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00:38.45 | townkat | anyone please can help with some linux related info ? |
00:38.48 | townkat | non android related |
00:39.25 | townkat | i am playing with tinycore, a live linux version |
00:40.19 | townkat | and have some problem understanding why some files writen from linux to a fat32 partition are not visible from xp (an usb stick shared to both oses) |
00:41.49 | polyrhythmic | what files |
00:41.50 | polyrhythmic | ? |
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00:45.25 | townkat | there is a folder wich is not visible from windows |
00:45.31 | townkat | an i dont understand why |
00:45.38 | townkat | it is on /mnt/hda1 |
00:46.35 | townkat | i can see /mnt/hda1/tce/ from linux but not from windows |
00:47.40 | polyrhythmic | it's not hidden or symlinked or anything is it? |
00:48.09 | polyrhythmic | I've had problems where Windows can't see the entire partition, but Linux can.... |
00:48.15 | polyrhythmic | but I've never had it happen with individual files |
00:48.21 | townkat | ill make a screenshot |
00:48.25 | townkat | both from win and lin |
00:48.27 | townkat | k ? |
00:48.30 | polyrhythmic | ok cool |
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00:49.45 | JDShadowline | hello linux lovers from afar |
00:50.33 | JDShadowline | hello WiggleAway :P |
00:50.48 | townkat | http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3483/hiddenfolder.jpg |
00:51.24 | townkat | i have show hidden files and folders under xp checked |
00:51.45 | townkat | i donw knoad what symlink is |
00:52.06 | townkat | i dont know what symlink is |
00:53.28 | townkat | ahh, a shortcut |
00:53.35 | townkat | i dont think so |
01:21.55 | aavan | well well well |
01:22.09 | aavan | I'm out of ideas about that thing, and out of energy too |
01:22.48 | aavan | I'm gonna call it a night, gn everybody |
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01:30.02 | townkat | :) |
01:30.02 | townkat | gn |
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02:07.23 | The_Eccentric | hey |
02:07.58 | The_Eccentric | well i tried htc-linux.org, and there is no step by step guide on putting nix on your phone |
02:08.06 | The_Eccentric | can some one point me to a gudie |
02:08.08 | The_Eccentric | guide |
02:08.14 | JDShadowline | hmm Android on topaz for christmas :D yay! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5176632&postcount=416 |
02:08.14 | The_Eccentric | i have Raph800 |
02:08.19 | JDShadowline | which device |
02:08.24 | The_Eccentric | i have Raph800 |
02:08.25 | JDShadowline | ah nevermind spoke too late :P |
02:08.34 | The_Eccentric | lol |
02:08.55 | The_Eccentric | ive looked a round xda site |
02:09.06 | makkonen | JDShadowline: awesome. |
02:09.12 | The_Eccentric | and dont see a straight foward guide |
02:09.19 | JDShadowline | well do you have the files already The_Eccentric ? |
02:09.25 | The_Eccentric | no sire |
02:09.27 | The_Eccentric | sir |
02:09.32 | The_Eccentric | where do i get them plz? |
02:09.43 | makkonen | the_eccentric: the latest files are on google wave. |
02:09.50 | The_Eccentric | for serial |
02:09.54 | The_Eccentric | :/ |
02:10.08 | The_Eccentric | for real* |
02:10.08 | JDShadowline | google wave? |
02:10.09 | makkonen | but you don't need them. let me get links to connect-utb. |
02:10.20 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, ty ty |
02:10.28 | JDShadowline | http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=folder&Itemid=68&id=51:htc-raphael-diamond-blackstone |
02:10.44 | tmzt | The_Eccentric: raph800 still has some issues |
02:10.46 | makkonen | yes. that's the base files. you need all those. |
02:10.56 | tmzt | JDShadowline: who said that? |
02:11.11 | JDShadowline | who said what |
02:11.24 | JDShadowline | people say a lot of things |
02:11.27 | makkonen | the_eccentric: and then http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=file&Itemid=68&id=81:raph800-kernel-image-pack for the raph800 specific files. |
02:11.28 | The_Eccentric | tmzt, how bad? |
02:11.31 | JDShadowline | defince "that" |
02:11.36 | JDShadowline | *define :P |
02:11.54 | polyrhythmic | townkat: weird. Can you try renaming the /tce folder, then create a new /tce folder using XP and move the files into it with linux |
02:12.04 | makkonen | the_eccentric: it crashes a lot. microphone doesn't work. battery drains in no time flat. |
02:12.17 | makkonen | in short, it is not usable for anything but experimentation and testing. |
02:12.18 | polyrhythmic | townkat: FAT32 is a bad Filesystem, has a lot of problems |
02:12.57 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, Perfect (not being scarcastic)! |
02:12.57 | makkonen | :-) |
02:12.57 | The_Eccentric | thats all im using it for |
02:12.57 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, so just put those on my sd card? |
02:12.59 | tmzt | phh: there is for vga |
02:13.09 | tmzt | and it's on camr interface not mddi |
02:13.15 | tmzt | it just needs adapted |
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02:16.05 | bertramt | evening |
02:16.24 | makkonen | the_eccentric: yes. and then switch out the raph800 startup.txt from the startup configs folder. And give it a shot. |
02:17.01 | The_Eccentric | <PROTECTED> |
02:17.07 | The_Eccentric | or do you mean just delete?> |
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02:17.37 | makkonen | delete the one in the root directory, replace it with the one in the startup configs folder. |
02:17.45 | The_Eccentric | kk |
02:18.52 | makkonen | msg me if you have trouble. I'ma go bake some cookies now. |
02:19.05 | The_Eccentric | lol |
02:19.06 | The_Eccentric | kk |
02:19.07 | The_Eccentric | ty |
