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| 13:04.30 | AstainHellbring | morning! |
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| 13:06.48 | Marajin_ | morning AstainHellbring |
| 13:09.04 | AstainHellbring | whats up Marajin |
| 13:09.11 | Marajin | not much, yonself? |
| 13:09.19 | AstainHellbring | not much |
| 13:09.27 | AstainHellbring | first time ever getting to office before everyone else |
| 13:09.36 | Marajin | woo! |
| 13:09.39 | Marajin | Keen! |
| 13:10.04 | AstainHellbring | kinda... its a little wierd too |
| 13:11.20 | AstainHellbring | had to pull out my alarm code and disable the alarm |
| 13:14.24 | Marajin | heh :p |
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| 13:51.33 | ali1234 | can anyone assist me in finding the physical address of the disk on chip on wizard? |
| 13:52.08 | ali1234 | is the doc usually connected to a gpio that has to be turned on? |
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| 14:15.16 | ali1234 | nevermind, i found it :) |
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| 15:39.04 | Untouchab1e | Hi |
| 15:39.05 | Untouchab1e | anyone in? |
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| 15:53.33 | bandulu | hi there |
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| 16:27.31 | Patrock | how's dev going on blackstone? |
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| 18:30.42 | cr2 | hehe. this channel is completely dead in the last days. |
| 18:31.16 | Marajin | cr2: and we all know who to blame! |
| 18:31.34 | Marajin | cr2: I saw you with the shovel and bin liners! |
| 18:32.03 | cr2 | yeah, i can't do everything at once. |
| 18:32.15 | Marajin | well why not damnit! |
| 18:34.09 | cr2 | ok, i'll connect the usb disk and write some kernel patches :) |
| 18:35.20 | Marajin | good man |
| 18:35.27 | Marajin | and then you can solve world poverty |
| 18:35.43 | cr2 | true |
| 18:35.45 | Marajin | the rate the economies of the major countries are going we're going to need a solution to that one pretty soon |
| 18:37.23 | cr2 | hehe. as long as there is some food (summer is coming) and the internet access, i'm not worried. |
| 18:47.20 | AstainHellbring | yes inet access fail == death |
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| 18:58.12 | bandulu | somebody awake? |
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| 19:51.28 | cmonex | cr2? |
| 19:51.29 | cmonex | you there? |
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| 20:05.25 | cr2 | cmonex: yes |
| 20:12.30 | cmonex | ok |
| 20:12.33 | cmonex | i got some q |
| 20:12.37 | cmonex | [04:49:58] <tmzt> 10:05 < cr2> maejrep: the nand-mpu is disabled with 1 bit (see itsutils). but it will open a really big can of worms. |
| 20:12.56 | cmonex | how do you do that on arm11 if it is all locked down? |
| 20:13.14 | cmonex | i mean, ram mpu and all that is also locked |
| 20:13.23 | cmonex | lets assume this case |
| 20:13.26 | cmonex | so how is it possible then? |
| 20:15.35 | cr2 | obviously the 0xa0b* is not locked |
| 20:15.52 | cr2 | otherwise i'd not be abled to dump the whole nand |
| 20:16.58 | cr2 | on the first titans even the amss/oemsbl/qcsbl were not locked. |
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| 20:22.10 | pwalla_ | good evening |
| 20:22.49 | pwalla_ | is there somewhere I can find a good tuto to install linux on hct hermes or elf |
| 20:23.02 | pwalla_ | I mean the htc boot from lin ilage |
| 20:38.41 | cr2 | pwalla_: there is no good tutorial for hermes because it's a hack. |
| 20:39.00 | pwalla_ | thanks |
| 20:39.15 | pwalla_ | is there anything for prophet or elf |
| 20:41.42 | cr2 | check http://linwizard.sf.net |
| 20:41.52 | cr2 | or ask ali1234 |
| 20:41.59 | ali1234 | ask what now? |
| 20:42.21 | ali1234 | ah right... it probably wont work out of the box with prophet or elf |
| 20:42.38 | ali1234 | not that it works out of the box with wizard :) |
| 20:42.53 | pwalla_ | thanks |
| 20:43.01 | cr2 | ali1234: do you habe working nand now ? :) |
