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00:00.31tids2khavent seen cr2 around ? whats he been upto ?
00:02.14tids2knetripper, good luck im out of here, my gf is here again. or she might lock my passwords again
00:02.17tids2ksee ya all
00:03.30NetRipperlol
00:04.32MatBeezlol
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00:10.17tids2keveryone who has a touch pro overclock ur cpu ... :P http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/post/2009/09/06/Touch-Pro-running-at-800MHZ.aspx
00:10.20tids2kbye
00:13.32MatBeezstrange
00:14.03MatBeezfirst comment was august :P
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09:49.54tmztNetRipper: tp2 has which chip?
10:03.07phh<tids2k> everyone who has a touch pro overclock ur cpu ... :P http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/post/2009/09/06/Touch-Pro-running-at-800MHZ.aspx <---- yeah msm cpu @ 518MHz doesn't eat enough battery ...
10:03.09phhoh wait, yes it does.
10:21.47makkonenhaha, yeah. I love my TP's hardware, but it does seem a bit cruel that it can feel underpowered and slow and simultaneously just drink battery.
10:22.50phhslow ?
10:22.51phhhum
10:23.03makkonenwell, for that I blame windows mobile, not the hardware.
10:23.12phhthen try linux :p
10:23.25makkonenI am trying. I am trying SO HARD. :-)
10:23.29phhbut you'll hit SD card's limitations
10:24.03phhmakkonen: frist try android since there are "out of the box" packages for it on tp
10:24.52makkonenno good yet. I'm on CDMA. a phone with no data is of no use to me. I hate talking on the phone -- I just keep it around for the internet.
10:25.10phhk
10:25.23phhtry data connexion with angstrom first
10:25.50makkonentrying to figure out now why smd_7500.c/smd.c are failing to create the correct smd1/smd7 ports now.
10:26.19makkonenin angstrom the devices are there, but when I try to cat them, I get 'no such device' errors.
10:26.56makkoneni.e. /dev/smd1 exists, points to c 254 1, but cat /dev/smd1 & gives that error still. likewise /dev/smd7, /dev/smd27
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10:28.13phhcheck source code why it might return ENODEV
10:33.06makkonensource code says either "smd_open() called before smd_init()" or smd_get_channel failed to return anything.
10:33.35makkonenand dmesg seems to say that smd7 was never allocated, and smd1 is a diagnostic channel (though it gives the same no device error)
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11:18.24NetRippertmzt, also MSM7201A
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11:40.47Captnoordgood morning / afternoon all
11:42.44itchy8mehoi
11:42.51Captnoordkut weer
11:44.06itchy8menou de zon scijnt hier nu heel even :)
11:44.26tcccpavond
11:44.42itchy8mehoi
11:44.42Captnoordmassel kont
11:45.11itchy8melol
11:45.58itchy8mezal snel over zijn hoor, was de net aan't hagelen
11:46.09Captnoordidd
11:46.29Captnoordtoen besloot ik nog ff iets te coden
11:46.38Captnoordmaar nu.... ik moet ff naar ht dorp
11:46.40Captnoordbleh
11:47.11Captnoordgeen zin in
11:47.12itchy8mezal maar niet doien hoor .. dit weer is niet betrouwbaar
11:47.20Captnoordach nemen we de plu mee
11:47.30itchy8medie is ook niet betrouwbaar ;)
11:48.07Captnoordach een plu is net als een PC hij is zo betrouwbaar als je er zelf mee omgaat......
11:48.36Captnoordbtw volgens mij kan je alles wel vergelijken met een PC ongeveer....
11:48.38Captnoord:P
11:48.40phhI hope you're not saying anything interesting
11:48.53Captnoordphh nope..... we'r talking about the weather
11:49.00Captnoordand the funny part is
11:49.02itchy8melol
11:49.05Captnoordwe actualy are talking about the weather
11:49.12phhah.
11:49.27phhdoes anyone know the AT command to get all neighboring cells ?
11:49.55itchy8menope :-/
11:49.59Captnoordsorry
11:50.02Captnoordnot in the at commands
11:50.45phhok :/
11:51.09Captnoordcan't you map them.....
