| 00:00.39 | aum | hmm |
| 00:01.02 | aum | sweet |
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| 00:05.37 | marajin | there's variations but nearly all of them should be capable of running android natively with some drivers |
| 00:06.07 | marajin | I think every HTC in the last 18 months- 2 years has been an MSM7xxx chipset |
| 00:10.46 | aum | i don't mind having to find or edit drivers to get it working |
| 00:10.54 | aum | so long as i can make calls and send/receive data |
| 00:11.33 | aum | it seems that (according to androidonhtc.com) for the most part, both calls and data are somewhat working |
| 01:06.16 | tmzt | marajin: /win1 |
| 01:07.47 | tmzt | marajin: got xoffed again, how is the raph800 going? |
| 01:08.11 | AstainHasPS3 | tmzt not seen any updates in a bit |
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| 04:43.17 | marajin | tmzt: I dunno, I don't have a raph800? |
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| 05:03.46 | tmzt | marajin: huh? |
| 05:03.54 | tmzt | oh, maejrep |
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| 05:10.41 | tmzt | mick*: fbcon rotate is a .config option, whether it works on msm I don't know |
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| 05:11.48 | tmzt | it's easier to use usbnet for testing, image bringup, but then your used to fr and I have no idea how you do unix stuff on there if X crashes |
| 05:15.49 | tmzt | mickey_jaw: |
| 05:34.01 | marajin | tmzt: I have a kovsky :P |
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| 06:03.52 | swc|666 | whats interesting is when i build a kernel from linuxtogo, and when i make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- INSTALL_MOD_PATH=`pwd`/dest vmlinux modules modules_install , I get no kernel modules?!? |
| 06:04.24 | swc|666 | err |
| 06:04.25 | swc|666 | make zImage ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- INSTALL_MOD_PATH=`pwd`/dest vmlinux modules modules_install |
| 06:04.40 | swc|666 | err |
| 06:04.45 | swc|666 | no modules |
| 06:04.48 | swc|666 | ++ |
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| 06:24.48 | lavender-t | hallo |
| 06:27.21 | lavender-t | looks like a friday late nite :) |
| 06:30.40 | swc|666 | tgi(mf)f |
| 06:32.12 | madCoder- | swc|666: did you configure anything to be compiled as a module? i believe everything is compiled into the kernel by default (at least in the htc-msm-2.6.27 branch) |
| 06:32.56 | swc|666 | i did |
| 06:33.01 | swc|666 | {M} |
| 06:33.15 | swc|666 | too odd.. i'll try again in the morning |
| 06:37.48 | lavender-t | madCoder-, guess you are maejrep ? |
| 06:38.43 | madCoder- | yes |
| 06:39.08 | maejrep[h] | that's annoying.. |
| 06:39.15 | maejrep[h] | my [w] client took my [h] nick :p |
| 06:39.26 | lavender-t | ha, good to talk to you :) what's up ? |
| 06:39.38 | maejrep[h] | work :/ |
| 06:39.55 | maejrep[h] | interesting times |
| 06:39.55 | lavender-t | i've been swamped for quite a while |
| 06:40.14 | maejrep[h] | yeah it'll probably be a good 2-3 weeks before my current projects start clearing up |
| 06:40.44 | lavender-t | what are you working on now ? anyone's on the audio ? |
| 06:41.14 | maejrep[h] | no, audio is going to require rpc first, and afaik we haven't even proven that we can communicate with rpc at all yet |
| 06:41.42 | lavender-t | last couple of nights i played a bit with it |
| 06:41.50 | maejrep[h] | get anywhere? |
| 06:42.13 | lavender-t | the rpc looks to be working, at least to some degree i think |
| 06:42.33 | maejrep[h] | yeah? |
| 06:43.14 | lavender-t | at least it gave back error status if the VERS was not correctly set. |
| 06:43.26 | lavender-t | oh some detail |
| 06:43.32 | swc|666 | maejrep[h], something i've meant to look into, how about usb gadget status? |
