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00:03.45 | leviathan | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
00:03.47 | leviathan | hmmm |
00:04.55 | leviathan | ohh |
00:04.57 | leviathan | now it works |
00:05.00 | leviathan | wonderfull |
00:05.13 | tmzt | add your ssh key |
00:05.21 | tmzt | don't use a username, just git@ |
00:05.21 | leviathan | its uploading |
00:05.26 | leviathan | yes |
00:05.32 | leviathan | its uploading |
00:05.38 | tmzt | can you give me the pull when it's done? |
00:05.38 | leviathan | just a litle tired |
00:05.41 | leviathan | thats all |
00:05.47 | tmzt | I'll branch as lev-tmzt locally |
00:05.48 | leviathan | ok |
00:06.06 | leviathan | ok |
00:06.42 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
00:06.42 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
00:06.42 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
00:06.43 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
00:06.48 | tmzt | ah, didn't know that |
00:07.16 | leviathan | hmm |
00:07.30 | leviathan | lets try newest shr on test-freerunner ^^ |
00:07.38 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
00:07.43 | tmzt | or this |
00:07.46 | phh | leviathan: oh it finally built ? :) |
00:07.54 | tmzt | so when we start pulling from vanilla that will be very useful |
00:08.42 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
00:09.28 | leviathan | :) |
00:09.31 | leviathan | ok |
00:09.41 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
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00:10.00 | tmzt | trying to see how I can do git checkout -b lev-tmzt with the clone git:// url |
00:12.58 | leviathan | ok |
00:13.08 | leviathan | the htcdream SHR is still building |
00:13.16 | leviathan | I'll try it tomorrow |
00:13.26 | leviathan | but they are on the same level |
00:13.32 | leviathan | same versions and so on |
00:13.37 | leviathan | if it works for freerunner |
00:13.44 | leviathan | it should also work for dream |
00:13.50 | leviathan | if not, its platformspecific |
00:14.14 | leviathan | likes references |
00:15.00 | leviathan | tmzt: well, its on 11% |
00:15.04 | tmzt | ok |
00:15.13 | leviathan | 12... |
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00:16.11 | leviathan | I would like to have dfu-util also working for dream |
00:16.15 | leviathan | and also same mtd partitions |
00:17.04 | leviathan | I dont need systemdata, userdata and cache |
00:17.23 | leviathan | why theres not simple solution for getting simply one big rootfs-partition? |
00:17.28 | leviathan | or is it? |
00:17.39 | leviathan | means simple solution |
00:18.27 | phh | I think you just have to change the atag |
00:18.46 | leviathan | where is this atag? |
00:18.54 | leviathan | or do you mean jtag? |
00:18.55 | tmzt | no we don't need those partions |
00:19.09 | tmzt | but you will have to flash the spl and replace it with something (like uboot maybe) |
00:19.12 | tmzt | to get that |
00:19.18 | tmzt | and not break the radio, hard to do |
00:19.20 | leviathan | hmm |
00:19.35 | leviathan | hmm |
00:19.57 | leviathan | that would it be, an uboot for htc-devices |
00:19.59 | leviathan | :) |
00:20.16 | leviathan | then I could use dfu-util to flash |
00:21.06 | leviathan | theres an android app which allows rooting without goldcard |
00:21.25 | leviathan | perhaps we could even use that to make an uboot-installer-app |
00:21.28 | leviathan | :) |
00:22.25 | tmzt | how? |
00:22.34 | tmzt | hmm, we can flash anything we want |
00:22.40 | tmzt | but messing with spl is dangerous |
00:22.55 | leviathan | uhm, yes |
00:22.59 | tmzt | if cmonex gets the multiboot stuff working we could just load an xip like windows does from a single partition |
00:23.06 | tmzt | do you know if boot.img is actually bootable code? |
00:23.19 | leviathan | uhhm |
00:23.32 | leviathan | its a kernelimage with a commandline header |
00:23.55 | leviathan | I'm creating it myself with a simple app |
00:23.55 | leviathan | mkbootimg |
00:24.11 | tmzt | it runs? |
00:24.16 | tmzt | once loaded |
00:24.58 | leviathan | yes |
00:25.10 | leviathan | it runs |
00:25.30 | leviathan | uhhm |
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00:30.40 | Snappo | hey guys I'm going insane here |
00:30.43 | leviathan | suspend is broken in shr -.- |
00:30.47 | leviathan | on freerunner |
00:30.50 | leviathan | ... |
00:30.53 | Snappo | I'm trying to mount a system.sqsh in ubuntu 9.10 |
00:30.56 | Snappo | and I keep getting this |
00:31.00 | leviathan | Snappo: well! Im already insane |
00:31.04 | leviathan | ;) |
00:31.17 | tmzt | is it done? |
00:31.18 | Snappo | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
00:31.20 | Snappo | I'm using this command: |
00:31.33 | Snappo | root@ian-laptop:/media/data# mount /home/ian/android/system.sqsh /media/data/ -t squashfs -o loop |
00:31.59 | leviathan | tmzt: http://ftp.o2s.ch/mkbootimg |
00:32.06 | tmzt | source? |
00:32.12 | leviathan | thats what I'm using for creating boot.img |
00:32.15 | leviathan | dunno |
00:32.18 | leviathan | :) |
00:32.19 | tmzt | won't open |
00:32.37 | Snappo | leviathan any idea why this file won't mount? |
00:32.41 | Snappo | it works fine on my phone |
00:33.17 | leviathan | Snappo: perhaps you dont have the needed kernel module loaded/compiled? |
00:33.22 | Snappo | hm |
00:33.27 | leviathan | lsmod |
00:33.37 | leviathan | modprobe -l | grep squash |
00:34.13 | Snappo | root@ian-laptop:/media/data# modprobe -l | grep squash kernel/fs/squashfs/squashfs.ko |
00:34.36 | leviathan | tmzt: http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/system/core/mkbootimg/ |
00:34.45 | Snappo | fart, I'm at my bus stop |
00:34.46 | Snappo | bbl |
00:35.00 | leviathan | okee |
00:35.36 | leviathan | tmzt: 23% |
00:35.39 | leviathan | -.- |
00:36.18 | tmzt | doesn't seem boot.img is executable |
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00:44.52 | leviathan | tmzt: its not executable |
00:45.07 | leviathan | it has a commandlineoption as header |
00:45.17 | leviathan | ok |
00:45.23 | leviathan | I'll sleep now |
00:45.26 | leviathan | until then |
00:45.37 | leviathan | I'll take a look again in some hours |
00:45.40 | leviathan | tmzt: gn8 |
00:54.16 | tmzt | pushed? |
00:54.47 | tmzt | git@gitorious.org:htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming.git |
00:55.15 | leviathan | 93% |
00:55.21 | tmzt | git checkout master |
00:55.21 | tmzt | git remote add origin git@gitorious.org:htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming.git |
00:55.21 | tmzt | git push origin master |
00:55.27 | tmzt | ah, thought that was shr |
00:55.32 | tmzt | cool |
00:55.39 | leviathan | nope |
00:55.44 | leviathan | now 94% |
00:55.48 | leviathan | 95 |
00:55.52 | tmzt | alright, good night |
00:56.02 | leviathan | 06 |
00:56.05 | leviathan | 96 |
00:56.12 | emwe | bye. |
00:56.14 | leviathan | take a look in some minutes |
00:56.19 | leviathan | bye |
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00:57.45 | MatBee | hey hey hey |
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01:14.51 | MatBee | So I have a kernel loading, how do I get it to start loading Android? |
01:15.00 | MatBee | I was told about something about noop |
01:15.37 | ToAsTcfh | tmzt: u gotta raph800 kernel u think might work on the hero? |
01:18.31 | tmzt | no, only to get to htcfb and test smi |
01:18.39 | tmzt | I can push an raph500 if I still have one |
01:18.52 | tmzt | MatBee: what hardware? |
01:19.01 | ToAsTcfh | 32a |
01:19.03 | MatBee | treo pro |
01:19.14 | MatBee | msm7501a |
01:19.34 | ToAsTcfh | can i stuff it in an update zip? |
01:20.05 | tmzt | no, you would have to build a boot.img |
01:20.13 | tmzt | I wouldn't flash it though, boot from fastboot |
01:20.14 | ToAsTcfh | i can do that |
01:20.29 | ToAsTcfh | mkboot |
01:20.33 | ToAsTcfh | style |
01:21.04 | ToAsTcfh | anyhow, i dont know another way to push it to the device |
01:21.28 | ToAsTcfh | but if u got one u think will work send it |
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01:34.58 | MatBee | so if someone can let me know how to boot android, even if its not functioning, with my kernel... |
01:35.27 | tmzt | what kernel? |
01:42.16 | tmzt | ~seen emwe |
01:42.30 | apt | emwe <n=michael@86.56.50.180> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 46m 18s ago, saying: 'bye.'. |
01:42.42 | tmzt | hmm, cool |
01:50.52 | ToAsTcfh | tmzt: i thought u said lastnight maybe a raph800 kernel would boot on the heroc |
01:51.41 | tmzt | raph500 and only to the htcfb |
01:52.10 | ToAsTcfh | oh.. |
01:54.30 | ToAsTcfh | i guess that wouldnt be much help to me. but if it got that far would it be possible to back trace what is needed to use it on a heroc? or were u think of something different |
01:58.51 | tmzt | yeah, it should |
01:59.00 | tmzt | but it would be interesting to see if it booted that far |
01:59.18 | tmzt | because it tells you the ram banks are right |
01:59.30 | tmzt | cloning lev git :) |
02:00.36 | ToAsTcfh | yeah we got a .27 kernel now and unless i get this framework hack right i need a newer kernel |
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02:01.20 | tmzt | the sensor stuff? what does kernel matter? |
02:03.31 | ToAsTcfh | the sensorsmanager has to be completely replaced with 1.5 s to get the gsensors to work |
02:03.48 | ToAsTcfh | camera usses a different .so too |
02:07.17 | ToAsTcfh | well if u got one in mind send it. ill check it out |
02:07.24 | ToAsTcfh | or a link |
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02:22.55 | tmzt | - strcpy(ui->gadget.dev.bus_id, "gadget"); |
02:22.55 | tmzt | + ui->gadget.dev.init_name="gadget"; |
02:23.01 | tmzt | I think this should be dev_set_name now |
02:23.08 | tmzt | look at the fixups in the codeaurora log |
02:28.20 | tmzt | let's see if we can get this to htcfb |
02:31.30 | tmzt | +#else |
02:31.31 | tmzt | +#define HTC_FB_PHYS 0x16800000 /* physical page for our fb */ |
02:31.31 | tmzt | +#define HTC_FB_OFF 0x0006a000 /* offset in the page to start of fb |
02:31.33 | tmzt | +#define HTC_FB_SIZE 0x00100000 /* map 1 MB (640 * 480 * 2 rounded p |
02:31.37 | tmzt | +#endif |
02:31.39 | tmzt | must be used on g1 then |
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02:58.18 | MatBee | \ |
02:58.36 | MatBee | tmzt, the one phh made ;) |
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03:09.14 | Shadowline | any topaz android users here? |
03:12.02 | Shadowline | no? |
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03:34.40 | Shadowline | anyone with android rom making experience? |
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04:11.33 | grayeul | quick question: Looks to me like you use haret to boot android .... how do you boot back to winmo? |
04:11.51 | MatBee | restart the device |
04:12.14 | MatBee | it doesnt replace the wince loader |
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04:13.25 | grayeul | ah... so haret just does a one-time boot? |
04:13.48 | MatBee | yep |
04:14.24 | grayeul | cool, thanks |
04:14.25 | MatBee | only time will android become permanent is with a flashing of the rom |
04:17.34 | MxxCon | hey folks. what kind of help do you need with getting linux/android to touchpro2? |
04:17.51 | MxxCon | i can't code, but i'll to help w/ whatever else i can |
04:20.15 | MatBee | sure you can |
04:20.19 | MatBee | anyone can code:) |
04:20.44 | MxxCon | (i don't want to learn how to code. sysadmin'ing is enough for me) |
04:20.49 | MatBee | ahaha |
04:21.33 | MxxCon | i can pipe ls into grep and that's as far as i'm willing to code :D |
04:23.02 | MxxCon | tmzt posted in rhodium thread that he/you need people to use haret to help figure out what's going on in the device..can i help? |
04:32.06 | tmzt | hey |
04:32.22 | tmzt | yeah, there's some stuff we can check |
04:32.54 | tmzt | how are the version 3 zImage working for you? |
04:33.56 | MxxCon | um, version 3? |
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04:34.08 | tmzt | on the thread |
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04:34.18 | tmzt | are you on topaz or rhod thread? |
04:34.30 | MxxCon | rhod |
04:34.42 | tmzt | hmm a lot of stuff we do is sysadmin stuff |
04:34.51 | tmzt | but not really with android |
04:35.16 | tmzt | sha: hey |
04:37.02 | tmzt | sorry, the haret stuff is to find some address or adsp stuff to get some more features working |
04:37.27 | tmzt | it's great to see so much progress on the gsm rhod |
04:37.32 | tmzt | but I have cdma rhod |
04:37.40 | tmzt | cdma/gsm |
04:38.12 | MxxCon | i'm on sprint |
04:38.52 | MxxCon | i didn't unlock it yet so i can't use another US simcard |
04:43.36 | tmzt | oah, the other thread |
04:43.44 | tmzt | anyone tried this on cdma version? |
04:44.17 | MxxCon | i tried 2.01 and 1.6 on my phone with similar results |
04:45.33 | MxxCon | i didn't try build that EGOvoruhk assembled yet |
04:46.26 | tmzt | no internet even with cr2's instructions? |
04:47.00 | MxxCon | don't know what those are |
04:47.12 | tmzt | MxxCon: mostly we need to know what addresses to trace/investigate |
04:47.21 | tmzt | in the rhod thread |
04:47.27 | tmzt | or topa not sure |
04:47.30 | tmzt | using pppd |
04:51.38 | MxxCon | hmm i don't see it..unless i'm looking in the wrong aplce |
04:52.02 | tmzt | just a question here |
04:53.00 | tmzt | is there a reason to have separate rhod/topa projects? |
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05:13.56 | MatBee | so tmzt, I've gotten the android linux kernel booting, it loads the classic linux type boot screen |
