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00:16.23 | Untouchab1e | Hi all |
00:16.39 | tmzt | hello |
00:16.52 | Untouchab1e | hey tmzt, how's it going? |
00:16.58 | tmzt | ok |
00:17.03 | Untouchab1e | good, good |
00:17.49 | Untouchab1e | I am still frustrated |
00:18.09 | Untouchab1e | at HTC for treating their Android devices as toys while their WinMo devices gets the better treatment |
00:18.43 | tmzt | what do you mean? |
00:18.58 | tmzt | windows mobile is seen as more professional |
00:19.10 | Untouchab1e | Yeah, but that doesnt mean that Android phones have to look like crap |
00:19.20 | Untouchab1e | they are still just as expensive.. almost |
00:19.39 | Untouchab1e | I mean look at HTC's devices from the last 2 years.. You have the diamond, touch pro.. touch pro 2.. Touch HD.. they are all stunning work of engineering.. |
00:19.39 | tmzt | the design seems to be carrier driven |
00:19.49 | tmzt | g1 looked like a hiptop |
00:19.52 | tmzt | sidekick |
00:19.56 | Untouchab1e | well, I am talking about stock devices.. not carrier dependant ones.. |
00:20.05 | Untouchab1e | (thats a US phenomenon basically :P) |
00:20.27 | tmzt | yes, but somebody had to sign on for htc to make an android device |
00:20.31 | Untouchab1e | anyhow.. the first Android device.. the Dream.. (I got the ADP1).. I still cant believe the same engineers worked on this |
00:20.49 | tmzt | why exactly? |
00:22.06 | Untouchab1e | Because Dream has so many technical design flaws not to mention the fact that it looks awfull and the build quality is even worse.. It is also very different in many aspects and doesnt feel at all like an HTC device (only exception is the extUSB port) |
00:22.37 | tmzt | the hinge? |
00:23.20 | Untouchab1e | Well.. the keyboard sliding mechanism is totally unlike anything HTC has made.. Its loose fitted, its all plastic and its not stable.. |
00:23.46 | Untouchab1e | The memory card slot cover is poor to say the least.. |
00:24.48 | Untouchab1e | I now look at the Touch Pro 2 and look how amazing it is except for that fact that it runs Windows Mobile and as of such also has a resistive touch screen |
00:25.03 | Untouchab1e | It just seems I cant get both a great OS and a great piece of hardware |
00:25.27 | Untouchab1e | or, it doesnt just seem like it.. thats a fact |
00:25.42 | Untouchab1e | Even HTC Hero isnt nearly as refined as their WinMo devices |
00:25.47 | ali1234 | you can barely get one of those things |
00:25.50 | Untouchab1e | lol |
00:25.57 | Untouchab1e | I disagree, but oh well |
00:26.15 | Untouchab1e | Touch Pro 2 is for me the ultimate device (if it had a capacitive screen that is) |
00:26.21 | Untouchab1e | and Android is the ultimate OS for me |
00:26.23 | tmzt | didn't just agress with you? |
00:26.31 | Untouchab1e | ? |
00:26.32 | tmzt | why android? |
00:26.46 | tmzt | didn't hejust agree with you? |
00:26.54 | ali1234 | no, i was saying android sucks |
00:27.04 | ali1234 | also most of the windows mobile hardware sucks too |
00:27.17 | tmzt | that you can't perfect hardware with same os |
00:27.17 | tmzt | ah |
00:27.27 | Untouchab1e | How can you say that Android sucks? and how can you say the Touch Pro 2 sucks? lol |
00:27.30 | ali1234 | basically all smartphones are rubbish :) |
00:27.33 | Untouchab1e | lol |
00:27.40 | Untouchab1e | what on earth are you doing here then? :S |
00:27.59 | ali1234 | trying to do something about it |
00:28.07 | Untouchab1e | lol |
00:28.16 | tmzt | on the software side? |
00:28.25 | ali1234 | right :) |
00:28.40 | tmzt | I'm think about working ona widget engine supporting both linux and ce |
00:29.01 | Untouchab1e | tmzt have you given Android a full go? Like on a Android device? |
00:29.12 | tmzt | no |
00:29.13 | tmzt | I don't have one |
00:29.17 | ali1234 | all i want is a ssh tablet |
