IRC log for #htc-linux on 20091219

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00:38.45townkatanyone please can help with some linux related info ?
00:38.48townkatnon android related
00:39.25townkati am playing with tinycore, a live linux version
00:40.19townkatand have some problem understanding why some files writen from linux to a fat32 partition are not visible from xp (an usb stick shared to both oses)
00:41.49polyrhythmicwhat files
00:41.50polyrhythmic?
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00:45.25townkatthere is a folder wich is not visible from windows
00:45.31townkatan i dont understand why
00:45.38townkatit is on /mnt/hda1
00:46.35townkati can see /mnt/hda1/tce/ from linux but not from windows
00:47.40polyrhythmicit's not hidden or symlinked or anything is it?
00:48.09polyrhythmicI've had problems where Windows can't see the entire partition, but Linux can....
00:48.15polyrhythmicbut I've never had it happen with individual files
00:48.21townkatill make a screenshot
00:48.25townkatboth from win and lin
00:48.27townkatk ?
00:48.30polyrhythmicok cool
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00:49.45JDShadowlinehello linux lovers from afar
00:50.33JDShadowlinehello WiggleAway :P
00:50.48townkathttp://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3483/hiddenfolder.jpg
00:51.24townkati have show hidden files and folders under xp checked
00:51.45townkati donw knoad what symlink is
00:52.06townkati dont know what symlink is
00:53.28townkatahh, a shortcut
00:53.35townkati dont think so
01:21.55aavanwell well well
01:22.09aavanI'm out of ideas about that thing, and out of energy too
01:22.48aavanI'm gonna call it a night, gn everybody
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01:30.02townkat:)
01:30.02townkatgn
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02:07.23The_Eccentrichey
02:07.58The_Eccentricwell i tried htc-linux.org, and there is no step by step guide on putting nix on your phone
02:08.06The_Eccentriccan some one point me to a gudie
02:08.08The_Eccentricguide
02:08.14JDShadowlinehmm Android on topaz for christmas :D yay! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5176632&postcount=416
02:08.14The_Eccentrici have Raph800
02:08.19JDShadowlinewhich device
02:08.24The_Eccentrici have Raph800
02:08.25JDShadowlineah nevermind spoke too late :P
02:08.34The_Eccentriclol
02:08.55The_Eccentricive looked a round xda site
02:09.06makkonenJDShadowline: awesome.
02:09.12The_Eccentricand dont see a straight foward guide
02:09.19JDShadowlinewell do you have the files already The_Eccentric ?
02:09.25The_Eccentricno sire
02:09.27The_Eccentricsir
02:09.32The_Eccentricwhere do i get them plz?
02:09.43makkonenthe_eccentric: the latest files are on google wave.
02:09.50The_Eccentricfor serial
02:09.54The_Eccentric:/
02:10.08The_Eccentricfor real*
02:10.08JDShadowlinegoogle wave?
02:10.09makkonenbut you don't need them. let me get links to connect-utb.
02:10.20The_Eccentricmakkonen, ty ty
02:10.28JDShadowlinehttp://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=folder&Itemid=68&id=51:htc-raphael-diamond-blackstone
02:10.44tmztThe_Eccentric: raph800 still has some issues
02:10.46makkonenyes. that's the base files. you need all those.
02:10.56tmztJDShadowline: who said that?
02:11.11JDShadowlinewho said what
02:11.24JDShadowlinepeople say a lot of things
02:11.27makkonenthe_eccentric: and then http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=file&Itemid=68&id=81:raph800-kernel-image-pack for the raph800 specific files.
02:11.28The_Eccentrictmzt, how bad?
02:11.31JDShadowlinedefince "that"
02:11.36JDShadowline*define :P
02:11.54polyrhythmictownkat: weird.  Can you try renaming the /tce folder, then create a new /tce folder using XP and move the files into it with linux
02:12.04makkonenthe_eccentric: it crashes a lot. microphone doesn't work. battery drains in no time flat.
02:12.17makkonenin short, it is not usable for anything but experimentation and testing.
02:12.18polyrhythmictownkat: FAT32 is a bad Filesystem, has a lot of problems
02:12.57The_Eccentricmakkonen, Perfect (not being scarcastic)!
02:12.57makkonen:-)
02:12.57The_Eccentricthats all im using it for
02:12.57The_Eccentricmakkonen, so just put those on my sd card?
02:12.59tmztphh: there is for vga
02:13.09tmztand it's on camr interface not mddi
02:13.15tmztit just needs adapted
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02:16.05bertramtevening
02:16.24makkonenthe_eccentric: yes. and then switch out the raph800 startup.txt from the startup configs folder. And give it a shot.
02:17.01The_Eccentric<PROTECTED>
02:17.07The_Eccentricor do you mean just delete?>
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02:17.37makkonendelete the one in the root directory, replace it with the one in the startup configs folder.
02:17.45The_Eccentrickk
02:18.52makkonenmsg me if you have trouble. I'ma go bake some cookies now.
02:19.05The_Eccentriclol
02:19.06The_Eccentrickk
02:19.07The_Eccentricty
02:23.51bertramtI'm trading my raph800 in for a Sprint TP2 next week
02:24.44bertramtanybody hopeful  that we will have a semi usable kernel for that TP2 anytime soon?