05:14.23 | MatBee | and phh told me to ask you about.. noop'ing it to make it start loading android? |
05:16.02 | MatBee | im using a custom zImage kernel from phh |
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06:38.33 | loxattack-2 | able to boot up 2.0.1 android on TP2 |
06:38.34 | loxattack-2 | :] |
06:38.36 | loxattack-2 | success |
06:38.38 | loxattack-2 | !!!!!! |
06:38.41 | loxattack-2 | omg! |
06:42.37 | makkonen | What works/what doesn't? |
06:43.11 | loxattack-2 | none of the hardware buttons |
06:43.26 | loxattack-2 | able to load up to home screen and loaded browser |
06:43.29 | loxattack-2 | rebooting now |
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07:14.20 | tmzt | mate: ah, just port the stuff from qualcomm-on-msm gito |
07:14.30 | tmzt | the mddi patches that comment out the init code |
07:14.49 | tmzt | Matthew__: |
07:14.55 | tmzt | matb: |
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08:26.36 | tmzt | why does topa board panel want raph include? |
08:26.40 | tmzt | wait |
08:26.43 | tmzt | I know :) |
08:26.47 | tmzt | the gpios are there |
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10:30.54 | tmzt | anybody understand the irq.c changes for wince amss? |
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10:37.33 | phh | irq is changed ? |
10:37.34 | phh | hum |
10:37.58 | phh | oh right, vic is cleared |
10:40.02 | tmzt | yeah |
10:40.21 | tmzt | can't push right now but things seem to be going ok |
10:40.35 | tmzt | gito qualcomm-msm works with small change (init-mmc) |
10:40.57 | tmzt | but I'm working on lev's tree readding wince support |
10:41.02 | tmzt | and no htcfb even |
10:41.06 | phh | ok |
10:41.12 | phh | rhod in my tree would be cool :) |
10:42.20 | tmzt | hmm they removed iomem base entries in ca 2.6.32? |
10:42.27 | tmzt | how would I work around that |
10:42.29 | tmzt | and why? |
10:42.35 | tmzt | your tree? |
10:43.04 | phh | http://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm ? |
10:45.02 | phh | (I call it my tree because i setted it up and currently it's the only one i did, so there is no confusion) |
10:45.34 | tmzt | ah |
10:45.45 | tmzt | well rhod is working with topa mtype |
10:45.55 | tmzt | to msmfb all I care about at this point |
10:46.19 | tmzt | you can bring in the patch from rhod thread to enable htcrhodium mtype |
10:46.20 | tmzt | easy |
10:46.34 | tmzt | also, change htcraphael mmc init to just init mmc |
10:46.38 | tmzt | in board topa |
10:46.44 | tmzt | push that and rhod works |
10:46.54 | tmzt | with topa mtype |
10:47.16 | phh | hu ? i thaught i did the init_mmc |
10:47.25 | tmzt | wait |
10:47.32 | tmzt | I pulled a few hours ago |
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10:47.39 | tmzt | maybe you did |
10:47.42 | phh | no |
10:47.45 | phh | i didn't |
10:47.58 | phh | strange, i was sure i did |
10:48.25 | The_Eccentric | know where to find the driver TIWLAN? |
10:48.48 | phh | The_Eccentric: android repo, in core/system/wlan/ti |
10:49.19 | The_Eccentric | http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=file&Itemid=68&id=52:android-1 |
10:49.25 | The_Eccentric | is that the right site for the repos? |
10:49.40 | phh | ?!? |
10:49.52 | phh | sure not. |
10:50.25 | phh | wait a second |
10:50.29 | The_Eccentric | kk |
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10:54.48 | phh | git clone git://codeaurora.org/quic/la/platform/system/wlan/ti.git |
10:56.31 | The_Eccentric | humm |
10:56.34 | The_Eccentric | can i wget tha/ |
10:56.36 | The_Eccentric | ? |
10:57.01 | phh | no |
10:58.10 | The_Eccentric | do i do that from my phone or what |
10:58.17 | The_Eccentric | sorry never used that format before |
10:58.48 | phh | you first have to build it ... |
10:59.04 | leviathan|sleep | tmzt: some critic on my code? ;) |
10:59.23 | leviathan|sleep | I know,perhaps my usbgadget fixing method is not the best |
10:59.25 | leviathan|sleep | but it works |
10:59.26 | leviathan|sleep | :) |
11:02.53 | The_Eccentric | phh, how? |
11:03.03 | phh | don't know |
11:03.15 | The_Eccentric | lol |
11:03.21 | The_Eccentric | ty for your help any way phh |
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11:10.37 | tmzt | ha |
11:10.41 | tmzt | not working |
11:10.56 | tmzt | I don't think that's it |
11:11.56 | tmzt | leviathan|sleep: your stuff is not working on rhod for me |
11:12.11 | tmzt | but I can't see why |
11:12.18 | tmzt | not even getting to htcfb |
11:12.24 | tmzt | and no usb at all |
11:12.45 | tmzt | hmm, did you pull the new stuff that enables timer shadow? |
11:12.58 | tmzt | seems to be needed for 2.6.32 |
11:13.07 | tmzt | but you have g1 working as is |
11:13.12 | tmzt | so I don't know |
11:14.04 | tmzt | things are also missing from io.c and don't have hardcoded virtuals |
11:14.19 | tmzt | can't see if that matters |
11:14.38 | tmzt | can we get a bare minmal devices.c to work? I might need your help for that |
11:15.05 | tmzt | also, phy and mmc status are suppposed to be irq resources now not gpio numbers |
11:15.15 | tmzt | I think you are behind on ca commits |
11:15.46 | tmzt | this makes device specific a little harder though |
11:16.04 | tmzt | since it has to modify resources not pdata |
11:18.45 | tmzt | hmm, this is weird but dm is a iores mem |
11:18.57 | tmzt | is that right? should that be phys? |
11:19.01 | tmzt | addr |
11:28.49 | tmzt | added a driver name alias to the toshiba client |
11:28.56 | phh | baaaaaahhhhh |
11:28.59 | phh | i totally forgot the mdc clock |
11:29.10 | phh | why do they need three clocks just to talk to a camera |
11:29.55 | tmzt | it's a weird camera interface |
11:30.09 | tmzt | do you have any other hardware? |
11:30.12 | tmzt | just g1? |
11:30.40 | tmzt | would be helpful to know if this thing is still runnable on g1 |
11:30.53 | tmzt | but I made some Makefile changes not exactly clean |
11:30.54 | tmzt | hmm |
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12:00.53 | StarLite | waves |
12:01.10 | phh | i'll take you for some haret gpio tests then |
12:01.20 | Captnoord | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
12:01.35 | StarLite | rgr :) |
12:01.36 | Captnoord | phh I have a bit of time |
12:01.37 | Captnoord | :P |
12:01.52 | phh | Captnoord: get the damn camera working ! :p |
12:02.02 | Captnoord | lol |
12:02.04 | phh | anyway time to eat |
12:02.06 | Captnoord | I don't have that time |
12:02.06 | Captnoord | :P |
12:02.15 | Captnoord | still working on my school stuff |
12:02.19 | Captnoord | in my freaking holliday |
12:02.29 | phh | haha |
12:02.35 | Captnoord | but i'm at home |
12:02.38 | Captnoord | and taking it easy |
12:02.39 | Captnoord | so hit me |
12:02.41 | Captnoord | :P |
12:03.05 | Captnoord | 'hit me baby one more time' |
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12:13.59 | tmzt | 2.6.32 boots to htcfb on rhod500 will push changes to a branch tomorrow |
12:16.07 | tmzt | dzo: bootloader source yet? |
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12:18.24 | phh | tmzt: isn't it in androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net ? |
12:18.53 | tmzt | not sure |
12:19.13 | tmzt | can you try my tree on diam tomorrow? |
12:19.21 | tmzt | you'll have to readd board |
12:19.32 | tmzt | lets get hsusb stuff in it's own file |
12:19.44 | tmzt | not in board anymore |
12:19.59 | tmzt | and kill device specific because it breaks the resource stuff in ca |
12:20.12 | phh | sure.. which one is your tree ? :p |
12:20.18 | tmzt | it's pointless anyway, a board or separate init is tiny |
12:20.23 | tmzt | not pushed |
12:20.28 | tmzt | will be gito ~tmzt |
12:20.30 | phh | ok |
12:20.42 | tmzt | but it boots |
12:20.54 | tmzt | msmfb would work if I could figure out what's happening |
12:20.59 | tmzt | it does on your tree |
12:21.13 | tmzt | wait, disable htcfb boot |
12:21.18 | tmzt | should tell me the crash |
12:21.25 | tmzt | probably the strlen stuff |
12:21.30 | tmzt | how do I fix that? |
12:21.40 | phh | [ 5.554443] Unhandled fault: external abort on linefetch (0x806) at 0x00000000 |
12:21.43 | phh | i'm fed up of this. |
12:21.59 | tmzt | of? |
12:22.02 | tmzt | sound? |
12:22.05 | phh | camera |
12:22.12 | tmzt | ah |
12:22.13 | phh | sound is leviathan|sleep 's work |
12:22.16 | tmzt | fix clk |
12:22.24 | phh | i'm trying hard. |
12:22.26 | tmzt | and gnutoo |
12:22.40 | tmzt | abrt is normal |
12:22.42 | tmzt | sort of |
12:22.49 | tmzt | might be bad ioresource |
12:23.50 | phh | I know it looks like bad ioresource, but it everything says ioresources are ok /o\ |
12:24.11 | tmzt | um |
12:24.21 | tmzt | maybe I can mail you a patch |
12:24.33 | tmzt | against leviathan-incoming |
12:24.44 | phh | you can't push it ? |
12:24.50 | tmzt | trying boot first |
12:24.54 | tmzt | not tonight |
12:25.00 | tmzt | not ip only phone |
12:25.07 | phh | ok |
12:25.10 | phh | so phhusson@free.fr |
12:25.26 | tmzt | let me put that on sd and see if I can send from here |
12:35.10 | tmzt | hmm clone lev's with -n |
12:35.53 | tmzt | git checkout -b lev-tmzt-phh origin/master |
12:36.02 | tmzt | then git apply those two in order |
12:36.50 | tmzt | fwd that mail back to me still no sent items with activesync |
12:36.53 | tmzt | annoying |
12:37.30 | tmzt | phh: thanks, you should be able to add diam again and not change anything at core |
12:37.35 | tmzt | except the old amss |
12:37.48 | tmzt | in Kconfig |
12:37.55 | phh | ok |
12:38.20 | tmzt | you'll see I split a bunch of stuff as -wince |
12:38.40 | tmzt | that is also temporary but it keeps g1 buildable after Makefile cleanup |
12:39.07 | phh | separate qdsp5 ? mmmm |
12:39.24 | tmzt | yeah, didn't mean to exactly |
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12:39.36 | tmzt | just easier than recombining smd at this point |
12:39.39 | phh | separate acpuclock ?!? |
12:40.22 | phh | afaik the acpuclock is the same for both wince and android |
12:40.32 | tmzt | quite a few changes |
12:40.36 | tmzt | so I'm not sure |
12:40.39 | phh | ok |
12:41.07 | tmzt | goal is everything works on both android/wince amss |
12:41.13 | tmzt | so ifdef won't work |
12:41.18 | tmzt | but that's not quite met |
12:41.28 | tmzt | all the changes are in one commit really |
12:41.38 | tmzt | so we can clean it up over time |
12:42.07 | tmzt | also, want to get all the wrong init names removed |
12:42.13 | tmzt | and make the rest generic |
12:42.32 | tmzt | no reason to have an init function that just calls core msm stuff |
12:42.43 | tmzt | and devices should be soc devices |
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12:43.06 | tmzt | but we have to find out why the virts are fixed on wince but not android |
12:43.11 | tmzt | we init wrong I think |
12:44.04 | phh | the kernel we had did fixed it |
12:44.08 | phh | they cleaned it up later |
12:44.18 | tmzt | where? |
12:44.31 | tmzt | I tried the new stuff, doesn't boot |
12:44.39 | tmzt | this dies in smem-find by the way |
12:44.42 | phh | don't know, but hero's kernel is still quite the same |
12:44.46 | phh | hu ? |
12:44.52 | phh | i can't see how it can die in smem_find |
12:45.01 | tmzt | well, that's the oops |
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12:45.41 | tmzt | I added alias for the old mddi naming |
12:45.49 | tmzt | I don't think that's an issue |
12:46.03 | tmzt | let's us use upstream android boards |
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12:46.41 | tmzt | hmm, maybe topa doesn't have toshiba |
12:46.44 | tmzt | do you know? |
12:47.42 | tmzt | hmm that's the only one in your tree |
12:47.43 | phh | I don't even know for my board |
12:47.44 | tmzt | must be |
12:48.04 | tmzt | with nop it shouldn't matter anyway |
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13:28.26 | tmzt | can anybody add htcfb to tinboot? |
13:28.52 | tmzt | people.openezx.org/tmzt/green7-dzo-* |
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13:33.14 | leviathan|idling | hiho |
13:33.41 | leviathan|idling | tmzt: tried the kernel thing? |
13:33.48 | tmzt | what kernel thing? |
13:33.56 | leviathan|idling | uhhm |
13:33.59 | tmzt | let phh forward you my patches |
13:34.00 | leviathan|idling | gitorious |
13:34.04 | tmzt | or I will |
13:34.05 | tmzt | yes |
13:34.11 | tmzt | it works somewhat |
13:34.12 | leviathan|idling | http://gitorious.org/htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming |
13:34.13 | tmzt | on rhod |
13:34.23 | tmzt | busy tonight |
13:34.44 | tmzt | phh: can you? |
13:34.46 | leviathan|idling | I've always modified the usb gadget driver that building it as module is possible again |
13:35.02 | tmzt | smem-find is dying but I can't find why |
13:35.03 | leviathan|idling | s/always/also/r |
13:35.10 | tmzt | given up on that tonight |
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13:49.42 | leviathan|idling | SHR seems to have still some bugs |
13:49.46 | leviathan|idling | but its alpha |
13:49.48 | leviathan|idling | so... |
13:50.41 | leviathan|idling | I was wondering if its only on dream |
13:50.50 | leviathan|idling | but they are also there on freerunner |
13:51.10 | leviathan|idling | but it looks already nice |
13:51.12 | leviathan|idling | ^^ |
13:51.19 | leviathan|idling | if wifi also works on dream |
13:51.21 | leviathan|idling | and sound |
13:51.26 | GNUtoo | hi leviathan|idling |
13:51.35 | leviathan|idling | hi GNUtoo |
