsTcfh | u guys ever figure out the leds and shit? |
| 22:51.11 | adamw | hits send on his test email and settles down to watch Der Blinkenlight for the next ten minutes |
| 22:51.32 | phh | adamw: "true pushmail" ? :p |
| 22:51.34 | ToAsTcfh | woot |
| 22:51.46 | adamw | phh: imap server |
| 22:52.03 | phh | oh right. |
| 22:52.31 | adamw | i guess i'll try a missed call again, if this doesn't work. |
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| 22:54.30 | Boydell | makkonen: you around? |
| 22:55.58 | makkonen | yes |
| 22:57.45 | Boydell | the twilan modules on the wave |
| 22:57.54 | Boydell | is the file buggered? |
| 22:58.02 | makkonen | maybe? |
| 22:58.19 | Boydell | mind checking, and uplaoding a new one if it is? it wontlet me downlaod it ;( |
| 23:03.59 | adamw | phh: yeah, i think it can't check mail while connected to haret |
| 23:04.04 | adamw | alright, i'll try once more with a call |
| 23:04.07 | phh | haha |
| 23:04.11 | phh | stupid os :p |
| 23:04.14 | makkonen | boydell: new one uploaded. I'd guess it's just wave being a jerk. |
| 23:05.14 | Boydell | sweet thanks makkonen |
| 23:05.27 | chamonix | hey Boydell |
| 23:05.34 | Boydell | hey chamonix |
| 23:05.37 | Boydell | how goes it |
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| 23:06.38 | chamonix | pretty good ty, progressing quite fast.... hows u? |
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| 23:08.31 | adamw | oh fer fuck's sake |
| 23:08.38 | adamw | with a missed call i missed the trace timing by one second :P |
| 23:08.49 | adamw | my wirq ran out just as the blinkenlight started up, heh |
| 23:08.58 | phh | lol |
| 23:09.15 | adamw | try again... |
| 23:09.46 | dcordes-fosdem | mickey|zzZZzz ping |
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| 23:11.34 | dcordes | mickey|zzZZzz ping |
| 23:12.54 | MrPippy | someone mentioned last night that calling 911 in android hung the phone, i think we should probably mention that big and obvious in the forum threads |
| 23:12.55 | adamw | phh: okay...is http://fpaste.org/7f14/ good enough? |
| 23:13.08 | adamw | phh: best i can manage. that's the whole scrollback. it *should* have the blinking led trigger near the end |
| 23:13.25 | ToAsTcfh | phh: found this http://husson.hd.free.fr/dm-cam.1 |
| 23:13.39 | ToAsTcfh | vfetask is starting correctly |
| 23:13.39 | JesusFreak316 | Who wants to test 911? lol |
| 23:13.59 | phh | ToAsTcfh: hum you're sure ? |
| 23:14.15 | ReeferMattness | Didnt know that was a known bug pippy :) Just throwing it out there JIK |
| 23:14.37 | ToAsTcfh | phh: [ 193.943756] adsp: opening module VFETASK |
| 23:14.37 | ToAsTcfh | [ 193.943817] [RPC] CALL to 3000000a:0 @ 0:00000001 (56 bytes) |
| 23:14.38 | ToAsTcfh | [ 193.943847] [RPC] READ on ept c0e5c2c0 |
| 23:14.38 | ToAsTcfh | [ 193.944763] [RR] - ver=1 type=1 src=0:00000001 crx=0 siz=28 dst=1:c0e5c2c0 |
| 23:14.38 | ToAsTcfh | [ 193.944885] [RPC] READ on ept c0e5c2c0 (24 bytes) |
| 23:14.40 | ToAsTcfh | [ 193.944915] adsp: module VFETASK has been registered |
| 23:14.44 | adamw | phh: basically i still can't make it filter, so i did this: setup a wirq 30, in another console tab set up a kill on the telnet, then call my phone, start the wirq and switch to the tab with the kill command in it...as soon as it starts ringing, hang up, then hit the kill command as soon as i saw the light blink :) |
| 23:14.48 | phh | ToAsTcfh: you don't get "opening module" message ? |
| 23:15.03 | adamw | phh: so i basically killed the trace as quickly as possible after i saw the blink, then that's all there is in my console scrollback. |
| 23:15.20 | phh | ok |
| 23:15.26 | ToAsTcfh | phh: mine: # |
| 23:15.26 | ToAsTcfh | <6>[ 813.576110] adsp: opening module VFETASK |
| 23:15.26 | ToAsTcfh | # |
| 23:15.26 | ToAsTcfh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.26 | ToAsTcfh | # |