00:29.20 | tmzt | but I would get bored with it |
00:29.30 | Untouchab1e | Hah, I doubt it ^^ |
00:29.56 | Untouchab1e | The iPhone you get bored with (after 2 minutes).. but Android is just that.. its everything the iPhone is not |
00:30.43 | tmzt | why exactly? |
00:30.47 | ali1234 | does that include "unpopular"? |
00:30.54 | Untouchab1e | lol |
00:31.08 | tmzt | I get bored with an environment when I've seen every scfeen basically |
00:31.12 | Untouchab1e | Because while iPhone is not a smartphone even though its marketed as one |
00:31.35 | tmzt | I want to know why I wouldn't get bored with android? |
00:31.42 | ali1234 | oh look! contact list! hmm... bored |
00:32.03 | tmzt | no, it's marketed as a phone |
00:32.20 | tmzt | if you want to discuss this, joid #xda-dev |
00:32.24 | Untouchab1e | Heh.. because Android brings whats good about Windows Mobile (Functionality, customizisation, great hacking comunity over at XDA) with the looks and up-to-date touch screen interface that the iPhone OS or WebOS has |
00:32.48 | tmzt | I want to be able to make changes while using the device |
00:32.55 | Untouchab1e | What kind of changes? |
00:33.17 | tmzt | the wm approach is spend hours cooking something and five minutes playing with it |
00:33.28 | tmzt | any |
00:33.31 | Untouchab1e | You can easily do the same with Android |
00:33.33 | tmzt | that's the point |
00:34.01 | tmzt | I can edit the java code and build apks on the device? |
00:34.36 | Untouchab1e | Well, actually.. I am very sure you do the first one (Il give you the link) but I can only say "probably" to the second one |
00:35.15 | tmzt | sure android has a "touch interface" but I want a keyboard interface |
00:35.26 | Untouchab1e | then get the ADP1 then :P |
00:35.32 | Untouchab1e | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/06/09/google-brings-android-programming-to-your-phone-with-ase/ |
00:35.34 | Untouchab1e | this what you wanted? |
00:35.44 | tmzt | ase? |
00:35.56 | Untouchab1e | yeah |
00:36.06 | tmzt | I don't like the android api much, j2se is simple enough |
00:36.19 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
00:36.21 | tmzt | what is ase? |
00:36.35 | ali1234 | lua bindings on the android api, by the looks of it |
00:36.37 | tmzt | oh, ok |
00:36.39 | ali1234 | and a simple text editor |
00:36.40 | Untouchab1e | Android Scripting Environment |
00:36.45 | tmzt | I see |
00:37.04 | Untouchab1e | pretty neat to be honest |
00:37.05 | ali1234 | give me a self hosted C compiler please, then we'll talk |
00:37.06 | tmzt | has anybody written a good google reader client for android yet? |
00:37.13 | tmzt | I've been waiting a year |
00:37.41 | Untouchab1e | not sure.. I have to write 11 lines of terminal code each time I want access to priced apps on the market :P |
00:38.09 | Untouchab1e | But now that widgets are all over the market I am pretty sure there are a few |
00:41.13 | tmzt | full podcast support without a background (graphical) app |
00:41.30 | tmzt | tomboy like notes environment |
00:41.39 | tmzt | syncing to private server |
00:41.51 | tmzt | telepathy/tubes |
00:42.00 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
00:42.05 | tmzt | abiword engine |
00:42.14 | tmzt | native web page tabs |
00:42.52 | tmzt | I laid most this out in #linwizard last year |
00:42.54 | ali1234 | mooooooon on a stiiiiiiiiick |
00:42.56 | Untouchab1e | Any way I look at it, Android is the best mobile OS out there.. As long as Windows Mobile doesnt get sorted out and brought back to life |
00:43.03 | tmzt | ali1234: ? |
00:43.10 | ali1234 | you want the moon on a stick |
00:43.28 | tmzt | sure |
00:43.37 | ali1234 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERDUbAv8Qz0 |
00:43.41 | tmzt | but I think all of this can be done |