13:51.57 | GNUtoo | should we talk to mickey to have some publicity and/or at what point are you with pulseaudio? |
13:52.06 | leviathan|idling | uhhm |
13:52.19 | leviathan|idling | tmzt: told me that pulseaudio doesnt seem such a good idea |
13:52.34 | leviathan|idling | because its in userpace and takes a hudge amount of cpu |
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13:52.46 | GNUtoo | yes but if it works |
13:52.57 | leviathan|idling | so I thougt, perhaps I could write something like an oss-mixer |
13:53.10 | leviathan|idling | /dev/dsp /dev/dsp_mp3 and /dev/dsp_wav |
13:53.13 | GNUtoo | or you could try to make an alsa plugin? |
13:53.21 | leviathan|idling | uhhm |
13:53.27 | leviathan|idling | yes |
13:53.30 | GNUtoo | ok |
13:53.37 | MatBee_ | Would anyone be able to guide me where to go once a kernel has been made for my device? |
13:53.46 | leviathan|idling | the idea would be to have just a dsp-device which writes it over rpc to qdsp |
13:53.55 | MatBee_ | it goes through the loading process, but just loops endlessly |
13:54.00 | tmzt | no, alsa plugin is useful only for programs using the userspace lib |
13:54.05 | leviathan|idling | MatBee_: what device? |
13:54.15 | MatBee_ | Treo Pro, Treo 850 |
13:54.20 | leviathan|idling | uhhm |
13:54.23 | tmzt | MatBee_: no kernel to.night |
13:54.29 | tmzt | ah wait |
13:54.32 | tmzt | not the heroc |
13:54.39 | MatBee_ | uses 7501a |
13:54.47 | tmzt | what do you want it to do? |
13:54.58 | MatBee_ | I'm trying to get the beginning stages of Android, atleast |
13:55.17 | leviathan|idling | tmzt: what do you think about a simple dsp-driver? |
13:55.27 | leviathan|idling | which just writes inputs to qdsp5? |
13:55.47 | MatBee_ | Right atm, it just goes through the boot process. I've just not found information for further development. |
13:58.35 | tmzt | maybe |
13:58.53 | tmzt | how is that different/better than the android one? |
13:59.14 | leviathan|idling | tmzt: uhhm, then any app can write to dsp |
13:59.17 | leviathan|idling | and can make sound |
13:59.19 | leviathan|idling | :) |
13:59.29 | leviathan|idling | just a primitive OSS interface |
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14:00.50 | tmzt | ah |
14:00.53 | tmzt | that dsp |
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14:00.58 | leviathan|idling | yeah :) |
14:01.00 | tmzt | still think cuse in that case |
14:01.06 | tmzt | as non cuse will go away |
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14:01.26 | leviathan|idling | one thing is clear |
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14:01.50 | leviathan|idling | somehow the alsa thing shows the crapidity of the qdsp5-driver |
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14:01.51 | leviathan|idling | :) |
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14:02.23 | tmzt | we need to better understand it |
14:02.29 | leviathan|idling | tmzt: yes |
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14:02.34 | tmzt | it has to be synchronization primatives |
14:02.38 | tmzt | of some kind |
14:02.42 | MatBee_ | Is it possible to log the boot sequence output? |
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14:02.50 | tmzt | of? |
14:02.55 | MatBee_ | the initial loading of linux |
14:02.56 | leviathan|idling | MatBee_: over debug serial |
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14:02.59 | tmzt | hmm, new serial driver for usb |
14:03.01 | leviathan|idling | hF with solding |
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14:03.02 | leviathan|idling | := |
14:03.06 | tmzt | or use ramconsole |
14:03.09 | leviathan|idling | ok |
14:03.13 | leviathan|idling | works too |
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14:03.39 | MatBee_ | Any information for the serial driver? |
14:03.41 | leviathan|idling | can someone kill kam187's autorelogin |
14:03.42 | leviathan|idling | ? |
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14:04.27 | leviathan|idling | good |
14:04.42 | leviathan|idling | these messages were ennoying |
14:05.01 | leviathan|idling | now |
14:05.27 | leviathan|idling | tmzt: seems that they do not check back the buffer size |
14:05.44 | leviathan|idling | means: mplayer makes an ioctl and gets wrong buffer-infos |
14:06.07 | tmzt | check where? |
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14:06.35 | leviathan|idling | mplayer makes an ioctl on the device |
14:06.44 | leviathan|idling | but the ioctl ID seems wrong... |
14:07.02 | tmzt | how can it be? |
14:07.03 | kam187_ | sorry guys, nickserv hates me |
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14:07.11 | tmzt | have you looked at qsd? |
14:07.23 | MatBee_ | then leave your name off kam187:P |
14:07.33 | tmzt | or the new stuff from qualcomm they must know |
14:07.44 | kam187_ | yeah i'll leave it as kam187_ for now |
14:07.51 | leviathan|idling | :) |
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14:11.14 | leviathan|idling | tmzt: I dont know whats the best way to do it |
14:11.22 | leviathan|idling | because alsa is overbloat |
14:11.43 | leviathan|idling | somehow crap |
14:11.51 | leviathan|idling | for pulseaudio the same |
14:12.21 | leviathan|idling | it would be nice to have the qdsp5 driver making the dsp-interface it self |
14:12.26 | leviathan|idling | ... thats an idea |
14:12.39 | tmzt | parts of it |
14:12.49 | tmzt | ah, so no wrapper |
14:12.58 | tmzt | so just use alsa without the qdsp wrapper |
14:13.09 | tmzt | let it set up the module image and go away |
14:14.09 | tmzt | maybe you could use mailbox interface directly |
14:16.14 | leviathan|idling | mhmm |
14:16.36 | leviathan|idling | just use the qdsp-algorithms to create an indipendent driver |
14:16.48 | leviathan|idling | which makes qdsp5-driver with rpc useless |
14:17.11 | leviathan|idling | shouldnt be such a problem |
14:17.34 | leviathan|idling | Ill just trace the rpc-end-functions |
14:18.10 | leviathan|idling | and will pack them into a file in my alsa-drivers-folder |
14:18.18 | leviathan|idling | the problem is: there are a lot of android drivers too, I'll have to badly modify |
14:19.00 | leviathan|idling | alone it isnt possible |
14:19.08 | tmzt | what's the rpc for? |
14:20.20 | leviathan|idling | they are using it as middleware |
14:20.23 | leviathan|idling | in kernelspace |
14:20.32 | leviathan|idling | to abstract processes and so on |
14:20.39 | leviathan|idling | its the replacement for alsa |
14:20.40 | leviathan|idling | ... |
14:20.44 | leviathan|idling | so for using alsa |
14:20.46 | tmzt | yes |
14:20.49 | leviathan|idling | we first need to remove rpc |
14:20.55 | tmzt | but why in audio specifically? |
14:21.03 | leviathan|idling | uhhm |
14:21.14 | leviathan|idling | dunno, dont wanna know |
14:21.20 | leviathan|idling | just remove it :) |
14:21.36 | leviathan|idling | I wanna have alsa not rpc |
14:21.44 | tmzt | probably needed for some things |
14:21.51 | tmzt | but hopefully not each frame |
14:22.19 | leviathan|idling | ohh, I'll just make the rpc stuff vanish |
14:22.34 | leviathan|idling | and I'll import the whole qdsp5-base-driver into the alsa driver |
14:22.40 | leviathan|idling | so that it gets indipendent |
14:22.56 | leviathan|idling | I will also call it qdsp5 |
14:23.07 | tmzt | I mean setup the modules |
14:23.11 | tmzt | use a run flag |
14:23.14 | tmzt | or workqueue |
14:23.16 | leviathan|idling | hmm |
14:23.29 | tmzt | shuffle the dat from alsa right to qdsp range |
14:23.56 | tmzt | when the module image needs to change (like for camera) change it |
14:24.05 | tmzt | but ootherwise leave qdsp out of it |
14:24.26 | leviathan|idling | qdsp is the hardware |
14:24.30 | leviathan|idling | the unit for sound |
14:24.43 | leviathan|idling | so I think it makes sense to make an alsa driver which accesses this unit |
14:24.52 | leviathan|idling | and drivers normally access it directly |
14:24.59 | tmzt | not hardware |
14:25.03 | tmzt | but close enough |
14:25.09 | leviathan|idling | qdsp5-driver makes that, what alsa should do |
14:25.18 | tmzt | that's what I'm trying to say |
14:25.31 | leviathan|idling | so why not change the driver to an alsa driver? |
14:25.34 | tmzt | pmem, qdsp etc need to go away for us |
14:25.39 | tmzt | yes |
14:25.40 | leviathan|idling | yes |
14:25.48 | tmzt | but we need to load modules |
14:25.54 | tmzt | and switch images |
14:25.54 | leviathan|idling | yes |
14:25.59 | leviathan|idling | yes |
14:26.05 | tmzt | we just don't need to be qdsp client |
14:26.14 | tmzt | and we don't need pmem as sample cache |
14:26.19 | tmzt | takes up ram |
14:26.25 | tmzt | not dynamic |
14:26.36 | tmzt | I think io.c is broke |
14:26.52 | tmzt | need to fix allocation of those ranges not use ce ones |
14:28.08 | leviathan|idling | hmm |
14:28.31 | tmzt | yeah, probably why our bank stuff is so bad too |
14:28.35 | tmzt | and ramconsole |
14:28.35 | leviathan|idling | I didnt manage to get the vanilla kernel booting with htcdream yet |
14:28.42 | tmzt | msm is not that hard |
14:28.45 | tmzt | it can't be |
14:30.31 | leviathan|idling | hmm |
14:30.45 | leviathan|idling | the even used pmem for allocation of the screen |
14:30.56 | leviathan|idling | what should that crap be?? |
14:31.31 | tmzt | drm |
14:31.39 | tmzt | but drm driver still uses pmem |
14:31.40 | tmzt | uh |
14:31.44 | leviathan|idling | yes... |
14:32.36 | leviathan|idling | we should try waste extraction |
14:32.36 | leviathan|idling | making indipendent drivers |
14:32.36 | leviathan|idling | and cleaning them from pmem |
14:32.36 | leviathan|idling | and rpc |
14:32.36 | tmzt | yes |
14:32.36 | tmzt | and pavel upstream/next |
14:32.39 | tmzt | if the 2.6.32 works |
14:32.54 | tmzt | we will get there |
14:33.13 | tmzt | pretty happy with the diff |
14:33.21 | tmzt | wish I knew the smd issue |
14:33.34 | tmzt | guessing it might be the guessing stuff from dzo |
14:33.52 | tmzt | or maybe that I have different headers in smd smd tty snd smd qmi |
14:33.56 | tmzt | could be that |
14:36.21 | leviathan|idling | hmm |
14:36.34 | leviathan|idling | I'll try again to boot the vanilla kernel |
14:36.43 | leviathan|idling | if it works we would have a clean base |
14:36.59 | leviathan|idling | the ugly thing is, that there are already android things |
14:37.04 | leviathan|idling | which are infecting the base |
14:41.57 | leviathan|idling | tmzt: I've transplanted the files from experimental to newest vanilla |
14:42.20 | leviathan|idling | and it refuses to build because of elemental armv6 operations |
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15:12.49 | MatBee_ | for the modules-xxx.tar.gz should these be renamed to simply modules.tar.gz? |
15:13.02 | leviathan|idling | where? |
15:13.11 | MatBee_ | or extracted |
15:13.24 | leviathan|idling | where? |
15:13.32 | leviathan|idling | do you mean shr? |
15:13.46 | MatBee_ | You know, you download the zImage and the modules tar |
15:13.52 | leviathan|idling | oh |
15:14.02 | leviathan|idling | modules is just for differing userspaces |
15:14.04 | leviathan|idling | you know |
15:14.17 | leviathan|idling | you wanna debootstrap arm-debian |
15:14.22 | leviathan|idling | and then you need the modules |
15:14.34 | leviathan|idling | in default rootfs the modules should already be there |
15:14.43 | leviathan|idling | or beeing accesible by package manager |
15:15.09 | MatBee_ | ah |
15:15.42 | leviathan|idling | its just logic :) |
15:16.03 | MatBee_ | logic may only make sense if explained :P |
15:16.36 | leviathan|idling | logic needs the basic knowledge of technical facts :P |
15:16.50 | leviathan|idling | like gravity, relativity and so on |
15:16.52 | leviathan|idling | okeee |
15:16.54 | leviathan|idling | enough flame |
15:16.55 | leviathan|idling | ^^ |
15:16.58 | MatBee_ | :P |
15:17.25 | leviathan|idling | I need to gonna coach someone in math again |
15:17.32 | leviathan|idling | 18.00h |
15:17.33 | leviathan|idling | hmm |
15:17.37 | MatBee_ | Are there any guidelines to follow for porting android |
15:17.50 | leviathan|idling | my guidline is simple |
15:17.52 | leviathan|idling | avoid android |
15:17.53 | leviathan|idling | :) |
15:17.56 | Captnoord | leviathan|idling: 0x2B | ~0x2B = ? |
15:17.56 | MatBee_ | meh |
15:17.57 | Captnoord | :P |
15:18.01 | Captnoord | to be or not to be |
15:18.25 | leviathan|idling | lol |
15:18.33 | Captnoord | very old question |
15:18.36 | Captnoord | simple awnser |
15:18.37 | Captnoord | 0xFF |
15:18.41 | leviathan|idling | lol |
15:18.56 | MatBee_ | Do I have to be in Linux for my computer to communicate with my device while its booting? |
15:19.07 | MatBee_ | PC linux ;P |
15:19.30 | MatBee_ | Or is it possible to use rawconsole over windows |
15:19.33 | leviathan|idling | you need some serial interface like uart solded or usb serial |
15:19.49 | leviathan|idling | then you can use telnet console |
15:19.51 | leviathan|idling | on com0 |
15:19.57 | leviathan|idling | or usb-serial |
15:19.57 | MatBee_ | is it a simple usb -> serial driver? |
15:20.04 | leviathan|idling | should be |
15:20.07 | MatBee_ | like the arduino? |
15:20.08 | Captnoord | I think the problem is the hw |
15:20.10 | Captnoord | not the sw |
15:20.59 | Captnoord | i've changed my headset into a nice serial thingy |
15:21.06 | Captnoord | together with usb -> serial converter |
15:21.45 | MatBee_ | Oh, I need actual hardware? |
15:21.55 | Captnoord | on any htc device |
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15:22.05 | Captnoord | you need that special usb connector |
