IRC log for #htc-linux on 20091222

`00:03.33`	`*** join/#htc-linux catfishk_ (n=catfishk@c-76-105-138-218.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
`00:03.45`	`leviathan`	`fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly`
`00:03.47`	`leviathan`	`hmmm`
`00:04.55`	`leviathan`	`ohh`
`00:04.57`	`leviathan`	`now it works`
`00:05.00`	`leviathan`	`wonderfull`
`00:05.13`	`tmzt`	`add your ssh key`
`00:05.21`	`tmzt`	`don't use a username, just git@`
`00:05.21`	`leviathan`	`its uploading`
`00:05.26`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`00:05.32`	`leviathan`	`its uploading`
`00:05.38`	`tmzt`	`can you give me the pull when it's done?`
`00:05.38`	`leviathan`	`just a litle tired`
`00:05.41`	`leviathan`	`thats all`
`00:05.47`	`tmzt`	`I'll branch as lev-tmzt locally`
`00:05.48`	`leviathan`	`ok`
`00:06.06`	`leviathan`	`ok`
`00:06.42`	`tmzt`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:06.42`	`tmzt`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:06.42`	`tmzt`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:06.43`	`tmzt`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:06.48`	`tmzt`	`ah, didn't know that`
`00:07.16`	`leviathan`	`hmm`
`00:07.30`	`leviathan`	`lets try newest shr on test-freerunner ^^`
`00:07.38`	`tmzt`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:07.43`	`tmzt`	`or this`
`00:07.46`	`phh`	`leviathan: oh it finally built ? :)`
`00:07.54`	`tmzt`	`so when we start pulling from vanilla that will be very useful`
`00:08.42`	`tmzt`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:09.28`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`00:09.31`	`leviathan`	`ok`
`00:09.41`	`tmzt`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:10.00`	`tmzt`	`trying to see how I can do git checkout -b lev-tmzt with the clone git:// url`
`00:12.58`	`leviathan`	`ok`
`00:13.08`	`leviathan`	`the htcdream SHR is still building`
`00:13.16`	`leviathan`	`I'll try it tomorrow`
`00:13.26`	`leviathan`	`but they are on the same level`
`00:13.32`	`leviathan`	`same versions and so on`
`00:13.37`	`leviathan`	`if it works for freerunner`
`00:13.44`	`leviathan`	`it should also work for dream`
`00:13.50`	`leviathan`	`if not, its platformspecific`
`00:14.14`	`leviathan`	`likes references`
`00:15.00`	`leviathan`	`tmzt: well, its on 11%`
`00:15.04`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`00:15.13`	`leviathan`	`12...`
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`00:16.11`	`leviathan`	`I would like to have dfu-util also working for dream`
`00:16.15`	`leviathan`	`and also same mtd partitions`
`00:17.04`	`leviathan`	`I dont need systemdata, userdata and cache`
`00:17.23`	`leviathan`	`why theres not simple solution for getting simply one big rootfs-partition?`
`00:17.28`	`leviathan`	`or is it?`
`00:17.39`	`leviathan`	`means simple solution`
`00:18.27`	`phh`	`I think you just have to change the atag`
`00:18.46`	`leviathan`	`where is this atag?`
`00:18.54`	`leviathan`	`or do you mean jtag?`
`00:18.55`	`tmzt`	`no we don't need those partions`
`00:19.09`	`tmzt`	`but you will have to flash the spl and replace it with something (like uboot maybe)`
`00:19.12`	`tmzt`	`to get that`
`00:19.18`	`tmzt`	`and not break the radio, hard to do`
`00:19.20`	`leviathan`	`hmm`
`00:19.35`	`leviathan`	`hmm`
`00:19.57`	`leviathan`	`that would it be, an uboot for htc-devices`
`00:19.59`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`00:20.16`	`leviathan`	`then I could use dfu-util to flash`
`00:21.06`	`leviathan`	`theres an android app which allows rooting without goldcard`
`00:21.25`	`leviathan`	`perhaps we could even use that to make an uboot-installer-app`
`00:21.28`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`00:22.25`	`tmzt`	`how?`
`00:22.34`	`tmzt`	`hmm, we can flash anything we want`
`00:22.40`	`tmzt`	`but messing with spl is dangerous`
`00:22.55`	`leviathan`	`uhm, yes`
`00:22.59`	`tmzt`	`if cmonex gets the multiboot stuff working we could just load an xip like windows does from a single partition`
`00:23.06`	`tmzt`	`do you know if boot.img is actually bootable code?`
`00:23.19`	`leviathan`	`uhhm`
`00:23.32`	`leviathan`	`its a kernelimage with a commandline header`
`00:23.55`	`leviathan`	`I'm creating it myself with a simple app`
`00:23.55`	`leviathan`	`mkbootimg`
`00:24.11`	`tmzt`	`it runs?`
`00:24.16`	`tmzt`	`once loaded`
`00:24.58`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`00:25.10`	`leviathan`	`it runs`
`00:25.30`	`leviathan`	`uhhm`
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`00:30.40`	`Snappo`	`hey guys I'm going insane here`
`00:30.43`	`leviathan`	`suspend is broken in shr -.-`
`00:30.47`	`leviathan`	`on freerunner`
`00:30.50`	`leviathan`	`...`
`00:30.53`	`Snappo`	`I'm trying to mount a system.sqsh in ubuntu 9.10`
`00:30.56`	`Snappo`	`and I keep getting this`
`00:31.00`	`leviathan`	`Snappo: well! Im already insane`
`00:31.04`	`leviathan`	`;)`
`00:31.17`	`tmzt`	`is it done?`
`00:31.18`	`Snappo`	`mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error`
`00:31.20`	`Snappo`	`I'm using this command:`
`00:31.33`	`Snappo`	`root@ian-laptop:/media/data# mount /home/ian/android/system.sqsh /media/data/ -t squashfs -o loop`
`00:31.59`	`leviathan`	`tmzt: http://ftp.o2s.ch/mkbootimg`
`00:32.06`	`tmzt`	`source?`
`00:32.12`	`leviathan`	`thats what I'm using for creating boot.img`
`00:32.15`	`leviathan`	`dunno`
`00:32.18`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`00:32.19`	`tmzt`	`won't open`
`00:32.37`	`Snappo`	`leviathan any idea why this file won't mount?`
`00:32.41`	`Snappo`	`it works fine on my phone`
`00:33.17`	`leviathan`	`Snappo: perhaps you dont have the needed kernel module loaded/compiled?`
`00:33.22`	`Snappo`	`hm`
`00:33.27`	`leviathan`	`lsmod`
`00:33.37`	`leviathan`	`modprobe -l \| grep squash`
`00:34.13`	`Snappo`	`root@ian-laptop:/media/data# modprobe -l \| grep squash kernel/fs/squashfs/squashfs.ko`
`00:34.36`	`leviathan`	`tmzt: http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/system/core/mkbootimg/`
`00:34.45`	`Snappo`	`fart, I'm at my bus stop`
`00:34.46`	`Snappo`	`bbl`
`00:35.00`	`leviathan`	`okee`
`00:35.36`	`leviathan`	`tmzt: 23%`
`00:35.39`	`leviathan`	`-.-`
`00:36.18`	`tmzt`	`doesn't seem boot.img is executable`
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`00:44.52`	`leviathan`	`tmzt: its not executable`
`00:45.07`	`leviathan`	`it has a commandlineoption as header`
`00:45.17`	`leviathan`	`ok`
`00:45.23`	`leviathan`	`I'll sleep now`
`00:45.26`	`leviathan`	`until then`
`00:45.37`	`leviathan`	`I'll take a look again in some hours`
`00:45.40`	`leviathan`	`tmzt: gn8`
`00:54.16`	`tmzt`	`pushed?`
`00:54.47`	`tmzt`	`git@gitorious.org:htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming.git`
`00:55.15`	`leviathan`	`93%`
`00:55.21`	`tmzt`	`git checkout master`
`00:55.21`	`tmzt`	`git remote add origin git@gitorious.org:htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming.git`
`00:55.21`	`tmzt`	`git push origin master`
`00:55.27`	`tmzt`	`ah, thought that was shr`
`00:55.32`	`tmzt`	`cool`
`00:55.39`	`leviathan`	`nope`
`00:55.44`	`leviathan`	`now 94%`
`00:55.48`	`leviathan`	`95`
`00:55.52`	`tmzt`	`alright, good night`
`00:56.02`	`leviathan`	`06`
`00:56.05`	`leviathan`	`96`
`00:56.12`	`emwe`	`bye.`
`00:56.14`	`leviathan`	`take a look in some minutes`
`00:56.19`	`leviathan`	`bye`
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`00:57.45`	`MatBee`	`hey hey hey`
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`01:14.51`	`MatBee`	`So I have a kernel loading, how do I get it to start loading Android?`
`01:15.00`	`MatBee`	`I was told about something about noop`
`01:15.37`	`ToAsTcfh`	`tmzt: u gotta raph800 kernel u think might work on the hero?`
`01:18.31`	`tmzt`	`no, only to get to htcfb and test smi`
`01:18.39`	`tmzt`	`I can push an raph500 if I still have one`
`01:18.52`	`tmzt`	`MatBee: what hardware?`
`01:19.01`	`ToAsTcfh`	`32a`
`01:19.03`	`MatBee`	`treo pro`
`01:19.14`	`MatBee`	`msm7501a`
`01:19.34`	`ToAsTcfh`	`can i stuff it in an update zip?`
`01:20.05`	`tmzt`	`no, you would have to build a boot.img`
`01:20.13`	`tmzt`	`I wouldn't flash it though, boot from fastboot`
`01:20.14`	`ToAsTcfh`	`i can do that`
`01:20.29`	`ToAsTcfh`	`mkboot`
`01:20.33`	`ToAsTcfh`	`style`
`01:21.04`	`ToAsTcfh`	`anyhow, i dont know another way to push it to the device`
`01:21.28`	`ToAsTcfh`	`but if u got one u think will work send it`
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`01:34.58`	`MatBee`	`so if someone can let me know how to boot android, even if its not functioning, with my kernel...`
`01:35.27`	`tmzt`	`what kernel?`
`01:42.16`	`tmzt`	`~seen emwe`
`01:42.30`	`apt`	`emwe <n=michael@86.56.50.180> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 46m 18s ago, saying: 'bye.'.`
`01:42.42`	`tmzt`	`hmm, cool`
`01:50.52`	`ToAsTcfh`	`tmzt: i thought u said lastnight maybe a raph800 kernel would boot on the heroc`
`01:51.41`	`tmzt`	`raph500 and only to the htcfb`
`01:52.10`	`ToAsTcfh`	`oh..`
`01:54.30`	`ToAsTcfh`	`i guess that wouldnt be much help to me. but if it got that far would it be possible to back trace what is needed to use it on a heroc? or were u think of something different`
`01:58.51`	`tmzt`	`yeah, it should`
`01:59.00`	`tmzt`	`but it would be interesting to see if it booted that far`
`01:59.18`	`tmzt`	`because it tells you the ram banks are right`
`01:59.30`	`tmzt`	`cloning lev git :)`
`02:00.36`	`ToAsTcfh`	`yeah we got a .27 kernel now and unless i get this framework hack right i need a newer kernel`
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`02:01.20`	`tmzt`	`the sensor stuff? what does kernel matter?`
`02:03.31`	`ToAsTcfh`	`the sensorsmanager has to be completely replaced with 1.5 s to get the gsensors to work`
`02:03.48`	`ToAsTcfh`	`camera usses a different .so too`
`02:07.17`	`ToAsTcfh`	`well if u got one in mind send it. ill check it out`
`02:07.24`	`ToAsTcfh`	`or a link`
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`02:22.55`	`tmzt`	`- strcpy(ui->gadget.dev.bus_id, "gadget");`
`02:22.55`	`tmzt`	`+ ui->gadget.dev.init_name="gadget";`
`02:23.01`	`tmzt`	`I think this should be dev_set_name now`
`02:23.08`	`tmzt`	`look at the fixups in the codeaurora log`
`02:28.20`	`tmzt`	`let's see if we can get this to htcfb`
`02:31.30`	`tmzt`	`+#else`
`02:31.31`	`tmzt`	`+#define HTC_FB_PHYS 0x16800000 /* physical page for our fb */`
`02:31.31`	`tmzt`	`+#define HTC_FB_OFF 0x0006a000 /* offset in the page to start of fb`
`02:31.33`	`tmzt`	`+#define HTC_FB_SIZE 0x00100000 /* map 1 MB (640 * 480 * 2 rounded p`
`02:31.37`	`tmzt`	`+#endif`
`02:31.39`	`tmzt`	`must be used on g1 then`
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`02:58.18`	`MatBee`	`\`
`02:58.36`	`MatBee`	`tmzt, the one phh made ;)`
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`03:09.14`	`Shadowline`	`any topaz android users here?`
`03:12.02`	`Shadowline`	`no?`
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`03:34.40`	`Shadowline`	`anyone with android rom making experience?`
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`04:11.33`	`grayeul`	`quick question: Looks to me like you use haret to boot android .... how do you boot back to winmo?`
`04:11.51`	`MatBee`	`restart the device`
`04:12.14`	`MatBee`	`it doesnt replace the wince loader`
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`04:13.25`	`grayeul`	`ah... so haret just does a one-time boot?`
`04:13.48`	`MatBee`	`yep`
`04:14.24`	`grayeul`	`cool, thanks`
`04:14.25`	`MatBee`	`only time will android become permanent is with a flashing of the rom`
`04:17.34`	`MxxCon`	`hey folks. what kind of help do you need with getting linux/android to touchpro2?`
`04:17.51`	`MxxCon`	`i can't code, but i'll to help w/ whatever else i can`
`04:20.15`	`MatBee`	`sure you can`
`04:20.19`	`MatBee`	`anyone can code:)`
`04:20.44`	`MxxCon`	`(i don't want to learn how to code. sysadmin'ing is enough for me)`
`04:20.49`	`MatBee`	`ahaha`
`04:21.33`	`MxxCon`	`i can pipe ls into grep and that's as far as i'm willing to code :D`
`04:23.02`	`MxxCon`	`tmzt posted in rhodium thread that he/you need people to use haret to help figure out what's going on in the device..can i help?`
`04:32.06`	`tmzt`	`hey`
`04:32.22`	`tmzt`	`yeah, there's some stuff we can check`
`04:32.54`	`tmzt`	`how are the version 3 zImage working for you?`
`04:33.56`	`MxxCon`	`um, version 3?`
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`04:34.08`	`tmzt`	`on the thread`
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`04:34.18`	`tmzt`	`are you on topaz or rhod thread?`
`04:34.30`	`MxxCon`	`rhod`
`04:34.42`	`tmzt`	`hmm a lot of stuff we do is sysadmin stuff`
`04:34.51`	`tmzt`	`but not really with android`
`04:35.16`	`tmzt`	`sha: hey`
`04:37.02`	`tmzt`	`sorry, the haret stuff is to find some address or adsp stuff to get some more features working`
`04:37.27`	`tmzt`	`it's great to see so much progress on the gsm rhod`
`04:37.32`	`tmzt`	`but I have cdma rhod`
`04:37.40`	`tmzt`	`cdma/gsm`
`04:38.12`	`MxxCon`	`i'm on sprint`
`04:38.52`	`MxxCon`	`i didn't unlock it yet so i can't use another US simcard`
`04:43.36`	`tmzt`	`oah, the other thread`
`04:43.44`	`tmzt`	`anyone tried this on cdma version?`
`04:44.17`	`MxxCon`	`i tried 2.01 and 1.6 on my phone with similar results`
`04:45.33`	`MxxCon`	`i didn't try build that EGOvoruhk assembled yet`
`04:46.26`	`tmzt`	`no internet even with cr2's instructions?`
`04:47.00`	`MxxCon`	`don't know what those are`
`04:47.12`	`tmzt`	`MxxCon: mostly we need to know what addresses to trace/investigate`
`04:47.21`	`tmzt`	`in the rhod thread`
`04:47.27`	`tmzt`	`or topa not sure`
`04:47.30`	`tmzt`	`using pppd`
`04:51.38`	`MxxCon`	`hmm i don't see it..unless i'm looking in the wrong aplce`
`04:52.02`	`tmzt`	`just a question here`