02:26.02makkonenwell, jdshadowline just posted a pic of the android start screen on a topaz, which is farther than anyone's gotten before... so, sooner than I would've guessed an hour ago. but... I wouldn't say soon.
02:26.43bertramtat least thats is hopeful:)
02:26.44JDShadowlinetrue, it boots. but that is as much as you get out of it.
02:27.07bertramtthats all we had on the raph800 two weeks ago too..
02:27.12JDShadowlinecrashes after a min, no battery info, no gsm info (def no CDMA yet)
02:27.46makkonenyeah. the 7600 is even farther away from being supported than the 7500.
02:29.02bertramtI am getting a warranty swap on my phone and getting another TP wasn't an option and its hard to turn down a free TP2
02:29.48JDShadowlinei dunno free sounds kinda bad , i mean who would want an upgrade without paying for it...
02:29.55JDShadowline;)
02:30.00bertramt:)
02:30.07makkonenyeah. I wouldn't pass that up. I'll suffer WinMo for 800x480, integrated 3.5mm jack, etc etc
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02:30.36makkonenJDShadowline: Real Americans. that's who.
02:30.47bertramtI might miss the crappy dpad
02:30.56JDShadowlinei do miss a dpad...
02:31.00JDShadowlinebut ill live
02:31.03makkonengod I hate that dpad so much.
02:31.06JDShadowlinewvga is nice :D
02:31.21bertramtI'm not really sure whats worse the TP dpad or not having one.. :)
02:31.22JDShadowlineand i like nothing but screen devices
02:31.31makkonenevery time I use my girlfriend's vogue, I'm awed by how you can... click left to go left, and click right to go right.
02:32.01JDShadowlinehmm vogue, is it running android?
02:32.01bertramtI have a few spare vogues
02:32.26bertramtand I have a spare TP that doesn't seem to do CDMA data at all
02:32.31makkonenjd: oh yeah. so nice.
02:32.48bertramtI wonder if I could send that to somebody to help with the project..
02:33.12The_Eccentricwelp ima bout to launch Haret
02:33.15The_Eccentricwis me luch
02:33.17The_Eccentriclol
02:33.18JDShadowlinegood luck
02:33.22The_Eccentricwiish me luck *
02:34.12bertramtmakkonen: know of anybody that I might be able to ship a TP to to help out?
02:34.48AstainHellbringbertramt what tp you looking for?
02:35.06makkonensee if you can sweet talk dzo into jumping into the next generation. :-)
02:36.14bertramtI have a spare one that seems to work just fine except refuses to provision CDMA data (works for voice)
02:36.36The_Eccentricis in normanl to be stuck on mmcblk0: p1 ????
02:36.38The_Eccentricnormal
02:36.49The_Eccentricmakkonen,  is in normal to be stuck on mmcblk0: p1 ????
02:37.00The_Eccentricbeen sitting there for a few mins
02:37.07bertramtI think i've had that problem before
02:37.14The_Eccentric:(
02:37.19The_Eccentricfixable or no
02:37.35AstainHellbringbertramt what carrier you have?
02:38.02makkoneneccentric: fixable. download the files from the second link. delete all the zImages you have on your sd card and replace them with the one from that second download.
02:38.10bertramtAstainHellbring: Sprint
02:38.18The_Eccentricmakkonen, again???
02:38.26bertramtAstainHellbring: Raph800
02:38.39The_Eccentricbertramt, nice :D
02:38.42AstainHellbringbertramt did you try flashing back to stock and hard reset?
02:39.44makkoneneccentric: it's loading the wrong zImage. I'm not sure why, I'm just saying get rid of whatever's on there now, and put the newest one on, and rename it to just 'zImage'
02:39.48bertramtAstainHellbring: Yeah, I think about 5 clear storages and a complete reflash
02:39.58The_Eccentrickk
02:39.59AstainHellbringwierd
02:40.16AstainHellbringtry just doing the iota a bunch of times
02:40.28bertramtAstainHellbring: Sprint store spent 2 hours trying to make it work
02:41.35AstainHellbringwow bertramt
02:41.40AstainHellbringdid they replace it for you?
02:42.54The_Eccentricmakkonen, reaname all of them zimage?
02:43.43bertramtnot yet.  it was our spare at work, we didn't have active service on it.
02:47.28The_Eccentricrage
02:47.30The_Eccentric<PROTECTED>
02:47.34The_Eccentricstill not working
02:47.42The_Eccentricmaybe i did something wrong
02:48.26bertramtThe_Eccentric: what device do you have?
02:49.55makkonentheeccentric: delete all of them off your sdcard. find the one that's in the 12-17-09 file, rename it to zImage, and put it on your sd card.
02:52.18The_Eccentrickk
02:52.23The_Eccentricbertramt, same as u
02:55.43bertramtI haven't tried the new kernels yet I've still been playing with the first one that worked
02:58.10makkonenthere's not much use at this point. Unless you want to run adb commands.
02:58.28bertramtthat was my thinking
02:58.42bertramthas adb been any help yet?
