| 00:01.51 | lavender-t | that'd be great. i really dont care about what to use but as long as we have one :) |
| 00:03.02 | dcordes_ | I thought about htc-linux.org with some news blog/planet or so, wiki.htc-linux.org with mediawiki, forums.htc-linux.org with some forum, bugs.htc-linux.org with bugzilla |
| 00:05.26 | lavender-t | yeah that'd be very nice. |
| 00:08.33 | dcordes_ | lavender-t: any ideas on that setup? I don't know if mediawiki is best. it has to be something with easy table editing |
| 00:10.55 | dcordes_ | need some sleep. some ideas/coments would really be nice. bye |
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| 00:43.18 | tmzt | lavender-t: what are you working on now? |
| 00:51.44 | swc|666 | dcordes_, do you know if USB Host Mode / USB Gadget is possible on the diam/raph? |
| 00:51.52 | swc|666 | is the hardware there |
| 00:59.55 | tmzt | host is not the same as gadget |
| 01:00.16 | tmzt | it is not known if host can work on raph/diam, google has provided no support for that |
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| 01:33.41 | swc|666 | i'm not running google on mine |
| 01:33.55 | swc|666 | i'm porting debian to it |
| 01:34.03 | swc|666 | android is crap |
| 02:21.43 | lavender-t | tmzt: i'm trying to see if i can make the audio work ... |
| 02:59.19 | Perkka_ | mornin |
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| 03:39.08 | tmzt | swc|666: I mean their kernel source doesn't support it |
| 03:39.42 | swc|666 | yea i see |
| 03:39.43 | swc|666 | :/ |
| 03:40.35 | AstainHasPS3 | hiya |
| 03:40.39 | AstainHasPS3 | whats up tmzt |
| 03:41.45 | tmzt | hey |
| 03:42.19 | tmzt | grand conference on msm? is that what I was reading? |
| 03:42.35 | AstainHasPS3 | huh? |
| 03:43.37 | tmzt | oh, htc-linux.com |
| 03:43.46 | tmzt | .org |
| 03:44.28 | tmzt | have you ever had the hard kbd stop workin? |
| 03:44.48 | tmzt | hard reset hasn't fixed it |
| 03:45.10 | tmzt | it just happens andvI have to reboot |
| 03:45.25 | AstainHasPS3 | nope never had that |
| 03:46.05 | tmzt | something with microp maybe |
| 03:49.33 | AstainHasPS3 | uhm I don't see anything on mainpage of htc-linux.org |
| 03:49.59 | AstainHasPS3 | atleast anything about msm |
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| 05:47.35 | Untouchab1e | Good morning |
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| 05:57.15 | Balsat_ | Morning Untouchab1e |
| 06:01.11 | Untouchab1e | Hi mate |
| 06:01.20 | Untouchab1e | or, good morning! |
| 06:01.29 | marajin_ | morning Untouchab1e |
| 06:01.50 | Untouchab1e | Hi marajin! :D |
| 06:02.07 | marajin_ | Untouchab1e: drat, looks like it's binder that's crashing android 1.0 |
| 06:02.17 | Untouchab1e | ? |
| 06:02.37 | marajin_ | I've been tinkering with android on my xperia |
| 06:02.41 | marajin_ | I can boot 0.8 fine |
| 06:02.42 | Untouchab1e | Balsat, have you read lavender.t's post over at htc-android.com regarding his experience after giving rpc and audio a go? |
| 06:02.52 | marajin_ | 1.0 hangs part way in the boot |
| 06:02.55 | Untouchab1e | ah, yeah I read about that.. Seems they cant get 1.0 Running :/ |
| 06:02.58 | marajin_ | but it seems to be binder |
| 06:03.00 | Balsat_ | nope not yet |
| 06:03.37 | Untouchab1e | But 0.8 runs fine, with full wvga even, right? |
| 06:03.48 | marajin_ | nod |
| 06:03.49 | Untouchab1e | Balsat, maybe you can fill in some blanks for him? |
| 06:03.49 | Balsat_ | I'am off to work... looking later |
| 06:03.53 | marajin_ | It does |
| 06:03.54 | Untouchab1e | ah ok :) have a great one |
| 06:04.00 | Balsat_ | u2 |
| 06:04.01 | Untouchab1e | marajin, well that's promising at least |
| 06:04.06 | marajin_ | Untouchab1e: tis |
| 06:04.13 | marajin_ | looks great in wvga btw :p |
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| 06:05.16 | marajin_ | Maybe I should try 1.1 or 0.9 |
| 06:05.16 | marajin_ | grin |
| 06:05.26 | marajin_ | gah.. spent too long on a MUD today |
| 06:06.27 | marajin_ | Anyway, yeah there's definitely hope for android working ok on the kovsky |
| 06:06.37 | marajin_ | We may need to fix the upside down screen though ;) |
| 06:07.17 | Untouchab1e | hahaha |
| 06:07.26 | Untouchab1e | Or you could just use your phone upside down ^^ |
| 06:07.46 | Marajin | yes, I shall shout into the earpiece and listen to the microphone, won't that work well? |
| 06:07.50 | Marajin | -.- |
| 06:08.03 | Marajin | It's probably a trivial fix anyway |
| 06:08.21 | Untouchab1e | haha |
| 06:08.25 | Untouchab1e | most likely, yeh |
| 06:08.26 | Untouchab1e | btw.. |
| 06:08.37 | Marajin | the sad thing is, 1.0 used to boot on the kovsky but that kernel doesn't have the colour fix |
| 06:08.46 | Untouchab1e | Android in WVGA, do you have any chance of managing to drag down the notification curtain with your finger? |
| 06:08.53 | Marajin | ponder |
| 06:09.00 | Marajin | gah.. see, MUDs they do this to you |
| 06:09.03 | Marajin | ponders. |
