00:03.45 | aavan | mmmh |
00:03.58 | aavan | if you don't know what to do with it, just send it over to me |
00:04.00 | aavan | :D |
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00:49.41 | Kevin2 | zule: Hi |
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03:24.06 | ToAsTcfh | tmzt: u around |
03:24.09 | ToAsTcfh | ? |
03:24.56 | ToAsTcfh | we figured out gsensors on the hero. but its only working on the aosp builds |
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03:43.55 | stiltzkin | Alright so here's my latest endeavor. I need to push a .so file to /system/lib using adb. But I can't, because /system is mounted as a read-only filesystem on my device. I read up on this and tried several things, including the adb remount command and issuing a remount on the device shell. Neither worked; /system is still ro and I can't push my lib... |
03:45.13 | stiltzkin | I also tried unsquashing my system, placing the lib, and re-squashing, but then my phone won't boot :( |
03:47.02 | ToAsTcfh | if i need to use framework and core jars from aosp 2.0.1 on a htc 2.1 build. is it possible? |
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03:52.28 | stiltzkin | cat /proc/mounts says "/dev/block/loop1 /system squashfs ro 0 0". So the command I tried was "mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs /dev/block/loop1 /system". No change. |
03:52.28 | stiltzkin | and yes, I'm doing this as root |
03:52.58 | stiltzkin | oh, that should say "yaffs2" sorry |
03:54.39 | ToAsTcfh | idk |
03:55.13 | ToAsTcfh | is it a android device or a winmo port? |
03:55.39 | stiltzkin | ToAsTcfh: this is android lol. thus adb |
03:56.09 | ToAsTcfh | no i mean is it a hero or g1 or a diamond or tp |
03:56.29 | stiltzkin | vogue actually |
03:56.43 | ToAsTcfh | oh a ported device |
03:56.47 | stiltzkin | yeah |
03:56.52 | ToAsTcfh | idk then |
03:57.19 | ToAsTcfh | i sometimes get this when my hero fails or boots wrong |
03:57.32 | stiltzkin | thats ok. there's lots of info about this problem online but none of the solutions work for me |
03:57.40 | ToAsTcfh | but i have a recovery |
03:57.51 | ToAsTcfh | u have haret |
03:58.10 | stiltzkin | yeah |
03:58.17 | ToAsTcfh | can u just add to ur default |
03:58.27 | ToAsTcfh | the mount command |
03:58.30 | ToAsTcfh | s |
03:58.33 | ToAsTcfh | ? |
03:59.21 | ToAsTcfh | mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs /dev/block/loop1 /system to ur default |
03:59.34 | ToAsTcfh | it might work |
03:59.47 | ToAsTcfh | might not too |
03:59.54 | ToAsTcfh | its an idea |
04:00.36 | stiltzkin | really? not sure. my default really only has one line of configurable text (the cmdline) and then a boot command. can I just add a mount command here? |
04:01.06 | ToAsTcfh | maybe |
04:01.15 | ToAsTcfh | its worth a try |
04:01.21 | stiltzkin | hmm |
04:01.30 | ToAsTcfh | if not just reboot and change it |
04:01.51 | ToAsTcfh | cmd line= comand |
04:01.56 | ToAsTcfh | command |
04:02.03 | ToAsTcfh | line |
04:03.15 | ToAsTcfh | no one else seems to have a better idea;D |
04:03.26 | stiltzkin | hahaha true true. alright then I'll give it a try, thanks |
04:03.33 | ToAsTcfh | or atleast there not typing it |
04:04.24 | stiltzkin | here's my default if you want to take a look: http://pastebin.ca/1721001 |
04:10.38 | ToAsTcfh | and what build are u singg |
04:10.42 | ToAsTcfh | using |
04:11.30 | stiltzkin | zen's donut: http://bit.ly/6JmM9t |
04:15.00 | ToAsTcfh | does it do it with another build |
04:15.08 | ToAsTcfh | or just that one |
04:15.38 | stiltzkin | haven't tried with another build. I'd wager I'd get the same problem though. Has to do with how the system is mounted |
04:15.43 | ToAsTcfh | oh yeah... i dont think all builds aere open like that |
04:16.11 | ToAsTcfh | i think its in the init |
04:17.17 | stiltzkin | what confuses me more is why I can't get squashfs to work properly - then I could get around all this. I'm using a version that's supposed to work, too... |
04:17.51 | ToAsTcfh | hmm |
04:18.05 | ToAsTcfh | is it password protected |
04:18.17 | stiltzkin | haha it just seems like all this stuff doesn't work out right for me. which is why I'm always on this channel complaining :P |
04:19.03 | stiltzkin | is the system password protected? no, there's no root password or anything |
04:19.15 | stiltzkin | about as open as it gets |
04:21.06 | ToAsTcfh | idk |
04:21.19 | ToAsTcfh | maybe post on the forum |
04:26.36 | stiltzkin | yeah |
04:27.30 | stiltzkin | probably try downloading and compiling a different version of squashfs-tools, in case that's it |
04:27.48 | stiltzkin | b/c that'd be so much easier |
04:27.59 | ToAsTcfh | true |
04:28.06 | ToAsTcfh | good luck |
04:28.14 | ToAsTcfh | ;D |
04:28.28 | stiltzkin | ha thanks :) |
04:58.07 | The_Eccentric | No tab completion for ralph 800 in termainl |
04:58.08 | The_Eccentric | :( |
05:01.04 | The_Eccentric | also no wifi in ralpho 800 ? |
05:12.22 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, hey ~ |
05:14.10 | makkonen | hello |
05:14.30 | makkonen | wifi should work. you need to have the modules. and it's super flaky. |
05:15.10 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, they already preloaded or no? |
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05:17.21 | Shadowline | anyone know why when I apply a patch to a kernel i get "1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file arch/arm/mach-msm/smd.c.rej" |
05:17.50 | Shadowline | I am executing the patch in the main folder of the kernel |
05:18.03 | Shadowline | I also get "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n]" |
05:18.32 | Shadowline | this is the command I am using "patch -p1 < ~/android-kernel/whitescreen.patch" |
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05:23.45 | Shadowline | anyone? |
