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00:49.01marajinjessica_lilly: I can't be positive but I'm sure I've heard mentions of the elf in here before
00:51.28marajinjessica_lilly: most certainly its CPU is supported so you're in with a fair chance of there having been some work on the device
00:52.34ali1234we have the gsm working enough to get a ppp internet connection now
00:52.46ali1234still no sound though
00:53.02marajinali1234: you're working on elf?
00:53.10ali1234omap850, they are all the same
00:53.13marajinheh
00:53.21marajincool, I just found some mention of android booting on it
00:53.29marajinI guess jessica_lilly got distracted though
00:54.20ali1234the only differences are the display timings and gpio mappings which are all easily reversed
00:55.29marajinI'd guess someone already did half of that if they have android booting
00:55.57ali1234yes, at least display
00:56.42marajinyup
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05:15.04marajinmorning Untouchab1e
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05:24.16marajin'lo
05:28.57Untouchab1eGood morning Marajin
05:29.00Untouchab1ehow's your weekend been?
05:29.27marajinpeaceful Lo
05:29.29marajin:p
05:29.32Untouchab1ehehe
05:30.32marajinBest way for a weekend to be if you ask me
05:30.40Untouchab1emost definetly
05:33.36marajinheh :)
05:33.38marajinhow about yourself?
05:35.28Untouchab1epretty good
05:35.34Untouchab1ealthought I have to run off to breakfast now :)
05:35.35Untouchab1ebbl :)
05:35.37Untouchab1echeers
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08:17.20IamSOGum...
08:17.50IamSOGso can I complie my own let's say pidin and run it ?
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08:48.50Abracadabragood morning
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09:07.22Sleep_Walkergood morning
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10:26.40Untouchab1eHi all
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10:51.21Sleep_WalkerBabelO: hi, in the end I used some miska's (our hack&dev OE builder) image and got Qtopia working!
10:51.33Sleep_Walkernot yet GSM communication, but first step is done
10:52.57Sleep_WalkerBabelO: can I use some scripts for initializing GSM chip and audio?
10:54.04Sleep_Walkerand I can't see terminal application by default, and it looks like they removed multitasking... (can't play tetris, make note, continue playing) can be this enabled somewhere?
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11:55.23BabelO_Sleep_Walker: if you took the blueangel qtopia image, or the artemis qtopia image, you can do all of this
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12:23.09dcordesIamSOG: on your phone?
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12:26.14Untouchab1eHi again
12:26.15Untouchab1e:)
12:27.13dcordeshi Untouchab1e
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12:40.41Untouchab1ehi dcordes
12:40.45Untouchab1ehow's it going?
12:40.49Untouchab1e:)
12:52.14Sleep_WalkerBabelO: ok, I'll try - I had problems in universal image that there was no "menu" entry so I gave up
12:53.15BabelO_Sleep_Walker: what is your screen resolution ?
12:53.36Sleep_Walker320x320 - classical Palm
12:53.44BabelO_hmm
12:53.57BabelO_try this one too http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcartemis/qtopia/
12:54.03BabelO_it is for 320x240
12:54.07Sleep_Walkerit's for Palm Treo 680 (and then 650 too)
12:54.11Sleep_Walkerok
12:54.39Sleep_WalkerI'll just save my diffs and will try to apply
13:04.12BabelO_Sleep_Walker: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393973
13:04.29BabelO_this is my image for artemis with software in
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14:46.37AstainHasPS3morning
14:46.57bagpuss_thecatmorning
14:47.41bagpuss_thecatwaits for Android to copy from SD to RAM on his Touch HD
14:47.52bagpuss_thecatbloody Transcend cards :-/
15:03.54marajinmorning AstainHasPS3
15:13.20AstainHasPS3whats new marajin?
15:15.39marajinAstainHasPS3: Finally attempting to boot android on my kovsky
15:15.51marajinof course it locks up mid boot but hey
15:16.05AstainHasPS3nice
15:16.32captnoordnice nice
15:16.55captnoordmarajin: lcd working?
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15:19.59marajincaptnoord: it does
15:20.07marajincaptnoord: so does TS
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15:25.38captnoordnice nice nice
15:25.49captnoordso that part works fine
15:25.58captnoordor at least
15:25.59captnoordit works
15:27.06captnoordi'm having fun
15:27.18captnoordmy social enginering posts on my telco's forum kinda works
15:27.49captnoordhow made the compartiment of car breaks and a phone rom.