| 06:43.55 | lavender-t | i added some code to send a HELLO after the rpcrouter initialization |
| 06:44.11 | maejrep[h] | not sure what usb gadget really is, tbh |
| 06:44.15 | lavender-t | then quite a bunch of rpc remote server showed up. |
| 06:45.10 | swc|666 | usb gadget = usb host mode.. the abiltiy to have host/slave for external usb peripherals |
| 06:45.44 | maejrep[h] | so to plug some other usb device into the phone, and have the phone treat it as a peripheral? |
| 06:45.58 | swc|666 | the phone would be the host, yes |
| 06:46.07 | swc|666 | its in the kernel, but needs some small things |
| 06:46.13 | swc|666 | if the hardware even allows |
| 06:46.14 | maejrep[h] | yeah, have not tried it |
| 06:46.34 | swc|666 | i'm 99.9999999999999% sure the hardware module is there |
| 06:46.44 | swc|666 | for daim/raph*00 |
| 06:46.50 | maejrep[h] | afaik the only thing that can really be used as a peripheral on the phones even in windows is the HTC 2W headset, etc |
| 06:47.39 | swc|666 | right |
| 06:48.01 | swc|666 | its the same hardware module iirc |
| 06:49.03 | swc|666 | not the same device, but similar http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host |
| 06:49.16 | swc|666 | in theory re the hardware |
| 06:49.56 | maejrep[h] | yeah couldn't tell you :x |
| 06:50.31 | maejrep[h] | i'm actually pretty new to mobile hardware ... this is the first phone i've gotten to dive into like this |
| 06:51.10 | swc|666 | i'll find out once i get my 2nd raph (going to disassemble my current one soon when i get the other) and will look at the internals |
| 06:51.15 | swc|666 | nice |
| 06:51.46 | swc|666 | maejrep[h], are you a student? |
| 06:52.23 | swc|666 | or an engineer? |
| 06:56.07 | lavender-t | alrighty dudes, i hope there is a way to trace rpc easily in wince :) |
| 06:56.57 | lavender-t | too late tonight ... off i go ... good nite folks. |
| 06:59.59 | maejrep[h] | i don't think there is (easily) |
| 07:00.17 | maejrep[h] | swc|666: neither, i'm a web developer by day |
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| 07:02.02 | swc|666 | maejrep[h], heh.. my old trade :s |
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| 11:44.51 | orux | hi all |
| 11:46.46 | orux | does anyone know what amss version black/raph/diam have? older than 6210, newer than 6225, completely different? |
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| 16:48.28 | marajin | yo |
| 16:48.36 | captnoord | yo |
| 16:48.40 | captnoord | damn i'm tired |
| 16:48.54 | captnoord | how's life here? |
| 16:49.15 | marajin | Why're you asking me, you live there :P |
| 16:49.28 | captnoord | here as in this channel |
| 16:49.32 | captnoord | anything happend |
| 16:49.40 | marajin | I know, I'm just deliberately misreading the context |
| 16:49.45 | marajin | anyway, um not that I know of |
| 16:49.57 | marajin | bit of look some kovsky efforts are going to kickstart today though |
| 16:50.39 | captnoord | hmmm nice to hear |
| 16:50.40 | captnoord | :D |
| 16:51.21 | captnoord | I just read yesterday that M$ won't make the update to 6.5 availible to me trough the telco's |
| 16:51.32 | captnoord | because my phone doesn't have a windows logo |
| 16:51.33 | captnoord | :S |
| 16:51.35 | captnoord | pukes |
| 16:55.51 | marajin | Didn't they say no one would get an official WM6.5 update? |
| 16:55.54 | marajin | like no one at all |
| 16:56.07 | captnoord | I dono..... |
| 16:56.07 | marajin | new handsets that ship with it only |
| 16:56.23 | captnoord | i've been feeding manupulative posts on my telco's forum |
| 16:56.40 | captnoord | yea |
| 16:56.43 | captnoord | quite possible |
| 16:56.43 | captnoord | :S |
| 16:56.49 | captnoord | the thing is..... |
| 16:56.52 | marajin | it doesn't make sense cause 6.5 is a BS release |
| 16:57.00 | captnoord | bullshit? |
| 16:57.01 | captnoord | or |