05:28.12 | herpez | ya |
05:35.51 | herpez | anyone working at android eclair project for raph/diam? |
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06:31.32 | makkonen | the_eccentric: the modules-2.6.27-blahblahblah.tar.gz file that comes with the zImage is the wifi modules. |
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10:53.16 | phh | [06:07:19] <The_Eccentric> No tab completion for ralph 800 in termainl <----- use bash |
10:53.26 | phh | [06:26:34] <Shadowline> anyone know why when I apply a patch to a kernel i get "1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file arch/arm/mach-msm/smd.c.rej" <---- your patch doesn't apply to current tree, you have to apply it by hand |
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11:25.48 | phh | makkonen: for mmc on cdma, you had to change board-htcraphael-mmc.c ? |
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11:40.20 | phh | WigglerAway: tmzt (or others ?), can you try if mmc on topaz/rhod still works with http://husson.hd.free.fr/0001-Make-topaz-use-same-mmc-code-as-raph-diam-blac-and-d.patch ? |
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11:49.29 | leviathan | GNUtoo: the problem with alsa+mplayer is simple |
11:49.42 | leviathan | the qdsp5-driver defined other ioctls |
11:49.59 | leviathan | so standart ioctl has other definitions then standart |
11:50.04 | leviathan | and so mplayer fails |
11:50.49 | leviathan | we would have to change the ioctl ids |
11:50.50 | leviathan | -.- |
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12:27.21 | GNUtoo | ok |
12:29.01 | Captnoord | now^2 |
12:29.05 | Captnoord | snow^2 |
12:59.02 | phh | Captnoord: same here :) |
12:59.17 | phh | (snow)²+(wind)²=(blizzard)² |
12:59.24 | Captnoord | hehe |
12:59.28 | Captnoord | its not a blizzard here yet |
12:59.51 | phh | well, it's a 10km/h wind. |
13:00.06 | phh | but I'd prefer not to be outside :p |
13:00.18 | phh | I putted my phone outside of the window to see if GPS still works |
13:00.25 | phh | window open only 10s, i was freezing. |
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13:01.53 | Captnoord | I don't really care |
13:01.56 | Captnoord | I hate hot weather |
13:02.00 | Captnoord | this is way better |
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13:07.17 | phh | well, without wind I'd say the same |
13:07.28 | phh | but i'm not going outside with such a wind. |
13:08.42 | Captnoord | hehe |
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13:20.27 | tids2k | nyone having leo here ? |
13:20.35 | Captnoord | NetRipper |
13:20.48 | tids2k | lol besides him |
13:21.44 | tids2k | nyone seen cr2 lately |
13:21.49 | Captnoord | nope |
13:21.54 | Captnoord | ~seen cr2 |
13:22.03 | apt | cr2 <n=cr2@82.203.205.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 15d 13h 52m 25s ago, saying: 'different'. |
13:22.40 | tids2k | capt what device are u working with |
13:22.47 | Captnoord | raph |
13:23.08 | Captnoord | but atm I don't have time for hacking it.... |
13:23.10 | Captnoord | I wish |
13:23.20 | Captnoord | finaly having some free time |
13:23.28 | Captnoord | just relaxing now |
13:29.30 | parmaster | which raph? |
13:29.50 | Captnoord | a raph300 |
13:29.56 | Captnoord | wich is a raph 100 hw |
13:30.21 | parmaster | nice |
13:30.27 | parmaster | the T7272 |
13:30.28 | Captnoord | nope |
13:30.31 | Captnoord | isn't nice |
13:30.36 | parmaster | err or like the T7272 |
13:31.03 | parmaster | why not? i thought a lot of stuff was working on that phone nowadays |
13:31.08 | Captnoord | sure |
13:31.11 | Captnoord | stuff is working |
13:31.15 | Captnoord | i'm not talking about that |
13:31.20 | Captnoord | i'm talking about the build quality |
13:31.20 | parmaster | oh ok |
13:31.27 | Captnoord | which sucks in my eyes |
13:31.28 | Captnoord | bleh |
13:31.36 | Captnoord | its avarage |
13:31.46 | Captnoord | and I have a habbit of breaking stuff |
13:32.08 | parmaster | understandable |
13:33.56 | phh | does someone know how to get a wince's process memory mappings ? |
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13:37.02 | Captnoord | maybe itsme |
13:38.12 | phh | Captnoord: hu ? |
13:38.48 | Captnoord | the guy who coded that toolset to extract rom's and stuff |
13:39.05 | phh | ah |
13:40.54 | GNUtoo | leviathan, btw about qdsp5 which one were you talking about...do you have more details? |
13:41.28 | leviathan | seems that they are making different ioctls in playwav |
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13:41.38 | leviathan | for the same thing, mplayer is trying to do |
13:41.48 | leviathan | so they defined the numbers differently |
13:42.01 | leviathan | I dunno all these ioctls by heart |
13:42.12 | leviathan | and I dont know how to fix it either, exactly |
13:42.32 | leviathan | but this issues with the alsa driver seems to be very deep |
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14:45.40 | kam187 | hey guys |
14:45.55 | kam187 | anyone doing any AMSS reversing at all? |
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14:57.33 | phh | I'm fed up of guys saying that "linux on diam/raph needs bettery power management", while I can get more than 20hours of battery life on android ... |
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14:59.31 | ToAsTcfh | yeah... tell'em phh |
14:59.37 | ToAsTcfh | lol |
14:59.44 | phh | I did :p |
14:59.51 | ToAsTcfh | true |
14:59.56 | Captnoord | phh beeing a developer is hard..... |
15:00.14 | phh | especially when you can't get anything working anymore :'( |
15:00.14 | kam187 | argh yanked my power cable :p |
15:00.23 | Captnoord | especialy when you know other things are much more important |
15:00.48 | phh | true too. |