| 06:09.07 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 06:09.10 | Marajin | I didn't try but it should be doable yeah |
| 06:09.17 | Marajin | it works perfectly with the stylus |
| 06:09.32 | Marajin | the bar is maybe 1mm thick on the kovsky screen |
| 06:09.44 | Marajin | small, but if you're careful, fingertouchable using nail/tip |
| 06:09.56 | Untouchab1e | Well, it works fine with the stylus on the Touch Pro as well (VGA), but I have a really hard time dragging it down, even when using my nail |
| 06:10.14 | Marajin | Perhaps it's the TS not working 100% |
| 06:10.23 | Untouchab1e | Dont know how easy it would be to kinda increase the touchable area in order to drag down the curtain, as it is a feature I use a lot of my G1 |
| 06:10.26 | Untouchab1e | Maybe.. |
| 06:10.45 | Untouchab1e | But seeing as it works fine with the stylus.. |
| 06:10.45 | Untouchab1e | I reckon it's just the stylus |
| 06:10.51 | Untouchab1e | just the high resolution* |
| 06:11.03 | Marajin | the raph is capacitive TS though right? |
| 06:11.22 | Untouchab1e | No way |
| 06:11.24 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 06:11.34 | Untouchab1e | No Windows Mobile device I know of has a capacative screen |
| 06:12.44 | Marajin | I think you'll find the diamond is, so I expect so is the raph |
| 06:12.58 | Untouchab1e | No.. The Diamond also has a resistive touch screen |
| 06:13.17 | Untouchab1e | The G1 was the first HTC Device with a (Synaptics) Capacative Touch Screen |
| 06:15.01 | Marajin | heh, no it does have capacitive tech but it's on the touch wheel at the bottom rather than the screen I recall |
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| 06:16.01 | Untouchab1e | Well yeah, it does have a capacative navi-wheel, as does the Touch Pro, but it definetly does not have a Capacative Touch Screen :) |
| 06:16.25 | Marajin | well not so much the wheel but the whole bottom chunk aroudn the wheel is capacitive I thought |
| 06:16.42 | Untouchab1e | Well, basically :) |
| 06:16.50 | Untouchab1e | I just didnt know what the call it ^^ |
| 06:16.52 | Marajin | woo for having a multitouch pad and making no use whatsoever of it |
| 06:16.59 | Untouchab1e | haha.. yay! |
| 06:17.17 | Untouchab1e | Apple would probably sue HTC for using their patented Multi Touch technology though |
| 06:17.55 | Marajin | Apple do not own the patent to multitouch |
| 06:17.59 | Marajin | it is used in many devices |
| 06:18.07 | Untouchab1e | no, but they like to think they do |
| 06:18.37 | Marajin | If they were going to sue HTC they'd have to sue HP first, as I seem to recall HP sell desktops with multitouch |
| 06:18.40 | Untouchab1e | they forced Google and HTC to leave out multi touch on teh G1 |
| 06:18.50 | Marajin | it's a favoured demo model for multitouch on Windows 7 |
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| 06:19.08 | Marajin | hah, someone'll work it out I guess |
| 06:19.46 | Marajin | Sad thing is, the diamond/raph pad evidentally does work as multitouch if someone could write the stuff to read it properly and do something about it |
| 06:20.55 | Marajin | It's annoying that they can't invent a touchscreen tech that kinda .. 'does it all' |
| 06:21.07 | Marajin | even in tablet PCs they usually BS it by having two completely independant techs |
| 06:21.20 | Marajin | so they'll have resistive + active digitizer wacom thing |
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| 06:27.39 | J4k3 | just booted linux on my apache, suprising performance... just kinda useless since I need to use the device as a phone :( |
| 06:29.04 | Marajin | J4k3: well keep your fingers crossed that someone works out the modem for that device |
| 06:29.55 | Marajin | morning tcccp |
| 06:31.21 | J4k3 | ahh, htc isn't friendly to the cause? |
| 06:33.15 | Marajin | Er, no |
| 06:33.18 | Marajin | no they're not |
| 06:33.28 | Marajin | at best they merely ignore it |
| 06:33.35 | J4k3 | shame |
| 06:33.47 | Marajin | I concur |
| 06:39.13 | Marajin | J4k3: but fret not, we get there regardless |
| 06:39.29 | Marajin | the vogue/kaiser/polaris/etc. have been pretty fortunate |
| 06:39.45 | Marajin | and the diamond/raphael/blackstone/kovsky are making progress |
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| 06:41.52 | Marajin | wb kiozen |
| 06:42.10 | Untouchab1e | Why HTC decided to keep Android devices cheap and ugly while their Windows Mobile devices are so awesome beats me.. |
| 06:42.38 | Marajin | Untouchab1e: eh because their android devices are bespoke and not designed to be sold under the HTC badge |
| 06:42.38 | Untouchab1e | I have never seen such poor design quality from HTC as the G1.. |
| 06:42.48 | Marajin | the G1 is fucking ugly yeah.. |
| 06:42.53 | Marajin | the g2 isn't much prettier |
| 06:43.07 | Untouchab1e | Its not that its just ugly, but the build material and quality control is so much worse its scary |