`04:53.00`	`tmzt`	`is there a reason to have separate rhod/topa projects?`
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`05:13.56`	`MatBee`	`so tmzt, I've gotten the android linux kernel booting, it loads the classic linux type boot screen`
`05:14.23`	`MatBee`	`and phh told me to ask you about.. noop'ing it to make it start loading android?`
`05:16.02`	`MatBee`	`im using a custom zImage kernel from phh`
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`06:38.33`	`loxattack-2`	`able to boot up 2.0.1 android on TP2`
`06:38.34`	`loxattack-2`	`:]`
`06:38.36`	`loxattack-2`	`success`
`06:38.38`	`loxattack-2`	`!!!!!!`
`06:38.41`	`loxattack-2`	`omg!`
`06:42.37`	`makkonen`	`What works/what doesn't?`
`06:43.11`	`loxattack-2`	`none of the hardware buttons`
`06:43.26`	`loxattack-2`	`able to load up to home screen and loaded browser`
`06:43.29`	`loxattack-2`	`rebooting now`
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`07:14.20`	`tmzt`	`mate: ah, just port the stuff from qualcomm-on-msm gito`
`07:14.30`	`tmzt`	`the mddi patches that comment out the init code`
`07:14.49`	`tmzt`	`Matthew__:`
`07:14.55`	`tmzt`	`matb:`
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`08:26.36`	`tmzt`	`why does topa board panel want raph include?`
`08:26.40`	`tmzt`	`wait`
`08:26.43`	`tmzt`	`I know :)`
`08:26.47`	`tmzt`	`the gpios are there`
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`10:30.54`	`tmzt`	`anybody understand the irq.c changes for wince amss?`
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`10:37.33`	`phh`	`irq is changed ?`
`10:37.34`	`phh`	`hum`
`10:37.58`	`phh`	`oh right, vic is cleared`
`10:40.02`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`10:40.21`	`tmzt`	`can't push right now but things seem to be going ok`
`10:40.35`	`tmzt`	`gito qualcomm-msm works with small change (init-mmc)`
`10:40.57`	`tmzt`	`but I'm working on lev's tree readding wince support`
`10:41.02`	`tmzt`	`and no htcfb even`
`10:41.06`	`phh`	`ok`
`10:41.12`	`phh`	`rhod in my tree would be cool :)`
`10:42.20`	`tmzt`	`hmm they removed iomem base entries in ca 2.6.32?`
`10:42.27`	`tmzt`	`how would I work around that`
`10:42.29`	`tmzt`	`and why?`
`10:42.35`	`tmzt`	`your tree?`
`10:43.04`	`phh`	`http://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm ?`
`10:45.02`	`phh`	`(I call it my tree because i setted it up and currently it's the only one i did, so there is no confusion)`
`10:45.34`	`tmzt`	`ah`
`10:45.45`	`tmzt`	`well rhod is working with topa mtype`
`10:45.55`	`tmzt`	`to msmfb all I care about at this point`
`10:46.19`	`tmzt`	`you can bring in the patch from rhod thread to enable htcrhodium mtype`
`10:46.20`	`tmzt`	`easy`
`10:46.34`	`tmzt`	`also, change htcraphael mmc init to just init mmc`
`10:46.38`	`tmzt`	`in board topa`
`10:46.44`	`tmzt`	`push that and rhod works`
`10:46.54`	`tmzt`	`with topa mtype`
`10:47.16`	`phh`	`hu ? i thaught i did the init_mmc`
`10:47.25`	`tmzt`	`wait`
`10:47.32`	`tmzt`	`I pulled a few hours ago`
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`10:47.39`	`tmzt`	`maybe you did`
`10:47.42`	`phh`	`no`
`10:47.45`	`phh`	`i didn't`
`10:47.58`	`phh`	`strange, i was sure i did`
`10:48.25`	`The_Eccentric`	`know where to find the driver TIWLAN?`
`10:48.48`	`phh`	`The_Eccentric: android repo, in core/system/wlan/ti`
`10:49.19`	`The_Eccentric`	`http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=file&Itemid=68&id=52:android-1`
`10:49.25`	`The_Eccentric`	`is that the right site for the repos?`
`10:49.40`	`phh`	`?!?`
`10:49.52`	`phh`	`sure not.`
`10:50.25`	`phh`	`wait a second`
`10:50.29`	`The_Eccentric`	`kk`
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`10:54.48`	`phh`	`git clone git://codeaurora.org/quic/la/platform/system/wlan/ti.git`
`10:56.31`	`The_Eccentric`	`humm`
`10:56.34`	`The_Eccentric`	`can i wget tha/`
`10:56.36`	`The_Eccentric`	`?`
`10:57.01`	`phh`	`no`
`10:58.10`	`The_Eccentric`	`do i do that from my phone or what`
`10:58.17`	`The_Eccentric`	`sorry never used that format before`
`10:58.48`	`phh`	`you first have to build it ...`
`10:59.04`	`leviathan\|sleep`	`tmzt: some critic on my code? ;)`
`10:59.23`	`leviathan\|sleep`	`I know,perhaps my usbgadget fixing method is not the best`
`10:59.25`	`leviathan\|sleep`	`but it works`
`10:59.26`	`leviathan\|sleep`	`:)`
`11:02.53`	`The_Eccentric`	`phh, how?`
`11:03.03`	`phh`	`don't know`
`11:03.15`	`The_Eccentric`	`lol`
`11:03.21`	`The_Eccentric`	`ty for your help any way phh`
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`11:10.37`	`tmzt`	`ha`
`11:10.41`	`tmzt`	`not working`
`11:10.56`	`tmzt`	`I don't think that's it`
`11:11.56`	`tmzt`	`leviathan\|sleep: your stuff is not working on rhod for me`
`11:12.11`	`tmzt`	`but I can't see why`
`11:12.18`	`tmzt`	`not even getting to htcfb`
`11:12.24`	`tmzt`	`and no usb at all`
`11:12.45`	`tmzt`	`hmm, did you pull the new stuff that enables timer shadow?`
`11:12.58`	`tmzt`	`seems to be needed for 2.6.32`
`11:13.07`	`tmzt`	`but you have g1 working as is`
`11:13.12`	`tmzt`	`so I don't know`
`11:14.04`	`tmzt`	`things are also missing from io.c and don't have hardcoded virtuals`
`11:14.19`	`tmzt`	`can't see if that matters`
`11:14.38`	`tmzt`	`can we get a bare minmal devices.c to work? I might need your help for that`
`11:15.05`	`tmzt`	`also, phy and mmc status are suppposed to be irq resources now not gpio numbers`
`11:15.15`	`tmzt`	`I think you are behind on ca commits`
`11:15.46`	`tmzt`	`this makes device specific a little harder though`
`11:16.04`	`tmzt`	`since it has to modify resources not pdata`
`11:18.45`	`tmzt`	`hmm, this is weird but dm is a iores mem`
`11:18.57`	`tmzt`	`is that right? should that be phys?`
`11:19.01`	`tmzt`	`addr`
`11:28.49`	`tmzt`	`added a driver name alias to the toshiba client`
`11:28.56`	`phh`	`baaaaaahhhhh`
`11:28.59`	`phh`	`i totally forgot the mdc clock`
`11:29.10`	`phh`	`why do they need three clocks just to talk to a camera`
`11:29.55`	`tmzt`	`it's a weird camera interface`
`11:30.09`	`tmzt`	`do you have any other hardware?`
`11:30.12`	`tmzt`	`just g1?`
`11:30.40`	`tmzt`	`would be helpful to know if this thing is still runnable on g1`
`11:30.53`	`tmzt`	`but I made some Makefile changes not exactly clean`
`11:30.54`	`tmzt`	`hmm`
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`12:00.53`	`StarLite`	`waves`
`12:01.10`	`phh`	`i'll take you for some haret gpio tests then`
`12:01.20`	`Captnoord`	`hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha`
`12:01.35`	`StarLite`	`rgr :)`
`12:01.36`	`Captnoord`	`phh I have a bit of time`
`12:01.37`	`Captnoord`	`:P`
`12:01.52`	`phh`	`Captnoord: get the damn camera working ! :p`
`12:02.02`	`Captnoord`	`lol`
`12:02.04`	`phh`	`anyway time to eat`
`12:02.06`	`Captnoord`	`I don't have that time`
`12:02.06`	`Captnoord`	`:P`
`12:02.15`	`Captnoord`	`still working on my school stuff`
`12:02.19`	`Captnoord`	`in my freaking holliday`
`12:02.29`	`phh`	`haha`
`12:02.35`	`Captnoord`	`but i'm at home`
`12:02.38`	`Captnoord`	`and taking it easy`
`12:02.39`	`Captnoord`	`so hit me`
`12:02.41`	`Captnoord`	`:P`
`12:03.05`	`Captnoord`	`'hit me baby one more time'`
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`12:13.59`	`tmzt`	`2.6.32 boots to htcfb on rhod500 will push changes to a branch tomorrow`
`12:16.07`	`tmzt`	`dzo: bootloader source yet?`
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`12:18.24`	`phh`	`tmzt: isn't it in androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net ?`
`12:18.53`	`tmzt`	`not sure`
`12:19.13`	`tmzt`	`can you try my tree on diam tomorrow?`
`12:19.21`	`tmzt`	`you'll have to readd board`
`12:19.32`	`tmzt`	`lets get hsusb stuff in it's own file`
`12:19.44`	`tmzt`	`not in board anymore`
`12:19.59`	`tmzt`	`and kill device specific because it breaks the resource stuff in ca`
`12:20.12`	`phh`	`sure.. which one is your tree ? :p`
`12:20.18`	`tmzt`	`it's pointless anyway, a board or separate init is tiny`
`12:20.23`	`tmzt`	`not pushed`
`12:20.28`	`tmzt`	`will be gito ~tmzt`
`12:20.30`	`phh`	`ok`
`12:20.42`	`tmzt`	`but it boots`
`12:20.54`	`tmzt`	`msmfb would work if I could figure out what's happening`
`12:20.59`	`tmzt`	`it does on your tree`
`12:21.13`	`tmzt`	`wait, disable htcfb boot`
`12:21.18`	`tmzt`	`should tell me the crash`
`12:21.25`	`tmzt`	`probably the strlen stuff`
`12:21.30`	`tmzt`	`how do I fix that?`
`12:21.40`	`phh`	`[ 5.554443] Unhandled fault: external abort on linefetch (0x806) at 0x00000000`
`12:21.43`	`phh`	`i'm fed up of this.`
`12:21.59`	`tmzt`	`of?`
`12:22.02`	`tmzt`	`sound?`
`12:22.05`	`phh`	`camera`
`12:22.12`	`tmzt`	`ah`
`12:22.13`	`phh`	`sound is leviathan\|sleep 's work`
`12:22.16`	`tmzt`	`fix clk`
`12:22.24`	`phh`	`i'm trying hard.`
`12:22.26`	`tmzt`	`and gnutoo`
`12:22.40`	`tmzt`	`abrt is normal`
`12:22.42`	`tmzt`	`sort of`
`12:22.49`	`tmzt`	`might be bad ioresource`
`12:23.50`	`phh`	`I know it looks like bad ioresource, but it everything says ioresources are ok /o\`
`12:24.11`	`tmzt`	`um`
`12:24.21`	`tmzt`	`maybe I can mail you a patch`
`12:24.33`	`tmzt`	`against leviathan-incoming`
`12:24.44`	`phh`	`you can't push it ?`
`12:24.50`	`tmzt`	`trying boot first`
`12:24.54`	`tmzt`	`not tonight`
`12:25.00`	`tmzt`	`not ip only phone`
`12:25.07`	`phh`	`ok`
`12:25.10`	`phh`	`so phhusson@free.fr`
`12:25.26`	`tmzt`	`let me put that on sd and see if I can send from here`
`12:35.10`	`tmzt`	`hmm clone lev's with -n`
`12:35.53`	`tmzt`	`git checkout -b lev-tmzt-phh origin/master`
`12:36.02`	`tmzt`	`then git apply those two in order`
`12:36.50`	`tmzt`	`fwd that mail back to me still no sent items with activesync`
`12:36.53`	`tmzt`	`annoying`
`12:37.30`	`tmzt`	`phh: thanks, you should be able to add diam again and not change anything at core`
`12:37.35`	`tmzt`	`except the old amss`
`12:37.48`	`tmzt`	`in Kconfig`
`12:37.55`	`phh`	`ok`
`12:38.20`	`tmzt`	`you'll see I split a bunch of stuff as -wince`
`12:38.40`	`tmzt`	`that is also temporary but it keeps g1 buildable after Makefile cleanup`
`12:39.07`	`phh`	`separate qdsp5 ? mmmm`
`12:39.24`	`tmzt`	`yeah, didn't mean to exactly`
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`12:39.36`	`tmzt`	`just easier than recombining smd at this point`
`12:39.39`	`phh`	`separate acpuclock ?!?`
`12:40.22`	`phh`	`afaik the acpuclock is the same for both wince and android`
`12:40.32`	`tmzt`	`quite a few changes`
`12:40.36`	`tmzt`	`so I'm not sure`
`12:40.39`	`phh`	`ok`
`12:41.07`	`tmzt`	`goal is everything works on both android/wince amss`
`12:41.13`	`tmzt`	`so ifdef won't work`
`12:41.18`	`tmzt`	`but that's not quite met`
`12:41.28`	`tmzt`	`all the changes are in one commit really`
`12:41.38`	`tmzt`	`so we can clean it up over time`
`12:42.07`	`tmzt`	`also, want to get all the wrong init names removed`
`12:42.13`	`tmzt`	`and make the rest generic`
`12:42.32`	`tmzt`	`no reason to have an init function that just calls core msm stuff`
`12:42.43`	`tmzt`	`and devices should be soc devices`
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`12:43.06`	`tmzt`	`but we have to find out why the virts are fixed on wince but not android`
`12:43.11`	`tmzt`	`we init wrong I think`
`12:44.04`	`phh`	`the kernel we had did fixed it`
`12:44.08`	`phh`	`they cleaned it up later`
`12:44.18`	`tmzt`	`where?`
`12:44.31`	`tmzt`	`I tried the new stuff, doesn't boot`
`12:44.39`	`tmzt`	`this dies in smem-find by the way`
`12:44.42`	`phh`	`don't know, but hero's kernel is still quite the same`
`12:44.46`	`phh`	`hu ?`
`12:44.52`	`phh`	`i can't see how it can die in smem_find`
`12:45.01`	`tmzt`	`well, that's the oops`
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`12:45.41`	`tmzt`	`I added alias for the old mddi naming`
`12:45.49`	`tmzt`	`I don't think that's an issue`
`12:46.03`	`tmzt`	`let's us use upstream android boards`
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`12:46.41`	`tmzt`	`hmm, maybe topa doesn't have toshiba`
`12:46.44`	`tmzt`	`do you know?`
`12:47.42`	`tmzt`	`hmm that's the only one in your tree`
`12:47.43`	`phh`	`I don't even know for my board`
`12:47.44`	`tmzt`	`must be`
`12:48.04`	`tmzt`	`with nop it shouldn't matter anyway`
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`13:28.26`	`tmzt`	`can anybody add htcfb to tinboot?`
`13:28.52`	`tmzt`	`people.openezx.org/tmzt/green7-dzo-*`
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`13:33.14`	`leviathan\|idling`	`hiho`
`13:33.41`	`leviathan\|idling`	`tmzt: tried the kernel thing?`
`13:33.48`	`tmzt`	`what kernel thing?`
`13:33.56`	`leviathan\|idling`	`uhhm`
`13:33.59`	`tmzt`	`let phh forward you my patches`
`13:34.00`	`leviathan\|idling`	`gitorious`
`13:34.04`	`tmzt`	`or I will`
`13:34.05`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`13:34.11`	`tmzt`	`it works somewhat`
`13:34.12`	`leviathan\|idling`	`http://gitorious.org/htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming`
`13:34.13`	`tmzt`	`on rhod`
`13:34.23`	`tmzt`	`busy tonight`
`13:34.44`	`tmzt`	`phh: can you?`
`13:34.46`	`leviathan\|idling`	`I've always modified the usb gadget driver that building it as module is possible again`
`13:35.02`	`tmzt`	`smem-find is dying but I can't find why`
`13:35.03`	`leviathan\|idling`	`s/always/also/r`
`13:35.10`	`tmzt`	`given up on that tonight`
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`13:49.42`	`leviathan\|idling`	`SHR seems to have still some bugs`
`13:49.46`	`leviathan\|idling`	`but its alpha`
`13:49.48`	`leviathan\|idling`	`so...`
`13:50.41`	`leviathan\|idling`	`I was wondering if its only on dream`
`13:50.50`	`leviathan\|idling`	`but they are also there on freerunner`
`13:51.10`	`leviathan\|idling`	`but it looks already nice`
`13:51.12`	`leviathan\|idling`	`^^`
`13:51.19`	`leviathan\|idling`	`if wifi also works on dream`
`13:51.21`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and sound`