15:01.56 | WigglerAway | phh: board-htctopaz.c and others still declares and calls htcraphael_init_mmc instead of init_mmc |
15:02.20 | phh | WigglerAway: yes I fixed this in my repo, and i forgot to change the makefile |
15:04.52 | ToAsTcfh | phh: if i need to make changes to the framework and core jars to add support for gsensors. how could i in a 2.1 htc build? |
15:05.12 | ToAsTcfh | theyve fixed sensors in aosp 2.0.1 |
15:05.17 | phh | don't know |
15:11.59 | ToAsTcfh | but they pulled some files from 1.5 and add a android.mk file and rebuilt |
15:12.00 | ToAsTcfh | im thinking thats not gonna be possible with an htc build |
15:12.00 | WigglerAway | phh: I found a problem with the topaz patch file I sent you, it had CONFIG_MSM_BATTCHG unset when it needs to be set |
15:12.01 | ToAsTcfh | it doesnt seem possible to manulay add the changes without compiling |
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15:14.20 | phh | wince uses big endian or little endian ? |
15:15.51 | Captnoord | is'nt that hw platform related? |
15:16.08 | Captnoord | does the arm chip do big or little |
15:16.10 | phh | arm can do both endianness :/ |
15:16.15 | Captnoord | hmmm |
15:16.16 | Captnoord | I see |
15:16.38 | phh | bah I can just try |
15:16.48 | phh | I know i have to read memory offsets, if it's outside of the memory |
15:16.53 | Captnoord | .text:10001000 ; Processor : ARM |
15:16.53 | Captnoord | .text:10001000 ; Target assembler: Generic assembler for ARM |
15:16.53 | Captnoord | .text:10001000 ; Byte sex : Little endian |
15:17.14 | phh | thanks |
15:17.17 | phh | I have no conversion to do |
15:17.33 | Captnoord | hehe |
15:17.57 | phh | (i'm trying to read a SMEM dump from my computer) |
15:18.48 | Captnoord | thats a diff story dude |
15:18.54 | Captnoord | how data is dumped |
15:19.02 | Captnoord | isn't related to endiness |
15:19.07 | Captnoord | but more to how the stuff is dumped |
15:19.45 | Captnoord | send me the file |
15:19.47 | Captnoord | and i'll know |
15:19.56 | Captnoord | its one of the things i've done to much |
15:21.38 | phh | Captnoord: to be able to read it back you need the endianness |
15:22.23 | phh | (link given in private because some private stuff in it I think) |
15:22.43 | Captnoord | k |
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15:44.54 | leviathan | kam187: AMSS? |
15:45.10 | phh | leviathan: radio software |
15:45.23 | leviathan | oh, ok |
15:46.07 | phh | the thing that noone but qualcomm's dev want to change :p |
15:46.47 | leviathan | okee |
15:47.47 | phh | (ok i'd like to put an android AMSS on my phone, so would be *way* easier) |
15:48.16 | phh | (or having source code would be nice too) |
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15:49.23 | Captnoord | seems reversing it is kinda hard |
15:49.26 | zule | does rhodium linux boot from haret yet? |
15:49.29 | Captnoord | 16 bit thumb code |
15:49.30 | leviathan | hmm |
15:49.34 | leviathan | I would need one |
15:49.39 | leviathan | then I could try |
15:49.42 | leviathan | but... |
15:49.47 | leviathan | anyway |
15:49.48 | phh | zule: yes |
15:49.54 | zule | I see some patches in the kernel to support it |
15:49.57 | zule | standard haret? |
15:50.05 | phh | yes |
15:50.22 | zule | nice, I'll have to play |
15:50.26 | leviathan | since doctor who I do not like devices in my ears of which I do not exactly know, how they are built |
15:50.36 | leviathan | because suddenly I become a cyberman xD |
15:50.48 | NetRipper | phh, which tree is being used for rhodium now? linuxtogo 2.6.27 or gitorious? |
15:52.16 | leviathan | btw: should I upload the android experimental with my patches to http://gitorious.org/replicant/vanilla-tracking-gnulinux |
15:52.18 | leviathan | ? |
15:52.37 | leviathan | because I'm unsure |
15:52.41 | phh | NetRipper: currently the best way is linuxtogo since i broke almost everything in gitorious |
15:52.45 | Captnoord | isn't that only for tracking? |
15:52.47 | leviathan | vanilla seems for me != android git |
15:52.54 | leviathan | jes |
15:52.56 | leviathan | *yes |
15:53.02 | leviathan | so... |
15:53.11 | Captnoord | phh you and breaking stuff... I don't believe it |
15:53.13 | Captnoord | damn |
15:53.14 | leviathan | would need another tree |
15:53.21 | Captnoord | I need to get to my girl |
15:53.22 | Captnoord | bleh |
15:53.24 | Captnoord | fuck weather |
15:53.34 | phh | Captnoord: bah I try to make things more common instead of copying everything in board files |
15:53.44 | phh | but I do that only for supported boards |
15:53.48 | leviathan | Captnoord: haha |
15:53.55 | leviathan | I can smoke in my room |
15:54.03 | leviathan | and I dont need to go anywhere |
15:54.21 | leviathan | I do not even feel the cold somehow, its just warm in here |
15:54.40 | Captnoord | i'm going in |
15:54.49 | leviathan | :) |
15:55.14 | NetRipper | phh, lol ok |
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15:59.00 | NetRipper | 1 << 0 = 1, right? |
15:59.23 | phh | yes |
15:59.35 | NetRipper | ok |
15:59.38 | NetRipper | just making sure |
16:03.10 | kam187 | leviathan: AMSS is the baseband :) |
16:04.07 | leviathan | oh |
16:04.09 | zule | baseband? what is this iphone world? It's a piece of software that is essentially it's own linux operating system |
16:04.14 | leviathan | that works under fso |
16:04.24 | leviathan | so someone seems to have reversed it |
16:04.33 | phh | leviathan: no |
16:04.43 | leviathan | baseband? |
16:04.53 | phh | well I'm not sure of what" base band" is |
16:04.58 | phh | I think it's arm9 software |
16:05.06 | leviathan | ohh |
16:05.10 | leviathan | uhhm |
16:05.26 | phh | what you're talking about is the communication protocol with it :p |
16:05.28 | leviathan | i thought he ment the thing which is needed to registrate on gsm points |
