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| 07:00.49 | alfadir | hi, have a kovsky, does the blackstone linux guide work or are more patches needed ? any pointers ? |
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| 08:22.32 | Abracadabra | Good morning |
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| 09:15.58 | Abracadabra | Is there a rom or a linux similar to neopwn for the kayser ? |
| 09:18.26 | swc|666 | nope |
| 09:18.53 | Abracadabra | swc|666: you're everywhere! :) |
| 09:19.03 | swc|666 | is neopwn :) |
| 09:19.07 | Abracadabra | aha |
| 09:19.19 | Abracadabra | did you create it ? |
| 09:19.27 | swc|666 | si |
| 09:20.11 | Abracadabra | Congratulations then |
| 09:20.15 | Abracadabra | it looks wonderful |
| 09:20.28 | swc|666 | thx |
| 09:20.58 | Abracadabra | will it ever be offered as an open system ? |
| 09:21.31 | captnoord | on small scale open doesn't mean code quality |
| 09:21.35 | swc|666 | if i was made of bandwidth, maybe |
| 09:21.52 | captnoord | and often people leave because of frustration |
| 09:22.04 | Abracadabra | yes, I agree |
| 09:22.30 | Abracadabra | I get frustrated with WM roms |
| 09:22.32 | Abracadabra | ^^ |
| 09:22.37 | captnoord | hehe |
| 09:22.59 | swc|666 | captnoord... awesome pdf release eh? |
| 09:23.02 | swc|666 | :D |
| 09:23.04 | captnoord | yup |
| 09:23.17 | captnoord | i'm about to complete the wiki page on the gpio |
| 09:23.19 | captnoord | but |
| 09:23.29 | captnoord | I think i'm first cleaning my room |
| 09:23.34 | captnoord | because its hell out here |
| 09:23.34 | captnoord | hehe |
| 09:23.36 | swc|666 | ahahaa |
| 09:23.46 | swc|666 | same with my office here |
| 09:23.47 | swc|666 | :s |
| 09:23.50 | captnoord | i've been on a coding spree for like 3 days on my project |
| 09:24.00 | captnoord | and results in crap code and messy room |
| 09:24.27 | captnoord | but the pdf is awsom |
| 09:24.35 | captnoord | awesome* |
| 09:24.54 | captnoord | of only they added the hardware manual |
| 09:24.55 | captnoord | but |
| 09:25.00 | captnoord | software is also nice |
| 09:25.08 | swc|666 | yep.... lol - same here, minus the code... i've been doing too much in the way of administration to concentrate on coding :/ |
| 09:25.28 | Abracadabra | what do you guys code in ? |
| 09:25.35 | captnoord | c / c++ |
| 09:25.45 | captnoord | I disasm a lot |
| 09:25.49 | captnoord | and reverse enginere |
| 09:25.58 | captnoord | but i'm still a newbee in that field |
| 09:26.08 | Abracadabra | another of the millions of things I'd like to learn more about |
| 09:26.13 | captnoord | but i'm clear of the first bump.... |
| 09:26.28 | captnoord | so I now know I can understand almost everything as long as I spend time on it |
| 09:26.29 | Abracadabra | care to point me in the right direction ? |
| 09:26.31 | swc|666 | msm72xx loses me |
| 09:26.39 | captnoord | oding |
| 09:26.40 | captnoord | coding |
| 09:26.43 | captnoord | or disasmbling |
| 09:26.47 | captnoord | reverse enginering |
| 09:26.53 | captnoord | swc|666: explain |
| 09:26.55 | Abracadabra | hehe |
| 09:27.41 | swc|666 | its confusing to me |
| 09:28.09 | captnoord | swc|666: what? that every pin can have multiple functions? |
| 09:28.45 | captnoord | or something else |
| 09:30.29 | swc|666 | captnoord, its just difficult to understand for me.. i've only had a limited exposure to engineering of this sort |
| 09:31.16 | captnoord | hmmm I see.... i've worked with a philips arm 9 chip who had the same functionality.... as in.... at least 4 diff functions per ping |
