IRC log for #htc-linux on 20090317

`00:02.44`	`*** join/#htc-linux MethoS- (n=lem@host-091-097-240-090.ewe-ip-backbone.de)`
`00:08.49`	`BabelO`	`cr2 done with gpsapi ;)`
`00:15.25`	`*** join/#htc-linux Untouchab1e (n=Untoucha@82.147.51.146)`
`00:26.35`	`cr2`	`BabelO: i'm going to bed for today :)`
`00:26.44`	`cr2`	`BabelO: does it work ?`
`00:30.23`	`*** join/#htc-linux TheiPirate (i=user@cpe-76-186-57-241.tx.res.rr.com)`
`00:33.11`	`BabelO`	`cr2,yes :)`
`00:33.15`	`BabelO`	`cr2, well`
`00:33.32`	`BabelO`	`cr2,so i keep both read method`
`00:33.42`	`cr2`	`ok`
`00:33.52`	`BabelO`	`cr2, what it is the better time between two values ?`
`00:33.56`	`BabelO`	`two read values ?`
`00:34.02`	`BabelO`	`1s is big ?`
`00:34.24`	`cr2`	`1s is ok`
`00:35.02`	`BabelO`	`ok so i keep like that`
`00:37.08`	`cr2`	`good nght`
`00:44.52`	`TheiPirate`	`question about the newest build for kasier`
`00:45.00`	`TheiPirate`	`why does the internet keep connecting after i disconnect`
`00:52.01`	`tmzt`	`it's possible that android ril works now and the script isn't needed to bring up ppp`
`00:52.30`	`TheiPirate`	`i dont want it to connect all the time lol`
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`01:14.51`	`TheiPirate`	`could someone pos the link to the APN settings`
`01:18.55`	`tmzt`	`irclog.netripper.com`
`01:20.14`	`tmzt`	`the modmygphone link`
`01:26.19`	`*** join/#htc-linux Gentoon (n=Sean@unaffiliated/thesarge)`
`01:26.24`	`Gentoon`	`Hell`
`01:26.27`	`Gentoon`	`o`
`01:26.47`	`Gentoon`	`So is there anything out there pretty stable to run on the touch besides android?`
`01:27.42`	`tmzt`	`what is the proxy for, are you trying to direct all traffic to 8080 at some ip or something?`
`01:27.52`	`Gentoon`	`Yes`
`01:27.56`	`tmzt`	`and yeah there are other distros`
`01:28.25`	`Gentoon`	`I can't get net unless everything goes through wap.mycricket.com:8080`
`01:28.40`	`tmzt`	`socks?`
`01:29.24`	`Gentoon`	`I dunno, no username or password are required`
`01:30.19`	`Gentoon`	`I did add a http_proxy line in com.android.providers.settings by mounting data.img`
`01:30.21`	`tmzt`	`unfortunately there are no working web browsers except the one in android from everything I can find`
`01:31.00`	`tmzt`	`I don't think providers have anything to do with http`
`01:31.29`	`tmzt`	`it uses the apache http library for most things`
`01:32.20`	`Gentoon`	`No that is where you set a global proxy`
`01:32.33`	`Gentoon`	`I read it on ppcgeeks works for the tmobile tzones hack`
`01:32.46`	`Gentoon`	`Not just for the browser but all http trafffic`
`01:32.52`	`Gentoon`	`But didnt work for me lol`
`01:35.41`	`tmzt`	`where?`
`01:35.53`	`Gentoon`	`Where what?`
`01:36.11`	`Gentoon`	`You want a link to what I did? Even know it doesnt work?`
`01:36.42`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`01:36.45`	`Gentoon`	`I am not getting a the G Icon you get when your connected to the internet even know togga is connected`
`01:37.04`	`tmzt`	`do you have a shell installed?`
`01:37.28`	`tmzt`	`ifconfig ppp0`
`01:38.43`	`Gentoon`	`#407 "ppp.username=5039603008@mycricket.com ppp.password=cricket`
`01:38.46`	`Gentoon`	`ooops`
`01:39.05`	`Gentoon`	`http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265&page=41 Post 40`
`01:39.23`	`Gentoon`	`How can i install a shell? I just have the crappy terminal emulator`
`01:40.08`	`Gentoon`	`Post 407 sorry`
`01:40.16`	`tmzt`	`yes terminal emulator`
`01:41.25`	`Gentoon`	`Oh only problem is I cant use lots of thing I might need like the keyboard has no \ mapped, sound familliar tmzt ;)`
`01:42.10`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`01:42.26`	`tmzt`	`but you have soft keyboard?`
`01:42.50`	`Gentoon`	`Yes`
`01:42.57`	`Gentoon`	`It has no ?`
`01:43.01`	`Gentoon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:43.23`	`Gentoon`	`whichever one you use for linux directories!!!`
`01:43.38`	`tmzt`	`ifconfig ppp0`
`01:44.21`	`Gentoon`	`I am going to I switched to the default_vogue.txt and when my screen timed out it got all scrambled so I am going back to the regular default.txt`
`01:47.07`	`Gentoon`	`Camera doesnt work for me, seems to work for everyone else :(`
`01:47.09`	`Gentoon`	`Oh well`
`01:47.32`	`tmzt`	`dz: you here?`
`01:47.35`	`tmzt`	`no`
`01:48.00`	`tmzt`	`did you use the sqlite3 command?`
`01:49.55`	`*** join/#htc-linux pzztgotbagz (n=nonya@unaffiliated/pzztgotbagz)`
`01:51.52`	`Gentoon`	`Nope, had to mount the data.img and do it on my ubuntu box, but I did verify the new line was added and it is there`
`01:52.11`	`Gentoon`	`you wanna know what ipconfig ppp0 as root said tmzt?`
`01:52.20`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`01:52.27`	`tmzt`	`ifconfig`
`01:52.45`	`tmzt`	`did you use sqlite3 on ubuntu then?`
`01:52.45`	`Gentoon`	`just ifconfig now no ppp0?`
`01:52.56`	`Gentoon`	`Yes`
`01:53.00`	`tmzt`	`ifconfig ppp0`