`13:51.26`	`GNUtoo`	`hi leviathan\|idling`
`13:51.35`	`leviathan\|idling`	`hi GNUtoo`
`13:51.57`	`GNUtoo`	`should we talk to mickey to have some publicity and/or at what point are you with pulseaudio?`
`13:52.06`	`leviathan\|idling`	`uhhm`
`13:52.19`	`leviathan\|idling`	`tmzt: told me that pulseaudio doesnt seem such a good idea`
`13:52.34`	`leviathan\|idling`	`because its in userpace and takes a hudge amount of cpu`
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`13:52.46`	`GNUtoo`	`yes but if it works`
`13:52.57`	`leviathan\|idling`	`so I thougt, perhaps I could write something like an oss-mixer`
`13:53.10`	`leviathan\|idling`	`/dev/dsp /dev/dsp_mp3 and /dev/dsp_wav`
`13:53.13`	`GNUtoo`	`or you could try to make an alsa plugin?`
`13:53.21`	`leviathan\|idling`	`uhhm`
`13:53.27`	`leviathan\|idling`	`yes`
`13:53.30`	`GNUtoo`	`ok`
`13:53.37`	`MatBee_`	`Would anyone be able to guide me where to go once a kernel has been made for my device?`
`13:53.46`	`leviathan\|idling`	`the idea would be to have just a dsp-device which writes it over rpc to qdsp`
`13:53.55`	`MatBee_`	`it goes through the loading process, but just loops endlessly`
`13:54.00`	`tmzt`	`no, alsa plugin is useful only for programs using the userspace lib`
`13:54.05`	`leviathan\|idling`	`MatBee_: what device?`
`13:54.15`	`MatBee_`	`Treo Pro, Treo 850`
`13:54.20`	`leviathan\|idling`	`uhhm`
`13:54.23`	`tmzt`	`MatBee_: no kernel to.night`
`13:54.29`	`tmzt`	`ah wait`
`13:54.32`	`tmzt`	`not the heroc`
`13:54.39`	`MatBee_`	`uses 7501a`
`13:54.47`	`tmzt`	`what do you want it to do?`
`13:54.58`	`MatBee_`	`I'm trying to get the beginning stages of Android, atleast`
`13:55.17`	`leviathan\|idling`	`tmzt: what do you think about a simple dsp-driver?`
`13:55.27`	`leviathan\|idling`	`which just writes inputs to qdsp5?`
`13:55.47`	`MatBee_`	`Right atm, it just goes through the boot process. I've just not found information for further development.`
`13:58.35`	`tmzt`	`maybe`
`13:58.53`	`tmzt`	`how is that different/better than the android one?`
`13:59.14`	`leviathan\|idling`	`tmzt: uhhm, then any app can write to dsp`
`13:59.17`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and can make sound`
`13:59.19`	`leviathan\|idling`	`:)`
`13:59.29`	`leviathan\|idling`	`just a primitive OSS interface`
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`14:00.50`	`tmzt`	`ah`
`14:00.53`	`tmzt`	`that dsp`
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`14:00.58`	`leviathan\|idling`	`yeah :)`
`14:01.00`	`tmzt`	`still think cuse in that case`
`14:01.06`	`tmzt`	`as non cuse will go away`
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`14:01.26`	`leviathan\|idling`	`one thing is clear`
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`14:01.50`	`leviathan\|idling`	`somehow the alsa thing shows the crapidity of the qdsp5-driver`
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`14:01.51`	`leviathan\|idling`	`:)`
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`14:02.23`	`tmzt`	`we need to better understand it`
`14:02.29`	`leviathan\|idling`	`tmzt: yes`
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`14:02.34`	`tmzt`	`it has to be synchronization primatives`
`14:02.38`	`tmzt`	`of some kind`
`14:02.42`	`MatBee_`	`Is it possible to log the boot sequence output?`
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`14:02.50`	`tmzt`	`of?`
`14:02.55`	`MatBee_`	`the initial loading of linux`
`14:02.56`	`leviathan\|idling`	`MatBee_: over debug serial`
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`14:02.59`	`tmzt`	`hmm, new serial driver for usb`
`14:03.01`	`leviathan\|idling`	`hF with solding`
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`14:03.02`	`leviathan\|idling`	`:=`
`14:03.06`	`tmzt`	`or use ramconsole`
`14:03.09`	`leviathan\|idling`	`ok`
`14:03.13`	`leviathan\|idling`	`works too`
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`14:03.39`	`MatBee_`	`Any information for the serial driver?`
`14:03.41`	`leviathan\|idling`	`can someone kill kam187's autorelogin`
`14:03.42`	`leviathan\|idling`	`?`
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`14:04.27`	`leviathan\|idling`	`good`
`14:04.42`	`leviathan\|idling`	`these messages were ennoying`
`14:05.01`	`leviathan\|idling`	`now`
`14:05.27`	`leviathan\|idling`	`tmzt: seems that they do not check back the buffer size`
`14:05.44`	`leviathan\|idling`	`means: mplayer makes an ioctl and gets wrong buffer-infos`
`14:06.07`	`tmzt`	`check where?`
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`14:06.35`	`leviathan\|idling`	`mplayer makes an ioctl on the device`
`14:06.44`	`leviathan\|idling`	`but the ioctl ID seems wrong...`
`14:07.02`	`tmzt`	`how can it be?`
`14:07.03`	`kam187_`	`sorry guys, nickserv hates me`
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`14:07.11`	`tmzt`	`have you looked at qsd?`
`14:07.23`	`MatBee_`	`then leave your name off kam187:P`
`14:07.33`	`tmzt`	`or the new stuff from qualcomm they must know`
`14:07.44`	`kam187_`	`yeah i'll leave it as kam187_ for now`
`14:07.51`	`leviathan\|idling`	`:)`
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`14:11.14`	`leviathan\|idling`	`tmzt: I dont know whats the best way to do it`
`14:11.22`	`leviathan\|idling`	`because alsa is overbloat`
`14:11.43`	`leviathan\|idling`	`somehow crap`
`14:11.51`	`leviathan\|idling`	`for pulseaudio the same`
`14:12.21`	`leviathan\|idling`	`it would be nice to have the qdsp5 driver making the dsp-interface it self`
`14:12.26`	`leviathan\|idling`	`... thats an idea`
`14:12.39`	`tmzt`	`parts of it`
`14:12.49`	`tmzt`	`ah, so no wrapper`
`14:12.58`	`tmzt`	`so just use alsa without the qdsp wrapper`
`14:13.09`	`tmzt`	`let it set up the module image and go away`
`14:14.09`	`tmzt`	`maybe you could use mailbox interface directly`
`14:16.14`	`leviathan\|idling`	`mhmm`
`14:16.36`	`leviathan\|idling`	`just use the qdsp-algorithms to create an indipendent driver`
`14:16.48`	`leviathan\|idling`	`which makes qdsp5-driver with rpc useless`
`14:17.11`	`leviathan\|idling`	`shouldnt be such a problem`
`14:17.34`	`leviathan\|idling`	`Ill just trace the rpc-end-functions`
`14:18.10`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and will pack them into a file in my alsa-drivers-folder`
`14:18.18`	`leviathan\|idling`	`the problem is: there are a lot of android drivers too, I'll have to badly modify`
`14:19.00`	`leviathan\|idling`	`alone it isnt possible`
`14:19.08`	`tmzt`	`what's the rpc for?`
`14:20.20`	`leviathan\|idling`	`they are using it as middleware`
`14:20.23`	`leviathan\|idling`	`in kernelspace`
`14:20.32`	`leviathan\|idling`	`to abstract processes and so on`
`14:20.39`	`leviathan\|idling`	`its the replacement for alsa`
`14:20.40`	`leviathan\|idling`	`...`
`14:20.44`	`leviathan\|idling`	`so for using alsa`
`14:20.46`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`14:20.49`	`leviathan\|idling`	`we first need to remove rpc`
`14:20.55`	`tmzt`	`but why in audio specifically?`
`14:21.03`	`leviathan\|idling`	`uhhm`
`14:21.14`	`leviathan\|idling`	`dunno, dont wanna know`
`14:21.20`	`leviathan\|idling`	`just remove it :)`
`14:21.36`	`leviathan\|idling`	`I wanna have alsa not rpc`
`14:21.44`	`tmzt`	`probably needed for some things`
`14:21.51`	`tmzt`	`but hopefully not each frame`
`14:22.19`	`leviathan\|idling`	`ohh, I'll just make the rpc stuff vanish`
`14:22.34`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and I'll import the whole qdsp5-base-driver into the alsa driver`
`14:22.40`	`leviathan\|idling`	`so that it gets indipendent`
`14:22.56`	`leviathan\|idling`	`I will also call it qdsp5`
`14:23.07`	`tmzt`	`I mean setup the modules`
`14:23.11`	`tmzt`	`use a run flag`
`14:23.14`	`tmzt`	`or workqueue`
`14:23.16`	`leviathan\|idling`	`hmm`
`14:23.29`	`tmzt`	`shuffle the dat from alsa right to qdsp range`
`14:23.56`	`tmzt`	`when the module image needs to change (like for camera) change it`
`14:24.05`	`tmzt`	`but ootherwise leave qdsp out of it`
`14:24.26`	`leviathan\|idling`	`qdsp is the hardware`
`14:24.30`	`leviathan\|idling`	`the unit for sound`
`14:24.43`	`leviathan\|idling`	`so I think it makes sense to make an alsa driver which accesses this unit`
`14:24.52`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and drivers normally access it directly`
`14:24.59`	`tmzt`	`not hardware`
`14:25.03`	`tmzt`	`but close enough`
`14:25.09`	`leviathan\|idling`	`qdsp5-driver makes that, what alsa should do`
`14:25.18`	`tmzt`	`that's what I'm trying to say`
`14:25.31`	`leviathan\|idling`	`so why not change the driver to an alsa driver?`
`14:25.34`	`tmzt`	`pmem, qdsp etc need to go away for us`
`14:25.39`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`14:25.40`	`leviathan\|idling`	`yes`
`14:25.48`	`tmzt`	`but we need to load modules`
`14:25.54`	`tmzt`	`and switch images`
`14:25.54`	`leviathan\|idling`	`yes`
`14:25.59`	`leviathan\|idling`	`yes`
`14:26.05`	`tmzt`	`we just don't need to be qdsp client`
`14:26.14`	`tmzt`	`and we don't need pmem as sample cache`
`14:26.19`	`tmzt`	`takes up ram`
`14:26.25`	`tmzt`	`not dynamic`
`14:26.36`	`tmzt`	`I think io.c is broke`
`14:26.52`	`tmzt`	`need to fix allocation of those ranges not use ce ones`
`14:28.08`	`leviathan\|idling`	`hmm`
`14:28.31`	`tmzt`	`yeah, probably why our bank stuff is so bad too`
`14:28.35`	`tmzt`	`and ramconsole`
`14:28.35`	`leviathan\|idling`	`I didnt manage to get the vanilla kernel booting with htcdream yet`
`14:28.42`	`tmzt`	`msm is not that hard`
`14:28.45`	`tmzt`	`it can't be`
`14:30.31`	`leviathan\|idling`	`hmm`
`14:30.45`	`leviathan\|idling`	`the even used pmem for allocation of the screen`
`14:30.56`	`leviathan\|idling`	`what should that crap be??`
`14:31.31`	`tmzt`	`drm`
`14:31.39`	`tmzt`	`but drm driver still uses pmem`
`14:31.40`	`tmzt`	`uh`
`14:31.44`	`leviathan\|idling`	`yes...`
`14:32.36`	`leviathan\|idling`	`we should try waste extraction`
`14:32.36`	`leviathan\|idling`	`making indipendent drivers`
`14:32.36`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and cleaning them from pmem`
`14:32.36`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and rpc`
`14:32.36`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`14:32.36`	`tmzt`	`and pavel upstream/next`
`14:32.39`	`tmzt`	`if the 2.6.32 works`
`14:32.54`	`tmzt`	`we will get there`
`14:33.13`	`tmzt`	`pretty happy with the diff`
`14:33.21`	`tmzt`	`wish I knew the smd issue`
`14:33.34`	`tmzt`	`guessing it might be the guessing stuff from dzo`
`14:33.52`	`tmzt`	`or maybe that I have different headers in smd smd tty snd smd qmi`
`14:33.56`	`tmzt`	`could be that`
`14:36.21`	`leviathan\|idling`	`hmm`
`14:36.34`	`leviathan\|idling`	`I'll try again to boot the vanilla kernel`
`14:36.43`	`leviathan\|idling`	`if it works we would have a clean base`
`14:36.59`	`leviathan\|idling`	`the ugly thing is, that there are already android things`
`14:37.04`	`leviathan\|idling`	`which are infecting the base`
`14:41.57`	`leviathan\|idling`	`tmzt: I've transplanted the files from experimental to newest vanilla`
`14:42.20`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and it refuses to build because of elemental armv6 operations`
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`15:12.49`	`MatBee_`	`for the modules-xxx.tar.gz should these be renamed to simply modules.tar.gz?`
`15:13.02`	`leviathan\|idling`	`where?`
`15:13.11`	`MatBee_`	`or extracted`
`15:13.24`	`leviathan\|idling`	`where?`
`15:13.32`	`leviathan\|idling`	`do you mean shr?`
`15:13.46`	`MatBee_`	`You know, you download the zImage and the modules tar`
`15:13.52`	`leviathan\|idling`	`oh`
`15:14.02`	`leviathan\|idling`	`modules is just for differing userspaces`
`15:14.04`	`leviathan\|idling`	`you know`
`15:14.17`	`leviathan\|idling`	`you wanna debootstrap arm-debian`
`15:14.22`	`leviathan\|idling`	`and then you need the modules`
`15:14.34`	`leviathan\|idling`	`in default rootfs the modules should already be there`
`15:14.43`	`leviathan\|idling`	`or beeing accesible by package manager`
`15:15.09`	`MatBee_`	`ah`
`15:15.42`	`leviathan\|idling`	`its just logic :)`
`15:16.03`	`MatBee_`	`logic may only make sense if explained :P`
`15:16.36`	`leviathan\|idling`	`logic needs the basic knowledge of technical facts :P`
`15:16.50`	`leviathan\|idling`	`like gravity, relativity and so on`
`15:16.52`	`leviathan\|idling`	`okeee`
`15:16.54`	`leviathan\|idling`	`enough flame`
`15:16.55`	`leviathan\|idling`	`^^`
`15:16.58`	`MatBee_`	`:P`
`15:17.25`	`leviathan\|idling`	`I need to gonna coach someone in math again`
`15:17.32`	`leviathan\|idling`	`18.00h`
`15:17.33`	`leviathan\|idling`	`hmm`
`15:17.37`	`MatBee_`	`Are there any guidelines to follow for porting android`
`15:17.50`	`leviathan\|idling`	`my guidline is simple`
`15:17.52`	`leviathan\|idling`	`avoid android`
`15:17.53`	`leviathan\|idling`	`:)`
`15:17.56`	`Captnoord`	`leviathan\|idling: 0x2B \| ~0x2B = ?`
`15:17.56`	`MatBee_`	`meh`
`15:17.57`	`Captnoord`	`:P`
`15:18.01`	`Captnoord`	`to be or not to be`
`15:18.25`	`leviathan\|idling`	`lol`
`15:18.33`	`Captnoord`	`very old question`
`15:18.36`	`Captnoord`	`simple awnser`
`15:18.37`	`Captnoord`	`0xFF`
`15:18.41`	`leviathan\|idling`	`lol`
`15:18.56`	`MatBee_`	`Do I have to be in Linux for my computer to communicate with my device while its booting?`
`15:19.07`	`MatBee_`	`PC linux ;P`
`15:19.30`	`MatBee_`	`Or is it possible to use rawconsole over windows`
`15:19.33`	`leviathan\|idling`	`you need some serial interface like uart solded or usb serial`
`15:19.49`	`leviathan\|idling`	`then you can use telnet console`
`15:19.51`	`leviathan\|idling`	`on com0`
`15:19.57`	`leviathan\|idling`	`or usb-serial`
`15:19.57`	`MatBee_`	`is it a simple usb -> serial driver?`
`15:20.04`	`leviathan\|idling`	`should be`
`15:20.07`	`MatBee_`	`like the arduino?`