| 23:15.27 | ToAsTcfh | <6>[ 813.578155] adsp: module VFETASK has been registered |
| 23:15.35 | phh | ToAsTcfh: that's same as me then |
| 23:15.40 | phh | but we've got debug messages. |
| 23:15.53 | ToAsTcfh | i see |
| 23:16.05 | ToAsTcfh | i notice urs ends there too lol |
| 23:16.06 | adamw | ReeferMattness: you could try turning off location services and see if it works then |
| 23:16.27 | adamw | ReeferMattness: there was actually a Canadian recall of the htc dream and the other one rogers sells because they couldn't call 911 if location was enabled, heh |
| 23:16.37 | phh | adamw: did the screen turned off meanwhile ? |
| 23:16.38 | ToAsTcfh | i just dont unfder stand what our issue is |
| 23:16.38 | adamw | ReeferMattness: so we may be hitting some version of the same bug |
| 23:16.57 | ToAsTcfh | besides the obvious |
| 23:17.08 | adamw | phh: uh, i don't recall exactly, i was just focused on the light. it should have shown the ringer screen, then switched away from the ringer screen and popped up a 'missed call' notification |
| 23:18.06 | phh | most i2c commands in your log are sent/read to/from 0x70>>1 |
| 23:18.11 | phh | don't know what this could be |
| 23:18.54 | phh | there is some 0xcc 0x84 0x80 0x00 which might have some sense |
| 23:19.10 | adamw | phh: ok, so i call, the phone screen goes to full brightness and starts ringing, and the backlights for the phone buttons turn on. i hang up, the backlights turn off, the phone screen goes down to medium brightness and back to haret briefly, then it greys out the haret screen (doesn't turn the screen off) and pops up the missed call notification |
| 23:19.16 | adamw | that's all that happens aside from the blinkenlight |
| 23:19.23 | phh | argh |
| 23:19.27 | phh | phone button backlight |
| 23:19.35 | adamw | hey, be nice to have control over that too :P |
| 23:20.10 | adamw | i'm not sure i can come up with a way to trigger the blinkenlight without a call...hold on, lemme look through the possible notifications list again |
| 23:20.55 | phh | anyway I have to go to sleep now |
| 23:21.48 | adamw | no...can't find one that'd do the trick |
| 23:21.52 | adamw | incoming call is the best i can do :( |
| 23:22.03 | makkonen | I like the way 'der blinkenlights' has entered the hacker argot to the point where it's not even questioned. |
| 23:22.07 | adamw | =) |
| 23:22.24 | adamw | what, that's not the official name?! |
| 23:22.32 | makkonen | only on the BeBox. |
| 23:22.39 | adamw | heh. |
| 23:22.54 | Boydell | chamonix, meh its goin. I need to reinstall your app, for some reason when i restarted it reset back to v0.1 |
| 23:22.55 | adamw | on a sidenote, haret seems to be able to pin down the variant phone you're using quite accurately |
| 23:23.13 | makkonen | only if you've got a good version of it. |
| 23:23.17 | adamw | it gets that mine is not just a touch pro 2 but a 'T7373', which seems to be the tilt 2 oem codename or something |
| 23:23.21 | adamw | so it's obviously possible |
| 23:23.44 | makkonen | the released version (.5.2?) just calls mine a generic armv6 device, I think. |
| 23:23.51 | adamw | yeah i got the snapshot |
| 23:24.05 | tmzt | it's the same thing |
| 23:24.19 | adamw | hmm, t7373 might be for all tp2s actually. sigh. |
| 23:24.51 | adamw | phh: thanks again for the led and keyboard stuff |
| 23:24.54 | adamw | phh: night |
| 23:25.49 | makkonen | wikipedia has a pretty good page on 'blinkenlights' |
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| 23:26.23 | lioncat55 | hey any one here form androidonhtc.com |
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| 23:31.41 | adamw | wonders idly if ctrl-x / ctrl-v work in android |
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| 23:46.40 | adamw | hmm, nope. ctrl-c / ctrl-x / ctrl-v don't work for cutnpaste. well, that sucks. |