`01:53.08`	`Gentoon`	`I got the line exactly the way it was supposed to be now`
`01:53.08`	`tmzt`	`not ipconfig`
`01:53.15`	`Gentoon`	`ya it was a typo`
`01:53.20`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`01:53.27`	`Gentoon`	`I tried even resolving wap.mycricket.com`
`01:53.35`	`Gentoon`	`and using theip instead`
`01:53.44`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt get anywhere with android on your raph?`
`01:54.03`	`tmzt`	`just tell me if ppp0 has an ip address`
`01:54.09`	`Gentoon`	`it shows my ip then my mask then says up point to point running multicast`
`01:54.14`	`Gentoon`	`It does`
`01:54.22`	`tmzt`	`I'm not actually sure how dns works on android though`
`01:54.32`	`tmzt`	`ast, nothing new`
`01:54.32`	`Gentoon`	`Ya thats why i tried both ways`
`01:54.37`	`Gentoon`	`ast?`
`01:54.42`	`tmzt`	`cool`
`01:54.44`	`AstainHasPS3`	`does it do same as linux where it uses /etc/resolv.conf?`
`01:54.56`	`tmzt`	`ping the p-t-p address`
`01:55.03`	`tmzt`	`AstainHasPS3: not sure`
`01:55.09`	`Gentoon`	`whats the ptp address?`
`01:55.23`	`tmzt`	`and those instructions are for android 0.8`
`01:55.39`	`tmzt`	`Gentoon: read the output`
`01:55.57`	`Gentoon`	`Ya there was google.android or whatever just .android so I knew it was a different version`
`01:56.13`	`Gentoon`	`The output of what?`
`01:56.26`	`tmzt`	`ifconfig ppp0`
`01:56.32`	`Gentoon`	`I told you already?`
`01:56.42`	`Gentoon`	`it has my ip then a mask address`
`01:56.54`	`tmzt`	`point-to-point`
`01:57.01`	`tmzt`	`it should be there`
`01:57.07`	`Gentoon`	`its not`
`01:57.12`	`tmzt`	`or it's android ifconfig`
`01:57.13`	`Gentoon`	`but toga shows it hold on`
`01:57.22`	`tmzt`	`try busybox ifconfig ppp0`
`01:59.09`	`Gentoon`	`its being gay, ill just get the ptp ip from the toga ui`
`01:59.53`	`Gentoon`	`172.29.138.34`
`02:00.09`	`Gentoon`	`I am in windows gay`
`02:00.14`	`Gentoon`	`didnt even realize till now`
`02:00.37`	`tmzt`	`ping that address`
`02:01.00`	`Gentoon`	`Doesnt respond`
`02:01.42`	`tmzt`	`route -n`
`02:02.00`	`Gentoon`	`I am in windows... Did I mention that`
`02:02.11`	`Gentoon`	`Or are you wanting me to ping from the device?`
`02:03.24`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`02:03.29`	`tmzt`	`from the device`
`02:03.30`	`Gentoon`	`Yes what?`
`02:03.34`	`Gentoon`	`oh hmm`
`02:03.50`	`tmzt`	`terminal emulator`
`02:05.11`	`Gentoon`	`lol ya I know`
`02:05.19`	`Gentoon`	`still egtting used to soft keyboard lol`
`02:05.50`	`Gentoon`	`like I dunno howto kill ping?`
`02:05.59`	`Gentoon`	`no ctr button for ctrl c`
`02:06.28`	`tmzt`	`kill the terminal`
`02:06.33`	`tmzt`	`force close`
`02:07.10`	`Gentoon`	`just route -n?`
`02:07.15`	`Gentoon`	`nothing else?`
`02:07.22`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`02:07.29`	`tmzt`	`route -n`
`02:07.35`	`tmzt`	`did it ping?`
`02:07.48`	`Gentoon`	`no`
`02:08.04`	`Gentoon`	`route -n returned nothing`
`02:09.33`	`tmzt`	`and togga shows the connection is up?`
`02:09.39`	`Gentoon`	`Yes`
`02:09.45`	`Gentoon`	`so does ifconfig`
`02:09.55`	`Gentoon`	`Its cause the proxy lol`
`02:10.18`	`tmzt`	`how?`
`02:10.46`	`Gentoon`	`how what?`
`02:11.02`	`tmzt`	`how is it the proxy`
`02:12.47`	`Gentoon`	`Because I cant get any packets out unless they are through that proxy`
`02:12.56`	`Gentoon`	`Thats how I had to setup winmo`
`02:14.06`	`tmzt`	`but you can't connect to the proxy unless you can send packets to it`
`02:14.18`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`02:14.39`	`tmzt`	`nc wap.mycricket.com 8080`
`02:14.52`	`Gentoon`	`Maybe I should ping wap.mycricket.com?`
`02:14.57`	`Gentoon`	`lol read my mind`
`02:15.54`	`tmzt`	`you can ping it also, but icmp echo might be blocked`
`02:16.50`	`Gentoon`	`nc badd address "ping"`
`02:17.07`	`Gentoon`	`ooops nm`
`02:17.26`	`tmzt`	`so dns isn't working`
`02:17.47`	`tmzt`	`are there dns settings in default.txt?`
`02:18.05`	`tmzt`	`or is ppp supposed to negotiate that`
`02:18.12`	`Gentoon`	`I have no clue`
`02:18.29`	`Gentoon`	`I have the ip address in the db setting I did`
`02:18.38`	`Gentoon`	`I wasnt counting on dns working`
`02:18.42`	`Gentoon`	`lemme try the ip`
`02:18.44`	`tmzt`	`try nc ip 8080`
`02:18.49`	`Gentoon`	`How can I resolve in cmd?`
`02:18.59`	`tmzt`	`and busybox route -n`
`02:19.07`	`tmzt`	`nslookup maybe`
`02:19.17`	`tmzt`	`cmd?`
`02:19.28`	`tmzt`	`ping -r should work`
`02:19.47`	`Gentoon`	`cmd = dos emulator (command.com)`
`02:20.25`	`Gentoon`	`-r invalid`
`02:20.36`	`Gentoon`	`Your running linux an you just resolve it for me please`
`02:20.41`	`Gentoon`	`can`
`02:22.04`	`tmzt`	`no`
`02:22.18`	`tmzt`	`I'm actually on windows mobile`
`02:22.32`	`tmzt`	`just ping`
`02:22.55`	`tmzt`	`it's ping -a to reverse resolve`
`02:23.26`	`Gentoon`	`Ya it doesnt resolve?`
`02:23.31`	`Gentoon`	`I used an online tool`
`02:23.46`	`Gentoon`	`mycricket.com does ut wap.mycricet.com doesnt`