| 16:57.04 | captnoord | BS |
| 16:57.04 | captnoord | ? |
| 16:57.09 | marajin | it's just a stall till early 2010 when 7 gets released |
| 16:57.13 | marajin | Bullshit yeah |
| 16:57.17 | captnoord | yup |
| 16:57.37 | captnoord | I don't think I ever get a phone with windows mobile 7 on it |
| 16:57.43 | captnoord | I switch to a android phone |
| 16:57.46 | captnoord | next time |
| 16:58.00 | ianto | If the Android phones have good hardware by then |
| 16:58.15 | captnoord | hmmm they have good anough hardware to run it |
| 16:58.16 | marajin | ianto: they won't the G2 is just the g1 sans keyboard |
| 16:58.33 | ianto | marajin: heh, fail don't you think? |
| 16:58.43 | captnoord | but the driver implementations suck |
| 16:58.43 | captnoord | :P |
| 16:58.56 | marajin | from the looks of it palm's pre/webOS is going to kick android/iPhone |
| 16:59.01 | captnoord | not really... you release a god ugly phone that everybody wants to have..... |
| 16:59.02 | captnoord | then |
| 16:59.07 | captnoord | you make it looking nice |
| 16:59.16 | captnoord | and money making machine part 2 comes in |
| 16:59.28 | ianto | keyboard = essential |
| 17:02.07 | marajin | android without keyboard is.. no no |
| 17:02.18 | marajin | if the pre was WVGA with a full keyboard I'd sooo get one |
| 17:02.25 | marajin | have you watched the big video demo they did? |
| 17:04.45 | ianto | I haven't seen it |
| 17:06.02 | marajin | ianto: I can find you the youtube link if you like but it's an hour long I warn ya |
| 17:07.54 | marajin | ianto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw3cHOEnwTw |
| 17:08.18 | ianto | Heh I have a meeting soon so perhaps not today |
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| 17:08.44 | marajin | well save the link for watching later |
| 17:08.48 | marajin | it's pretty slick |
| 17:09.28 | AstainHasPS3 | maejrep you loveing the pre huh? |
| 17:09.34 | ianto | I will try |
| 17:09.48 | marajin | AstainHasPS3: no but only cause it's lacking higher resolution screen and proper keyboard size |
| 17:09.52 | AstainHasPS3 | err marajin |
| 17:09.58 | AstainHasPS3 | ahh |
| 17:09.58 | marajin | AstainHasPS3: I'm loving WebOS though |
| 17:10.04 | AstainHasPS3 | cool |
| 17:10.06 | AstainHasPS3 | I like the idea too |
| 17:10.20 | AstainHasPS3 | should be shit tons of stuff for it with how many ppl can program in web languages |
| 17:10.28 | marajin | exactly |
| 17:10.37 | marajin | they make a point of that in that presentation/video |
| 17:10.47 | marajin | html/css/JS and you can write even some of the core apps |
| 17:10.53 | AstainHasPS3 | damn |
| 17:11.12 | AstainHasPS3 | I wonder if the sdk will allow for access to the critical hardware |
| 17:11.15 | marajin | they even fess up to what CPU it has |
| 17:11.23 | AstainHasPS3 | I plan on having a pre the moment it is released |
| 17:11.36 | marajin | I fucking love how they did notifications |
| 17:11.48 | marajin | AstainHasPS3: sadly it looks like US premiere so I can't get one :( |
| 17:14.11 | marajin | it releases in a few months max from what they're saying |
| 17:14.20 | marajin | but CDMA/EVDO Rev A. on sprint |
| 17:15.32 | AstainHasPS3 | rough date I'd guess is early may or so |
| 17:15.52 | marajin | the sprint guy mentions you can get an unlimited tariff for it but it's like 99.95/ month or so (USD) |
| 17:16.59 | AstainHasPS3 | tariff? |
| 17:17.20 | marajin | yeah ya know, unlimited data |
| 17:18.59 | AstainHasPS3 | ahh |
| 17:19.06 | AstainHasPS3 | the 99.95 is unlimited everything |
| 17:19.10 | AstainHasPS3 | data call and sms |
| 17:19.26 | AstainHasPS3 | I have a family plan with unlimited data and sms and 1500 minus for 130 |
| 17:19.41 | marajin | yah |
| 17:19.51 | marajin | 'simply everything' they call it or someshit |
| 17:19.55 | AstainHasPS3 | yep |