15:22.16 | Captnoord | they use.... |
15:22.25 | Captnoord | soldering it is really easy |
15:22.32 | Captnoord | I really should make a how to |
15:22.54 | MatBee_ | im definitely not soldering, lol |
15:23.07 | Captnoord | not on your device |
15:23.14 | Captnoord | not on your phone |
15:23.22 | MatBee_ | I have an arduino, with an FTDI FT232 |
15:23.27 | Captnoord | aaaahhhh |
15:23.30 | Captnoord | perfect |
15:23.31 | MatBee_ | can i just i2c my device? |
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15:23.51 | Captnoord | hmmm |
15:24.03 | Captnoord | which phone? |
15:24.08 | MatBee_ | treo pro |
15:24.14 | MatBee_ | :P |
15:24.28 | MatBee_ | or do i just take the ftdi chip off and use it? :P |
15:24.29 | Captnoord | is it htc? |
15:24.32 | MatBee_ | yeah its htc |
15:24.34 | Captnoord | k |
15:24.41 | Captnoord | the problem with those phones is |
15:24.53 | Captnoord | that there uart is done trough the usb connector |
15:25.01 | Captnoord | and one way or the other |
15:25.12 | Captnoord | you need to be able to get the rx and the tx from the uart |
15:25.49 | Captnoord | one way is to modify your headset |
15:25.50 | MatBee_ | hmm |
15:25.58 | Captnoord | as it should have the special usb connector |
15:26.02 | Captnoord | mine did |
15:26.11 | Captnoord | not that I even have time to use it |
15:26.12 | MatBee_ | if i had a headset ;) |
15:26.21 | Captnoord | i'm in the middle of a crappy simulation |
15:26.23 | Captnoord | bleh math |
15:26.23 | MatBee_ | my ex demolished it |
15:26.26 | Captnoord | perfect |
15:26.28 | MatBee_ | "PAY ATTENTION TO ME, LBLARRRGH" |
15:26.31 | Captnoord | you don't need it in tact |
15:26.36 | MatBee_ | nah its gonezo |
15:26.37 | Captnoord | you only need the usb part |
15:27.02 | Captnoord | you don't need anything from the headset except the usb connector and a small length of the wire |
15:27.15 | MatBee_ | oh? |
15:27.33 | Captnoord | http://www.instructables.com/id/Android_G1_Serial_Cable/ |
15:28.18 | leviathan|idling | ok, I'll go now |
15:28.18 | Captnoord | don't see the whole 'I bought a special usb connector todo this' part |
15:28.20 | Captnoord | k |
15:28.22 | leviathan|idling | need to coach someone |
15:28.31 | leviathan|idling | cu |
15:28.33 | Captnoord | k |
15:28.45 | MatBee_ | I can use 5v though, no? |
15:28.52 | MatBee_ | why would i use 3.3v :P |
15:29.01 | Captnoord | lol |
15:29.24 | Captnoord | because 3.3v CMOS compatible |
15:29.28 | MatBee_ | bah, i already have ftdi, easy |
15:29.34 | MatBee_ | ill just put on a resistor |
15:29.49 | MatBee_ | ;P |
15:31.31 | Captnoord | 1 thing of importance |
15:31.39 | Captnoord | us you get your headset |
15:31.44 | Captnoord | if |
15:31.47 | Captnoord | find* |
15:31.49 | Captnoord | lol |
15:31.56 | Captnoord | don't go wildly trying |
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15:32.09 | MatBee_ | oh i wont |
15:32.11 | Captnoord | there is a nice circuit diagram on the internet for it |
15:32.13 | MatBee_ | its long gone |
15:32.21 | MatBee_ | ill just use my arduino somehow |
15:32.25 | MatBee_ | its already al lthere |
15:32.34 | MatBee_ | i have a 5v -> 3.3v converter anyway |
15:33.06 | MatBee_ | it'll make for a nice arduino controlled phone anyway :P |
15:35.48 | MatBee_ | Product Code: HTC-B-V-1_1 |
15:35.50 | MatBee_ | OUT OF STOCK |
15:35.52 | MatBee_ | heh |
15:36.46 | MatBee_ | I could paypal someone funds if they send me one they dont use :) |
15:39.26 | MatBee_ | nm, i can use my uC |
15:41.10 | Captnoord | thanks himself for sticking with his initial idea....... |
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15:42.03 | MatBee_ | this is easy peezy |
15:42.36 | Captnoord | mine stuff isn't |
15:44.10 | MatBee_ | power to uC +5v, RX/TX from uC to hacked up usb cable ;) |
15:45.09 | MatBee_ | I can even automate responses |
15:46.04 | Captnoord | nice nice nice |
15:46.22 | MatBee_ | now to imagine how i'm going to do it while at work |
15:46.42 | Captnoord | looooool |
15:52.39 | MatBee_ | my htc/palm device uses microusb |
15:52.43 | MatBee_ | :P |
15:53.21 | MatBee_ | lame |
15:54.05 | MatBee_ | so maybe all i have to worry about is +5v and data+/- |
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16:06.05 | WigglerAway | MatBee_: Rather than buying a extUSB connector I used a htc 3.5mm headphone adapter bought for peanuts of ebay and wired onto the pins |
16:06.34 | MatBee_ | I should be covered with my microcontroller anyway |
16:06.45 | MatBee_ | i just need microusb pinouts |
16:07.09 | MatBee_ | from what I think, its just +V, Data +/-, N/C, and GND |
16:08.23 | MatBee_ | You can send the serial data over headphone? |
16:08.30 | MatBee_ | of course! |
16:08.39 | MatBee_ | that just makes sense |
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16:09.22 | MatBee_ | I have the headset that came with my phone, that should be enough, right? |
16:10.04 | WigglerAway | hang on, bit confused, does your device have the htc extusb connector or just a microusb? |
16:10.09 | MxxCon | leviathan|away i might be completely wrong here, but would it be useful to use audio parts from rockbox project? |
16:10.24 | MatBee_ | it just has microusb |
16:10.40 | MatBee_ | and the 3.5mm |
16:11.13 | MatBee_ | Phone was made by HTC though. |
16:12.11 | WigglerAway | oh right, what captnoord and I were describing was a extusb, the phones have a switch inside to toggle function of the pins |
16:12.27 | JDShadowline | hmm anyone here good at android rom making?, and good morning mr WigglerAway |
16:12.35 | MatBee_ | yeah I noticed the extusb was for miniusb |
16:12.41 | MatBee_ | and microusb is stripped even more |
16:13.13 | WigglerAway | Can't be sure if your phone has a uart coming out of the connector |
16:13.24 | MatBee_ | lets hope |
16:15.52 | WigglerAway | Good morning Shadowline |
16:16.01 | MatBee_ | Actually, my device may only be able to be a slave |
16:17.19 | WigglerAway | Right, I need to go to town before the shops close - christmas is bearing down on me |
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16:20.28 | MatBee_ | oh youre right |
16:20.30 | MatBee_ | its almost christmas |
16:20.36 | MatBee_ | i should start shopping |
16:27.35 | phh | MatBee_: you need msmfb working before getting android |
16:28.34 | MatBee_ | yeah |
16:30.04 | phh | and well |
16:30.10 | phh | that's the only thing you need before getting android. |
16:30.42 | MatBee_ | i have a feeling i can't do serial over my phone anyway |
16:30.51 | phh | tmzt: do you know how to "noop" mddi ? |
16:31.57 | phh | even if we don't know the product id |
16:32.32 | phh | I can see that blackstone does that, but with known product id |
16:32.43 | MatBee_ | he said that I need to be able to communicate over serial |
16:33.15 | MatBee_ | however i dont believe microusb for my device does serial over USB Data +/- |
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16:33.50 | phh | hu |
16:33.58 | phh | you're sure it's microusb not ext-usb ? |
16:34.02 | phh | how pins are there ? :p |
16:34.07 | MatBee_ | yep 5 |
16:34.16 | MatBee_ | its microusb on my phone :P |
16:34.37 | phh | and you don't need serial for what's left to do anyway |
16:34.43 | MatBee_ | oh |
16:35.05 | phh | serial is for you've almost nothing working |
16:35.12 | phh | +when |
16:35.15 | MatBee_ | yeah |
16:35.22 | MatBee_ | ok |
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16:57.19 | MxxCon | hmm EGOvoruhk's assemble of android 2.01 seem to be working better |
16:57.32 | MxxCon | i can make nad recieve calls |
16:58.02 | MxxCon | no data |
16:58.45 | phh | what are you talking about ? |
16:59.14 | MxxCon | android on sprint touch pro2 |
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17:00.12 | phh | i should try eclair on my diamond one day. |
17:04.10 | GregLem | phh : hi, quick question for you |
17:04.16 | phh | yup ? |
17:04.41 | GregLem | phh: do you use a special defconfig for your diamond or do you set your config from scratch? |
17:04.56 | phh | htc_msm_android_defconfig |
17:05.32 | GregLem | phh : ok, i tried the htcdiamond_android_defconfig but it does not seem so good |
17:05.50 | phh | mmm i think it should work, but i didn't try it for ages |
17:06.10 | GregLem | phh : it's ok, I'll just stick to htc_msm_android_defconfig |
17:06.53 | GregLem | phh: Also, who is responsible for generating the initr.gz when booting angstrom |
17:07.12 | phh | you ? :p |
17:07.20 | phh | he angstrom I have is in an initramfs by himself |
17:08.11 | GregLem | so you need to build a initrd.gz on you own. Does not seem straightforward to me |
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17:08.50 | phh | android build's initrd.gz are easy to understand, and you'll need little (or no) modification to use it |
17:09.30 | GregLem | phh : ok so just tuning a prebuilt android initrd.droid.cpio.gz should do the trick |
17:09.38 | phh | yes |
17:09.43 | GregLem | phh: tx |
17:09.44 | phh | it's just a busybox + an init script |
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17:28.01 | YellowGTO|Nix | Anymore luck with the TP2? |
17:33.15 | MatBee_ | brrr |
17:34.14 | phh | MatBee_: ? |
17:35.53 | phh | haha |
17:35.56 | phh | i love nexus splashscreen |
17:36.01 | MatBee_ | cold |
17:36.14 | phh | MatBee_: <-20°C ? |
17:36.14 | MatBee_ | some guy just ranted for about 20 minutes while me and a coworker were eating lunch |
17:36.27 | MatBee_ | yeah, its that cold outside, but its a little chilly in here |
17:36.58 | phh | lol, bootanimation eats 20% of the cpu -_- |
17:37.16 | MatBee_ | thats awesome |
17:37.27 | MatBee_ | i want to see a badass splash screen |
17:37.45 | phh | E/keystore( 258): chdir: /data/misc/keystore: Permission denied |
17:37.53 | MatBee_ | as long as its only 20% for about 5 seconds |
17:37.54 | phh | I can see that the old bugs I fixed ages ago are still here. great. |
17:38.04 | MatBee_ | someone resurrected them :P |
17:38.10 | phh | it has been running for more than one minute |
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17:41.18 | WM-Sef | @tmzt Hi :) |
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17:53.21 | MatBee_ | phh, do you work on this fulltime? :P |
17:53.40 | phh | not at all |
17:53.57 | phh | else I had have android for weeks :p |
17:54.04 | MatBee_ | lol |
17:54.22 | MatBee_ | BUH SOME BASTARDS AT THE OFFICE GOT SWISS CHALET |
17:54.25 | MatBee_ | AND DIDNT ASK ME |
17:54.29 | MatBee_ | braaaaaaaaah |
17:54.35 | phh | "got" ? |
17:54.40 | MatBee_ | ordered |
17:55.12 | MatBee_ | i just ate a blande turkey sandwich |
17:58.15 | MxxCon | shh. i'm sitting here drooling |
17:58.21 | phh | GregLem: any advance in camera or gps ? |
17:58.27 | MatBee_ | lol |
17:58.41 | MatBee_ | i have a tuna wrap here if u want it |
17:58.46 | phh | (i'm asking, just in case) |
17:59.14 | phh | and i want cr2 back :( |
18:00.14 | MxxCon | tuna is for hippies. i want black caviar |
18:00.41 | MatBee_ | ahaha |
18:00.46 | MatBee_ | disgusting |
18:00.53 | MatBee_ | you disgust me MxxCon |
18:00.55 | MatBee_ | :D |
18:04.35 | MxxCon | thank you, i do my best |
18:05.11 | MxxCon | and while eating black caviar, i'll go buy the necky |
18:05.21 | MxxCon | "A Smaller, Stupider Snuggie For Your Neck" |
18:06.28 | MatBee_ | LOL |
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18:09.18 | Captnoord | phh me to |
18:09.18 | Captnoord | I wonder what he's up to |
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19:25.36 | phh | baaaahhhhhh |
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19:30.38 | Battousai | abi incompatible? |
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19:32.00 | phh | Battousai: no, i rebuilt it |
19:32.08 | Battousai | ok |
19:33.29 | phh | hum, the one getting killed is the kernel, not ARM9 |
19:33.54 | phh | argh |
19:34.03 | phh | right they broke sound. |
19:36.34 | phh | sounds cool. |
19:37.32 | phh | hum no, it's not somewhere in their code |
19:37.32 | phh | wth. |
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19:37.48 | ward- | is there currently any device supported that can run android, but also debian? |
19:38.17 | phh | depends which features you need |
19:38.34 | phh | and if you don't worry having to package things yourself |
19:38.35 | ward- | debian and its giant repositories |
19:38.43 | MatBee_ | lol |
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19:39.02 | ward- | lol let me explain |
19:39.04 | MatBee_ | i wouldnt mind debian if i could just make my own WM and all my phone features worked |
19:39.13 | ward- | i used to have a pocket loox 720 running debian trough haret |
19:40.27 | ward- | and i'm looking for something to replace it with |
19:40.33 | ward- | since its screen is broken |
19:40.48 | ward- | so i was thinking why not get a phone this time, preferably with gps aswell |
19:41.19 | MatBee_ | debian would be pretty hot |
19:41.22 | ward- | everything worked on it, wifi, bluetooth, framebuffer, usb host, ... |
19:41.35 | ward- | touchscreen |
19:41.50 | ward- | well you dont need to make your own WM :p |
19:41.54 | ward- | you can use matchbox |
19:42.03 | ward- | i used fluxbox aswell |
19:42.08 | ward- | and even gnome just to try |
19:42.17 | MatBee_ | nah i wouldnt want something that looks like a desktop |
19:42.26 | ward- | oddasionally its nice |
19:42.29 | ward- | occasionally |
19:42.35 | ward- | its nice you can choose |
19:42.41 | ward- | howver matchbox is not like a desktop |