15:28.19captnoordif you buy a car in a dealership and they don't have proper breaks.... you goto a diff people to put good breaks on it....
15:28.44captnoordbut does that violate .........
15:28.47captnoordhmmmm
15:28.58marajinheh
15:29.00marajinno it doesn't
15:29.24marajinwooo, android 0.8 boots fully and displays full WVGA!
15:29.32captnoordand also is the dealership required to put good breaks on it......
15:29.33captnoordlol
15:29.36captnoordnice nice nice nice nice
15:31.07captnoordmarajin: needed much change?
15:31.24marajincaptnoord: nope, they're not required to but you don't get shafted if you get it done later
15:31.42marajinheh, well not really, it's pretty much blackstone stuff right now
15:31.52captnoordnice nice nice.........
15:31.54marajinpre colourfix it would boot 1.0 so I dunno what happened there
15:32.04captnoordhehe
15:32.42captnoordif in the contract is noted that your care has proper breaks
15:32.51captnoordyou need to check whats the definition of proper breaks
15:32.52captnoord:P
15:32.54captnoordand check
15:32.58marajinwell yeah
15:33.23marajinbut frankly cars can have two plum puddings as brake drums and it's still technically legal
15:33.36captnoordin the US yea
15:33.38captnoordhere not
15:33.53marajinIt's pretty well known that some cars have had brakes so bad that they'd stop you.. once.. after that you needed new brakes :P
15:34.08marajinI'm not in the US captnoord  :P
15:34.21captnoordhehe
15:34.22captnoordk
15:34.31captnoordhehe
15:34.33marajinit's legal in pretty much every country
15:34.46captnoordhmm here you need to get a MOT
15:34.50captnoordand its checked
15:34.52captnoordbad breaks
15:35.00captnoordand your forced to get new
15:35.05marajinWell, yes but only after 3 years here
15:35.05AstainHasPS3many places in US its not legal either
15:35.06captnoordif not
15:35.15captnoordhehe
15:35.16captnoord:P
15:35.30marajina new car is automatically MOT'd till its manufacturer warranty expires AFAIK
15:44.50Sleep_WalkerBabelO: that looks far better, thanks
15:45.08Sleep_Walkersame approach on your image was good way
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16:48.02marajindcordes_: boo
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18:21.13raven_marekj methos
18:26.12marekjHi, I am trying to take up the work of a guy who brought a kernel to boot on a Samsung SHG-i780 which has a ARM 920T PXA311 cpu. The kernel boots and reports the following on the console: usb 2-1: new high speed USB device using dummy_hcd and address 2 ifconfig: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device # usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from g_ether ga    dget: high speed config #1: CDC Ethernet (ECM) usb1 (cdc_ether): n
18:26.12marekj<PROTECTED>
18:29.10marekjthe ifconfig: SIOCSIFADDR message comes from my initrd ifconfig call with which I attempted to simply raise a usb0 interface
18:29.36marekjin the /proc directory the file devices lists a usb character device
18:30.27marekjthe X86 host connected to the phone via usb cable does not report anything in the syslog, the usbnet driver is loaded on the host
18:30.51marekjcould you point me to something I missed or could do to verify the usb network driver ?
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19:28.46dcordes_~hail lupine_85
19:28.47aptACTION bows down to lupine_85 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
19:28.47dcordes_http://linuxtogo.org/we-have-a-new-sponsor
19:28.50lupine_85hee :)
19:28.50lupine_85(it's thomas :p)
19:28.50AstainHasPS3w00t for lupine_85
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19:52.52Untouchab1eGood evening
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20:08.55dcordes_mickeyl: ping
20:09.06mickeylyo
20:09.08marajindcordes_: yi
20:09.11marajindcordes_: yo even
20:09.22dcordes_yo mickeyl, marajin
20:09.57dcordes_mickeyl: did you do any raphael related work lately? I've seen you commenting on the lack of suspsend
20:10.20mickeylyes, i did quite a lot of work
20:10.27mickeyland my frustration rised slightly
20:10.31mickeyldue to the lack of implemented things
20:10.33Untouchab1eany significant progress?
20:10.35Untouchab1ehehe
20:10.35mickeylor non-standard stuff
20:10.51dcordes_framework related?
