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| 01:44.12 | tmzt | cmonex: if the fat partition is corrupt or is not TFAT at all, will that result in hard reset? |
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| 03:52.56 | par | kewl |
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| 08:51.31 | infidel206 | yo tmzt |
| 08:51.55 | infidel206 | tmzt, your on vn network right? |
| 08:52.25 | infidel206 | s/vn/vz* |
| 08:52.35 | infidel206 | ++ |
| 09:11.18 | par | hi infidel206, whats up |
| 09:12.12 | par | are you running wm6.5 on the windows side of your ba |
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| 10:42.43 | Squarc | Hi everyone |
| 10:43.59 | Squarc | I have a HTC Touch Diamond running the default ROM (dutch) |
| 10:44.08 | Squarc | and it has always been slow... |
| 10:44.37 | Squarc | but the things that are going on rigt no are quite unaccaptable, contact get deleted without any notice or error.. |
| 10:45.17 | Squarc | the device has never blacked out or got some kind of "blue screen" for WM... but still, contact get deleted every day.. |
| 10:46.02 | Squarc | so I wanna change to a linux OS, (I have basic linux commandline knowledge and I've been using linux (kubuntu) for over 5 months now on my laptop and desktop) |
| 10:46.15 | Squarc | is changing to android/linux recommended at this time ? |
| 10:48.39 | Squarc | and, do I then need to boot using HaReT? or can I boot linux nativly; direct from powerOn |
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| 10:53.53 | Squarc | btw, I'm trying with HaReT now, but if there is a way to run it nativly that would be much better ! |
| 10:58.31 | tsdogs | Squarc: don't think it's still usable as a daily phone. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux |
| 10:59.32 | tsdogs | Haret is needed afaik there hasn't been any effort to boot the device directly |
| 11:01.51 | Squarc | tsdogs: ok thx, but then, does windows mobile still run after I booted Linux with HaReT ? |
| 11:02.39 | tsdogs | yep, a soft reset will bring your phone as it was. |
| 11:02.43 | Squarc | what I mean is, HaRET is not a emulator, right ? but are the resources that wm uses still in use by wm when I booted using HaReT |
| 11:02.44 | Squarc | ok |
| 11:03.28 | Squarc | so switching back from HaReT isn't posible |
| 11:03.51 | tsdogs | haret loads the kernel into memory and runs it. linux filesystem is on the SD so windows is not touched |
| 11:04.00 | tsdogs | no. u need a reset |
| 11:04.14 | tsdogs | no data loss |
| 11:05.25 | tsdogs | when linux is booted windows is not there anymore |
| 11:06.12 | tsdogs | I mean in memory ;) |
| 11:06.24 | Squarc | ok :D |
| 11:07.00 | Squarc | whow |
| 11:09.04 | Squarc | great, I got a desktop view, but theres only a small blue box that I can move around |
| 11:09.38 | Squarc | "SIM card is locked" , " screen locked, press menu to unlock or place emergency call" ... hmm, seems the touch device isnt initialized properly.. |
| 11:10.32 | Squarc | well nvm, going to hack/mess around with the stuff |
| 11:10.41 | tsdogs | ok |
| 11:11.22 | Squarc | oh btw, I used a prebuild from Wuala: Linux and Android on HTC Diamond |
| 11:11.36 | Squarc | is that ok ? or should I really build myself? |
| 11:14.55 | tsdogs | it depends. but it should be ok as a start. |
| 11:15.39 | tsdogs | probably building from the git repo would give u latest changes (if there were any), but it could also not work ;D |
| 11:15.55 | Squarc | well, I can only move around this small blue box.. which leaves a red box as trace on each frame update (fps)... like an windows app that doesnt respond anymore... |
| 11:15.59 | tsdogs | haven't got a diamond so I'm not really of help here |
| 11:16.21 | Squarc | and its only in the left side of the screen, cant move out of it.. |
| 11:16.22 | Squarc | ok |
| 11:16.30 | Squarc | well thx anyway, I'm going to do manual build :) |
| 11:17.15 | tsdogs | really no idea, probably something isn't working as expected. You could try connecting with the usb and doing some diagnose with ssh ... |
| 11:17.52 | tsdogs | or try with another kernel/android image combination |
| 11:18.15 | Squarc | ok :) |
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| 11:21.31 | par | hi pH5 |
| 11:23.56 | pH5 | hi par |
| 11:24.05 | tsdogs | Squarc: btw, it's best to remove SIM lock when doing experiments :) |
| 11:24.42 | Squarc | tsdogs: yeah well, I thought I had SIM lock free phone,, since the phone was bought without a SIM.. |
| 11:26.42 | Squarc | so actually, I dont trust that message...... but, could it hurt in any way IF i have a SIMlock, could that somehow dissable/destruct (cant find the appropriate word for it) my phone |
| 11:26.59 | Squarc | ? |
| 11:29.18 | tsdogs | Squarc: no I meant to remove the PIN request on the sim. |
| 11:31.07 | Squarc | ohh ok, that one |
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| 11:31.31 | Squarc | so ehm, it could hurt if I dont remove it? or would android just not work if theres a PIN on it ? |
| 11:42.02 | tsdogs | Squarc: no idea, but if something goes wrong it could lock the sim. At least I do it to prevent problems. (there's always the PUK) |
| 11:47.16 | Squarc | ok |