| 20:43.14 | ali1234 | no, i can't get it out of reset mode |
| 20:43.28 | ali1234 | although i am sure i have found the base address |
| 20:43.37 | ali1234 | it just doesn't respond to the wake up command |
| 20:43.58 | cr2 | some gpio missing ? |
| 20:44.08 | ali1234 | yeah im thinking maybe a gpio is holding it in reset |
| 20:44.19 | pwalla_ | So linux won't work on elf prophet nor hermes as today? |
| 20:44.47 | ali1234 | pwalla_: the kernel will boot but you might not get any display or keyboard or touchscreen or some combination of those |
| 20:45.17 | ali1234 | a few people have got the display working on prophet but they didn't send us any patch yet (that i know of) |
| 20:46.20 | ali1234 | so it depends how you define "work" |
| 20:46.27 | cr2 | pwalla_: hermes will boot, the lcd works, touchscreen works, but it can't be used for anything useful. because the SD is not supported |
| 20:47.18 | ali1234 | i don't think there is any linux smartphone that i would class as "working" - except maybe the G1 which arguably doesn't count :) |
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| 20:47.53 | boli^ | kaiser is close...ish |
| 20:48.11 | pwalla_ | ok thanks so I will just try on hermes |
| 20:48.11 | ali1234 | cr2: what could i do to make windows turn on the DoC while i trace with haret? |
| 20:48.42 | ali1234 | i was thinking maybe fiddle with extrom... |
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| 20:50.30 | cr2 | ali1234: hm. haret misses the 'ls' command |
| 20:50.53 | cr2 | should be easy to add it though. |
| 20:51.01 | cr2 | using 'ps' as a base. |
| 20:51.14 | ali1234 | but... can haret trace haret?? |
| 20:51.41 | ali1234 | and i need to catch when windows actually turns on the doc... i'm not even sure when that happens |
| 20:51.44 | cr2 | yes, you can do 'listen 9998' |
| 20:52.13 | cr2 | and connect a second session to 9998, where you can execute commands. |
| 20:53.25 | ali1234 | hmm... i'm getting chipid "3" now... which is new... but wrong. so now it isn't in reset mode but deep sleep mode |
| 20:53.39 | ali1234 | either that or i'm looking in totally the wrong place |
| 20:54.50 | cr2 | ali1234: why don't you check the spl ? |
| 20:55.06 | ali1234 | you mean the IPL? |
| 20:55.36 | ali1234 | IPL is all you get before the DOC is setup so it must have the correct code... i tried disassembling it but it didn't make a lot of sense to me |
| 20:56.03 | ali1234 | i have a theory though. i think reading the boot page might be putting it in reset mode |
| 20:56.12 | ali1234 | maybe that is what they mean by "boot detection" |
| 20:56.36 | ali1234 | so basically, i set it up but my tools can only read a linear block of memory... and so when it touches the boot page... it gets reset again |
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| 20:56.44 | RyeBrye | http://andblogs.net/2009/05/specs/ <-- MSM7200 specs |
| 20:56.46 | ali1234 | need to make better tools :) |
| 20:58.26 | cr2 | RyeBrye: 7200A ? |
| 20:58.39 | RyeBrye | It includes the 7200A |
| 21:00.00 | RyeBrye | it's 80-VA736-2-MSM7200-SoftwareInterface.pdf and 80-VE263-25-MSM7200A-BasebandTopics.pdf |
| 21:01.14 | RyeBrye | I'm working with someone else who is trying to get the USB OTG stuff working on the HTC Dream - the USB PHY on the Dream is apparently the SMSC USB3316 - we've got the datasheet for that SMSC USB3316 too if anyone wants it (they are a lot easier than Qualcomm - they will just email it to you if you ask) |
| 21:01.37 | Marajin | heh |
| 21:02.19 | cr2 | RyeBrye: the usb host is working on raph (in spl) |
| 21:03.03 | cr2 | RyeBrye: sounds good. |
| 21:03.21 | RyeBrye | There was a russian forum somewhere that had them sitting on it |
| 21:03.31 | RyeBrye | I think the KGB was involved |
| 21:03.55 | cr2 | outsourcing ? |
| 21:05.22 | cr2 | not publishing the specs is dumb anyway ;) |
| 21:06.54 | diogene31 | cr2, RyeBrye: Wow, specifications. A dream come true :) |
| 21:07.25 | cr2 | http://www.smsc.com/main/datasheets/3316db.pdf is lean on details |
