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00:16.23Untouchab1eHi all
00:16.39tmzthello
00:16.52Untouchab1ehey tmzt, how's it going?
00:16.58tmztok
00:17.03Untouchab1egood, good
00:17.49Untouchab1eI am still frustrated
00:18.09Untouchab1eat HTC for treating their Android devices as toys while their WinMo devices gets the better treatment
00:18.43tmztwhat do you mean?
00:18.58tmztwindows mobile is seen as more professional
00:19.10Untouchab1eYeah, but that doesnt mean that Android phones have to look like crap
00:19.20Untouchab1ethey are still just as expensive.. almost
00:19.39Untouchab1eI mean look at HTC's devices from the last 2 years.. You have the diamond, touch pro.. touch pro 2.. Touch HD.. they are all stunning work of engineering..
00:19.39tmztthe design seems to be carrier driven
00:19.49tmztg1 looked like a hiptop
00:19.52tmztsidekick
00:19.56Untouchab1ewell, I am talking about stock devices.. not carrier dependant ones..
00:20.05Untouchab1e(thats a US phenomenon basically :P)
00:20.27tmztyes, but somebody had to sign on for htc to make an android device
00:20.31Untouchab1eanyhow.. the first Android device.. the Dream.. (I got the ADP1).. I still cant believe the same engineers worked on this
00:20.49tmztwhy exactly?
00:22.06Untouchab1eBecause Dream has so many technical design flaws not to mention the fact that it looks awfull and the build quality is even worse.. It is also very different in many aspects and doesnt feel at all like an HTC device (only exception is the extUSB port)
00:22.37tmztthe hinge?
00:23.20Untouchab1eWell.. the keyboard sliding mechanism is totally unlike anything HTC has made.. Its loose fitted, its all plastic and its not stable..
00:23.46Untouchab1eThe memory card slot cover is poor to say the least..
00:24.48Untouchab1eI now look at the Touch Pro 2 and look how amazing it is except for that fact that it runs Windows Mobile and as of such also has a resistive touch screen
00:25.03Untouchab1eIt just seems I cant get both a great OS and a great piece of hardware
00:25.27Untouchab1eor, it doesnt just seem like it.. thats a fact
00:25.42Untouchab1eEven HTC Hero isnt nearly as refined as their WinMo devices
00:25.47ali1234you can barely get one of those things
00:25.50Untouchab1elol
00:25.57Untouchab1eI disagree, but oh well
00:26.15Untouchab1eTouch Pro 2 is for me the ultimate device (if it had a capacitive screen that is)
00:26.21Untouchab1eand Android is the ultimate OS for me
00:26.23tmztdidn't just agress with you?
00:26.31Untouchab1e?
00:26.32tmztwhy android?
00:26.46tmztdidn't hejust agree with you?
00:26.54ali1234no, i was saying android sucks
00:27.04ali1234also most of the windows mobile hardware sucks too
00:27.17tmztthat you can't perfect hardware with same os
00:27.17tmztah
00:27.27Untouchab1eHow can you say that Android sucks? and how can you say the Touch Pro 2 sucks? lol
00:27.30ali1234basically all smartphones are rubbish :)
00:27.33Untouchab1elol
00:27.40Untouchab1ewhat on earth are you doing here then? :S
00:27.59ali1234trying to do something about it
00:28.07Untouchab1elol
00:28.16tmzton the software side?
00:28.25ali1234right :)
00:28.40tmztI'm think about working ona widget engine supporting both linux and ce
00:29.01Untouchab1etmzt have you given Android a full go? Like on a Android device?
00:29.12tmztno
00:29.13tmztI don't have one
00:29.17ali1234all i want is a ssh tablet
00:29.20tmztbut I would get bored with it
00:29.30Untouchab1eHah, I doubt it ^^
00:29.56Untouchab1eThe iPhone you get bored with (after 2 minutes).. but Android is just that.. its everything the iPhone is not
00:30.43tmztwhy exactly?
00:30.47ali1234does that include "unpopular"?
00:30.54Untouchab1elol
00:31.08tmztI get bored with an environment when I've seen every scfeen basically
00:31.12Untouchab1eBecause while iPhone is not a smartphone even though its marketed as one
00:31.35tmztI want to know why I wouldn't get bored with android?