16:05.32 | kam187 | baseband.. it handles the gsm baseband, or the modem part of the phone |
16:05.46 | leviathan | ok |
16:05.47 | leviathan | well |
16:05.56 | leviathan | I can registrate on accesspoints over fso |
16:05.59 | leviathan | under shr |
16:06.03 | leviathan | so it seems to work |
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17:10.13 | zule | anyone know why the current haret cvs is broke? |
17:10.26 | zule | /tmp/cc3hvHyW.s: Assembler messages: |
17:10.26 | zule | /tmp/cc3hvHyW.s:2371: Error: Rn must not overlap other operands -- `swpb r4,r0,[r4]' |
17:10.26 | zule | /tmp/cc3hvHyW.s:2381: Error: Rn must not overlap other operands -- `swp r4,r0,[r4]' |
17:10.41 | zule | looks like someone messed up the assembly |
17:12.58 | zule | l1trace.cpp |
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17:58.04 | zule | can anyone tell me how to pull down the linuxtogo current kernel source? |
17:59.21 | phh | git clone git://git.linuxtogo.org/home/groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git |
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18:01.23 | zule | thanks |
18:01.24 | zule | :) |
18:02.13 | zule | i got haret to compile be just removing his 1.35 code revision from that source file |
18:02.21 | zule | not sure what he tried to do there |
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18:42.54 | tmzt | phh: what's the status? |
18:44.19 | tmzt | I see patches but what against? I need to pull a try and checkout topa support |
18:44.27 | makkonen | phh: I haven't even touched mms for cdma, so I don't know. I don't think it works. |
18:45.00 | tmzt | mms is ip + sms isn't it? |
18:45.11 | tmzt | sms just needs binary utf8 encoding I think |
18:56.23 | phh | makkonen: I said mms ? I meant mmc |
18:57.23 | phh | tmzt: gito |
18:57.59 | phh | backporting hero's fixes to my tree is hard. |
18:58.10 | tmzt | where? |
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19:35.21 | makkonen | phh: oh. you probably said mmc. and I read mms. :-p I haven't touched mmc either. |
19:35.22 | parmaster | computers are hard, lets go shopping instead! |
19:35.31 | phh | ok |
19:36.13 | makkonen | should I be? |
19:36.56 | phh | no |
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20:28.16 | tmzt | phh: what fixes? last I know you where forward porting 2.6.32 fixes on vanilla |
20:28.19 | tmzt | or something |
20:28.27 | phh | ah no |
20:28.28 | tmzt | what's this hero stuff? |
20:28.34 | phh | arf I said I would do that |
20:28.38 | tmzt | and where is the gito you are working on |
20:28.47 | phh | no i'm still on the 2.6.27 branch |
20:29.00 | tmzt | 2.6.32 is fine, I just need to get topa working |
20:29.02 | tmzt | ah |
20:29.05 | phh | the hero kernel is a bit fresher, so i'm trying to port it's features |
20:29.10 | tmzt | and you are on diam |
20:29.12 | phh | yes |
20:29.21 | tmzt | so lev is the one working on that |
20:29.30 | tmzt | g1 with 2.6.32 |
20:29.37 | tmzt | I knew that :) |
20:30.05 | tmzt | you are combining board though? |
20:30.12 | tmzt | -mmc -panel etc.? |
20:31.21 | phh | yes |
20:31.50 | phh | I already did gpio keys, pmem, mmc is coded but to be tested |
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20:33.58 | tmzt | cool, I'll look at your gito |
20:34.10 | tmzt | want to make a clear board for 2.6.32 work |
20:36.03 | MrPippy | any ideas about how to activate the 2nd ebi bank? every time i try it crashes (even if its just 30MB) |
20:36.46 | phh | no, someones already tried without any luck |
20:36.57 | phh | if you are aware of any android board with two ebi banks, take a look at it |
20:37.11 | tmzt | won't work without mpu disable |
20:37.13 | tmzt | even then |
20:37.18 | MrPippy | cdma hero does but we don't have source |
20:37.35 | tmzt | it's not one 256? |
20:37.47 | tmzt | yeah, where is that source? |
20:37.56 | tmzt | it would help so much with raph500 |
20:38.08 | tmzt | though I don't have one anymore |
20:38.42 | MrPippy | thats true it might be one 256, i'm not sure |
20:39.14 | phh | hero source code has some HAS_ONE_BANK_EBI_256MB_AMMS or such things |
20:39.43 | phh | MrPippy: you're sure hero source code doesn't contain cdma hero support ? |
20:39.57 | phh | the one I have, contains many references to it |
20:42.22 | MrPippy | yeah the one i have has some references to it (even the Makefile lists board-heroc) but the board-heroc- files aren't there |
20:44.37 | MrPippy | did you just get the one from developer.htc.com? |
20:44.44 | phh | yes |
20:44.52 | phh | well there are still three cdma boards |
20:44.55 | phh | don't know which ones |
20:45.25 | MrPippy | three? what do you mean |
20:47.16 | phh | oh well no, nothing |
20:47.25 | phh | source code is still not here |
20:48.35 | MrPippy | yeah theres some other cdma linux phones: samsung moment (android), palm pre, palm pixi |
20:48.46 | MrPippy | but pixi is the only one MSM based, and they haven't released source yet |
20:48.53 | tmzt | uh |
20:48.56 | tmzt | right |
20:49.03 | tmzt | pre is msm external chip |
20:49.13 | tmzt | pixi is 7627 |
20:49.24 | tmzt | so more like 7600 amss probably |
20:49.28 | tmzt | then 7500 |
20:49.36 | tmzt | then 7500a, 7501a |
20:49.54 | MrPippy | yeah |
20:49.58 | tmzt | we have cdma moment source? |
20:50.19 | tmzt | including qdsp module list? |
20:50.46 | MrPippy | yeah its on samsung's site (as the sph-m900) but it uses a samsung soc |
20:50.58 | tmzt | ah |
20:50.59 | tmzt | right |
20:51.01 | tmzt | not msm |
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21:09.17 | phh | kernel built \o/ know i can see it crashing /o\` |
21:11.01 | phh | oh it boot-vibrates, that's not that bad. |
21:11.52 | makkonen | what are you working on? Forward-porting to .32? |
21:12.11 | phh | no, trying to merge some things with hero's kernel |
