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| 14:57.08 | Untouchab1e | Hi all |
| 14:57.19 | makkonen | hi |
| 14:57.27 | Untouchab1e | makkonen: quick question |
| 14:57.37 | makkonen | hit me |
| 14:57.52 | Untouchab1e | trying to make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE but I get a arm-none-linux-gnueabi -gcc command not found error |
| 14:58.49 | makkonen | 1) you have the arm toolchain bin directory in your path? |
| 14:59.11 | makkonen | 2) arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc- <--- the dash is important. |
| 14:59.32 | makkonen | er, not -gcc-, just gnueabi- |
| 14:59.34 | Untouchab1e | I have the arm-2008q3 in my linux-msn dir, yeah.. and I tried copying the bin folder from the arm-2008q3 folder to the linux-msn folder too |
| 14:59.44 | Untouchab1e | should be: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- zImage |
| 14:59.45 | Untouchab1e | right? |
| 14:59.48 | makkonen | yeah |
| 15:00.07 | Untouchab1e | still get: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- zImage |
| 15:00.09 | Untouchab1e | oobs |
| 15:00.16 | Untouchab1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.16 | makkonen | the arm-2008q3 folder shouldn't be in your linux-msm directory (that might confuse git) |
| 15:00.21 | Untouchab1e | ah ok |
| 15:00.27 | Untouchab1e | but the bin directory should, right? |
| 15:00.31 | makkonen | no |
| 15:01.16 | Untouchab1e | ok.. |
| 15:01.19 | Untouchab1e | >.< |
| 15:01.22 | makkonen | move them somewhere else, and before you compile, do 'export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/your/arm-2008q3/bin' |
| 15:02.27 | Untouchab1e | nice.. that solved it |
| 15:02.58 | Untouchab1e | ok.. so now that I know how to compile the kernel image, how do I get started? |
| 15:04.10 | makkonen | the PATH is where your shell looks for commands. you can also add that command to your .bashrc so it'll be there every time you start a shell. |
| 15:04.24 | Untouchab1e | will do |
| 15:05.15 | Untouchab1e | but yeah.. where do go now? |
| 15:05.37 | makkonen | get started with what? programming? Learn C, I guess. :-) |
| 15:05.42 | Untouchab1e | I know C :P |
| 15:06.05 | makkonen | well then you're one up on me. I have... a passing familiarity with C. |
| 15:06.10 | Untouchab1e | but say I want to take a look at power management, or maybe GPS.. where do I look? |
| 15:06.36 | makkonen | almost everything you need to look at is in arch/arm/mach-msm |
| 15:06.49 | Untouchab1e | okie |
| 15:06.58 | makkonen | GPS is probably somewhere in smd.c |
| 15:07.08 | makkonen | (not sure) |
| 15:07.17 | Untouchab1e | ok.. I will start looking |
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| 15:07.25 | Untouchab1e | btw.. where did my zImage go? :S |
| 15:07.26 | MatBeez | should be documented in the source |
| 15:07.57 | makkonen | power management is probably... distributed through everything? |
| 15:08.13 | makkonen | the zImage ends up at arch/arm/boot/zImage |
| 15:08.21 | Untouchab1e | just found it.. thanks |
| 15:08.59 | makkonen | you have a RAPH100? |
| 15:10.07 | Untouchab1e | indeed |
| 15:11.34 | Untouchab1e | ok... cool |
| 15:12.32 | Untouchab1e | ah, this seems wickedly fun! |
| 15:14.03 | makkonen | that's the spirit! |
| 15:14.07 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 15:14.08 | Untouchab1e | yeah |
| 15:14.10 | makkonen | to me it just seems wicked. |
| 15:14.14 | Untouchab1e | :P |
| 15:14.20 | Untouchab1e | I cant decide where to start though :/ |
| 15:14.27 | Untouchab1e | I dont know anything about the GPS >.<.. |
| 15:14.42 | Untouchab1e | and power management is probably a lot of small drivers scattered everywhere |
| 15:14.47 | makkonen | yeah |
| 15:15.44 | Untouchab1e | what about things such as the raph's keyboard layout? How is that sorted out? |
| 15:15.47 | makkonen | I don't know how different it is between MSM7200 and MSM7500 series, but the guys working on the vogue just recently got GPS working. You might want to take a look at their kernel over at git.linuxtogo.com |
| 15:16.05 | Untouchab1e | didnt know the vogue even had GPS :S |
| 15:16.15 | makkonen | the vogue is wonderful. |
| 15:16.25 | Untouchab1e | hah |
| 15:16.46 | makkonen | my girlfriend's got one (at my recommendation)... I spent all day yesterday tweaking android on it. it just works. and the form factor is nice. |
| 15:16.49 | Untouchab1e | but yeah... any idea on the keyboard? |
| 15:17.39 | makkonen | not sure about layout. |
| 15:18.17 | makkonen | I know drivers/i2c/chips/microp-ksc reads the key input. |
| 15:18.58 | makkonen | you can maybe trace back from there to figure out how it's processed? I need to figure out keyboard layouts, too. the RAPH800 is... not right. |
| 15:19.34 | makkonen | getting fn- and ctrl-keys working better would be really nice, too. |
| 15:20.24 | Untouchab1e | when I had the G1, I fiddled around a bit with the keyboard layout, so I know how to edit it in Android I guess.. |
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| 16:45.44 | leviathan | GNUtoo: hi |