| 06:43.14 | Marajin | heh |
| 06:43.24 | Untouchab1e | One would think that a different company made it |
| 06:43.26 | Marajin | meh HTC screw each device up in some unique way |
| 06:43.31 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 06:43.33 | Untouchab1e | but not like that |
| 06:43.45 | Marajin | the whole line of MSM devices have been shafted by the MSM chipsets |
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| 06:44.11 | Marajin | the kovsky had the cracking issue, the hermes had the slider breaking, the kaiser had the tilt breaking |
| 06:44.39 | Marajin | No doubt there's some quality issue somewhere in the diamond and raphael too |
| 06:45.04 | Untouchab1e | hehe |
| 06:45.08 | Untouchab1e | I am sure, but still.. |
| 06:45.20 | Untouchab1e | I havent held the X1, but I hear it feels good and solid! |
| 06:49.03 | Marajin | it does feel solid |
| 06:49.16 | Marajin | it's quite a lot of metal in the casing |
| 06:49.26 | Marajin | the whole battery cover is solid metal for example |
| 06:49.50 | Marajin | as is the front panel |
| 06:49.52 | Untouchab1e | See? Thats HTC for you.. |
| 06:49.57 | Untouchab1e | the G1 on the other hand.. |
| 06:49.58 | Untouchab1e | lol |
| 06:50.02 | Marajin | I would say there's more metal than plastic on the outcasing of the X1 |
| 06:50.14 | Untouchab1e | Lovely! |
| 06:50.26 | Untouchab1e | If the X1 ran Android, it would be the perfect device |
| 06:50.36 | Marajin | however the coating rubs and the battery cover scuffs easily and so on |
| 06:50.36 | Marajin | grin |
| 06:50.42 | Marajin | so you have to protect your device |
| 06:50.50 | Untouchab1e | InvisibleShield FTW! |
| 06:50.59 | Marajin | I don't feel like it'd break of course, I just feel like it'll look crappy |
| 06:51.11 | Marajin | but yeah if X1 ran android fully it'd rawk |
| 06:51.31 | Marajin | even though the X1 has no accelerometer, digital compass or capacative pads anywhere |
| 06:51.34 | Marajin | grins. |
| 06:51.41 | Untouchab1e | Whats the batterytime on it? |
| 06:52.05 | Marajin | iunno, I tend to hammer it regularily so it's not a good judge |
| 06:52.28 | Marajin | I think in raw talktime/standby time it'd be high |
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| 06:52.58 | Marajin | but I have a tendency to be messing with high CPU load and wifi and such a lot |
| 06:52.58 | Untouchab1e | Correction: IF the X1 ran Android AND had a Capacitive Touch Screen it would be the perfect phone ^^ |
| 06:53.05 | Marajin | heh |
| 06:53.12 | Marajin | a flush capacitive touch screen! |
| 06:53.52 | Untouchab1e | flush.. as in? |
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| 06:54.29 | Marajin | Untouchab1e: there's no er.. seam.. bump... indent around the screen = flush |
| 06:54.36 | Marajin | like raphael, diamond, g1 |
| 06:55.02 | Untouchab1e | ah, right |
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| 09:43.16 | dcordes-kais | tmzt yea big conference. any thoughts on that? |
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| 10:00.08 | jayaraj | hi guys i am using HTC P3400i, and wots the status of linux for HTC PDAs...?? I really wish to see Tux running on my PDA. |
| 10:21.08 | dcordes-kais | jayaraj wots p3400i? (check http://wiki.xda-developers.com ) |
| 10:22.47 | jayaraj | dcordes-kais, its a low end PDA from HTC. http://www.htc.com/sea/product.aspx?id=47022 |
| 10:23.27 | dcordes-kais | what's the codename? |
| 10:24.37 | jayaraj | dcordes-kais, ah.. Gene |
| 10:42.32 | dcordes-kais | jayaraj it's a ti omap850 device. I don't know if any specific kernel code for gene is present |
| 10:42.53 | dcordes-kais | ali1234 or other #linwizard people might help |
| 10:45.00 | jayaraj | dcordes-kais, hmm.. |
| 10:45.55 | jayaraj | dcordes-kais, do you know any tool to backup the rom. so that i can restore my wm6.0 if i get messed up? |
| 10:47.15 | dcordes-kais | no clue check xda wiki/forums |
| 10:47.37 | dcordes-kais | oh you mean messed up booting linux? |
| 10:50.55 | dcordes-kais | it's hard to destroy something doing that unless you have writeaccess to nand |
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| 13:25.53 | tcccp | Marajin: Morning! (0626hrs here) |
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| 13:29.20 | AstainHellbring | morning |
| 13:48.59 | dcordes | ~seen cr2 |
| 13:49.02 | apt | cr2 <n=cr2@ip-90-186-72-234.web.vodafone.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 1d 14h 37m 13s ago, saying: 'good night'. |
| 13:49.30 | Marajin | tcccp: bit late there :P |
| 13:50.23 | Marajin | tcccp: I said 'lo like 8 hours ago or something |
| 13:50.27 | Marajin | hey dcordes |
| 13:50.31 | dcordes | heya |
| 13:51.08 | Marajin | looks like it's binder that crashes android 1.0 |
| 13:51.25 | dcordes | *_* |
| 13:51.45 | Marajin | there's a message about a binder fail right before the hardlock |
| 13:51.56 | dcordes | that sucks |