`02:24.41`	`Gentoon`	`it will only resolve from inside a cricket network...`
`02:24.49`	`Gentoon`	`hmm I wonder how i got it last time`
`02:25.26`	`Gentoon`	`I know I resolved it last time when I added the proxy....`
`02:27.48`	`tmzt`	`makes sense`
`02:28.20`	`Gentoon`	`I think dns needs to be set somewhere cause this page exists... http://www.androidonhtc.com/carrier_network_settings`
`02:28.36`	`TheiPirate`	`is there an app that will turn off the data connection ?`
`02:30.11`	`Gentoon`	`Ya toga`
`02:30.25`	`Gentoon`	`Or I can do it manually from terminal why?`
`02:30.25`	`TheiPirate`	`togga doesnt work with the newest kaiser build for some reason`
`02:30.36`	`Gentoon`	`I am not using a kaiser build`
`02:30.40`	`Gentoon`	`Just 1.1`
`02:31.09`	`TheiPirate`	`oki the newest build for the tilt, the build and phone i have, connects to the internet all the time draining my battery`
`02:31.12`	`TheiPirate`	`so i need to fix it`
`02:31.14`	`Gentoon`	`I think dns is broke and its a big issue`
`02:31.26`	`Gentoon`	`ima try putting the google ip address in the browser`
`02:32.21`	`tmzt`	`maybe the proxy settings changed from 0.8`
`02:32.44`	`Gentoon`	`well it doesnt change it`
`02:33.08`	`Gentoon`	`Pinging googles IP didnt work`
`02:34.52`	`TheiPirate`	`so is there an app to disable internet?`
`02:35.09`	`Gentoon`	`You can use the terminal and ifconfig`
`02:35.19`	`TheiPirate`	`what is ifconfig`
`02:35.45`	`Gentoon`	`a linux network interface configuration utility`
`02:36.09`	`TheiPirate`	`is it on android?`
`02:36.16`	`Gentoon`	`Android is linux lol`
`02:36.19`	`Gentoon`	`So yes`
`02:36.28`	`tmzt`	`it won't help with the ppp connection`
`02:36.30`	`TheiPirate`	`ok is there a simpler way`
`02:36.35`	`TheiPirate`	`one button type deal`
`02:36.40`	`Gentoon`	`I dunno`
`02:36.48`	`tmzt`	`you can take down the interface but not the connection`
`02:36.58`	`Gentoon`	`ifdown ppp0?`
`02:36.59`	`TheiPirate`	`because going to terminal typing something to disconnect and reconnect would be just as annoying as having to charge my battery constantly`
`02:37.43`	`Gentoon`	`grr my phone just randomly restarted`
`02:37.51`	`Gentoon`	`I think ima take a brea on this for a while`
`02:38.30`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt you have any messengers workin on that q yet?`
`02:39.17`	`tmzt`	`no, can't get the mux protocol figured out`
`02:39.34`	`tmzt`	`and I would like to get my raph working`
`02:39.59`	`tmzt`	`but it's deactivated so I can work on it without missing calls`
`02:40.07`	`tmzt`	`the q is`
`02:40.46`	`tmzt`	`it's going to take some real reverse skillsz to document`
`02:41.29`	`tmzt`	`have you tried the connect-utb images?`
`02:51.52`	`AstainHasPS3`	`hiya tmzt hows it going?`
`02:53.10`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`02:53.32`	`AstainHasPS3`	`whatcha working on?`
`02:53.44`	`tmzt`	`nothing really`
`02:55.16`	`AstainHasPS3`	`fun fun heard anything from maejrep?`
`02:56.54`	`tmzt`	`like?`
`02:57.05`	`tmzt`	`he was here last night`
`02:57.40`	`AstainHasPS3`	`like further development progress towards data/sms on raph800?`
`02:58.16`	`*** join/#htc-linux swc\|666 (n=carramro@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821)`
`02:58.38`	`tmzt`	`can you try building a kernel with`
`02:58.54`	`tmzt`	`smd-7500 and not android function diag`
`02:59.12`	`tmzt`	`but you have to use something other than android`
`02:59.28`	`AstainHasPS3`	`sure I can build one and use angstrom initrd`
`02:59.48`	`tmzt`	`I would like to know if ppp is stable on raph800`
`02:59.57`	`tmzt`	`it's not on raph500`
`03:11.52`	`AstainHasPS3`	`ok zImage compiled`
`03:13.42`	`tmzt`	`gen: you headr from penguinz?`
`03:15.49`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt ok booted to angstrom`
`03:15.55`	`AstainHasPS3`	`how do I do the ppp stuffs?`
`03:16.09`	`tmzt`	`minicom smd0`
`03:16.24`	`tmzt`	`at+htcunderscoredun=0`
`03:16.31`	`tmzt`	`atdt#777`
`03:16.37`	`tmzt`	`ctrl-a q`
`03:16.55`	`AstainHasPS3`	`can not open ttyS1`
`03:16.55`	`tmzt`	`pppd /dev/smd1 noauth`
`03:17.08`	`tmzt`	`ctrol-a o`
`03:17.19`	`tmzt`	`change to /dev/smd1`
`03:17.29`	`tmzt`	`ctrl-a save as...`
`03:17.32`	`tmzt`	`smd0`
`03:18.30`	`tmzt`	`ctrl-a q`
`03:18.38`	`tmzt`	`minicom smd0`
`03:19.20`	`AstainHasPS3`	`grrr u key doesnt work on keyboard`
`03:19.35`	`tmzt`	`yep`
`03:19.46`	`tmzt`	`no idea why`
`03:20.26`	`AstainHasPS3`	`ok so I got a little lost in the instructions...`
`03:20.41`	`AstainHasPS3`	`when I do minicom smd0 I get a cannot open /dev/ttyS1`
`03:20.57`	`tmzt`	`ignore that`
`03:21.11`	`tmzt`	`just change the preferences`
`03:21.14`	`AstainHasPS3`	`ok then it drops back to root prompt`
`03:21.29`	`tmzt`	`ah`
`03:21.36`	`tmzt`	`minicom -s smd0`
`03:21.57`	`AstainHasPS3`	`ahh ok`
`03:22.02`	`AstainHasPS3`	`now I'm in minicom`
`03:24.26`	`AstainHasPS3`	`so now it brings up the configuration`
`03:24.56`	`tmzt`	`what's your control key?`