20:10.55mickeylno, kernel
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20:11.30mickeyli kind of miss suspend/resume, charging, power class, backlight class, [not to speak of wifi and bluetooth]
20:12.01dcordes_guess you need to poke maejrep
20:12.33Untouchab1eI have to get in hold of maejrep.. havent had any luck recently
20:13.13dcordes_maybe cr2 has some research updates waiting to be used in the kernel code
20:13.40dcordes_we should also merge with upstream
20:14.55dcordes_mickeyl: what kind of progress did you make?
20:15.52Untouchab1ebtw, did NetRipper eventually make the WiFi driver work?
20:16.36mickeyldcordes_: mostly GSM, added another parser for HTC violations, added support for two proprietary URCs, etc.
20:17.03dcordes_looks like I need to pull framework.git
20:18.41dcordes_so I can test on kaiser
20:19.53mickeylmost of all i miss a coordinating entity. i have no idea who i can poke with my problems or whether anyone is caring at all
20:20.07mickeyli'd really wish htclinux was more like openezx
20:21.02Untouchab1eIt was easier before when we had more people actively working on it
20:21.11Untouchab1ethey have gone more and more quiet lately though
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20:30.36marajindcordes_: did you see that xmoo finally got some files uploaded for kovsky android?
20:30.49marajindcordes_: 1.0 won't start, it freezes but 0.8 starts and is even in full wvga
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20:35.59dcordes_marajin: honestly I don't care too much for the android userspace
20:36.07dcordes_it
20:36.33dcordes_it's likely the same zImages I uploaded months ago
20:38.23dcordes_it would be more interesting to see if git head works on the kovsky
20:38.23dcordes_htc-msm-2.6.27
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20:42.55mickeyli had to roll back a couple of revs
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20:50.59Sleep_WalkerBabelO: could I bother you a bit more?
20:51.06Sleep_WalkerI'd like to find out how can I set up which driver should be used for backlight (currently it tries to access generic-bl through /sys)
20:52.18Sleep_WalkerI'd like to set up properly keyboard (it's ignoring whole qwerty)
20:52.49marajin_dcordes_: maybe. Nice to see it boots at all though.. display is fine apart from being upside down and TS is definitely working
20:53.28marajin_dcordes_: did your zImage have the colour fix?
20:54.11marajin_dcordes_: and maybe webos will tempt you more than android? :> Wonder if we can steal it and hack it off the Palm pre
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20:56.29marajin_what was the rotate command? fb_conrotate= ?
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20:56.53marajin_fbcon:rotate1 ?
20:57.06mickeylfbcon:rotate=1
20:57.07marajin_fbcon=rotate:1 even
20:57.08marajin_yeah
20:57.12mickeyldoesn't seem to work initially here
20:57.20mickeylworks by setting it manually
20:57.26mickeylafter boot
20:57.31marajin_it worked on the kaiser
20:57.32BabelOSleep_Walker: you need to recompile your one qtopia
20:57.50Sleep_WalkerBabelO: I was afraid you'd tell me that
20:58.13Sleep_Walkerit's weird that it can't be set during runtime
20:58.30BabelOSleep_Walker: you have to took the qtopia toolchain available somewhere, i works well for any arm device
20:59.06BabelOSleep_Walker: i only compile driver i need and i ve made drivers just for artemis and blueangel
20:59.22marajin_I'll try it and see what happens on kovsk
20:59.41BabelOSleep_Walker: http://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git
20:59.47BabelOthe git of latest
21:00.00BabelOand should be better than the version you have
21:00.12marajin_hmm didn't seem to work
21:00.13Sleep_WalkerBabelO: is it easier or harder to compile it separately or within OE?
21:01.22BabelOI always build it outside OE because it was easier with the provided toolchain
21:01.35BabelOnow i remember that some people do it with OE too
21:01.45BabelOmaybe you can found some bb package
21:02.39Sleep_Walkerok, I'll follow your recommendation, thanks
21:04.24BabelOSleep_Walker: download the openmoko
21:04.37Sleep_Walkerworth of try?
21:04.41BabelOfrom here http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=7
21:04.53BabelOi mean the openmoko / freerunnner toolchain
21:05.05BabelOtoolchain fo in /opt
21:05.08BabelOadd it to your path
21:05.22BabelOthen  building qtextended from here should be fast :)
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21:19.15BabelOSleep_Walker: build step are here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_4.4.2
21:19.34Sleep_WalkerBabelO: you're very kind
21:19.58BabelOSleep_Walker: you don't need the patch or other stuf, just look in device directory
21:20.05BabelOi think there is a pxa270 stuff
21:20.48BabelOit took 9minutes to build qtextented on my computer :)
21:21.22BabelOgood night
21:21.31Sleep_WalkerBabelO: with toolchain you mean cross compiler?