02:58.55makkonenthey're no more stable. they have maybe another couple week's worth of changes from the main gitorious repo integrated, but those don't help much either.
02:59.41makkonenumm... it's been interesting. It helped me figure out the problem with the RIL that made it not dial correctly if there was already a connection from winmo.
02:59.59makkonenbut most of the stuff we really need to track down is lower level, so... not that useful.
03:00.09The_Eccentrictrying again
03:01.45The_EccentricSUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\
03:01.56bertramtyay!
03:02.04The_Eccentricmakkonen, PRO TIPS FTW
03:02.07The_Eccentriclol
03:03.09makkonen:-)
03:05.04makkonenthe_eccentric: ok, now figure out why it's crashing and submit some patches to fix it ;-)
03:05.16The_Eccentriclol
03:05.21bertramtthat would be cool
03:05.25The_Eccentricdoes it stay stuck on the android screen?
03:05.45bertramtsometimes
03:05.55makkonenit shouldn't. Unless it's frozen up. (fairly likely.) it is slow, though.
03:06.14bertramtI had mine freeze there today
03:07.16The_Eccentricsorry processs system is not respoing
03:07.18The_EccentricFAIL!
03:07.20The_Eccentric:(
03:07.46makkonenwelcome to our world.
03:07.52bertramtthats fairly normal... reboot and give it another go..
03:07.53makkonenit's a bit of the blind leading the blind here.
03:08.01The_EccentricLMAO
03:08.08The_Eccentricbertramt, same way?
03:08.27bertramtyeah
03:08.37The_Eccentrickk
03:09.08bertramtare you sure it isn't the crazy leading the blind who are leading the crazy?
03:10.18makkonendoes that make me blind, crazy, or both? regardless, yes.
03:10.50bertramtyes
03:13.21The_Eccentrichow many times yall get that error?
03:15.01bertramtI would have it a 1 in 5 chance that you will make it to 5 minutes without rebooting
03:15.56bertramtsomtimes it isn't bad, others...well.. its a working in progress...
03:17.01The_Eccentrichttp://osokrayzay.com/android/app/ any useful?
03:17.54makkonenooh, pirated software.
03:18.09The_Eccentric:(
03:18.11The_Eccentricbad hgere?
03:18.41makkonenI don't have any issue with it. I can't speak for anyone else.
03:19.12makkonenthere's a copy of touchpal there... which I've wanted to buy for months for the vogue, but they won't let me.
03:25.21The_Eccentriccant wait till i get a non error message
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03:30.36makkonenthe_eccentric: there's a few older builds on connect-utb. try using the 12-8 one, it might be more stable for you.
03:31.42The_Eccentricmakkonen, and that is found?
03:35.37The_Eccentricfail on read lol :D
03:35.38The_Eccentricok
03:35.42The_Eccentricleme try
03:37.30The_Eccentricwell still looking for one on that date
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03:44.40The_EccentricSuccess
03:46.27AstainHellbring?
03:48.02The_Eccentricgood android running on my raplh 800
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04:32.16parmasterThe_Eccentric: what version? cupcake?
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04:42.09parmasterlamusic, cool so everything except for wifi and cam
04:43.04parmasteryeah, i was thinking of getting a Magic/Sapphire... prefer to wait for them to come down in price a bit
04:50.38The_Eccentricparmaster, lol dont really kknow :D
04:55.27parmasteris it android 1.5 or higher?
04:58.41tmztis what?
04:58.51tmztthey are 1.6 official now I think
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06:20.21f22~seen cr2
06:20.22aptcr2 <n=cr2@82.203.205.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 14d 6h 50m 44s ago, saying: 'different'.
06:21.43f22wow, i hope everything is going well for him.
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08:37.23lamusicparmaster: 1.6 at time, but 2.0* Eclair is planned
08:44.48parmastercool
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09:45.08ICEMANno1hey guys, is anyone working on the topaz port atm?
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09:56.12lamusicheum
09:57.54lamusicfor the client of the android with RNDIS, (client linux)
09:58.06lamusicwhat support kernel is avaible ? RNDIS gadget ?
10:05.08phh[03:21:55] <tmzt> phh: there is for vga <-------- how is it called ?
10:06.03phhlamusic: for android it's function not gadget
10:06.47lamusicphh: no for android, for my linux desktop
10:06.55phhah.
10:06.55lamusicbut i thinks i have found
10:06.58phhjust rndis ether
10:07.03phhgadget is for "slave" side
10:07.10lamusicheum
10:07.22lamusicyes but not exist in kernel rndis
10:07.25lamusiconly gadget
10:07.29lamusic(2.6.32)
10:07.37lamusici must be patch my kernel client too ?
10:07.39phhit's in CDC ether
10:07.46lamusicah ok yes
10:07.52lamusici have set this
10:07.54lamusicthanks
10:08.14phhthere is maybe also a suboption, but iirc just cdc ether is enough
10:08.29lamusicok
10:08.40lamusici have set a lot of module CDC and rndis
10:08.49lamusici suppose work, but thanks you :)
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10:18.15lamusicwith only cdc_ether load i don't see the usb0
10:18.41phhon 2.6.32 it should be enough
10:18.51lamusicLinux XenHardened 2.6.32 #2 Sat Dec 19 11:06:26 CET 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
10:18.57lamusicsorry but no :/
10:19.26lamusiclsmod
10:19.26lamusicModule                  Size  Used by
10:19.26lamusiccdc_ether               2615  0
10:19.26lamusicusbnet                  8899  1 cdc_ether
10:19.42lamusicand ifconfig -a not see usb0
10:20.08phhwhat does lsusb says ?