`03:25.17`	`AstainHasPS3`	`uhm the bottom left key`
`03:25.27`	`tmzt`	`fn?`
`03:25.42`	`AstainHasPS3`	`fn is next to ctrl`
`03:25.47`	`tmzt`	`do you use a special keymap?`
`03:25.49`	`tmzt`	`oh`
`03:25.50`	`AstainHasPS3`	`txt is next to fn`
`03:25.55`	`pzztgotbagz`	`FN=FUNCTION`
`03:25.58`	`tmzt`	`sprint?`
`03:26.00`	`AstainHasPS3`	`yes`
`03:26.03`	`AstainHasPS3`	`raph800`
`03:26.07`	`tmzt`	`ah`
`03:26.16`	`tmzt`	`don't have a ctrl key`
`03:26.32`	`tmzt`	`fn star mailbox .`
`03:27.04`	`AstainHasPS3`	`ahh ok`
`03:27.16`	`AstainHasPS3`	`so yah what do I want to do?`
`03:29.04`	`tmzt`	`edit the serial port settings`
`03:29.21`	`tmzt`	`change A to /dev/smd0`
`03:29.32`	`AstainHasPS3`	`k`
`03:34.42`	`AstainHasPS3`	`atdt#777 gives me error`
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`03:36.16`	`tmzt`	`ah`
`03:36.19`	`tmzt`	`ath`
`03:38.43`	`AstainHasPS3`	`ok got a connect`
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`03:38.50`	`AstainHasPS3`	`whoa just got a kernel panic`
`03:39.14`	`*** join/#htc-linux Gentoon (n=Sean@unaffiliated/thesarge)`
`03:39.21`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt whats up`
`03:39.34`	`Gentoon`	`So what else can I boot on vogue?`
`03:40.02`	`tmzt`	`try the image from connect-utb.com`
`03:40.10`	`tmzt`	`but use your zImage`
`03:40.29`	`tmzt`	`AstainHasPS3: did that work?`
`03:40.45`	`AstainHasPS3`	`it did a connect...`
`03:40.57`	`AstainHasPS3`	`pppd gives me a module error`
`03:41.21`	`tmzt`	`build it in or copy the ppp*.ko over`
`03:41.29`	`AstainHasPS3`	`k`
`03:42.14`	`AstainHasPS3`	`odd ppp is built in`
`03:43.28`	`tmzt`	`what error?`
`03:44.08`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt I only see diamond and ralp?`
`03:44.18`	`Gentoon`	`ralph`
`03:44.56`	`Gentoon`	`I imagine those wont be qvga or have a soft kb?`
`03:45.22`	`tmzt`	`that's all in the zImage`
`03:45.32`	`tmzt`	`use the one you already have`
`03:45.52`	`Gentoon`	`Okay so the ralph one or diamond? Or does it matter?`
`03:47.14`	`tmzt`	`doesn't matter`
`03:48.22`	`Gentoon`	`okay...`
`03:48.57`	`Gentoon`	`So this might somehow fix my proxy problem? or what cause that vogue image works perfectly for everything else...`
`03:50.18`	`Gentoon`	`Is there like a regular linux distro that might run on my vogue?`
`03:50.21`	`tmzt`	`how do you insatll applications on the vogue image?`
`03:50.29`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`03:52.50`	`Gentoon`	`What is it called?`
`03:52.50`	`tmzt`	`you can use dcordes console image`
`03:52.50`	`Gentoon`	`Where can i get it?`
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`03:52.59`	`Gentoon`	`Splliiiiiiittttt`
`03:52.59`	`Gentoon`	`its only console? No X?`
`03:53.05`	`tmzt`	`yes`
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`03:53.05`	`tmzt`	`console`
`03:53.05`	`Gentoon`	`Oh no I want something with x lol`
`03:53.06`	`Gentoon`	`I am sure there is someone somewhere running android on a vogue with cricket....`
`03:53.06`	`tmzt`	`if you get the netowk up you can install`
`03:53.06`	`tmzt`	`stuff with opkg`
`03:53.06`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt k so what do I need to do now?`
`03:53.07`	`tmzt`	`is ppp working?`
`03:53.07`	`AstainHasPS3`	`uhm pppd keeps throwing modules error`
`03:53.16`	`AstainHasPS3`	`well first it complains about the noauth flag`
`03:55.17`	`tmzt`	`pppd /dev/smd0 noauth`
`03:55.29`	`tmzt`	`nodetach debug`
`03:56.06`	`tmzt`	`sorry`
`03:56.08`	`tmzt`	`smd1`
`03:56.27`	`tmzt`	`what module?`
`03:58.24`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt I am lost, which img file do I use from that rar and what do I rename it?`
`03:58.46`	`tmzt`	`what rar?`
`03:58.59`	`Gentoon`	`the ralph one from that site`
`03:59.09`	`Gentoon`	`data or system`
`03:59.22`	`tmzt`	`oh, decompress it to sd card`
`03:59.31`	`Gentoon`	`which one?`
`03:59.44`	`tmzt`	`use everything except zImage`
`03:59.50`	`tmzt`	`the whole thing`
`03:59.54`	`Gentoon`	`The default.txt?`
`04:00.05`	`tmzt`	`you need your mtype in default.txt`
`04:00.10`	`Gentoon`	`Cause mine is setup for my username and pass and everything`
`04:00.28`	`Gentoon`	`I did alot of editing in that default.txt`
`04:00.47`	`Gentoon`	`The network stuff won't work without it`
`04:00.58`	`Gentoon`	`so....`
`04:01.38`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt?`
`04:02.21`	`Gentoon`	`gives up lol`
`04:05.07`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt ok so I'm confuzed now`
`04:05.38`	`Gentoon`	`wow 2 week uptime mark on my wm7 box`
`04:06.05`	`Gentoon`	`I am actually impressed ms didn't completely fuck this one up...`
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`04:08.40`	`tmzt`	`dzo's images has a special script to bring up ppp`
`04:09.06`	`Gentoon`	`talkin to me?`
`04:09.13`	`Gentoon`	`and what about default.txt?`
`04:10.39`	`tmzt`	`the script uses setiings from the command line`