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19:42.55 | ward- | matchbox is made for small screens and makes most applications pretty usable |
19:43.35 | MatBee_ | yeah if i could atleast have sms/data/talk working, id definite try debian |
19:43.49 | ward- | well the pda didnt have any gsm stuff so |
19:43.55 | MatBee_ | yeah |
19:44.03 | ward- | it was mainly to mess under linux |
19:44.13 | ward- | if i really needed to be productive most of the time i used windows mobile |
19:44.19 | MatBee_ | yeah |
19:44.24 | ward- | but still the messing with it was SO nice |
19:44.24 | MatBee_ | hense haret |
19:44.30 | ward- | runing kismet on it for instance |
19:44.37 | ward- | really fantastic |
19:44.56 | ward- | so no debian yet for any HTC devices? |
19:45.05 | MatBee_ | phh was saying something about ubuntu i think? |
19:45.06 | ward- | what do you guys have working atm? |
19:45.16 | ward- | ubuntu would obvousely be good too :) |
19:45.17 | phh | ward-: any android device can do that |
19:45.25 | ward- | phh, yes with chroot |
19:45.28 | phh | not only |
19:45.41 | phh | you can also boot it |
19:45.50 | ward- | the website for that project was down :( |
19:45.58 | ward- | do you know something about it? |
19:46.07 | ward- | i assumed it was primitive and they quit developing it |
19:46.11 | ward- | since the website was down |
19:46.42 | ward- | and in #android they told me android drivers wont work on any linux etc etc |
19:46.47 | ward- | its android specific they said iirc |
19:46.53 | ward- | was a little earlyer today... |
19:46.59 | ward- | also the people there are REALLY OVER THE TOP arrogant |
19:47.27 | ward- | they said it was a STUPID QUESTION to ask if i could boot any other distros on a android device |
19:47.29 | phh | afaik, what won't work is gps |
19:47.35 | phh | and well, i think that's it |
19:47.42 | phh | still you'll need to do some work |
19:47.44 | ward- | i woouldnt mind that |
19:47.52 | MatBee_ | lol, stupid question to think a linux based distro would work the same as another linux based distro? |
19:47.53 | phh | don't know for usb host |
19:48.11 | phh | MatBee_: GNU/Linux vs GNU/Linux yes |
19:48.14 | phh | android vs GNU/Linux no |
19:48.16 | ward- | MatBee_, an op even said that lol |
19:48.24 | MatBee_ | yeah |
19:48.26 | ward- | strange deranged people there |
19:48.41 | MatBee_ | but it's still linux based, just doesnt follow gnu guidelines |
19:48.51 | ward- | then android == evil |
19:48.54 | phh | MatBee_: and some proprietary drivers. |
19:48.59 | MatBee_ | yeah |
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19:49.23 | itchy8me | *nods |
19:49.30 | ward- | the best option to run linux seems to be the N900 or allmost any windows mobile phone |
19:49.31 | ward- | lol |
19:49.31 | phh | ward-: sound is tricky to get working (eh leviathan|away ! :p ), but apart from that, it should be right |
19:49.54 | ward- | phh, any links about that or someting? |
19:50.01 | phh | #htc-linux ? :p |
19:50.20 | ward- | lol ah you mean it like that |
19:50.24 | ward- | sorry i misunderstood you |
19:50.32 | ward- | so this is for all devices what you say? |
19:50.38 | phh | well no |
19:50.41 | ward- | aha |
19:50.45 | phh | msm7xxx based |
19:50.49 | phh | I don't know for others |
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19:50.55 | ward- | which ones are that if you happen to know |
19:50.57 | phh | oh and 3D chip won't work |
19:51.14 | phh | ward-: leviathan|away and GNUtoo are heavily working on dream afaik |
19:51.36 | phh | msm72xx even |
19:51.44 | ward- | and what currently works from the msm72xx devices? |
19:51.45 | phh | 75xx is another story |
19:51.55 | ward- | im not familiar with the chipsets yet |
19:52.01 | phh | depends on the devices |
19:52.03 | ward- | ive been researching the intire day lol |
19:52.09 | ward- | yesterday evening aswell |
19:52.17 | phh | but wifi, bluetooth, usb slave, framebuffer, touchscreen, buttons, trackball, phone, data connection should work |
19:53.13 | ward- | phh, but now can any of these run debian? |
19:53.23 | phh | just flash it |
19:53.39 | ward- | with haret... |
19:53.40 | phh | or on sdcard with fastbook trick |
19:53.52 | ward- | i mean just with haret |
19:53.58 | ward- | i dont mind booting troigh windoze mobile |
19:54.12 | phh | windows mobile on android devices ? |
19:54.16 | MatBee_ | lol |
19:54.21 | MatBee_ | phh got lost :P |
19:54.24 | phh | yes. |
19:54.26 | ward- | lol ah ok now you are talking about android devices :) |
19:54.35 | phh | well it's quite the same for wince devices |
19:54.53 | ward- | aha, is there something similar like haret for android then? |
19:55.01 | ward- | lol i allready got more info about android here then in #android |
19:55.20 | MatBee_ | If I could boot debian on my treo, i'd be a happy camper |
19:55.26 | phh | ward-: fastboot |
19:55.31 | phh | MatBee_: oh you can |
19:55.39 | ward- | phh, so fastboot is something similar? |
19:55.42 | ward- | like haret |
19:55.47 | ward- | man thats SO cool |
19:55.51 | phh | ward-: if you're familiar with linux on desktop, it's kexec |
19:56.11 | ward- | im familiar with linux on a desktop but i dont think i ever heard of kexec |
19:56.20 | ward- | not familiar enouigh i'm guessing :p |
19:56.37 | MatBee_ | so its like the windows rom update utility? |
19:56.49 | phh | MatBee_: not at all |
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19:56.53 | phh | it's like haret |
19:56.54 | ward- | if its anythling like haret then no |
19:57.06 | MatBee_ | i just google'd fastboot and it come up with flashing and such |
19:57.07 | ward- | it will reboot your device, and boot what you choose |
19:57.09 | phh | + it can read the zImage from the computer |
19:57.32 | phh | it doesn't reboot the device, but that's another story |
19:57.44 | MatBee_ | ho hum |
19:57.44 | ward- | ah ok, i read it reboots |
19:57.49 | ward- | and it allways seems to reboot |
19:57.52 | ward- | at least on my pda |
19:57.53 | phh | MatBee_: you want ubuntu ? :p |
19:58.04 | MatBee_ | yep |
19:58.22 | MatBee_ | or just debian with gnome:P |
19:58.35 | phh | http://dl.free.fr/pZz3EKnxs |
19:58.35 | MatBee_ | it'd go well with my 16gb internal storage |
19:58.38 | phh | download that |
19:58.43 | ward- | i wouldnt recommend gnome lol |
19:59.11 | MatBee_ | 127mb, its a big one ;P |
19:59.22 | GNUtoo | ward-, hi what did you want to know? |
20:00.12 | phh | MatBee_: it's ubuntu :p |
20:00.24 | MatBee_ | that's alot of stripping |
20:00.30 | MatBee_ | whats the window manager? |
20:00.52 | phh | gnome |
20:00.55 | phh | or lxde ? |
20:00.56 | MatBee_ | ah |
20:00.57 | phh | don't rember :D |
20:01.03 | MatBee_ | easy enough to change |
20:01.11 | phh | yeah... no... |
20:01.14 | MatBee_ | LOL |
20:01.57 | MatBee_ | Is there an issue with modules/files on linux as well? |
20:03.02 | phh | uh ? |
20:03.07 | MatBee_ | i suppose not |
20:03.17 | phh | which issue are you talking about ? |
20:03.26 | phh | you mean the need of having modules-xxxx.tar.gz file ? |
20:03.34 | MatBee_ | no |
20:03.52 | MatBee_ | windows mobile and android both have to balance system modules and files, right? |
20:04.11 | MatBee_ | what is kept in memory, and what is stored |
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20:04.22 | phh | I still don't get it. |
20:04.29 | MatBee_ | nm then i guess theres no issue |
20:05.07 | MatBee_ | 35k, your france storage is blazingly fast |
20:05.13 | phh | pcchhh |
20:05.28 | MatBee_ | i dont think i could keep up these speeds here at work |
20:05.31 | MatBee_ | ;P |
20:05.50 | phh | I have 1.5MB/s download and 100kB/s upload |
20:05.57 | phh | but this cache server is blazingly fast |
20:06.03 | MatBee_ | on free.fr? |
20:06.11 | phh | anyway, once you got and extracted it |
20:06.15 | phh | rename ubuntuarm.img to ubuntu.img |
20:06.21 | MatBee_ | ok |
20:06.22 | phh | change the startup.txt and zImage |
20:06.30 | phh | ubuntu.img has to be in the root of the sdcard |
20:06.34 | MatBee_ | ok |
20:06.56 | phh | btw, the extracted file is 900MB |
20:07.00 | MatBee_ | oh shi |
20:07.03 | phh | you might want to make some room on your card :p |
20:07.08 | MatBee_ | yeah ive got plenty space |
20:07.16 | phh | not like me then |
20:07.23 | MatBee_ | im only using 8gb for music |
20:07.32 | MatBee_ | sooo i guess thats 8gb for linux and android eh? :P |
20:07.38 | phh | groumpf |
20:07.43 | phh | Why didn't I get a raphael. |
20:07.51 | ward- | GNUtoo, sorry i was out for a smoke |
20:08.19 | ward- | GNUtoo, if there's any HTC that can both boot android and debian (or ubuntu) |
20:08.40 | MatBee_ | ubuntu is debian, so it should be able to boot np |
20:09.35 | ward- | please read again |
20:09.36 | phh | anyone has some spare htc raphael around btw ? |
20:09.55 | phh | (i'm asking just in case.) |
20:10.04 | MatBee_ | isn't the vogue the closest in booting winmo + android? |
20:10.05 | ward- | phh, they seem to get sold second hand really cheap |
20:10.14 | phh | not here |
20:10.19 | phh | the lowest i can find is >100€ |
20:10.23 | GNUtoo | ward-, we booted SHR but you should talk with leviathan|away |
20:10.29 | ward- | here 125 for one without any scratches etc |
20:10.34 | ward- | and 50 for one thats heavily used |
20:10.40 | phh | ward-: i don't call that "really cheap" :p |
20:10.45 | MatBee_ | lol |
20:10.48 | GNUtoo | ward-, because he had nearly everything working but alsa(they had a custom sound system) |
20:10.49 | ward- | GNUtoo, whats SHR please |
20:10.58 | phh | ward-: an openmoko distribution |
20:11.01 | MatBee_ | i paid $50 for mine............. on my 3yr contract lol |
20:11.05 | ward- | ah yes nice |
20:11.13 | phh | MatBee_: 3 years ? huhu |
20:11.19 | MatBee_ | 2 more years left too |
20:11.24 | phh | ouch |
20:11.25 | ward- | GNUtoo, did SHR actually support calling etc aswell? |
20:11.31 | MatBee_ | thankfully i have a replacement plan |
20:11.32 | phh | MatBee_: it already hurts a lot I guess ? :p |
20:11.36 | GNUtoo | ward-, yes there were some issues but yes |
20:11.36 | MatBee_ | i can destroy it and i get a new one |
20:11.40 | phh | bah |
20:11.44 | MatBee_ | hahaha |
20:11.51 | MatBee_ | ive replaced it already actually |
20:11.51 | phh | I have no subscription |
20:11.53 | phh | that's easier. |
20:11.57 | ward- | GNUtoo, anyone tried getting maemo to work? lol |
20:12.01 | phh | (and used to be cheaper.) |
20:12.01 | ward- | that would be epic |
20:12.09 | phh | ward-: ~= Mer no ? |
20:12.18 | ali1234 | people have got mer to work, yes |
20:12.25 | GNUtoo | ward-, did you read that: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo |
20:12.29 | ward- | yeah maybe i dunno much about mer yet |
20:12.29 | ali1234 | for a certain value of "work" |
20:12.45 | phh | I got Mer "working" on my phone too |
20:12.49 | ward- | GNUtoo, no someone gave me another link earlyer i didnt see this one |
20:12.51 | ward- | yt |
20:12.53 | ward- | yet |
20:12.54 | phh | even with wifi ! :p |
20:12.59 | GNUtoo | ok |
20:13.11 | ward- | yeah my loox 720 had wifi and bluetooth and everything too :) |
20:13.11 | ali1234 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer too |
20:13.16 | ward- | i guess im pretty spoiled lol |
20:13.56 | GregLem | phh: I can't make a homebuilt zImage to run on my Diamond, can you help me? |
20:14.07 | phh | GregLem: sure, what's the problem ? |
20:14.31 | GregLem | phh: it just crashes right away when I launch it with Haret. |
20:14.45 | phh | GregLem: with the htc_msm_android_defconfig ? |
20:14.52 | GregLem | phh: yes |
20:14.56 | phh | and what do you mean with crashes ? |
20:15.09 | GregLem | phh: the phone, vibrates, then hangs |
20:15.30 | phh | a,d you changed nothing to the config ? |
20:15.39 | GregLem | phh: what git branch should I use? |
20:15.46 | phh | htc-msm-2.6.27 |
20:15.58 | phh | if you want to work on camera it's htc-msm-2.6.27-camera |
20:16.05 | phh | but this one kills the kernel really soon |
20:16.15 | GregLem | phh: I actually built my crashing kernel from the camera branch |
20:16.24 | phh | anyway it should still works as is |
20:16.26 | GregLem | phh: so I gues that's the problem |
20:16.30 | phh | unless you activated mt9t013 in kernel config |
20:16.34 | GNUtoo | ward-, sorry I forgetten: gps,3d,camera don't work |
20:16.53 | phh | GNUtoo: I think camera should work, there are some v4l drivers available |
20:16.53 | GNUtoo | ward-, but I don't consider them as esential |
20:17.01 | phh | GregLem: well first try htc-msm-2.6.27 |
20:17.12 | ward- | GNUtoo, i do but i dont mind rebooting when i need my GPS etc |
20:17.15 | GNUtoo | phh, with the kernel I had it didn't ...there were some ugly things in dmesg but I bet pavel got it working |
20:17.18 | GregLem | phh: alright, I'll start iver from there |
20:17.23 | ward- | i would use mer as a secondary OS |
20:17.27 | MatBee_ | gps and camera are pretty high priority tho :P |
20:17.45 | ward- | camera would be cool |
20:17.47 | MatBee_ | else we just have touchscreen dumbphones lol |
20:17.49 | ward- | for timelapses etc |
20:18.06 | phh | MatBee_: it already does a lot more than windows mobile imho |
20:18.35 | MatBee_ | yeah, sometimes i really feel like snapping a quick photo though, although gps is no big deal breaker |
20:19.12 | phh | well, the only reason I want camera is for hightened (or something like that:p) reality |
20:19.14 | MatBee_ | sadly my phone may never recieve camera support, unless it's the same as one of the others |
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20:19.34 | MatBee_ | phh, you dont get pics of your ladies? :P |