10:20.09phh-s
10:20.20lamusicBus 001 Device 002: ID 0bb4:0c02 High Tech Computer Corp.
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10:21.01phh<PROTECTED>
10:21.04phhyou must also have this one
10:21.13lamusici have set but not i test
10:21.15lamusicthanks !
10:21.28lamusicno
10:21.35lamusicusbnet                  8899  4 rndis_host,cdc_eem,cdc_subset,cdc_ether
10:21.51lamusicah
10:21.52lamusicyes !!
10:22.06lamusici must be start the tether on device for see ....
10:22.08lamusicwowow
10:22.13lamusicphh: thanks you boy !
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10:23.26lamusicworks perfectly
10:23.32lamusicphh: thanks a lot very much :)
10:25.43lamusic<PROTECTED>
10:26.51lamusicyes phh you have reason sorry,
10:26.52lamusicrndis_host              3819  0
10:26.52lamusiccdc_ether               2615  1 rndis_host
10:26.52lamusicusbnet                  8899  2 rndis_host,cdc_ether
10:26.57lamusiconly this is necessary
10:39.52phhfor a camera driver, "internal" or "external" clock, is for the point of view of the board or of the camera ? :D
10:44.07lamusici not sure understand good but ...
10:44.17lamusicthe sensor driver dependant
10:44.32lamusicand the sensor depend (i suppose) of the board
10:44.46lamusicbut for dream and sapphire is the same sensors
10:45.05phhand it's the same for us
10:45.11phhbut that's not the question
10:45.23phhthere are two available clocks, one from the camera, one from the msm soc
10:45.39lamusicoh
10:46.08phhand they call that the internal and the extrnal clock
10:46.17lamusic# CONFIG_SOC_CAMERA is not set ?
10:46.25lamusicCONFIG_MSM_CAMERA=y and this ?
10:46.34phh....
10:46.52lamusici don"t understand i thinks
10:47.17phhto make acommunication between two devices, you need a clock, to send a bit every Nus
10:48.02lamusiccommunication with what part of device ?
10:48.30phhsoc and camera
10:48.49lamusicok
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11:32.49phhis cleaning clock-wince.c, thanks to hero's wince includes.
11:33.03phhand fulling it
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12:01.53mattiashi phh!
12:02.05phhhi mattias
12:02.06mattiasdo you have any news on the blackstone port?
12:02.18mattiasi would like to test some stuff
12:02.36phhno
12:02.49mattiassad
12:03.18mattiasis there already a git for the 2.6.32 port?
12:03.29phhcheck gitorious.org/~tmzt
12:05.09mattiaslast push on the 1. november
12:05.19mattiasnothing newer?
12:05.26phhdon't know
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13:02.16phhgroumpf, even with docs, this clock things is hard
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13:45.34tids2knetripper pong
13:47.35tids2kdid u check the leo rom 2.01 for tmobile !!
13:47.46tids2kit roc ks ... with new manila 19xx40
13:59.58fish1209smashes his htc
14:01.31phhwhy ?
14:01.58fish1209http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7876/snapshotg.png
14:01.59fish1209thats why
14:02.09fish1209been working on it for past few hrs
14:02.25fish1209think i just need a better phone
14:02.44fish1209kaiser 8925 is kinda ooold
14:05.03phhwhat's the point of running debian in android ?
14:05.36phhanyway it's not a matter of age
14:07.02fish1209well i just wanted to see if i could get it running
14:07.08fish1209dont realy like android
14:07.56phhit's easier without android at all ...
14:08.14fish1209ned to find better docs
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14:08.17fish1209need8
14:08.36phhwhy ?
14:08.47phhit's just deboostrap into a loopback filesystem
14:08.50fish1209all the ones i have tried so far nothing seems to work
14:08.53fish1209people having issues
14:09.29phhwhat means "doesn't work" ?
14:10.14fish1209user error;)
14:10.37fish1209just going to wipe my sd and start over
14:11.10phhwipe SD card .. ?
14:11.22phhthat sound a bit extremist.
14:11.26fish1209haha
14:11.54fish1209got to much crap on it  including android
14:12.18fish1209anyway time to ggogle and read
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14:29.42phhgroumpf, i thaught I could easily do battery management and camera with hero's source code
14:29.46phhand none is working :(
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15:15.52leviathanis debugging the qdsp5-driver atm -.-
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15:26.21leviathanqdsp5 is crap
15:26.23leviathan-.-
15:26.29leviathanand this alsa driver too
15:26.42leviathanquestion: what was this with pulse audio?
15:26.51leviathanGNUtoo: pulseaudio?