`04:12.25`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt are you like ignoring me?`
`04:12.52`	`tmzt`	`no, I'm setiing down my phone`
`04:12.53`	`AstainHasPS3`	`woot tmzt`
`04:12.55`	`tmzt`	`sorry`
`04:13.03`	`AstainHasPS3`	`got it pinging www.google.com`
`04:13.18`	`tmzt`	`and that's the answer`
`04:13.27`	`tmzt`	`AstainHasPS3: what image is that?`
`04:13.39`	`AstainHasPS3`	`of angstrom?`
`04:13.50`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`04:13.58`	`AstainHasPS3`	`one from NetRipper's site`
`04:14.04`	`tmzt`	`link`
`04:14.11`	`AstainHasPS3`	`one sec`
`04:14.24`	`AstainHasPS3`	`I did edit /etc/resolv.conf myself though`
`04:15.36`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt.... default.txt?`
`04:15.59`	`tmzt`	`set CMDLINE`
`04:16.12`	`Gentoon`	`?`
`04:16.12`	`tmzt`	`in default.txt`
`04:16.25`	`Gentoon`	`What about all the other things I had to add to my old one?`
`04:16.37`	`tmzt`	`does utb work though?`
`04:16.43`	`AstainHasPS3`	`http://netripper.com/raphael/20081204-01_raph_diam_angstrom_usb/`
`04:17.07`	`AstainHasPS3`	`still pinging google too`
`04:17.53`	`Gentoon`	`I dunno havent tried it yet cause i am trying to figure out what to put in my default.txt cause I had to edit lots of stuff in my old one?`
`04:18.12`	`tmzt`	`that won't work without the script`
`04:18.27`	`Gentoon`	`huh?`
`04:18.39`	`tmzt`	`just mtype from the vogue default.txt`
`04:18.41`	`Gentoon`	`I have no clue what you are talking about`
`04:18.57`	`AstainHasPS3`	`ssh working too`
`04:19.09`	`Gentoon`	`Okay you don't understand... my net wont work unless I add all the other stuff I had to add to my old one...`
`04:19.45`	`tmzt`	`your net won't work without a script to bring up ppp`
`04:20.02`	`tmzt`	`the script reads /proc/cmdline`
`04:20.03`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt just ssh'd to a server at work over the ppp interface :D`
`04:20.11`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`04:20.22`	`tmzt`	`see if you can panic the raph`
`04:20.30`	`AstainHasPS3`	`how did you panic it?`
`04:20.38`	`tmzt`	`traffic`
`04:20.43`	`Gentoon`	`Why would i want to panic it?`
`04:20.58`	`tmzt`	`talking to ast:`
`04:21.20`	`Gentoon`	`This is confusing lol`
`04:21.26`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt: hehe did a dmesg on a server with over 100 day uptime`
`04:22.46`	`AstainHasPS3`	`so far nothing`
`04:22.50`	`AstainHasPS3`	`just working`
`04:23.28`	`tmzt`	`try an opkg update`
`04:24.13`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt man I am just sitting here? What exactly does my default.txt need to say...`
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`04:24.57`	`tmzt`	`copy set MTYPE line from vogue default.txt`
`04:25.02`	`tmzt`	`mac: hey`
`04:25.06`	`tmzt`	`madCoder-:`
`04:25.21`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt so far so good :)`
`04:25.23`	`AstainHasPS3`	`hiya madCoder-`
`04:25.26`	`Gentoon`	`ya I got that what about my login stuff?`
`04:25.43`	`tmzt`	`ast is trying to panic raph800 with ppp`
`04:25.58`	`tmzt`	`Gentoon: use the new CMDLINE`
`04:26.03`	`AstainHasPS3`	`got the panic tmzt`
`04:26.10`	`Gentoon`	`What does that mean man?`
`04:26.18`	`AstainHasPS3`	`I wonder if its filling the space instead of ppp crashing`
`04:26.30`	`tmzt`	`just copy MTYPE for right now`
`04:26.35`	`tmzt`	`nothing else`
`04:27.09`	`tmzt`	`I'm trying to see how to install terminal o4 there`
`04:27.16`	`tmzt`	`s/o4/on/`
`04:28.30`	`Gentoon`	`So I am just being his guinea pig, this is going to help me at all with my proxy issue is it?`
`04:29.11`	`tmzt`	`the proxy issue is related to the ppp issue`
`04:29.19`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt use my old zImage?`
`04:29.24`	`tmzt`	`you need connectivity working first`
`04:29.26`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`04:29.46`	`Gentoon`	`connectivity works fine for everyone else using this version of android...`
`04:30.40`	`tmzt`	`then why didn't nc work?`
`04:31.19`	`Gentoon`	`I don't know, but I know for sure network works fine on vogue android`
`04:31.22`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt I wonder if something the opkg did was pissing it off cause everything else was 100% happy as I did it`
`04:31.41`	`tmzt`	`I had the thing with dpkg`
`04:31.48`	`tmzt`	`apt-get`
`04:31.50`	`Gentoon`	`My connection maybe wasnt working but its not that image, it works`
`04:32.13`	`tmzt`	`it's hard to troubleshoot without the right tools`
`04:32.26`	`Gentoon`	`and I know internet won't work without defining what to dial (#777) my username and password in default.txt`
`04:32.51`	`tmzt`	`default.txt is not an android configuration file`
`04:33.04`	`tmzt`	`it only changes things in haret`
`04:33.14`	`Gentoon`	`lmao okay dude I am losing faith in you`
`04:33.25`	`Gentoon`	`I know for a fact its what made my toga work`