11:51.16Captnoordbrute force the commands
11:51.19Captnoordlog the result
11:51.24phhbrute force ? ouch
11:51.26Captnoordand do the next
11:51.28Captnoordhehe
11:51.28Captnoordyup
11:51.30Captnoordouch
11:51.43Captnoordaa
11:51.43Captnoordab
11:51.44phhI'll maybe see if there is any wimo app which knows how to do that maybe :D
11:51.44Captnoordac
11:51.45Captnoordad
11:51.52Captnoordae
11:51.53Captnoordaf
11:51.54Captnoordag
11:51.55Captnoordbleh
11:51.59Captnoordits ugly as hell
11:52.03Captnoordand won't get you anyway
11:52.06Captnoordanywhere
11:52.17Captnoordbut at least you may get all the valid commands
11:52.32Captnoordnot that you would know what they do
11:52.39makkonengot a cdma reference that says AT+CCED=0,2 dumps the list of neighbor cells. no idea how it actually works, or if there's anything similar in gsm.
11:53.06CaptnoordCC is cell cell
11:53.18CaptnoordI guess
11:53.22Captnoordi'm just guessing around
11:53.28Captnoordand 0 is the centre
11:53.31Captnoorden 2 is the range
11:53.38Captnoordso you get all the cells in a 2 cell range
11:53.48Captnoordjust guessing around
11:53.50CaptnoordI don't know
11:55.24makkonenactually, looks like that might be a general AT command, since one of the options says 'always zero for cdma data'
11:55.37Captnoordhttp://www.technologyquestions.com/technology/pocket-pc-general/39980-how-let-commands-work-windows-mobile-5-a.html
11:56.22makkonen0=single snapshot, 1=automatic snapshot, 2=stop automatic snapshot for the first command.
11:56.26Captnoordhehe
11:56.28CaptnoordI knew I was wrong
11:56.29Captnoordhehe
11:56.31makkonen1 = main cell, 2 = neighbor1 to neighbor20, 4 = timing advance, 8 = main cell rssi indication, for the second command
11:56.45Captnoordi'm usualy wrong with guessing these things
11:58.48makkonenI'd guess just about everyone would be wrong guessing AT commands. they're not exactly transparent... and the last time I dealt with them directly was about 1995, so there's gotta be a lot of built up crap over the years.
12:00.15Captnoordhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/262219/windows-mobile-6-at-commands
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12:11.13phhAT+CCED=1 and AT+CCED=0,2 gives an error, i assume it doesn't work for gsm :(
12:17.12Captnoorddude
12:17.22Captnoordread rilphone.dll
12:17.23Captnoordstrings
12:17.56phhah. right
12:18.24phhI was searching for a reference file but well, htc's ril will be fine too :D
12:18.35Captnoordloads of at commands
12:18.44Captnoordyou need to follow them
12:18.47Captnoordfollow the asm
12:18.51Captnoordto get a hold on the params
12:19.00Captnoordand maybe get a possible description
12:19.12Captnoordcommands like
12:19.14CaptnoordAT+CFUN?
12:19.19Captnoordare really funny.....
12:19.20Captnoord:S
12:19.31phh:)
12:19.46phhIt's something like setting radio power no ?
12:20.10phh(i'm not cheating with android ril's source at all.)
12:20.30Captnoordyea
12:20.35CaptnoordI think its in that dll
12:22.07phh% strings rilphone.dll |grep AT |wc -l
12:22.07phh408
12:22.11phhwill be a bit long.
12:24.42phhI guess I'll have to install ida somewhere
12:32.06Captnoordhehe
12:39.21phhAT$3G_NEIGHBOR_ST?
12:39.27phhi bet it won't work.
12:40.04pjottrrjust successfully booted android, with latest zimage i could find, it's looking realy nice, but i do have a few questions
12:40.37pjottrrlot's of applications just give an error at startup like ...aplication crashed force close ... ?
12:40.58pjottrr<PROTECTED>
12:41.54phhsee topic.
12:42.11phhif you have purely android-related questions, ask where you got this release
12:43.45pjottrrwell i don't know if it is specifically android related, it's more like linux on da how to find error logs
12:44.12phhunless your phone is broken, you won't get such things in linux.
12:44.28pjottrrthen it is android related...
12:44.36pjottrri guess
12:46.37pjottrrLinux Android on Blackstone by #htc-linux team
12:47.09pjottrrthat's what i was doing... so i thought this is the best place to ask...