02:23.51 | bertramt | I'm trading my raph800 in for a Sprint TP2 next week |
02:24.44 | bertramt | anybody hopeful that we will have a semi usable kernel for that TP2 anytime soon? |
02:26.02 | makkonen | well, jdshadowline just posted a pic of the android start screen on a topaz, which is farther than anyone's gotten before... so, sooner than I would've guessed an hour ago. but... I wouldn't say soon. |
02:26.43 | bertramt | at least thats is hopeful:) |
02:26.44 | JDShadowline | true, it boots. but that is as much as you get out of it. |
02:27.07 | bertramt | thats all we had on the raph800 two weeks ago too.. |
02:27.12 | JDShadowline | crashes after a min, no battery info, no gsm info (def no CDMA yet) |
02:27.46 | makkonen | yeah. the 7600 is even farther away from being supported than the 7500. |
02:29.02 | bertramt | I am getting a warranty swap on my phone and getting another TP wasn't an option and its hard to turn down a free TP2 |
02:29.48 | JDShadowline | i dunno free sounds kinda bad , i mean who would want an upgrade without paying for it... |
02:29.55 | JDShadowline | ;) |
02:30.00 | bertramt | :) |
02:30.07 | makkonen | yeah. I wouldn't pass that up. I'll suffer WinMo for 800x480, integrated 3.5mm jack, etc etc |
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02:30.36 | makkonen | JDShadowline: Real Americans. that's who. |
02:30.47 | bertramt | I might miss the crappy dpad |
02:30.56 | JDShadowline | i do miss a dpad... |
02:31.00 | JDShadowline | but ill live |
02:31.03 | makkonen | god I hate that dpad so much. |
02:31.06 | JDShadowline | wvga is nice :D |
02:31.21 | bertramt | I'm not really sure whats worse the TP dpad or not having one.. :) |
02:31.22 | JDShadowline | and i like nothing but screen devices |
02:31.31 | makkonen | every time I use my girlfriend's vogue, I'm awed by how you can... click left to go left, and click right to go right. |
02:32.01 | JDShadowline | hmm vogue, is it running android? |
02:32.01 | bertramt | I have a few spare vogues |
02:32.26 | bertramt | and I have a spare TP that doesn't seem to do CDMA data at all |
02:32.31 | makkonen | jd: oh yeah. so nice. |
02:32.48 | bertramt | I wonder if I could send that to somebody to help with the project.. |
02:33.12 | The_Eccentric | welp ima bout to launch Haret |
02:33.15 | The_Eccentric | wis me luch |
02:33.17 | The_Eccentric | lol |
02:33.18 | JDShadowline | good luck |
02:33.22 | The_Eccentric | wiish me luck * |
02:34.12 | bertramt | makkonen: know of anybody that I might be able to ship a TP to to help out? |
02:34.48 | AstainHellbring | bertramt what tp you looking for? |
02:35.06 | makkonen | see if you can sweet talk dzo into jumping into the next generation. :-) |
02:36.14 | bertramt | I have a spare one that seems to work just fine except refuses to provision CDMA data (works for voice) |
02:36.36 | The_Eccentric | is in normanl to be stuck on mmcblk0: p1 ???? |
02:36.38 | The_Eccentric | normal |
02:36.49 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, is in normal to be stuck on mmcblk0: p1 ???? |
02:37.00 | The_Eccentric | been sitting there for a few mins |
02:37.07 | bertramt | I think i've had that problem before |
02:37.14 | The_Eccentric | :( |
02:37.19 | The_Eccentric | fixable or no |
02:37.35 | AstainHellbring | bertramt what carrier you have? |
02:38.02 | makkonen | eccentric: fixable. download the files from the second link. delete all the zImages you have on your sd card and replace them with the one from that second download. |
02:38.10 | bertramt | AstainHellbring: Sprint |
02:38.18 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, again??? |
02:38.26 | bertramt | AstainHellbring: Raph800 |
02:38.39 | The_Eccentric | bertramt, nice :D |
02:38.42 | AstainHellbring | bertramt did you try flashing back to stock and hard reset? |
02:39.44 | makkonen | eccentric: it's loading the wrong zImage. I'm not sure why, I'm just saying get rid of whatever's on there now, and put the newest one on, and rename it to just 'zImage' |
02:39.48 | bertramt | AstainHellbring: Yeah, I think about 5 clear storages and a complete reflash |
02:39.58 | The_Eccentric | kk |
02:39.59 | AstainHellbring | wierd |
02:40.16 | AstainHellbring | try just doing the iota a bunch of times |
02:40.28 | bertramt | AstainHellbring: Sprint store spent 2 hours trying to make it work |
02:41.35 | AstainHellbring | wow bertramt |
02:41.40 | AstainHellbring | did they replace it for you? |
02:42.54 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, reaname all of them zimage? |
02:43.43 | bertramt | not yet. it was our spare at work, we didn't have active service on it. |
02:47.28 | The_Eccentric | rage |
02:47.30 | The_Eccentric | <PROTECTED> |
02:47.34 | The_Eccentric | still not working |
02:47.42 | The_Eccentric | maybe i did something wrong |
02:48.26 | bertramt | The_Eccentric: what device do you have? |
02:49.55 | makkonen | theeccentric: delete all of them off your sdcard. find the one that's in the 12-17-09 file, rename it to zImage, and put it on your sd card. |
02:52.18 | The_Eccentric | kk |
02:52.23 | The_Eccentric | bertramt, same as u |
02:55.43 | bertramt | I haven't tried the new kernels yet I've still been playing with the first one that worked |
02:58.10 | makkonen | there's not much use at this point. Unless you want to run adb commands. |
02:58.28 | bertramt | that was my thinking |
02:58.42 | bertramt | has adb been any help yet? |
02:58.55 | makkonen | they're no more stable. they have maybe another couple week's worth of changes from the main gitorious repo integrated, but those don't help much either. |
02:59.41 | makkonen | umm... it's been interesting. It helped me figure out the problem with the RIL that made it not dial correctly if there was already a connection from winmo. |