| 16:45.48 | leviathan | GNUtoo: online? |
| 16:55.31 | leviathan | GNUtoo: I fixed the Oops on bootup |
| 16:55.38 | leviathan | in android-experimental |
| 16:55.43 | leviathan | now it boots just fine |
| 16:55.49 | leviathan | with console ;) |
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| 17:08.34 | leviathan | root@htcdream:~# uname -a |
| 17:08.35 | leviathan | Linux htcdream 2.6.32-openmoko-msm #25 PREEMPT Mon Dec 14 18:06:11 CET 2009 armv6l unknown |
| 17:08.46 | leviathan | GNUtoo: hi? |
| 17:08.56 | leviathan | usbgadget also works |
| 17:09.04 | leviathan | now I can merge it into vanilla, if you like |
| 17:09.05 | leviathan | ^^ |
| 17:14.23 | GNUtoo | wow |
| 17:14.24 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 17:14.25 | GNUtoo | hi |
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| 17:17.32 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 17:17.35 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
| 17:23.11 | leviathan | its very nice |
| 17:23.19 | leviathan | got playwav2 working now |
| 17:23.22 | leviathan | with 2.6.32 |
| 17:23.23 | leviathan | ^^ |
| 17:24.25 | leviathan | should I integrate it into the vanilla kernel? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary |
| 17:24.34 | tmzt | hey, awesome |
| 17:25.00 | tmzt | I need to get that ported to rhod, do you have a way to push it to the upstream (my) gito? |
| 17:25.13 | tmzt | I just need your username |
| 17:25.31 | leviathan | leviathan |
| 17:25.42 | tmzt | what was the oops? |
| 17:25.49 | leviathan | wrong adress |
| 17:25.59 | tmzt | of? |
| 17:25.59 | leviathan | I looked up, what it was in 2.6.27 |
| 17:26.10 | leviathan | in order to get your htc_fb working |
| 17:26.15 | leviathan | and a nice effect was |
| 17:26.20 | leviathan | that fb worked too ;) |
| 17:26.26 | leviathan | and stopped to oops |
| 17:26.41 | tmzt | a yeah |
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| 17:26.53 | tmzt | the phys or virt address? |
| 17:27.24 | leviathan | the physical ones |
| 17:27.30 | leviathan | MSM_MDP_BASE |
| 17:27.40 | leviathan | also MSM_MDP_PHYS |
| 17:27.47 | leviathan | and MSM_MDP_SIZE |
| 17:28.07 | leviathan | but now it works |
| 17:28.17 | leviathan | thats nice after such long tinkering |
| 17:28.18 | leviathan | ^^ |
| 17:32.18 | GNUtoo | leviathan, do you want me to create a new git in replicant? |
| 17:32.23 | GNUtoo | such as 2.6.32 |
| 17:36.44 | evilxhwnd | can AOSP 2.0.1 function under kernel 2.6.27? |
| 17:36.51 | leviathan | uhhm |
| 17:36.56 | leviathan | GNUtoo: yes would be nice |
| 17:37.06 | leviathan | to have it in a git repo |
| 17:37.09 | GNUtoo | ok I'll do it this night |
| 17:37.14 | leviathan | ok |
| 17:37.32 | leviathan | shit, patch 2 ive sent is broken |
| 17:37.42 | leviathan | because i forgot to deactivate line break |
| 17:37.43 | leviathan | -.- |
| 17:37.45 | leviathan | mom |
| 17:37.49 | leviathan | I'll resend |
| 17:38.04 | leviathan | this time with line breaking disabled as default |
| 17:41.02 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 17:51.44 | leviathan | ok |
| 17:52.00 | leviathan | GNUtoo: the three newest files in your mailbox are the needed ones |
| 17:52.02 | leviathan | ;) |
| 17:52.20 | leviathan | import them and it will _boot_ uhhhuuu |
| 17:52.25 | leviathan | ^^ |
| 17:52.38 | leviathan | I know |
| 17:52.43 | leviathan | the patches are ugly |
| 17:52.47 | leviathan | but they do theire jobs |
| 17:52.55 | leviathan | perhaps you can clean them up or so |
| 17:52.58 | leviathan | git am |
| 17:53.03 | leviathan | and then cleanup |
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| 17:58.13 | GNUtoo | leviathan, as things wouldn't be fast forward here is the new repo: http://gitorious.org/replicant/vanilla-tracking-gnulinux |
| 17:58.28 | GNUtoo | leviathan, btw we have a mailing list at replicant |
| 17:58.35 | GNUtoo | it's not used |
| 17:58.44 | GNUtoo | maybe we could use it |
| 17:59.19 | GNUtoo | leviathan, btw you're also admin on that particular git repo |
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| 18:27.56 | leviathan | GNUtoo: re |
| 18:27.59 | leviathan | I was eating |
| 18:28.02 | leviathan | thx ^^ |
| 18:33.02 | GNUtoo | np |
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| 18:44.24 | leviathan | GNUtoo: did you get the patches? |
| 18:44.53 | GNUtoo | leviathan, which ones? |
| 18:45.00 | GNUtoo | I've got some very recent patches |
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| 18:48.25 | GNUtoo | [PATCH 2/3] fixed oops on bootup |
| 18:50.18 | leviathan | yes |
| 18:50.20 | leviathan | the last 3 |
| 18:50.29 | leviathan | just git am them to your experimental tree |
| 18:50.36 | leviathan | from android.git.kernel.org |
| 18:50.42 | leviathan | then you will be able to boot |
| 18:50.55 | leviathan | the merging into vanilla follows |
| 18:51.00 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 18:51.04 | leviathan | I'd like to have a clean one |
| 18:51.06 | GNUtoo | I didn't got that yet...I'll wait |