`15:20.08`	`Captnoord`	`I think the problem is the hw`
`15:20.10`	`Captnoord`	`not the sw`
`15:20.59`	`Captnoord`	`i've changed my headset into a nice serial thingy`
`15:21.06`	`Captnoord`	`together with usb -> serial converter`
`15:21.45`	`MatBee_`	`Oh, I need actual hardware?`
`15:21.55`	`Captnoord`	`on any htc device`
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`15:22.05`	`Captnoord`	`you need that special usb connector`
`15:22.16`	`Captnoord`	`they use....`
`15:22.25`	`Captnoord`	`soldering it is really easy`
`15:22.32`	`Captnoord`	`I really should make a how to`
`15:22.54`	`MatBee_`	`im definitely not soldering, lol`
`15:23.07`	`Captnoord`	`not on your device`
`15:23.14`	`Captnoord`	`not on your phone`
`15:23.22`	`MatBee_`	`I have an arduino, with an FTDI FT232`
`15:23.27`	`Captnoord`	`aaaahhhh`
`15:23.30`	`Captnoord`	`perfect`
`15:23.31`	`MatBee_`	`can i just i2c my device?`
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`15:23.51`	`Captnoord`	`hmmm`
`15:24.03`	`Captnoord`	`which phone?`
`15:24.08`	`MatBee_`	`treo pro`
`15:24.14`	`MatBee_`	`:P`
`15:24.28`	`MatBee_`	`or do i just take the ftdi chip off and use it? :P`
`15:24.29`	`Captnoord`	`is it htc?`
`15:24.32`	`MatBee_`	`yeah its htc`
`15:24.34`	`Captnoord`	`k`
`15:24.41`	`Captnoord`	`the problem with those phones is`
`15:24.53`	`Captnoord`	`that there uart is done trough the usb connector`
`15:25.01`	`Captnoord`	`and one way or the other`
`15:25.12`	`Captnoord`	`you need to be able to get the rx and the tx from the uart`
`15:25.49`	`Captnoord`	`one way is to modify your headset`
`15:25.50`	`MatBee_`	`hmm`
`15:25.58`	`Captnoord`	`as it should have the special usb connector`
`15:26.02`	`Captnoord`	`mine did`
`15:26.11`	`Captnoord`	`not that I even have time to use it`
`15:26.12`	`MatBee_`	`if i had a headset ;)`
`15:26.21`	`Captnoord`	`i'm in the middle of a crappy simulation`
`15:26.23`	`Captnoord`	`bleh math`
`15:26.23`	`MatBee_`	`my ex demolished it`
`15:26.26`	`Captnoord`	`perfect`
`15:26.28`	`MatBee_`	`"PAY ATTENTION TO ME, LBLARRRGH"`
`15:26.31`	`Captnoord`	`you don't need it in tact`
`15:26.36`	`MatBee_`	`nah its gonezo`
`15:26.37`	`Captnoord`	`you only need the usb part`
`15:27.02`	`Captnoord`	`you don't need anything from the headset except the usb connector and a small length of the wire`
`15:27.15`	`MatBee_`	`oh?`
`15:27.33`	`Captnoord`	`http://www.instructables.com/id/Android_G1_Serial_Cable/`
`15:28.18`	`leviathan\|idling`	`ok, I'll go now`
`15:28.18`	`Captnoord`	`don't see the whole 'I bought a special usb connector todo this' part`
`15:28.20`	`Captnoord`	`k`
`15:28.22`	`leviathan\|idling`	`need to coach someone`
`15:28.31`	`leviathan\|idling`	`cu`
`15:28.33`	`Captnoord`	`k`
`15:28.45`	`MatBee_`	`I can use 5v though, no?`
`15:28.52`	`MatBee_`	`why would i use 3.3v :P`
`15:29.01`	`Captnoord`	`lol`
`15:29.24`	`Captnoord`	`because 3.3v CMOS compatible`
`15:29.28`	`MatBee_`	`bah, i already have ftdi, easy`
`15:29.34`	`MatBee_`	`ill just put on a resistor`
`15:29.49`	`MatBee_`	`;P`
`15:31.31`	`Captnoord`	`1 thing of importance`
`15:31.39`	`Captnoord`	`us you get your headset`
`15:31.44`	`Captnoord`	`if`
`15:31.47`	`Captnoord`	`find*`
`15:31.49`	`Captnoord`	`lol`
`15:31.56`	`Captnoord`	`don't go wildly trying`
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`15:32.09`	`MatBee_`	`oh i wont`
`15:32.11`	`Captnoord`	`there is a nice circuit diagram on the internet for it`
`15:32.13`	`MatBee_`	`its long gone`
`15:32.21`	`MatBee_`	`ill just use my arduino somehow`
`15:32.25`	`MatBee_`	`its already al lthere`
`15:32.34`	`MatBee_`	`i have a 5v -> 3.3v converter anyway`
`15:33.06`	`MatBee_`	`it'll make for a nice arduino controlled phone anyway :P`
`15:35.48`	`MatBee_`	`Product Code: HTC-B-V-1_1`
`15:35.50`	`MatBee_`	`OUT OF STOCK`
`15:35.52`	`MatBee_`	`heh`
`15:36.46`	`MatBee_`	`I could paypal someone funds if they send me one they dont use :)`
`15:39.26`	`MatBee_`	`nm, i can use my uC`
`15:41.10`	`Captnoord`	`thanks himself for sticking with his initial idea.......`
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`15:42.03`	`MatBee_`	`this is easy peezy`
`15:42.36`	`Captnoord`	`mine stuff isn't`
`15:44.10`	`MatBee_`	`power to uC +5v, RX/TX from uC to hacked up usb cable ;)`
`15:45.09`	`MatBee_`	`I can even automate responses`
`15:46.04`	`Captnoord`	`nice nice nice`
`15:46.22`	`MatBee_`	`now to imagine how i'm going to do it while at work`
`15:46.42`	`Captnoord`	`looooool`
`15:52.39`	`MatBee_`	`my htc/palm device uses microusb`
`15:52.43`	`MatBee_`	`:P`
`15:53.21`	`MatBee_`	`lame`
`15:54.05`	`MatBee_`	`so maybe all i have to worry about is +5v and data+/-`
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`16:06.05`	`WigglerAway`	`MatBee_: Rather than buying a extUSB connector I used a htc 3.5mm headphone adapter bought for peanuts of ebay and wired onto the pins`
`16:06.34`	`MatBee_`	`I should be covered with my microcontroller anyway`
`16:06.45`	`MatBee_`	`i just need microusb pinouts`
`16:07.09`	`MatBee_`	`from what I think, its just +V, Data +/-, N/C, and GND`
`16:08.23`	`MatBee_`	`You can send the serial data over headphone?`
`16:08.30`	`MatBee_`	`of course!`
`16:08.39`	`MatBee_`	`that just makes sense`
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`16:09.22`	`MatBee_`	`I have the headset that came with my phone, that should be enough, right?`
`16:10.04`	`WigglerAway`	`hang on, bit confused, does your device have the htc extusb connector or just a microusb?`
`16:10.09`	`MxxCon`	`leviathan\|away i might be completely wrong here, but would it be useful to use audio parts from rockbox project?`
`16:10.24`	`MatBee_`	`it just has microusb`
`16:10.40`	`MatBee_`	`and the 3.5mm`
`16:11.13`	`MatBee_`	`Phone was made by HTC though.`
`16:12.11`	`WigglerAway`	`oh right, what captnoord and I were describing was a extusb, the phones have a switch inside to toggle function of the pins`
`16:12.27`	`JDShadowline`	`hmm anyone here good at android rom making?, and good morning mr WigglerAway`
`16:12.35`	`MatBee_`	`yeah I noticed the extusb was for miniusb`
`16:12.41`	`MatBee_`	`and microusb is stripped even more`
`16:13.13`	`WigglerAway`	`Can't be sure if your phone has a uart coming out of the connector`
`16:13.24`	`MatBee_`	`lets hope`
`16:15.52`	`WigglerAway`	`Good morning Shadowline`
`16:16.01`	`MatBee_`	`Actually, my device may only be able to be a slave`
`16:17.19`	`WigglerAway`	`Right, I need to go to town before the shops close - christmas is bearing down on me`
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`16:20.28`	`MatBee_`	`oh youre right`
`16:20.30`	`MatBee_`	`its almost christmas`
`16:20.36`	`MatBee_`	`i should start shopping`
`16:27.35`	`phh`	`MatBee_: you need msmfb working before getting android`
`16:28.34`	`MatBee_`	`yeah`
`16:30.04`	`phh`	`and well`
`16:30.10`	`phh`	`that's the only thing you need before getting android.`
`16:30.42`	`MatBee_`	`i have a feeling i can't do serial over my phone anyway`
`16:30.51`	`phh`	`tmzt: do you know how to "noop" mddi ?`
`16:31.57`	`phh`	`even if we don't know the product id`
`16:32.32`	`phh`	`I can see that blackstone does that, but with known product id`
`16:32.43`	`MatBee_`	`he said that I need to be able to communicate over serial`
`16:33.15`	`MatBee_`	`however i dont believe microusb for my device does serial over USB Data +/-`
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`16:33.50`	`phh`	`hu`
`16:33.58`	`phh`	`you're sure it's microusb not ext-usb ?`
`16:34.02`	`phh`	`how pins are there ? :p`
`16:34.07`	`MatBee_`	`yep 5`
`16:34.16`	`MatBee_`	`its microusb on my phone :P`
`16:34.37`	`phh`	`and you don't need serial for what's left to do anyway`
`16:34.43`	`MatBee_`	`oh`
`16:35.05`	`phh`	`serial is for you've almost nothing working`
`16:35.12`	`phh`	`+when`
`16:35.15`	`MatBee_`	`yeah`
`16:35.22`	`MatBee_`	`ok`
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`16:57.19`	`MxxCon`	`hmm EGOvoruhk's assemble of android 2.01 seem to be working better`
`16:57.32`	`MxxCon`	`i can make nad recieve calls`
`16:58.02`	`MxxCon`	`no data`
`16:58.45`	`phh`	`what are you talking about ?`
`16:59.14`	`MxxCon`	`android on sprint touch pro2`
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`17:00.12`	`phh`	`i should try eclair on my diamond one day.`
`17:04.10`	`GregLem`	`phh : hi, quick question for you`
`17:04.16`	`phh`	`yup ?`
`17:04.41`	`GregLem`	`phh: do you use a special defconfig for your diamond or do you set your config from scratch?`
`17:04.56`	`phh`	`htc_msm_android_defconfig`
`17:05.32`	`GregLem`	`phh : ok, i tried the htcdiamond_android_defconfig but it does not seem so good`
`17:05.50`	`phh`	`mmm i think it should work, but i didn't try it for ages`
`17:06.10`	`GregLem`	`phh : it's ok, I'll just stick to htc_msm_android_defconfig`
`17:06.53`	`GregLem`	`phh: Also, who is responsible for generating the initr.gz when booting angstrom`
`17:07.12`	`phh`	`you ? :p`
`17:07.20`	`phh`	`he angstrom I have is in an initramfs by himself`
`17:08.11`	`GregLem`	`so you need to build a initrd.gz on you own. Does not seem straightforward to me`
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`17:08.50`	`phh`	`android build's initrd.gz are easy to understand, and you'll need little (or no) modification to use it`
`17:09.30`	`GregLem`	`phh : ok so just tuning a prebuilt android initrd.droid.cpio.gz should do the trick`
`17:09.38`	`phh`	`yes`
`17:09.43`	`GregLem`	`phh: tx`
`17:09.44`	`phh`	`it's just a busybox + an init script`
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`17:28.01`	`YellowGTO\|Nix`	`Anymore luck with the TP2?`
`17:33.15`	`MatBee_`	`brrr`
`17:34.14`	`phh`	`MatBee_: ?`
`17:35.53`	`phh`	`haha`
`17:35.56`	`phh`	`i love nexus splashscreen`
`17:36.01`	`MatBee_`	`cold`
`17:36.14`	`phh`	`MatBee_: <-20Â°C ?`
`17:36.14`	`MatBee_`	`some guy just ranted for about 20 minutes while me and a coworker were eating lunch`
`17:36.27`	`MatBee_`	`yeah, its that cold outside, but its a little chilly in here`
`17:36.58`	`phh`	`lol, bootanimation eats 20% of the cpu -_-`
`17:37.16`	`MatBee_`	`thats awesome`
`17:37.27`	`MatBee_`	`i want to see a badass splash screen`
`17:37.45`	`phh`	`E/keystore( 258): chdir: /data/misc/keystore: Permission denied`
`17:37.53`	`MatBee_`	`as long as its only 20% for about 5 seconds`
`17:37.54`	`phh`	`I can see that the old bugs I fixed ages ago are still here. great.`
`17:38.04`	`MatBee_`	`someone resurrected them :P`
`17:38.10`	`phh`	`it has been running for more than one minute`
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`17:41.18`	`WM-Sef`	`@tmzt Hi :)`
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`17:53.21`	`MatBee_`	`phh, do you work on this fulltime? :P`
`17:53.40`	`phh`	`not at all`
`17:53.57`	`phh`	`else I had have android for weeks :p`
`17:54.04`	`MatBee_`	`lol`
`17:54.22`	`MatBee_`	`BUH SOME BASTARDS AT THE OFFICE GOT SWISS CHALET`
`17:54.25`	`MatBee_`	`AND DIDNT ASK ME`
`17:54.29`	`MatBee_`	`braaaaaaaaah`
`17:54.35`	`phh`	`"got" ?`
`17:54.40`	`MatBee_`	`ordered`
`17:55.12`	`MatBee_`	`i just ate a blande turkey sandwich`
`17:58.15`	`MxxCon`	`shh. i'm sitting here drooling`
`17:58.21`	`phh`	`GregLem: any advance in camera or gps ?`
`17:58.27`	`MatBee_`	`lol`
`17:58.41`	`MatBee_`	`i have a tuna wrap here if u want it`
`17:58.46`	`phh`	`(i'm asking, just in case)`
`17:59.14`	`phh`	`and i want cr2 back :(`
`18:00.14`	`MxxCon`	`tuna is for hippies. i want black caviar`
`18:00.41`	`MatBee_`	`ahaha`
`18:00.46`	`MatBee_`	`disgusting`
`18:00.53`	`MatBee_`	`you disgust me MxxCon`
`18:00.55`	`MatBee_`	`:D`
`18:04.35`	`MxxCon`	`thank you, i do my best`
`18:05.11`	`MxxCon`	`and while eating black caviar, i'll go buy the necky`
`18:05.21`	`MxxCon`	`"A Smaller, Stupider Snuggie For Your Neck"`
`18:06.28`	`MatBee_`	`LOL`
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`19:25.36`	`phh`	`baaaahhhhhh`
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`19:30.38`	`Battousai`	`abi incompatible?`
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`19:32.00`	`phh`	`Battousai: no, i rebuilt it`
`19:32.08`	`Battousai`	`ok`
`19:33.29`	`phh`	`hum, the one getting killed is the kernel, not ARM9`
`19:33.54`	`phh`	`argh`
`19:34.03`	`phh`	`right they broke sound.`
`19:36.34`	`phh`	`sounds cool.`
`19:37.32`	`phh`	`hum no, it's not somewhere in their code`
`19:37.32`	`phh`	`wth.`
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`19:37.48`	`ward-`	`is there currently any device supported that can run android, but also debian?`
`19:38.17`	`phh`	`depends which features you need`
`19:38.34`	`phh`	`and if you don't worry having to package things yourself`
`19:38.35`	`ward-`	`debian and its giant repositories`
`19:38.43`	`MatBee_`	`lol`
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`19:39.02`	`ward-`	`lol let me explain`
`19:39.04`	`MatBee_`	`i wouldnt mind debian if i could just make my own WM and all my phone features worked`
`19:39.13`	`ward-`	`i used to have a pocket loox 720 running debian trough haret`
`19:40.27`	`ward-`	`and i'm looking for something to replace it with`
`19:40.33`	`ward-`	`since its screen is broken`
`19:40.48`	`ward-`	`so i was thinking why not get a phone this time, preferably with gps aswell`
`19:41.19`	`MatBee_`	`debian would be pretty hot`
`19:41.22`	`ward-`	`everything worked on it, wifi, bluetooth, framebuffer, usb host, ...`
`19:41.35`	`ward-`	`touchscreen`
`19:41.50`	`ward-`	`well you dont need to make your own WM :p`
`19:41.54`	`ward-`	`you can use matchbox`
`19:42.03`	`ward-`	`i used fluxbox aswell`
`19:42.08`	`ward-`	`and even gnome just to try`
`19:42.17`	`MatBee_`	`nah i wouldnt want something that looks like a desktop`
`19:42.26`	`ward-`	`oddasionally its nice`
`19:42.29`	`ward-`	`occasionally`
`19:42.35`	`ward-`	`its nice you can choose`