00:31.42ali1234oh look! contact list! hmm... bored
00:32.03tmztno, it's marketed as a phone
00:32.20tmztif you want to discuss this, joid #xda-dev
00:32.24Untouchab1eHeh.. because Android brings whats good about Windows Mobile (Functionality, customizisation, great hacking comunity over at XDA) with the looks and up-to-date touch screen interface that the iPhone OS or WebOS has
00:32.48tmztI want to be able to make changes while using the device
00:32.55Untouchab1eWhat kind of changes?
00:33.17tmztthe wm approach is spend hours cooking something and five minutes playing with it
00:33.28tmztany
00:33.31Untouchab1eYou can easily do the same with Android
00:33.33tmztthat's the point
00:34.01tmztI can edit the java code and build apks on the device?
00:34.36Untouchab1eWell, actually.. I am very sure you do the first one (Il give you the link) but I can only say "probably" to the second one
00:35.15tmztsure android has a "touch interface" but I want a keyboard interface
00:35.26Untouchab1ethen get the ADP1 then :P
00:35.32Untouchab1ehttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/06/09/google-brings-android-programming-to-your-phone-with-ase/
00:35.34Untouchab1ethis what you wanted?
00:35.44tmztase?
00:35.56Untouchab1eyeah
00:36.06tmztI don't like the android api much, j2se is simple enough
00:36.19Untouchab1ehehe
00:36.21tmztwhat is ase?
00:36.35ali1234lua bindings on the android api, by the looks of it
00:36.37tmztoh, ok
00:36.39ali1234and a simple text editor
00:36.40Untouchab1eAndroid Scripting Environment
00:36.45tmztI see
00:37.04Untouchab1epretty neat to be honest
00:37.05ali1234give me a self hosted C compiler please, then we'll talk
00:37.06tmzthas anybody written a good google reader client for android yet?
00:37.13tmztI've been waiting a year
00:37.41Untouchab1enot sure.. I have to write 11 lines of terminal code each time I want access to priced apps on the market :P
00:38.09Untouchab1eBut now that widgets are all over the market I am pretty sure there are a few
00:41.13tmztfull podcast support without a background (graphical) app
00:41.30tmzttomboy like notes environment
00:41.39tmztsyncing to private server
00:41.51tmzttelepathy/tubes
00:42.00Untouchab1ehehe
00:42.05tmztabiword engine
00:42.14tmztnative web page tabs
00:42.52tmztI laid most this out in #linwizard last year
00:42.54ali1234mooooooon on a stiiiiiiiiick
00:42.56Untouchab1eAny way I look at it, Android is the best mobile OS out there.. As long as Windows Mobile doesnt get sorted out and brought back to life
00:43.03tmztali1234: ?
00:43.10ali1234you want the moon on a stick
00:43.28tmztsure
00:43.37ali1234http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERDUbAv8Qz0
00:43.41tmztbut I think all of this can be done
00:44.00tmztand android,even with ndk, won't support all of that
00:44.04ali1234tmzt: it can. just install ubuntu-arm
00:44.07tmztwebos comes close though
00:44.25tmztit's armv7 unfortunately
00:44.44tmztand I need something that fits 3" vga screen
00:44.46Untouchab1eoh well, I better get to bed..
00:44.48tmzt2.8 whatever
00:45.29Untouchab1eLancaster is coming with Android and 2.8" ;P
00:45.38Untouchab1enot VGA resolution though supposedly
00:46.04Untouchab1eGood night all
00:46.08tmztinteresting
00:46.12tmztsnapdragon?
00:46.15tmzttegra?
00:46.20Untouchab1eDetails unknown
00:46.36Untouchab1egot a leaked spec sheet though
00:46.37Untouchab1ehttp://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=177:thoughts-the-mysterious-lancaster&catid=36:technology&Itemid=67
00:46.51tmztok
00:46.53Untouchab1eIm hoping it will be better than it looks though
00:47.12Untouchab1eat least the chipset and  cpu is detailed
00:47.13Untouchab1egood night :)
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08:16.41tmztnathan7: for anything in particular?