15:27.57phhleviathan: you can write a pulseaudio driver using playwav's source code
15:28.03phhi think it would be easier
15:28.07leviathanhmm
15:28.08leviathanyes
15:28.13leviathanits better
15:28.32leviathanI think it will be the only usable way
15:28.48leviathanbecause the qdsp5-rpc-alsa way sucks
15:29.09leviathanthe frames get corrupted and are fucking the kernel
15:29.27leviathanso that it dies and reboots
15:29.27leviathanwhile I tried to trace the bug
15:29.37leviathanqdsp5 totaly stoped to work
15:29.39phhnot sure if it's better, because pulseaudio will take some resources
15:29.44leviathanI'm starting to hate it really -.-
15:29.46phhbut definitely the easier one
15:29.53leviathanyes
15:30.18leviathanhow can we combine shr and pulseaudio?
15:32.35phhI thaught they use it no ?
15:32.54leviathanreally? I thought they stopped because of performance reasons
15:32.55leviathanmom
15:34.07phhah maybe
15:36.23leviathanwhere is GNUtoo?
15:38.27GNUtooleviathan, hi
15:39.48leviathanGNUtoo: hi
15:40.12leviathanyou had did some tries to make a pulseaudio driver?
15:40.25leviathanbecause I'm starting to hate it (alsa)
15:40.25GNUtoono
15:40.30GNUtoook
15:40.31leviathanhmm
15:40.47leviathanit sucks more, then I first thought
15:41.03leviathanthe problem lies deep in the implementation of qdsp5 driver
15:41.05leviathan...
15:41.11GNUtooso where is the problem exactly? qdsp5?
15:41.14leviathanyes
15:41.15GNUtoowhat's the one in .32?
15:41.22leviathanyes
15:41.28GNUtooI meant:
15:41.39GNUtoowhere does the .32 one comes from
15:41.47leviathanfrom 2.6.29 :)
15:41.51leviathanthey ported it
15:42.04GNUtooah ok
15:42.06leviathanand its the same phenomenon
15:42.09GNUtooso not newer 2.6.27?
15:42.19leviathanfrom samsung?
15:42.36GNUtoosamsung or snapdragoon
15:42.40leviathanuhhm
15:42.43GNUtoowhatever between the 2
15:42.57leviathanmaybe I should try the one from snapdragon
15:42.58leviathan...
15:43.11leviathandid they implement another qdsp5 driver??
15:43.19GNUtooI bet it's nearly the same than samsung but I did not look into the details
15:43.36leviathani guess its always the same problem
15:43.44GNUtoobut something is shure...
15:43.51leviathanwhat?
15:43.54GNUtoowe are not progressing very fast with alsa in the kernel
15:43.59leviathanyes
15:44.11leviathanthats the reason why I'm asking for pulseaudio
15:44.13leviathan...
15:44.14GNUtooso maybe even if it's doable you could try something between both:
15:44.18GNUtoos/both/
15:44.30GNUtoo*alsa plugin
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15:44.34GNUtoo*pulseaudio plugin
15:44.54GNUtoo*make an aplay daemon....lol...very dirty
15:46.33leviathanone thing is sure
15:46.41leviathanthis driver is driving me crazy
15:46.47leviathandriver = drivin crazy
15:46.50leviathanlol ^^
15:47.07leviathananyway
15:47.51leviathanperhaps we should really think about a new implementation without rpc
15:48.04leviathanmeans direct access of the alsa driver
15:48.13GNUtooif we're not good enough at kernel let's do something userspace
15:48.26leviathanusing the qdsp5 drivers functions and make a direct alsa driver
15:48.40GNUtooit would be great but do we have:
15:48.46GNUtoo*the manpower to do that
15:48.56GNUtoo(time/people etc...)
15:49.05GNUtoo*the competences
15:49.07GNUtoo*the doc
15:49.10leviathanuhhm
15:49.12leviathanright
15:49.23GNUtoopulseaudio would work in no time
15:49.31GNUtooafter feel free to try again with the kernel
15:49.37leviathanohh man, why cant they do something really usefull... these people writing this stuff
15:49.46leviathanif they have a linux platform
15:49.47GNUtoobtw remember....the arch is armv6-novfp
15:49.53leviathanwhy not just using standarts?
15:50.01GNUtoostandarts?
15:50.12leviathanyes, why arent they using standarts?
15:50.17leviathanlike alsa for sound
15:50.19leviathanxorg for gui
15:50.39leviathanwhat did they use for gui? A11 and hw3d
15:50.41leviathan???
15:50.48leviathanand for sound
15:50.50leviathanandroid-sound
15:51.01leviathanand for wifi, they hacked their own wifi-stack?
15:51.05GNUtooleviathan, maybe because they want to prevent GNU/Linux
15:51.15leviathanaha
15:51.26leviathanso why they used linux at all?
15:51.33GNUtoowhen you think of it it makes sense for several reasons
15:51.38leviathanwhy they cant use bsd from the beginning
15:51.39GNUtoobecause they couldn't avoid it
15:51.43leviathanlile apple? -.-
15:51.52leviathan*like
15:51.58GNUtoommm they want to have a lot of hardware support
15:52.06leviathanaha, ok
15:52.11leviathanone-way-cooperation
15:52.13leviathani see
15:52.22GNUtooand the linux kenrel is much better
15:52.37GNUtooI bet they wanted another community
15:52.50GNUtoonot the free software one
15:53.25GNUtooanyway I'll go in 30min max(sport)
15:55.27leviathanok
16:00.10GNUtooleviathan, it seem that nowadays I have less time than you...do you want to do the pulseaudio plugin?
