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| 09:15.46 | Untouchab1e | hey :) |
| 09:16.54 | tmzt | hello |
| 09:17.14 | Untouchab1e | hows things? |
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| 09:18.13 | tmzt | okay |
| 09:18.32 | Untouchab1e | hehe good.. I guess? :P |
| 09:19.31 | tmzt | yeah |
| 09:19.49 | tmzt | wish rpc would come sooner |
| 09:20.02 | tmzt | withoit cr2 and maejrep |
| 09:20.06 | tmzt | it's slow |
| 09:20.34 | tmzt | thinking about working on a shell |
| 09:21.00 | Untouchab1e | i know |
| 09:21.22 | Untouchab1e | what kind of shell? |
| 09:21.35 | tmzt | like webos |
| 09:21.40 | Untouchab1e | ah.. |
| 09:21.46 | tmzt | webkit based widget host |
| 09:21.51 | Untouchab1e | btw, where is maejrep? |
| 09:21.58 | Untouchab1e | havent seen him in ages |
| 09:22.06 | tmzt | he's been busy on work stuff |
| 09:22.17 | tmzt | but his raph broke |
| 09:22.35 | tmzt | he was the other one cdma |
| 09:22.41 | tmzt | and AstainZZZZZZ |
| 09:22.46 | tmzt | and me |
| 09:23.01 | Untouchab1e | he can have my GSN |
| 09:23.08 | Untouchab1e | GsM raph100* |
| 09:23.51 | Untouchab1e | XD |
| 09:25.04 | Untouchab1e | speaking of the touch pro.. Afaik, the touch pro 2 has basically the exact same internal hardware, doesnt it? |
| 09:25.12 | Untouchab1e | anyone tried booting Android on it? |
| 09:26.24 | tmzt | someone asked |
| 09:26.51 | tmzt | got htcfb working |
| 09:27.00 | tmzt | haven't heard anything else |
| 09:28.26 | tmzt | yeah about the same hardware |
| 09:28.39 | tmzt | you like android right? |
| 09:28.48 | tmzt | can you tell me why? |
| 09:29.23 | tmzt | I hope to support linux an ce with the same widgets/api/js code |
| 09:29.30 | tmzt | and |
| 09:30.55 | Untouchab1e | you mean why i like Android from a user experience point of view or more technical? |
| 09:31.49 | tmzt | ui |
| 09:32.04 | tmzt | either or both if you want |
| 09:32.10 | tmzt | just seeking input |
| 10:00.37 | Untouchab1e | well, im on my adp1 so its tricky to type out my full view of Android |
| 10:01.38 | Untouchab1e | but basicially i feel it connects what i love about winmo with a modern touch friendly, good looking (and very customizable) interface |
| 10:02.48 | Untouchab1e | and the integration with the google services such as gmail and google calendar has given me a whole new experience |
| 10:03.17 | tmzt | ok |
| 10:03.17 | Untouchab1e | the regular polled email sync solution just seems antique in comparison with the gmail push-like sync |
| 10:03.37 | tmzt | so the question would be what you like about wm I guess |
| 10:03.56 | tmzt | well, they said that works by slecting/polling a tcp socket |
| 10:04.28 | tmzt | but I don't mean the feautures, I mean do you think the java and gui approach is better than an html/ks approach |
| 10:04.44 | tmzt | is it worht having custom rendered apps layed out in xml |
| 10:04.53 | tmzt | html/ks |
| 10:04.57 | tmzt | html/kjs |
| 10:05.00 | tmzt | html/js |
| 10:05.13 | tmzt | though it was kjs at one point (webkit) |
| 10:05.27 | Untouchab1e | well, I have been doing som android app development now and its my first experience with any real .xml programming and i am surprised at how well it works |
| 10:05.57 | Untouchab1e | I am still more confident with .net programming but java is quickly coming back to me |
| 10:06.57 | Untouchab1e | wether the java approach is better, i dont know yet, but it certainly seems to work well |