| 21:07.49 | cr2 | diogene31: yeah, slowly. |
| 21:08.09 | RyeBrye | cr2 that's not the datasheet - they emailed the full one which is 76 pages or something |
| 21:08.12 | RyeBrye | I can post it if you want |
| 21:08.16 | RyeBrye | that's the "data brief" |
| 21:08.41 | cr2 | RyeBrye: yes, i understand it. |
| 21:09.08 | cr2 | RyeBrye: i'm busy with other things now. but your research sounds great. |
| 21:09.24 | RyeBrye | ok. I'll post the USB3316 datasheet for anyone else who cares |
| 21:10.39 | boli^ | can someone remind me what is required to turn the display the correct way up when running in landscape mode? (kaiser) |
| 21:10.55 | boli^ | is it a kernel option? or something in system.img? |
| 21:11.39 | RyeBrye | http://www.filedropper.com/usb3316cdsrev11211-05-08 |
| 21:11.46 | diogene31 | cr2: Yes, that's a brief. All the protocol dialogue managing the OTG is missing ... |
| 21:11.46 | RyeBrye | is the USB 3316 detailed datasheet |
| 21:16.23 | diogene31 | RyeBrye: Hi. Did you ask for help on the linux kernel usb mailing list ? |
| 21:16.41 | RyeBrye | No, I haven't |
| 21:16.47 | cr2 | omg. why does usbh need 8 data lines ?? |
| 21:16.49 | RyeBrye | I am not the one doing most of the legwork on this |
| 21:17.11 | RyeBrye | I'm just the spec monkey passing it off to a friend who has more driver experience than me |
| 21:18.29 | diogene31 | RyeBrye: Well, the driver writter should take a chance with linux-usb@vger.kernel.org. Developpers are always welcome to ask the specialist in there. |
| 21:19.08 | RyeBrye | Cool. I'll suggest he do that |
| 21:20.14 | cr2 | diogene31: the usn host support in raph100 spl is not taking a great amount of code. that makes a lot of hope |
| 21:20.30 | cr2 | s/usn/usb/ |
| 21:21.51 | diogene31 | cr2: That's certainly a good sign, even if I don't see how usb host code can fit in an spl. Usb host is tricky with all the timeslice issues, endpoint distribution, etc ... |
| 21:23.05 | cr2 | diogene31: they use it to connect an usb dongle (miniUSB stick?) |
| 21:23.54 | cr2 | so it may be a bit tricky to do full-blown otg. |
| 21:25.21 | diogene31 | cr2: If it's usb host in OTG mode, it's more simpler, and that makes way more sense. |
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| 21:25.39 | cr2 | ok |
| 21:26.27 | cr2 | aha |
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| 21:35.55 | cr2 | hm |
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| 21:40.56 | keyhive | hey all :] |
| 21:42.05 | cr2 | hi keyhive |
| 21:42.31 | keyhive | does anyone happen to know the name of a project that established a CLI-based session with the htc terminal? |
| 21:42.49 | keyhive | for linux, preferably ;] |
| 21:43.38 | cr2 | what is htc terminal ? |
| 21:44.05 | keyhive | i don't know the proper name for it, but it's what you'd connect to using putty on windows |
| 21:44.25 | keyhive | you know, where you talk to the phone on a lower level, in a session |
| 21:44.27 | Marajin | um, under linux wouldn't you just use telnet? |
| 21:45.08 | keyhive | Marajin: never thought of it. it's not obvious to me that it would just 'work' and know how to establish a session using usb. |
| 21:45.36 | keyhive | say i have an htc titan, would i not need some special driver to communicate with my phone as anything other than mass storage? |
| 21:47.11 | keyhive | nm, i'll just read the logs. |
| 21:47.41 | keyhive | [but if someone really wants to give an answer, i won't hold it against them] |
| 21:47.58 | Marajin | um, I'd suspect you need usbnet functioning first |
| 21:48.20 | keyhive | Marajin, thank you :] |
| 21:48.27 | keyhive | i'm just looking for a shove out the door |
| 21:48.30 | keyhive | 'preciate it |
| 21:49.20 | Marajin | Well I'm trying to guess at what you're doing, are you trying to get a telnet session to spl for some reason? |
| 21:50.51 | cr2 | Marajin: spl is usb-serial. you don't need telnet for it. cu/minicom |