| 18:51.07 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 18:51.07 | leviathan | free from android stuff |
| 18:51.23 | GNUtoo | leviathan, I'm fine with ifdef too |
| 18:51.34 | leviathan | [PATCH 1/3] changed something |
| 18:51.42 | leviathan | [PATCH 2/3] fixed oops on bootup |
| 18:51.48 | leviathan | [PATCH 3/3] fixed usb gadget driver |
| 18:51.54 | leviathan | these are the three |
| 18:52.06 | leviathan | with these you are able to boot androids experimental on htcdream |
| 18:52.17 | leviathan | next step is to port this things to vanilla |
| 18:52.39 | leviathan | means: getting rid of unneeded android stuff |
| 18:52.48 | leviathan | we just want a clean GNU-Kernel |
| 18:52.52 | leviathan | with basic functions |
| 18:53.01 | leviathan | where we can develop alsa |
| 18:53.18 | leviathan | if they dont do usable stuff, we dont do it for them either -.- |
| 18:53.57 | leviathan | they do not use alsa? well, we are not using android interfaces, so why implementing it? |
| 18:53.59 | GNUtoo | wow |
| 18:54.14 | leviathan | you see? I dont like this apache things |
| 18:54.22 | leviathan | if they dont wanna play the GNU-game |
| 18:54.23 | GNUtoo | for other people |
| 18:54.33 | leviathan | yes |
| 18:54.35 | leviathan | okee |
| 18:54.42 | leviathan | but I just want a clean implementation |
| 18:54.49 | GNUtoo | for instance some people would like to use our code |
| 18:54.55 | GNUtoo | better clean |
| 18:55.00 | leviathan | uhhm, they can |
| 18:55.07 | leviathan | but cleaner means less to the beginning |
| 18:55.16 | leviathan | so I'm reducing it to the basics |
| 18:55.18 | GNUtoo | ok |
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| 18:55.20 | leviathan | less pain, less work |
| 18:55.25 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 18:55.37 | leviathan | afterwards, if someone has fun |
| 18:55.47 | leviathan | he can write androids needed drivers as modules |
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| 19:07.51 | YellowGTO | Hey how do you guy memorize the C commands? Or is it just studying them till you remember? |
| 19:08.08 | Captnoord | we use them so often that they are burned into our eyes |
| 19:08.25 | Captnoord | lol |
| 19:09.16 | Captnoord | nah |
| 19:09.16 | Captnoord | its just because they all use them so often |
| 19:09.30 | YellowGTO|Nix | Well its my second day learning them |
| 19:09.34 | YellowGTO|Nix | And I keep forgetting them |
| 19:09.37 | phh | or you know how it looks like and grep is a good friend. |
| 19:09.55 | Captnoord | YellowGTO|Nix: don't try to remember them |
| 19:09.58 | Captnoord | try to use them |
| 19:10.04 | Captnoord | its not the function name that is important |
| 19:10.16 | YellowGTO|Nix | Just understanding what it does? |
| 19:10.48 | ali1234 | YellowGTO: i use manpages-dev extensively |
| 19:11.43 | ali1234 | and the K&R book also has an excellent reference section |
| 19:11.55 | YellowGTO|Nix | Er :-( |
| 19:12.01 | YellowGTO|Nix | I forgot something |
| 19:12.16 | YellowGTO|Nix | My new program isn't compiling |
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| 19:12.45 | YellowGTO|Nix | scanf.c is the source code |
| 19:12.52 | YellowGTO|Nix | So I typed gcc scanf.c -o add |
| 19:13.01 | YellowGTO|Nix | That should compile it correct? |
| 19:14.26 | [1]Captnoord | I suggest you search for a proper tutorial |
| 19:14.45 | [1]Captnoord | not that we don't want to help you |
| 19:14.57 | [1]Captnoord | but you will learn from studying tutorials |
| 19:15.02 | YellowGTO|Nix | Have any suggestions? |
| 19:15.05 | [1]Captnoord | than asking us everything |
| 19:15.08 | [1]Captnoord | c or c++ |
| 19:15.15 | ali1234 | K&R covers the basics |
| 19:15.18 | YellowGTO|Nix | I was reading the one from Howstuffworks.com |
| 19:15.31 | [1]Captnoord | how old are you? |
| 19:15.43 | YellowGTO|Nix | 25 |
| 19:15.47 | [1]Captnoord | k |
| 19:15.52 | YellowGTO|Nix | Why? |
| 19:15.52 | [1]Captnoord | K&R.... |
| 19:15.53 | [1]Captnoord | or |
| 19:15.57 | [1]Captnoord | www.cplusplus.com |
| 19:16.17 | [1]Captnoord | just to know who's asking |
| 19:16.25 | YellowGTO|Nix | Oh |
| 19:16.55 | YellowGTO|Nix | Oh K&R is a real book |
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| 19:18.38 | [1]Captnoord | i've helped a guy learning how to code |
| 19:18.50 | [1]Captnoord | and there is one thing that is way more important that anything else |
| 19:18.55 | YellowGTO|Nix | Well I took some VB6 is college |
| 19:18.59 | YellowGTO|Nix | But forgot alot of it |
| 19:19.00 | YellowGTO|Nix | Heh |
| 19:19.13 | [1]Captnoord | people simple can't be teached how to code... they have to learn it themselfs....teachers can guide them |
| 19:19.32 | YellowGTO|Nix | But I wanted to help with the Andorid port so I will try my hand at C |
| 19:19.32 | [1]Captnoord | but they have to fix most of there problems themselfs |
| 19:19.51 | [1]Captnoord | I suggest you study C |
| 19:19.55 | [1]Captnoord | buy a book |
| 19:20.02 | [1]Captnoord | or follow a internet tutorial |