| 09:31.54 | captnoord | the pin function is muliplexed |
| 09:31.59 | captnoord | with a select |
| 09:32.01 | swc|666 | interesting |
| 09:32.15 | kri5 | hello there |
| 09:32.28 | captnoord | what is interesting me is the security stuff regarding the gpio |
| 09:32.32 | captnoord | because it makes me think |
| 09:32.54 | captnoord | if we are maybe able to check if WM rom has locked them |
| 09:33.07 | kri5 | i'm interested in HTC blackstone linux portage |
| 09:33.15 | captnoord | so if we don't use them multiple gpio functions just don't work |
| 09:33.22 | kri5 | but i don't found that much informations on it |
| 09:33.26 | captnoord | kri5: its similar to the raph |
| 09:33.29 | swc|666 | hmm |
| 09:33.42 | captnoord | page 745 |
| 09:33.46 | captnoord | of the software manual |
| 09:33.55 | swc|666 | looks |
| 09:34.07 | captnoord | gpio2 security control registers |
| 09:34.22 | captnoord | kri5: what do you want to know |
| 09:34.22 | captnoord | ? |
| 09:35.21 | kri5 | captnoord: i just want to know few things, such as what features left, and some kind of hints on how to devel for them |
| 09:35.34 | captnoord | have experience in the field? |
| 09:35.36 | kri5 | captnoord: or people that can help me to devel it |
| 09:35.48 | kri5 | captnoord: i'm a devel |
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| 09:35.55 | captnoord | lol |
| 09:35.57 | captnoord | me to |
| 09:35.59 | captnoord | but |
| 09:36.05 | kri5 | captnoord: C/C++/C# and some asm x86 stuff |
| 09:36.07 | captnoord | i'm having a hard time coding something for it |
| 09:36.13 | captnoord | same goes here |
| 09:36.19 | captnoord | arm is a bit diff than x86 |
| 09:36.31 | captnoord | hmmm |
| 09:36.35 | captnoord | rpc doesn't work |
| 09:36.37 | kri5 | captnoord: and some other scripting languagues but it doesn't matters here :D |
| 09:36.38 | captnoord | sound |
| 09:36.38 | captnoord | net |
| 09:37.06 | captnoord | if rpc is fixed sound is easy to fix |
| 09:37.07 | kri5 | are you working on some of it? |
| 09:37.09 | captnoord | and the rest to |
| 09:37.12 | captnoord | yup |
| 09:37.16 | captnoord | but atm |
| 09:37.17 | kri5 | what is rpc exactly? |
| 09:37.22 | captnoord | reading a leaked pdf |
| 09:37.29 | captnoord | remote procedure call |
| 09:37.34 | kri5 | ok |
| 09:37.37 | captnoord | please go read the wiki on it |
| 09:38.32 | kri5 | url? |
| 09:38.43 | captnoord | www.wikipedia.com |
| 09:38.50 | kri5 | :D |
| 09:38.51 | captnoord | www.google.com |
| 09:38.56 | kri5 | i was already reading it :) |
| 09:39.19 | kri5 | but wikipedia article is short |
| 09:39.38 | captnoord | swc|666: efuse register |
| 09:39.39 | kri5 | i'll try to find out some other ressources on the subject |
| 09:39.46 | captnoord | check the forums |
| 09:39.49 | kri5 | related to using rpc into kernels :) |
| 09:39.53 | captnoord | http://www.htc-linux.org |
| 09:39.57 | captnoord | www.htc-android.com |
| 09:40.38 | captnoord | EF_BLOW_TIMER |
| 09:40.40 | captnoord | hmmmm |
| 09:40.44 | captnoord | efuse blow timer |
| 09:40.45 | captnoord | as in..... |
| 09:41.26 | captnoord | we program in a special data string |
| 09:41.26 | captnoord | hmmmm |
| 09:41.35 | captnoord | if its blown.... it will take some time before we are able to do some proper jtag debugging with it because I think its related to it.... |
| 09:43.13 | kri5 | :) |
| 09:44.06 | swc|666 | captnoord, are you developing for the kais? |
| 09:44.37 | captnoord | is reading the part about imem and adsp |
| 09:44.50 | captnoord | raph... is my goalll but I haven't done shit |