00:44.00 | tmzt | and android,even with ndk, won't support all of that |
00:44.04 | ali1234 | tmzt: it can. just install ubuntu-arm |
00:44.07 | tmzt | webos comes close though |
00:44.25 | tmzt | it's armv7 unfortunately |
00:44.44 | tmzt | and I need something that fits 3" vga screen |
00:44.46 | Untouchab1e | oh well, I better get to bed.. |
00:44.48 | tmzt | 2.8 whatever |
00:45.29 | Untouchab1e | Lancaster is coming with Android and 2.8" ;P |
00:45.38 | Untouchab1e | not VGA resolution though supposedly |
00:46.04 | Untouchab1e | Good night all |
00:46.08 | tmzt | interesting |
00:46.12 | tmzt | snapdragon? |
00:46.15 | tmzt | tegra? |
00:46.20 | Untouchab1e | Details unknown |
00:46.36 | Untouchab1e | got a leaked spec sheet though |
00:46.37 | Untouchab1e | http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=177:thoughts-the-mysterious-lancaster&catid=36:technology&Itemid=67 |
00:46.51 | tmzt | ok |
00:46.53 | Untouchab1e | Im hoping it will be better than it looks though |
00:47.12 | Untouchab1e | at least the chipset and cpu is detailed |
00:47.13 | Untouchab1e | good night :) |
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08:13.15 | nathan7 | prays |
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08:16.41 | tmzt | nathan7: for anything in particular? |
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08:42.59 | nathan7 | tmzt: Yeah, that my PDA will boot on Cyprus |
08:43.20 | nathan7 | tmzt: Battery is dead atm, so I can't test |
08:43.22 | tmzt | hey |
08:43.22 | tmzt | boot? |
08:43.34 | tmzt | they have gsm? |
08:43.40 | nathan7 | Hmm |
08:43.47 | nathan7 | I dun use it as phone anyways |
08:44.07 | nathan7 | I just want something with vim and a python interpreter with me |
08:44.25 | tmzt | then why is where you are important |
08:44.27 | tmzt | yeah |
08:44.36 | tmzt | what do you use? |
08:44.40 | nathan7 | uhh |
08:44.47 | nathan7 | I quickly Dled ph5's image |
08:44.52 | tmzt | what device |
08:45.00 | nathan7 | Magician. |
08:45.12 | nathan7 | munches a garden GNOME |
08:45.33 | nathan7 | What is this madness? D= |
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08:45.36 | tmzt | ah, ok |
08:45.43 | tmzt | it has good upstream support |
08:45.46 | nathan7 | I can mount my damn SD card MYSELF, dammit |
08:45.53 | nathan7 | attacks a GNOME developer |
08:45.57 | nathan7 | tmzt: =) |
08:46.10 | nathan7 | tmzt: I used to run my own image, but it got lost D= |
08:46.12 | tmzt | gnome? |
08:46.18 | tmzt | I mean magician |
08:46.27 | nathan7 | Hmm |
08:46.27 | nathan7 | I know |
08:46.47 | nathan7 | GNOME is mounting my SD card without asking |
08:47.02 | nathan7 | Stupid netbooks. |
08:47.13 | nathan7 | I can't even run KDE4 for netbooks D= |
08:47.40 | nathan7 | wtfs |
08:47.48 | tmzt | why not? |
08:48.00 | nathan7 | Lack of RAM |
08:48.12 | tmzt | killall gnome-volume-manager |
08:48.12 | nathan7 | 512M isn't enough D= |
08:48.15 | nathan7 | Hmm |
08:48.17 | tmzt | ah |
08:48.29 | nathan7 | gnome-volume-manager: no process found |
08:48.40 | nathan7 | gnome-keyring-daemon gnome-power-manager gnome-session |
08:48.46 | nathan7 | gnome-panel gnome-screensaver gnome-settings-daemon |
08:48.53 | nathan7 | Are all the gnomes I have |
08:49.04 | nathan7 | 'cept the garden gnome, he's outside |
08:49.29 | tmzt | ah, well I donqt know |
08:49.37 | nathan7 | D= |
08:49.39 | tmzt | I think it's part of nautilus now |
08:49.42 | nathan7 | My pda has gnomeyness |
08:49.49 | nathan7 | Whatever. |
08:50.14 | nathan7 | Angstrom-distribution.org is slooow |
08:50.24 | nathan7 | I just want one damn ipk D= |
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08:51.38 | tuxhero | tmzt: do you know when cr2 will be back??? |
08:52.06 | tmzt | no |
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08:52.22 | tmzt | back in de in two weeks I think |