| 19:20.14 | [1]Captnoord | your not a coder within a day |
| 19:20.32 | YellowGTO|Nix | Does not seems barns and noble have to many books for beginners |
| 19:20.44 | [1]Captnoord | www.cplusplus.com |
| 19:20.49 | [1]Captnoord | has some good tutorials |
| 19:20.55 | [1]Captnoord | the basics of cpp |
| 19:21.01 | [1]Captnoord | is almost generic to that of C |
| 19:21.12 | [1]Captnoord | I learned C as a by product of learning cpp |
| 19:21.37 | YellowGTO|Nix | I found a beginners book for Fortran :-) |
| 19:21.47 | [1]Captnoord | lol |
| 19:22.08 | [1]Captnoord | http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/introduction/ |
| 19:22.09 | [1]Captnoord | have fun |
| 19:22.13 | [1]Captnoord | remember to do everything |
| 19:22.17 | [1]Captnoord | to read everything |
| 19:22.23 | [1]Captnoord | don't think you know stuff when you've done it 1x |
| 19:22.28 | YellowGTO|Nix | Wait for C++ should I hop back over to windows? |
| 19:22.50 | YellowGTO|Nix | And use Visual Studio? |
| 19:22.57 | [1]Captnoord | nope |
| 19:23.03 | ali1234 | C++ is just confusing for a beginner, with all that stupid operator overloading |
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| 19:23.22 | ali1234 | i mean whoever came up with cout << "hello world\n"; needs shooting |
| 19:23.28 | [1]Captnoord | hehe |
| 19:23.29 | [1]Captnoord | yup |
| 19:23.33 | YellowGTO|Nix | LoL |
| 19:23.39 | phh | seems logical to me |
| 19:23.42 | [1]Captnoord | lol |
| 19:24.02 | phh | but well i did a lot of shell before coding in C++ :p |
| 19:24.08 | YellowGTO|Nix | I have VS from my MSDN account |
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| 19:26.48 | [1]Captnoord | dude |
| 19:26.56 | [1]Captnoord | learn gcc C |
| 19:26.57 | YellowGTO | ? |
| 19:26.58 | [1]Captnoord | gnu C |
| 19:27.00 | [1]Captnoord | way better |
| 19:27.08 | [1]Captnoord | visual studio with just rape your brain |
| 19:27.19 | YellowGTO | LoL Ok |
| 19:27.37 | YellowGTO | I was using GCC before anyway |
| 19:29.07 | [1]Captnoord | YellowGTO: don't go for a big project... get yourself a personal project |
| 19:29.13 | Captnoord | anything you can think of |
| 19:29.15 | Captnoord | as long as its small |
| 19:29.18 | Captnoord | write it down |
| 19:29.21 | Captnoord | what it should do |
| 19:29.23 | Captnoord | and then code it |
| 19:30.04 | Captnoord | when you finished |
| 19:30.09 | Captnoord | get a new project |
| 19:30.12 | Captnoord | a bit bigger |
| 19:30.13 | YellowGTO|Nix | I want to make a program that lets my type stuff in text boxes and outputs them into a text file |
| 19:30.16 | Captnoord | and repeat the process |
| 19:30.20 | YellowGTO|Nix | Seems easy |
| 19:30.23 | Captnoord | nope |
| 19:30.32 | Captnoord | don't go window input thingy's |
| 19:30.35 | Captnoord | smaller |
| 19:30.40 | Captnoord | stay with console only |
| 19:30.44 | Captnoord | at the beginning |
| 19:31.17 | Captnoord | coding gui stuff may seem that you have something while you actualy don't have anything except something that looks like a gui that does nothing |
| 19:31.22 | YellowGTO|Nix | Okay asks questions in console puts then answers in a txt file |
| 19:31.30 | ali1234 | ironically console text input is wone of the hardest things to get right in C :) |
| 19:31.53 | YellowGTO|Nix | Well the only programing I have ever used was VB :-/ |
| 19:31.55 | Captnoord | ali1234: yup... |
| 19:32.24 | Captnoord | vb is also something that fucks up the brain because your constantly searching for how a function is called in VB |
| 19:32.34 | Captnoord | instead of focussing on whats important |
| 19:33.55 | tmzt | what? |
| 19:34.02 | tmzt | functions and methods are the same |
| 19:34.05 | tmzt | use () |
| 19:34.07 | tmzt | always |
| 19:34.11 | tmzt | no issue |
| 19:35.23 | tmzt | cpp is a preprocessor language |
| 19:35.41 | tmzt | c++ is an extension of c for classes and objects |
| 19:37.00 | tmzt | YellowGTO|Nix: what 'commands'? |
| 19:38.02 | tmzt | leviathan: oh, that's g1 |
| 19:38.17 | tmzt | we use ce values and phys is just the value in a register |
| 19:38.35 | tmzt | you need hboot values for it to work on g1 |
| 19:38.48 | tmzt | this should be obvious, oops |
| 19:39.01 | tmzt | where did you get the values you used? |
| 19:41.29 | YellowGTO|Nix | Well I was trying to compile |
| 19:41.30 | YellowGTO|Nix | #include <stdio.h> |
| 19:41.30 | YellowGTO|Nix | int main() |
| 19:41.30 | YellowGTO|Nix | { |
| 19:41.30 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.30 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.32 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.36 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.38 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.40 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.42 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.44 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.46 | YellowGTO|Nix | } |
| 19:41.48 | YellowGTO|Nix | But that wouldn't compile |