| 11:48.44 | Squarc | and the reason for functionality not working is wrong hardware route's / drivers ? |
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| 12:00.24 | tsdogs | Squarc: no idea. but mostly yes. |
| 12:08.07 | Squarc | ok |
| 12:13.12 | Squarc | well, like I said, I'm building for the Diamond (not pro) with the latest sources I can find |
| 12:13.46 | Squarc | its just too bad codesourcery is offline |
| 12:21.17 | par | i just downloaded a toolchain from there like a couple hours ago |
| 12:22.13 | Squarc | ok |
| 12:22.29 | Squarc | well, the underlying folder index is still in google cache |
| 12:22.35 | Squarc | pings route to mail.codesourcery.com |
| 12:22.43 | Squarc | but http is offline.. |
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| 12:29.13 | mickeyl | morning |
| 12:29.27 | Squarc | morning :) |
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| 12:45.43 | tsdogs | Squarc: I'm using this one: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ |
| 12:45.53 | tsdogs | scroll down the page and get "Toolchain for Openmoko Neo 1973 and Freerunner Popular" |
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| 12:46.24 | Squarc | ok :) |
| 12:46.40 | Squarc | thx :D |
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| 13:02.25 | Squarc | tsdog: so I should use "arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi-" instead of "arm-none-linux-gnuabi-" ?? |
| 13:03.05 | Squarc | I mean the CROSS_COMPILE parameter |
| 13:03.14 | Squarc | for make zImage |
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| 13:10.39 | tsdogs | Squarc: yes |
| 13:10.55 | Squarc | ok |
| 13:12.05 | Squarc | "make htcdiamond_defconfig ARCH=arm" fails because ./arch/arm/configs/htcdiamond_defconfig doesnt exist :s |
| 13:12.22 | Squarc | and niether does htcraphael_defconfig in ./arch/arm/configs |
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| 13:16.20 | mickeyl | try another one |
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| 13:16.25 | mickeyl | they're pretty similar anyways |
| 13:16.30 | Squarc | ok |
| 13:16.36 | mickeyl | raphael for instance |
| 13:16.42 | mickeyl | we have two configs there |
| 13:16.46 | Squarc | well, like I said, that one isnt in htere either |
| 13:16.47 | mickeyl | one for android/linux, one for gnu/linux |
| 13:17.08 | Squarc | well, I'm going to use it with linux.. |
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| 13:17.17 | mickeyl | good, then use htcraphael_defconfig |
| 13:17.19 | Squarc | I'm pretty sure I synced the whole repos |
| 13:17.33 | mickeyl | are you on msm-htc2.6.27? |
| 13:17.39 | mickeyl | that's the branch to use for now |
| 13:17.59 | Squarc | "/kernel/arch/arm/htcraphael_defconfig" doesnt exist |
| 13:18.04 | Squarc | I'll check that |
| 13:18.51 | stefan_schmidt | Should it not be kernel/arch/arm/configs/... |
| 13:19.01 | Squarc | I used "git checkout -b htc-msm-2.6.25 orgin/htc-msm-2.6.25" in the folder "kernel" |
| 13:19.16 | Squarc | yeah, I forgot the configs folder, but that is in the build (make) error |
| 13:19.35 | Squarc | I cant find the file either manually in any folder.. |
| 13:19.40 | Squarc | did I use the right branch ? |
| 13:19.43 | mickeyl | nope |
| 13:19.47 | mickeyl | 2.6.25 != 2.6.27 |
| 13:19.58 | Squarc | bammer |
| 13:20.02 | Squarc | allrighty then.. |
| 13:20.35 | Squarc | "git checkout -b htc-msm-2.6.27 orgin/htc-msm-2.6.27" in the folder "kernel" should do the trick ? |
| 13:21.39 | mickeyl | probably |
| 13:21.46 | mickeyl | always using two commands |
| 13:21.59 | mickeyl | git branch --track <local> <remote>; git checkout <local> |
| 13:22.04 | mickeyl | but your's might work as well |
| 13:22.26 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: -b checks out into a local branch. That's fine. Using the same here all the time. |
| 13:22.35 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: It also keeps track. |
| 13:23.14 | Squarc | ok |
| 13:23.22 | Squarc | cloning kernel.git |
| 13:27.20 | Squarc | I think I found the problm wih the prebuild I downloaded |
| 13:27.36 | Squarc | it sems msmts_calib values are wrong |
| 13:28.55 | Squarc | well, nvm, I'll continue manual build :) |
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| 13:31.05 | Squarc | and Haret sais: Found machine Generic MSM7xxA |
| 13:31.13 | Squarc | which seems odd |
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| 13:59.28 | Squarc|afk | I was just wondering, If this htc-linux (which is only for android??) fully works, is it posible to flash the ROM of a device using this project? or will it always be HaReT ? |
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| 17:08.54 | Squarc|afk | Hi there |
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| 17:47.56 | Squarc | Hey |
| 17:47.56 | Squarc | Do I have to mount the internal SD storage manually ? |
| 17:47.56 | Squarc | or should it be mounted by defaul ? |
| 18:36.26 | tmzt | Squarc: diamond? do you mean in android or somethung else? |
| 18:38.24 | tmzt | Squarc: it's not only for android, it doesn't fully work and flashing is something we are currently |
| 18:38.35 | tmzt | working on |
| 18:44.02 | Squarc | tmzt: ok :) |