| 17:20.05 | marajin | I still find it funny there's no such thing as a family plan here |
| 17:20.15 | AstainHasPS3 | that is funny |
| 17:29.04 | marajin | well we work on a different concept |
| 17:29.07 | marajin | kids get PAYG phones |
| 17:29.10 | marajin | tis safer |
| 17:29.24 | marajin | if they spend shit loads they pay it themselves and you can limit how much they get to spend of your money |
| 17:30.44 | toer | ww |
| 17:31.41 | marajin | ww? |
| 17:37.21 | AstainHasPS3 | there is that option here too |
| 17:37.32 | AstainHasPS3 | many carriers here allow you to preset limits as well |
| 17:39.34 | marajin | I guess |
| 17:39.45 | marajin | probably never seemed practical to do the family tariff here though |
| 17:40.09 | AstainHasPS3 | possibly |
| 17:42.07 | marajin | well we got cheaper tariffs anyway |
| 17:42.44 | marajin | I mean I have semi-unlimited calls/texts and unlimited data for well under half the unlimited tariff there |
| 17:42.53 | marajin | we DO have unlimited tariffs but it depends how you do it |
| 17:43.20 | marajin | I seem to recall you can have an unlimited tariff for around 50-60/bucks/month |
| 17:45.00 | AstainHasPS3 | there is some that offer that for that much to but they are the low end cheaper carriers |
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| 18:23.34 | marajin | AstainHasPS3: like 3 is here ya mean? great if you can get a signal, but you can't get a signal |
| 18:24.42 | AstainHasPS3 | I think so |
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| 18:53.58 | marajin | heh |
| 18:54.12 | marajin | AstainHasPS3: 3 are famous for it, half the price of anyone else, but only do cheaper handsets and have useless coverage |
| 19:10.02 | AstainHasPS3 | ahh ic |
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| 19:50.56 | tmzt | AstainHasPS3: pre looks good, waiting for more information on the programming though |
| 19:51.44 | tmzt | it looks like it has essentially the interface I want in a phone, keyboard driven search and fast data rertieval |
| 19:51.52 | marajin | the interface looks amazing |
| 19:52.09 | marajin | I swear if the keyboard and display were up to modern HTC standards that would be almost undoubtedly a true iPhone killer |
| 19:52.28 | tmzt | marajin: I meant to ask maejrep last night and typed your nick instead |
| 19:52.40 | marajin | tmzt: yah I got that, astain did the same trick today |
| 19:53.03 | tmzt | what did lav* find on rpc? what device? |
| 19:53.35 | tmzt | that's what I get for being away for three days |
| 19:53.49 | tmzt | I had to think about something else for awhile |
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| 22:37.01 | marajin | ...um |
| 22:37.02 | marajin | btw |
| 22:37.20 | marajin | did anyone try using the qtv.dll from a kovsky on older MSM devices at all? |
| 22:39.05 | marajin | nevermind |
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| 23:40.04 | docmax | hi, to boot linux i just need haret, right? |
| 23:40.23 | tmzt | hi again, yeah |
| 23:40.33 | tmzt | and a kernel for kov |
| 23:40.38 | tmzt | marajin: ? |
| 23:40.50 | docmax | kov? whats that? |
| 23:41.06 | tmzt | kovsky |
| 23:41.24 | tmzt | marajin: you have linux on xperia now? |
| 23:41.29 | docmax | is there a package i can download? |
| 23:41.36 | tmzt | marajin: and what addresses does qtv map? |
| 23:41.37 | docmax | for kov |
| 23:41.47 | docmax | but no android |
| 23:41.53 | docmax | just linux |
| 23:42.00 | tmzt | not sure, marajin and dcordes should know |
| 23:42.06 | docmax | i need a linux shell and a working network |
| 23:42.14 | tmzt | you can use the same zImage with a different shell |
| 23:42.30 | tmzt | if by network you mean wifi, that's not working yet |
| 23:42.47 | tmzt | different filesystem I mean |
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