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| 22:15.21 | Marajin | cr2: yeah I thought he wanted to telnet to a linux booted on the titan first |
| 22:15.27 | Marajin | then i figured he meant spl |
| 22:15.53 | boli^ | telnet bad |
| 22:15.55 | boli^ | ssh good |
| 22:16.10 | boli^ | verbs optional |
| 22:17.31 | ali1234 | what is the ssh equivalent of ctrl-] q? |
| 22:17.43 | ali1234 | (for when you crash the phone) |
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| 22:18.31 | boli^ | i suspect the ssh session would drop anyway, hypothetically |
| 22:18.38 | ali1234 | after about 2 days, yeah |
| 22:18.45 | boli^ | or just kill the ssh command from another window |
| 22:19.03 | Marajin | it does take a ludicrous amount of time for an ssh client to just drop |
| 22:19.09 | boli^ | ctrl-z might work, depending on how you're configured |
| 22:19.37 | boli^ | my clients are always configured to send keep-alives |
| 22:21.26 | boli^ | a side effect being that if the connection goes away, i'll know about it sooner |
| 22:25.26 | cr2 | ali1234: ~. |
| 22:25.56 | cr2 | ali1234: bad, always if you use 'cu' ;) |
| 22:26.01 | ali1234 | oh wow thank you :) |
| 22:27.35 | cr2 | ali1234: because ~. is the eascape sequence for cu too. |
| 22:31.23 | keyhive | well, what i'm actually trying to do is get a byte-by-byte copy of the titan flash memory space over to a ramdisk. |
| 22:31.41 | keyhive | i'm trying to copy the volume |
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| 22:35.25 | Swirlycurly | ? |
| 22:37.30 | Swirlycurly | any estimate on how long until it we will be able to use the sound, microphone, power management, and 3g/wifi |
| 22:37.59 | boli^ | on what |
| 22:38.11 | Swirlycurly | raphael |
| 22:38.32 | Swirlycurly | i have the 110 |
| 22:39.15 | boli^ | i dont know enough to be able to tell you |
| 22:39.56 | Swirlycurly | is there anything you can tell me about the development |
| 22:40.07 | boli^ | but im hoping 'they' finish bluetooth support on the kaiser first. |
| 22:40.19 | captnoord | can you specify the question |
| 22:40.20 | boli^ | i only know a little about the kaiser, because a kaiser is what i have |
| 22:40.34 | captnoord | and the raph |
| 22:40.39 | captnoord | will take some time |
| 22:41.01 | captnoord | and the best thing you can do |
| 22:41.05 | captnoord | is help the developers |
| 22:41.07 | Swirlycurly | i have the raph110, and i have been following android on it but there hasnt been an update on connect-utb for two months |
| 22:41.12 | boli^ | can someone remind me what is required to turn the display the correct way up when running in landscape mode? (kaiser) |
| 22:41.17 | ali1234 | Swirlycurly: you basically want everything to work... that has not yet happened on any reverse engineered phone that i know of |
| 22:41.38 | Swirlycurly | so will it ever work do you think? |
| 22:41.57 | captnoord | lol |
| 22:42.07 | captnoord | dude I suggest you go read of the forum and read the wiki about progress |
| 22:42.19 | captnoord | and you will be able to awnser that question yourself |
| 22:42.24 | Swirlycurly | ive been reading that shit for the past two months, and no updates |
| 22:42.34 | captnoord | then |
| 22:42.41 | captnoord | it will take long |
| 22:43.13 | Swirlycurly | alright, i kind of want to get my hands on a g1 but then i wont have my warranty.... |
| 22:43.15 | boli^ | if you're getting too impatient - go buy a g1 |
| 22:43.37 | captnoord | yup |
| 22:43.37 | Swirlycurly | except i have att, and 3g wont work on it, as far as i know. |
| 22:44.29 | Swirlycurly | u think it would be a good idea to go smash my phone, pay 50 for a new one and then sell it to buy a g1? |
| 22:44.37 | ali1234 | my advice is buy a normal phone that can be easily unlocked/tethered and an arm netbook |
| 22:45.03 | captnoord | mine buy a g1 |
| 22:45.19 | boli^ | i think asking a room full of people you don't know what to do with your fone is a little... odd |
| 22:46.03 | Swirlycurly | which arm netbook? |
| 22:46.09 | Marajin | woo, new musical keyboard |