16:00.24leviathanuhhm
16:00.26leviathanyes
16:00.38GNUtoook nice thanks
16:01.03GNUtoobasically when I hacked on alsa I used more than the time that I had for hacking on it
16:01.27GNUtooso now the things I didn't do still need to be done
16:01.52leviathanlike?
16:01.59leviathansport?
16:02.19leviathan:)
16:02.32leviathanor study?
16:02.49GNUtoostudy and other things
16:03.01GNUtoosports is only one day a week
16:03.29leviathanok
16:06.52leviathanthe android guys didnt fix the usbgadget issue yet
16:06.55leviathanin 2.6.32
16:06.58leviathani did
16:07.14leviathan-.-
16:07.32leviathandidnt even take 10min
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18:00.16stiltzkinhey guys. I have a n00b question. Thinking about finally flashing android to nand on my vogue. Reading dzo's post here: http://bit.ly/7BFZZ7, he mentions that I need a "HardSPL" beforehand. I think I get the gist of the difference between a hardSPL and softSPL, but my question is do I have what I need if I've never flashed a custom WinCE ROM or anything? I've only ever used the stock WinMo ROM or Android via Haret.
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18:20.11parmasteryou'll want to upgrade your radio vers
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18:25.19stiltzkinparmaster: ...how might I go about doing that?
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18:31.54makkonenstiltzkin: this seems pretty comprehensive. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592964
18:33.02makkonenI assume you only need to follow that through step 3, and step 3 is merged with the instructions in the android on nand thread. I know someone laid it out pretty simply somewhere.
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18:33.50makkonenas long as you've got a relatively modern radio (GPS enabled), I wouldn't worry about all the radio stuff.
18:36.11stiltzkinmakkonen: I'm not even sure what the gps capabilities of my phone are. I read somewhere that the vanilla GPS chip can only be accessed for E911 data, and that all other applications use aGPS (which I can't access; I have no data plan on this phone)
18:36.32stiltzkinmakkonen: thanks for the link though
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18:58.49tmztyou don't need data for aGSP
18:58.55tmztjust to update it
18:59.27tmztuse the dtpt in activesync to do that
18:59.42tmztthe gps should work on some of the phones unless it's disabled
19:00.29tmztstill: join #xda-devs
19:00.46tmztI need to read the instructions though if dzo is supporting this now
19:01.16tmztawesome, it's a total breakthrough in the history of htc linux projects except for the very very early ipaq stuff
19:02.33tmztpulse for adsp?
19:02.39tmztor to workaround alsa?
19:03.58tmztqsd uses qdsp6
19:04.35phhpulse using /dev/msm_pcm
19:04.57tmzthmm
19:04.59tmztno dma?
19:05.33tmztstiltzkin: join #xda-devs ask about vogue hspl
19:05.46tmztplease let me read those instructions before flashing
19:05.53tmztI assume they are in the vogue forum?
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19:48.16stiltzkintmzt: thanks, I probably will. the guide that makkonen posted is just what I was lookin for though. Gonna have to make some coffee and do it right over the weekend :)
19:49.44stiltzkintmzt: it also has the stock verizon rom attached, which makes me feel a lot better about doing this
19:50.43stiltzkintmzt: reminds me of the first time I installed Linux and wiped out Windows. Somewhat scary, but oddly freeing ;)
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21:14.39klinuxhi
21:16.10klinuxcould someone help me I'm trying to compile a kernel, I followed instructions in the wiki page/diam forum but it stops at this level:
21:18.25klinuxarm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: libgcc.a no such file
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21:34.22MrPippythats a weird error to get
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21:47.14JDShadowlineanyone here good at building kernels?
21:47.58MrPippyyeah i do it a lot
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21:48.21JDShadowlineI use make zImage ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- but there is no documentation on what comes after. Any tips or hints for it?
21:48.29makkonenI do too. I would say that makes me not good at it.
21:48.59makkonenafter that you copy the zImage to your device. it's in arch/arm/boot/
21:49.08makkonenthen you boot.
21:49.11makkonenthen it crashes.
21:49.11JDShadowlineno it asks me a load of questions.
21:49.16makkonenthen you cry.
21:49.36makkonenoh. ok. then before you make zImage, you 'make ARCH=arm htc_msm_android_defconfig'
21:49.41JDShadowlineyea i cant make it to the copy, crash and cry stage, only the hopeful i think this will works stage
21:49.54JDShadowline:P
21:49.59makkonenassuming you're using the gitorious repo.
21:50.25makkonenand building for a raph/diam/black/(topa?/rhod?)
21:50.31JDShadowlinethe repo I used was http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=summary
21:50.43JDShadowlineand under the 2.5.27 tree
21:50.56JDShadowline*2.6.27 sorry
21:51.16makkonenok. well, check the arch/arm/configs directory. I think there's a few different defconfigs in there. not really sure which one you want to use for whatever you're doing.