`19:42.41`	`ward-`	`howver matchbox is not like a desktop`
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`19:42.55`	`ward-`	`matchbox is made for small screens and makes most applications pretty usable`
`19:43.35`	`MatBee_`	`yeah if i could atleast have sms/data/talk working, id definite try debian`
`19:43.49`	`ward-`	`well the pda didnt have any gsm stuff so`
`19:43.55`	`MatBee_`	`yeah`
`19:44.03`	`ward-`	`it was mainly to mess under linux`
`19:44.13`	`ward-`	`if i really needed to be productive most of the time i used windows mobile`
`19:44.19`	`MatBee_`	`yeah`
`19:44.24`	`ward-`	`but still the messing with it was SO nice`
`19:44.24`	`MatBee_`	`hense haret`
`19:44.30`	`ward-`	`runing kismet on it for instance`
`19:44.37`	`ward-`	`really fantastic`
`19:44.56`	`ward-`	`so no debian yet for any HTC devices?`
`19:45.05`	`MatBee_`	`phh was saying something about ubuntu i think?`
`19:45.06`	`ward-`	`what do you guys have working atm?`
`19:45.16`	`ward-`	`ubuntu would obvousely be good too :)`
`19:45.17`	`phh`	`ward-: any android device can do that`
`19:45.25`	`ward-`	`phh, yes with chroot`
`19:45.28`	`phh`	`not only`
`19:45.41`	`phh`	`you can also boot it`
`19:45.50`	`ward-`	`the website for that project was down :(`
`19:45.58`	`ward-`	`do you know something about it?`
`19:46.07`	`ward-`	`i assumed it was primitive and they quit developing it`
`19:46.11`	`ward-`	`since the website was down`
`19:46.42`	`ward-`	`and in #android they told me android drivers wont work on any linux etc etc`
`19:46.47`	`ward-`	`its android specific they said iirc`
`19:46.53`	`ward-`	`was a little earlyer today...`
`19:46.59`	`ward-`	`also the people there are REALLY OVER THE TOP arrogant`
`19:47.27`	`ward-`	`they said it was a STUPID QUESTION to ask if i could boot any other distros on a android device`
`19:47.29`	`phh`	`afaik, what won't work is gps`
`19:47.35`	`phh`	`and well, i think that's it`
`19:47.42`	`phh`	`still you'll need to do some work`
`19:47.44`	`ward-`	`i woouldnt mind that`
`19:47.52`	`MatBee_`	`lol, stupid question to think a linux based distro would work the same as another linux based distro?`
`19:47.53`	`phh`	`don't know for usb host`
`19:48.11`	`phh`	`MatBee_: GNU/Linux vs GNU/Linux yes`
`19:48.14`	`phh`	`android vs GNU/Linux no`
`19:48.16`	`ward-`	`MatBee_, an op even said that lol`
`19:48.24`	`MatBee_`	`yeah`
`19:48.26`	`ward-`	`strange deranged people there`
`19:48.41`	`MatBee_`	`but it's still linux based, just doesnt follow gnu guidelines`
`19:48.51`	`ward-`	`then android == evil`
`19:48.54`	`phh`	`MatBee_: and some proprietary drivers.`
`19:48.59`	`MatBee_`	`yeah`
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`19:49.23`	`itchy8me`	`*nods`
`19:49.30`	`ward-`	`the best option to run linux seems to be the N900 or allmost any windows mobile phone`
`19:49.31`	`ward-`	`lol`
`19:49.31`	`phh`	`ward-: sound is tricky to get working (eh leviathan\|away ! :p ), but apart from that, it should be right`
`19:49.54`	`ward-`	`phh, any links about that or someting?`
`19:50.01`	`phh`	`#htc-linux ? :p`
`19:50.20`	`ward-`	`lol ah you mean it like that`
`19:50.24`	`ward-`	`sorry i misunderstood you`
`19:50.32`	`ward-`	`so this is for all devices what you say?`
`19:50.38`	`phh`	`well no`
`19:50.41`	`ward-`	`aha`
`19:50.45`	`phh`	`msm7xxx based`
`19:50.49`	`phh`	`I don't know for others`
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`19:50.55`	`ward-`	`which ones are that if you happen to know`
`19:50.57`	`phh`	`oh and 3D chip won't work`
`19:51.14`	`phh`	`ward-: leviathan\|away and GNUtoo are heavily working on dream afaik`
`19:51.36`	`phh`	`msm72xx even`
`19:51.44`	`ward-`	`and what currently works from the msm72xx devices?`
`19:51.45`	`phh`	`75xx is another story`
`19:51.55`	`ward-`	`im not familiar with the chipsets yet`
`19:52.01`	`phh`	`depends on the devices`
`19:52.03`	`ward-`	`ive been researching the intire day lol`
`19:52.09`	`ward-`	`yesterday evening aswell`
`19:52.17`	`phh`	`but wifi, bluetooth, usb slave, framebuffer, touchscreen, buttons, trackball, phone, data connection should work`
`19:53.13`	`ward-`	`phh, but now can any of these run debian?`
`19:53.23`	`phh`	`just flash it`
`19:53.39`	`ward-`	`with haret...`
`19:53.40`	`phh`	`or on sdcard with fastbook trick`
`19:53.52`	`ward-`	`i mean just with haret`
`19:53.58`	`ward-`	`i dont mind booting troigh windoze mobile`
`19:54.12`	`phh`	`windows mobile on android devices ?`
`19:54.16`	`MatBee_`	`lol`
`19:54.21`	`MatBee_`	`phh got lost :P`
`19:54.24`	`phh`	`yes.`
`19:54.26`	`ward-`	`lol ah ok now you are talking about android devices :)`
`19:54.35`	`phh`	`well it's quite the same for wince devices`
`19:54.53`	`ward-`	`aha, is there something similar like haret for android then?`
`19:55.01`	`ward-`	`lol i allready got more info about android here then in #android`
`19:55.20`	`MatBee_`	`If I could boot debian on my treo, i'd be a happy camper`
`19:55.26`	`phh`	`ward-: fastboot`
`19:55.31`	`phh`	`MatBee_: oh you can`
`19:55.39`	`ward-`	`phh, so fastboot is something similar?`
`19:55.42`	`ward-`	`like haret`
`19:55.47`	`ward-`	`man thats SO cool`
`19:55.51`	`phh`	`ward-: if you're familiar with linux on desktop, it's kexec`
`19:56.11`	`ward-`	`im familiar with linux on a desktop but i dont think i ever heard of kexec`
`19:56.20`	`ward-`	`not familiar enouigh i'm guessing :p`
`19:56.37`	`MatBee_`	`so its like the windows rom update utility?`
`19:56.49`	`phh`	`MatBee_: not at all`
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`19:56.53`	`phh`	`it's like haret`
`19:56.54`	`ward-`	`if its anythling like haret then no`
`19:57.06`	`MatBee_`	`i just google'd fastboot and it come up with flashing and such`
`19:57.07`	`ward-`	`it will reboot your device, and boot what you choose`
`19:57.09`	`phh`	`+ it can read the zImage from the computer`
`19:57.32`	`phh`	`it doesn't reboot the device, but that's another story`
`19:57.44`	`MatBee_`	`ho hum`
`19:57.44`	`ward-`	`ah ok, i read it reboots`
`19:57.49`	`ward-`	`and it allways seems to reboot`
`19:57.52`	`ward-`	`at least on my pda`
`19:57.53`	`phh`	`MatBee_: you want ubuntu ? :p`
`19:58.04`	`MatBee_`	`yep`
`19:58.22`	`MatBee_`	`or just debian with gnome:P`
`19:58.35`	`phh`	`http://dl.free.fr/pZz3EKnxs`
`19:58.35`	`MatBee_`	`it'd go well with my 16gb internal storage`
`19:58.38`	`phh`	`download that`
`19:58.43`	`ward-`	`i wouldnt recommend gnome lol`
`19:59.11`	`MatBee_`	`127mb, its a big one ;P`
`19:59.22`	`GNUtoo`	`ward-, hi what did you want to know?`
`20:00.12`	`phh`	`MatBee_: it's ubuntu :p`
`20:00.24`	`MatBee_`	`that's alot of stripping`
`20:00.30`	`MatBee_`	`whats the window manager?`
`20:00.52`	`phh`	`gnome`
`20:00.55`	`phh`	`or lxde ?`
`20:00.56`	`MatBee_`	`ah`
`20:00.57`	`phh`	`don't rember :D`
`20:01.03`	`MatBee_`	`easy enough to change`
`20:01.11`	`phh`	`yeah... no...`
`20:01.14`	`MatBee_`	`LOL`
`20:01.57`	`MatBee_`	`Is there an issue with modules/files on linux as well?`
`20:03.02`	`phh`	`uh ?`
`20:03.07`	`MatBee_`	`i suppose not`
`20:03.17`	`phh`	`which issue are you talking about ?`
`20:03.26`	`phh`	`you mean the need of having modules-xxxx.tar.gz file ?`
`20:03.34`	`MatBee_`	`no`
`20:03.52`	`MatBee_`	`windows mobile and android both have to balance system modules and files, right?`
`20:04.11`	`MatBee_`	`what is kept in memory, and what is stored`
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`20:04.22`	`phh`	`I still don't get it.`
`20:04.29`	`MatBee_`	`nm then i guess theres no issue`
`20:05.07`	`MatBee_`	`35k, your france storage is blazingly fast`
`20:05.13`	`phh`	`pcchhh`
`20:05.28`	`MatBee_`	`i dont think i could keep up these speeds here at work`
`20:05.31`	`MatBee_`	`;P`
`20:05.50`	`phh`	`I have 1.5MB/s download and 100kB/s upload`
`20:05.57`	`phh`	`but this cache server is blazingly fast`
`20:06.03`	`MatBee_`	`on free.fr?`
`20:06.11`	`phh`	`anyway, once you got and extracted it`
`20:06.15`	`phh`	`rename ubuntuarm.img to ubuntu.img`
`20:06.21`	`MatBee_`	`ok`
`20:06.22`	`phh`	`change the startup.txt and zImage`
`20:06.30`	`phh`	`ubuntu.img has to be in the root of the sdcard`
`20:06.34`	`MatBee_`	`ok`
`20:06.56`	`phh`	`btw, the extracted file is 900MB`
`20:07.00`	`MatBee_`	`oh shi`
`20:07.03`	`phh`	`you might want to make some room on your card :p`
`20:07.08`	`MatBee_`	`yeah ive got plenty space`
`20:07.16`	`phh`	`not like me then`
`20:07.23`	`MatBee_`	`im only using 8gb for music`
`20:07.32`	`MatBee_`	`sooo i guess thats 8gb for linux and android eh? :P`
`20:07.38`	`phh`	`groumpf`
`20:07.43`	`phh`	`Why didn't I get a raphael.`
`20:07.51`	`ward-`	`GNUtoo, sorry i was out for a smoke`
`20:08.19`	`ward-`	`GNUtoo, if there's any HTC that can both boot android and debian (or ubuntu)`
`20:08.40`	`MatBee_`	`ubuntu is debian, so it should be able to boot np`
`20:09.35`	`ward-`	`please read again`
`20:09.36`	`phh`	`anyone has some spare htc raphael around btw ?`
`20:09.55`	`phh`	`(i'm asking just in case.)`
`20:10.04`	`MatBee_`	`isn't the vogue the closest in booting winmo + android?`
`20:10.05`	`ward-`	`phh, they seem to get sold second hand really cheap`
`20:10.14`	`phh`	`not here`
`20:10.19`	`phh`	`the lowest i can find is >100â¬`
`20:10.23`	`GNUtoo`	`ward-, we booted SHR but you should talk with leviathan\|away`
`20:10.29`	`ward-`	`here 125 for one without any scratches etc`
`20:10.34`	`ward-`	`and 50 for one thats heavily used`
`20:10.40`	`phh`	`ward-: i don't call that "really cheap" :p`
`20:10.45`	`MatBee_`	`lol`
`20:10.48`	`GNUtoo`	`ward-, because he had nearly everything working but alsa(they had a custom sound system)`
`20:10.49`	`ward-`	`GNUtoo, whats SHR please`
`20:10.58`	`phh`	`ward-: an openmoko distribution`
`20:11.01`	`MatBee_`	`i paid $50 for mine............. on my 3yr contract lol`
`20:11.05`	`ward-`	`ah yes nice`
`20:11.13`	`phh`	`MatBee_: 3 years ? huhu`
`20:11.19`	`MatBee_`	`2 more years left too`
`20:11.24`	`phh`	`ouch`
`20:11.25`	`ward-`	`GNUtoo, did SHR actually support calling etc aswell?`
`20:11.31`	`MatBee_`	`thankfully i have a replacement plan`
`20:11.32`	`phh`	`MatBee_: it already hurts a lot I guess ? :p`
`20:11.36`	`GNUtoo`	`ward-, yes there were some issues but yes`
`20:11.36`	`MatBee_`	`i can destroy it and i get a new one`
`20:11.40`	`phh`	`bah`
`20:11.44`	`MatBee_`	`hahaha`
`20:11.51`	`MatBee_`	`ive replaced it already actually`
`20:11.51`	`phh`	`I have no subscription`
`20:11.53`	`phh`	`that's easier.`
`20:11.57`	`ward-`	`GNUtoo, anyone tried getting maemo to work? lol`
`20:12.01`	`phh`	`(and used to be cheaper.)`
`20:12.01`	`ward-`	`that would be epic`
`20:12.09`	`phh`	`ward-: ~= Mer no ?`
`20:12.18`	`ali1234`	`people have got mer to work, yes`
`20:12.25`	`GNUtoo`	`ward-, did you read that: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo`
`20:12.29`	`ward-`	`yeah maybe i dunno much about mer yet`
`20:12.29`	`ali1234`	`for a certain value of "work"`
`20:12.45`	`phh`	`I got Mer "working" on my phone too`
`20:12.49`	`ward-`	`GNUtoo, no someone gave me another link earlyer i didnt see this one`
`20:12.51`	`ward-`	`yt`
`20:12.53`	`ward-`	`yet`
`20:12.54`	`phh`	`even with wifi ! :p`
`20:12.59`	`GNUtoo`	`ok`
`20:13.11`	`ward-`	`yeah my loox 720 had wifi and bluetooth and everything too :)`
`20:13.11`	`ali1234`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer too`
`20:13.16`	`ward-`	`i guess im pretty spoiled lol`
`20:13.56`	`GregLem`	`phh: I can't make a homebuilt zImage to run on my Diamond, can you help me?`
`20:14.07`	`phh`	`GregLem: sure, what's the problem ?`
`20:14.31`	`GregLem`	`phh: it just crashes right away when I launch it with Haret.`
`20:14.45`	`phh`	`GregLem: with the htc_msm_android_defconfig ?`
`20:14.52`	`GregLem`	`phh: yes`
`20:14.56`	`phh`	`and what do you mean with crashes ?`
`20:15.09`	`GregLem`	`phh: the phone, vibrates, then hangs`
`20:15.30`	`phh`	`a,d you changed nothing to the config ?`
`20:15.39`	`GregLem`	`phh: what git branch should I use?`
`20:15.46`	`phh`	`htc-msm-2.6.27`
`20:15.58`	`phh`	`if you want to work on camera it's htc-msm-2.6.27-camera`
`20:16.05`	`phh`	`but this one kills the kernel really soon`
`20:16.15`	`GregLem`	`phh: I actually built my crashing kernel from the camera branch`
`20:16.24`	`phh`	`anyway it should still works as is`
`20:16.26`	`GregLem`	`phh: so I gues that's the problem`
`20:16.30`	`phh`	`unless you activated mt9t013 in kernel config`
`20:16.34`	`GNUtoo`	`ward-, sorry I forgetten: gps,3d,camera don't work`
`20:16.53`	`phh`	`GNUtoo: I think camera should work, there are some v4l drivers available`
`20:16.53`	`GNUtoo`	`ward-, but I don't consider them as esential`
`20:17.01`	`phh`	`GregLem: well first try htc-msm-2.6.27`
`20:17.12`	`ward-`	`GNUtoo, i do but i dont mind rebooting when i need my GPS etc`
`20:17.15`	`GNUtoo`	`phh, with the kernel I had it didn't ...there were some ugly things in dmesg but I bet pavel got it working`
`20:17.18`	`GregLem`	`phh: alright, I'll start iver from there`
`20:17.23`	`ward-`	`i would use mer as a secondary OS`
`20:17.27`	`MatBee_`	`gps and camera are pretty high priority tho :P`
`20:17.45`	`ward-`	`camera would be cool`
`20:17.47`	`MatBee_`	`else we just have touchscreen dumbphones lol`
`20:17.49`	`ward-`	`for timelapses etc`
`20:18.06`	`phh`	`MatBee_: it already does a lot more than windows mobile imho`
`20:18.35`	`MatBee_`	`yeah, sometimes i really feel like snapping a quick photo though, although gps is no big deal breaker`
`20:19.12`	`phh`	`well, the only reason I want camera is for hightened (or something like that:p) reality`
`20:19.14`	`MatBee_`	`sadly my phone may never recieve camera support, unless it's the same as one of the others`
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`20:19.34`	`MatBee_`	`phh, you dont get pics of your ladies? :P`
`20:19.40`	`phh`	`my ladies ?`