| 18:44.50 | Squarc | tmzt: well I'll keep following this project :) I dont have enough knowledge to activly help developping, but I would like to help with testing and debugging |
| 18:50.01 | tmzt | +20 |
| 18:50.03 | tmzt | +20 |
| 18:51.27 | tmzt | Squarc: good, we don't have anyone with diam right now |
| 18:51.52 | tmzt | the major feature we need for phone is audio rpc |
| 18:52.30 | tmzt | we think we have a way to boot linux from power on now |
| 18:55.05 | Squarc | ok :) |
| 18:55.12 | Squarc | well, I have some notices though |
| 18:55.31 | Squarc | I"m not planning to flash my diamond until the main features work.. |
| 18:55.45 | Squarc | I read that sound and buzzer don't work when someone calls |
| 18:56.24 | tmzt | right |
| 18:56.36 | Squarc | since functions like that are quite vital for my phone use, I dont think I'll be flashing it |
| 18:56.42 | tmzt | no sound on raph or diam yet |
| 18:56.52 | Squarc | I would like to keep testing using HaRET though.. until sound works. |
| 18:57.00 | tmzt | ok |
| 18:57.14 | tmzt | did the kernel build work? |
| 18:57.20 | Squarc | yes it did :) |
| 18:57.36 | tmzt | using android defcofig? |
| 18:57.39 | Squarc | yes |
| 18:57.47 | Squarc | htcraphael_android_defconfig |
| 18:58.04 | Squarc | since I couldn't find htcdiamond_android_defconfig or htcdiamond_defconfig |
| 18:58.23 | tmzt | what other linux than android are you interested in? |
| 18:58.44 | tmzt | yeah, raph and diam are very similar |
| 18:58.49 | Squarc | uhu |
| 18:58.50 | Squarc | ehm |
| 18:59.11 | Squarc | I have used debian, but more for server activitys |
| 18:59.20 | Squarc | and I use (K) ubuntu on my desktop and laptop |
| 18:59.44 | Squarc | though I use terminals a lot.. |
| 18:59.50 | tmzt | there is a debian build from hackndev |
| 19:00.09 | Squarc | ahh alright :) |
| 19:00.26 | tmzt | do you have usbnet working? |
| 19:00.29 | Squarc | well for my phone I think I'll stick to android testing |
| 19:00.32 | Squarc | didnt try yet |
| 19:01.24 | tmzt | with dzo's ril android should work for phone once audio works |
| 19:01.39 | tmzt | it works on vogue now |
| 19:01.51 | Squarc | dzo's ril ? |
| 19:02.18 | tmzt | dzo is the one who put android on vogue |
| 19:02.36 | tmzt | ril is the radio interface layer |
| 19:02.52 | Squarc | ok :D |
| 19:03.16 | Squarc | that last one I got, but I'm affraid I dont know what vogue is :s |
| 19:03.47 | Squarc | I'm from the netherlands you see, so it might happen that I am not fammiliar with words sometimes.. |
| 19:08.45 | tmzt | oh, vogue is another htc codename |
| 19:09.06 | Squarc | ahh right |
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| 19:09.20 | Squarc | sounds great :D |
| 19:09.39 | Squarc | well I was wondering one other thing |
| 19:09.40 | tmzt | don't speak nederlands, sorry |
| 19:10.06 | tmzt | ok |
| 19:10.39 | Squarc | huh, how you know "nederlands" then :P |
| 19:10.40 | Squarc | well nvm |
| 19:11.10 | Squarc | ehm, well, does flashing with linux and booting nativly/directly from powerOn create any speed acceleration ? |
| 19:11.34 | tmzt | not really |
| 19:11.38 | Squarc | since I notice small shocks and FPS underruns in android sometimes, when I booted it with HaTER |
| 19:11.39 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:11.49 | tmzt | other than faster to boot linux |
| 19:11.54 | Squarc | yeah |
| 19:12.07 | Squarc | well, HaTER must be a really piece of work.. |
| 19:12.12 | Squarc | booting a OS from a OS :p |
| 19:12.49 | tmzt | we aren't using the gpu as g1 does |
| 19:13.32 | Squarc | owh |
| 19:13.47 | Squarc | then what? software rendering or something ? |
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| 19:15.52 | tmzt | no, just using a different part of the graphics hardware, called mdp |
| 19:16.45 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:17.25 | Squarc | Is there anything you'd like me to test now? on the diam, that is ? |
| 19:17.34 | tmzt | not now |
| 19:17.38 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:17.46 | tmzt | probably qdsp5 soon |
| 19:17.48 | Squarc | well just give me a call ;) |
| 19:17.52 | Squarc | qdsp5 = ? |
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| 19:18.10 | tmzt | part of the sound code |
| 19:18.30 | Squarc | ahh allright |
| 19:18.36 | tmzt | once we know the rpc's and can test it |
| 19:18.37 | Squarc | I guess I need usbnet and ssh acces for that right ? |
| 19:19.05 | tmzt | we just need to confirm raph and diam are the same |
| 19:19.18 | tmzt | yes, that would be easiest |
| 19:19.20 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:19.40 | Squarc | well Ive never done anything like usbnet, but I think I'll manage it :) any quick hints where to start? |
| 19:19.46 | Squarc | so I'm not wondering around too much |
| 19:19.58 | tmzt | do you have linux pc? |
| 19:20.04 | Squarc | offcourse :) |
| 19:20.20 | Squarc | phone is actually connected right now :) |
| 19:20.24 | tmzt | the plug that in with usb when you boot |
| 19:20.35 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:20.40 | tmzt | ifconfig usb0 whatever |
| 19:20.51 | Squarc | on the PC right ? |
| 19:20.58 | tmzt | yes |
| 19:21.15 | tmzt | you need to know what ip your image uses |
| 19:21.21 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:21.30 | tmzt | the put pc on the subnet |