21:12.18 | makkonen | ah |
21:12.20 | phh | I should have done everything at once.* |
21:12.36 | phh | a 30klinse patch isn't always nice to debug. |
21:12.44 | phh | shouldn't* |
21:13.32 | makkonen | :-/ |
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21:15.10 | loxattack | help loading the android image on a tp2 |
21:18.08 | tmzt | which? |
21:19.07 | loxattack | touch pro 2 |
21:19.19 | phh | msm_fb working \o/ |
21:19.20 | tmzt | yes |
21:19.23 | tmzt | which |
21:19.32 | tmzt | phh: it wasn't before? |
21:19.40 | phh | tmzt: not with this big patch |
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21:21.12 | loxattack | im using the blackstone |
21:21.25 | loxattack | image |
21:21.31 | loxattack | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584559&highlight=android |
21:21.35 | loxattack | just locks up though |
21:21.46 | loxattack | when booting linux |
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21:22.17 | tmzt | hmm? |
21:22.27 | tmzt | you can't use that on tp2 |
21:22.34 | tmzt | which tp2, what carrier? |
21:22.50 | tmzt | try topaz mtype though |
21:22.55 | loxattack | tmobile us |
21:22.57 | loxattack | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521657&page=40 |
21:23.00 | tmzt | in startup.txt/default.txt |
21:23.05 | tmzt | rhod200 then |
21:23.09 | loxattack | someone there has successfully booted |
21:23.11 | loxattack | yessir |
21:23.23 | tmzt | they chen mtype or zImage? |
21:23.33 | loxattack | chen? |
21:24.16 | tmzt | change |
21:24.26 | tmzt | sorry |
21:24.40 | loxattack | Originally Posted by biscuits1978 |
21:24.41 | loxattack | Make sure you guys: |
21:24.44 | loxattack | 1) Format the microSD card to FAT32 |
21:24.45 | loxattack | 2) Unzip the files provided HERE directly to the ROOT of your microSD card |
21:24.47 | loxattack | 3) Unzip the rootfs.img file from THIS FILE directly to the ROOT of your microSD card |
21:24.50 | loxattack | 4) Then unzip the ZIP file provided in shadowline's post HERE direct to the ROOT of your microSD card |
21:24.51 | loxattack | Start HaRET and it should go to a DOS-like bootup sequence, then to the flashing Android graphic, and then the "Touch the Android to begin" screen. |
21:24.53 | loxattack | NOTE: I used IZArc to unzip everything -- it's free |
21:24.55 | loxattack | shit sorry for the flooding |
21:26.13 | loxattack | so you think its possible |
21:26.13 | loxattack | ? |
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21:26.51 | tmzt | sha: ping |
21:27.07 | tmzt | jds: |
21:27.40 | tmzt | kra: |
21:28.49 | makkonen | loxattack: it may or may not be possible to boot the TP2 to the point where the android screen comes up. I don't think anyone has, but I don't know if anyone's tried that topaz kernel. I would guess, if you have followed those instructions, and it hasn't, that it probably doesn't work yet. |
21:29.24 | loxattack | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521657&page=40 |
21:29.29 | loxattack | somebody there booted it |
21:29.43 | tmzt | it should work |
21:29.46 | loxattack | well this is the situation i just got this tp2 from tmobile and if i cant ported it over |
21:29.49 | tmzt | the mddi init is nopd |
21:29.54 | loxattack | i ll just ship it back |
21:35.28 | makkonen | loxattack: you mean you want a usable android port now? Then ship it back. because boots does not mean works. At this point, the best you can do is have it boot up to the android screen and then lock up or not read input, I think. if you have the knowledge and desire to help with porting it, though, it will eventually work, no question. |
21:36.46 | tmzt | it will be increidble :) |
21:36.59 | tmzt | but we need to get the radio and sound working for phone |
21:37.08 | makkonen | in time, it WILL be incredible. :-) |
21:37.09 | tmzt | rhod200 should be similar to raph100 |
21:37.24 | tmzt | dzo flahing vogues now? |
21:37.33 | tmzt | he has instructions apparently |
21:37.35 | makkonen | yeah |
21:37.42 | tmzt | wow |
21:37.50 | tmzt | kaiser next I'd guess |
21:37.53 | tmzt | then diamond |
21:38.27 | makkonen | I'm not willing to do it with mine (well, my girlfriend's) yet. because having winmo to fall back on when something doesn't work right in android is nice. |
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21:38.52 | phh | makkonen: same here |
21:38.53 | Battousai | she'll be none the wiser |
21:39.00 | phh | but i'm also fed up of MMC :/ |
21:39.01 | tmzt | true |
21:39.06 | tmzt | mmc? |
21:39.41 | phh | what i've been able to debug, mmc causes a lot of troubles |
21:39.52 | phh | most than half of my freezes |
21:39.56 | ToAsTcfh | tmzt: got a sec? |
21:40.05 | tmzt | not for sensor |
21:40.09 | tmzt | not your way |
21:40.12 | tmzt | I have no clue |
21:40.16 | ToAsTcfh | its about diff |
21:40.21 | tmzt | yeah |
21:40.24 | bertramt | I hope to see some TP2 progress, I get mine in the next day or two :) |
21:40.56 | tmzt | topa kernel boots |
21:41.14 | tmzt | I don't start with android because debugging is harder |
21:41.24 | tmzt | send rhod to dzo if you want android |
21:41.31 | ToAsTcfh | if i deodex the frame work and try to diff the smali files to find out what is changed is that possible to do. or wold i need to go about doing it another way? |
21:41.43 | tmzt | yeah |
21:41.44 | bertramt | I could send him a cdma TP |
21:41.46 | tmzt | but hard |
21:41.51 | makkonen | yeah, I want to take up a collection to send a RHOD400 to dzo. |
21:42.01 | tmzt | only with the right freqs |
21:42.04 | tmzt | rhod400? |
21:42.05 | tmzt | cool |
21:42.21 | tmzt | he can use gsm part |
21:42.24 | bertramt | I think there is a site where they can be "rented" |
21:42.29 | makkonen | oh, would his new zealand freqs not work with the cdma part? |