`20:19.43`	`phh`	`which one ? :p`
`20:19.46`	`MatBee_`	`the girls you take home`
`20:19.52`	`MatBee_`	`all of them`
`20:19.52`	`phh`	`yeah... there are none.`
`20:20.00`	`WM-Sef`	`wehere is tmzt?`
`20:20.00`	`MatBee_`	`hmm`
`20:20.08`	`MatBee_`	`come to canada, they love geeky french guys`
`20:20.28`	`WM-Sef`	`I want a girl too :p`
`20:20.32`	`phh`	`MatBee_: first, i have finish my studies :p`
`20:20.33`	`ward-`	`haha`
`20:20.34`	`MatBee_`	`girls absolutely adore geeks here`
`20:20.44`	`ward-`	`MatBee_, wow where do you live lol`
`20:20.58`	`ward-`	`girls avoid geeks over here`
`20:20.59`	`MatBee_`	`toronto area`
`20:21.09`	`phh`	`MatBee_: I hope they are contagious :p`
`20:21.11`	`MatBee_`	`especially girls around art schools`
`20:21.25`	`ward-`	`artists are openminded`
`20:21.27`	`ward-`	`some at least`
`20:21.30`	`MatBee_`	`yeah`
`20:21.46`	`ward-`	`it also goes well togethe`
`20:21.48`	`MatBee_`	`although i met my lady at work, and shes an anthropologist so shes a geek as well`
`20:21.51`	`MatBee_`	`geeks <3`
`20:21.57`	`ward-`	`artistic stuff and geeky stuff like linux etc`
`20:22.11`	`phh`	`anthropologist ? you mean like the woman in Bones TV show ? :p`
`20:22.15`	`MatBee_`	`yep`
`20:22.18`	`MatBee_`	`haha`
`20:23.04`	`ward-`	`some people consider code art too`
`20:23.08`	`WM-Sef`	`what's the channel for MerPhone?`
`20:23.10`	`MatBee_`	`they're drunk`
`20:23.21`	`MatBee_`	`Mer? like Sea?`
`20:23.21`	`ward-`	`but a lot of artists are fashion victems`
`20:23.23`	`phh`	`ward-: and my father's code is abstract art.`
`20:23.28`	`ward-`	`phh, lol`
`20:23.28`	`phh`	`noone understand it.`
`20:23.31`	`MatBee_`	`hahaha`
`20:23.50`	`MatBee_`	`public abstract void phh() {`
`20:24.37`	`ward-`	`fertilize(wife);`
`20:24.43`	`ward-`	`waitNineMonths();`
`20:24.46`	`ward-`	`}`
`20:24.53`	`MatBee_`	`abort`
`20:24.55`	`MatBee_`	`abort`
`20:24.57`	`MatBee_`	`;`
`20:24.58`	`ward-`	`lol`
`20:25.09`	`MatBee_`	`goto bailout;`
`20:25.25`	`MatBee_`	`im out of scope :(`
`20:25.58`	`WM-Sef`	`tmzt: I'm working on a port of Mer (based on Maemo 5) to the Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2 which I'm currently calling Merphone.`
`20:26.15`	`WM-Sef`	`do any of you guys know?`
`20:27.13`	`GNUtoo`	`MatBee_, abort only work in anormal conditions?`
`20:28.20`	`MatBee_`	`30 minutes left of ubuntu download, and 30 minutes left of work`
`20:28.24`	`MatBee_`	`who'll win?`
`20:28.30`	`MatBee_`	`bus arrives in 39 minutes`
`20:28.44`	`MatBee_`	`so i have < 9 minutes to copy to my phone lol`
`20:30.11`	`phh`	`WM-Sef: I think tmzt knows`
`20:30.26`	`phh`	`MatBee_: 800MB to copy in <9minutes ?`
`20:30.40`	`phh`	`that makes 100MB/minute, 2MB/s`
`20:30.46`	`phh`	`will be tough :p`
`20:30.46`	`MatBee_`	`over activesync`
`20:30.49`	`MatBee_`	`hahaha`
`20:30.50`	`phh`	`haha`
`20:30.52`	`phh`	`you won't make it :p`
`20:30.57`	`MatBee_`	`no ill copy over the archive`
`20:31.01`	`ward-`	`MatBee_, if you got wifi then you cna copy while wealking to the bus :p`
`20:31.06`	`MatBee_`	`hah`
`20:31.11`	`MatBee_`	`I do have data`
`20:31.14`	`MatBee_`	`oO`
`20:31.15`	`ward-`	`untill you run out of range lol`
`20:31.21`	`MatBee_`	`i can run an ftp server on my phone`
`20:31.25`	`MatBee_`	`transfer from work`
`20:31.26`	`ward-`	`lol`
`20:31.34`	`ward-`	`i had a webserver on it for a while`
`20:31.35`	`phh`	`sounds a lot of fun`
`20:31.36`	`ward-`	`on my old pda`
`20:32.02`	`ward-`	`i had so much fun with that thing lol`
`20:32.31`	`ward-`	`also had a usb host, very nice`
`20:32.35`	`MatBee_`	`nice`
`20:32.41`	`MatBee_`	`external keyboard :P`
`20:32.50`	`ward-`	`i did this unemplyment course half a year back or so`
`20:33.26`	`ward-`	`it also included some cisco stuff`
`20:33.26`	`MatBee_`	`unemployment course eh?`
`20:33.26`	`MatBee_`	`put that on your resume? :P`
`20:33.27`	`ward-`	`so while the others had to use desktops to program the cisco routers i used my pda lol`
`20:36.29`	`greebear`	`does anyone here have a clue about denotational semantics with haskell?`
`20:36.33`	`greebear`	`^^`
`20:36.34`	`greebear`	`^`
`20:36.54`	`greebear`	`btw: my girls a geek too`
`20:37.21`	`MatBee_`	`yep`
`20:37.24`	`MatBee_`	`geeks rule`
`20:38.03`	`ward-`	`geek girls are rare`
`20:38.48`	`MatBee_`	`jsut goto a university`
`20:38.52`	`MatBee_`	`or art school`
`20:38.57`	`greebear`	`^^`
`20:40.29`	`ward-`	`lol im currently enrolled at a university`
`20:40.35`	`ward-`	`and i regret it a lot`
`20:40.43`	`ward-`	`schools just dont work`
`20:40.50`	`ward-`	`at least not over here in this retarded country`
`20:40.54`	`MatBee_`	`degrees do`
`20:40.57`	`MatBee_`	`which country?`
`20:41.00`	`ward-`	`yes thats the problem`
`20:41.03`	`ward-`	`belgium`
`20:41.06`	`MatBee_`	`ah`
`20:41.25`	`ward-`	`for all i care ill go collect the garbage`
`20:41.29`	`greebear`	`goto germany, not to far away`
`20:41.30`	`ward-`	`i dont even WANT a degree anymore`
`20:41.34`	`MatBee_`	`loool`
`20:41.39`	`ward-`	`i dont speak german`
`20:42.02`	`greebear`	`most of the stuff is in english (depending on what you study, but I guess its not tiermedizin)`
`20:42.12`	`ward-`	`MatBee_, really shocking crap happened to me in the passed`
`20:42.18`	`ward-`	`at belgium schools`
`20:42.32`	`ward-`	`greebear, i didnt know that`
`20:42.57`	`ward-`	`anyway im too old for it too`
`20:43.03`	`ward-`	`i just wnat a job, any job`
`20:43.11`	`ward-`	`ill keep computers for my fee timee`
`20:43.14`	`ward-`	`free`
`20:43.21`	`ward-`	`cant even find a job in a damn PC shop so...`
`20:43.39`	`ward-`	`building my own computers since i was 12, but who cares`
`20:45.23`	`ward-`	`even setup a website with mysql replication (over ssh reverse portforwarding), file synchronization of some folders with rsync, and a failover system for the dyndns domain`
`20:45.30`	`ward-`	`lol`
`20:46.10`	`ward-`	`if the first one goes down or just the webserver, the other one will notice and update dyndns to link the domain to its own ip`
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`20:46.54`	`greebear`	`problem is (as far as i know form germany): you have to have a piece of paper saying "qualified as a this and that". without this paper its pretty damn hard convincing anyone`
`20:47.12`	`ward-`	`greebear, yeah but we're talking PC shop here lol`
`20:47.18`	`ward-`	`why in godsname would they want academics :s`
`20:47.43`	`ward-`	`and not that i want to be arrogant but there are a lot of incapable academics graduating`
`20:47.59`	`greebear`	`thats true`
`20:48.01`	`MatBee_`	`D's get Degrees`
`20:48.04`	`MatBee_`	`:)`
`20:48.08`	`ward-`	`for example the federal police here had a undercover website, for undercover police to login to`
`20:48.14`	`ward-`	`and THEY FORGOT TO REMOVE THE GUESTBUTTON`
`20:48.28`	`ward-`	`some newspaper found it... writes about it`
`20:48.28`	`MatBee_`	`weird`
`20:48.47`	`ward-`	`some police spokesman: they hacked our website and we will sue themn!`
`20:49.03`	`greebear`	`hehe`
`20:49.07`	`ward-`	`i mean...`
`20:49.13`	`ward-`	`is THAT why they need academics lol?`
`20:49.30`	`ward-`	`because at the police they only hire academics (for those jobs)`
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`20:49.57`	`ward-`	`i mean, i can remove the login alltogether to make it even simpler for outsiders to get in, if thats what they want`
`20:49.57`	`ward-`	`lol`
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`20:52.02`	`greebear`	`i know now who the people are who respond to the mails saying "buy a degree now"`
`20:52.16`	`ward-`	`lol`
`20:52.16`	`MatBee_`	`hahaha`
`20:52.44`	`ward-`	`the other day oin class @ linux shell scripting`
`20:52.48`	`greebear`	`some thins can be so simple its hard to manage for some people`
`20:52.58`	`ward-`	`"sir, what is the difference between sh and bash?"`
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`20:53.08`	`ward-`	`"hmmm... good question... i got no idea"`
`20:53.14`	`ward-`	`i kid you not...`
`20:53.33`	`MatBee_`	`ahaha`
`20:53.50`	`ward-`	`thats a damn phd student`
`20:53.53`	`ward-`	`:S`
`20:54.05`	`MatBee_`	`university teaches theory`
`20:54.09`	`MatBee_`	`so its okay to be dumb`
`20:54.20`	`ward-`	`well i dont want to be part of that crap`
`20:54.35`	`MatBee_`	`ever think of becoming an international student?`
`20:54.50`	`ward-`	`impossible`
`20:54.52`	`MatBee_`	`its expensive but you get a great experience`
`20:54.58`	`greebear`	`international like what? studying in germany and fuck off to australia?`
`20:55.07`	`greebear`	`XD`
`20:55.11`	`MatBee_`	`2 minutes left`
`20:55.19`	`ward-`	`i just dont want to study anymore lol`
`20:55.25`	`ward-`	`im getting old im from 1983...`
`20:55.32`	`ward-`	`too old to study anyways`
`20:55.35`	`MatBee_`	`im 1984`
`20:55.39`	`greebear`	`hm... crap`
`20:55.40`	`MatBee_`	`i still have a year left`
`20:55.44`	`greebear`	`87`
`20:55.46`	`ward-`	`was unemployed for a few years...`
`20:55.53`	`ward-`	`now because i cant find anything i started studying again`
`20:56.01`	`MatBee_`	`im taking systems analysis and design`
`20:56.11`	`MatBee_`	`and i may take another year or 2 for a degree`
`20:56.11`	`greebear`	`computer science`
`20:56.15`	`ward-`	`you dont evne want to know what happened when i initially started studyging`
`20:56.39`	`ward-`	`you dont even have those specific choices here`
`20:56.44`	`ward-`	`its just "informatics"`
`20:57.00`	`ward-`	`and some specialisations you can choose at the last 2 years`
`20:57.44`	`ward-`	`MatBee_, you also started pretty late then i'm guessing?`
`20:57.51`	`MatBee_`	`2 years ago`
`20:57.53`	`MatBee_`	`yeah`
`20:58.03`	`MatBee_`	`no help from parents, so ive been on my own`
`20:58.33`	`ward-`	`finanacially it was no problem luckily`
`20:58.35`	`MatBee_`	`home time boys`
`20:58.37`	`ward-`	`for me`
`20:58.38`	`MatBee_`	`ttyl`
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`20:59.45`	`greebear`	`@ward-: bachelor?`
`21:00.12`	`ward-`	`greebear, if i would stop after 3 years it would be a bachelor, if i would do 5 years it would be a master`
`21:00.40`	`ward-`	`i hope i find a job lol, then i'm outta there`
`21:00.53`	`ward-`	`if not i'll keep going and try to make the best of it`
`21:01.15`	`ward-`	`x-mas vacation now so i got some time for sollicitations :)`
`21:01.17`	`greebear`	`well you can still decide after 3 years to do another 2 years for master`
`21:01.50`	`ward-`	`nah, i wouldnt do that`
`21:02.09`	`ward-`	`i intend to find work asap and if i can find any, then i quit`
`21:02.15`	`ward-`	`(with studying)`
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`21:17.58`	`googleman`	`hi all`
`21:18.08`	`ward-`	`hello`
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`21:19.00`	`googleman`	`i got new xperia x1`
`21:19.09`	`leviathan`	`ward-: hi`
`21:19.10`	`googleman`	`and i want to try linux on it`
`21:19.23`	`leviathan`	`you had questions concerning dream+SHR?`
`21:19.27`	`googleman`	`from where i can begin ?`
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`21:20.45`	`leviathan`	`ward-: I'm working on a rootfs with working wifi, sound and gui`
`21:20.50`	`leviathan`	`but sound is very tricky`
`21:21.18`	`leviathan`	`I decided to clean up the kernel from unneeded android hacking and doing the drivers new`
`21:21.21`	`ward-`	`leviathan, ah nice :)`
`21:21.41`	`leviathan`	`means, I'll use basefunctions of qdsp5-driver from the android people`
`21:21.56`	`leviathan`	`and will take it as base for an indipendent alsa-driver`
`21:22.26`	`ward-`	`leviathan, yeah someone said earlyer that osund was pretty hard`
`21:22.39`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`21:22.41`	`leviathan`	`it is`
`21:22.55`	`leviathan`	`http://gitorious.org/htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming`
`21:23.12`	`leviathan`	`is a already booting android experimental`
`21:23.15`	`leviathan`	`with wifi running`
`21:23.36`	`leviathan`	`but I would prefer to have a android free vanilla kernel booting`
`21:23.53`	`leviathan`	`because I totally dislike android`
`21:24.27`	`leviathan`	`wrong license, wrong architecture.... they didnt follow the guidlines`
`21:24.36`	`leviathan`	`they've just hacked something ugly`
`21:24.43`	`leviathan`	`which works... yes... but how?`
`21:24.51`	`leviathan`	`I'll clean it up`
`21:30.11`	`MxxCon`	`any chance of getting webos running? :)`
`21:30.35`	`phh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:30.39`	`phh`	`do we have all sources ?`
`21:30.50`	`ward-`	`leviathan, wow sounds bad`
`21:31.14`	`ward-`	`yeah @ #android they told me all the drivers and such were pretty much android only`
`21:31.19`	`ward-`	`and then i was like: huh :s`
`21:31.29`	`ward-`	`they also said my question was stupid`
`21:31.42`	`ward-`	`and the question was if i could run another linuxbased OS on a android device`
`21:32.49`	`MxxCon`	`what else is there to run?`
`21:33.12`	`ward-`	`debian!`
`21:33.12`	`ward-`	`lol`
`21:33.14`	`phh`	`mer, shr, ubuntu mid, at least`
`21:33.24`	`ward-`	`yewah lots of stuff`
`21:33.56`	`phh`	`not even talking about desktop-sized stuff which might also works`
`21:33.56`	`ward-`	`its jsut fun to mess with it, and occasionally it can be very usefull to have desktop progs handy`
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`21:35.10`	`phh`	`(i forgot many phone-oriented things, i don't know each ones)`
`21:35.51`	`ward-`	`cellwriter is a nice application btw :)`
`21:35.58`	`phh`	`bof`
`21:36.02`	`ward-`	`in case you dunno it yet`
`21:36.09`	`ward-`	`its rather unknown`
`21:36.10`	`phh`	`a virtual keyboard is way faster`
`21:36.22`	`ward-`	`yes, but its nice to have both options`
`21:36.37`	`leviathan`	`so`
`21:36.42`	`leviathan`	`I'm cleaning up the drivers`
`21:36.49`	`leviathan`	`that most of the things will work`