20:19.40 | phh | my ladies ? |
20:19.43 | phh | which one ? :p |
20:19.46 | MatBee_ | the girls you take home |
20:19.52 | MatBee_ | all of them |
20:19.52 | phh | yeah... there are none. |
20:20.00 | WM-Sef | wehere is tmzt? |
20:20.00 | MatBee_ | hmm |
20:20.08 | MatBee_ | come to canada, they love geeky french guys |
20:20.28 | WM-Sef | I want a girl too :p |
20:20.32 | phh | MatBee_: first, i have finish my studies :p |
20:20.33 | ward- | haha |
20:20.34 | MatBee_ | girls absolutely adore geeks here |
20:20.44 | ward- | MatBee_, wow where do you live lol |
20:20.58 | ward- | girls avoid geeks over here |
20:20.59 | MatBee_ | toronto area |
20:21.09 | phh | MatBee_: I hope they are contagious :p |
20:21.11 | MatBee_ | especially girls around art schools |
20:21.25 | ward- | artists are openminded |
20:21.27 | ward- | some at least |
20:21.30 | MatBee_ | yeah |
20:21.46 | ward- | it also goes well togethe |
20:21.48 | MatBee_ | although i met my lady at work, and shes an anthropologist so shes a geek as well |
20:21.51 | MatBee_ | geeks <3 |
20:21.57 | ward- | artistic stuff and geeky stuff like linux etc |
20:22.11 | phh | anthropologist ? you mean like the woman in Bones TV show ? :p |
20:22.15 | MatBee_ | yep |
20:22.18 | MatBee_ | haha |
20:23.04 | ward- | some people consider code art too |
20:23.08 | WM-Sef | what's the channel for MerPhone? |
20:23.10 | MatBee_ | they're drunk |
20:23.21 | MatBee_ | Mer? like Sea? |
20:23.21 | ward- | but a lot of artists are fashion victems |
20:23.23 | phh | ward-: and my father's code is abstract art. |
20:23.28 | ward- | phh, lol |
20:23.28 | phh | noone understand it. |
20:23.31 | MatBee_ | hahaha |
20:23.50 | MatBee_ | public abstract void phh() { |
20:24.37 | ward- | fertilize(wife); |
20:24.43 | ward- | waitNineMonths(); |
20:24.46 | ward- | } |
20:24.53 | MatBee_ | abort |
20:24.55 | MatBee_ | abort |
20:24.57 | MatBee_ | ; |
20:24.58 | ward- | lol |
20:25.09 | MatBee_ | goto bailout; |
20:25.25 | MatBee_ | im out of scope :( |
20:25.58 | WM-Sef | tmzt: I'm working on a port of Mer (based on Maemo 5) to the Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2 which I'm currently calling Merphone. |
20:26.15 | WM-Sef | do any of you guys know? |
20:27.13 | GNUtoo | MatBee_, abort only work in anormal conditions? |
20:28.20 | MatBee_ | 30 minutes left of ubuntu download, and 30 minutes left of work |
20:28.24 | MatBee_ | who'll win? |
20:28.30 | MatBee_ | bus arrives in 39 minutes |
20:28.44 | MatBee_ | so i have < 9 minutes to copy to my phone lol |
20:30.11 | phh | WM-Sef: I think tmzt knows |
20:30.26 | phh | MatBee_: 800MB to copy in <9minutes ? |
20:30.40 | phh | that makes 100MB/minute, 2MB/s |
20:30.46 | phh | will be tough :p |
20:30.46 | MatBee_ | over activesync |
20:30.49 | MatBee_ | hahaha |
20:30.50 | phh | haha |
20:30.52 | phh | you won't make it :p |
20:30.57 | MatBee_ | no ill copy over the archive |
20:31.01 | ward- | MatBee_, if you got wifi then you cna copy while wealking to the bus :p |
20:31.06 | MatBee_ | hah |
20:31.11 | MatBee_ | I do have data |
20:31.14 | MatBee_ | oO |
20:31.15 | ward- | untill you run out of range lol |
20:31.21 | MatBee_ | i can run an ftp server on my phone |
20:31.25 | MatBee_ | transfer from work |
20:31.26 | ward- | lol |
20:31.34 | ward- | i had a webserver on it for a while |
20:31.35 | phh | sounds a lot of fun |
20:31.36 | ward- | on my old pda |
20:32.02 | ward- | i had so much fun with that thing lol |
20:32.31 | ward- | also had a usb host, very nice |
20:32.35 | MatBee_ | nice |
20:32.41 | MatBee_ | external keyboard :P |
20:32.50 | ward- | i did this unemplyment course half a year back or so |
20:33.26 | ward- | it also included some cisco stuff |
20:33.26 | MatBee_ | unemployment course eh? |
20:33.26 | MatBee_ | put that on your resume? :P |
20:33.27 | ward- | so while the others had to use desktops to program the cisco routers i used my pda lol |
20:36.29 | greebear | does anyone here have a clue about denotational semantics with haskell? |
20:36.33 | greebear | ^^ |
20:36.34 | greebear | ^ |
20:36.54 | greebear | btw: my girls a geek too |
20:37.21 | MatBee_ | yep |
20:37.24 | MatBee_ | geeks rule |
20:38.03 | ward- | geek girls are rare |
20:38.48 | MatBee_ | jsut goto a university |
20:38.52 | MatBee_ | or art school |
20:38.57 | greebear | ^^ |
20:40.29 | ward- | lol im currently enrolled at a university |
20:40.35 | ward- | and i regret it a lot |
20:40.43 | ward- | schools just dont work |
20:40.50 | ward- | at least not over here in this retarded country |
20:40.54 | MatBee_ | degrees do |
20:40.57 | MatBee_ | which country? |
20:41.00 | ward- | yes thats the problem |
20:41.03 | ward- | belgium |
20:41.06 | MatBee_ | ah |
20:41.25 | ward- | for all i care ill go collect the garbage |
20:41.29 | greebear | goto germany, not to far away |
20:41.30 | ward- | i dont even WANT a degree anymore |
20:41.34 | MatBee_ | loool |
20:41.39 | ward- | i dont speak german |
20:42.02 | greebear | most of the stuff is in english (depending on what you study, but I guess its not tiermedizin) |
20:42.12 | ward- | MatBee_, really shocking crap happened to me in the passed |
20:42.18 | ward- | at belgium schools |
20:42.32 | ward- | greebear, i didnt know that |
20:42.57 | ward- | anyway im too old for it too |
20:43.03 | ward- | i just wnat a job, any job |
20:43.11 | ward- | ill keep computers for my fee timee |
20:43.14 | ward- | free |
20:43.21 | ward- | cant even find a job in a damn PC shop so... |
20:43.39 | ward- | building my own computers since i was 12, but who cares |
20:45.23 | ward- | even setup a website with mysql replication (over ssh reverse portforwarding), file synchronization of some folders with rsync, and a failover system for the dyndns domain |
20:45.30 | ward- | lol |
20:46.10 | ward- | if the first one goes down or just the webserver, the other one will notice and update dyndns to link the domain to its own ip |
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20:46.54 | greebear | problem is (as far as i know form germany): you have to have a piece of paper saying "qualified as a this and that". without this paper its pretty damn hard convincing anyone |
20:47.12 | ward- | greebear, yeah but we're talking PC shop here lol |
20:47.18 | ward- | why in godsname would they want academics :s |
20:47.43 | ward- | and not that i want to be arrogant but there are a lot of incapable academics graduating |
20:47.59 | greebear | thats true |
20:48.01 | MatBee_ | D's get Degrees |
20:48.04 | MatBee_ | :) |
20:48.08 | ward- | for example the federal police here had a undercover website, for undercover police to login to |
20:48.14 | ward- | and THEY FORGOT TO REMOVE THE GUESTBUTTON |
20:48.28 | ward- | some newspaper found it... writes about it |
20:48.28 | MatBee_ | weird |
20:48.47 | ward- | some police spokesman: they hacked our website and we will sue themn! |
20:49.03 | greebear | hehe |
20:49.07 | ward- | i mean... |
20:49.13 | ward- | is THAT why they need academics lol? |
20:49.30 | ward- | because at the police they only hire academics (for those jobs) |
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20:49.57 | ward- | i mean, i can remove the login alltogether to make it even simpler for outsiders to get in, if thats what they want |
20:49.57 | ward- | lol |
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20:52.02 | greebear | i know now who the people are who respond to the mails saying "buy a degree now" |
20:52.16 | ward- | lol |
20:52.16 | MatBee_ | hahaha |
20:52.44 | ward- | the other day oin class @ linux shell scripting |
20:52.48 | greebear | some thins can be so simple its hard to manage for some people |
20:52.58 | ward- | "sir, what is the difference between sh and bash?" |
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20:53.08 | ward- | "hmmm... good question... i got no idea" |
20:53.14 | ward- | i kid you not... |
20:53.33 | MatBee_ | ahaha |
20:53.50 | ward- | thats a damn phd student |
20:53.53 | ward- | :S |
20:54.05 | MatBee_ | university teaches theory |
20:54.09 | MatBee_ | so its okay to be dumb |
20:54.20 | ward- | well i dont want to be part of that crap |
20:54.35 | MatBee_ | ever think of becoming an international student? |
20:54.50 | ward- | impossible |
20:54.52 | MatBee_ | its expensive but you get a great experience |
20:54.58 | greebear | international like what? studying in germany and fuck off to australia? |
20:55.07 | greebear | XD |
20:55.11 | MatBee_ | 2 minutes left |
20:55.19 | ward- | i just dont want to study anymore lol |
20:55.25 | ward- | im getting old im from 1983... |
20:55.32 | ward- | too old to study anyways |
20:55.35 | MatBee_ | im 1984 |
20:55.39 | greebear | hm... crap |
20:55.40 | MatBee_ | i still have a year left |
20:55.44 | greebear | 87 |
20:55.46 | ward- | was unemployed for a few years... |
20:55.53 | ward- | now because i cant find anything i started studying again |
20:56.01 | MatBee_ | im taking systems analysis and design |
20:56.11 | MatBee_ | and i may take another year or 2 for a degree |
20:56.11 | greebear | computer science |
20:56.15 | ward- | you dont evne want to know what happened when i initially started studyging |
20:56.39 | ward- | you dont even have those specific choices here |
20:56.44 | ward- | its just "informatics" |
20:57.00 | ward- | and some specialisations you can choose at the last 2 years |
20:57.44 | ward- | MatBee_, you also started pretty late then i'm guessing? |
20:57.51 | MatBee_ | 2 years ago |
20:57.53 | MatBee_ | yeah |
20:58.03 | MatBee_ | no help from parents, so ive been on my own |
20:58.33 | ward- | finanacially it was no problem luckily |
20:58.35 | MatBee_ | home time boys |
20:58.37 | ward- | for me |
20:58.38 | MatBee_ | ttyl |
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20:59.45 | greebear | @ward-: bachelor? |
21:00.12 | ward- | greebear, if i would stop after 3 years it would be a bachelor, if i would do 5 years it would be a master |
21:00.40 | ward- | i hope i find a job lol, then i'm outta there |
21:00.53 | ward- | if not i'll keep going and try to make the best of it |
21:01.15 | ward- | x-mas vacation now so i got some time for sollicitations :) |
21:01.17 | greebear | well you can still decide after 3 years to do another 2 years for master |
21:01.50 | ward- | nah, i wouldnt do that |
21:02.09 | ward- | i intend to find work asap and if i can find any, then i quit |
21:02.15 | ward- | (with studying) |
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21:17.58 | googleman | hi all |
21:18.08 | ward- | hello |
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21:19.00 | googleman | i got new xperia x1 |
21:19.09 | leviathan | ward-: hi |
21:19.10 | googleman | and i want to try linux on it |
21:19.23 | leviathan | you had questions concerning dream+SHR? |
21:19.27 | googleman | from where i can begin ? |
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21:20.45 | leviathan | ward-: I'm working on a rootfs with working wifi, sound and gui |
21:20.50 | leviathan | but sound is very tricky |
21:21.18 | leviathan | I decided to clean up the kernel from unneeded android hacking and doing the drivers new |
21:21.21 | ward- | leviathan, ah nice :) |
21:21.41 | leviathan | means, I'll use basefunctions of qdsp5-driver from the android people |
21:21.56 | leviathan | and will take it as base for an indipendent alsa-driver |
21:22.26 | ward- | leviathan, yeah someone said earlyer that osund was pretty hard |
21:22.39 | leviathan | yes |
21:22.41 | leviathan | it is |
21:22.55 | leviathan | http://gitorious.org/htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming |
21:23.12 | leviathan | is a already booting android experimental |
21:23.15 | leviathan | with wifi running |
21:23.36 | leviathan | but I would prefer to have a android free vanilla kernel booting |
21:23.53 | leviathan | because I totally dislike android |
21:24.27 | leviathan | wrong license, wrong architecture.... they didnt follow the guidlines |
21:24.36 | leviathan | they've just hacked something ugly |
21:24.43 | leviathan | which works... yes... but how? |
21:24.51 | leviathan | I'll clean it up |
21:30.11 | MxxCon | any chance of getting webos running? :) |
21:30.35 | phh | <PROTECTED> |
21:30.39 | phh | do we have all sources ? |
21:30.50 | ward- | leviathan, wow sounds bad |
21:31.14 | ward- | yeah @ #android they told me all the drivers and such were pretty much android only |
21:31.19 | ward- | and then i was like: huh :s |
21:31.29 | ward- | they also said my question was stupid |
21:31.42 | ward- | and the question was if i could run another linuxbased OS on a android device |
21:32.49 | MxxCon | what else is there to run? |
21:33.12 | ward- | debian! |
21:33.12 | ward- | lol |
21:33.14 | phh | mer, shr, ubuntu mid, at least |
21:33.24 | ward- | yewah lots of stuff |
21:33.56 | phh | not even talking about desktop-sized stuff which might also works |
21:33.56 | ward- | its jsut fun to mess with it, and occasionally it can be very usefull to have desktop progs handy |
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21:35.10 | phh | (i forgot many phone-oriented things, i don't know each ones) |
21:35.51 | ward- | cellwriter is a nice application btw :) |
21:35.58 | phh | bof |
21:36.02 | ward- | in case you dunno it yet |
21:36.09 | ward- | its rather unknown |
21:36.10 | phh | a virtual keyboard is way faster |
21:36.22 | ward- | yes, but its nice to have both options |
21:36.37 | leviathan | so |