02:59.59 | makkonen | but most of the stuff we really need to track down is lower level, so... not that useful. |
03:00.09 | The_Eccentric | trying again |
03:01.45 | The_Eccentric | SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\ |
03:01.56 | bertramt | yay! |
03:02.04 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, PRO TIPS FTW |
03:02.07 | The_Eccentric | lol |
03:03.09 | makkonen | :-) |
03:05.04 | makkonen | the_eccentric: ok, now figure out why it's crashing and submit some patches to fix it ;-) |
03:05.16 | The_Eccentric | lol |
03:05.21 | bertramt | that would be cool |
03:05.25 | The_Eccentric | does it stay stuck on the android screen? |
03:05.45 | bertramt | sometimes |
03:05.55 | makkonen | it shouldn't. Unless it's frozen up. (fairly likely.) it is slow, though. |
03:06.14 | bertramt | I had mine freeze there today |
03:07.16 | The_Eccentric | sorry processs system is not respoing |
03:07.18 | The_Eccentric | FAIL! |
03:07.20 | The_Eccentric | :( |
03:07.46 | makkonen | welcome to our world. |
03:07.52 | bertramt | thats fairly normal... reboot and give it another go.. |
03:07.53 | makkonen | it's a bit of the blind leading the blind here. |
03:08.01 | The_Eccentric | LMAO |
03:08.08 | The_Eccentric | bertramt, same way? |
03:08.27 | bertramt | yeah |
03:08.37 | The_Eccentric | kk |
03:09.08 | bertramt | are you sure it isn't the crazy leading the blind who are leading the crazy? |
03:10.18 | makkonen | does that make me blind, crazy, or both? regardless, yes. |
03:10.50 | bertramt | yes |
03:13.21 | The_Eccentric | how many times yall get that error? |
03:15.01 | bertramt | I would have it a 1 in 5 chance that you will make it to 5 minutes without rebooting |
03:15.56 | bertramt | somtimes it isn't bad, others...well.. its a working in progress... |
03:17.01 | The_Eccentric | http://osokrayzay.com/android/app/ any useful? |
03:17.54 | makkonen | ooh, pirated software. |
03:18.09 | The_Eccentric | :( |
03:18.11 | The_Eccentric | bad hgere? |
03:18.41 | makkonen | I don't have any issue with it. I can't speak for anyone else. |
03:19.12 | makkonen | there's a copy of touchpal there... which I've wanted to buy for months for the vogue, but they won't let me. |
03:25.21 | The_Eccentric | cant wait till i get a non error message |
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03:30.36 | makkonen | the_eccentric: there's a few older builds on connect-utb. try using the 12-8 one, it might be more stable for you. |
03:31.42 | The_Eccentric | makkonen, and that is found? |
03:35.37 | The_Eccentric | fail on read lol :D |
03:35.38 | The_Eccentric | ok |
03:35.42 | The_Eccentric | leme try |
03:37.30 | The_Eccentric | well still looking for one on that date |
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03:44.40 | The_Eccentric | Success |
03:46.27 | AstainHellbring | ? |
03:48.02 | The_Eccentric | good android running on my raplh 800 |
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04:32.16 | parmaster | The_Eccentric: what version? cupcake? |
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04:42.09 | parmaster | lamusic, cool so everything except for wifi and cam |
04:43.04 | parmaster | yeah, i was thinking of getting a Magic/Sapphire... prefer to wait for them to come down in price a bit |
04:50.38 | The_Eccentric | parmaster, lol dont really kknow :D |
04:55.27 | parmaster | is it android 1.5 or higher? |
04:58.41 | tmzt | is what? |
04:58.51 | tmzt | they are 1.6 official now I think |
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06:20.21 | f22 | ~seen cr2 |
06:20.22 | apt | cr2 <n=cr2@82.203.205.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 14d 6h 50m 44s ago, saying: 'different'. |
06:21.43 | f22 | wow, i hope everything is going well for him. |
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08:37.23 | lamusic | parmaster: 1.6 at time, but 2.0* Eclair is planned |
08:44.48 | parmaster | cool |
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09:45.08 | ICEMANno1 | hey guys, is anyone working on the topaz port atm? |
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09:56.12 | lamusic | heum |
09:57.54 | lamusic | for the client of the android with RNDIS, (client linux) |
09:58.06 | lamusic | what support kernel is avaible ? RNDIS gadget ? |
10:05.08 | phh | [03:21:55] <tmzt> phh: there is for vga <-------- how is it called ? |
10:06.03 | phh | lamusic: for android it's function not gadget |
10:06.47 | lamusic | phh: no for android, for my linux desktop |
10:06.55 | phh | ah. |
10:06.55 | lamusic | but i thinks i have found |
10:06.58 | phh | just rndis ether |
10:07.03 | phh | gadget is for "slave" side |
10:07.10 | lamusic | heum |
10:07.22 | lamusic | yes but not exist in kernel rndis |
10:07.25 | lamusic | only gadget |
10:07.29 | lamusic | (2.6.32) |
10:07.37 | lamusic | i must be patch my kernel client too ? |
10:07.39 | phh | it's in CDC ether |
10:07.46 | lamusic | ah ok yes |
10:07.52 | lamusic | i have set this |
10:07.54 | lamusic | thanks |
10:08.14 | phh | there is maybe also a suboption, but iirc just cdc ether is enough |
10:08.29 | lamusic | ok |
10:08.40 | lamusic | i have set a lot of module CDC and rndis |
10:08.49 | lamusic | i suppose work, but thanks you :) |
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10:18.15 | lamusic | with only cdc_ether load i don't see the usb0 |
10:18.41 | phh | on 2.6.32 it should be enough |
10:18.51 | lamusic | Linux XenHardened 2.6.32 #2 Sat Dec 19 11:06:26 CET 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
10:18.57 | lamusic | sorry but no :/ |
10:19.26 | lamusic | lsmod |
10:19.26 | lamusic | Module Size Used by |
10:19.26 | lamusic | cdc_ether 2615 0 |