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| 13:57.13 | Marajin | dcordes: it does.. also the rootfs for raphael dies but I didn't have time to bother checking why yet. |
| 14:11.23 | kri5 | hello there |
| 14:11.56 | kri5 | does anyone knows what developpement is needed in blackstone port? |
| 14:12.31 | Marajin | kri5: most everything apart from framebuffer/touchscreen/booting |
| 14:12.47 | Marajin | kri5: I think sd/flash works |
| 14:14.09 | Marajin | kri5: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlackstoneLinux |
| 14:17.30 | kri5 | Marajin: i already see this page, but i does not seem to be updated often, and i also wanted to know if there was a kind of bugtracker or todolist? |
| 14:17.35 | Marajin | I guess blackstone isn't doing too badly, once they crack sound you should be cooking with gas |
| 14:17.55 | Marajin | kri5: it's only a few days since the last update, all effort since has been on sound with no success yet |
| 14:18.51 | kri5 | Marajin: ok, i heard about sound purpose, but what about virtual keyboard, i already tested this version, but with no keyboard, and also what about pin? |
| 14:19.27 | kri5 | Marajin: I'm not just tester, i'm developer too, and i want to have some more information to get involved into devel :) |
| 14:19.28 | Marajin | pin doesn't work you have to disable it in WM first |
| 14:19.52 | Marajin | virtual keyboard.. well the build I use for kovsky has a kernel onscreen moveable touch screen keyboard so you can use it pre and post booting |
| 14:20.03 | Marajin | if you use the cupcake build you should get an android built in soft keyboard |
| 14:20.12 | Marajin | (the G2 needs it, g2 has no keyboard in hardware) |
| 14:20.12 | kri5 | ok |
| 14:20.23 | kri5 | yep that's true |
| 14:20.45 | kri5 | i'll see if i have some time to devel on it |
| 14:20.49 | Marajin | I vaguely remember it worked in the kaiser cupcake version so should work fine on blackstone too |
| 14:23.43 | kri5 | Marajin: ok i'll take a look on it |
| 14:23.55 | Marajin | kri5: See the picture from the 2009-02-24 update on that page? that's the kernel keyboard, if you find the right zImage you should get that |
| 14:26.27 | kri5 | Marajin: thanks, i'll go searching good image of android |
| 14:27.15 | Marajin | kri5: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlackstoneLinux#Runningx20.Androidx20.1x2e.0 <-- cupcake build/instructions here |
| 14:27.21 | Marajin | g'luck |
| 14:30.29 | kri5 | Marajin: thanks a lot |
| 14:31.06 | Marajin | no worries |
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| 14:38.26 | jayaraj | hi guys, can anyone tell me hows the linux for Gene is coming along? |
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| 14:40.18 | Marajin | jayaraj: dunno off hand but it's an omap850 so it may be supported by linwizard? |
| 14:59.37 | jayaraj | Marajin, linwizard .. hmm. |
| 15:05.20 | jayaraj | Marajin, linwizard dont need flashing.. thats interesting.. so its safe to tryout i think.. |
| 15:14.15 | Marajin | jayaraj: most linux ports to HTC devices don't need flashing |
| 15:15.15 | jayaraj | Marajin, ic.. do i have more options? i've been googling for a while and the results are too noisy |
| 15:16.19 | AstainHellbring | http://www.htc-android.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=173 |
| 15:16.22 | AstainHellbring | very interesting |
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| 15:21.07 | Marajin | jayaraj: for omap850? I dunno, maybe if ali1234 is around or something he can give you more info |
| 15:22.17 | jayaraj | Marajin, ok. thanks :) |
| 15:23.41 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: indeed so.. |
| 15:24.10 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: I've been wondering why they're having such issue with sound in calls on the blackstone cause from what I remember the Kaiser/Vogue/etc. it happened almost instantly by automatic |
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| 15:24.49 | Marajin | wb Untouchab1e |
| 15:26.10 | AstainHellbring | yah I been wondering same thing for TP |
| 15:29.38 | Marajin | well they're all the same basic chipset so it's bizarre that the .. wossit called, AMSS? |
| 15:29.44 | Marajin | is seemingly so different |
| 15:33.19 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: ...wow bizarre news about WM7 |
| 15:34.16 | AstainHellbring | huh Marajin? |
| 15:34.35 | AstainHellbring | what about wm7? |
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| 16:07.37 | eway | hi all |
| 16:13.12 | Perkka_ | ewo |
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| 16:25.06 | dcordes | ellis: hello |
| 16:26.13 | ellis | hi dcordes |
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| 17:16.25 | Untouchab1e | hi |
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| 17:19.17 | Marajin | hey Untouchab1e |
| 17:19.34 | DJWillis | wonders if there is anyone in the chan working on WiFi for the ti1251? Could use someone familiar with things to chat to. |