| 19:42.33 | YellowGTO|Nix | It acted like it would compile but the program would never show up. But GCC didn't give me an errors or anything |
| 19:42.36 | tmzt | uh |
| 19:42.51 | tmzt | if no erros it compiled |
| 19:43.10 | YellowGTO|Nix | Hm the application isn't showing up in the folder though |
| 19:43.13 | tmzt | looks fine |
| 19:43.24 | tmzt | a.out? |
| 19:43.32 | tmzt | what command did you run? |
| 19:43.38 | tmzt | ./a.out |
| 19:43.44 | YellowGTO|Nix | Well the source is called scanf.c |
| 19:43.52 | tmzt | and the command? |
| 19:43.55 | YellowGTO|Nix | So I ran gcc scanf.c -o add |
| 19:44.02 | tmzt | ./add |
| 19:44.25 | YellowGTO|Nix | When I compiled #include <stdio.h> |
| 19:44.25 | YellowGTO|Nix | int main() |
| 19:44.25 | YellowGTO|Nix | { |
| 19:44.25 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.25 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.26 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.28 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.29 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.32 | YellowGTO|Nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.36 | YellowGTO|Nix | } |
| 19:44.44 | YellowGTO|Nix | That command is the only thing I ran and it worked fine |
| 19:45.03 | tmzt | worked fine? |
| 19:45.04 | YellowGTO|Nix | So I should type gcc scanf.c -o ./add |
| 19:45.07 | YellowGTO|Nix | Yeah |
| 19:45.09 | tmzt | no |
| 19:45.21 | tmzt | what do you mean? how did you run it? |
| 19:45.29 | tmzt | if you double click no termianl |
| 19:45.35 | tmzt | so run from shell |
| 19:45.40 | tmzt | ./add |
| 19:45.57 | tmzt | your cwd is not in your path |
| 19:46.06 | tmzt | unless you add . to $PATH |
| 19:46.23 | YellowGTO|Nix | I have a folder on my desktop called code |
| 19:46.35 | YellowGTO|Nix | So i'm in the folder /desktop/code |
| 19:46.39 | YellowGTO|Nix | In console |
| 19:46.50 | YellowGTO|Nix | My 2nd app is called add.c |
| 19:47.06 | YellowGTO|Nix | So I typed gcc add.c -o add |
| 19:47.17 | YellowGTO|Nix | And it popped out a program in the folder just called add |
| 19:47.34 | YellowGTO|Nix | Now I wrote scanf.c |
| 19:47.41 | YellowGTO|Nix | Same steps no programs pops out |
| 19:47.46 | tmzt | ok |
| 19:47.56 | tmzt | try ctrl-r ? |
| 19:48.02 | YellowGTO|Nix | in console? |
| 19:48.04 | tmzt | ./add |
| 19:48.05 | tmzt | no |
| 19:48.08 | tmzt | in nautilus |
| 19:48.28 | YellowGTO|Nix | nautilus is a compiler heh? Remember i'm a noob |
| 19:48.38 | tmzt | no |
| 19:48.43 | tmzt | did you get the book? |
| 19:48.50 | tmzt | it explains it all |
| 19:48.52 | YellowGTO|Nix | I'm writing the code it gedit |
| 19:48.57 | tmzt | that question makes no sense |
| 19:48.59 | tmzt | ok |
| 19:49.06 | tmzt | I use that too |
| 19:49.21 | tmzt | I will make it a real ide with plugins someday |
| 19:49.26 | tmzt | but anyway |
| 19:49.36 | tmzt | go to the shell |
| 19:49.43 | tmzt | ls -lha |
| 19:49.50 | tmzt | check for x on your programs |
| 19:50.37 | leviathan | GNUtoo: you can provide my patches to other |
| 19:50.47 | leviathan | so they can boot experimental too |
| 19:51.05 | GNUtoo | leviathan, just commit them then |
| 19:51.07 | tmzt | yes please |
| 19:51.10 | leviathan | ok |
| 19:51.12 | YellowGTO|Nix | I don't see anything called x |
| 19:51.18 | tmzt | commit to that gito repo? |
| 19:51.22 | tmzt | yello |
| 19:51.24 | YellowGTO|Nix | This is a snipit from my terminal |
| 19:51.26 | YellowGTO|Nix | dalton@ubuntu:~/Desktop/code$ gcc scanf.c -o add |
| 19:51.26 | YellowGTO|Nix | dalton@ubuntu:~/Desktop/code$ ./scanf |
| 19:51.26 | YellowGTO|Nix | bash: ./scanf: No such file or directory |
| 19:51.26 | tmzt | ls -lha |
| 19:51.34 | Battousai | ./add |
| 19:51.47 | tmzt | right, because the binary is called add |
| 19:52.22 | leviathan | GNUtoo: uhhm |
| 19:52.23 | YellowGTO|Nix | Oh |
| 19:52.32 | leviathan | but its for android-experimental |
| 19:52.36 | YellowGTO|Nix | Why is it called add and not scanf? |
| 19:52.43 | YellowGTO|Nix | I missed somthing |
| 19:52.45 | leviathan | I'm not sure if "vanilla" isnt missguiding |
| 19:52.53 | Battousai | when you call gcc with -o, whatever is after -o is what you're telling it to call the binary |
| 19:52.58 | tmzt | htc-msm-experimental ? |
| 19:53.07 | leviathan | hmm |
| 19:53.08 | tmzt | or it calls it a.out |
| 19:53.09 | YellowGTO|Nix | OHHHH |
| 19:53.10 | leviathan | yes |
| 19:53.19 | leviathan | would make more sense |
| 19:53.21 | leviathan | ^^ |
| 19:53.24 | YellowGTO|Nix | Click |
| 19:53.26 | YellowGTO|Nix | Hehe |
| 19:53.32 | YellowGTO|Nix | So |
| 19:53.45 | tmzt | no erros is good |
| 19:53.47 | YellowGTO|Nix | gcc scanf.c -o test |
| 19:53.50 | tmzt | means it worked |
| 19:53.52 | YellowGTO|Nix | Would make the file called test |
| 19:53.56 | tmzt | yes |
| 19:53.58 | tmzt | in cwd |
| 19:54.00 | tmzt | . |
| 19:54.01 | YellowGTO|Nix | I see |
| 19:54.03 | Battousai | when you run it, don't enter a letter for the input ;) |
| 19:54.06 | YellowGTO|Nix | tmzt |
| 19:54.33 | YellowGTO|Nix | I was asking the other day I lost the bookmark to the book you said to read when I installed linux |