10:19.26 | lamusic | usbnet 8899 1 cdc_ether |
10:19.42 | lamusic | and ifconfig -a not see usb0 |
10:20.08 | phh | what does lsusb says ? |
10:20.09 | phh | -s |
10:20.20 | lamusic | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bb4:0c02 High Tech Computer Corp. |
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10:21.01 | phh | <PROTECTED> |
10:21.04 | phh | you must also have this one |
10:21.13 | lamusic | i have set but not i test |
10:21.15 | lamusic | thanks ! |
10:21.28 | lamusic | no |
10:21.35 | lamusic | usbnet 8899 4 rndis_host,cdc_eem,cdc_subset,cdc_ether |
10:21.51 | lamusic | ah |
10:21.52 | lamusic | yes !! |
10:22.06 | lamusic | i must be start the tether on device for see .... |
10:22.08 | lamusic | wowow |
10:22.13 | lamusic | phh: thanks you boy ! |
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10:23.26 | lamusic | works perfectly |
10:23.32 | lamusic | phh: thanks a lot very much :) |
10:25.43 | lamusic | <PROTECTED> |
10:26.51 | lamusic | yes phh you have reason sorry, |
10:26.52 | lamusic | rndis_host 3819 0 |
10:26.52 | lamusic | cdc_ether 2615 1 rndis_host |
10:26.52 | lamusic | usbnet 8899 2 rndis_host,cdc_ether |
10:26.57 | lamusic | only this is necessary |
10:39.52 | phh | for a camera driver, "internal" or "external" clock, is for the point of view of the board or of the camera ? :D |
10:44.07 | lamusic | i not sure understand good but ... |
10:44.17 | lamusic | the sensor driver dependant |
10:44.32 | lamusic | and the sensor depend (i suppose) of the board |
10:44.46 | lamusic | but for dream and sapphire is the same sensors |
10:45.05 | phh | and it's the same for us |
10:45.11 | phh | but that's not the question |
10:45.23 | phh | there are two available clocks, one from the camera, one from the msm soc |
10:45.39 | lamusic | oh |
10:46.08 | phh | and they call that the internal and the extrnal clock |
10:46.17 | lamusic | # CONFIG_SOC_CAMERA is not set ? |
10:46.25 | lamusic | CONFIG_MSM_CAMERA=y and this ? |
10:46.34 | phh | .... |
10:46.52 | lamusic | i don"t understand i thinks |
10:47.17 | phh | to make acommunication between two devices, you need a clock, to send a bit every Nus |
10:48.02 | lamusic | communication with what part of device ? |
10:48.30 | phh | soc and camera |
10:48.49 | lamusic | ok |
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11:32.49 | phh | is cleaning clock-wince.c, thanks to hero's wince includes. |
11:33.03 | phh | and fulling it |
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12:01.53 | mattias | hi phh! |
12:02.05 | phh | hi mattias |
12:02.06 | mattias | do you have any news on the blackstone port? |
12:02.18 | mattias | i would like to test some stuff |
12:02.36 | phh | no |
12:02.49 | mattias | sad |
12:03.18 | mattias | is there already a git for the 2.6.32 port? |
12:03.29 | phh | check gitorious.org/~tmzt |
12:05.09 | mattias | last push on the 1. november |
12:05.19 | mattias | nothing newer? |
12:05.26 | phh | don't know |
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13:02.16 | phh | groumpf, even with docs, this clock things is hard |
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13:45.34 | tids2k | netripper pong |
13:47.35 | tids2k | did u check the leo rom 2.01 for tmobile !! |
13:47.46 | tids2k | it roc ks ... with new manila 19xx40 |
13:59.58 | fish1209 | smashes his htc |
14:01.31 | phh | why ? |
14:01.58 | fish1209 | http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7876/snapshotg.png |
14:01.59 | fish1209 | thats why |
14:02.09 | fish1209 | been working on it for past few hrs |
14:02.25 | fish1209 | think i just need a better phone |
14:02.44 | fish1209 | kaiser 8925 is kinda ooold |
14:05.03 | phh | what's the point of running debian in android ? |
14:05.36 | phh | anyway it's not a matter of age |
14:07.02 | fish1209 | well i just wanted to see if i could get it running |
14:07.08 | fish1209 | dont realy like android |
14:07.56 | phh | it's easier without android at all ... |
14:08.14 | fish1209 | ned to find better docs |
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14:08.17 | fish1209 | need8 |
14:08.36 | phh | why ? |
14:08.47 | phh | it's just deboostrap into a loopback filesystem |
14:08.50 | fish1209 | all the ones i have tried so far nothing seems to work |
14:08.53 | fish1209 | people having issues |
14:09.29 | phh | what means "doesn't work" ? |
14:10.14 | fish1209 | user error;) |
14:10.37 | fish1209 | just going to wipe my sd and start over |
14:11.10 | phh | wipe SD card .. ? |
14:11.22 | phh | that sound a bit extremist. |
14:11.26 | fish1209 | haha |
14:11.54 | fish1209 | got to much crap on it including android |
14:12.18 | fish1209 | anyway time to ggogle and read |
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14:29.42 | phh | groumpf, i thaught I could easily do battery management and camera with hero's source code |
14:29.46 | phh | and none is working :( |
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15:15.52 | leviathan | is debugging the qdsp5-driver atm -.- |
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15:26.21 | leviathan | qdsp5 is crap |
15:26.23 | leviathan | -.- |
15:26.29 | leviathan | and this alsa driver too |
15:26.42 | leviathan | question: what was this with pulse audio? |
15:26.51 | leviathan | GNUtoo: pulseaudio? |
15:27.57 | phh | leviathan: you can write a pulseaudio driver using playwav's source code |
15:28.03 | phh | i think it would be easier |
15:28.07 | leviathan | hmm |
15:28.08 | leviathan | yes |
15:28.13 | leviathan | its better |
15:28.32 | leviathan | I think it will be the only usable way |
15:28.48 | leviathan | because the qdsp5-rpc-alsa way sucks |
15:29.09 | leviathan | the frames get corrupted and are fucking the kernel |