12:47.38phhask on the forum
12:50.04phhbaahh, 3G_NEIGHBOR_ST returns only 0s
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13:49.19phhD/AT      ( 1526): AT< $3G_RESEL_STATUS: 0,0,-64,0,0,0,4,12,10786,-101,-99,-9,-15,53,10786,-103,-103,-11,-23,60,10786,-104,-104,-12,-25,235,10786,-107,-107,-15,-31,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
13:49.24phhnothing looks like a cellid in there :/
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14:21.02makkonenis there a way to load the tarred wifi modules in the angstrom initrd from ltg? do the modules need to be rolled in at boot or can they be loaded after the fact from the command line?
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14:50.21phhmakkonen: they are just modules
14:50.25phhyou can loadit whenever you want
14:50.49phhjust respect the order (for dependencies): rfkill_backport cfg80211 mac80211 wl1251 (with mac=XXXXXXX if you want) wl1251_sdio
14:54.23itchy8mewhy can't MSM_VKEYB_KEY_W be bigger than 26?
14:54.46itchy8meif i make it bigger the virtual keyboard dissapears
14:57.38NetRipperanyone here want a google wave invite?
14:57.50NetRippermight be fun for dev purposes
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15:02.56itchy8mewow.. never knew about it.. looks intresting
15:07.38NetRipperhave 6 invites left so.. drop me your google email in pm if you want an invite
15:08.34itchy8meitchy8me@gmail.com
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15:14.08NetRipperitchy8me, sent, but "Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick. "
15:14.11NetRipper:)
15:14.22itchy8methanks buddy :)
15:14.24NetRipperbut i enlisted you
15:14.25NetRipper:)
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16:37.38tpruvothi
16:38.31tpruvotdoes somebody know what is exactly the xip.bin in rom files ?
16:38.45tpruvoti'm making a new kind of rom editor...
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16:43.13ali1234xip = eXectute in place
16:43.21tpruvotoh :)
16:43.28tpruvotnot in memory so...
16:43.34ali1234dunno
16:44.18tpruvotok, i need to find how to extract that...
16:44.25phhtpruvot: it's to run the kernel from the nand instead of copying it to RAM
16:44.41tpruvotphh, its a wince rom ;)
16:44.47phhyes and ?
16:44.49tpruvotoh yea
16:44.53tpruvotok...
16:45.17phhkernel also exists in wince :p
16:45.54tpruvotand minios.bin... that tell you something ?
16:46.14phhhum no
16:46.31tpruvotok, i think its acer specific
16:46.55tpruvotsame kind of header than xip.bin
16:47.24tpruvotits why i need a command line  tool to extract that (or sourcesà
16:47.57tpruvoti found the way to patch azerty to qwerty :)
16:50.24tpruvothttp://images.guiks.net/img/11-2009/AcerRomCooker.png
16:50.45tpruvottake a look :)
16:51.12tpruvoti can compare roms to see what is modified by "cookers"
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17:36.25gnutoohi leviathan_
17:36.46gnutoobtw does someone know how to boot a kexec kenrel
17:36.54gnutooI need something that works
17:37.07gnutoobecause when I tried it rebooted on android
17:37.47tpruvotrebooted to android ?
17:41.21phhmeaning A11 crashed.
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19:48.16NetRippercr2, i pushed your haret patch into git
19:48.33NetRippercr2, and haretconsole is also updated for qsd8xxx now
19:49.35NetRipperoff
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19:53.54gnutootpruvot, yes I fastbooted my kenrel, so I booted on the sdcard to SHR that is a GNU/Linux istro,then I kexec the kenrel ,then it shuts down and then I'm on nand instead of the kexec kenrel
20:00.58tpruvotyep i know
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20:04.26tpruvothttp://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=androidhtc/bootenv;a=blob;f=rootfs/bin/reboot;h=1ff48375303fd9e98e62b2d97f1c39863eb5f042;hb=HEAD
20:04.57tpruvotkexec -u / kexec -l ... / kexec -e
20:05.18tpruvotunload / load / exec
20:20.24gnutoook thanks a lot I'll try now
20:21.07gnutooso what should I do exactly? kexec -u;kexec -l ./kernel;kexec -e ?
20:26.08gnutootpruvot,^^^
20:28.48gnutootpruvot, ah ok sorry
20:28.56gnutooI have to load the kernel first
20:30.07tpruvotget my script and modify it
20:30.14tpruvotand type reboot ;)
20:30.17tpruvotor boot ;)
20:31.07tpruvotbut yes, its L then E
20:31.31tpruvotyou can set initrd also with the load command
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20:54.25TitanMKDhi
20:54.38squikhi
20:54.52TitanMKDI search a channel for Vogue/Tytn2 developer on Linux/Android
20:55.11squikje suis newbie ici, salut freenaute
20:55.16TitanMKDi'm working on a kernel patch
20:55.45TitanMKDto stop the USB bug on Kaiser when battery is full USB is stopped
21:03.44gnutootpruvot, where's your script?