| 19:21.42 | tmzt | and telnet or ssh to that ip |
| 19:23.20 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:23.30 | Squarc | I'll try in a sec, since I've to get me some coffee |
| 19:24.47 | Squarc | ehm, I didn't find a site for this project, except for a forum with technical data, but shouldnt we create a nice website for this project? especially when all main features work a lot of diamond and raphael owners are goin to look for this I think.. |
| 19:24.57 | Squarc | and since I'm in webdevelopment & design a bit..... |
| 19:25.55 | tmzt | htc-linux.org |
| 19:26.04 | tmzt | talk to dcordes |
| 19:26.42 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:26.48 | Squarc | he's off now, but I'll keep it in mind |
| 19:28.04 | Squarc | I think the forumthread on XDA shows the animo for android/linux on the TC diam and raph products |
| 19:28.07 | Squarc | *HTC |
| 19:28.09 | Squarc | brb |
| 19:28.21 | tmzt | animo? |
| 19:45.23 | Squarc | owh, I thouhgt that was a english word also |
| 19:45.24 | Squarc | ehm |
| 19:46.00 | Squarc | rephrased: I think the forumthread on XDA shows how many people want android/linux on the TC diam and raph products |
| 19:47.58 | Squarc | well, anyway, on the diam the off button does not work at all, it doesnt rotate the display orientation like said on the wikipage RaphaelLinux @ wiki.xdadev |
| 19:48.12 | tmzt | no pm |
| 19:48.22 | Squarc | and neither does it turn of the screen (which would imho a better feature then display orientation) |
| 19:48.32 | tmzt | oh, motivation I guess |
| 19:49.06 | Squarc | well motivation is more that people want to do something for it.. |
| 19:49.44 | Squarc | animo (dutch) means like: much animo = a lot of people want to use it/want to do it |
| 19:50.18 | tmzt | no idea then |
| 19:50.21 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:50.25 | tmzt | interesting word |
| 19:50.49 | tmzt | I can only come up with popular support |
| 19:50.56 | Squarc | yeah, I cant translate it, I think its a word thats only used in here |
| 19:52.13 | Squarc | enthusiasm is what google comes up with,, however enthusiasm (eng) is translated as enthousiasme (dutch) |
| 19:52.24 | Squarc | well nvm :p I think you get what I mean about the forum thread |
| 19:52.38 | tmzt | yes |
| 19:52.52 | Squarc | about usbnet, I should plugg in the usb cable right when the white letters on black screen appear (linux booting) ? |
| 19:53.07 | Squarc | because when I do earlier the SD gets dismounted by WM |
| 19:53.10 | tmzt | we don't focus on android, more the kernel |
| 19:53.22 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:53.36 | tmzt | you should have haret and zImage on sd |
| 19:53.42 | tmzt | shouldn't |
| 19:53.45 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:53.49 | tmzt | just the .img's |
| 19:53.52 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:53.54 | tmzt | except initrd |
| 19:54.12 | tmzt | linux will find the sd fine |
| 19:55.45 | Squarc | ahh, works a lot better |
| 19:55.55 | Squarc | I guess that'll speed up the whole thing also |
| 19:56.17 | Squarc | well, I do have a prebuild android on it right now though |
| 19:56.24 | tmzt | ok |
| 19:56.32 | Squarc | should I use something else for testing ? |
| 19:56.33 | tmzt | that should work |
| 19:56.43 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:56.47 | tmzt | does it have a keyboard now? |
| 19:56.54 | tmzt | not the green one |
| 19:57.06 | Squarc | what do you mean ? |
| 19:57.23 | Squarc | well, actually right now, the android boot logo has frozen, so I'm going for a reset |
| 19:57.50 | tmzt | android keyboard |
| 19:58.02 | Squarc | but I do have a virtual keyboard on it when I thouch that blue square |
| 19:58.16 | Squarc | and I can move that keyboard up and down.... |
| 19:58.26 | Squarc | and I also have the android keyboard when I click a textbox |
| 19:58.36 | Squarc | but I had that also the first time (when everyting was on SD) |
| 19:58.42 | tmzt | that's the kernel one |
| 19:58.50 | Squarc | ok |
| 19:59.07 | tmzt | I mean in android itself |
| 19:59.21 | Squarc | yeah I have a keyboard when I click a textbox.. :) |
| 19:59.34 | tmzt | cool |
| 19:59.59 | tmzt | we need to think about removing it from kernel then |
| 20:00.12 | tmzt | what android image do you use? |
| 20:00.28 | Squarc | I have no idea actually, since I didnt build android itself yet |
| 20:00.34 | Squarc | I used a prebuild I found here (just a sec) |
| 20:00.35 | tmzt | do you have a url? |
| 20:00.58 | Squarc | yeah just a sec :) |
| 20:01.39 | tmzt | actually you can put msm_vkeybd=off or hidden in default.txt |
| 20:01.39 | Squarc | damn, I should have some copy/paste sync between my laptop and desktop |
| 20:01.45 | Squarc | ok :) |
| 20:01.52 | Squarc | it "hide" allready |
| 20:02.13 | tmzt | off should get rid of the squares |
| 20:02.18 | Squarc | ok :) |
| 20:02.42 | Squarc | well you know the raphaelLInux wikipage @ wiki.xdadev right ? |
| 20:02.55 | Squarc | just below the "A kernel" part |
| 20:02.56 | tmzt | yes |
| 20:02.59 | Squarc | click the mirror link |
| 20:03.04 | Squarc | then start wuala, that one |
| 20:03.24 | Squarc | just "unzipped" (tar actually) the thing onto my SD |