21:42.31 | tmzt | with cmonex unlock |
21:42.39 | tmzt | I think so |
21:42.53 | tmzt | I don't think so |
21:43.06 | ToAsTcfh | well i wanna use the aosp build before gesensors and after and try fiffing them. find the changed files and add them to 2.1 frameworks |
21:43.22 | tmzt | very very hard way |
21:43.27 | tmzt | start with source |
21:43.37 | tmzt | get the driver in the kernel working |
21:43.43 | tmzt | then fix userland |
21:43.50 | ToAsTcfh | i dont have source for 2.1 |
21:43.59 | tmzt | fake calibration |
21:44.07 | ToAsTcfh | they have fixed the driver in aosp |
21:44.25 | ToAsTcfh | they used stuff from 1.5 |
21:44.40 | ToAsTcfh | how would i fake calibration |
21:46.08 | ToAsTcfh | im guessing the framework is using something different in the 2+ builds. it sees my driver and uses it but wont show it in the apps |
21:47.02 | phh | the sensor driver is totally different in <=1.5 and >1.5 |
21:47.09 | phh | I mean the api |
21:47.11 | ToAsTcfh | i know |
21:47.28 | phh | so why do you expect it to work then ? |
21:47.42 | ToAsTcfh | tthats why he used some stuff from march in his aosp build |
21:48.06 | ToAsTcfh | well if itll work in aosp then it should in 2.1 right |
21:48.08 | ToAsTcfh | ?\ |
21:49.10 | ToAsTcfh | the diff method is the only way i can think of |
21:49.46 | ToAsTcfh | its the long way i know but unless i get another idea im kinda stuck |
21:50.46 | phh | you want to change the framework to match the old driver ? |
21:51.07 | ToAsTcfh | yes that is what wzas done |
21:51.22 | ToAsTcfh | unless there is another route |
21:51.54 | ToAsTcfh | writing a whole new driver seems kinda crazy |
21:51.58 | phh | lol no |
21:52.31 | phh | it's less than 500lines |
21:52.44 | ToAsTcfh | yeah im no where near even thinking of dreaming of being that good |
21:53.11 | phh | if it's a standard /dev/input device, you can just copy paste my code |
21:53.35 | ToAsTcfh | it is i believe |
21:53.46 | ToAsTcfh | bma150 |
21:53.53 | ToAsTcfh | if that helps |
21:54.26 | ToAsTcfh | wheres ur "code" |
21:54.49 | phh | http://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/android-hardware |
21:55.08 | makkonen | RHOD400 and RHOD500 uses CDMA800/1900, so does the Vogue aka OKTA Touch. so maybe dzo would take one. Just need to find 40 people willing to donate $10. |
21:55.37 | makkonen | or 20 people willing to donate $20. or one person willing to donate a TP2. |
21:55.52 | bertramt | I would do at least 10 |
21:56.32 | phh | makkonen: I want diam first :p |
21:56.34 | bertramt | can we start a list on the wave of people interested? |
21:56.45 | makkonen | I'll send him a PM and ask him if he's interested. |
21:57.02 | tmzt | ToAsTcfh: I just mean don't bother with settings.apk |
21:57.11 | makkonen | It's free stuff, but it's also sort of an imposition -- 'here's this thing, now DO THIS NOWNOWNOW' |
21:57.32 | bertramt | yeah |
21:57.35 | tmzt | but might be non issue if phh is right |
21:59.41 | ToAsTcfh | oh so i got the code. now how do iget this into the build |
22:00.06 | ToAsTcfh | i bailed on the settingsapk already |
22:00.58 | ToAsTcfh | its for an entire build. i cant build 2.1 from source |
22:01.41 | tmzt | huh? |
22:01.52 | tmzt | just build the part you need |
22:02.30 | phh | ToAsTcfh: you can build the driver using eclair source code I think |
22:02.38 | ToAsTcfh | android.mk and and sensors.c will give me a new sensors drivor |
22:02.59 | ToAsTcfh | ok ill have to get eclair now |
22:03.04 | phh | donut is fine too |
22:03.08 | ToAsTcfh | and give it a go |
22:03.18 | ToAsTcfh | i have donut already |
22:03.22 | tmzt | 2.1 is eclair |
22:03.25 | ToAsTcfh | no kernel the |
22:03.31 | tmzt | that's the ERx part |
22:04.18 | phh | tmzt: hu ? |
22:04.21 | phh | i thaught eclair was 2.Ã |
22:04.23 | phh | 2.0* |
22:04.30 | ToAsTcfh | 2.0.1 |
22:04.36 | ToAsTcfh | 2.10 |
22:04.49 | ToAsTcfh | i think there both eclair |
22:04.57 | tmzt | the leaked thing on engadget is not flan |
22:05.04 | tmzt | it's eclair |
22:05.21 | phh | ok |
22:05.57 | ToAsTcfh | mine is hero 2.1 leak |
22:06.04 | ToAsTcfh | gsm hero |
22:06.20 | tmzt | version number? |
22:06.24 | tmzt | release number |
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22:06.41 | tmzt | like ERn |
22:06.47 | tmzt | or similar |
22:07.41 | ToAsTcfh | so to build without a kernel is gonna be what? make wnod? |
22:12.32 | ToAsTcfh | ok im lost. how do i get this driver to make? |
22:13.12 | phh | build android then . build/envsetup.sh, then go in the driver source ande type mm |
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22:25.36 | MrPippy | makkonen: is microp-klt working on raph800? |
22:25.47 | NetRipper | any asm masters? how do i make a small delay using cycles? like a loop that runs 100000 times? |
22:25.51 | tmzt | it was |
22:26.26 | tmzt | label and conditional branch |
22:26.44 | tmzt | but I'm not sure since my code doesn't work still |
22:26.53 | tmzt | I want to port dzo's to att |
22:27.10 | tmzt | he even has romhdr :) |
22:27.18 | makkonen | that's the keyboard backlight and LEDs? or... all LEDs? |
22:27.33 | tmzt | no leds on raph800 |
22:27.41 | tmzt | expcept navi ones |
22:27.46 | tmzt | keylight |
22:27.48 | tmzt | backlight |
22:27.51 | tmzt | all klt |
22:28.03 | tmzt | and flash, gpio two levels |
22:28.24 | makkonen | I think all of those are working/mostly working. |
22:28.59 | MrPippy | i added diam500's device id to klt but usbnet and the keypad both aren't working |
22:30.01 | makkonen | hmm. I'm running adb instead of usbnet, but I think it works fine with klt. |
22:31.52 | MrPippy | yeah its weird that the keypad dropped out too, like i2c went dead |
22:32.07 | MrPippy | the phone was still running though, the clock was updating |