| 10:07.56 | Untouchab1e | The adt + eclipse is no visual studio but it works pretty good |
| 10:09.34 | Untouchab1e | but that isnt the area of WinMo i dislike.. its more the fact that over the years Winmo has gone from being ahead of their time to way behind it |
| 10:10.18 | Untouchab1e | its an amazing piece of patchwork.. as it is basicially the same as it was back in the days of the Qtek 7070, 2020 and even further |
| 10:11.03 | Untouchab1e | WinMo 7 will be interesting as they (say they) are building it from the ground up and.. yeah.. lol |
| 10:11.38 | tmzt | well, my problem with java is I can't install, say, abiword |
| 10:11.51 | tmzt | I have to wait for someone to port it to java |
| 10:12.27 | tmzt | if it was X, or at least native, I would have had a much greater selection of applications |
| 10:12.59 | tmzt | I like the webos approach, html/js ui and native plugins |
| 10:13.18 | tmzt | I also want something keyboard driven |
| 10:13.50 | tmzt | my problem with ce is a little different than yours, it's that every flaw requires an application to patch |
| 10:14.10 | tmzt | if a certain feature is missing I need to go find an app that adds it |
| 10:15.18 | tmzt | webos is nice in that anyone can edit the code, in place |
| 10:15.23 | tmzt | but it's closed |
| 10:15.48 | tmzt | the code is there but the license prevents doing much of anything with it |
| 10:16.17 | tmzt | I want to rebuild most of the core functionality as something everyone can contribute to |
| 10:16.48 | tmzt | can download a new phone or a new major major feature whenever |
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| 10:17.11 | tmzt | without having to compile, "cook" or whatever |
| 10:17.40 | tmzt | rwhitby's approach is great, using quilt, but I need the html/js to be open |
| 10:17.52 | tmzt | and openly modifiable and dsitributable |
| 10:18.08 | tmzt | I also need fso to be underneath |
| 10:18.14 | tmzt | and open foundattion |
| 10:18.18 | Untouchab1e | Android is technicially open source |
| 10:18.22 | tmzt | drm for graphics |
| 10:18.24 | tmzt | I know |
| 10:18.46 | tmzt | but the time someone would invest to change core feautures is too great for me |
| 10:19.13 | tmzt | dbus for ipc |
| 10:19.28 | tmzt | probably gstreamer for codecs/multimedia |
| 10:19.31 | Untouchab1e | hmmm... |
| 10:19.54 | tmzt | it's the lisp machine approach |
| 10:19.57 | Untouchab1e | but then again, why would you need to change the core Android features? |
| 10:20.16 | tmzt | why not? |
| 10:20.21 | Untouchab1e | lol |
| 10:20.27 | Untouchab1e | dont change what works well? |
| 10:20.30 | Untouchab1e | :P |
| 10:20.35 | tmzt | can't think of one feauture you want to add? |
| 10:20.43 | Untouchab1e | hmmm... |
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| 10:21.02 | Untouchab1e | not any core functionality.. no |
| 10:21.16 | tmzt | well okay |
| 10:21.23 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 10:21.25 | tmzt | what outside of core? |
| 10:21.55 | Untouchab1e | *thinks* |
| 10:22.39 | Untouchab1e | Fix the bugged IM client :P |
| 10:23.07 | tmzt | think about the things in webos that have already been patched |
| 10:23.26 | tmzt | by that community |
| 10:23.26 | tmzt | look at the wiki |
| 10:23.35 | tmzt | if I had the url |
| 10:23.37 | Untouchab1e | Not up to date on the webos comunity as the pre isnt available outside the US |