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| 19:54.48 | YellowGTO|Nix | So I googled for a good C tutorial and howstuffworks C tutorial came up |
| 19:54.52 | YellowGTO|Nix | So thats what I was reading |
| 19:55.13 | YellowGTO|Nix | Yay |
| 19:55.16 | YellowGTO|Nix | It works |
| 19:55.36 | YellowGTO|Nix | See the prob was the last code I wrote the program was called add also |
| 19:55.43 | YellowGTO|Nix | So it was overwriting the old program |
| 19:55.49 | tmzt | Art of Unix Programming |
| 19:55.59 | tmzt | yes |
| 19:56.11 | tmzt | don't overwirte your .c and you'llbbe okay |
| 19:56.17 | tmzt | I have done that, not fun |
| 19:56.18 | Battousai | now for step 2: why you shouldn't use scanf() for interactive input |
| 19:56.29 | YellowGTO|Nix | LoL why? |
| 19:57.08 | Battousai | enter a letter there :D |
| 19:57.08 | phh | Battousai: no reason why. |
| 19:57.25 | YellowGTO|Nix | ok |
| 19:57.44 | phh | someones consider it as dangerous |
| 19:57.44 | YellowGTO|Nix | Enter the second value:-1076698104 + 134513904 = -942184200 |
| 19:57.57 | YellowGTO|Nix | LoL |
| 19:58.06 | phh | for instance the '%s' thing is to be banned |
| 19:58.16 | Battousai | right. there's no validation on the input buffer, and there's no way to flush the buffer after invalid input |
| 19:58.34 | Battousai | so a first scanf() call would fail, resulting in all subsequent calls also failing |
| 19:58.41 | YellowGTO|Nix | Yeah it def bombs te program |
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| 20:00.49 | YellowGTO|Nix | 1st Lg Expo commercials came out today if anyone cares |
| 20:02.20 | phh | what is this ? |
| 20:02.27 | YellowGTO|Nix | Lg expo? |
| 20:02.33 | phh | yes |
| 20:02.42 | YellowGTO|Nix | LG snapdragon phone |
| 20:02.47 | YellowGTO|Nix | With a Pico Projector |
| 20:02.51 | phh | uh |
| 20:02.52 | YellowGTO|Nix | And fingerprint scanner |
| 20:02.53 | phh | seems cool |
| 20:03.06 | YellowGTO|Nix | For 150 bucks |
| 20:03.11 | YellowGTO|Nix | From ATT |
| 20:03.29 | YellowGTO|Nix | Its the same as the HD2 with a smaller screen and a little less ram |
| 20:03.33 | YellowGTO|Nix | But has a keyboard |
| 20:03.40 | phh | oh, windows phone |
| 20:03.49 | YellowGTO|Nix | Yeah |
| 20:03.50 | YellowGTO|Nix | 6.5 |
| 20:04.06 | phh | when will they do great android phones ... |
| 20:04.09 | tmzt | just use glib :) |
| 20:04.20 | YellowGTO|Nix | glib? |
| 20:04.23 | tmzt | qsd phone with wm |
| 20:04.35 | tmzt | YellowGTO|Nix: thing gtk/gnome is based on |
| 20:04.41 | YellowGTO|Nix | Got ya |
| 20:04.56 | phh | tmzt: such a waste :p |
| 20:05.02 | phh | (qsd phone with wm) |
| 20:05.08 | YellowGTO|Nix | Wasn't there supposed to be a version of Ubuntu to run on phones? |
| 20:05.20 | YellowGTO|Nix | I remember reading somthing about it awhile ago |
| 20:05.54 | phh | you first need a working kernel. |
| 20:06.21 | YellowGTO|Nix | Well the TP1 can run haret and andorid a little |
| 20:06.39 | YellowGTO|Nix | That means it has a semi working kernel right? |
| 20:06.59 | Battousai | kernel functions quite well on raph |
| 20:07.13 | Battousai | just missing a few devices these days |
| 20:07.18 | Battousai | and proper power management |
| 20:07.45 | phh | what do you mean with "proper power management" ... ? |
| 20:08.00 | YellowGTO|Nix | I don't think the backlight sensor works right? |
| 20:08.17 | phh | it does |
| 20:08.21 | YellowGTO|Nix | Or light sensor |
| 20:08.22 | YellowGTO|Nix | Oh it does |
| 20:08.29 | phh | just no app uses it |
| 20:08.39 | YellowGTO|Nix | I got everything working buy Bluetooth and Wifi and cam |
| 20:08.40 | YellowGTO|Nix | I think |
| 20:08.49 | YellowGTO|Nix | Oh no I got Wifi working |
| 20:09.13 | YellowGTO|Nix | Bluetooth, cam, keyboard with proper map and somthing else |
| 20:09.16 | YellowGTO|Nix | Ohhh the G sensor |
| 20:09.31 | tmzt | YellowGTO|Nix: I use mer which should be the basis of the next Ubuntu Mobile |
| 20:09.43 | phh | hum bluetooth should just work, that's strange |
| 20:09.43 | tmzt | but those are really for MID not phone |
| 20:09.52 | phh | same thing for g sensor |
| 20:11.00 | Battousai | phh: beyond just CPU sleep, specifically charging the battery without winmo's help |
| 20:11.20 | phh | Battousai: I don't know which android build you're using, but this has been fixed months ago ... |
| 20:11.26 | phh | (ok only 3 weeks ago iirc :D) |
| 20:11.34 | Battousai | charging? |
| 20:11.34 | tmzt | same thing |
| 20:11.53 | tmzt | things are moving quite fast with dzo's push |
| 20:12.07 | Battousai | and who said anything about android ;) |
| 20:12.08 | phh | oh wait, we aren't talking about TP1 ? |
| 20:12.39 | phh | Battousai: ok then echo 2 > /dbgfs/htc_battery/charger_state |
| 20:12.47 | YellowGTO|Nix | Is the linux kernel for the phones emulated x86 code? |
| 20:12.47 | Battousai | heh |
| 20:13.05 | Battousai | phh: see, i don't consider debugfs hooks to be proper ;) |
| 20:13.19 | phh | Battousai: you never said anything about "proper" |
| 20:13.22 | Battousai | i did! |