| 17:21.43 | dcordes | DJWillis: all I know is we have the driver loading on the msm7*A devices |
| 17:21.57 | dcordes | and get an iface which we can't up |
| 17:22.51 | Marajin | hey dcordes |
| 17:22.55 | dcordes | heya |
| 17:23.00 | DJWillis | dcordes: ahhh, that sounds like you are not bringing the driver up correctly, I wanted to talk to someone about the wireless extentions side (hit a snag that another pair of eyes could most likely fix in no time). Who was working on it? |
| 17:23.22 | Marajin | dcordes: so xmoo says you've gotta wait 3 weeks for your kovsky back? :( |
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| 17:33.06 | dcordes | Marajin: the waiting for kovsky to return part is right. I don't know where mo got the 3 weeks from tho |
| 17:33.21 | dcordes | DJWillis: I think maejrep was workign with it |
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| 17:33.27 | dcordes | others might have reconstructed it |
| 17:33.44 | Untouchab1e | Thought NetRipper was working on the WiFi driver? |
| 17:33.49 | dcordes | don't know where I have my patch |
| 17:35.20 | DJWillis | dcordes: is the patch public? Is it based off Android or the Pandora driver? I may also have some other bits I could share with an interested dev. |
| 17:36.15 | Untouchab1e | DJWillis, which device are you working on? |
| 17:38.02 | dcordes | DJWillis: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/diffs/git-diff_htc-msm-2.6.27_add-ti1251.diff |
| 17:39.02 | dcordes | DJWillis: it does nothing but including the ti1251 from googlegit and adding a Makefile/Kconfig entry iirc |
| 17:39.34 | dcordes | I don't know if it's the uptodate driver and if it still applies to the htc-msm-2.6.27 branch (the branch we use for the A cpus) |
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| 17:40.43 | tcccp | Marajin: *grins* I'm in US_AZ at the moment ;-) |
| 17:41.42 | Marajin | tcccp: any excuse :P (another few hours later) |
| 17:42.06 | Marajin | dcordes: btw, with the kaiser/vogue/etc didn't call sound work near automatically? |
| 17:42.12 | DJWillis | Untouchab1e: Hermes, Kaiser, Raph and I did the work on getting the TI1251 driver going on the Pandora console and I am cleaning up Wireless extentions support as that is totally missing from Android (it does not really need it anyway but normal Linux can make good use of it). |
| 17:43.04 | dcordes | Hermes, Kaiser, Raph and I rofl ^^ |
| 17:43.20 | Untouchab1e | Cool |
| 17:43.32 | dcordes | DJWillis: I'm trying to figure if they changed something about the patch to get the iface up |
| 17:43.48 | DJWillis | dcordes: ?? Bad phrase? |
| 17:44.00 | DJWillis | dcordes: no firmware loaded = no work ;-) |
| 17:44.04 | Untouchab1e | Dont know if you have heard, but we started a development forum yesterday.. or set up a development section anyhow.. the Android for Raphael topic over at XDA is useless and we dont have any other communication channel (except irc).. The git doesnt really have any recent updated info either |
| 17:44.22 | dcordes | DJWillis: it sounds like they're your fellow pandora hackers |
| 17:44.44 | Marajin | Untouchab1e: someone already even posted a link from that forum in this chan :p AstainHellbring in fact. |
| 17:44.49 | tcccp | Marajin: Hey, I'm working...erm.. |
| 17:44.54 | tcccp | nevermind ;-) |
| 17:45.02 | dcordes | Untouchab1e: then we have race/competition conditions right now |
| 17:45.10 | Marajin | tcccp: quite ;) |
| 17:45.27 | Marajin | I think everyone should be forced to come into this IRC room! ;) |
| 17:45.35 | Untouchab1e | dcordes, what you mean? |
| 17:45.45 | Marajin | we'd get faster response to development questions and more crossovers between devices |
| 17:45.48 | Marajin | nods sagely. |
| 17:45.51 | dcordes | Untouchab1e: about the communication platform |
| 17:45.53 | DJWillis | dcordes: got you ;-) |
| 17:45.58 | Untouchab1e | How so? |
| 17:46.09 | tcccp | apropos "race" |
| 17:46.16 | tcccp | found a nice license plate |
| 17:46.20 | DJWillis | dcordes: what sort of init script are you using for wifi? You could try the Pandora one. |
| 17:46.22 | tcccp | erm, placeholder |
| 17:46.33 | tcccp | "I'm not speeding, I'm qualifiing" |
| 17:46.45 | tcccp | make that /ii/yi/ |
| 17:46.48 | Untouchab1e | And yeah, the IRC is great.. But it cant store information, so people who want to read up on the audio\speaker development on the Raph for instance cant really get answers on the IRC as easy as on a forum |
| 17:46.55 | tcccp | afk, coffeee |
| 17:47.06 | Marajin | tcccp: best idea you've had today that! ;) AFK for same |
| 17:47.06 | dcordes | DJWillis: I think none. we should certainly try that. unfortunately I have no A device personally. only got the kaiser right here |
| 17:47.21 | Marajin | Untouchab1e: dude, this channel is automatically archived to the web |