| 10:23.38 | Untouchab1e | lol |
| 10:23.44 | tmzt | yeah |
| 10:24.03 | tmzt | things like, character count was missing on sms |
| 10:24.08 | Untouchab1e | ah |
| 10:24.13 | tmzt | a few lines (I guess) |
| 10:24.17 | tmzt | of js |
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| 10:24.21 | Untouchab1e | mmm |
| 10:24.22 | tmzt | and it's there |
| 10:24.28 | Untouchab1e | I see the point |
| 10:24.41 | Untouchab1e | Have you given android a spin though? |
| 10:24.42 | tmzt | how much study/work to add that to android's sms |
| 10:24.49 | tmzt | if it's even open |
| 10:24.57 | tmzt | an open app |
| 10:24.57 | Untouchab1e | its already there so I havent thought about it :P |
| 10:25.05 | tmzt | from what perspective? |
| 10:25.14 | tmzt | hey, it's firefox extensions |
| 10:25.20 | Untouchab1e | Any perspective? := |
| 10:25.31 | tmzt | only from trying it on tp |
| 10:25.42 | Untouchab1e | i see |
| 10:25.49 | tmzt | liking it but without phone function getting little use |
| 10:25.55 | Untouchab1e | hehe, yeah |
| 10:25.58 | Untouchab1e | sadly |
| 10:26.17 | tmzt | not liking that I need to generate a special prescaled coordinate for touchscreen |
| 10:26.32 | tmzt | or the unusual kernel interfaces |
| 10:27.03 | Untouchab1e | but that is haret or linux related though? |
| 10:27.08 | tmzt | not liking that for some reason the device would shut off if I enabled phone |
| 10:27.19 | tmzt | it's android related |
| 10:27.28 | Untouchab1e | but tbh, since there are still around 5-10 more Android phones coming by the end of the year.. I think at least I could live at least a while longer without Android on my TP |
| 10:27.35 | tmzt | the have capac. and don't support resisitve |
| 10:27.51 | tmzt | I need cdma |
| 10:27.57 | tmzt | specifically verizon |
| 10:28.24 | Untouchab1e | hehe, the us and their outrages carrier policy |
| 10:28.35 | tmzt | I don't know, I hope motorola and samsung are more open about those then past devices |
| 10:28.46 | tmzt | moto had a touchscreen device in 2002 |
| 10:28.46 | Untouchab1e | Yeah.. |
| 10:28.49 | tmzt | with linux |
| 10:28.52 | tmzt | or 2004 |
| 10:28.56 | Untouchab1e | yup |
| 10:28.56 | tmzt | whichever |
| 10:29.01 | Untouchab1e | a guy in my unit got it |
| 10:29.11 | tmzt | clear cover |
| 10:29.15 | Untouchab1e | he is fooling around with it constantly,, lol |
| 10:29.28 | tmzt | but they couldn't support native applications |
| 10:29.35 | tmzt | barely got the gpl code |
| 10:29.44 | tmzt | posted |
| 10:29.47 | Untouchab1e | but yeah.. only reason the tp has a resisitive screen is due to winmo though |
| 10:29.55 | tmzt | don't know the whole story |
| 10:29.56 | tmzt | yes |
| 10:30.12 | tmzt | I want to see what can be done with linux apis |
| 10:30.18 | Untouchab1e | yeah |
| 10:30.25 | tmzt | Palm used a very standard os |
| 10:30.28 | Untouchab1e | what about OpenMoko? |
| 10:30.39 | Untouchab1e | havent read up on it much |
| 10:30.44 | tmzt | android replaced everything to get it all apache license |
| 10:30.49 | tmzt | the software? |
| 10:30.52 | Untouchab1e | yeh |
| 10:30.53 | tmzt | shr is good |
| 10:31.09 | tmzt | but I don't think it's going to fit my usage |
| 10:31.15 | Untouchab1e | hmm I see |
| 10:31.30 | tmzt | after seing what the Pre and webos can do (the video) |
| 10:31.50 | tmzt | I've been working on shr for tp (cdma) |