21:36.42 | leviathan | I'm cleaning up the drivers |
21:36.49 | leviathan | that most of the things will work |
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21:37.06 | r4v3nsw0rd | hmm, would this be a good place to ask how to resolve an issue with my HTC Wizard (8125) that I accidentally wiped the Operating System off of during an attempt to install Android OS? |
21:37.11 | leviathan | the only way to get other distros running is making it free from android |
21:37.24 | leviathan | uhhm |
21:37.29 | leviathan | not from me |
21:38.32 | MxxCon | leviathan i don't know if you saw my post earlier today. could you guys use some of the sound stuff from rockbox project? |
21:38.50 | phh | MxxCon: uh ? |
21:38.58 | leviathan | MxxCon: hu? |
21:39.09 | leviathan | would be nice |
21:39.14 | leviathan | what kind of code? |
21:39.47 | ward- | if there's a rockbox supported device with the same sound hardware... |
21:39.56 | phh | ward-: no way |
21:39.57 | ward- | if there's not its probably not usefull |
21:40.10 | phh | I can't see any audio-dedicated device running msm :p |
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21:40.17 | MxxCon | i don't know. i could be totally off base here. but it seems like rockbox would have sound drivers and dsp code pretty polished? |
21:40.20 | ward- | i dunno, im not into these photo-thingys lol |
21:40.27 | ward- | waste of electricity |
21:40.38 | phh | ward-: uh ? |
21:40.43 | phh | what's the link with photo ? |
21:40.58 | ward- | MxxCon, there nee3ds to be a rockbox-supported device with similar or the same sound hardware, as far as i know |
21:41.27 | ward- | phh, it also runs on some of these photo-thingies |
21:41.32 | phh | ok |
21:41.50 | ward- | rockbox-supported device is the key here :p |
21:41.57 | MxxCon | but that's what i'm saying..maybe there is one. i don't know hardware specifics of htc devices or everything that rockbox can run on |
21:41.58 | ward- | i should have been more clear |
21:42.20 | ward- | MxxCon, yes i understand |
21:42.58 | ward- | whats the sound hardware? |
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21:43.40 | phh | MSM72xx |
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21:47.32 | ward- | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DeviceChart |
21:47.33 | ward- | not in here so |
21:47.34 | ward- | no luck i suppose |
21:47.43 | phh | it's not a matter of luck ... |
21:47.57 | phh | MSM socs are for full-blown phones, or maybe MIDs |
21:48.08 | phh | not for the devices that rockbox is likely to support |
21:48.11 | ward- | cant hurt to check |
21:51.25 | phh | working data connection on android 2.0 \o/ |
21:52.53 | herpez | phh, data is already working on android 2.0? or still working on it? |
21:53.04 | phh | is working |
21:53.19 | phh | herpez: which board do you have ? |
21:53.43 | herpez | i have blac100 but i was asking in general and not board specific |
21:53.54 | phh | it depends on the boards :p |
21:54.14 | phh | so, next step is phone calls |
21:55.10 | herpez | and you are working in which board? |
21:55.33 | phh | diam100 |
21:55.52 | phh | should work also on blac/raph, maybe even on rhod who knows |
21:56.36 | herpez | sure. |
21:56.44 | phh | now i have to remember the name of my SIP client. |
21:56.51 | herpez | and about the sound, any news on those boards? |
21:57.15 | phh | one things at a time :p |
21:57.25 | phh | i'll try to make usable 2.0 for christmas :p |
21:57.58 | phh | is looking at his organisation for the next three days |
21:58.03 | phh | will be kind of short. |
21:58.09 | herpez | sure, i think that the 3 most imp things are sound, data and at last backlight off when sleep |
21:58.52 | phh | can't help for backlight off :/ |
22:00.09 | herpez | np, even in 1.6 was never working so i guess it will take longer than sound and data because those worked on 1.6. lets see... |
22:00.20 | herpez | and wait for cristhmas to have a release (maybe) |
22:00.49 | ward- | leviathan, is there any URL for your project? |
22:01.06 | leviathan | uhmm |
22:01.08 | leviathan | not yet |
22:01.15 | leviathan | I'm still fixing bootup issues |
22:01.25 | leviathan | the framebuffer needs to get initialised |
22:01.41 | leviathan | but its not so easy, because I first need to trace pmem |
22:01.50 | leviathan | and do it without androids pmem |
22:02.12 | ward- | ah ok, i was thinking maybe you got a page or something with updates, i could bookmark |
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22:03.01 | ward- | the framebuffer on my old pocket loox 720 was working but when we enabled wifi aswell the screen was messing up a bit lol |
22:03.21 | ward- | the mess seemed to quit when the touchscreen was being touched haha |
22:03.24 | ward- | really strange |
22:08.56 | leviathan | yes |
22:09.04 | leviathan | anyway... it will take some time |
22:09.08 | leviathan | but I'm working on it |
22:09.27 | leviathan | as soon as I got screen working, I'll upload to vanilla-upstream-tracking |
22:09.32 | leviathan | on gitorious |
22:09.45 | ward- | where's that? |
22:09.51 | leviathan | uhhhm |
22:09.53 | ward- | (i'm new) |
22:10.13 | leviathan | http://gitorious.org/replicant/vanilla-tracking-gnulinux |
22:10.22 | leviathan | but for now its empty |
22:10.35 | leviathan | as you can read |
22:10.39 | ward- | yeah ok :) |
22:10.44 | ward- | i dont have a phone yet anyway |
22:10.49 | ward- | just researching on what to buy |
22:10.58 | leviathan | android driver writers are not really working together with GNU people |
22:11.06 | leviathan | so I do not write code for android |
22:11.12 | leviathan | if it doesnt work for them |
22:11.14 | leviathan | bad luck |
22:11.22 | ward- | yeah, i dont really like the whole idea either |
22:11.25 | ward- | it would be nice to use it though |
22:11.43 | ward- | but in the first place i would want to use any linux distro i want |
22:11.52 | ward- | and i like debian most |
22:12.24 | ward- | so i dont really care all that much about running android, but it would be nice |
22:12.39 | ward- | i dont really see why i should choose android if there are no benifits to it using linux |
22:12.53 | ward- | then i would rather choose a windoze mobile phone that can boot linux with haret |
22:13.01 | googleman | how i do start linux on xperia x1 ? |
22:13.29 | ward- | so is there any accurate list with whats supported by what hardware? |
22:13.43 | leviathan | googleman: uhhm |
22:13.47 | leviathan | wait |
22:14.01 | googleman | ? |
22:14.20 | phh | they didn't break sensors, cool |
22:14.22 | googleman | i'm newbie |
22:14.26 | ward- | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=456595 |
22:14.33 | ward- | googleman, google gave me that link :p |
22:14.57 | phh | ward-: you could have used bing, that would have been funier |
22:14.58 | ward- | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4206618 |
22:15.00 | ward- | that one actually |
22:15.28 | ward- | lol i didnt even know bing |
22:15.36 | leviathan | lol |
22:15.43 | leviathan | wanted to do the same |
22:15.48 | leviathan | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541002 |
22:16.57 | ward- | yes i was guessing that :p |
22:17.51 | ward- | is there any accurate list with whats supported by what hardware? |
22:20.08 | phh | kernel source? :p |
22:22.00 | leviathan | lol |
22:22.10 | leviathan | ok, on htcdream you can surv |
22:22.15 | leviathan | make phonecalls |
22:22.28 | leviathan | and play games like sudoku |
22:22.34 | leviathan | played one |
22:22.44 | leviathan | but sound doesnt work yet properly |
22:22.46 | herpez | is the hardw similar between Xperia X1 and Blackstone? |
22:22.53 | leviathan | dunno |
22:23.14 | leviathan | I havent either a blackstone nor a xperia |
22:23.25 | herpez | ok , thks |
22:24.17 | zycho | is there no terminal app in android 2.0.1 builds? |
22:25.03 | herpez | zycho, put better terminal in the apps folder |
22:25.08 | ward- | lol the kernel source is also the source for information about on what hardware it runs? |
22:25.15 | phh | zycho: there is |
22:25.17 | phh | in dev tools iirc |
22:25.18 | ward- | the word source is redefined :p |
22:27.38 | zycho | cant find :< |
22:32.00 | phh | bah search better :p |
22:32.45 | leviathan | find arch/ | less |
22:32.46 | leviathan | :P |
22:33.25 | phh | :-) |
22:34.26 | ward- | if there's no list: can someone please tell me the best supported devices at the moment? |
22:34.35 | ward- | liek the best 3 or something |
22:34.46 | phh | my desktop ? :p |
22:35.03 | ward- | so tell me the contents of your desktop :p |
22:37.59 | leviathan | ward-: http://pastebin.com/m2d02b7cc |
22:38.01 | leviathan | :) |
22:38.28 | leviathan | but not very mobile... you know? |
22:38.42 | ward- | lol i thought you meant you had the best supported devices on your desktop... |
22:38.52 | phh | lol no |
22:38.52 | ward- | your physical desktop |
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22:39.05 | phh | ward-: you might go for omap devices |
22:39.22 | al1997111 | hi |
22:39.22 | ward- | iieeuw AMD leviathan :p |
22:39.33 | leviathan | yes |
22:39.35 | leviathan | 4 cores |
22:39.35 | ward- | phh, omap? |
22:39.36 | leviathan | :) |
22:39.44 | phh | ward-: omap. |
22:39.45 | phh | google :p |
22:39.50 | ward- | leviathan, my laptop has a Q9000 :D |
22:39.55 | leviathan | aha |
22:40.01 | ward- | also 4 cores |
22:40.04 | ward- | pretty happy with it |
22:40.04 | phh | cool, when trying to make a phone call, the system crashes in msm_rpc_call_reply |
22:40.12 | phh | one of the few functions i just don't get |
22:40.48 | leviathan | thats the reason, why I'm making a new one |
22:41.07 | phh | haha, i don't think it will be easier afterwards :p |
22:41.10 | leviathan | which makes direct methods from qdsp5-driver from alsa |
22:41.25 | leviathan | I'll just take qdsp5 |
22:41.28 | leviathan | and remove rpc |
22:41.37 | ward- | ill keep omap in mind |
22:41.38 | leviathan | and make them callable by alsa |
22:41.44 | leviathan | ok |
22:41.50 | ward- | now to find out what htc devices use omap... lol |
22:41.59 | ward- | why is there no list of supported hardware lol |
22:42.06 | ward- | would make stuff much easyer |
22:45.09 | phh | oh i think there is no such htc device |
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22:47.05 | ward- | no htc device supported by htc-linux? |
22:47.16 | leviathan | uhhm |
22:47.20 | ward- | lol |
22:47.24 | leviathan | htcdream |
22:47.25 | leviathan | :) |
22:47.26 | phh | ward-: that's not what i'm saying /o\ |
22:47.41 | ward- | phh, i was assuming that yes lol |
22:47.48 | ward- | i need to use lol less |
22:47.54 | leviathan | yes |
22:48.03 | phh | and htc diamond, raphael, black,vogue,kaiser,nike, <big breah>, rhod, topaz, kvosky |
22:48.14 | phh | just the support is relative :p |
22:48.21 | leviathan | :) |
22:48.25 | ward- | yes thats why i asked for the best supported phones :p |
22:48.28 | leviathan | we are working on it |
22:48.28 | ward- | like the top 3 or something |
22:48.37 | leviathan | uhhhm |
22:48.55 | leviathan | you can use htcdream as handheld |
22:48.55 | leviathan | but it wont make sound yet |
22:49.24 | ward- | and no phonecalls i presume |
22:49.25 | ward- | since no sound |
22:49.53 | thedicemaster | phh, you missed the HTC victor |
22:50.02 | phh | thedicemaster: hu ? what's that ? |
22:50.26 | thedicemaster | the diamond with the different design and flipped buttons you so conveniently added a switch option for. |
22:50.39 | phh | ok |
22:50.43 | thedicemaster | it actually has it's own HTC codename. |
22:50.54 | phh | if we do every sub-board, it will take some time :p |
22:51.38 | ward- | sounds good though :), everything except sound |
22:52.09 | leviathan | but be warned |
22:52.19 | leviathan | its crap to install openmoko on it |
22:52.22 | phh | it's for tough men :p |
22:52.28 | ward- | haha |
22:52.29 | leviathan | okee... its already android on it |
22:52.35 | leviathan | but we want GNU/Linux >_> |
22:52.48 | leviathan | not such crappy Apache/Linux |
22:53.02 | ward- | yes i agree |
22:53.17 | ward- | personally debian is my preferance but people should be able to choose |
22:54.38 | leviathan | yes |
22:54.49 | leviathan | I just wanna GNU/Linux on the device |
22:54.56 | leviathan | especially SHR |
22:55.02 | leviathan | other distros will run as well |
22:55.03 | ward- | SHR? |
22:55.05 | leviathan | without problems |
22:55.08 | leviathan | yes |
22:55.11 | leviathan | SHR |
22:55.16 | leviathan | aka. OpenMoko :) |
22:55.23 | leviathan | Stable Hybrid Release |
22:55.28 | phh | leviathan: btw, what does your company wants to do with SHR on dream ? |
22:56.02 | leviathan | uhhm, we want to have some influence possibilities |
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22:56.14 | ward- | but if openmoko runs anybody can use the (new) drivers to roll there own kernel and everything right? |
22:56.17 | leviathan | because there are people who are ready to buy a bigger amount of these |
22:56.26 | leviathan | if its usable |
22:56.43 | phh | leviathan: ok, why the "people" wants usable SHR on dream ? :) |
22:56.43 | leviathan | SHR on freerunner I mean |
22:56.51 | phh | ah freerunner ? |
22:57.02 | leviathan | phh: usability on dream is just because I've got a dream |
22:57.09 | phh | hum ok |
22:57.16 | MatBee | phh, want to dcc me the ubuntuarm.7z? |
22:57.20 | leviathan | and I'm pissed on because of the closed parts |
22:57.21 | leviathan | :) |
22:57.21 | ward- | the freerunner is just ugly imho |