21:21.41Sleep_WalkerI already have at least two installed :b
21:21.45BabelOyes cross compiler
21:21.55BabelOinstall this one
21:22.15BabelObecause it contain needed library for qtextended
21:22.20BabelOand some options
21:23.30Sleep_Walkerok
21:23.36Sleep_Walkerthank you and good night
21:23.38BabelOgood night
21:23.40Sleep_Walker(see you tomorrow)
21:24.32Sleep_WalkerI really like this guy... very kind and helping
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22:25.32lavender-thello folks
22:27.09Untouchab1ehey lavender :D
22:27.26Untouchab1eheard you have been working on the raph speaker\audio?
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22:27.49lavender-ti tried just these few days
22:28.01Untouchab1ecool.. any progress? :)
22:28.04lavender-tgot stuck in the crash
22:28.27lavender-trpc looked to be working
22:28.35Untouchab1ehmm
22:28.36Untouchab1ecool
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22:29.00Untouchab1eI was thinking.. I feel that the different developers aren't communicating and noone really knows what the others are doing and such
22:29.00lavender-tbut when i did the audio enable
22:29.20lavender-tthe system hang
22:29.23Untouchab1eah..
22:29.58lavender-tyeah ... i'd been off for a long time dealing with my business
22:30.27Untouchab1eAnyways.. I was thinking, would a dedicated forum or something be any point? I know we could use XDA, but there we only have one dedicated topic.. If we have a forum with a development section split into the various devices..
22:30.49Untouchab1eI already have htcandroid up and running and could easily set up a new section
22:30.57lavender-tjust came back this couple of days. so i lost track where we are,
22:31.02lavender-tyeah good idea
22:31.18Untouchab1eMe too, and since no one seems to be posting any progress anywhere, I have no clue what people are up to ^^
22:32.00Untouchab1eSo, I think a place to discuss the various elements of the porting project would be handy.. but there is no point if people wont use it... if you think its a good idea though, I will set it up right now
22:32.11captnoordlead by example
22:33.08Untouchab1eand by that you mean?
22:33.53captnoordI mean the reason why people don't comment a lot in big projects is because no one does..... The reason why no one posts progress is because people hardly post progress......
22:33.57captnoordso
22:34.07captnoordwhat I mean is... if you post your progress
22:34.20captnoordand people start to worship you...
22:34.28captnoordother developers want that to
22:34.40captnoordand they will post progress to
22:34.49captnoordhoping to get groupies
22:35.01ali1234hahaha
22:35.08ali1234you're not a developer are you?
22:35.13captnoordI am.....
22:35.14captnoord:P
22:35.21captnoordnot a linux kernel developer
22:35.30lavender-ti think we were talking about a dedicated topic for development.
22:35.50captnoordUntouchab1eI was thinking.. I feel that the different developers aren't communicating and noone really knows what the others are doing and such
22:35.58ali1234the reason people don't post progress is because if you even mention you made some progress on driver X, you immediately get people asking you "does it work yet?" constantly, every day
22:36.08lavender-twe have one in xda but that later became floods with howto questions
22:36.14Untouchab1eexactly..
22:36.17lavender-tkind of hard to manage
22:36.18captnoordali1234: I know...........
22:36.21Untouchab1eNow.. I have tried to manage this issue..
22:36.45Untouchab1eFirst, i started htcandroid forums which was supposed to act as a support forum where non-developers can get help on getting the current progress running..
22:36.49captnoordI had the same problem with a old project of mine.... the forum got so flooded I stoped using it.....
22:37.07Untouchab1eHowever, I realize that the xda topic now doesnt really serve any real purpose except for people asking if it works yet..
22:37.36Untouchab1eSo I was thinking maybe creating a development section on htcandroid as well.. I am fairly confident that it would be kept clean of unncessary posts, because that would go into the support section
22:38.01captnoordgood good
22:38.01captnoordnah
22:38.04captnoordnn all
22:38.08captnoordbed is calling
22:38.14Untouchab1ehehe, night captnoord
22:38.15Untouchab1ehave a good one
22:38.21captnoordthanks
22:38.24captnoordI kinda need it......