| 09:47.23 | captnoord | hmm |
| 10:14.53 | kri5 | is there some kind of wiki for devel? |
| 10:15.18 | captnoord | xda wiki |
| 10:37.11 | kri5 | it seems a little bit out of date? isn't it a 1.5 version of android? |
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| 14:05.27 | szsoftware | dcordes_: yo, man. ready too talk? :-) |
| 14:05.54 | AstainHellbring | morning |
| 14:06.12 | szsoftware | morning AstainHellbring :-) |
| 14:12.03 | szsoftware | any raph/diam developers in da house? |
| 14:19.29 | szsoftware | is there any approach of a system-wide vk, independent from android. Maybe in kernel or another approach? |
| 14:22.43 | mickeyl | vk? |
| 14:22.46 | mickeyl | virtual keyboard? |
| 14:22.51 | szsoftware | yes |
| 14:23.10 | mickeyl | there's this on-screen-keyboard in kernel |
| 14:23.19 | mickeyl | weird to put this in a kernel, but it seems to work |
| 14:23.55 | mickeyl | the proper solution is to use a softkeyboard in X though |
| 14:24.09 | mickeyl | of which there are a number, one of the best being illume |
| 14:25.13 | szsoftware | in htc-msm-2.6.27 ? You're right but what about using just the console w/o X |
| 14:26.41 | szsoftware | last autumn I was very active here and played also with angstrom console-image and a early vk-kernel approach of dzo |
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| 14:27.23 | szsoftware | then I went in winter season (skiing instructor in austria), means no time for beeing active here |
| 14:28.50 | szsoftware | mickeyl: do you have experience with building openmoko, using oe? |
| 14:29.44 | mickeyl | typically boils down to setting DISTRO and MACHINE |
| 14:29.49 | mickeyl | then bitbake <the-image-you-like> |
| 14:29.58 | mickeyl | i recommend DISTRO=minimal |
| 14:30.17 | mickeyl | fso has some bits of support for the HTC modems |
| 14:30.30 | mickeyl | but don't expect a working distro until the kernel has matured |
| 14:31.24 | szsoftware | must I set distro to "openmoko" when I wanna build openmoko-image or may I leave it to "angstrom" |
| 14:32.35 | mickeyl | i recommend minimal, but you can leave it to what you use, if you want |
| 14:32.45 | mickeyl | image and distro are usually orthogonal settings |
| 14:33.46 | szsoftware | ok. Do you know, whether I can give DISTRO = <distro> on the fly w/o defining in local.conf ? |
| 14:34.05 | mickeyl | never did that |
| 14:34.12 | mickeyl | better define it in local.conf |
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| 17:59.44 | Jos | haha |
| 17:59.45 | Jos | the plastic front screen of my htc isn't damaged either :p |
| 17:59.46 | MethoS- | :P |
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| 18:01.23 | MethoS- | ok, maybe there were new scratches ^^, but it seems, they didn't look much different than the usual scratches, one get while using a phone |
| 18:02.11 | MethoS- | good old robust hardware :) |
| 18:02.57 | Jos | The screen is the most vulnerable |
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| 20:47.39 | pacman | Anyone out there? |
| 20:49.58 | pacman | Would like to help w/ getting the speaker / microphone working, am I correct in assuming that there are physical lockouts in place which are making this difficult? |
| 20:50.51 | pacman | \w |
| 20:50.52 | pacman | \q |
| 20:51.07 | pacman | quit |
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| 22:40.30 | UnknownArtists | hi, i have a HTC arte110 and want to run a linux on it. can anyone help me? |
| 22:40.38 | UnknownArtists | have tried a linwizard |