21:51.17JDShadowlinewhich repo do you think is better? (I am building for the topaz)
21:51.42JDShadowlineI used HTCTopaz_Defconfig
21:52.00makkonenI think gitorious... but I'm not sure where the work on topaz and rhodium is actually going.
21:53.44makkonenok. well, that defconfig's in both of them. I don't know why it would start throwing a bunch of config questions at you... I was just assuming they were config questions.
21:55.27JDShadowlinei will check the gitorious version
21:55.52makkonenwhat are the questions it asks you?
21:56.02MrPippyif the topaz_defconfig is out of date it'll ask you about the configs that have changed
21:56.14JDShadowlineone min, i will try to do it again to be more specific
21:56.23makkonenah
21:56.23makkonenthat makes sense
21:57.17makkonenI don't know if topaz support was rolled into the htc_msm_android_defconfig along with everything else.
21:58.02JDShadowlineI know cr2 was working in the linuxtogo git so I am unsure what is in the gitorus git for it yet...
21:58.41makkonenah. yeah. I'm not sure if cr2's stuff ever got to either repo, actually.
21:59.17makkonenwhere did that pic of the android start screen come from? how'd you manage that without building a new kernel?
22:00.19makkonenMrPippy: Are you still using AMSS version 6150, or did you give up on that?
22:00.50MrPippylately i've been using 5200, i don't think it makes any difference
22:01.05makkonennods
22:01.41makkonen6120 and 6125 both gave me crashes... 6150 got me about where I always get -- android screen came up, and then it crashed sometime shortly thereafter.
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22:03.10MrPippyyeah our amss is 6150
22:03.28MrPippybut i dont think the kernel does anything different for 5200 vs 6150
22:03.39MrPippyright now i really want to get sound-out working again
22:04.23JDShadowlinefirst it complains about "make: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: command not found"
22:04.25makkonenthere's a few changes in smd.c that are specific to 6120 and 6125... I'm wondering if they also apply to 6150. got to go in and manually apply some of the changes and see what happens.
22:04.31JDShadowlinethen it says "restart config"
22:04.38JDShadowlinethen asks for the system type
22:04.43makkonensounds like your PATH is wrong
22:04.58JDShadowlineI did set it... don't know why it would be wrong...
22:05.52makkonenhmm. I don't know. I tried to help someone else troubleshoot that last night, and totally failed. I'm not a savvy-enough linux user to think of all the weird things that can go wrong.
22:06.07WigglerAwayShadowline, I should point out the recent patches people have been doing to get android started on topaz aren't commited to any repo atm
22:06.15JDShadowlineI used (and this is the correct path) "export PATH=~/android-kernel/arm-2008q3/bin:$PATH
22:06.58WigglerAwaydid you install the cross-compiling toolchain to that location?
22:08.00MrPippyyeah if you can't run arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc from a command line after setting that PATH then the PATH must be wrong
22:08.00JDShadowlineI am trying to get the kernel from the repo, then patch, and compile, but I am just trying to compile it first :P
22:08.00JDShadowlineyes i did install it to that location
22:08.11WigglerAwayok :P type echo $PATH and check your path is as you expect
22:08.19JDShadowlineok
22:08.45JDShadowlinesays it is there.
22:11.06WigglerAwaywierd, does 'ls ~/android-kernel/arm-2008q3/bin' show you the compilation executables?
22:11.12JDShadowlinelet me swtich to an irc that is on my linux box so i can copy and paste things :P
22:11.44JDShadowlineshows files there
22:12.21makkonenlike arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc? and is it executable?
22:13.39JDShadowlinestupid question but i forgot how to check that (but that file is there)
22:13.39makkonenls -l
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22:14.33makkonenand it should show, in the 9 - or rwx portions on the left side 3 x-es
22:15.03Shadowline-rwxr-xr-x 1 shadowline shadowline  480776 2008-11-18 07:06 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-addr2line
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22:15.13Shadowlineseems ok i assume.
22:15.16Shadowline?
22:15.17makkonenok. yeah
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22:17.51Shadowlineanyway also on the first thing, it asks me things like
22:17.52Shadowline* MSM Board Type
22:17.52Shadowline*
22:17.52ShadowlineHalibut Board (QCT SURF7201A) (MACH_HALIBUT) [Y/n/?] (NEW)
22:18.15ShadowlineI had assumed questions like this are normal in the building process?
22:18.35Shadowlinesome things it seems to answer itself though.
22:19.59WigglerAwayonly if you want to create a new config file. You'll probably just want to use a pre-existing one
22:21.18ShadowlineI don't have a pre-existing one...
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22:21.33makkonenyou have htctopaz_defconfig
22:21.52Shadowlinedoesn't seem to want to use it as it seems
22:21.59makkonenor htc_msm_android_defconfig
22:22.14sentinel79hey shadowline
22:22.17phhdon't use htc_msm_android_defconfig for topaz
22:22.25phhboth amss aren't merged yet
22:22.34Shadowlineim using htctopaz_defaultconfig
22:22.37phhI'll wait for something to work before merging
22:22.44Shadowline*defconfig
22:22.52Shadowlinehello sentinel79
22:23.47WigglerAwayphh, is the repo on gitorious yours?