| 22:46.26 | captnoord | highfives Marajin |
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| 22:48.50 | ali1234 | hmm... i think /dev/mem is lying to me |
| 22:50.19 | boli^ | waterboard it |
| 22:52.21 | ali1234 | does /dev/mem really give you access to the physical memory addresses, or is there more mmu stuff to fight with? |
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| 22:55.31 | ali1234 | the disk on chip presents a 0x2000 byte window in physical memory, which should contain the ipl, 0x800b, 0x1000b of 0s (when in reset), then the ipl again in the final 0x800b |
| 22:56.23 | cr2 | ali1234: ipl is at 0x0 ? |
| 22:56.26 | ali1234 | i can see that repeated over and over starting from 0x0 and up to 0x8000000 (which makes 128mb, the total amount of flash the device has) |
| 22:56.53 | cr2 | ali1234: you have mdoc ? |
| 22:57.13 | boli^ | i thought i found a short guide for compiling a kernel for kaiser somewhere recently |
| 22:57.16 | ali1234 | m-systems disk on chip g3 |
| 22:57.16 | boli^ | but i cant find it now |
| 22:57.23 | boli^ | can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 22:57.33 | ali1234 | i have the pdf which tells how it works also |
| 22:58.08 | ali1234 | but what is driving me crazy is when i read from those addresses in kernel code i get a different result than if i read them from /dev/mem |
| 22:58.46 | ali1234 | boli^: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BuildTheKaiserKernel |
| 22:59.09 | cr2 | ali1234: g3 has the 0x800 window at 0x0 |
| 22:59.20 | cr2 | ali1234: for ipl |
| 22:59.34 | ali1234 | yes and again at 0x1800 "to support devices which seek from the top of memory" |
| 22:59.39 | boli^ | thanks ali1234 |
| 22:59.48 | ali1234 | and 0x800-0x1800 is supposed to be the registers |
| 23:00.41 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_DiskOnChip |
| 23:00.48 | ali1234 | yeah i've read that :) |
| 23:01.21 | ali1234 | i see ipl at 0x0, 0x1800, 0x2000, 0x3800, 0x4000 ... etc all the way to 0x08000000 |
| 23:01.22 | cr2 | to read from data window you need to issue a lot of commands |
| 23:01.42 | cr2 | there is a docg3.c driver |
| 23:01.43 | ali1234 | cr2: yep, i know that, i'm trying to send the wake up command and read chip id |
| 23:02.23 | ali1234 | but whatever i do i get a bogus result for chipid - from /dev/mem it is always 0 |
| 23:02.26 | cr2 | it's a very well known part of any g3 ipl |
| 23:02.35 | ali1234 | and from kernel calls i get 3 |
| 23:02.49 | cr2 | it's even documented by m-systems |
| 23:03.09 | ali1234 | i know ... i have the doc... i can;t get it to work, which is why it's driving me crazy :) |
| 23:03.24 | Marajin | captnoord: just got a yamaha given to me, shoulda been 300ish UKP, got it free, they paid about 27.50 for it before gifting it to me.. It's nothing fancy but it's USB midi and nice sound so woo |
| 23:03.53 | cr2 | ali1234: what about making docg3.c work ? |
| 23:04.04 | ali1234 | i didn't know it existed until just now :) |
| 23:04.10 | ali1234 | i will give it a try if i can find it |
| 23:04.14 | captnoord | nice :D |
| 23:04.24 | captnoord | damn i'm getting tired..... at lanparty and shit |
| 23:04.32 | Marajin | yerp :) can get rid of my decade old casio |
| 23:04.47 | cr2 | ali1234: it may need a patch for the mdoc size. (hardcoded now) |
| 23:04.52 | ali1234 | Marajin: hmm i know somebody in manchester who was selling a yamaha recently :) |
| 23:06.44 | ali1234 | cr2: any clue where i might find it? |
| 23:10.14 | Marajin | ali1234: oh? |
| 23:10.27 | Marajin | ali1234: this came from leeds AFAIK |
| 23:23.23 | cr2 | ali1234: docg3.c ? |
| 23:23.37 | ali1234 | i think it's in the ba kernel? getting the cvs now |
| 23:24.22 | ali1234 | artemis has some g3 stuff too but it looks incomplete and i think babelo said he never got it to work |
| 23:32.42 | cr2 | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/linux/kernel26/arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcuniversal/docg3.c |
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