| 22:41.08 | miknix | UnknownArtists, git://linuxtogo.org/home |
| 22:41.40 | miknix | clone that repo, htc-omap branch |
| 22:42.18 | miknix | then make HTCARTEMIS_DEFAULTCONFIG |
| 22:42.30 | miknix | BabelO, is that correct? |
| 22:43.34 | UnknownArtists | miknix, for now i have'nt set up a toolchain do build a kernel |
| 22:43.43 | UnknownArtists | or did'nt i need one? |
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| 22:44.56 | miknix | UnknownArtists, yes, you need one. unless someone gives you a linux binary blob |
| 22:45.33 | UnknownArtists | ok i will set up |
| 22:45.41 | UnknownArtists | first i see i need git |
| 22:45.46 | UnknownArtists | will merge taht |
| 22:45.54 | UnknownArtists | but that will take a while |
| 22:46.01 | UnknownArtists | i am using gentoo |
| 22:46.20 | UnknownArtists | if thats important ?! |
| 22:46.33 | tmzt | you need git and you need a cross toolchain |
| 22:46.46 | tmzt | you don't need all of cross portage or whatever it's called |
| 22:46.53 | UnknownArtists | i think i've set up a cross toolchain before |
| 22:47.00 | UnknownArtists | have programmed some avr's |
| 22:47.14 | tmzt | kernel is easy to build, you don't need to worry about libraries |
| 22:47.19 | tmzt | it should be similar to avr |
| 22:47.19 | tsdogs | UnknownArtists: it's a bit old and qtopia is not officially supported anymore, but it might be a start :) |
| 22:47.21 | tsdogs | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ArtemisDownloads |
| 22:47.49 | miknix | UnknownArtists, if you are using gentoo, use crossdev -t armv5te-softfloat-gnu-eabi |
| 22:47.58 | UnknownArtists | tsdogs, i've started with qtopia |
| 22:48.09 | miknix | correction: armv5te-softfloat-linux-gnueabi |
| 22:48.10 | UnknownArtists | but got "no modem" |
| 22:48.22 | UnknownArtists | everything else seems to work with that for testing |
| 22:48.31 | tsdogs | hmm, ok |
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| 22:48.42 | UnknownArtists | but thx anyway ;) |
| 22:50.23 | UnknownArtists | >> need some coffee... it's 1 o'clock AM here ;) |
| 22:50.26 | UnknownArtists | brb |
| 23:00.40 | UnknownArtists | ok i've merged git |
| 23:00.55 | UnknownArtists | do i have to configre it or could i use it as it comes? |
| 23:03.31 | UnknownArtists | tried this: git clone git://linuxtogo.org/home |
| 23:03.35 | UnknownArtists | and got: |
| 23:03.43 | UnknownArtists | Initialized empty Git repository in /home/unknown/htc/home/.git/ |
| 23:03.43 | UnknownArtists | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 23:03.51 | UnknownArtists | whats wrong? |
| 23:04.38 | UnknownArtists | miknix, ? |
| 23:05.42 | miknix | missing project path |
| 23:05.52 | miknix | git clone git://linuxtogo.org/home/groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git |
| 23:06.17 | UnknownArtists | ahh ok i'll try if the toolchain is built |
| 23:06.32 | UnknownArtists | still running crossdev -t armv5te-softfloat-linux-gnueabi |
| 23:06.41 | UnknownArtists | after that i'll retry |
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| 23:56.33 | UnknownArtists | miknix, is it important that crossdev has allready finished merging my toolchain bevore i run git or does'nt it mater? |
| 23:57.35 | tmzt | doesn't matter |
| 23:57.44 | tmzt | you just need it before running make |
| 23:57.52 | UnknownArtists | ok thx |
| 23:58.14 | UnknownArtists | i thought so too but was not sure ;) |
| 23:58.41 | UnknownArtists | because there is a make running now ... |
| 23:59.01 | UnknownArtists | but that will be a part of crossdev i think |