| 20:03.45 | Squarc | then I builded a zImage myself.. but it doesnt make any difference |
| 20:04.02 | Squarc | it just so I know how its done, so I can do it in future.. |
| 20:05.01 | Squarc | oh btw, I have msmvkeyb_toggle=hide |
| 20:05.08 | Squarc | setting msm_vkeybd=off now :) |
| 20:05.37 | Squarc | and removing the _toggle one |
| 20:06.29 | Squarc | nice, its gone :) |
| 20:09.51 | tmzt | can't find the link |
| 20:09.57 | Squarc | owh |
| 20:10.00 | tmzt | only the group |
| 20:10.12 | tmzt | is there terminal? |
| 20:10.26 | tmzt | and browser? |
| 20:10.35 | Squarc | in that link ? |
| 20:10.41 | tmzt | yes |
| 20:11.17 | Squarc | btw, after a while bootin linux the square gets back and the keyboard is enabled by default.. however, the first few seconds the vkeybd is gone.. seems its initialized anyway, no mather how the parameters are set |
| 20:11.21 | tmzt | http://www.wuala.com/Linux+and+Android+on+HTC+Diamond |
| 20:11.38 | tmzt | oh |
| 20:11.47 | tmzt | didn't know that |
| 20:11.49 | Squarc | append that url with: /Android+1.0/build_kernel.html |
| 20:11.59 | Squarc | and click start wuala |
| 20:12.07 | tmzt | appears it needs java |
| 20:12.16 | Squarc | it does yes |
| 20:12.16 | tmzt | 1.0? |
| 20:12.29 | tmzt | doesn't have keyboard |
| 20:12.39 | Squarc | 1.0 doesnt? |
| 20:12.41 | tmzt | must be cupcake |
| 20:12.44 | tmzt | no |
| 20:13.04 | Squarc | I dont know, its just a prebuild... |
| 20:13.16 | Squarc | I think the "1.0" in the url is out ofdate |
| 20:13.18 | Squarc | let me check that |
| 20:14.01 | Squarc | oh, booting from default ROM (not internal storage/SD) still gives me the "insert a SD card" message |
| 20:15.11 | tmzt | yeah, it has to mount sd for the rootfs |
| 20:15.12 | Squarc | yep, cupcake: generic-eng 1.5 CUPCAKE eng.root.20090503.132111 test-keys |
| 20:15.17 | tmzt | ok |
| 20:15.25 | Squarc | ok |
| 20:15.27 | tmzt | is there a direct link? |
| 20:15.42 | Squarc | to the file? |
| 20:16.10 | Squarc | no |
| 20:16.26 | Squarc | well, there is |
| 20:16.31 | Squarc | just a sex |
| 20:16.33 | tmzt | I'm on phone, no java |
| 20:16.33 | Squarc | *sec |
| 20:16.42 | Squarc | k |
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| 20:19.44 | Squarc | http://www.wuala.com/Linux%20and%20Android%20on%20HTC%20Diamond/Android%201.0/_Builds/all%20Builds/20090506%20-%20balsat/Android-images.tar.gz |
| 20:19.51 | Squarc | thats the one I used |
| 20:20.56 | Squarc | theres also a instruction html file on there |
| 20:21.03 | Squarc | which I also used |
| 20:21.25 | tmzt | thanks |
| 20:21.25 | Squarc | http://www.wuala.com/Linux%20and%20Android%20on%20HTC%20Diamond/Android%201.0/build_kernel.html |
| 20:21.33 | tmzt | downloading |
| 20:21.37 | Squarc | ok |
| 20:21.54 | Squarc | I had thought that wuala thing was from this project.. |
| 20:21.56 | tmzt | yes, I will have to build an android kernel |
| 20:22.00 | tmzt | no |
| 20:22.01 | Squarc | it has 61K views btw |
| 20:22.10 | tmzt | cool |
| 20:22.12 | Squarc | yeah |
| 20:22.16 | Squarc | thats what I mean with animo :p |
| 20:22.24 | Squarc | *meant |
| 20:22.30 | tmzt | we do kernel mostly |
| 20:22.34 | Squarc | uhu |
| 20:22.49 | tmzt | the code comes from google/android |
| 20:22.53 | Squarc | yeah, and as long as the kernel works ok android does too, right ? |
| 20:22.58 | tmzt | yes |
| 20:23.02 | Squarc | so most of the work done here will be drivers etc ? |
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| 20:23.16 | tmzt | and so the android patches are in it |
| 20:23.21 | Squarc | ahh ok |
| 20:23.22 | tmzt | yes |
| 20:23.37 | tmzt | android is a little different |
| 20:24.08 | Squarc | how do you mean ? |
| 20:24.17 | tmzt | it needs binderipc, ashmem, double vyres framebuffer, and screen based touchscreen |
| 20:24.27 | tmzt | rather than raw |
| 20:24.44 | Squarc | :p lots of word I dont get :p |
| 20:25.05 | Squarc | but I asume you need to provide those functionality kernel based, so that android doesnt have to adept to the phone |
| 20:25.16 | tmzt | binderipc is android's ipc in the kernel |
| 20:25.16 | Squarc | so, only the kernel layer is phone specefik, |
| 20:25.27 | Squarc | ok |
| 20:25.28 | tmzt | right |
| 20:25.37 | tmzt | mostly |
| 20:25.55 | Squarc | allright, and you are one of the main devs ? |
| 20:25.57 | Squarc | I guess? |
| 20:26.20 | tmzt | ashmem is some kind of shared memory implementation |
| 20:26.28 | tmzt | something like that |
| 20:26.33 | Squarc | ok :) |
| 20:26.56 | Squarc | neither defaulted in any linux kernel I guess? |
| 20:26.57 | tmzt | maejrep is doing the work for cdma phones |
| 20:27.07 | Squarc | ok |
| 20:27.23 | tmzt | no, those are from android, not upstream yet |
| 20:27.28 | Squarc | ok |
| 20:27.53 | Squarc | but the G1 also uses linux right ? |
| 20:28.10 | Squarc | and that linux also needs to have those functionality for android to work |
| 20:28.46 | tmzt | NetRipper and some others are doing basic support for raph and diam |
| 20:28.47 | Squarc | but since those functions are hardware specifik you have to rewrite them for the HTC diam/raph, right ? (thinking out loud here) ? |
| 20:28.55 | tmzt | yes |
| 20:28.57 | Squarc | ok |