08:52.29 | nearst | hi all |
08:53.09 | tmzt | hello |
08:53.29 | tuxhero | tmzt: I try all the ways to restart ARM9 it's not starting again because it's unable to load Radio ROM |
08:53.40 | tmzt | oh |
08:53.43 | tmzt | really? |
08:54.21 | tmzt | you can restart arm9 without rebooting the phone? |
08:54.45 | tmzt | so you probably need to write a loader |
08:54.58 | tmzt | disable ram mpu |
08:55.02 | tmzt | load amss |
08:55.09 | tuxhero | yes 0x22 in proc_comm_wince does it |
08:55.10 | nearst | what amss |
08:55.26 | tuxhero | ya but we need to keep amss at 0x0 mem loc |
08:55.33 | tmzt | but you would have to find how to keep it in reset until done loading |
08:56.00 | tuxhero | first we need to keep amss there and then send 0x22 dex command |
08:57.08 | tuxhero | apart from the idea of restarting i try other ways too i think it's not the problem of wince leaving amss with out any notify |
08:57.45 | tmzt | ? |
08:57.55 | tmzt | you mean the callbacks? |
08:58.06 | tuxhero | yes |
08:58.26 | tmzt | ok |
08:58.37 | tmzt | what do you think the problem is? |
08:58.49 | tuxhero | if we send module disable command it's accepting it and give response too |
08:59.24 | tuxhero | i thin there is a problem with params which we are sending for module enable |
08:59.31 | tmzt | modules disable? |
08:59.52 | tuxhero | ya i try disable module and wait for 5 second and enable it again |
09:01.57 | tuxhero | enum rpc_snd_method_type { |
09:01.58 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_VOICE = 0, |
09:01.58 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_KEY_BEEP, |
09:01.58 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_MESSAGE, |
09:01.58 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_RING, |
09:01.59 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_MIDI, |
09:02.00 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_AUX, |
09:02.02 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_MAX, |
09:02.04 | tuxhero | }; |
09:02.15 | tuxhero | this is wrong correct is |
09:02.32 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_VOICE = 0, |
09:02.32 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_KEY_BEEP = 1, |
09:02.33 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_MESSAGE = 1, |
09:02.33 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_RING = 1, |
09:02.33 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_MIDI = 1, |
09:02.33 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_AUX = 1, |
09:02.35 | tuxhero | RPC_SND_METHOD_MAX, |
09:03.11 | tuxhero | in wince except VOICE and MAX there is not other method only 1 for all |
09:04.27 | tuxhero | i think msg.args.cb_func = cpu_to_be32(0x11111111); this is the actual problem of adsp |
09:04.52 | tuxhero | in wince it send pointer address as cb_func |
09:05.40 | tmzt | why would they do a enum like that? |
09:05.51 | tmzt | pointer? |
09:05.56 | tmzt | on which end? |
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09:09.29 | tuxhero | wince adsp don't have code for different snd method so they implemented it in client but they keep 1 for all so amss don't feel any difference :) |
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09:09.48 | tmzt | ah |
09:10.00 | tmzt | yeah, this is featurephone stuff |
09:10.19 | tuxhero | pointer to a function on arm11 to handler responses |
09:10.25 | tmzt | ok |
09:10.35 | tmzt | so we need to handle that and find a handler |
09:10.49 | tuxhero | ya |
09:11.09 | tuxhero | cr2 give me some values bit they are not working |
09:11.21 | tuxhero | we need to find correct values for thet |
09:13.26 | tuxhero | most of the adsp code in kernel is correct but windows developers are very different from linux developers :) so we need find correct values |