15:29.27 | leviathan | so that it dies and reboots |
15:29.27 | leviathan | while I tried to trace the bug |
15:29.37 | leviathan | qdsp5 totaly stoped to work |
15:29.39 | phh | not sure if it's better, because pulseaudio will take some resources |
15:29.44 | leviathan | I'm starting to hate it really -.- |
15:29.46 | phh | but definitely the easier one |
15:29.53 | leviathan | yes |
15:30.18 | leviathan | how can we combine shr and pulseaudio? |
15:32.35 | phh | I thaught they use it no ? |
15:32.54 | leviathan | really? I thought they stopped because of performance reasons |
15:32.55 | leviathan | mom |
15:34.07 | phh | ah maybe |
15:36.23 | leviathan | where is GNUtoo? |
15:38.27 | GNUtoo | leviathan, hi |
15:39.48 | leviathan | GNUtoo: hi |
15:40.12 | leviathan | you had did some tries to make a pulseaudio driver? |
15:40.25 | leviathan | because I'm starting to hate it (alsa) |
15:40.25 | GNUtoo | no |
15:40.30 | GNUtoo | ok |
15:40.31 | leviathan | hmm |
15:40.47 | leviathan | it sucks more, then I first thought |
15:41.03 | leviathan | the problem lies deep in the implementation of qdsp5 driver |
15:41.05 | leviathan | ... |
15:41.11 | GNUtoo | so where is the problem exactly? qdsp5? |
15:41.14 | leviathan | yes |
15:41.15 | GNUtoo | what's the one in .32? |
15:41.22 | leviathan | yes |
15:41.28 | GNUtoo | I meant: |
15:41.39 | GNUtoo | where does the .32 one comes from |
15:41.47 | leviathan | from 2.6.29 :) |
15:41.51 | leviathan | they ported it |
15:42.04 | GNUtoo | ah ok |
15:42.06 | leviathan | and its the same phenomenon |
15:42.09 | GNUtoo | so not newer 2.6.27? |
15:42.19 | leviathan | from samsung? |
15:42.36 | GNUtoo | samsung or snapdragoon |
15:42.40 | leviathan | uhhm |
15:42.43 | GNUtoo | whatever between the 2 |
15:42.57 | leviathan | maybe I should try the one from snapdragon |
15:42.58 | leviathan | ... |
15:43.11 | leviathan | did they implement another qdsp5 driver?? |
15:43.19 | GNUtoo | I bet it's nearly the same than samsung but I did not look into the details |
15:43.36 | leviathan | i guess its always the same problem |
15:43.44 | GNUtoo | but something is shure... |
15:43.51 | leviathan | what? |
15:43.54 | GNUtoo | we are not progressing very fast with alsa in the kernel |
15:43.59 | leviathan | yes |
15:44.11 | leviathan | thats the reason why I'm asking for pulseaudio |
15:44.13 | leviathan | ... |
15:44.14 | GNUtoo | so maybe even if it's doable you could try something between both: |
15:44.18 | GNUtoo | s/both/ |
15:44.30 | GNUtoo | *alsa plugin |
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15:44.34 | GNUtoo | *pulseaudio plugin |
15:44.54 | GNUtoo | *make an aplay daemon....lol...very dirty |
15:46.33 | leviathan | one thing is sure |
15:46.41 | leviathan | this driver is driving me crazy |
15:46.47 | leviathan | driver = drivin crazy |
15:46.50 | leviathan | lol ^^ |
15:47.07 | leviathan | anyway |
15:47.51 | leviathan | perhaps we should really think about a new implementation without rpc |
15:48.04 | leviathan | means direct access of the alsa driver |
15:48.13 | GNUtoo | if we're not good enough at kernel let's do something userspace |
15:48.26 | leviathan | using the qdsp5 drivers functions and make a direct alsa driver |
15:48.40 | GNUtoo | it would be great but do we have: |
15:48.46 | GNUtoo | *the manpower to do that |
15:48.56 | GNUtoo | (time/people etc...) |
15:49.05 | GNUtoo | *the competences |
15:49.07 | GNUtoo | *the doc |
15:49.10 | leviathan | uhhm |
15:49.12 | leviathan | right |
15:49.23 | GNUtoo | pulseaudio would work in no time |
15:49.31 | GNUtoo | after feel free to try again with the kernel |
15:49.37 | leviathan | ohh man, why cant they do something really usefull... these people writing this stuff |
15:49.46 | leviathan | if they have a linux platform |
15:49.47 | GNUtoo | btw remember....the arch is armv6-novfp |
15:49.53 | leviathan | why not just using standarts? |
15:50.01 | GNUtoo | standarts? |
15:50.12 | leviathan | yes, why arent they using standarts? |
15:50.17 | leviathan | like alsa for sound |
15:50.19 | leviathan | xorg for gui |
15:50.39 | leviathan | what did they use for gui? A11 and hw3d |
15:50.41 | leviathan | ??? |
15:50.48 | leviathan | and for sound |
15:50.50 | leviathan | android-sound |
15:51.01 | leviathan | and for wifi, they hacked their own wifi-stack? |
15:51.05 | GNUtoo | leviathan, maybe because they want to prevent GNU/Linux |
15:51.15 | leviathan | aha |
15:51.26 | leviathan | so why they used linux at all? |
15:51.33 | GNUtoo | when you think of it it makes sense for several reasons |
15:51.38 | leviathan | why they cant use bsd from the beginning |
15:51.39 | GNUtoo | because they couldn't avoid it |
15:51.43 | leviathan | lile apple? -.- |
15:51.52 | leviathan | *like |
15:51.58 | GNUtoo | mmm they want to have a lot of hardware support |
15:52.06 | leviathan | aha, ok |
15:52.11 | leviathan | one-way-cooperation |
15:52.13 | leviathan | i see |
15:52.22 | GNUtoo | and the linux kenrel is much better |
15:52.37 | GNUtoo | I bet they wanted another community |
15:52.50 | GNUtoo | not the free software one |
15:53.25 | GNUtoo | anyway I'll go in 30min max(sport) |
15:55.27 | leviathan | ok |
16:00.10 | GNUtoo | leviathan, it seem that nowadays I have less time than you...do you want to do the pulseaudio plugin? |
16:00.24 | leviathan | uhhm |
16:00.26 | leviathan | yes |
16:00.38 | GNUtoo | ok nice thanks |
16:01.03 | GNUtoo | basically when I hacked on alsa I used more than the time that I had for hacking on it |
16:01.27 | GNUtoo | so now the things I didn't do still need to be done |
16:01.52 | leviathan | like? |
16:01.59 | leviathan | sport? |
16:02.19 | leviathan | :) |
16:02.32 | leviathan | or study? |