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22:36.30 | The_Eccentric | any one got wifi to work succesfully on ralph 800 |
22:36.30 | The_Eccentric | ? |
22:36.41 | makkonen | some people have. I have not. |
22:37.19 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, ahh |
22:37.21 | tmzt | MrPippy: bad gpio mux probably |
22:37.22 | The_Eccentric | hey |
22:37.28 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, hows it go ? |
22:38.15 | makkonen | it goes. |
22:38.27 | The_Eccentric | lol |
22:38.38 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, i have an idea about the wifi modules |
22:38.42 | thedicemaster | is there any way to mount an android sqsh in ubuntu? the regular way for mounting sqsh files says it's too old. |
22:39.29 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, are they both the same on the old and new version of droid? |
22:39.39 | MrPippy | yeah i've had that problem too with ubuntu 9.10 |
22:40.18 | tmzt | it's too new |
22:40.22 | tmzt | :) |
22:40.31 | tmzt | build a driver for the kernel |
22:40.46 | makkonen | the_eccentric: everything is the same except the kernel and the modules. |
22:40.46 | The_Eccentric | tmzt, heard you where the ralph guru |
22:41.06 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, so wifi module isn/t (to be clear) ? |
22:41.48 | makkonen | the modules have to be built against the specific zImage. that's why they're packaged together. new zImage -> new modules. |
22:42.54 | The_Eccentric | :( |
22:43.28 | thedicemaster | i suppose there's no way to mount sqsh under windows 7? |
22:43.35 | tmzt | fuse? |
22:43.39 | tmzt | just extract it |
22:43.50 | tmzt | build the tools for cygwin |
22:43.55 | tmzt | should work fine |
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22:52.06 | thedicemaster | hm, anyone got the ip of cygwin.com for me? my provider's DNS servers keep going down. |
22:52.20 | tmzt | use a mirror |
22:52.24 | tmzt | through redhat |
22:52.34 | tmzt | also, switch dns |
22:52.45 | tmzt | opendns, a rootssrver etc. |
22:52.54 | thedicemaster | not much use right now. |
22:53.07 | tmzt | why? |
22:53.24 | thedicemaster | how am i going to find another DNS if i can only browse with IP's? |
22:53.45 | tmzt | 1.2.2.2? |
22:54.34 | phh | 8.8.8.8 |
22:54.44 | phh | and 8.8.4.4 |
23:03.37 | NetRipper | phh, do you know how the early boot process of the linux kernel works? in the head.S the MMU is enabled... how can i access physical memory after that is done? |
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23:04.02 | phh | no sorry |
23:04.06 | NetRipper | ok |
23:05.26 | ToAsTcfh | phh after making the driver i can just put it in my buiild? |
23:05.37 | phh | yes |
23:05.46 | phh | remove system/lib/hw/sensors*.so |
23:05.55 | phh | and put it (should be named sensors.default.so i system/lib/hw |
23:05.56 | phh | ) |
23:06.07 | tmzt | NetRipper: after? |
23:06.14 | tmzt | map it |
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23:06.19 | tmzt | like the htcfb does |
23:06.19 | NetRipper | tmzt, how? in asm? |
23:06.22 | ToAsTcfh | yeah mines sensors.heroc.so |
23:06.33 | tmzt | I tried to port that to asm but didn't get very far |
23:06.36 | NetRipper | tmzt, i'm not in C code yet |
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23:07.05 | tmzt | yeah, but if kernel owns mmu you might have an issue |
23:07.11 | phh | ToAsTcfh: you have to change the dev name in the source file btw |
23:07.20 | ToAsTcfh | ok and i wont need a lib file? is this like tricking it |
23:07.23 | tmzt | does it setup identifiy when it enables? |
23:07.31 | phh | it is a lib file |
23:07.41 | tmzt | ToAsTcfh: aren't you building one? |
23:07.56 | tmzt | identity |
23:08.18 | ToAsTcfh | yes im building this driver oncwe repo sync finishes |
23:08.50 | ToAsTcfh | im putting it in a build i have no source for |
23:09.17 | The_Eccentric | for the people that got ralph 800 wifi working, did you just have to keep restart droid, still it scaned for ap's?? |
23:10.07 | ToAsTcfh | phh:" so this is some universal driver or something u made? |
23:10.22 | phh | ToAsTcfh: it uses the standard linux API for user input devices |
23:10.55 | ToAsTcfh | but not cameras to right? |
23:10.58 | ToAsTcfh | lol |
23:11.06 | ToAsTcfh | all fixes in one |
23:11.08 | phh | oh there is also a standard linux API for that |
23:11.15 | phh | but android doesn't know it either by default. |
23:12.01 | phh | well it seems they discovered it for hero, but i'm not sure they use it |
23:12.20 | ToAsTcfh | or issue with camera. is they change the libs and such so much its been hell on even the guy building aosp |
23:12.42 | ToAsTcfh | for cdma |
23:12.51 | ToAsTcfh | idk about gsm |
23:13.31 | ToAsTcfh | <PROTECTED> |
23:14.11 | ToAsTcfh | where did u find that info anyhow |
23:14.18 | phh | which info ? |
23:14.28 | ToAsTcfh | camera linux api |
23:14.40 | ToAsTcfh | for hero |
23:14.44 | phh | it's in the kernel source |
23:15.17 | ToAsTcfh | hmm |
23:16.27 | ToAsTcfh | so this to would work for anydevice. or any hero |
23:16.30 | ToAsTcfh | ? |
23:18.15 | ToAsTcfh | what about all the sensor manager? it will see these devices also? |
23:18.32 | ToAsTcfh | i guess i need a better understanding sorry |
23:19.03 | phh | don't know if hero's device uses /dev/input device even if i think so |
23:19.08 | phh | oh wait |
23:19.14 | phh | some part is kxsd9 specific |
23:19.16 | phh | totally forgot that |
23:19.24 | ToAsTcfh | what? |
23:19.26 | ToAsTcfh | !!! |
23:19.35 | ToAsTcfh | is that an issue |
23:19.43 | phh | yes |
23:19.50 | phh | you need to change the enable and set_rate fonction |
23:20.09 | ToAsTcfh | how too |
23:20.52 | ToAsTcfh | is that an the mk or s file i got |
23:20.59 | ToAsTcfh | c |
23:21.07 | ToAsTcfh | my bad |