21:03.53gnutooah ok
21:06.04gnutoothanks a lot for the script
21:10.00TitanMKDAnyone here work on Kaiser or Vogue phone ?
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21:34.59gnutoommm....I think it doesn't work
21:50.40tpruvotTitanMKD: mmm yes i was
21:50.47tpruvota little b...
21:51.21tpruvotgnutoo: yea, you need also a working kexec
21:51.30tpruvotthere is one in the tree
21:51.43tpruvotin rootfs/sbin
21:51.54tpruvotstatic
21:52.17gnutoomine is built with klibc and is static
21:52.29gnutoobasically I think the kernel pannics after beeing kexeced
21:52.35gnutooand then it reboots
21:54.14tpruvotyea, i fixed recently something like that on vogue kernel
21:54.20tpruvotwas in uncrompress.h
21:54.26tpruvotuncompress.h
21:54.59tpruvoti had to disable the direct framebuffer access...
21:55.13tpruvotwhich write "uncompressing kernel....."
22:01.19gnutoook
22:01.52gnutooI should get that patch I think
22:02.21gnutooall what I need is a dump
22:02.27gnutoofor alsa
22:02.58tpruvotwas not really a patch
22:03.32tpruvoti've seen kexec was no more working after a commit
22:03.51tpruvotso i've take a look at the diff...
22:04.09tpruvotyou're on raph ?
22:07.31gnutooon
22:07.34gnutoohtcdream
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22:35.37mintishhippois anyone there?
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23:18.18leviathan_hi gnutoo
23:18.57leviathanthere were some people who tricked me to get to go to poly ball
23:19.16leviathansome fucking lame ennoying social shit event
23:19.16leviathansoooo lame
23:19.16leviathangot home now
23:19.19leviathanas soon as possible
23:19.24leviathansuch waste of time
23:19.37leviathanI could have done much more work for SHR in this time...
23:23.09gnutoook
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23:44.29leviathangnutoo: oh, your online
23:44.33leviathanwunderful!
23:44.34leviathanso
23:44.40leviathanI've following progress
23:44.44gnutooyes I'm online
23:44.48leviathansound nearly works
23:44.54gnutoorealy?
23:45.03leviathanmeans, headset gets recognised and so on
23:45.06leviathanonly problem
23:45.15leviathanmplayer still fucks up
23:45.42leviathanthe problem is, we need a proper clean android indipendent alsa driver
23:45.44gnutooI've patches that makes it go further but it crashes the phone after
23:45.51leviathanyes
23:45.57gnutooor...a pulseaudio/mplayer driver
23:46.06gnutoothat would be easy to do
23:46.07leviathanwifi hangs, when I try to install it from ipkg
23:46.11leviathanyes
23:46.13gnutoobut the performances wouldn't be great
23:46.19gnutoofor pulseaudio
23:46.25gnutooor it would be very incompatible
23:46.34gnutoofor mplayer
23:46.35leviathanthe most important thing is: making it free from unfree parts
23:46.45leviathanand having linux standart conform driver
23:47.11leviathanI think, I'll take the driver and will modify the parts from qdsp5 / adsp
23:47.16leviathanto make a totaly new one
23:47.36leviathanI've enough from basing our works totaly from android
23:47.59leviathantheire quality of code is so damn fucking nothing, that it doesnt help us really to rely on them
23:48.08leviathansry, im little drunken, so Im very frank
23:48.23leviathanI came to the conclusion some time before
23:48.43leviathanafter I tried to read theire code, that android sources are not really usable as such
23:48.46gnutoono...don't write the driver from scratch
23:49.10leviathannope... Ill do waste extraction ;-)
23:49.21gnutooif you want to have an alsa driver go on the alsa devel mailing list archives
23:49.28gnutooand read what I was told to do
23:49.43leviathanI already did this
23:49.48TitanMKDFine I have HAret working ;)
23:50.00leviathancool
23:50.05TitanMKDvey good to dump register ..