| 10:32.03 | tmzt | if we had phone drivers it would work |
| 10:32.11 | tmzt | shr-project.org |
| 10:32.24 | tmzt | it would be a usable phone |
| 10:32.35 | tmzt | but I want it to look good also :) |
| 10:32.45 | tmzt | and yes, android looks fine |
| 10:32.58 | tmzt | but Sense is too slow on g1 class hardware |
| 10:33.02 | tmzt | not sure why |
| 10:33.21 | Untouchab1e | webos seems very good but it is still limited to one phone.. That means I still cant get both a great OS and a hardware I want.. with all the Android devices coming out within the next couple of months I think I can find my luck there |
| 10:33.41 | tmzt | we need something that can follow us to new devices |
| 10:33.57 | Untouchab1e | HTC are so insistant on getting rid of those cpu's they have used since.. god knowns how long |
| 10:34.05 | tmzt | don't like Pre, even if it was gsm? |
| 10:34.12 | Untouchab1e | nope.. |
| 10:34.18 | tmzt | cpu's? |
| 10:34.19 | Untouchab1e | sadly |
| 10:34.37 | tmzt | pxa? |
| 10:34.58 | Untouchab1e | cant remember the model name atm but those qualcom 530mhz cpus HTC has used in all their phones the last 2 years |
| 10:35.12 | tmzt | I think fso is a good base, the vala rewrite should be fast |
| 10:35.17 | Untouchab1e | if they gave the htc hero a better one, maybe Sense would run better |
| 10:35.19 | tmzt | msm |
| 10:35.26 | tmzt | yeah |
| 10:35.40 | tmzt | qsd/snapdragon is coming |
| 10:35.48 | Untouchab1e | but they seem to really wanna deplete their stock first :) |
| 10:35.50 | tmzt | better ati grphics |
| 10:35.54 | Untouchab1e | yeah |
| 10:35.59 | tmzt | and cortex |
| 10:36.12 | Untouchab1e | again.. i am crossing my finger for a touch pro 2-like device with Android |
| 10:36.32 | Untouchab1e | that is my ultimate dream.. Touch Pro 2 with a capacitive screen and androi |
| 10:36.55 | tmzt | it would be as simple as android amss on rhod |
| 10:37.04 | tmzt | with a different touchscreen |
| 10:37.10 | tmzt | really |
| 10:37.11 | Untouchab1e | yeh.. lol |
| 10:37.25 | tmzt | though the android devices have used matrix keyboard |
| 10:37.25 | Untouchab1e | but HTC wont be doing it |
| 10:37.30 | tmzt | right |
| 10:37.45 | tmzt | they don't see it as hardware and os |
| 10:37.51 | tmzt | it's a product |
| 10:38.08 | Untouchab1e | since HTC are still on the WinMo = Great Phones, Android = More social, not so great phones |
| 10:38.09 | tmzt | look at se |
| 10:38.25 | Untouchab1e | SE's Rachel will be interesting |
| 10:38.28 | tmzt | the new rachel or whatever is the same phone I think |
| 10:38.31 | Untouchab1e | still not qwerty though |
| 10:38.34 | tmzt | but android amss |
| 10:38.42 | tmzt | yeah, they dropped that |
| 10:38.48 | Untouchab1e | sadlyt |
| 10:38.48 | tmzt | one less microp |
| 10:39.30 | tmzt | you like the android homescreen? pre 1.5? |
| 10:39.36 | Untouchab1e | got to run.. battery is at 5% :P need to find a charger (Damn Adp1ls 1200mAh battery) |
| 10:40.12 | Untouchab1e | yeah.. the homescreen itself pre 1.5 just doesnt support widgets, thats the only real difference.. a rather significant one though |
| 10:40.26 | Untouchab1e | dont think i could use Android if I didnt have a calendar widget on it |
| 10:40.29 | tmzt | yeah |
| 10:40.37 | tmzt | just the built in ones |
| 10:40.38 | tmzt | see |
| 10:40.51 | tmzt | if they didn't add that you'd be stuck |
| 10:41.00 | Untouchab1e | but they did add it |