16:02.49 | GNUtoo | study and other things |
16:03.01 | GNUtoo | sports is only one day a week |
16:03.29 | leviathan | ok |
16:06.52 | leviathan | the android guys didnt fix the usbgadget issue yet |
16:06.55 | leviathan | in 2.6.32 |
16:06.58 | leviathan | i did |
16:07.14 | leviathan | -.- |
16:07.32 | leviathan | didnt even take 10min |
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18:00.16 | stiltzkin | hey guys. I have a n00b question. Thinking about finally flashing android to nand on my vogue. Reading dzo's post here: http://bit.ly/7BFZZ7, he mentions that I need a "HardSPL" beforehand. I think I get the gist of the difference between a hardSPL and softSPL, but my question is do I have what I need if I've never flashed a custom WinCE ROM or anything? I've only ever used the stock WinMo ROM or Android via Haret. |
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18:20.11 | parmaster | you'll want to upgrade your radio vers |
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18:25.19 | stiltzkin | parmaster: ...how might I go about doing that? |
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18:31.54 | makkonen | stiltzkin: this seems pretty comprehensive. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592964 |
18:33.02 | makkonen | I assume you only need to follow that through step 3, and step 3 is merged with the instructions in the android on nand thread. I know someone laid it out pretty simply somewhere. |
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18:33.50 | makkonen | as long as you've got a relatively modern radio (GPS enabled), I wouldn't worry about all the radio stuff. |
18:36.11 | stiltzkin | makkonen: I'm not even sure what the gps capabilities of my phone are. I read somewhere that the vanilla GPS chip can only be accessed for E911 data, and that all other applications use aGPS (which I can't access; I have no data plan on this phone) |
18:36.32 | stiltzkin | makkonen: thanks for the link though |
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18:58.49 | tmzt | you don't need data for aGSP |
18:58.55 | tmzt | just to update it |
18:59.27 | tmzt | use the dtpt in activesync to do that |
18:59.42 | tmzt | the gps should work on some of the phones unless it's disabled |
19:00.29 | tmzt | still: join #xda-devs |
19:00.46 | tmzt | I need to read the instructions though if dzo is supporting this now |
19:01.16 | tmzt | awesome, it's a total breakthrough in the history of htc linux projects except for the very very early ipaq stuff |
19:02.33 | tmzt | pulse for adsp? |
19:02.39 | tmzt | or to workaround alsa? |
19:03.58 | tmzt | qsd uses qdsp6 |
19:04.35 | phh | pulse using /dev/msm_pcm |
19:04.57 | tmzt | hmm |
19:04.59 | tmzt | no dma? |
19:05.33 | tmzt | stiltzkin: join #xda-devs ask about vogue hspl |
19:05.46 | tmzt | please let me read those instructions before flashing |
19:05.53 | tmzt | I assume they are in the vogue forum? |
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19:48.16 | stiltzkin | tmzt: thanks, I probably will. the guide that makkonen posted is just what I was lookin for though. Gonna have to make some coffee and do it right over the weekend :) |
19:49.44 | stiltzkin | tmzt: it also has the stock verizon rom attached, which makes me feel a lot better about doing this |
19:50.43 | stiltzkin | tmzt: reminds me of the first time I installed Linux and wiped out Windows. Somewhat scary, but oddly freeing ;) |
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20:34.37 | ToAsTcfh | tmzt: u there? |
20:34.55 | ToAsTcfh | or phh |
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21:14.39 | klinux | hi |
21:16.10 | klinux | could someone help me I'm trying to compile a kernel, I followed instructions in the wiki page/diam forum but it stops at this level: |
21:18.25 | klinux | arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: libgcc.a no such file |
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21:34.22 | MrPippy | thats a weird error to get |
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21:47.14 | JDShadowline | anyone here good at building kernels? |
21:47.58 | MrPippy | yeah i do it a lot |
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21:48.21 | JDShadowline | I use make zImage ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- but there is no documentation on what comes after. Any tips or hints for it? |
21:48.29 | makkonen | I do too. I would say that makes me not good at it. |
21:48.59 | makkonen | after that you copy the zImage to your device. it's in arch/arm/boot/ |
21:49.08 | makkonen | then you boot. |
21:49.11 | makkonen | then it crashes. |
21:49.11 | JDShadowline | no it asks me a load of questions. |
21:49.16 | makkonen | then you cry. |
21:49.36 | makkonen | oh. ok. then before you make zImage, you 'make ARCH=arm htc_msm_android_defconfig' |
21:49.41 | JDShadowline | yea i cant make it to the copy, crash and cry stage, only the hopeful i think this will works stage |
21:49.54 | JDShadowline | :P |
21:49.59 | makkonen | assuming you're using the gitorious repo. |
21:50.25 | makkonen | and building for a raph/diam/black/(topa?/rhod?) |
21:50.31 | JDShadowline | the repo I used was http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=summary |
21:50.43 | JDShadowline | and under the 2.5.27 tree |
21:50.56 | JDShadowline | *2.6.27 sorry |
21:51.16 | makkonen | ok. well, check the arch/arm/configs directory. I think there's a few different defconfigs in there. not really sure which one you want to use for whatever you're doing. |
21:51.17 | JDShadowline | which repo do you think is better? (I am building for the topaz) |
21:51.42 | JDShadowline | I used HTCTopaz_Defconfig |