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`21:37.06`	`r4v3nsw0rd`	`hmm, would this be a good place to ask how to resolve an issue with my HTC Wizard (8125) that I accidentally wiped the Operating System off of during an attempt to install Android OS?`
`21:37.11`	`leviathan`	`the only way to get other distros running is making it free from android`
`21:37.24`	`leviathan`	`uhhm`
`21:37.29`	`leviathan`	`not from me`
`21:38.32`	`MxxCon`	`leviathan i don't know if you saw my post earlier today. could you guys use some of the sound stuff from rockbox project?`
`21:38.50`	`phh`	`MxxCon: uh ?`
`21:38.58`	`leviathan`	`MxxCon: hu?`
`21:39.09`	`leviathan`	`would be nice`
`21:39.14`	`leviathan`	`what kind of code?`
`21:39.47`	`ward-`	`if there's a rockbox supported device with the same sound hardware...`
`21:39.56`	`phh`	`ward-: no way`
`21:39.57`	`ward-`	`if there's not its probably not usefull`
`21:40.10`	`phh`	`I can't see any audio-dedicated device running msm :p`
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`21:40.17`	`MxxCon`	`i don't know. i could be totally off base here. but it seems like rockbox would have sound drivers and dsp code pretty polished?`
`21:40.20`	`ward-`	`i dunno, im not into these photo-thingys lol`
`21:40.27`	`ward-`	`waste of electricity`
`21:40.38`	`phh`	`ward-: uh ?`
`21:40.43`	`phh`	`what's the link with photo ?`
`21:40.58`	`ward-`	`MxxCon, there nee3ds to be a rockbox-supported device with similar or the same sound hardware, as far as i know`
`21:41.27`	`ward-`	`phh, it also runs on some of these photo-thingies`
`21:41.32`	`phh`	`ok`
`21:41.50`	`ward-`	`rockbox-supported device is the key here :p`
`21:41.57`	`MxxCon`	`but that's what i'm saying..maybe there is one. i don't know hardware specifics of htc devices or everything that rockbox can run on`
`21:41.58`	`ward-`	`i should have been more clear`
`21:42.20`	`ward-`	`MxxCon, yes i understand`
`21:42.58`	`ward-`	`whats the sound hardware?`
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`21:43.40`	`phh`	`MSM72xx`
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`21:47.32`	`ward-`	`http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DeviceChart`
`21:47.33`	`ward-`	`not in here so`
`21:47.34`	`ward-`	`no luck i suppose`
`21:47.43`	`phh`	`it's not a matter of luck ...`
`21:47.57`	`phh`	`MSM socs are for full-blown phones, or maybe MIDs`
`21:48.08`	`phh`	`not for the devices that rockbox is likely to support`
`21:48.11`	`ward-`	`cant hurt to check`
`21:51.25`	`phh`	`working data connection on android 2.0 \o/`
`21:52.53`	`herpez`	`phh, data is already working on android 2.0? or still working on it?`
`21:53.04`	`phh`	`is working`
`21:53.19`	`phh`	`herpez: which board do you have ?`
`21:53.43`	`herpez`	`i have blac100 but i was asking in general and not board specific`
`21:53.54`	`phh`	`it depends on the boards :p`
`21:54.14`	`phh`	`so, next step is phone calls`
`21:55.10`	`herpez`	`and you are working in which board?`
`21:55.33`	`phh`	`diam100`
`21:55.52`	`phh`	`should work also on blac/raph, maybe even on rhod who knows`
`21:56.36`	`herpez`	`sure.`
`21:56.44`	`phh`	`now i have to remember the name of my SIP client.`
`21:56.51`	`herpez`	`and about the sound, any news on those boards?`
`21:57.15`	`phh`	`one things at a time :p`
`21:57.25`	`phh`	`i'll try to make usable 2.0 for christmas :p`
`21:57.58`	`phh`	`is looking at his organisation for the next three days`
`21:58.03`	`phh`	`will be kind of short.`
`21:58.09`	`herpez`	`sure, i think that the 3 most imp things are sound, data and at last backlight off when sleep`
`21:58.52`	`phh`	`can't help for backlight off :/`
`22:00.09`	`herpez`	`np, even in 1.6 was never working so i guess it will take longer than sound and data because those worked on 1.6. lets see...`
`22:00.20`	`herpez`	`and wait for cristhmas to have a release (maybe)`
`22:00.49`	`ward-`	`leviathan, is there any URL for your project?`
`22:01.06`	`leviathan`	`uhmm`
`22:01.08`	`leviathan`	`not yet`
`22:01.15`	`leviathan`	`I'm still fixing bootup issues`
`22:01.25`	`leviathan`	`the framebuffer needs to get initialised`
`22:01.41`	`leviathan`	`but its not so easy, because I first need to trace pmem`
`22:01.50`	`leviathan`	`and do it without androids pmem`
`22:02.12`	`ward-`	`ah ok, i was thinking maybe you got a page or something with updates, i could bookmark`
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`22:03.01`	`ward-`	`the framebuffer on my old pocket loox 720 was working but when we enabled wifi aswell the screen was messing up a bit lol`
`22:03.21`	`ward-`	`the mess seemed to quit when the touchscreen was being touched haha`
`22:03.24`	`ward-`	`really strange`
`22:08.56`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`22:09.04`	`leviathan`	`anyway... it will take some time`
`22:09.08`	`leviathan`	`but I'm working on it`
`22:09.27`	`leviathan`	`as soon as I got screen working, I'll upload to vanilla-upstream-tracking`
`22:09.32`	`leviathan`	`on gitorious`
`22:09.45`	`ward-`	`where's that?`
`22:09.51`	`leviathan`	`uhhhm`
`22:09.53`	`ward-`	`(i'm new)`
`22:10.13`	`leviathan`	`http://gitorious.org/replicant/vanilla-tracking-gnulinux`
`22:10.22`	`leviathan`	`but for now its empty`
`22:10.35`	`leviathan`	`as you can read`
`22:10.39`	`ward-`	`yeah ok :)`
`22:10.44`	`ward-`	`i dont have a phone yet anyway`
`22:10.49`	`ward-`	`just researching on what to buy`
`22:10.58`	`leviathan`	`android driver writers are not really working together with GNU people`
`22:11.06`	`leviathan`	`so I do not write code for android`
`22:11.12`	`leviathan`	`if it doesnt work for them`
`22:11.14`	`leviathan`	`bad luck`
`22:11.22`	`ward-`	`yeah, i dont really like the whole idea either`
`22:11.25`	`ward-`	`it would be nice to use it though`
`22:11.43`	`ward-`	`but in the first place i would want to use any linux distro i want`
`22:11.52`	`ward-`	`and i like debian most`
`22:12.24`	`ward-`	`so i dont really care all that much about running android, but it would be nice`
`22:12.39`	`ward-`	`i dont really see why i should choose android if there are no benifits to it using linux`
`22:12.53`	`ward-`	`then i would rather choose a windoze mobile phone that can boot linux with haret`
`22:13.01`	`googleman`	`how i do start linux on xperia x1 ?`
`22:13.29`	`ward-`	`so is there any accurate list with whats supported by what hardware?`
`22:13.43`	`leviathan`	`googleman: uhhm`
`22:13.47`	`leviathan`	`wait`
`22:14.01`	`googleman`	`?`
`22:14.20`	`phh`	`they didn't break sensors, cool`
`22:14.22`	`googleman`	`i'm newbie`
`22:14.26`	`ward-`	`http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=456595`
`22:14.33`	`ward-`	`googleman, google gave me that link :p`
`22:14.57`	`phh`	`ward-: you could have used bing, that would have been funier`
`22:14.58`	`ward-`	`http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4206618`
`22:15.00`	`ward-`	`that one actually`
`22:15.28`	`ward-`	`lol i didnt even know bing`
`22:15.36`	`leviathan`	`lol`
`22:15.43`	`leviathan`	`wanted to do the same`
`22:15.48`	`leviathan`	`http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541002`
`22:16.57`	`ward-`	`yes i was guessing that :p`
`22:17.51`	`ward-`	`is there any accurate list with whats supported by what hardware?`
`22:20.08`	`phh`	`kernel source? :p`
`22:22.00`	`leviathan`	`lol`
`22:22.10`	`leviathan`	`ok, on htcdream you can surv`
`22:22.15`	`leviathan`	`make phonecalls`
`22:22.28`	`leviathan`	`and play games like sudoku`
`22:22.34`	`leviathan`	`played one`
`22:22.44`	`leviathan`	`but sound doesnt work yet properly`
`22:22.46`	`herpez`	`is the hardw similar between Xperia X1 and Blackstone?`
`22:22.53`	`leviathan`	`dunno`
`22:23.14`	`leviathan`	`I havent either a blackstone nor a xperia`
`22:23.25`	`herpez`	`ok , thks`
`22:24.17`	`zycho`	`is there no terminal app in android 2.0.1 builds?`
`22:25.03`	`herpez`	`zycho, put better terminal in the apps folder`
`22:25.08`	`ward-`	`lol the kernel source is also the source for information about on what hardware it runs?`
`22:25.15`	`phh`	`zycho: there is`
`22:25.17`	`phh`	`in dev tools iirc`
`22:25.18`	`ward-`	`the word source is redefined :p`
`22:27.38`	`zycho`	`cant find :<`
`22:32.00`	`phh`	`bah search better :p`
`22:32.45`	`leviathan`	`find arch/ \| less`
`22:32.46`	`leviathan`	`:P`
`22:33.25`	`phh`	`:-)`
`22:34.26`	`ward-`	`if there's no list: can someone please tell me the best supported devices at the moment?`
`22:34.35`	`ward-`	`liek the best 3 or something`
`22:34.46`	`phh`	`my desktop ? :p`
`22:35.03`	`ward-`	`so tell me the contents of your desktop :p`
`22:37.59`	`leviathan`	`ward-: http://pastebin.com/m2d02b7cc`
`22:38.01`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`22:38.28`	`leviathan`	`but not very mobile... you know?`
`22:38.42`	`ward-`	`lol i thought you meant you had the best supported devices on your desktop...`
`22:38.52`	`phh`	`lol no`
`22:38.52`	`ward-`	`your physical desktop`
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`22:39.05`	`phh`	`ward-: you might go for omap devices`
`22:39.22`	`al1997111`	`hi`
`22:39.22`	`ward-`	`iieeuw AMD leviathan :p`
`22:39.33`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`22:39.35`	`leviathan`	`4 cores`
`22:39.35`	`ward-`	`phh, omap?`
`22:39.36`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`22:39.44`	`phh`	`ward-: omap.`
`22:39.45`	`phh`	`google :p`
`22:39.50`	`ward-`	`leviathan, my laptop has a Q9000 :D`
`22:39.55`	`leviathan`	`aha`
`22:40.01`	`ward-`	`also 4 cores`
`22:40.04`	`ward-`	`pretty happy with it`
`22:40.04`	`phh`	`cool, when trying to make a phone call, the system crashes in msm_rpc_call_reply`
`22:40.12`	`phh`	`one of the few functions i just don't get`
`22:40.48`	`leviathan`	`thats the reason, why I'm making a new one`
`22:41.07`	`phh`	`haha, i don't think it will be easier afterwards :p`
`22:41.10`	`leviathan`	`which makes direct methods from qdsp5-driver from alsa`
`22:41.25`	`leviathan`	`I'll just take qdsp5`
`22:41.28`	`leviathan`	`and remove rpc`
`22:41.37`	`ward-`	`ill keep omap in mind`
`22:41.38`	`leviathan`	`and make them callable by alsa`
`22:41.44`	`leviathan`	`ok`
`22:41.50`	`ward-`	`now to find out what htc devices use omap... lol`
`22:41.59`	`ward-`	`why is there no list of supported hardware lol`
`22:42.06`	`ward-`	`would make stuff much easyer`
`22:45.09`	`phh`	`oh i think there is no such htc device`
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`22:47.05`	`ward-`	`no htc device supported by htc-linux?`
`22:47.16`	`leviathan`	`uhhm`
`22:47.20`	`ward-`	`lol`
`22:47.24`	`leviathan`	`htcdream`
`22:47.25`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`22:47.26`	`phh`	`ward-: that's not what i'm saying /o\`
`22:47.41`	`ward-`	`phh, i was assuming that yes lol`
`22:47.48`	`ward-`	`i need to use lol less`
`22:47.54`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`22:48.03`	`phh`	`and htc diamond, raphael, black,vogue,kaiser,nike, <big breah>, rhod, topaz, kvosky`
`22:48.14`	`phh`	`just the support is relative :p`
`22:48.21`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`22:48.25`	`ward-`	`yes thats why i asked for the best supported phones :p`
`22:48.28`	`leviathan`	`we are working on it`
`22:48.28`	`ward-`	`like the top 3 or something`
`22:48.37`	`leviathan`	`uhhhm`
`22:48.55`	`leviathan`	`you can use htcdream as handheld`
`22:48.55`	`leviathan`	`but it wont make sound yet`
`22:49.24`	`ward-`	`and no phonecalls i presume`
`22:49.25`	`ward-`	`since no sound`
`22:49.53`	`thedicemaster`	`phh, you missed the HTC victor`
`22:50.02`	`phh`	`thedicemaster: hu ? what's that ?`
`22:50.26`	`thedicemaster`	`the diamond with the different design and flipped buttons you so conveniently added a switch option for.`
`22:50.39`	`phh`	`ok`
`22:50.43`	`thedicemaster`	`it actually has it's own HTC codename.`
`22:50.54`	`phh`	`if we do every sub-board, it will take some time :p`
`22:51.38`	`ward-`	`sounds good though :), everything except sound`
`22:52.09`	`leviathan`	`but be warned`
`22:52.19`	`leviathan`	`its crap to install openmoko on it`
`22:52.22`	`phh`	`it's for tough men :p`
`22:52.28`	`ward-`	`haha`
`22:52.29`	`leviathan`	`okee... its already android on it`
`22:52.35`	`leviathan`	`but we want GNU/Linux >_>`
`22:52.48`	`leviathan`	`not such crappy Apache/Linux`
`22:53.02`	`ward-`	`yes i agree`
`22:53.17`	`ward-`	`personally debian is my preferance but people should be able to choose`
`22:54.38`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`22:54.49`	`leviathan`	`I just wanna GNU/Linux on the device`
`22:54.56`	`leviathan`	`especially SHR`
`22:55.02`	`leviathan`	`other distros will run as well`
`22:55.03`	`ward-`	`SHR?`
`22:55.05`	`leviathan`	`without problems`
`22:55.08`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`22:55.11`	`leviathan`	`SHR`
`22:55.16`	`leviathan`	`aka. OpenMoko :)`
`22:55.23`	`leviathan`	`Stable Hybrid Release`
`22:55.28`	`phh`	`leviathan: btw, what does your company wants to do with SHR on dream ?`
`22:56.02`	`leviathan`	`uhhm, we want to have some influence possibilities`
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`22:56.14`	`ward-`	`but if openmoko runs anybody can use the (new) drivers to roll there own kernel and everything right?`
`22:56.17`	`leviathan`	`because there are people who are ready to buy a bigger amount of these`
`22:56.26`	`leviathan`	`if its usable`
`22:56.43`	`phh`	`leviathan: ok, why the "people" wants usable SHR on dream ? :)`
`22:56.43`	`leviathan`	`SHR on freerunner I mean`
`22:56.51`	`phh`	`ah freerunner ?`
`22:57.02`	`leviathan`	`phh: usability on dream is just because I've got a dream`
`22:57.09`	`phh`	`hum ok`
`22:57.16`	`MatBee`	`phh, want to dcc me the ubuntuarm.7z?`
`22:57.20`	`leviathan`	`and I'm pissed on because of the closed parts`