| 10:41.03 | tmzt | my way, a little js and you have one :) |
| 10:41.05 | tmzt | yes |
| 10:41.51 | tmzt | it's funny, wm pooped the calendar over everything and it wouldn't go away |
| 10:41.56 | tmzt | popped |
| 10:42.04 | Untouchab1e | and Google seems to be steering Android in the right direction.. just think will be added in Donought, Ecipe (or what they called it) and Felife (forgot that name as well.. read it today) |
| 10:42.06 | tmzt | I thought I had a widget |
| 10:42.15 | Untouchab1e | haha |
| 10:42.32 | tmzt | which I had a picture |
| 10:42.38 | tmzt | it was cool |
| 10:43.16 | Untouchab1e | ;) |
| 10:43.35 | Untouchab1e | I remember when I got the Qtek 7070.. that was awesome |
| 10:43.44 | tmzt | which was that? |
| 10:44.32 | Untouchab1e | while others where bearly grasping MMS and the fact that their Nokias had a colour screen, I was sitting there chatting on Msn, surfing the web and watching movies :D |
| 10:44.54 | tmzt | what device? |
| 10:44.57 | tmzt | codename |
| 10:44.57 | Untouchab1e | google it.. it ran Windows Smartphone 2002 |
| 10:45.07 | Untouchab1e | Qtek 7070.. thats all I remember |
| 10:45.07 | tmzt | strtrk? |
| 10:45.09 | Untouchab1e | no |
| 10:45.13 | Untouchab1e | way before that |
| 10:45.18 | tmzt | ok |
| 10:45.22 | tmzt | but htc? |
| 10:45.25 | Untouchab1e | strtrk is Qtek 5500.. had that too |
| 10:45.34 | Untouchab1e | Qtek was HTC's europe brand basicially |
| 10:45.41 | tmzt | yeah |
| 10:45.43 | tmzt | ok |
| 10:45.56 | tmzt | typhoon? |
| 10:46.05 | tmzt | I'll look |
| 10:46.37 | tmzt | I hope if I can support wm we can get some people to help us, unite the xda community a bit |
| 10:46.57 | tmzt | with widgets/themes, etc. |
| 10:47.03 | tmzt | anyway |
| 10:47.48 | Untouchab1e | what do you mean "support wm"? |
| 10:48.05 | Untouchab1e | support it on what? |
| 10:48.28 | tmzt | I want this engine to work over ce |
| 10:48.34 | tmzt | as a replacement shell |
| 10:48.44 | tmzt | as well as linux |
| 10:48.57 | tmzt | same webkit engine |
| 10:49.01 | tmzt | same js api |
| 10:49.14 | tmzt | abstract things like dialing |
| 10:49.17 | tmzt | and events |
| 10:49.38 | tmzt | and support launchine native apps |
| 10:49.57 | Untouchab1e | ah, right |
| 10:50.02 | Untouchab1e | thats cool |
| 10:50.16 | Untouchab1e | ambitious, but cool |
| 10:50.27 | tmzt | well, yes |
| 10:50.34 | tmzt | can't do it alone |
| 10:51.01 | tmzt | need win32 people |
| 10:51.21 | tmzt | need to get drm to work on mdp, big task |
| 10:51.35 | tmzt | on the linux side, I mean |
| 10:51.58 | tmzt | probably need to strip the X server to support direct rendering |
| 10:52.03 | tmzt | from clients |
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| 10:52.12 | tmzt | and still be fast |
| 10:52.31 | tmzt | and need to figure out our own js to dbus bridge |
| 10:52.40 | tmzt | with security |
| 10:52.44 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 10:52.54 | tmzt | so yes, a lot of work |
| 10:53.02 | Untouchab1e | hope you get it working one day mate.. :) |
| 10:53.09 | tmzt | thanks |
| 10:53.15 | tmzt | enjoy android |
| 10:53.43 | tmzt | google is going to same direction with chrom os thing |
| 10:53.47 | tmzt | chrome |
| 10:53.50 | tmzt | same concept |
| 10:54.12 | tmzt | but for laptops or something |
| 10:54.51 | Untouchab1e | for netbooks |