| 20:29.07 | Squarc | owh btw, I got feedback from ifconfig usb0 |
| 20:29.17 | Squarc | however, I only have a inet6 adress displayed |
| 20:29.18 | tmzt | ok |
| 20:29.30 | tmzt | you have to assign ip |
| 20:29.39 | Squarc | to the phone ? |
| 20:29.44 | tmzt | check the documentation |
| 20:29.46 | tmzt | no |
| 20:29.49 | tmzt | to pc |
| 20:30.01 | tmzt | on same subset as phone |
| 20:30.08 | Squarc | ok |
| 20:30.29 | Squarc | owh yeah, usb0 is the PC interface, not the phone one's |
| 20:30.37 | Squarc | I'll try to find that documentation, |
| 20:30.39 | Squarc | its on the wiki ? |
| 20:31.02 | tmzt | not sure |
| 20:31.20 | Squarc | it doesnt seem to be there |
| 20:31.25 | tmzt | I just extract the initrd and look at scripts |
| 20:31.52 | tmzt | zcat |cpio -id |
| 20:32.52 | Squarc | ? |
| 20:33.22 | tmzt | zcat initrd.gz |cpio -id |
| 20:33.29 | tmzt | or whatever |
| 20:37.10 | Squarc | ok, I assigned a IP and I did a ethtool usb0 |
| 20:37.25 | Squarc | I got a current message level 7 |
| 20:37.29 | Squarc | and a link is detected |
| 20:39.52 | tmzt | do you know the correct ip? |
| 20:40.16 | Squarc | no, I think I did that part wrong |
| 20:40.26 | Squarc | :p stupid :P |
| 20:40.42 | Squarc | I dont know what IP the phone itself uses |
| 20:40.49 | Squarc | do you ? |
| 20:41.51 | Squarc | owh wait |
| 20:41.56 | tmzt | extract the initrd |
| 20:41.59 | Squarc | I guessed at 255.0.0.0 |
| 20:42.04 | Squarc | using IP 10.0.2.5 |
| 20:42.10 | tmzt | no |
| 20:42.14 | tmzt | maybe |
| 20:42.24 | Squarc | and ethtool -i usb0 gives me: driver: cdc_subset |
| 20:42.35 | Squarc | firmware-version: linux device |
| 20:42.40 | Squarc | seems to be working... right? |
| 20:42.59 | Squarc | just gota know where to ssh to |
| 20:43.06 | tmzt | yeah, but you need ip |
| 20:43.10 | tmzt | try nmap |
| 20:43.19 | tmzt | or extract initrd |
| 20:45.57 | Squarc | root.cpiogz ? |
| 20:46.33 | tmzt | yes |
| 20:47.28 | Squarc | where should I look then :S |
| 20:47.47 | tmzt | extracted? |
| 20:47.51 | tmzt | try init |
| 20:48.09 | Squarc | ok got it |
| 20:48.27 | Squarc | busybox ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.206/255.255.255.0 up |
| 20:49.15 | Squarc | did a ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.207 |
| 20:49.17 | Squarc | on pc |
| 20:49.24 | Squarc | port 22 ? |
| 20:50.11 | Squarc | owh, init also sais route add default gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 20:50.11 | cr2 | hmm |
| 20:50.21 | Squarc | so I should set PC to that address ? |
| 20:52.40 | tmzt | yes |
| 20:53.00 | Squarc | did that |
| 20:53.27 | Squarc | connecting to 192.168.0.206:22, connection refused |
| 20:53.50 | tmzt | try telnet |
| 20:54.07 | tmzt | thought it was 207? |
| 20:54.33 | Squarc | no the phone is 206 |
| 20:54.40 | Squarc | I first set the PC to 207 |
| 20:54.53 | Squarc | but since the phone expects the default gateway to be 200 I set the PC to 200 |
| 20:55.25 | tmzt | right |
| 20:56.19 | Squarc | how to test with telnet ? |
| 20:56.26 | Squarc | (telnet -b 192.168.0.206) |
| 20:57.53 | tmzt | -b? |
| 20:58.16 | Squarc | doesnt work |
| 20:58.19 | Squarc | did telnet |
| 20:58.24 | Squarc | open 192.168.0.206 now |
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| 20:59.10 | tmzt | since you have init file, is telnetd in there? |
| 20:59.45 | Squarc | yep: |
| 21:00.00 | Squarc | busybox telnetd -l /system/bin/sh |
| 21:00.28 | Squarc | echo "test" works |
| 21:00.34 | Squarc | so I have connection |
| 21:01.18 | tmzt | ok |
| 21:01.20 | tmzt | good |
| 21:01.33 | Squarc | but no ssh |
| 21:01.38 | Squarc | which is bad for testing |
| 21:01.43 | tmzt | why? |
| 21:01.43 | Squarc | I asume ssh isnt in my build |
| 21:01.51 | Squarc | well, wanna test using telnet then ? |
| 21:02.09 | tmzt | it's the same thing, less secure |
| 21:02.17 | tmzt | test what |
| 21:02.19 | tmzt | ? |
| 21:02.35 | tmzt | ls /dev/msm_* |
| 21:03.05 | tmzt | ls -lh /dev/msm_* |
| 21:03.15 | Squarc | well I dont know, if I gotta test thing like sound etc |
| 21:03.20 | Squarc | ssh would be nice I guess |
| 21:03.33 | Squarc | Since I dont have a keyboard on my phone |
| 21:04.37 | tmzt | ssh and telnet are the same thing essentially |
| 21:04.57 | tmzt | you can follow g1 dropbear tutorial though |
| 21:05.21 | tmzt | can you give me that output? |
| 21:05.21 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:05.44 | Squarc | oh yes |
| 21:05.44 | Squarc | 4 devices |
| 21:05.44 | Squarc | msm_mp3 |
| 21:05.44 | Squarc | msm_pcm_ctl |
| 21:05.47 | Squarc | msn_pcm_in |
| 21:05.50 | Squarc | and msm_pcm_out |
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| 21:05.55 | Squarc | all in /dev/ offcourse |
| 21:06.50 | Squarc | the ls -lh gives error: -lh: no such file or directory |
| 21:06.59 | tmzt | that's ok |
| 21:07.07 | tmzt | logcat |
| 21:07.19 | tmzt | and play a sound in android |
| 21:07.39 | Squarc | ok, got a lot of data first |
| 21:07.42 | Squarc | now going to play a sound |
| 21:07.46 | tmzt | anything, click outside of a window or whatever |
| 21:07.47 | Squarc | I guess calling is enough ? |
| 21:07.52 | tmzt | yeah |
| 21:07.58 | tmzt | or calling it |
| 21:08.51 | Squarc | doing now |
| 21:09.18 | tmzt | pastebin the interesting stuff if any |