23:50.17leviathanI'm building ATM a very fresh image with mickeys modifications
23:50.34leviathanhttp://ftp.o2s.ch/pub/openmoko/images/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091128-htcdream.rootfs.tar.bz2
23:50.43leviathanthis is the one from some hours ago
23:50.56leviathanbut it has still some bugs
23:51.04TitanMKDleviathan are you working on Vogue/Kaiser build ?
23:51.24leviathanhtcdream builds also work on kaiser/vogue
23:51.27leviathanits all the same board
23:51.30leviathantrout
23:51.46leviathanI recycled a lot of the work
23:51.50TitanMKDhmm ok
23:51.55leviathanwhich was already done by kaiser people
23:52.07leviathanto get htcdream shr working like it does now
23:52.24leviathanand I got a hudge amount of help from gnutoo and playya
23:52.27TitanMKDI have built an android sapphire-open but it doesn't work ;)
23:52.38TitanMKDafter Android logo it crash ...
23:52.44leviathanfrankly... I didnt even try to use android
23:52.58leviathanI begon to hate it in the first 5 min I had it in my hands
23:53.07TitanMKDbut for the moment I work on the kernel to remove some nasty bugs like USB stopping to work when battery is full
23:53.14gnutooTitanMKD, get the logs with adb
23:53.19leviathannow I erased android totally from the device and I even removed the t-mobile and google logo
23:53.30TitanMKDgnutoo i do it there's lot of non working things
23:53.35TitanMKDgnutoo with logcat
23:53.41gnutoook
23:53.45leviathanstart to develop the kernel with OE
23:53.58TitanMKDgnutoo it seems I have missed to replace some packages with a working image
23:54.01leviathanbecause then you can avoid to write nasty android specific code
23:54.08leviathanlike the google people did
23:54.19TitanMKDOE what it means ?
23:54.23leviathanits terrible to read, and more terrible to modify google code for and.
23:54.29leviathanOpenEmbedded
23:54.33TitanMKDha ok
23:54.40leviathanyou can download a rootimage from ftp.o2s.ch
23:54.48gnutoobasically android is a lot non-standard
23:54.50leviathan(my small and friendly company)
23:54.51leviathan^^
23:54.56gnutoofrom the kernel userland interface
23:54.59leviathanhttp://ftp.o2s.ch/pub/openmoko/images/shr-fso-console-image-eglibc-ipk--20091106-htcdream.rootfs.yaffs2
23:55.00gnutooto the userspace
23:55.12TitanMKDyes there's tons of patch everywhere in kernel for arm ;)
23:55.13leviathanjust use this one
23:55.21leviathanyou can even flash it into internal memory
23:55.24TitanMKDespecially the rotation of screen is not very clean
23:55.25gnutooif we standardize the kernel we could run a standard userland
23:55.47leviathanthats the plan
23:55.52TitanMKDgood
23:56.05TitanMKDi do not use yaffs2 i use ext2/3
23:56.08gnutooleviathan, so how did you come to the conclusion that we xorg didn't do xrandr -o 1 with fbdev?
23:56.13TitanMKDwith a partition on my sdcard
23:56.18gnutooTitanMKD, me too
23:56.32leviathanin one of the repetition lectures, I had, I tooks some time and looked into the datasheet of the msmboard, and Im now able to write a custom alsadriver
23:56.38TitanMKDdoes there is any interest in yaffs2 about speed compared to ext2 ?
23:56.40leviathangnutoo: because I googled?
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23:56.53leviathanand there were forum entrys for redhat and ubuntu
23:57.03gnutooleviathan, ok where's the page?
23:57.10gnutooleviathan, ah ok
23:57.11leviathanand I asked in the german irc channel for neo freerunner and openmoko development
23:57.12leviathanim also in
23:57.34TitanMKDleviathan where are the msmboard datasheet ?
23:57.34leviathanand they told it to mee too
23:57.34gnutooleviathan, I didn't find anything anything decisive on the internet
23:57.38leviathanTitanMKD: in my IMAP mailfolder ;-)
23:57.43gnutooleviathan, not yet
23:57.44leviathanTitanMKD: forward?
23:57.50TitanMKDleviathan could you send me them
23:58.08gnutooleviathan, I didn't have the  possibility to get them from my friend
23:58.10leviathanTitanMKD: yoah, just give me the address ;)
23:58.21leviathanyou too? ok
23:58.23TitanMKDleviathan titanmkd@gmail.com
23:58.38TitanMKDleviathan i'm interested on all datasheet for msm7xxx
23:59.35TitanMKDespecially the wifi because even on WinCE it work not correctly

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