| 10:55.08 | Untouchab1e | which the whole world seems to be missing :P (at least Norwegian newspapers) |
| 10:55.12 | tmzt | yes |
| 10:55.21 | tmzt | right |
| 10:55.24 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 10:55.36 | tmzt | with kernel modesetting |
| 10:55.44 | tmzt | X becomes a tiny proxy |
| 10:56.06 | tmzt | running as the user |
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| 10:56.33 | tmzt | then chrome/luna(part of webos) replaces the window manager |
| 10:56.45 | tmzt | and handles applications which are plugins |
| 10:56.49 | Untouchab1e | yeah |
| 10:56.56 | tmzt | even webkit itself is a plugin |
| 10:57.05 | tmzt | on webos, it's a luna plugin |
| 10:57.20 | tmzt | the is just guessing from the filesystem layout |
| 10:57.23 | tmzt | and filenames |
| 10:58.43 | tmzt | but the way I see thi, the web has become important on these devices |
| 10:58.54 | tmzt | so a good browser is neccessary |
| 10:59.12 | tmzt | and the browser is always going to be paged in |
| 10:59.25 | tmzt | and sharing it's code with other processes |
| 10:59.37 | tmzt | a shared library |
| 11:00.00 | tmzt | the browser also has to have a good rendering cpability |
| 11:00.06 | tmzt | so your choices are: |
| 11:00.21 | tmzt | duplicate that in your ui, as android does |
| 11:00.46 | tmzt | a new layout engine, xml description language, fitting code, etc. |
| 11:00.52 | tmzt | and a new api to learn |
| 11:01.10 | tmzt | or use the html renderers power in all your apps |
| 11:01.18 | tmzt | this is what webos does |
| 11:01.42 | tmzt | this is what firefox does, though slightly modified |
| 11:01.44 | Untouchab1e | i see |
| 11:02.05 | tmzt | xul is rendered by gecko, but it's not html |
| 11:02.08 | Untouchab1e | meeh.. dont like firefox :P |
| 11:02.14 | tmzt | oh |
| 11:02.25 | tmzt | it doesn't fit linux/gnome very well |
| 11:02.31 | tmzt | or kde of course |
| 11:02.34 | Untouchab1e | just the brower product itself, not the technology in it |
| 11:02.40 | tmzt | yeah |
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| 11:03.02 | Untouchab1e | its probably the heaviest and slowest browser, software wise |
| 11:03.12 | tmzt | why is that? |
| 11:03.17 | tmzt | even 3.5? |
| 11:03.34 | Untouchab1e | it just takes ages to load up compared to Chrome or Opera |
| 11:03.58 | tmzt | it does a lot of work to support extensions |
| 11:04.01 | tmzt | really? |
| 11:04.10 | tmzt | opera is slow on wm |
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| 11:04.16 | Untouchab1e | i feel like im booting up Photoshop each time i want to open firefox on my OpenSuse 11.1 installation |
| 11:04.17 | tmzt | canqt believe how slow |
| 11:04.37 | tmzt | haven't used it on the desktop recently |
| 11:04.40 | tmzt | years |
| 11:04.50 | tmzt | and haven't tried chrome really |
| 11:05.12 | Untouchab1e | Chrome doesnt work on Linux yet, so cant compare it there, but chrome on Windows is amazing |
| 11:05.26 | tmzt | the toolkit is pretty fast, but it still has to load jars and parse/process rdf |
| 11:05.41 | Untouchab1e | Opera in WinMo is slow though, I agree (surfing with the compression feature is a blast though) |
| 11:05.43 | tmzt | chrome is an os |
| 11:05.53 | tmzt | that's how it's designed |
| 11:05.55 | tmzt | mini? |
| 11:06.05 | tmzt | I use the full opera mobile |
| 11:06.17 | tmzt | chrome has a kernel |
| 11:06.30 | Untouchab1e | well that to, but Opera Mobile 9.7 beta has the same compression feature is you turn it on in settings |