| 20:13.27 | YellowGTO|Nix | Because I seen you can run Windows 95 on PPCs |
| 20:13.31 | Battousai | [15:07:18] <Battousai> and proper power management |
| 20:13.31 | phh | well for power management. |
| 20:13.48 | phh | YellowGTO|Nix: you can run bochs or qemu but that's it |
| 20:13.55 | Battousai | phh: i'm being greedy, i know |
| 20:15.34 | phh | (btw i want camera on android, just for virtual reality things.) |
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| 20:18.53 | leviathan | its pain in the ass to clean these kernel drivers up |
| 20:19.19 | leviathan | they partially moved some parts into staging |
| 20:19.37 | leviathan | so I just make externs and EXPORT_SYMBOLS mostly |
| 20:19.52 | leviathan | and removing unneeded android specific stuff |
| 20:20.41 | YellowGTO|Nix | So does everyone write these drivers from scratch or do you like decompile the old drivers? |
| 20:21.25 | leviathan | I'm not decompiling |
| 20:21.28 | leviathan | its GPL |
| 20:21.31 | leviathan | Im changing it |
| 20:21.36 | leviathan | and removing ugly code |
| 20:21.43 | phh | YellowGTO|Nix: most of the time we can reuse drivers from android kernel |
| 20:21.47 | phh | sometimes we have docs |
| 20:21.50 | leviathan | yes |
| 20:21.53 | phh | some drivers has been reversed |
| 20:22.09 | leviathan | for the proprietary part its really (decompiling+writing new code) |
| 20:22.11 | YellowGTO|Nix | Because i remember the video drivers for the tilt1 were fucked |
| 20:22.12 | leviathan | some mixture of it |
| 20:22.31 | YellowGTO|Nix | I don't think fixed ones ever came out |
| 20:22.53 | leviathan | uhmm, yes, sometimes they make it to hard to reverse engineer it |
| 20:23.00 | leviathan | so the people give up |
| 20:23.13 | leviathan | it would be much easier to just give the docs to developers |
| 20:23.26 | leviathan | but they do not like it mostly, if someone has theire docu |
| 20:23.47 | YellowGTO|Nix | Reverse engineering has always interested me |
| 20:23.53 | phh | leviathan: well for 3D driver I don't care, it's something so big to write that only them are able to write one |
| 20:24.41 | phh | but for everything else, it would be a great help |
| 20:28.04 | leviathan | yes |
| 20:28.40 | phh | leviathan: you have no info about GPS btw ? |
| 20:28.49 | leviathan | uhhm |
| 20:29.08 | leviathan | the informations come over standart input device |
| 20:29.14 | leviathan | like cursor and keyboard |
| 20:29.22 | leviathan | but it needs initialisation and calibration |
| 20:29.27 | leviathan | over the binary interface |
| 20:29.33 | leviathan | and this needs reverse |
| 20:29.38 | phh | GPS on input device ?!? |
| 20:29.43 | leviathan | yes |
| 20:29.46 | leviathan | compas too |
| 20:29.48 | leviathan | -.- |
| 20:30.06 | leviathan | event4 as I know |
| 20:30.14 | phh | well compass seems logical |
| 20:30.22 | phh | but GPS... welll... not really |
| 20:30.33 | phh | and i see nothing about GPS in source code |
| 20:32.09 | phh | (i'm browsing hero's kernel) |
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| 20:43.41 | leviathan | oh |
| 20:43.48 | leviathan | perhaps I'm mixing something |
| 20:44.01 | leviathan | I'm already a little tired from today |
| 20:44.21 | phh | ok |
| 20:44.22 | leviathan | And I was trying to clean up the mess here |
| 20:45.04 | leviathan | this axis stuff |
| 20:45.10 | leviathan | ... its something for tomorrow |
| 20:45.14 | leviathan | I'll sleep now |
| 20:45.18 | leviathan | tomorrow its free |
| 20:45.25 | leviathan | so Ill be up and happy to code |
| 20:45.48 | leviathan | but theres also work for supra conducting experiments the day after tomorrow |
| 20:45.55 | leviathan | but I'll take time for both ^^ |
| 20:46.05 | leviathan | good that I've nothing else to do |
| 20:46.15 | leviathan | gn8 |
| 20:46.20 | leviathan | =) |
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| 21:01.34 | Gametime | could someone please post me to a website to read rules for this IRC? what can, cant be talked about, etc? |
| 21:04.12 | YellowGTO|Nix | You can directly port C to any operating system supporting ANSI C? |
| 21:04.59 | phh | YellowGTO|Nix: "port C" has no sense |
| 21:05.20 | YellowGTO|Nix | Sorry |
| 21:05.42 | YellowGTO|Nix | Unix code will port directly to any operating system supporting ANSI C |
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| 21:40.11 | Gametime | Could someone tell me which HTC phones are linux capable/supported? |
| 21:40.51 | toer | the ones that ship with android :p |
| 21:41.30 | Gametime | :D) |
| 21:43.20 | makkonen | vogue, kaiser, polaris, raphael, diamond, blackstone are all at varying levels of capability. |
| 21:43.27 | makkonen | as far as the htc winmo phones. |
| 21:44.59 | makkonen | I might be forgetting some. |
| 21:47.25 | Gametime | The Diamond is currently higher than the HTC touch? |
| 21:47.35 | Gametime | in compatability? |
| 21:48.37 | phh | hum, which one is htc touch again |
| 21:48.53 | phh | oh elf. |
| 21:48.59 | phh | that's an old one. |