22:57.22 | phh | MatBee: no dcc |
22:57.24 | MatBee | your .fr download spot is slow as ass |
22:57.36 | phh | lol |
22:57.38 | MatBee | i didnt make in time at work :P |
22:57.44 | phh | lol bis |
22:57.48 | MxxCon | leviathan pissed on? :/ |
22:58.01 | leviathan | closed parts like tiwlan or sound -.- |
22:58.10 | leviathan | thats pissing me on |
22:58.10 | phh | MatBee: how much data have you got ? |
22:58.14 | phh | leviathan: tiwlan isn't closed :p |
22:58.17 | phh | sound neither :D |
22:58.19 | MatBee | 500mb |
22:58.24 | leviathan | phh: yes |
22:58.32 | leviathan | but unusable for GNU |
22:58.40 | MxxCon | usually people get pissed off..not on, but to each their own |
22:58.43 | phh | leviathan: anyway for wifi wl1251 works great |
22:58.48 | leviathan | yes |
22:58.49 | phh | power management isn't awesome but it works |
22:58.58 | phh | MatBee: you mean 62MB ? |
22:58.58 | zycho | can i use 'ubuntuarm.7z' with latest zImage? |
22:58.58 | leviathan | I've also 2.6.32 with already integrated wifi |
22:58.59 | leviathan | :) |
22:59.10 | phh | zycho: sure |
22:59.24 | phh | zycho: but wait, you're trying that too ? |
22:59.47 | zycho | yes |
22:59.48 | phh | zycho: you might have to add msm_fb.fix_x=1 to cmdline too |
23:00.08 | zycho | gnome booting well :> |
23:00.21 | phh | and then you'll discover that this thing isn't usable at all :p |
23:00.30 | zycho | but touchscreen is not usable.. |
23:00.33 | phh | apt: what do you know ? |
23:00.36 | phh | apt: list |
23:00.37 | apt | one warez list being sent |
23:00.45 | phh | baah |
23:00.51 | MatBee | phh, 62mb? |
23:00.54 | phh | zycho: apt knows how to set up touchscreen, but i don't :p |
23:01.11 | MatBee | im on 5.2 of 127mb |
23:01.17 | MatBee | with 1 hour remaining |
23:01.19 | zycho | hm.. first ill try latest zImage |
23:01.22 | MatBee | at 21k/s |
23:01.34 | phh | MatBee: you only downloaded 5.2MB ?!? |
23:01.45 | MatBee | at work it finished downloading, not enough time to transfer |
23:01.51 | phh | -_-' |
23:01.53 | MatBee | haha |
23:02.02 | MatBee | 6.2mb |
23:02.04 | phh | zycho: you have some fast internet upload ? |
23:02.17 | phh | if so, please upload ubuntuarm.7z somewhere fast :D |
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23:02.27 | zycho | no sorry |
23:02.39 | phh | apt: ~xfbdev |
23:02.52 | MatBee | wake up apt |
23:02.53 | zycho | i needed 2 hour for download :< |
23:03.11 | phh | ok i'll search in my history if apt isn't helpful |
23:03.21 | zycho | thanks |
23:03.57 | phh | a 237MB sqlite database ... bah |
23:04.04 | MatBee | tiny |
23:04.06 | thedicemaster | took me like 3 minutes to download i think... |
23:04.08 | phh | ~tslib-xfbdev |
23:04.08 | apt | i heard tslib-xfbdev is TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/eventX ts_calibrate ; Xfbdev -mouse tslib,,device=/dev/input/eventX -keybd keybd,,device=/dev/input/eventX |
23:04.13 | thedicemaster | if my calculations are correct. |
23:04.41 | phh | thedicemaster: I don't think dl.free.fr is that fast from nl ips |
23:04.55 | phh | zycho: you have to guess the eventX by yourself :p |
23:05.00 | thedicemaster | went at 600-700kbps |
23:05.00 | phh | iirc it's 2 |
23:05.06 | MatBee | why are they limiting my speed from .fr? |
23:05.13 | MatBee | this is seriously bogged down |
23:05.24 | MatBee | my average is 1.8mb/s |
23:05.36 | phh | my is 1.5m*B* :p |
23:05.56 | MatBee | megabytes |
23:06.46 | phh | bah |
23:07.03 | MatBee | fine, tomorrow hwen this download finishes, ill put it up somewhere WORLD FRIENDLY |
23:07.10 | MatBee | or maybe next week |
23:07.55 | phh | lol |
23:08.05 | phh | it's unusable, i can't see the point of mirroring it |
23:08.28 | MatBee | so other people can unuse their devices |
23:09.03 | phh | lol |
23:09.16 | aavan | hi |
23:09.31 | thedicemaster | it doesn't matter if you can use it as intended or not, it can always be used to show off. |
23:10.54 | phh | thedicemaster: the touchscreen isn't even usable -_- |
23:11.06 | phh | basically you can show a nice screenshot of ubuntu and that's it :p |
23:11.18 | phh | with some luck you might start lxterminal |
23:11.21 | phh | but that's it |
23:11.39 | MatBee | nice |
23:11.53 | MatBee | you need to guide me how to load up plain ole debian |
23:12.08 | phh | you need to get an arm debian |
23:12.31 | phh | put it in a loopbacked ext2 img named "ubuntu.img" and .... that's it. |
23:13.03 | thedicemaster | it's even show-off material to get an ancient copy of windows running on a psp, so slow it takes 15-30 minutes to boot. |
23:14.19 | phh | :) |
23:14.44 | MatBee | haha |
23:15.09 | MatBee | wtf is the difference between CATS And NSLU and Thecus and GLAN |
23:15.10 | MatBee | lol |
23:15.15 | MatBee | why so many branches for arm debian |
23:15.26 | thedicemaster | wonders if somehow windows 95 could run on a diamond. |
23:15.35 | phh | thedicemaster: just runs qemu or bochs |
23:15.49 | phh | google bochs windows mobile |
23:15.53 | phh | i'm pretty sure you'll get something |
23:15.59 | thedicemaster | not planning on trying. |
23:16.23 | phh | why ? :p |
23:16.47 | thedicemaster | somehow i find the idea of ubuntu running on a WM phone way more interesting than windows 95. |
23:16.53 | MatBee | yeah |
23:17.22 | MatBee | i dont really care for 'ubuntu', id be happy with X Windows, and Debian |
23:17.38 | thedicemaster | perhaps something to do with the fact that the phone is made for windows. |
23:18.42 | thedicemaster | would a megaupload link to ubuntuarm.7z do any good? |
23:18.51 | MatBee | yeah |
23:18.58 | MatBee | still 1 hour left |
23:19.02 | MatBee | lol |
23:19.04 | thedicemaster | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U97JSYO0 |
23:19.26 | aavan | phh: have you ever worked on the init script for android on htc ? |
23:19.35 | phh | aavan: yes |
23:19.58 | phh | if you see some ugly thing about wifi or modules in some rootfs.img, it's me :p |
23:20.10 | aavan | mmmh, I've stumbled on some code "Charging fix", can you tell me what that is exactly ? |
23:20.25 | zycho | can i calibrate screen manually when i cut msmts_calib= from startup? |
23:20.33 | phh | aavan: the echo 2 > ......... ? |
23:20.36 | MatBee | lol 8 mins remaining |
23:20.42 | leviathan | beats thedicemaster if he always would be able to boot windows95 on a mobile phone and also does it |
23:20.44 | aavan | yep |
23:20.45 | phh | zycho: it's not the problem for ubuntu |
23:20.54 | leviathan | :) |
23:21.07 | phh | aavan: that's another ugly thing, we just tell the ARM9 to always charge the phone |
23:21.23 | phh | but correctly. |
23:21.24 | leviathan | anyway |
23:21.29 | leviathan | I'll sleep now |
23:21.34 | phh | meaning that it will stop charging when battery is full |
23:21.37 | leviathan | I seem to have some cold or so |
23:21.45 | leviathan | gn8 |
23:21.45 | phh | so basically, there is no real point not to set it to 2 |
23:21.57 | phh | even if wince set it to 0 when no charging device is connected |
23:22.24 | aavan | ok ok I think I'll let that in place for the time being |
23:22.56 | MatBee | www.matbee.com/francefrancefrance.png |
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23:23.28 | phh | MatBee: pcccchhh |
23:23.31 | MatBee | hahaha |
23:23.50 | aavan | matbee: are you downloading from a "free.fr" server by any chance ? |
23:23.54 | MatBee | yeah |
23:24.00 | MatBee | the bottom one |
23:24.28 | aavan | pretty annoying that they slow down all the non .fr people |
23:24.33 | MatBee | yeah |
23:24.57 | MatBee | its a waste of electricity |
23:25.04 | MatBee | im sure its costing more to filter than it is to leave it open |
23:25.09 | phh | aavan: not only the non .fr people :p |
23:25.12 | aavan | hehehe |
23:25.22 | phh | the non free.fr people |
23:25.25 | phh | MatBee: and it's buggy |
23:25.30 | phh | sometimes it filters me too. |
23:25.35 | aavan | looool |
23:25.37 | phh | but that's all I have to mirror |
23:25.54 | phh | well no some people gave me ftp access |
23:26.05 | aavan | ahlala, reminds me of these ads, cretins.fr !!! ;) |
23:26.28 | phh | lol |
23:27.22 | thedicemaster | their filter doesn't work that well i guess. |
23:27.39 | phh | don't know if it's actual filter |
23:28.10 | aavan | it's just a bunch of crap hacked together, that's what they call a filter :) |
23:28.12 | thedicemaster | if there's an actual filter it should've prevented me from downloading at 700kBps |
23:28.20 | thedicemaster | right? |
23:28.24 | MatBee | its probably port |
23:28.32 | phh | thedicemaster: maybe. |
23:28.33 | phh | who knows :p |
23:28.37 | MatBee | .se does port throttling |
23:28.46 | MatBee | any non port-80 gets throttled out of the country |
23:29.08 | zycho | if there is no msmts_calib= in startup.txt, touchscreen doesnt work also |
23:29.16 | zycho | cant calibrate it manually |
23:30.00 | phh | zycho: you have to start Xfbdev with the command I gave earlier |
23:30.00 | phh | (not easy to do, I know.) |
23:30.03 | zycho | how does this work exactly? |
23:30.15 | zycho | i am new with ubuntu and htc :> |
23:30.15 | phh | zycho: using an appropriate touchscreen Xorg driver |
23:30.22 | phh | instead of the default one which is totally wrong |
23:30.48 | zycho | do i have to start a shell in ubuntu and run this command? |
23:31.13 | phh | no, you have to modify init script |
23:31.16 | phh | don't know where :p |
23:31.30 | zycho | uh :< |
23:32.06 | phh | i'll try to make a "usable" version for christmas, if i finish android 2.0 today. |
23:32.10 | phh | will be really tough :D |
23:32.17 | zycho | hehe |
23:32.20 | zycho | very nice |
23:33.44 | aavan | phh did hero kernel code provide you a lot of new ideas ? |
23:34.02 | phh | aavan: yes |
23:34.04 | phh | but none works. |
23:34.23 | aavan | mmmh weird |
23:35.22 | aavan | I tried to figure out things in that, but I was rapidly overwhelmed by the code |
23:35.48 | phh | what I did was: |
23:35.50 | phh | diff -urX .gitignore . ~/AndroidDiamond/kernel_hero |
23:35.55 | phh | the result is only 30klines |
23:36.03 | phh | (I can give you the result)= |
23:36.22 | phh | aavan: oh well, usb worked |
23:36.32 | phh | http://husson.hd.free.fr/hero-msm4.diff |
23:36.40 | phh | differences are quite understandable |
23:38.24 | phh | and then there is the sound thing |
23:38.28 | phh | I just don't get what they did to it |
23:39.53 | aavan | you told there was also some clues for the internal clocks dealind with the camera and whatnot, IIRC, did it lead to something ? |
23:40.02 | phh | uh ? |
23:40.05 | phh | not in hero source code |
23:40.27 | phh | oh well, there is the leak wince source in it |
23:40.37 | phh | but still no advance for camera |
23:40.52 | phh | well, now camera clocks are setted up correctly at least |
23:41.07 | phh | but the kernel panic is still at the exact same code line |
23:41.49 | aavan | at least now you're sure the clocks are OK, that's true |
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23:42.25 | phh | no i'm not :p |
23:42.30 | MatBee | crazy |
23:42.33 | aavan | lol |
23:42.34 | MatBee | how long have i been gone |
23:42.45 | phh | MatBee: 14minutes |
23:42.48 | MatBee | lol |
23:42.53 | MatBee | i thought everyone just stopped talking |
23:43.02 | aavan | hehehe |
23:43.47 | phh | ARGH |
23:43.49 | phh | i hate them |
23:44.14 | aavan | oh come on, we didn't do anything phh, I promise |
23:44.25 | phh | they moved some stuff from open to closed things |
23:44.41 | phh | updating qdsp won't be easy. |
23:45.13 | aavan | qdsp ? |
23:45.38 | MatBee | i want a device with usb3 |
23:45.40 | MatBee | plsthx |
23:46.59 | phh | aavan: the "thing" that does everything linked to audio |
23:47.05 | phh | and sometimes video decoding |
23:47.23 | aavan | as long as you will download on free.fr, usb1 is more than sufficient, MatBee ;) |
23:47.26 | phh | oh btw i'll have to try to setup clock to see if our phones can do h264 hardware decoding :D |
23:47.35 | phh | aavan: pccchhh |
23:47.38 | aavan | lol |
23:47.50 | MatBee | im going to go and say no it cant ;P |
23:48.57 | aavan | phh you meant adsp ? |
23:49.08 | MatBee | too bad laptops dont come with microsd readers |
23:49.09 | phh | aavan: yeah... don't know :p |
23:49.14 | phh | its driver is named qdsp |
23:49.19 | aavan | sorry I'm sometimes a bit lost in all those acronyms |
23:50.40 | phh | i'm too. |
23:50.52 | phh | I think there is qdsp and adsp which are differents |
23:50.55 | phh | but i can't say for sure |
23:51.07 | aavan | I'd love to help you phh, but my C is quite far behind me now |
23:52.12 | MatBee | who votes for a .net os? |
23:52.17 | phh | lol |
23:52.36 | aavan | lol |
23:53.00 | aavan | nah lets do it in Flash |
23:53.03 | aavan | :) |
23:53.05 | MatBee | done |
23:53.07 | phh | well this java android thing works not too badly, so .Net might work :p |
23:53.08 | MatBee | java? |
23:53.18 | MatBee | hmm |
23:53.24 | MatBee | i hate java |
23:53.27 | MatBee | hate hate hate |
23:53.39 | phh | same here. |
23:53.59 | MatBee | if .net ran faster on winmo.... |
23:54.08 | aavan | well android is actually in dalvik, which is kind of portable java ;) |
23:55.52 | aavan | but well java is not that bad |
23:56.03 | MatBee | yes it is |
23:56.13 | MatBee | ive taken 2 years of java in school |
23:56.18 | MatBee | and .net blows it away |
23:57.22 | aavan | I don't know, I still have a big trust problem in .net |
23:59.08 | aavan | but it's more because of the Microsoft politics than really the framework itself |
23:59.37 | phh | MatBee: so you're having fun with ubuntu ? |