21:52.00 | makkonen | I think gitorious... but I'm not sure where the work on topaz and rhodium is actually going. |
21:53.44 | makkonen | ok. well, that defconfig's in both of them. I don't know why it would start throwing a bunch of config questions at you... I was just assuming they were config questions. |
21:55.27 | JDShadowline | i will check the gitorious version |
21:55.52 | makkonen | what are the questions it asks you? |
21:56.02 | MrPippy | if the topaz_defconfig is out of date it'll ask you about the configs that have changed |
21:56.14 | JDShadowline | one min, i will try to do it again to be more specific |
21:56.23 | makkonen | ah |
21:56.23 | makkonen | that makes sense |
21:57.17 | makkonen | I don't know if topaz support was rolled into the htc_msm_android_defconfig along with everything else. |
21:58.02 | JDShadowline | I know cr2 was working in the linuxtogo git so I am unsure what is in the gitorus git for it yet... |
21:58.41 | makkonen | ah. yeah. I'm not sure if cr2's stuff ever got to either repo, actually. |
21:59.17 | makkonen | where did that pic of the android start screen come from? how'd you manage that without building a new kernel? |
22:00.19 | makkonen | MrPippy: Are you still using AMSS version 6150, or did you give up on that? |
22:00.50 | MrPippy | lately i've been using 5200, i don't think it makes any difference |
22:01.05 | makkonen | nods |
22:01.41 | makkonen | 6120 and 6125 both gave me crashes... 6150 got me about where I always get -- android screen came up, and then it crashed sometime shortly thereafter. |
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22:03.10 | MrPippy | yeah our amss is 6150 |
22:03.28 | MrPippy | but i dont think the kernel does anything different for 5200 vs 6150 |
22:03.39 | MrPippy | right now i really want to get sound-out working again |
22:04.23 | JDShadowline | first it complains about "make: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: command not found" |
22:04.25 | makkonen | there's a few changes in smd.c that are specific to 6120 and 6125... I'm wondering if they also apply to 6150. got to go in and manually apply some of the changes and see what happens. |
22:04.31 | JDShadowline | then it says "restart config" |
22:04.38 | JDShadowline | then asks for the system type |
22:04.43 | makkonen | sounds like your PATH is wrong |
22:04.58 | JDShadowline | I did set it... don't know why it would be wrong... |
22:05.52 | makkonen | hmm. I don't know. I tried to help someone else troubleshoot that last night, and totally failed. I'm not a savvy-enough linux user to think of all the weird things that can go wrong. |
22:06.07 | WigglerAway | Shadowline, I should point out the recent patches people have been doing to get android started on topaz aren't commited to any repo atm |
22:06.15 | JDShadowline | I used (and this is the correct path) "export PATH=~/android-kernel/arm-2008q3/bin:$PATH |
22:06.58 | WigglerAway | did you install the cross-compiling toolchain to that location? |
22:08.00 | MrPippy | yeah if you can't run arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc from a command line after setting that PATH then the PATH must be wrong |
22:08.00 | JDShadowline | I am trying to get the kernel from the repo, then patch, and compile, but I am just trying to compile it first :P |
22:08.00 | JDShadowline | yes i did install it to that location |
22:08.11 | WigglerAway | ok :P type echo $PATH and check your path is as you expect |
22:08.19 | JDShadowline | ok |
22:08.45 | JDShadowline | says it is there. |
22:11.06 | WigglerAway | wierd, does 'ls ~/android-kernel/arm-2008q3/bin' show you the compilation executables? |
22:11.12 | JDShadowline | let me swtich to an irc that is on my linux box so i can copy and paste things :P |
22:11.44 | JDShadowline | shows files there |
22:12.21 | makkonen | like arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc? and is it executable? |
22:13.39 | JDShadowline | stupid question but i forgot how to check that (but that file is there) |
22:13.39 | makkonen | ls -l |
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22:14.33 | makkonen | and it should show, in the 9 - or rwx portions on the left side 3 x-es |
22:15.03 | Shadowline | -rwxr-xr-x 1 shadowline shadowline 480776 2008-11-18 07:06 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-addr2line |
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22:15.13 | Shadowline | seems ok i assume. |
22:15.16 | Shadowline | ? |
22:15.17 | makkonen | ok. yeah |
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22:17.51 | Shadowline | anyway also on the first thing, it asks me things like |
22:17.52 | Shadowline | * MSM Board Type |
22:17.52 | Shadowline | * |
22:17.52 | Shadowline | Halibut Board (QCT SURF7201A) (MACH_HALIBUT) [Y/n/?] (NEW) |
22:18.15 | Shadowline | I had assumed questions like this are normal in the building process? |
22:18.35 | Shadowline | some things it seems to answer itself though. |
22:19.59 | WigglerAway | only if you want to create a new config file. You'll probably just want to use a pre-existing one |
22:21.18 | Shadowline | I don't have a pre-existing one... |
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22:21.33 | makkonen | you have htctopaz_defconfig |
22:21.52 | Shadowline | doesn't seem to want to use it as it seems |
22:21.59 | makkonen | or htc_msm_android_defconfig |
22:22.14 | sentinel79 | hey shadowline |
22:22.17 | phh | don't use htc_msm_android_defconfig for topaz |
22:22.25 | phh | both amss aren't merged yet |
22:22.34 | Shadowline | im using htctopaz_defaultconfig |
22:22.37 | phh | I'll wait for something to work before merging |
22:22.44 | Shadowline | *defconfig |
22:22.52 | Shadowline | hello sentinel79 |