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08:42.59nathan7tmzt: Yeah, that my PDA will boot on Cyprus
08:43.20nathan7tmzt: Battery is dead atm, so I can't test
08:43.22tmzthey
08:43.22tmztboot?
08:43.34tmztthey have gsm?
08:43.40nathan7Hmm
08:43.47nathan7I dun use it as phone anyways
08:44.07nathan7I just want something with vim and a python interpreter with me
08:44.25tmztthen why is where you are important
08:44.27tmztyeah
08:44.36tmztwhat do you use?
08:44.40nathan7uhh
08:44.47nathan7I quickly Dled ph5's image
08:44.52tmztwhat device
08:45.00nathan7Magician.
08:45.12nathan7munches a garden GNOME
08:45.33nathan7What is this madness? D=
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08:45.36tmztah, ok
08:45.43tmztit has good upstream support
08:45.46nathan7I can mount my damn SD card MYSELF, dammit
08:45.53nathan7attacks a GNOME developer
08:45.57nathan7tmzt: =)
08:46.10nathan7tmzt: I used to run my own image, but it got lost D=
08:46.12tmztgnome?
08:46.18tmztI mean magician
08:46.27nathan7Hmm
08:46.27nathan7I know
08:46.47nathan7GNOME is mounting my SD card without asking
08:47.02nathan7Stupid netbooks.
08:47.13nathan7I can't even run KDE4 for netbooks D=
08:47.40nathan7wtfs
08:47.48tmztwhy not?
08:48.00nathan7Lack of RAM
08:48.12tmztkillall gnome-volume-manager
08:48.12nathan7512M isn't enough D=
08:48.15nathan7Hmm
08:48.17tmztah
08:48.29nathan7gnome-volume-manager: no process found
08:48.40nathan7gnome-keyring-daemon   gnome-power-manager    gnome-session
08:48.46nathan7gnome-panel            gnome-screensaver      gnome-settings-daemon
08:48.53nathan7Are all the gnomes I have
08:49.04nathan7'cept the garden gnome, he's outside
08:49.29tmztah, well I donqt know
08:49.37nathan7D=
08:49.39tmztI think it's part of nautilus now
08:49.42nathan7My pda has gnomeyness
08:49.49nathan7Whatever.
08:50.14nathan7Angstrom-distribution.org is slooow
08:50.24nathan7I just want one damn ipk D=
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08:51.38tuxherotmzt: do you know when cr2 will be back???
08:52.06tmztno
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08:52.22tmztback in de in two weeks I think
08:52.29nearsthi all
08:53.09tmzthello
08:53.29tuxherotmzt: I try all the ways to restart ARM9 it's not starting again because it's unable to load Radio ROM
08:53.40tmztoh
08:53.43tmztreally?
08:54.21tmztyou can restart arm9 without rebooting the phone?
08:54.45tmztso you probably need to write a loader
08:54.58tmztdisable ram mpu
08:55.02tmztload amss
08:55.09tuxheroyes 0x22 in proc_comm_wince does it
08:55.10nearstwhat amss
08:55.26tuxheroya but we need to keep amss at 0x0 mem loc
08:55.33tmztbut you would have to find how to keep it in reset until done loading
08:56.00tuxherofirst we need to keep amss there and then send 0x22 dex command
08:57.08tuxheroapart from the idea of restarting i try other ways too i think it's not the problem of wince leaving amss with out any notify
08:57.45tmzt?
08:57.55tmztyou mean the callbacks?
08:58.06tuxheroyes
08:58.26tmztok
08:58.37tmztwhat do you think the problem is?
08:58.49tuxheroif we send module disable command it's accepting it and give response too
08:59.24tuxheroi thin there is a problem with params which we are sending for module enable
08:59.31tmztmodules disable?