`04:33.45`	`Gentoon`	`before I added that stuff it didnt work, after I added it it connected it`
`04:34.05`	`Gentoon`	`The author of that image tells you to define that info in the default.txt`
`04:34.27`	`tmzt`	`ask him when he's here then`
`04:34.30`	`tmzt`	`dzo`
`04:34.42`	`Gentoon`	`dzo didnt write it lmao`
`04:35.00`	`Gentoon`	`do you even know what I am running dude? Or what is even going on?`
`04:35.03`	`tmzt`	`I've seen his scripts from the original images`
`04:35.15`	`Gentoon`	`I am not using his stuff`
`04:35.15`	`tmzt`	`who did then?`
`04:35.24`	`Gentoon`	`hold on`
`04:36.38`	`Gentoon`	`Oh lol it is dzo`
`04:36.54`	`Gentoon`	`But default.txt does configure somethings for ppp0`
`04:37.17`	`Gentoon`	`set cmdline "ppp.username=5039603008@mycricket.com ppp.password=cricket mddi.width=312 mddi.height=416`
`04:37.20`	`Gentoon`	`like this`
`04:37.36`	`tmzt`	`right`
`04:37.53`	`tmzt`	`set cmdline sets the linux kernel command line`
`04:38.07`	`Gentoon`	`Yes`
`04:38.08`	`tmzt`	`which can be read from /proc/cmdline`
`04:38.20`	`Gentoon`	`Thats what I was just trying to F*&ng tell you dude`
`04:38.21`	`tmzt`	`that's what the script does`
`04:38.42`	`Gentoon`	`So like I said this needs to be set in my default.txt for my net to work... okay?`
`04:39.16`	`tmzt`	`so I'm going to look in the utb initrd`
`04:39.16`	`Gentoon`	`set RAMSIZE 0x08000000 needs to be set`
`04:39.24`	`tmzt`	`and see what it needs`
`04:39.41`	`Gentoon`	`I don't have much time man`
`04:39.41`	`tmzt`	`that should be detected with new haret`
`04:39.47`	`Gentoon`	`im just gunna try to boot it`
`04:40.06`	`Gentoon`	`haret should magicly guess my username and password for my network?`
`04:40.13`	`Gentoon`	`or did you mean the ramsize?`
`04:42.22`	`Gentoon`	`Ya its crapping out tons of cannot find and disabling this and that`
`04:42.23`	`Gentoon`	`cant find system at all`
`04:42.23`	`tmzt`	`did you put it in tmp?`
`04:42.23`	`tmzt`	`ramsize`
`04:42.28`	`Gentoon`	`like MEMCARDROOT/TMP?`
`04:42.36`	`tmzt`	`so vogue sd doesn't work?`
`04:42.42`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`04:42.45`	`Gentoon`	`lol yes it does`
`04:42.48`	`tmzt`	`tmp`
`04:42.54`	`tmzt`	`tmp/boot`
`04:43.00`	`Gentoon`	`EVERYTHING works on vogue android`
`04:43.01`	`tmzt`	`like that`
`04:43.10`	`Gentoon`	`On the phone memory?`
`04:43.18`	`tmzt`	`not android I mean zImage`
`04:43.20`	`tmzt`	`no`
`04:43.23`	`tmzt`	`on sd`
`04:43.30`	`Gentoon`	`omg thats what I JUST SAID`
`04:43.45`	`Gentoon`	`dude I love your help but your english is horrible or something`
`04:44.04`	`Gentoon`	`(9:42:30 PM) Gentoon: like MEMCARDROOT/TMP?`
`04:44.16`	`Gentoon`	`MEMCARDROOT mean the sd cards root`
`04:44.28`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`04:44.39`	`Gentoon`	`yes?`
`04:44.50`	`tmzt`	`yes the sd root`
`04:45.00`	`Gentoon`	`Why didnt you just say yes in the first place instead of confusing the shit outta me man`
`04:45.18`	`pzztgotbagz`	`wow now im totally confused`
`04:45.41`	`AstainHasPS3`	`hmmm so yah tmzt if it trys to transfer files bigger than a few k it panics`
`04:45.59`	`pzztgotbagz`	`astain u done yet hehe`
`04:46.03`	`tmzt`	`that's what I see`
`04:46.22`	`AstainHasPS3`	`small files work perfectly or buffer text works fine`
`04:46.30`	`Gentoon`	`lol so why I am I trying to boot this broken image that can't even transfer files over ppp?`
`04:46.31`	`AstainHasPS3`	`but anything bigger than a few k dies`
`04:46.43`	`AstainHasPS3`	`Gentoon stfu and listen`
`04:46.47`	`AstainHasPS3`	`its NOT the image`
`04:46.55`	`AstainHasPS3`	`its our driver thats causing a kernel panic`
`04:46.55`	`pzztgotbagz`	`buah haha pwnage`
`04:47.03`	`AstainHasPS3`	`which is a different driver than you are using`
`04:47.13`	`Gentoon`	`For what device?`
`04:47.22`	`pzztgotbagz`	`raph800`
`04:47.33`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt has a raph500 I have a raph800 you have a vogue`
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`04:48.15`	`pzztgotbagz`	`astain and i have diam800 and raph800 hehe`
`04:48.28`	`AstainHasPS3`	`yep true`
`04:48.28`	`pzztgotbagz`	`and astain wtf dont u have both also`
`04:48.49`	`pzztgotbagz`	`dont u have a 500 and 800 also`
`04:48.54`	`AstainHasPS3`	`nope no 500`
`04:49.01`	`tmzt`	`Gentoon: if you want ppp to work we need to use that angstrom image and find out what was going on`
`04:49.02`	`AstainHasPS3`	`thats the vzw model which I no have`
`04:49.05`	`pzztgotbagz`	`oh ya`
`04:49.08`	`pzztgotbagz`	`u have 100 and 800`
`04:49.09`	`AstainHasPS3`	`I have raph100 and raph800`
`04:50.07`	`pzztgotbagz`	`well astain ive got 100 games on wiefy ds so far`
`04:50.13`	`AstainHasPS3`	`nice`
`04:50.15`	`pzztgotbagz`	`and all 13 movies downloaded`
`04:51.20`	`tmzt`	`why is storage not working in wm now??`
`04:52.01`	`AstainHasPS3`	`looks like it got 80K of the file I was trying to scp to it`