| 11:06.54 | Untouchab1e | Chrome is also a webbrowser.... |
| 11:07.00 | tmzt | by putting the url bar under the tabs the open up the possibility of eliminating it on some tabs |
| 11:07.09 | tmzt | so I have a reader tab |
| 11:07.13 | tmzt | a gmail tab |
| 11:07.27 | tmzt | yes, but internally it's an os |
| 11:07.33 | Untouchab1e | ah, yeh |
| 11:07.39 | tmzt | it manages processes |
| 11:07.45 | Untouchab1e | true, true |
| 11:07.54 | Untouchab1e | Wich is brilliant |
| 11:08.12 | Untouchab1e | since if one tab freezes, the rest of the browser wont |
| 11:08.12 | tmzt | then add widgets |
| 11:08.20 | tmzt | even a desktop |
| 11:08.21 | Untouchab1e | yup |
| 11:08.36 | tmzt | I wanted netscape to do this years ago |
| 11:08.43 | Untouchab1e | but yeah.. try Opera Mobike 9.7 beta and turn on the compression feature ;) |
| 11:08.45 | tmzt | I thought they might |
| 11:08.52 | Untouchab1e | heh |
| 11:09.00 | tmzt | to get around ie being faster |
| 11:09.08 | tmzt | like I said, years ago |
| 11:09.17 | tmzt | faster to load |
| 11:09.23 | tmzt | make it the shell.exe |
| 11:09.48 | tmzt | explorer was too tied to everything else, webshell, etc. |
| 11:10.00 | tmzt | it could exit though |
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| 12:46.55 | tmzt | 21.5 |
| 12:46.58 | tmzt | 21.25 |
| 12:47.45 | tmzt | I need to stop sleeping |
| 12:49.33 | swc|666 | nods |
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| 13:15.52 | Captnoord | hmmm mate of mine is working on a q1 port to android |
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| 13:17.50 | tmzt | q1? |
| 13:18.30 | Captnoord | quake 1 |
| 13:18.31 | tmzt | ah |
| 13:18.31 | tmzt | in java? |
| 13:18.31 | Captnoord | nope |
| 13:18.47 | Captnoord | there is a way to run c/c++ apps on android |
| 13:21.51 | tmzt | jni |
| 13:22.26 | tmzt | which is what the first ndk practically is |
| 13:26.40 | Untouchab1e | q1 for android.. cool |
| 13:26.52 | Untouchab1e | not much of a mobile gamer myself but still.. hehe |
| 13:32.07 | Captnoord | its just for his opengl 3 port |
| 13:32.15 | Captnoord | so he is ripping out all the old stuff |
| 13:32.20 | Captnoord | quite fun |
| 13:39.25 | tmzt | g1 only has opengl1.1 |
| 13:39.37 | tmzt | so I don't know what you mean about 3 |
| 13:39.43 | Captnoord | ? |
| 13:39.49 | Captnoord | hehe I see |
| 13:39.49 | Captnoord | nah |
| 13:39.51 | Captnoord | what I mean |
| 13:40.02 | Captnoord | is that he is porting q1 to opengl 3.x |
| 13:40.05 | Captnoord | and that also means |
| 13:40.14 | Captnoord | that porting it to opengl es 1.x is a lot easier |
| 13:40.24 | tmzt | ah |
| 13:40.26 | tmzt | right |
| 13:40.40 | tmzt | because it's raw verticies |
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| 16:39.57 | towlie | hi guys |
| 16:42.29 | towlie | so i have an xda diamond.. is android usuable or not at the moment ? |
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| 17:35.43 | urban_ | hi, i've a question about android on kaiser - is it right channel? |
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| 19:02.34 | tuxhero | Captnoord: R u there? |
| 19:03.19 | tuxhero | Captnoord: come on i need your help |
| 19:05.58 | tuxhero | ok every one here on 7 of this month around 01:37 "80d57a01 = 017ad580" posted this. I want to know how 80d57a01 = 017ad580 ????? |