| 17:47.35 | AstainHellbring | DJWillis what would I need to try the pandora wifi methods? |
| 17:47.36 | Marajin | Untouchab1e: ergo, stores info and is searchable |
| 17:47.38 | DJWillis | dcordes: and? |
| 17:47.53 | tcccp | Marajin: My iPaq running DebianARM will DDoS your cellphone for that! |
| 17:47.58 | Marajin | Untouchab1e: but IRC + a well maintained wiki! |
| 17:48.00 | tcccp | lulz - see you at the coffeemaker :-P |
| 17:48.17 | DJWillis | AstainHellbring: well an init script, all the tools build (wlan_cu and ideally ti_loader) and the firmware. It works fine for us. |
| 17:48.18 | dcordes | DJWillis: I had no luck compiling the ti1251 in our non a branches so far |
| 17:48.19 | Marajin | tcccp: could it take out a kovsky? I'll call my kaiser/hermes for backup ya know! |
| 17:48.36 | dcordes | DJWillis: hold on I did. after I ripped off all of the trout references |
| 17:48.47 | DJWillis | dcordes: got you, my own hacking is off my own tree that is it in shitty state ;-) |
| 17:48.49 | Untouchab1e | Well, if you find a irc log as organized as a forum or wiki then Im impressed ^^ |
| 17:49.00 | Marajin | Untouchab1e: grep baby, grep! |
| 17:49.43 | DJWillis | Untouchab1e: I once found an awesome script that could wikiise bits of IRC logs, that was cool in context. |
| 17:50.30 | Untouchab1e | haha |
| 17:50.31 | Untouchab1e | :) |
| 17:50.55 | DJWillis | AstainHellbring: dcordes: Init script, http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openpandora.oe.git;a=blob_plain;f=recipes/pandora-system/pandora-wifi/rc.tiwifi;h=afb3b7de7e157b3ba56314163cab77821a62077d |
| 17:50.58 | Untouchab1e | Still, I see a forum and wiki + irc a better alternative than irc + wiki only |
| 17:51.14 | DJWillis | Untouchab1e: no question about that. |
| 17:51.48 | AstainHellbring | DJWillis looks like that requires the wifi as a module huh? |
| 17:52.12 | dcordes | apt: htc-linux.org is the future central platform of communication for htc-linux related development, mainly focussing on the linux kernel. |
| 17:52.12 | apt | dcordes: okay |
| 17:52.51 | Marajin | Untouchab1e: yeah I'm joking, forums have their place, but I think more people should be in the IRC room too |
| 17:53.21 | dcordes | apt: what is htc-linux.org? |
| 17:53.21 | apt | i heard htc-linux.org is the future central platform of communication for htc-linux related development, mainly focussing on the linux kernel. |
| 17:53.31 | tcccp | Does a HP 2133 count as reinforcement? |
| 17:53.39 | dcordes | apt: good boy |
| 17:53.39 | apt | dcordes: :) |
| 17:53.43 | Untouchab1e | htc-linux.org as it is now is pretty outdated and old though |
| 17:53.44 | DJWillis | AstainHellbring: yep, there is no way you can use the 1251 as a non module really without hacks, well actually, you can, just don't insmod but you still need to load the firmware. We keep it as a module, easier to take in and out. |
| 17:54.24 | dcordes | DJWillis: it's a modeule in the (above) patch we used |
| 17:54.39 | Marajin | tcccp: Erm, more like army mascot I think ;) |
| 17:55.13 | DJWillis | dcordes: yep, I noticed that but assumes AstainHellbring wanted it in the image :-o (not sure why mind you) |
| 17:55.51 | AstainHellbring | DJWillis just easier if you want to take a prebuilt system image and throw your kernel at it |
| 17:56.00 | tcccp | Marajin: :-P C'mon, it has a VIA processor. This normally isn't enough firepower to have it in cellphones *hahaha* |
| 17:56.19 | Marajin | tcccp: yes fear that 1.2 via! |
| 17:56.49 | tcccp | mine has 1.6 Gigahurts (C7-M) |
| 17:56.50 | Marajin | tcccp: but enough silliness, we shouldn't disrupt when people seem to be having a genuinely useful technical discussion |
| 17:56.57 | DJWillis | AstainHellbring: well in my experance the 1251 is shitty in image and really does not play nice (never bothered to get to the bottom of it as it is not a big deal on the Pandora). |
| 17:57.13 | AstainHellbring | ahh ic |
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| 17:57.28 | tcccp | Marajin: Aye ;-) |
| 17:58.18 | dcordes | lupine_85: feel like trying the ti1251 patch along with DJWillis' init scripts? |
| 17:58.18 | DJWillis | tcccp: typing this from my 1.2 2133 ;-) |
| 17:58.31 | Marajin | tcccp: So drink your coffee and start coming up with brilliant ideas! I expect to see you reverse engineer WebOS3.0 by midnight and have it running on all the HTC devices by morning! |
| 17:58.38 | tcccp | DJWillis: typing this from my 1.6 2133 (Gentoo GNU/Linux) |
| 17:58.53 | tcccp | Marajin: Do I need windows for that? |
| 17:59.04 | DJWillis | dcordes: if the build system is Angstrom I have recipies for most stuff that could be worked into the HTC stuff. |
| 17:59.05 | Marajin | tcccp: I don't see why, WebOS3.0 is linux based. |
| 17:59.16 | tcccp | ah, okay |
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| 17:59.30 | tcccp | I'll hack it as soon as my VMS machines are back up again |
| 17:59.37 | Marajin | heh |