22:23.59phhhtc-msm-2.6.27 yes
22:24.39WigglerAwaywould I be able to get commit privs for some topaz changes
22:25.02phhtmzt: i totally failed my tests for half of my todolist today, so tomorrow i'll retry 2.6.32
22:25.22phhWigglerAway: first show me some of your patches
22:25.30Shadowlinewell let me ask this is "make htctopaz_defconfig ARCH=arm; make menuconfig" a proper command?
22:25.43phhon linuxtogo some devs were accepted too easily imho
22:25.58phhShadowline: you have to put the ARCH=arm for both command
22:26.21phhyou can do "export ARCH=arm ;make htctopaz_defconfig;make menuconfig" for example
22:26.51Shadowlinehmm
22:27.04WigglerAwayphh: fair enough, tbh that's rather why I would commit to the gitorious repo
22:28.15Shadowlinehmm that command helped it seems. the menu that shows actually makes more sense (well now it is more device specific.)
22:28.38Shadowlineseems to have all the options it was previously annnoying me with aswell
22:29.02phhyes, if ARCH is not specified, it uses your computers arch
22:29.06phhx86 most likely
22:29.52Shadowlinethough it still says command not found when i try to compile, then dies later on
22:30.03Shadowline/bin/sh: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: not found
22:30.03Shadowlinemake[1]: *** [kernel/bounds.s] Error 127
22:30.03Shadowlinemake: *** [prepare0] Error 2
22:30.06WigglerAwayphh: I've got a load of changes that I'll have to distill down into individual patches, I'll send you an email when I'm done
22:30.23phhI can distill it by myself if you want
22:30.28phhShadowline: you also have to set the correct PATH
22:30.44Shadowlinei have, at least it shows me the path is correct.
22:31.03Shadowlineit points to the "missing" files and they are executable.
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22:31.47Shadowline~/android-kernel/kernel$ make zImage ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi-
22:31.47Shadowlinemake: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found
22:31.47Shadowlinescripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
22:31.48Shadowlinemake: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found
22:33.05Shadowlinelet me dig deeper...
22:33.49Shadowlineahh got it...
22:33.54Shadowlinebuilding
22:36.28Shadowlineah with that out of the way things should go easier. Thanks :D
22:36.40Shadowlineso WigglerAway any luck on your end?
22:45.27WigglerAwayluck?
22:46.23JDShadowlineyou were doing some topaz stuff. :P
22:47.59phhWigglerAway: can I see your current patch btw ?
22:48.56WigglerAwayphh, I sent an email
22:49.00phhok
22:50.26WigglerAwayJDShadowline: I fixed the battery reporting and implemented the keys
22:50.47Shadowlinenice job :P
22:52.05sentinel79hard keys are working?
22:52.29WigglerAwayyep
22:52.46Shadowlineoh WigglerAway did you get my PM on build hosting and such?
22:53.51WigglerAwayno, I hadn't seen it
22:54.32ShadowlineI gave you and one other FTP access to upload any files android related on my server.
22:54.59ShadowlineThat way if you need it, you have it already.
22:56.13WigglerAwayok, cheers
22:56.37JDShadowline:D good luck, I am out for a few hours.
22:56.41JDShadowlinel8r
22:56.44WigglerAwayandroid is still crashing consistently after a minute so I wasn't planning on zipping up a rom but I guess it's still fun to see
22:57.12WigglerAwayme too, I want to watch the football highlight
22:57.31phhWigglerAway: for mmc, please use board-htcraphael-mmc.c, instead of using board-htctopaz-mmc.c
22:58.01phhwith some startup if() maybe for gpios
22:59.22phh+       {KEY_END,               83,             0, "Power button",      EV_KEY,         1,      0},
22:59.27phhare you sure it's what you want ?
22:59.43phhI don't think it's the best idea for android
22:59.52phh+       {BTN_STYLUS,            37,             0, "Stylus removal",    EV_KEY,         1,      0},
23:00.06phhisn't that gpio set to 1 when stylus is in and to 0 when it's out ?
23:00.17phhif so, using a BTN is a bad idea I think
23:01.38phhthe normal way is a SW_XXXX I think
23:01.45phh(and you have to change the EV_KEY param)
23:03.08WigglerAwaythe key_end appears to be what the standard builds of android use for the power button but no problem changing it as it differs from the rest of the htc code
23:04.18phhwell it's not the behaviour used on raph/diam/blac at least
23:04.49WigglerAwayI'll take your advice on the stylus removal
23:06.50WigglerAwaythat's what I mean, feel free to change it to PWRK however I already have a home key mapped in the board-htc-topaz-keypad.c
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23:07.22phhok
23:07.52phhbtw, you didn't gave it :p
23:07.57phh(i mean the board-htctopaz-keypad.c)
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23:10.45WigglerAwayahh, ok, I'll get it you in a bit
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23:39.40MrPippymakkonen: i finally got audio working with a recent kernel, setting amss to 6150 is the key
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23:58.41phoenixzorny'all know if you buy a Droid or Eris this weekend from Verizon, you get a Free Eris as well?

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