22:38.31captnoordfreaking soft bed of my girl
22:38.32captnoorddamn
22:38.42captnoordits like sponge bob
22:38.43captnoordnah
22:38.45captnoordbye bye
22:38.54lavender-tgoodnite
22:39.19Untouchab1ehehe
22:40.00lavender-tfrom the git i could see some progress
22:40.13lavender-tbut that was like 2 weeks ago
22:40.38lavender-tmaejrep said he was cleaning up some code
22:41.07Untouchab1eYeah
22:41.14Untouchab1eI have been following the git as well, but it has kinda died out
22:41.32Untouchab1eSo even though I have fallen behind on the coding bit, I will do my best to keep this project going..
22:42.05lavender-tcool :)
22:42.30Untouchab1ehttp://htc-android.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=170
22:42.40Untouchab1eHere is what I am thinking
22:45.07Untouchab1eOn one hand, I want to seperate the Diamond and the Raph, but on the other hand.. they are similar
22:45.21lavender-tsounds great. i think i will write up a bit what i found about rpc and the audio where i was stuck
22:45.30Untouchab1eWould be fantastic
22:46.09Untouchab1eI know of quite a few developers who really want to join in the project, but I couldnt really point them to anything else than the git which was lacking.. so they didnt want to start up from scratch
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22:46.48ALoGeNohi
22:46.52Untouchab1ehi
22:47.05ALoGeNohey Untouchab1e
22:48.20lavender-tyeah i think it is still ok we keep diamond and raph together.
22:49.10Untouchab1eYeah, I think so too
22:50.12lavender-ti remember jobo or someone else once wrote up a brief howto about setting things up.
22:51.07lavender-tnew devs will have to go thru the pain of compiling things and run in their own devices.
22:51.37Untouchab1eyeah, if we can find it again, we can post that up on the boards as well.. Hopefully, by keeping things simple and clean, it will be much easier to follow and contribute on development
22:51.58Balsat_A howto for building the kernel?
22:52.07Untouchab1eFor instance..
22:52.15Untouchab1eOk.. the forums are up.. any additions or changes needed? (Htc-android.com)
22:52.18Balsat_http://balsat.servehttp.com/index.php?howto
22:52.37Untouchab1enice one!
22:52.45Untouchab1eWe can like to that then.. with your permission?
22:53.54lavender-toh yeah, awesome balsat !
22:54.36Balsat_You can link, or just copy the text!
22:54.43Untouchab1efantastic.. great
23:00.53lavender-tUntouchab1e, what's the link to the forum ?
23:01.07Untouchab1ehtc-android.com
23:10.29dcordes_I didn't read everything. my 2 cents: I would find a bug tracker and forum useful, both only kernel related and in one place.
23:11.10Untouchab1ehi dcordes.. thanks for the input
23:11.19Untouchab1eI will make sure that the forums will be development related only..
23:11.28Untouchab1eHopefully, it will be clean and easy to use.. and useful
23:11.54dcordes_I want to put something on htc-linux.org
23:12.15Untouchab1ehmm
23:12.29Untouchab1enever used that site I think
23:13.35dcordes_it has nothing but a mirror of the htcpxa stuff. nothing msm related there as of now
23:13.59Untouchab1eI see
23:18.07Untouchab1ewell, I have set up the forums now.. If its usefull than thats great, and if not then at least we tried ^^
23:20.24lavender-thi dcordes_, long time no see :)
23:22.07Untouchab1e^:)
23:22.14Untouchab1ehave you seen J0b0 around lately?
23:23.37lavender-tthe devices listed on htc-linux.org are very old ones ...
23:23.45Untouchab1every old indeed
23:23.59Untouchab1eSite doesnt seem especially up to date
23:24.07Untouchab1eOh well.. I really should get some sleep now ^^
23:24.37Untouchab1eIf you think of something to add to the forums to give it a good start, feel free :D
23:24.38lavender-talrighty untouchable, good nite !
23:24.46Untouchab1eI will spread the word about it tomorrow
23:25.07Untouchab1esee if we cant draw inn Maejrep, J0bo, NetRipper and all the others to share their thoughts and work :D
23:25.47lavender-tyeah that'd be awesome
23:25.56Untouchab1eIndeed :D
23:26.07Untouchab1eoh well.. have a good evening and see you soon!
23:26.15lavender-tbye
23:54.36dcordes_lavender-t: true, good to see you back
23:59.34lavender-twhat are you guys busy at now ?
23:59.37dcordes_all: would be nice to have some more views on a central htc-linux development platform. as I mentioned above, I would want at least a bug tracker and forum. wiki would be useful, too.

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