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| 17:59.50 | Marajin | that'll be good going since no device officially runs it yet :P |
| 17:59.53 | Marajin | hey captnoord |
| 18:00.03 | captnoord | I did that on purpose::P |
| 18:00.04 | captnoord | hey |
| 18:00.16 | tcccp | I guess we had a power surge in germany. Both VMS machines -> down |
| 18:00.32 | dcordes | DJWillis: nice. have local OE readily available |
| 18:01.22 | DJWillis | dcordes: well the overlay stuff is in our GIT is you wanted to hack off it. |
| 18:02.28 | Marajin | tcccp: Damned unreliable german power huh? |
| 18:02.44 | tcccp | Marajin: Erm...no power surge |
| 18:02.58 | tcccp | My cron daemon fires up one emulated instance of a VMS machine |
| 18:03.06 | tcccp | @reboot |
| 18:03.44 | tcccp | Well - restarting the cron daemon or rebooting the whole iron...doesn't make any difference so I had two VMS machines accessing the same nvram, disk etc. were running |
| 18:03.48 | dcordes | DJWillis: I will have a look at it and see if I understand what it's about at all |
| 18:04.21 | DJWillis | ;-) |
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| 18:09.38 | dcordes | DJWillis: |
| 18:10.19 | dcordes | pandora-wifi_git.bb fetches ti1251 from your repo and patches the omap kernel you use? |
| 18:10.40 | dcordes | so this is the part we already have available |
| 18:10.52 | dcordes | for the A htcs |
| 18:10.58 | DJWillis | dcordes: it builds it out of tree, there is a little hack, pandora-wifi-tools may be more of interest. |
| 18:11.08 | dcordes | yea |
| 18:11.32 | DJWillis | I have to clean it up and merge it all when I get wext all going. |
| 18:12.23 | Marajin | tcccp: sounds fun |
| 18:12.59 | dcordes | DJWillis: we could make it global so it can be also used for the msm htcs in Oe |
| 18:14.34 | dcordes | wlan_cu tiwlan_loader |
| 18:15.01 | dcordes | DJWillis: does all of this work with org.oe.dev HEAD ? |
| 18:16.03 | DJWillis | dcordes: if the driver gets used outside the Pandora then it should be cleaned up, happy to host the MSM mods in our Pandora tree. Yep, most of that can be shited to something generic. Nope, the Pandora stuff is side by side with oe.dev not over the top. |
| 18:16.17 | DJWillis | bbl |
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| 18:45.13 | DarkNet | Anyone awake? |
| 18:49.12 | Marajin | DarkNet: Nope, all dead^?^?^?^? Sleeping |
| 18:50.29 | eway | all dead sleeping or working |
| 18:54.55 | Marajin | eway: same difference! |
| 18:55.42 | Perkka_ | slowly dissolving into soil |
| 18:57.24 | DarkNet | well just in case. I am looking to do some work on the titan/android port. just looking for someone to point me in the right direction as in repositories and configs. |
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| 18:58.03 | Perkka | should probably check on http://htc-android.com/viewforum.php?f=12 |
| 18:58.16 | Perkka | newly started |
| 19:01.00 | DarkNet | a little too new me thinks. will keep up with it though for future posts. |
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| 19:19.15 | Marajin | DarkNet: Pretty sure the titan is just linked into the kaiser/vogue/polaris dev |
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| 19:28.15 | DarkNet | can anyone point me to the location of htctitan_defconfig? |
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| 19:37.03 | dcordes | DarkNet: arch/arm/configs |
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| 19:43.17 | Untouchab1e | Good evening |
| 19:43.18 | Untouchab1e | :) |
| 19:44.40 | Marajin | wb Untouchab1e |
| 19:44.56 | DarkNet | Marajin: would like to be a little more sure then that. I checked with Magister's site and I still think I am missing a few things. htctitan_defconfig |
| 19:46.11 | Marajin | you have an OE set up? |
| 19:47.00 | DarkNet | I believe so. |
| 19:47.20 | Marajin | and it doesn't sort itself out if you set htctitan as your device? |
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| 19:49.20 | DarkNet | What is to sort out? I do not have an option to setup device as htctitan. |
| 19:50.00 | dcordes | DarkNet: in openembedded? |
| 19:56.34 | DarkNet | I'll be back... Fargo is a pain in my ass these days.. |
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| 20:29.05 | eway | evenin all |
| 20:29.49 | eway | just setting up a wiki on htc-linux for those that are intrested |
| 20:31.38 | eway | htc-linux.org/wiki/ |
| 20:33.55 | DarkNet | dcordes: forget openembedded. thats another matter. I can't find htctitan_defconfig in the get repository? am I looking in the wrong one? |
| 20:34.33 | dcordes | DarkNet: probably you are not in the htc-vogue branch |
| 20:35.39 | DarkNet | dcordes: I don't have much experience with git so that is a good posibilty. |
| 20:36.39 | DarkNet | git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git <- that is the repository I belive I am using. |