23:21.14 | phh | the c |
23:22.01 | maejrep | ToAsTcfh: i'll help with what I can. what do you need? :) |
23:22.30 | phh | oh, in hero kernel there is a proper touchscreen driver, including real calibration |
23:22.48 | phh | I mean a driver for resistive devices |
23:22.55 | tmzt | yes |
23:23.08 | tmzt | hey, maejrep |
23:23.13 | tmzt | what hardware now? |
23:23.22 | maejrep | heroc still |
23:23.24 | phh | but first, usb. |
23:23.45 | tmzt | root? |
23:24.13 | tmzt | thought you had magic |
23:24.14 | ToAsTcfh | maejrep: im trying to get gsensors to work in 2.1 build |
23:24.15 | maejrep | it's rooted already, but htc hasn't released kernel source for it, and we need to get the kernel updated to work with 2.* |
23:24.33 | tmzt | we can get 2.6.32 without them |
23:24.34 | maejrep | (or hack around it, which i'd rather not do) |
23:24.35 | tmzt | maybe |
23:24.37 | ToAsTcfh | phh ok so what do i need to change in sensors? |
23:24.39 | tmzt | yeah |
23:24.48 | phh | the set_rate and enable functions |
23:24.57 | maejrep | tmzt: and yeah I do also have magic/ion |
23:25.06 | tmzt | maejrep: you have sprint hero? |
23:25.09 | maejrep | yeah |
23:25.09 | tmzt | ah |
23:25.21 | tmzt | busy with work stuff recently? |
23:25.37 | maejrep | yeah, but started my vacation this weekend :p |
23:25.48 | tmzt | cool |
23:25.55 | maejrep | was supposed to leave this morning, but my flight was canceled due to weather |
23:26.02 | tmzt | going where? |
23:26.05 | maejrep | TX |
23:26.10 | tmzt | ah |
23:26.40 | tmzt | thinking about going out to dc/epa end of feburary |
23:26.46 | tmzt | or early march |
23:27.07 | ToAsTcfh | ok find isnt helping. set_rate isnt in there |
23:27.22 | ToAsTcfh | and enable is throughout |
23:28.33 | ToAsTcfh | enable is mentioned alot |
23:29.33 | maejrep | ToAsTcfh: are you trying to change the kernel to move the device where android expects it, or changing android to look where hero kernel puts it? |
23:30.02 | maejrep | hmm, motorola kernel source release was tricky... they double-gzipped it :X and named it .tar.gz |
23:30.11 | ToAsTcfh | trying to use a linux api driver phh pointed me too |
23:30.12 | tmzt | yes |
23:30.26 | maejrep | ah |
23:30.51 | ToAsTcfh | u own a heroc? |
23:31.02 | maejrep | yes |
23:31.29 | ToAsTcfh | what r u working on a newer kernel? |
23:32.10 | maejrep | right now trying to get what is missing from the .27 gsm kernel release to be able to compile a kernel for cdma |
23:32.20 | ToAsTcfh | repo takes forever on roadrunner |
23:32.34 | ToAsTcfh | board heroc |
23:32.35 | tmzt | htcfb works? |
23:32.56 | ToAsTcfh | i noticed some stuff is in the source |
23:33.09 | maejrep | tmzt: i tried doing a fb a few weeks ago, didn't work out easily, and didn't have the desire to poke into it further |
23:33.09 | ToAsTcfh | but with no rules were fuct |
23:33.51 | maejrep | ToAsTcfh: if you compare the System.map from gsm kernel to /proc/kallsyms of our kernel, it's relatively easy to see what symbols are missing between the two |
23:34.08 | ToAsTcfh | phh: i still dont know what im needing to change |
23:34.37 | maejrep | a lot of the stuff mentioned in the Makefiles can be added to Kconfig in order to support the right drivers |
23:34.38 | tmzt | ah |
23:34.40 | ToAsTcfh | true im not that good. lol |
23:34.51 | tmzt | what about qdsp comp though |
23:34.51 | maejrep | obviously, board_heroc* is missing |
23:34.53 | ToAsTcfh | \sweet |
23:35.04 | maejrep | but the hope is that board_heroc is just *mostly* a copy of board_hero* |
23:35.24 | ToAsTcfh | i was thinking the samwe maybe |
23:35.31 | tmzt | with different smi |
23:35.40 | tmzt | making it more like raph500 |
23:35.47 | maejrep | right |
23:35.54 | maejrep | and that's what worries me |
23:36.15 | tmzt | but you don't even have htc fb working? |
23:36.19 | maejrep | cause if that's the case, I'd have to disassemble the heroc kernel in order to see what is different :/ |
23:36.24 | tmzt | try booting raph500 kernel |
23:36.40 | tmzt | I might have one to upload |
23:36.53 | maejrep | you think it would boot? :o |
23:37.15 | ToAsTcfh | u really think there that simaler |
23:37.15 | phh | it can show some text |
23:37.17 | tmzt | at least to htcfb |
23:37.22 | maejrep | yeah true |
23:37.22 | tmzt | I think |
23:37.25 | tmzt | not to pcom |
23:37.30 | maejrep | is that 2.6.29? |
23:37.40 | maejrep | we have the source for pcom |
23:37.42 | tmzt | 2.6.27 |
23:37.45 | maejrep | ah |
23:37.56 | ToAsTcfh | phh: what am trying to change |
23:38.17 | tmzt | just ot linux input device |
23:38.38 | tmzt | hardcode the node |
23:38.57 | ToAsTcfh | but im suppose to change something in the .c file |
23:39.18 | maejrep | tmzt: what's the best way to boot a different kernel for testing? just fastboot? |
23:39.48 | ToAsTcfh | u could just zip it up into a build |
23:39.56 | maejrep | i'd rather not though ;) |
23:40.18 | maejrep | that's what I did last time, and it's rather pointless to do that when I know the kernel is not likely to boot at all |
23:40.38 | ToAsTcfh | lol\ |
23:40.39 | maejrep | i just want to boot the kernel as I go, and be able to reboot easily |
23:40.58 | maejrep | guess I have to use mkbootimg each time, but that's fine |
23:41.54 | maejrep | tmzt: why do you think raph500? I have a raph800 kernel on my machine still |
23:45.35 | maejrep | ToAsTcfh: what are you wanting to change in bma150? |
23:45.58 | MrPippy | yeah heroc is 7501a like raph800, should have 32MB SMI |
23:48.12 | maejrep | is that different from gsm hero? |
23:48.22 | maejrep | i know the chip is different, but the SMI |
23:52.27 | MrPippy | not sure but i think the gsm ones have 64MB SMI |
23:54.28 | maejrep | k, i'll see if the fb console works, see how far that gets me |
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