09:14.26 | tuxhero | windows dev's start counting from 1 Linux dev's always start counting from 0 :) |
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09:48.27 | tmzt | 25,34, |
09:48.27 | tmzt | [#htc-linux] |
09:49.10 | tmzt | marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124721589215243&w=2 |
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10:04.01 | tuxhero | tmzt: marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124721589215243&w=2 what is this link?????? |
10:10.01 | Captnoord | re |
10:10.18 | tuxhero | tmzt: we already have rpc routers code in mach-msm then why now they add another in staging??????????? |
10:11.29 | tmzt | oh, really? |
10:11.38 | tmzt | this might be newer |
10:17.38 | tuxhero | i think this patch is for linux kernel from kernel.org |
10:18.15 | tmzt | right |
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10:20.26 | tuxhero | tmzt: i have updated few proc_comm_wince commands and some audio fixes how to commit them to htc-msm git |
10:20.51 | tmzt | I don't know |
10:21.01 | tmzt | if you have patches you could give them to dcordes |
10:21.15 | tmzt | we really need a branch for this stuff though |
10:21.45 | tmzt | mickeyl said the last set of patches broke things |
10:22.16 | tuxhero | gps related??? |
10:22.44 | tmzt | something like that |
10:23.19 | tmzt | mostly that the defconfig gets overwritten |
10:23.23 | tmzt | got |
10:23.33 | tmzt | and netfilter disabled |
10:25.49 | tuxhero | is gps working now with the patchs? |
10:27.25 | tmzt | so we need a branch and review process |
10:27.25 | tmzt | don't know |
10:33.27 | tuxhero | then let's setup :) |
10:33.59 | tmzt | I don't have git access |
10:34.18 | tmzt | maybe if we all actually read/used the mailing list |
10:34.18 | tuxhero | i have a server we will setup git repos in it |
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10:35.45 | tuxhero | i have setup git server but changing origin and pushing it is not working for me i need some help with that |
10:37.12 | tmzt | edit .git/config |
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10:58.20 | tuxhero | can any one with try to clone this git and check it's working fine or not git clone git://androidkernel.org/kernel/msm.git |
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11:01.41 | tmzt | tuxhero: can't right now |
11:01.58 | tmzt | that's just your added patches? |
11:02.17 | tuxhero | tmzt: same here i am in office i can't check it |
11:02.41 | tuxhero | no it's fresh android kernel just setup |
11:03.00 | tuxhero | i am setting up htc-msm git too |
11:04.26 | tmzt | 2.6.29? |
11:17.27 | tuxhero | yes |
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11:53.53 | swc|666 | tuxhero, its cloning for me |
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12:23.43 | tuxhero | swc|666: thankyou |
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13:26.19 | AstainZZZZZZ | damn cr2's not around |
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14:41.49 | AstainHellbring | how would I use haret to monitor gpios? |
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15:11.35 | Aiv | AstainHellbring look to haret documentatio |
15:11.40 | Aiv | connect to phone via haretconsole |
15:11.58 | Aiv | and run "watch gpios X" where X is time period |
15:12.14 | Aiv | if u found some flooding gpios (ex: sync) |
15:12.35 | Aiv | u can exclude them by "ibit gpios X" where is X number from brackets |
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16:35.47 | AstainHellbring | Aiv is there a way to only watch certian gpios? |
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20:25.20 | Aiv | AstainHellbring i dont know, maybe ignore all except one ? |
20:26.37 | Captnoord | re |
20:39.45 | Aiv | re |
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