| 20:39.41 | Marajin | that's not OE, that's android |
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| 20:39.42 | Marajin | DarkNet: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started |
| 20:40.46 | DarkNet | Marajin: dcordes:I am confused. Do I "need" openembedded to work with the titan/android port? |
| 20:41.14 | dcordes | no |
| 20:41.37 | dcordes | the titan kernel is here http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-vogue |
| 20:43.41 | Marajin | nah Open Embedded is for building images of everything but android actually heh |
| 20:44.13 | Marajin | but it will build the kernel? |
| 20:44.57 | DarkNet | true. but I seem to be a retard at git. |
| 20:46.03 | Marajin | all you have to is is git checkout |
| 20:46.13 | Marajin | er git clone rather |
| 20:49.20 | DarkNet | thats what I thought, but do I merge the vogue changes into the android branch that I currently have or keep separate? |
| 20:49.47 | Marajin | erm no I think you just clone the linuxtogo branch and use that exclusively |
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| 21:08.12 | DarkNet | dcordes: Marajin: thx, I think I may be getting somewhere now. |
| 21:08.34 | dcordes | DarkNet: somebody put a nice howto to build the kaiser kernel in xda wiki |
| 21:09.57 | exco | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BuildTheKaiserKernel |
| 21:10.24 | DarkNet | dcordes: is that to be used as a reference or is the kaiser kernel what is used in the titan? |
| 21:10.30 | DarkNet | thx exco. |
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| 21:12.54 | Untouchab1e | Good evening |
| 21:13.04 | dcordes | DarkNet: you should be able to use that exact howto. only replace vogue_defconfig with htctitan_defconfig |
| 21:13.12 | eway | evenin |
| 21:13.26 | DarkNet | thx |
| 21:14.42 | DarkNet | would it be recommended to use the toolchain that comes with android or download the chain listed on the wiki? |
| 21:24.25 | exco | DarkNet, dcordes: no, you use vogue_defconfig |
| 21:24.59 | exco | if you do exactly what the wiki tells you ... it works |
| 21:25.12 | exco | (so use that toolchain) |
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| 21:28.13 | exco | the thread on xda-devs is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2261403 (kaiser, nike, polaris and titan use vogue_defconfig and the kernel works on all those devices simply by changing the default.txt - particularly the mtype) |
| 21:30.43 | DarkNet | either way.. as long as I have a place to start. thx |
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| 21:54.34 | dcordes | brb |
| 21:56.24 | eway | bbiab |
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| 22:13.32 | tre9 | I'm trying to build the h5000 kernel and modules with wifi support. |
| 22:13.47 | tre9 | Anyone know what I need to change in .config to get wifi? |
| 22:15.21 | dcordes | are you using the hh.org kernel? |
| 22:16.02 | tre9 | yes, got it from CVS. |
| 22:16.23 | tre9 | I had to comment out a couple lines in 5400.h |
| 22:16.52 | dcordes | does it use the acx100 driver? |
| 22:17.08 | tre9 | I'm not sure. How can I find out? |
| 22:17.39 | dcordes | don't know much about that device |
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| 22:21.46 | tre9 | I tried enabling acx in make menuconfig. I got a lot of link warnings and it gave an error. |
| 22:24.12 | tre9 | can I tell from the #includes here? http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/linux/kernel26/arch/arm/mach-pxa/h5400/h5400_wifi.c?rev=1.12&content-type=text/plain |
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| 22:30.25 | dcordes | tre9: looks like you need to enable IPAQ_H5400_WIFI |
| 22:30.29 | dcordes | config |
| 22:30.53 | dcordes | according to http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/linux/kernel26/arch/arm/mach-pxa/h5400/Kconfig |
| 22:32.01 | tre9 | ah, thank you. |
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| 22:37.39 | tre9 | I had to enable USB_OHCI_HCD to get that to appear. Building now. |
| 22:39.27 | dcordes | yea it seems to be connected to usb |
| 22:41.35 | tre9 | great! h5400_wifi.ko appears. |
| 22:41.38 | tre9 | thank you. |
| 22:47.59 | tre9 | should I write this up for a wiki somewhere or submit a patch for defconfig? |
| 22:57.32 | ellisway | i see your making changes already |
| 23:34.53 | tmzt | AstainHellbring: wifi is working or your just talking about how it would work |
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| 23:45.22 | dcordes | tre9: it can be put on wiki.htc-linux.org |
| 23:46.27 | tmzt | hey |
| 23:46.35 | tmzt | usb wifi on a pda? |
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| 23:55.51 | dcordes | tmzt: ok it makes no sense on the second thought :) |
| 23:56.07 | dcordes | why does it need the ohci_hcd tho? |
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| 23:59.49 | Marajin | dcordes: woo, my OE builds zImages fine at least |