| 21:49.37 | Gametime | HTC Touch 2 just came out. i was considering getting it for wifi router usage, but if it had linux to it also, it would be an automatic buy for me. |
| 21:50.31 | phh | give codename, not commercial names /o\ |
| 21:50.40 | Gametime | sorry one second. |
| 21:50.47 | Gametime | new to this area. |
| 21:50.58 | phh | HTC Mega hum ? |
| 21:51.02 | phh | never heard of that one |
| 21:51.05 | Gametime | 'rome'? |
| 21:51.25 | phh | hum, kind of rings a bell |
| 21:51.37 | Gametime | or 'warhawk' |
| 21:51.49 | phh | brand new phone using MSM72xx |
| 21:51.51 | phh | such a waste |
| 21:52.09 | phh | never heard of any work on it |
| 21:52.18 | Gametime | hmm. |
| 21:52.28 | phh | but I guess raphael's branch might work |
| 21:52.35 | Gametime | if theres a way to get linux working on smartphones, its going to be nuts. |
| 21:52.36 | phh | "just" needs some drivers |
| 21:52.42 | Gametime | thats great to hear. |
| 21:52.51 | phh | I already have linux on my diamond |
| 21:53.12 | Gametime | hows it work? |
| 21:53.21 | Gametime | i was going to get that one, but i heard its unstable. |
| 21:53.48 | phh | as unstable as WM let's say :p |
| 21:53.54 | Gametime | ... touche. |
| 21:53.59 | Gametime | can i pm you for a moment? |
| 21:54.17 | phh | ok |
| 21:58.14 | YellowGTO|Nix | Who uses xchat? |
| 21:59.27 | phh | noone |
| 21:59.31 | phh | it isn't meant to be used. |
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| 22:00.21 | YellowGTO|Nix | LoL? |
| 22:00.22 | YellowGTO|Nix | What |
| 22:00.53 | phh | as every GTK apps. |
| 22:00.57 | phh | </troll> |
| 22:01.10 | YellowGTO|Nix | What do you use for an IRC client on linux? |
| 22:01.16 | YellowGTO|Nix | I love Xchat on windows |
| 22:02.02 | phh | quassel |
| 22:03.54 | YellowGTO|Nix | Hm |
| 22:03.57 | YellowGTO|Nix | That does look better |
| 22:04.11 | YellowGTO|Nix | I can't get the user list to display on Xchat for linux |
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| 22:07.46 | YellowGTO|Nix | quassel Is KDE :-( |
| 22:07.58 | phh | no it's Qt |
| 22:08.06 | phh | if it relies on KDE, slaps your distribution |
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| 22:08.31 | YellowGTO|Nix | Whats QT |
| 22:08.38 | YellowGTO|Nix | KDE4/Qt based, IRC client |
| 22:08.46 | phh | KDE is optionnal |
| 22:08.52 | YellowGTO|Nix | Oh |
| 22:09.05 | YellowGTO|Nix | Runs fine on Gnome? |
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| 22:16.16 | YellowGTO|Nix_ | phh |
| 22:16.20 | YellowGTO|Nix_ | This looks pretty cool |
| 22:16.53 | phh | :p |
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| 22:47.50 | makkonen | phh: you around? I think I've narrowed it down to 2 lines in smd_rpcrouter that cause a problem on cdma. (Still checking on what happens in smd.c) |
| 22:59.15 | makkonen | ok, changing those lines in smd.c still causes a kernel panic. but it's only ~4 lines total. It can be bracketed with an if_machine_is_blahblahblah and we could get the main line booting on raph800 |
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| 23:29.38 | AstainHellbring | hiya |
| 23:32.57 | makkonen | or... not. damn smd.c |
| 23:33.21 | makkonen | astainhellbring: howdy. |
| 23:35.07 | AstainHellbring | how goes it makkonen |
| 23:35.24 | makkonen | alright. I wish I knew how things worked. |
| 23:35.46 | makkonen | specifically the linux kernel, at the moment. |
| 23:35.49 | AstainHellbring | fun |
| 23:35.54 | AstainHellbring | what device you breaking? |
| 23:36.03 | makkonen | raph800. |
| 23:37.05 | AstainHellbring | nice |
| 23:37.09 | AstainHellbring | I have a few of those |
| 23:37.23 | makkonen | ...how many phones have you got? |
| 23:37.28 | AstainHellbring | a lot |
| 23:37.44 | swc|666 | is there anything being done with the rhodium (gsm) @ all? |
| 23:38.13 | AstainHellbring | Athena raph100 raph800 raph 500 titan vogue apache i730 i760 moto q treo pro |
| 23:38.28 | makkonen | wow |
| 23:38.31 | AstainHellbring | maybe a few more |
| 23:39.30 | makkonen | swc: I think what is being done with the rhodium is being done with the cdma one, but is stuff that needs to be done for both. I could be wrong. |
| 23:39.37 | makkonen | astain: don't you have a TP2? |
| 23:39.45 | AstainHellbring | oh right that one too |
| 23:39.49 | AstainHellbring | rhodiumW |
| 23:39.57 | AstainHellbring | I knew I missed one |
| 23:40.46 | AstainHellbring | makkonen I know cr2 has been working with the rhodium too |
| 23:42.08 | makkonen | ~seen cr2 |
| 23:42.10 | apt | cr2 <n=cr2@82.203.205.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 10d 12m 32s ago, saying: 'different'. |
| 23:42.46 | makkonen | cool. I want development on it to overtake the raph, so I can dump this phone and get that. |
| 23:43.04 | AstainHellbring | I love sprints insurance |
| 23:43.07 | AstainHellbring | I got my tp2 free |
| 23:43.51 | makkonen | wish I'd got in on that. |
| 23:44.10 | makkonen | ...but my TP wasn't broken. At least, not enough for me to want to try to argue the case. |
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