| 21:09.24 | tmzt | not numbers, etc. |
| 21:09.31 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:09.34 | Squarc | just a sec |
| 21:09.39 | Squarc | go a lot of info when I called |
| 21:11.38 | Squarc | pastebin.com/m152a362b |
| 21:12.06 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.18 | tmzt | copy not paste |
| 21:12.51 | Squarc | ? |
| 21:15.38 | Squarc | btw, why does it need to mount the whole SD card as boot? can I acces files on there in any way ? |
| 21:16.19 | tmzt | stuff is missing, ringtones etc. |
| 21:16.54 | tmzt | mount /dev/mmcblk0 /sdcard |
| 21:16.54 | Squarc | using telnet ? |
| 21:16.55 | tmzt | yes |
| 21:17.30 | Squarc | mount gave me a usage error |
| 21:17.38 | Squarc | mkdir /sdcard gave me error: file exists |
| 21:17.55 | Squarc | oh and btw, screen timeout doesnt work on diam, so screen stays on... how is that on raph ?> |
| 21:18.12 | tmzt | same I think |
| 21:18.20 | tmzt | should be fixable |
| 21:18.38 | Squarc | yeah |
| 21:18.43 | tmzt | oh yeah, I have to give mickeyl that driver |
| 21:18.51 | Squarc | it flashes every 1 minute, so the timeout itself works |
| 21:18.57 | Squarc | it just gets back on everytime.. |
| 21:19.31 | tmzt | we are working on freesmartphone.org and shr though, not android |
| 21:20.14 | tmzt | I will look at 1.5 you have posted though, for the terminal, browser, onscreen keyboard |
| 21:20.45 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:20.50 | Squarc | why not android? |
| 21:21.07 | tmzt | I like X |
| 21:21.12 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:21.28 | Squarc | ehm, well, on the diam the mic isnt working either |
| 21:21.37 | tmzt | I want a linux computer, android is a phone os with apps |
| 21:21.46 | tmzt | yeah |
| 21:21.48 | Squarc | thats tru |
| 21:21.50 | Squarc | *true |
| 21:21.55 | tmzt | same problems |
| 21:21.59 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:22.03 | Squarc | same driver I guess? |
| 21:22.06 | tmzt | shr is using enlightenment |
| 21:22.10 | tmzt | yeah |
| 21:22.15 | Squarc | msm_pcm_in ? |
| 21:22.17 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:22.29 | tmzt | lower level than that |
| 21:22.48 | tmzt | if you cat the you get No route to host? |
| 21:22.48 | Squarc | oh ok |
| 21:23.02 | Squarc | cat that device? |
| 21:23.14 | tmzt | do you have anyrhing on sd card, mp3, etc |
| 21:23.17 | tmzt | yes |
| 21:23.24 | Squarc | yep, No route to host |
| 21:23.30 | Squarc | and, no, tha sd card isnt mounted yet |
| 21:23.34 | tmzt | all of them? |
| 21:23.45 | tmzt | not in mount? |
| 21:23.59 | tmzt | where is it mounted? |
| 21:24.15 | cr2 | tmzt: how do i configure exim on debian ? i want my sendmail back ;) |
| 21:24.41 | Squarc | tmzt: msm_pcm_out is also "No route to host" |
| 21:24.50 | Squarc | msm_mp3 : Out of memory |
| 21:24.56 | Squarc | msm_pcm_ctl: inalid length |
| 21:25.23 | cr2 | Squarc: something is not quite right in the sound rpc code. |
| 21:25.32 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:25.40 | tmzt | cr2: no idea, I just dpkg-reconfigure and choose smarthost with gateway |
| 21:26.16 | tmzt | trying to make sound with android to see what it does |
| 21:26.38 | cr2 | Squarc: if you can recompile your kernel, enable the RPC debug by editing the #define in rpc_router.c |
| 21:26.55 | cr2 | tmzt: i'm my own gateway. |
| 21:27.18 | tmzt | stil dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim |
| 21:27.46 | tmzt | I have a audioparam patch also |
| 21:28.11 | tmzt | not for 100 though |
| 21:28.25 | cr2 | tmzt: rpc first |
| 21:28.39 | Squarc | I will try that build another time, its too late fot that now.. |
| 21:28.43 | Squarc | (midnight over here) |
| 21:28.51 | Squarc | ehm, that /sdcard is a file |
| 21:29.10 | Squarc | should I remove it, make a folder and mount /dev/mmcblk0 on it? |
| 21:29.17 | tmzt | no |
| 21:29.34 | Squarc | oh |
| 21:29.36 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:29.37 | tmzt | mount --bind whatever sd is mounted on to it |
| 21:29.42 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:31.21 | Squarc | ahhh.... /dev/mmcblk0 doesnt exist |
| 21:31.29 | Squarc | which was why I got the moun usage error |
| 21:31.31 | tmzt | block |
| 21:31.50 | tmzt | '/dev/block |
| 21:31.59 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:33.07 | tmzt | '/dev/block/mmcblk0 |
| 21:33.23 | Squarc | owhhh, ahh I got it |
| 21:33.30 | Squarc | I'm acting stupid, srry |
| 21:34.41 | Squarc | still have that usage error |
| 21:34.54 | Squarc | device is ther |
| 21:34.56 | Squarc | folder is there |
| 21:35.02 | tmzt | what error? |
| 21:35.09 | Squarc | Usage error |
| 21:35.13 | Squarc | Usage: mount etc. etc. |
| 21:35.18 | tmzt | forget bind, just mount again |
| 21:35.26 | Squarc | yeah I'm trying that |
| 21:35.27 | tmzt | busybox is broken |
| 21:35.32 | tmzt | try -o bind |
| 21:36.12 | Squarc | mount: not a directory |
| 21:36.21 | Squarc | doh |
| 21:36.24 | Squarc | its a device |
| 21:36.33 | Squarc | binding device wont do the trick |
| 21:36.34 | tmzt | right |
| 21:36.50 | Squarc | shouldnt I tell mount what type to use? |
| 21:36.51 | tmzt | but it has to be mounted somewher |
| 21:36.55 | tmzt | mount |