08:59.52tuxheroya i try disable module and wait for 5 second and enable it again
09:01.57tuxheroenum rpc_snd_method_type {
09:01.58tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_VOICE = 0,
09:01.58tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_KEY_BEEP,
09:01.58tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_MESSAGE,
09:01.58tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_RING,
09:01.59tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_MIDI,
09:02.00tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_AUX,
09:02.02tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_MAX,
09:02.04tuxhero};
09:02.15tuxherothis is wrong correct is
09:02.32tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_VOICE = 0,
09:02.32tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_KEY_BEEP = 1,
09:02.33tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_MESSAGE = 1,
09:02.33tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_RING = 1,
09:02.33tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_MIDI = 1,
09:02.33tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_AUX = 1,
09:02.35tuxheroRPC_SND_METHOD_MAX,
09:03.11tuxheroin wince except VOICE and MAX there is not other method only 1 for all
09:04.27tuxheroi think msg.args.cb_func = cpu_to_be32(0x11111111);  this is the actual problem of adsp
09:04.52tuxheroin wince it send pointer address as cb_func
09:05.40tmztwhy would they do a enum like that?
09:05.51tmztpointer?
09:05.56tmzton which end?
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09:09.29tuxherowince adsp don't have code for different snd method so they implemented it in client but they keep 1 for all so amss don't feel any difference :)
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09:09.48tmztah
09:10.00tmztyeah, this is featurephone stuff
09:10.19tuxheropointer to a function on arm11 to handler responses
09:10.25tmztok
09:10.35tmztso we need to handle that and find a handler
09:10.49tuxheroya
09:11.09tuxherocr2 give me some values bit they are not working
09:11.21tuxherowe need to find correct values for thet
09:13.26tuxheromost of the adsp code in kernel is correct but windows developers are very different from linux developers :) so we need find correct values
09:14.26tuxherowindows dev's start counting from 1 Linux dev's always start counting from 0 :)
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09:48.27tmzt25,34,
09:48.27tmzt[#htc-linux]
09:49.10tmztmarc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124721589215243&w=2
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10:04.01tuxherotmzt: marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124721589215243&w=2 what is this link??????
10:10.01Captnoordre
10:10.18tuxherotmzt: we already have rpc routers code in mach-msm then why now they add another in staging???????????
10:11.29tmztoh, really?
10:11.38tmztthis might be newer
10:17.38tuxheroi think this patch is for linux kernel from kernel.org
10:18.15tmztright
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10:20.26tuxherotmzt: i have updated few proc_comm_wince commands and some audio fixes how to commit them to htc-msm git
10:20.51tmztI don't know
10:21.01tmztif you have patches you could give them to dcordes
10:21.15tmztwe really need a branch for this stuff though
10:21.45tmztmickeyl said the last set of patches broke things
10:22.16tuxherogps related???
10:22.44tmztsomething like that
10:23.19tmztmostly that the defconfig gets overwritten
10:23.23tmztgot
10:23.33tmztand netfilter disabled
10:25.49tuxherois gps working now with the patchs?
10:27.25tmztso we need a branch and review process
10:27.25tmztdon't know
10:33.27tuxherothen let's setup :)
10:33.59tmztI don't have git access
10:34.18tmztmaybe if we all actually read/used the mailing list
10:34.18tuxheroi have a server we will setup git repos in it
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10:35.45tuxheroi have setup git server but changing origin and pushing it is not working for me i need some help with that
10:37.12tmztedit .git/config
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10:58.20tuxherocan any one with try to clone this git and check it's working fine or not git clone git://androidkernel.org/kernel/msm.git
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11:01.41tmzttuxhero: can't right now
11:01.58tmztthat's just your added patches?
11:02.17tuxherotmzt: same here i am in office i can't  check it
11:02.41tuxherono it's fresh android kernel just setup
11:03.00tuxheroi am setting up htc-msm git too
11:04.26tmzt2.6.29?
11:17.27tuxheroyes
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11:17.48Aivhello
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11:53.53swc|666tuxhero, its cloning for me
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12:23.43tuxheroswc|666: thankyou
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13:26.19AstainZZZZZZdamn cr2's not around
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14:41.49AstainHellbringhow would I use haret to monitor gpios?
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15:11.35AivAstainHellbring look to haret documentatio
15:11.40Aivconnect to phone via haretconsole
15:11.58Aivand run "watch gpios X" where X is time period
15:12.14Aivif u found some flooding gpios (ex: sync)
15:12.35Aivu can exclude them by "ibit gpios X" where is X number from brackets
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16:35.47AstainHellbringAiv is there a way to only watch certian gpios?
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20:25.20AivAstainHellbring i dont know, maybe ignore all except one ?
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