22:23.47 | WigglerAway | phh, is the repo on gitorious yours? |
22:23.59 | phh | htc-msm-2.6.27 yes |
22:24.39 | WigglerAway | would I be able to get commit privs for some topaz changes |
22:25.02 | phh | tmzt: i totally failed my tests for half of my todolist today, so tomorrow i'll retry 2.6.32 |
22:25.22 | phh | WigglerAway: first show me some of your patches |
22:25.30 | Shadowline | well let me ask this is "make htctopaz_defconfig ARCH=arm; make menuconfig" a proper command? |
22:25.43 | phh | on linuxtogo some devs were accepted too easily imho |
22:25.58 | phh | Shadowline: you have to put the ARCH=arm for both command |
22:26.21 | phh | you can do "export ARCH=arm ;make htctopaz_defconfig;make menuconfig" for example |
22:26.51 | Shadowline | hmm |
22:27.04 | WigglerAway | phh: fair enough, tbh that's rather why I would commit to the gitorious repo |
22:28.15 | Shadowline | hmm that command helped it seems. the menu that shows actually makes more sense (well now it is more device specific.) |
22:28.38 | Shadowline | seems to have all the options it was previously annnoying me with aswell |
22:29.02 | phh | yes, if ARCH is not specified, it uses your computers arch |
22:29.06 | phh | x86 most likely |
22:29.52 | Shadowline | though it still says command not found when i try to compile, then dies later on |
22:30.03 | Shadowline | /bin/sh: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: not found |
22:30.03 | Shadowline | make[1]: *** [kernel/bounds.s] Error 127 |
22:30.03 | Shadowline | make: *** [prepare0] Error 2 |
22:30.06 | WigglerAway | phh: I've got a load of changes that I'll have to distill down into individual patches, I'll send you an email when I'm done |
22:30.23 | phh | I can distill it by myself if you want |
22:30.28 | phh | Shadowline: you also have to set the correct PATH |
22:30.44 | Shadowline | i have, at least it shows me the path is correct. |
22:31.03 | Shadowline | it points to the "missing" files and they are executable. |
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22:31.47 | Shadowline | ~/android-kernel/kernel$ make zImage ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- |
22:31.47 | Shadowline | make: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found |
22:31.47 | Shadowline | scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig |
22:31.48 | Shadowline | make: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found |
22:33.05 | Shadowline | let me dig deeper... |
22:33.49 | Shadowline | ahh got it... |
22:33.54 | Shadowline | building |
22:36.28 | Shadowline | ah with that out of the way things should go easier. Thanks :D |
22:36.40 | Shadowline | so WigglerAway any luck on your end? |
22:45.27 | WigglerAway | luck? |
22:46.23 | JDShadowline | you were doing some topaz stuff. :P |
22:47.59 | phh | WigglerAway: can I see your current patch btw ? |
22:48.56 | WigglerAway | phh, I sent an email |
22:49.00 | phh | ok |
22:50.26 | WigglerAway | JDShadowline: I fixed the battery reporting and implemented the keys |
22:50.47 | Shadowline | nice job :P |
22:52.05 | sentinel79 | hard keys are working? |
22:52.29 | WigglerAway | yep |
22:52.46 | Shadowline | oh WigglerAway did you get my PM on build hosting and such? |
22:53.51 | WigglerAway | no, I hadn't seen it |
22:54.32 | Shadowline | I gave you and one other FTP access to upload any files android related on my server. |
22:54.59 | Shadowline | That way if you need it, you have it already. |
22:56.13 | WigglerAway | ok, cheers |
22:56.37 | JDShadowline | :D good luck, I am out for a few hours. |
22:56.41 | JDShadowline | l8r |
22:56.44 | WigglerAway | android is still crashing consistently after a minute so I wasn't planning on zipping up a rom but I guess it's still fun to see |
22:57.12 | WigglerAway | me too, I want to watch the football highlight |
22:57.31 | phh | WigglerAway: for mmc, please use board-htcraphael-mmc.c, instead of using board-htctopaz-mmc.c |
22:58.01 | phh | with some startup if() maybe for gpios |
22:59.22 | phh | + {KEY_END, 83, 0, "Power button", EV_KEY, 1, 0}, |
22:59.27 | phh | are you sure it's what you want ? |
22:59.43 | phh | I don't think it's the best idea for android |
22:59.52 | phh | + {BTN_STYLUS, 37, 0, "Stylus removal", EV_KEY, 1, 0}, |
23:00.06 | phh | isn't that gpio set to 1 when stylus is in and to 0 when it's out ? |
23:00.17 | phh | if so, using a BTN is a bad idea I think |
23:01.38 | phh | the normal way is a SW_XXXX I think |
23:01.45 | phh | (and you have to change the EV_KEY param) |
23:03.08 | WigglerAway | the key_end appears to be what the standard builds of android use for the power button but no problem changing it as it differs from the rest of the htc code |
23:04.18 | phh | well it's not the behaviour used on raph/diam/blac at least |
23:04.49 | WigglerAway | I'll take your advice on the stylus removal |
23:06.50 | WigglerAway | that's what I mean, feel free to change it to PWRK however I already have a home key mapped in the board-htc-topaz-keypad.c |
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23:07.22 | phh | ok |
23:07.52 | phh | btw, you didn't gave it :p |
23:07.57 | phh | (i mean the board-htctopaz-keypad.c) |
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23:10.45 | WigglerAway | ahh, ok, I'll get it you in a bit |
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23:11.39 | aavan | hi |
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23:39.40 | MrPippy | makkonen: i finally got audio working with a recent kernel, setting amss to 6150 is the key |
23:40.07 | MrPippy | s/audio/audio-out |
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23:58.41 | phoenixzorn | y'all know if you buy a Droid or Eris this weekend from Verizon, you get a Free Eris as well? |