`22:57.21`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`22:57.21`	`ward-`	`the freerunner is just ugly imho`
`22:57.22`	`phh`	`MatBee: no dcc`
`22:57.24`	`MatBee`	`your .fr download spot is slow as ass`
`22:57.36`	`phh`	`lol`
`22:57.38`	`MatBee`	`i didnt make in time at work :P`
`22:57.44`	`phh`	`lol bis`
`22:57.48`	`MxxCon`	`leviathan pissed on? :/`
`22:58.01`	`leviathan`	`closed parts like tiwlan or sound -.-`
`22:58.10`	`leviathan`	`thats pissing me on`
`22:58.10`	`phh`	`MatBee: how much data have you got ?`
`22:58.14`	`phh`	`leviathan: tiwlan isn't closed :p`
`22:58.17`	`phh`	`sound neither :D`
`22:58.19`	`MatBee`	`500mb`
`22:58.24`	`leviathan`	`phh: yes`
`22:58.32`	`leviathan`	`but unusable for GNU`
`22:58.40`	`MxxCon`	`usually people get pissed off..not on, but to each their own`
`22:58.43`	`phh`	`leviathan: anyway for wifi wl1251 works great`
`22:58.48`	`leviathan`	`yes`
`22:58.49`	`phh`	`power management isn't awesome but it works`
`22:58.58`	`phh`	`MatBee: you mean 62MB ?`
`22:58.58`	`zycho`	`can i use 'ubuntuarm.7z' with latest zImage?`
`22:58.58`	`leviathan`	`I've also 2.6.32 with already integrated wifi`
`22:58.59`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`22:59.10`	`phh`	`zycho: sure`
`22:59.24`	`phh`	`zycho: but wait, you're trying that too ?`
`22:59.47`	`zycho`	`yes`
`22:59.48`	`phh`	`zycho: you might have to add msm_fb.fix_x=1 to cmdline too`
`23:00.08`	`zycho`	`gnome booting well :>`
`23:00.21`	`phh`	`and then you'll discover that this thing isn't usable at all :p`
`23:00.30`	`zycho`	`but touchscreen is not usable..`
`23:00.33`	`phh`	`apt: what do you know ?`
`23:00.36`	`phh`	`apt: list`
`23:00.37`	`apt`	`one warez list being sent`
`23:00.45`	`phh`	`baah`
`23:00.51`	`MatBee`	`phh, 62mb?`
`23:00.54`	`phh`	`zycho: apt knows how to set up touchscreen, but i don't :p`
`23:01.11`	`MatBee`	`im on 5.2 of 127mb`
`23:01.17`	`MatBee`	`with 1 hour remaining`
`23:01.19`	`zycho`	`hm.. first ill try latest zImage`
`23:01.22`	`MatBee`	`at 21k/s`
`23:01.34`	`phh`	`MatBee: you only downloaded 5.2MB ?!?`
`23:01.45`	`MatBee`	`at work it finished downloading, not enough time to transfer`
`23:01.51`	`phh`	`-_-'`
`23:01.53`	`MatBee`	`haha`
`23:02.02`	`MatBee`	`6.2mb`
`23:02.04`	`phh`	`zycho: you have some fast internet upload ?`
`23:02.17`	`phh`	`if so, please upload ubuntuarm.7z somewhere fast :D`
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`23:02.27`	`zycho`	`no sorry`
`23:02.39`	`phh`	`apt: ~xfbdev`
`23:02.52`	`MatBee`	`wake up apt`
`23:02.53`	`zycho`	`i needed 2 hour for download :<`
`23:03.11`	`phh`	`ok i'll search in my history if apt isn't helpful`
`23:03.21`	`zycho`	`thanks`
`23:03.57`	`phh`	`a 237MB sqlite database ... bah`
`23:04.04`	`MatBee`	`tiny`
`23:04.06`	`thedicemaster`	`took me like 3 minutes to download i think...`
`23:04.08`	`phh`	`~tslib-xfbdev`
`23:04.08`	`apt`	`i heard tslib-xfbdev is TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/eventX ts_calibrate ; Xfbdev -mouse tslib,,device=/dev/input/eventX -keybd keybd,,device=/dev/input/eventX`
`23:04.13`	`thedicemaster`	`if my calculations are correct.`
`23:04.41`	`phh`	`thedicemaster: I don't think dl.free.fr is that fast from nl ips`
`23:04.55`	`phh`	`zycho: you have to guess the eventX by yourself :p`
`23:05.00`	`thedicemaster`	`went at 600-700kbps`
`23:05.00`	`phh`	`iirc it's 2`
`23:05.06`	`MatBee`	`why are they limiting my speed from .fr?`
`23:05.13`	`MatBee`	`this is seriously bogged down`
`23:05.24`	`MatBee`	`my average is 1.8mb/s`
`23:05.36`	`phh`	`my is 1.5mB :p`
`23:05.56`	`MatBee`	`megabytes`
`23:06.46`	`phh`	`bah`
`23:07.03`	`MatBee`	`fine, tomorrow hwen this download finishes, ill put it up somewhere WORLD FRIENDLY`
`23:07.10`	`MatBee`	`or maybe next week`
`23:07.55`	`phh`	`lol`
`23:08.05`	`phh`	`it's unusable, i can't see the point of mirroring it`
`23:08.28`	`MatBee`	`so other people can unuse their devices`
`23:09.03`	`phh`	`lol`
`23:09.16`	`aavan`	`hi`
`23:09.31`	`thedicemaster`	`it doesn't matter if you can use it as intended or not, it can always be used to show off.`
`23:10.54`	`phh`	`thedicemaster: the touchscreen isn't even usable -_-`
`23:11.06`	`phh`	`basically you can show a nice screenshot of ubuntu and that's it :p`
`23:11.18`	`phh`	`with some luck you might start lxterminal`
`23:11.21`	`phh`	`but that's it`
`23:11.39`	`MatBee`	`nice`
`23:11.53`	`MatBee`	`you need to guide me how to load up plain ole debian`
`23:12.08`	`phh`	`you need to get an arm debian`
`23:12.31`	`phh`	`put it in a loopbacked ext2 img named "ubuntu.img" and .... that's it.`
`23:13.03`	`thedicemaster`	`it's even show-off material to get an ancient copy of windows running on a psp, so slow it takes 15-30 minutes to boot.`
`23:14.19`	`phh`	`:)`
`23:14.44`	`MatBee`	`haha`
`23:15.09`	`MatBee`	`wtf is the difference between CATS And NSLU and Thecus and GLAN`
`23:15.10`	`MatBee`	`lol`
`23:15.15`	`MatBee`	`why so many branches for arm debian`
`23:15.26`	`thedicemaster`	`wonders if somehow windows 95 could run on a diamond.`
`23:15.35`	`phh`	`thedicemaster: just runs qemu or bochs`
`23:15.49`	`phh`	`google bochs windows mobile`
`23:15.53`	`phh`	`i'm pretty sure you'll get something`
`23:15.59`	`thedicemaster`	`not planning on trying.`
`23:16.23`	`phh`	`why ? :p`
`23:16.47`	`thedicemaster`	`somehow i find the idea of ubuntu running on a WM phone way more interesting than windows 95.`
`23:16.53`	`MatBee`	`yeah`
`23:17.22`	`MatBee`	`i dont really care for 'ubuntu', id be happy with X Windows, and Debian`
`23:17.38`	`thedicemaster`	`perhaps something to do with the fact that the phone is made for windows.`
`23:18.42`	`thedicemaster`	`would a megaupload link to ubuntuarm.7z do any good?`
`23:18.51`	`MatBee`	`yeah`
`23:18.58`	`MatBee`	`still 1 hour left`
`23:19.02`	`MatBee`	`lol`
`23:19.04`	`thedicemaster`	`http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U97JSYO0`
`23:19.26`	`aavan`	`phh: have you ever worked on the init script for android on htc ?`
`23:19.35`	`phh`	`aavan: yes`
`23:19.58`	`phh`	`if you see some ugly thing about wifi or modules in some rootfs.img, it's me :p`
`23:20.10`	`aavan`	`mmmh, I've stumbled on some code "Charging fix", can you tell me what that is exactly ?`
`23:20.25`	`zycho`	`can i calibrate screen manually when i cut msmts_calib= from startup?`
`23:20.33`	`phh`	`aavan: the echo 2 > ......... ?`
`23:20.36`	`MatBee`	`lol 8 mins remaining`
`23:20.42`	`leviathan`	`beats thedicemaster if he always would be able to boot windows95 on a mobile phone and also does it`
`23:20.44`	`aavan`	`yep`
`23:20.45`	`phh`	`zycho: it's not the problem for ubuntu`
`23:20.54`	`leviathan`	`:)`
`23:21.07`	`phh`	`aavan: that's another ugly thing, we just tell the ARM9 to always charge the phone`
`23:21.23`	`phh`	`but correctly.`
`23:21.24`	`leviathan`	`anyway`
`23:21.29`	`leviathan`	`I'll sleep now`
`23:21.34`	`phh`	`meaning that it will stop charging when battery is full`
`23:21.37`	`leviathan`	`I seem to have some cold or so`
`23:21.45`	`leviathan`	`gn8`
`23:21.45`	`phh`	`so basically, there is no real point not to set it to 2`
`23:21.57`	`phh`	`even if wince set it to 0 when no charging device is connected`
`23:22.24`	`aavan`	`ok ok I think I'll let that in place for the time being`
`23:22.56`	`MatBee`	`www.matbee.com/francefrancefrance.png`
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`23:23.28`	`phh`	`MatBee: pcccchhh`
`23:23.31`	`MatBee`	`hahaha`
`23:23.50`	`aavan`	`matbee: are you downloading from a "free.fr" server by any chance ?`
`23:23.54`	`MatBee`	`yeah`
`23:24.00`	`MatBee`	`the bottom one`
`23:24.28`	`aavan`	`pretty annoying that they slow down all the non .fr people`
`23:24.33`	`MatBee`	`yeah`
`23:24.57`	`MatBee`	`its a waste of electricity`
`23:25.04`	`MatBee`	`im sure its costing more to filter than it is to leave it open`
`23:25.09`	`phh`	`aavan: not only the non .fr people :p`
`23:25.12`	`aavan`	`hehehe`
`23:25.22`	`phh`	`the non free.fr people`
`23:25.25`	`phh`	`MatBee: and it's buggy`
`23:25.30`	`phh`	`sometimes it filters me too.`
`23:25.35`	`aavan`	`looool`
`23:25.37`	`phh`	`but that's all I have to mirror`
`23:25.54`	`phh`	`well no some people gave me ftp access`
`23:26.05`	`aavan`	`ahlala, reminds me of these ads, cretins.fr !!! ;)`
`23:26.28`	`phh`	`lol`
`23:27.22`	`thedicemaster`	`their filter doesn't work that well i guess.`
`23:27.39`	`phh`	`don't know if it's actual filter`
`23:28.10`	`aavan`	`it's just a bunch of crap hacked together, that's what they call a filter :)`
`23:28.12`	`thedicemaster`	`if there's an actual filter it should've prevented me from downloading at 700kBps`
`23:28.20`	`thedicemaster`	`right?`
`23:28.24`	`MatBee`	`its probably port`
`23:28.32`	`phh`	`thedicemaster: maybe.`
`23:28.33`	`phh`	`who knows :p`
`23:28.37`	`MatBee`	`.se does port throttling`
`23:28.46`	`MatBee`	`any non port-80 gets throttled out of the country`
`23:29.08`	`zycho`	`if there is no msmts_calib= in startup.txt, touchscreen doesnt work also`
`23:29.16`	`zycho`	`cant calibrate it manually`
`23:30.00`	`phh`	`zycho: you have to start Xfbdev with the command I gave earlier`
`23:30.00`	`phh`	`(not easy to do, I know.)`
`23:30.03`	`zycho`	`how does this work exactly?`
`23:30.15`	`zycho`	`i am new with ubuntu and htc :>`
`23:30.15`	`phh`	`zycho: using an appropriate touchscreen Xorg driver`
`23:30.22`	`phh`	`instead of the default one which is totally wrong`
`23:30.48`	`zycho`	`do i have to start a shell in ubuntu and run this command?`
`23:31.13`	`phh`	`no, you have to modify init script`
`23:31.16`	`phh`	`don't know where :p`
`23:31.30`	`zycho`	`uh :<`
`23:32.06`	`phh`	`i'll try to make a "usable" version for christmas, if i finish android 2.0 today.`
`23:32.10`	`phh`	`will be really tough :D`
`23:32.17`	`zycho`	`hehe`
`23:32.20`	`zycho`	`very nice`
`23:33.44`	`aavan`	`phh did hero kernel code provide you a lot of new ideas ?`
`23:34.02`	`phh`	`aavan: yes`
`23:34.04`	`phh`	`but none works.`
`23:34.23`	`aavan`	`mmmh weird`
`23:35.22`	`aavan`	`I tried to figure out things in that, but I was rapidly overwhelmed by the code`
`23:35.48`	`phh`	`what I did was:`
`23:35.50`	`phh`	`diff -urX .gitignore . ~/AndroidDiamond/kernel_hero`
`23:35.55`	`phh`	`the result is only 30klines`
`23:36.03`	`phh`	`(I can give you the result)=`
`23:36.22`	`phh`	`aavan: oh well, usb worked`
`23:36.32`	`phh`	`http://husson.hd.free.fr/hero-msm4.diff`
`23:36.40`	`phh`	`differences are quite understandable`
`23:38.24`	`phh`	`and then there is the sound thing`
`23:38.28`	`phh`	`I just don't get what they did to it`
`23:39.53`	`aavan`	`you told there was also some clues for the internal clocks dealind with the camera and whatnot, IIRC, did it lead to something ?`
`23:40.02`	`phh`	`uh ?`
`23:40.05`	`phh`	`not in hero source code`
`23:40.27`	`phh`	`oh well, there is the leak wince source in it`
`23:40.37`	`phh`	`but still no advance for camera`
`23:40.52`	`phh`	`well, now camera clocks are setted up correctly at least`
`23:41.07`	`phh`	`but the kernel panic is still at the exact same code line`
`23:41.49`	`aavan`	`at least now you're sure the clocks are OK, that's true`
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`23:42.25`	`phh`	`no i'm not :p`
`23:42.30`	`MatBee`	`crazy`
`23:42.33`	`aavan`	`lol`
`23:42.34`	`MatBee`	`how long have i been gone`
`23:42.45`	`phh`	`MatBee: 14minutes`
`23:42.48`	`MatBee`	`lol`
`23:42.53`	`MatBee`	`i thought everyone just stopped talking`
`23:43.02`	`aavan`	`hehehe`
`23:43.47`	`phh`	`ARGH`
`23:43.49`	`phh`	`i hate them`
`23:44.14`	`aavan`	`oh come on, we didn't do anything phh, I promise`
`23:44.25`	`phh`	`they moved some stuff from open to closed things`
`23:44.41`	`phh`	`updating qdsp won't be easy.`
`23:45.13`	`aavan`	`qdsp ?`
`23:45.38`	`MatBee`	`i want a device with usb3`
`23:45.40`	`MatBee`	`plsthx`
`23:46.59`	`phh`	`aavan: the "thing" that does everything linked to audio`
`23:47.05`	`phh`	`and sometimes video decoding`
`23:47.23`	`aavan`	`as long as you will download on free.fr, usb1 is more than sufficient, MatBee ;)`
`23:47.26`	`phh`	`oh btw i'll have to try to setup clock to see if our phones can do h264 hardware decoding :D`
`23:47.35`	`phh`	`aavan: pccchhh`
`23:47.38`	`aavan`	`lol`
`23:47.50`	`MatBee`	`im going to go and say no it cant ;P`
`23:48.57`	`aavan`	`phh you meant adsp ?`
`23:49.08`	`MatBee`	`too bad laptops dont come with microsd readers`
`23:49.09`	`phh`	`aavan: yeah... don't know :p`
`23:49.14`	`phh`	`its driver is named qdsp`
`23:49.19`	`aavan`	`sorry I'm sometimes a bit lost in all those acronyms`
`23:50.40`	`phh`	`i'm too.`
`23:50.52`	`phh`	`I think there is qdsp and adsp which are differents`
`23:50.55`	`phh`	`but i can't say for sure`
`23:51.07`	`aavan`	`I'd love to help you phh, but my C is quite far behind me now`
`23:52.12`	`MatBee`	`who votes for a .net os?`
`23:52.17`	`phh`	`lol`
`23:52.36`	`aavan`	`lol`
`23:53.00`	`aavan`	`nah lets do it in Flash`
`23:53.03`	`aavan`	`:)`
`23:53.05`	`MatBee`	`done`
`23:53.07`	`phh`	`well this java android thing works not too badly, so .Net might work :p`
`23:53.08`	`MatBee`	`java?`
`23:53.18`	`MatBee`	`hmm`
`23:53.24`	`MatBee`	`i hate java`
`23:53.27`	`MatBee`	`hate hate hate`
`23:53.39`	`phh`	`same here.`
`23:53.59`	`MatBee`	`if .net ran faster on winmo....`
`23:54.08`	`aavan`	`well android is actually in dalvik, which is kind of portable java ;)`
`23:55.52`	`aavan`	`but well java is not that bad`
`23:56.03`	`MatBee`	`yes it is`
`23:56.13`	`MatBee`	`ive taken 2 years of java in school`
`23:56.18`	`MatBee`	`and .net blows it away`
`23:57.22`	`aavan`	`I don't know, I still have a big trust problem in .net`
`23:59.08`	`aavan`	`but it's more because of the Microsoft politics than really the framework itself`
`23:59.37`	`phh`	`MatBee: so you're having fun with ubuntu ?`

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