| 19:06.36 | tuxhero | ok every one here on 7 of this month around 01:37 "80d57a01 = 017ad580" Captnoord posted this. I want to know how 80d57a01 = 017ad580 ????? |
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| 19:46.32 | bally3 | #vogue-android |
| 19:46.51 | bally3 | dam |
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| 20:37.19 | towlie | i want android running on my linux |
| 20:37.54 | Squarc | towlie: ok |
| 20:38.07 | Squarc | towlie: you mean on your normal PC ? |
| 20:38.29 | towlie | no on my diamond |
| 20:38.32 | Squarc | oh ok |
| 20:38.34 | Squarc | yes |
| 20:38.37 | Squarc | well I want that too |
| 20:38.41 | Squarc | I have a diam also |
| 20:38.46 | Squarc | running WM now |
| 20:38.54 | Squarc | ehm, I've tried some stuff from here |
| 20:39.08 | towlie | and works flawlessly |
| 20:39.41 | Squarc | I got android running trough HaReT bookloader (some kind of bootloader that doesnt requires flash, and runs from Windows Mobile, so reset the phone and WM is back) |
| 20:39.43 | Squarc | well the problem is |
| 20:39.48 | Squarc | not all drivers are ready yet |
| 20:39.53 | Squarc | so android itself runs quite good |
| 20:40.04 | Squarc | though the sound drivers aren't finished yet |
| 20:40.23 | Squarc | and as you might expect, sound drivers are quite important for a phone |
| 20:41.03 | towlie | :D really |
| 20:41.06 | towlie | :D |
| 20:41.22 | towlie | so for the future it looks pretty good |
| 20:42.50 | Squarc | yes it does |
| 20:47.07 | towlie | good news |
| 20:47.18 | Squarc | :) yes |
| 20:47.37 | Squarc | I dont know the current state of this project |
| 20:47.38 | towlie | i would love to android running perfectly smooth on my diamond |
| 20:47.43 | Squarc | indeed |
| 20:47.52 | towlie | +see :) |
| 20:47.57 | Squarc | though tmzt told me about another phone project that he liked more |
| 20:48.09 | towlie | which ? |
| 20:48.11 | Squarc | and that he was working on also |
| 20:48.13 | Squarc | I cant remember it |
| 20:48.19 | Squarc | openphone OS or something |
| 20:48.21 | Squarc | like that |
| 20:48.35 | towlie | i ask google for help |
| 20:48.40 | Squarc | me 2 |
| 20:49.19 | towlie | hmm no usefull info |
| 20:49.47 | Squarc | me neither |
| 20:53.28 | towlie | so i will try now the newest verison with this haret |
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| 20:54.07 | towlie | where can i get it ? |
| 20:55.07 | Squarc | actually I dont know |
| 20:55.17 | Squarc | last time I checked I found a prebuild online |
| 20:56.33 | towlie | okay found something |
| 20:56.38 | Squarc | where? |
| 20:59.11 | towlie | http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=viewcategory&catid=4 |
| 20:59.12 | towlie | here |
| 21:00.25 | Squarc | the download link doesnt seem to be working :s |
| 21:00.39 | Squarc | got a 404 File not found |
| 21:00.48 | Squarc | @ http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=finish&cid=33&catid=4&m=0. |
| 21:03.14 | towlie | http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=finish&cid=33&catid=4&m=0 |
| 21:03.19 | towlie | works perfectly for me |
| 21:03.27 | towlie | okay it runs |
| 21:03.31 | towlie | very smooth |
| 21:03.32 | towlie | but |
| 21:03.41 | towlie | touchscreen is crap |
| 21:04.03 | towlie | it recognizes my "touch" somewhere else |
| 21:04.04 | towlie | :d |
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