`04:54.51`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt another image?`
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`04:55.28`	`tmzt`	`initrd`
`04:56.08`	`tmzt`	`the one ast just got ppp working on`
`04:57.00`	`Gentoon`	`the one you gave me the link for right?`
`04:57.15`	`Gentoon`	`Cause ppp already works on the one I was using I promise`
`04:57.28`	`Gentoon`	`lol just look at dzo's android vogue thread`
`04:57.32`	`Gentoon`	`ppp works`
`04:57.41`	`AstainHasPS3`	`Gentoon just humor him and do it`
`04:58.11`	`Gentoon`	`No`
`04:58.21`	`Gentoon`	`His logic is all messed up`
`04:58.29`	`Gentoon`	`ppp works fine look at the damn thread`
`04:58.39`	`Gentoon`	`100's of users... they must be lying right?`
`04:58.42`	`pzztgotbagz`	`actually`
`04:58.47`	`pzztgotbagz`	`gentoon`
`04:58.50`	`pzztgotbagz`	`on the vogue`
`04:58.54`	`pzztgotbagz`	`on the raph and diam`
`04:58.56`	`pzztgotbagz`	`it does not`
`04:58.59`	`Gentoon`	`omg`
`04:59.03`	`Gentoon`	`Yes it does`
`04:59.05`	`pzztgotbagz`	`neither does data or text or calls`
`04:59.07`	`Gentoon`	`look at his thread`
`04:59.15`	`pzztgotbagz`	`like me then`
`04:59.19`	`tmzt`	`ppp works but not the proxy right?`
`04:59.22`	`Gentoon`	`lol okay now I know your full of shit I make calls on it all the time`
`04:59.31`	`pzztgotbagz`	`DUDE`
`04:59.34`	`Gentoon`	`And texts`
`04:59.37`	`pzztgotbagz`	`CAN YOU FUCKING READ ENGLISH`
`04:59.40`	`Gentoon`	`STFU and go away now`
`04:59.45`	`pzztgotbagz`	`I SAID RAPH AND DIAM`
`04:59.49`	`tmzt`	`and I think pzz is talking about the cdma device`
`04:59.51`	`pzztgotbagz`	`you have a touch idiot`
`04:59.53`	`tmzt`	`devices`
`04:59.58`	`Gentoon`	`Your full of bs txt data mms txt and voice work fine on vogue`
`05:00.07`	`pzztgotbagz`	`yes u have a vogue`
`05:00.12`	`Gentoon`	`(9:58:52 PM) pzztgotbagz: on the vogue`
`05:00.12`	`Gentoon`	`(9:58:56 PM) pzztgotbagz: on the raph and diam`
`05:00.12`	`Gentoon`	`(9:58:58 PM) pzztgotbagz: it does not`
`05:00.14`	`pzztgotbagz`	`iw as talking about raph and diamond`
`05:00.24`	`Gentoon`	`You just said on the vogue fucking idiot`
`05:00.34`	`pzztgotbagz`	`um`
`05:00.41`	`pzztgotbagz`	`read the line right about what i said`
`05:00.45`	`Gentoon`	`Look at what you just typed?`
`05:00.48`	`pzztgotbagz`	`[12:00am] <Gentoon> (9:58:56 PM) pzztgotbagz: on the raph and diam`
`05:00.48`	`pzztgotbagz`	`[12:00am] <Gentoon> (9:58:58 PM) pzztgotbagz: it does not`
`05:01.00`	`Gentoon`	`and the line above that?`
`05:01.10`	`pzztgotbagz`	`and read the two lines above that`
`05:01.11`	`Gentoon`	`it says the vogue?`
`05:01.17`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt night thanks for the info`
`05:01.24`	`tmzt`	`got it`
`05:01.31`	`Gentoon`	`You said my name?`
`05:01.46`	`pzztgotbagz`	`sorry`
`05:01.52`	`pzztgotbagz`	`i forgot to add a but`
`05:01.54`	`pzztgotbagz`	`in the middle`
`05:01.59`	`tmzt`	`utb uses setprop net.dns1 in /init.rc`
`05:02.15`	`tmzt`	`and use-ppp yes`
`05:02.20`	`Gentoon`	`Then said nothing works on vogue its right there in black and white, and you butted in when I was explaining that data does work on the vogue... so why would you but in and agree with me and say "actually"?`
`05:02.34`	`pzztgotbagz`	`i know what works on vogue`
`05:02.39`	`pzztgotbagz`	`mogul-titan`
`05:02.40`	`pzztgotbagz`	`raph`
`05:02.41`	`pzztgotbagz`	`diam`
`05:02.45`	`pzztgotbagz`	`i have all of them`
`05:02.49`	`Gentoon`	`No you realized you were full of bs... now goto bed before mom wakes up and catches you awake past your bed time`
`05:02.54`	`pzztgotbagz`	`haha`
`05:02.59`	`Gentoon`	`Ya I am sure you do`
`05:03.05`	`pzztgotbagz`	`dude ur the 1 coming into a chat room asking for help`
`05:03.07`	`Gentoon`	`Now your ignored go away.`
`05:03.12`	`pzztgotbagz`	`then talking shit to people trying to help you`
`05:03.19`	`Gentoon`	`I have been in this chat room since it was created...`
`05:03.21`	`pzztgotbagz`	`and would u like for me to take a pic for you`
`05:03.30`	`Gentoon`	`I have known tmzt longer than you`
`05:03.38`	`pzztgotbagz`	`if i can find my vogue`
`05:03.53`	`Gentoon`	`You don't have a vogue you just said it didnt make voice calls`
`05:03.55`	`pzztgotbagz`	`but i can take u a pic of apache mogul diamond and a couple of touch pros`
`05:04.00`	`pzztgotbagz`	`DUDE`
`05:04.14`	`pzztgotbagz`	`lemme retype for you`
`05:04.22`	`pzztgotbagz`	`since your english is a little weak`
`05:04.31`	`Gentoon`	`Why would you jump in and say "actually..." and then agree with what i was saying then huh smart guy, just answer me that!?`
`05:04.45`	`pzztgotbagz`	`11:58pm] <pzztgotbagz> actually`
`05:04.45`	`pzztgotbagz`	`[11:58pm] <pzztgotbagz> gentoon`
`05:04.46`	`pzztgotbagz`	`[11:58pm] <pzztgotbagz> on the vogue`
`05:04.46`	`pzztgotbagz`	`[11:58pm] <pzztgotbagz> on the raph and diam`
`05:04.46`	`pzztgotbagz`	`[11:58pm] <pzztgotbagz> it does not`