| 21:37.00 | tmzt | just mount |
| 21:38.00 | Squarc | tried: "mount /dev/block/mmcblk0 /sdcard": usage error |
| 21:38.01 | Squarc | and |
| 21:38.17 | Squarc | "mount /dev/block/mmcblk0 /sdcard_before_bind": usage error |
| 21:38.32 | Squarc | second folder I created myself to be sure it is a normal folder |
| 21:38.34 | tmzt | no |
| 21:38.57 | tmzt | just type mount |
| 21:39.04 | Squarc | owh ok |
| 21:39.45 | Squarc | it has /dev/mmcblko mounted |
| 21:39.53 | Squarc | which is wierd because that file/device doesnt exist |
| 21:39.57 | Kevin2 | cr2: ping |
| 21:40.06 | Squarc | mounted to /mmc |
| 21:40.19 | tmzt | ok, bind mmc to sdcard |
| 21:40.27 | Squarc | ok |
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| 21:40.38 | Squarc | done |
| 21:40.39 | tmzt | kernel mounted it or something |
| 21:40.47 | Squarc | got my files |
| 21:40.54 | tmzt | good |
| 21:41.20 | Squarc | damnit |
| 21:41.28 | Squarc | android doesnt agree with me that the sdcard is mounted |
| 21:41.47 | tmzt | yeah |
| 21:41.47 | Squarc | though ls /sdcard clearly shows my data |
| 21:42.07 | Squarc | chmod ? |
| 21:42.17 | tmzt | not sure what else to do |
| 21:42.28 | tmzt | uid,gid on mount? |
| 21:42.31 | tmzt | maybe |
| 21:42.59 | tmzt | or simlink /dev/mmcblk0 to /dev/mmc0p1 |
| 21:43.09 | tmzt | or simlink /dev/mmcblk0 to /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 21:43.15 | tmzt | maybe |
| 21:43.16 | Squarc | it doesnt show that bind as a bind I know from normal use |
| 21:43.27 | Squarc | it just mounted /dev/mmcblk0 to /sdcard now |
| 21:43.29 | tmzt | it shouldn't carw |
| 21:43.34 | Squarc | type vfat |
| 21:43.36 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:43.46 | tmzt | vold is broken |
| 21:43.54 | Squarc | vold ? |
| 21:44.31 | tmzt | android volume daemon |
| 21:44.42 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:45.19 | Squarc | well, I still dont get that /dev/mmcblk0 is mounted |
| 21:45.23 | Squarc | because its not there |
| 21:45.28 | Squarc | and thus a simlink doesnt work |
| 21:45.51 | Squarc | I do have /dev/block/vold |
| 21:45.58 | Squarc | and /dev/block/mmcblk0 |
| 21:46.00 | Squarc | and some loops |
| 21:46.01 | tmzt | not much you can do |
| 21:46.06 | Squarc | ok |
| 21:46.20 | Squarc | well I'll wait till the next build then :) |
| 21:46.35 | Squarc | tanks for your help, I learned a lot ! :) |
| 21:46.38 | Squarc | *thanks |
| 21:47.16 | Squarc | and if you need to test those audio drivers when they're ready just let me know :) I'll keep idling on here :) |
| 21:48.14 | tmzt | ok |
| 21:48.22 | Squarc | cya |
| 21:55.33 | tmzt | http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/dri-for-the-freerunner.html |
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| 23:49.28 | Untouchab1e | Hi all |
| 23:49.30 | Untouchab1e | anyone in? |
| 23:50.21 | tmzt | hey |
| 23:50.21 | tmzt | do you know of the wuala?? build? |
| 23:50.23 | tmzt | it's 1.5 based with virtual keyboard apparently |
| 23:50.41 | Untouchab1e | wuala build.. for what? |
| 23:50.49 | tmzt | android |
| 23:50.54 | tmzt | on raphael wiki page |
| 23:51.06 | Untouchab1e | If we are talking native Android here, Android 1.5 (Cupcake) has a nice on-screen keyboard built in? |
| 23:51.47 | Untouchab1e | Anyways, I have been out of the game for a few weeks now.. Just wondering if there has been any significant progress? I am loving Android more and more but hating the G1 more and more and missing my Touch Pro.. lol |
| 23:52.28 | tmzt | http://www.wuala.com/Linux+and+Android+on+HTC+Diamond |
| 23:52.35 | tmzt | yes |
| 23:52.47 | tmzt | still have touch pro? |
| 23:52.51 | Untouchab1e | think wuala is just a file hosting service |
| 23:52.56 | Untouchab1e | my Raph100 is lying around, yeh |
| 23:52.59 | tmzt | yeah, I know |
| 23:53.10 | Untouchab1e | But my ADP1 serves as my primary phone now |
| 23:53.31 | tmzt | someone was asking about it, I'm looking for one with on-screen keyboard as my keyboard doesn't work |
| 23:53.54 | Untouchab1e | Hmm.. ok? Again, Android 1.5 has a built in on-screen keyboard |
| 23:53.57 | tmzt | and I don't want the kernel keyboard either, I'm actually going to try to patch that out and get a clear video driver working |
| 23:54.02 | tmzt | yes |
| 23:54.17 | Untouchab1e | but yeah, any significant progress on Android for the Raph? Power Management? Audio\Mic? |
| 23:54.32 | tmzt | no, we are working on audio and mtd |
| 23:54.48 | Untouchab1e | Ok.. how is that going? |
| 23:54.58 | tmzt | power management should be possible but I don't know how it works on msm, it's probably going to need some low level tracing |
| 23:55.13 | tmzt | okay, we have the rpc's now but we need to integrate into qdsp5 |
| 23:55.42 | Untouchab1e | Gah, if we ever get Android running decently on the Touch Pro, a better device running Android is probably on the market though :( |
| 23:55.59 | tmzt | always, touch pro 2 looks good :) |
| 23:56.07 | tmzt | oh you mean offically, yes |
| 23:56.14 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 23:56.14 | tmzt | motorola, samsung, etc. |
| 23:56.38 | Untouchab1e | Acer, HTC, Motorola, Samsung.. Official word is that we can expect more than 10 Android phones by the end of the year |