`05:04.54`	`pzztgotbagz`	`now right after on the vogue`
`05:04.55`	`pzztgotbagz`	`add`
`05:04.56`	`pzztgotbagz`	`BUT`
`05:05.11`	`tmzt`	`the reason dzo vogue images work with ppp is they bring up ppp using the linux pppd before starting android (zygote)`
`05:05.13`	`Gentoon`	`Yes exactly no objective statements there... so you were disagreeing with my comment...`
`05:05.25`	`pzztgotbagz`	`no i wasnt`
`05:05.30`	`pzztgotbagz`	`i know it works`
`05:05.39`	`pzztgotbagz`	`hell android works better on vogue and mogul`
`05:05.39`	`tmzt`	`it wasn't a list`
`05:05.42`	`pzztgotbagz`	`then winmo does`
`05:05.54`	`Gentoon`	`YES YOU FUCKING WERE... I was saying that data worked on a FUCKING VOGUE and you butted in and said ACTUALLY....`
`05:06.12`	`pzztgotbagz`	`haha`
`05:06.19`	`Gentoon`	`Why would you butt in and say actually then agree with me?`
`05:06.38`	`Gentoon`	`Ya see you can't argue with taht logic idit.`
`05:06.43`	`Gentoon`	`idiot.`
`05:06.47`	`pzztgotbagz`	`and that`
`05:06.49`	`pzztgotbagz`	`correct`
`05:07.07`	`Gentoon`	`Thanks you now let the adults talk`
`05:07.15`	`Gentoon`	`Thank*`
`05:07.31`	`pzztgotbagz`	`i will sit back and watch`
`05:07.41`	`pzztgotbagz`	`and see if anything productive comes out of your conversations`
`05:08.13`	`Gentoon`	`ya go play with all your htc devices LMFAO`
`05:08.22`	`Gentoon`	`Probably have a razr`
`05:08.27`	`pzztgotbagz`	`haha`
`05:08.29`	`pzztgotbagz`	`astain`
`05:08.39`	`pzztgotbagz`	`this guy is a joke`
`05:08.46`	`pzztgotbagz`	`hes talking shit yet he still has a vogue`
`05:09.06`	`pzztgotbagz`	`mabey i should go reactivate my crapache`
`05:09.23`	`Gentoon`	`Ya I still have the best working htc for android... I am so dumb huh...`
`05:09.32`	`tmzt`	`vogue is a bit newer`
`05:09.57`	`tmzt`	`right, because dzo got one early last year`
`05:10.07`	`tmzt`	`and did a lot of hard work`
`05:10.23`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt just getting power management garbage`
`05:10.25`	`pzztgotbagz`	`im not knocking DZO work at all`
`05:10.29`	`pzztgotbagz`	`he is a great coder`
`05:10.32`	`tmzt`	`with?`
`05:10.42`	`pzztgotbagz`	`sup maej how ya doing`
`05:10.50`	`Gentoon`	`got the android guy the first boot and now android-power: wakeup blah blah blah`
`05:11.03`	`Gentoon`	`the image you have been telling me to boot`
`05:11.05`	`Gentoon`	`?`
`05:11.07`	`Gentoon`	`utc`
`05:11.07`	`tmzt`	`ignore kernel messages`
`05:11.12`	`tmzt`	`with utb?`
`05:11.13`	`Gentoon`	`?`
`05:11.18`	`Gentoon`	`utb ya`
`05:11.27`	`tmzt`	`so ikt mounted?`
`05:11.31`	`tmzt`	`it`
`05:11.37`	`Gentoon`	`Huh?`
`05:11.49`	`tmzt`	`we should have added rootdelay=5 to cmdline`
`05:11.58`	`Gentoon`	`I told you it went to the android man then restarted the second time it just spits power messages...`
`05:12.03`	`tmzt`	`no missing /system etc.`
`05:12.12`	`Gentoon`	`ya I fixed that`
`05:12.24`	`tmzt`	`which is further than it got before`
`05:12.30`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`05:13.03`	`Gentoon`	`Yes...`
`05:13.54`	`tmzt`	`rootdelay fixed that?`
`05:14.03`	`perkka`	`hmm`
`05:14.09`	`Gentoon`	`No putting the files in /tmp did`
`05:14.15`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`05:14.22`	`perkka`	`i feel that i live in the wrong timezone to be here when the action is`
`05:15.08`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt you realize cdma is way different than gsm as far as net goes... it needs to manually dial a data call and login.. its not as simple as setting up an apn`
`05:15.47`	`tmzt`	`gsm does too except that g1 uses a different method`
`05:16.14`	`Gentoon`	`Gsm does it a little differently lol`
`05:16.23`	`Gentoon`	`its more automagic in gsm`
`05:16.26`	`tmzt`	`but other gsm devices use ppp and dials a connection`
`05:16.41`	`tmzt`	`apn is passed to at+cgdcont=`
`05:17.11`	`Gentoon`	`well every gsm device I ever had after a flash I would just put the sim in and net mms and everything would just work, cdma takes hours of configin`
`05:17.25`	`Gentoon`	`anyways whats the next step?`
`05:18.13`	`tmzt`	`yes, because the os handles those details for you`
`05:18.26`	`Gentoon`	`Yes I know...`
`05:20.10`	`tmzt`	`the point is linux doesn't do that`
`05:20.17`	`tmzt`	`you have to do it`
`05:21.05`	`tmzt`	`if you want ppp to work we need to change default.txt to boot the angstrom image astain pasted earlier`
`05:23.33`	`*** join/#htc-linux goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@mail2.hjellnesconsult.no)`
`05:25.14`	`Gentoon`	`so why was I using this image at all?`
`05:25.33`	`Gentoon`	`And why cant i use the dxo image that already has ppp working?`
`05:25.40`	`Gentoon`	`dzo`
`05:27.46`	`tmzt`	`can you explain to me why you proxy setup didn't work?`
`05:28.46`	`tmzt`	`or why netcat couldn't connect to your proxy?`
`05:29.14`	`tmzt`	`I asked you for the ouput of route but it didn't work on that image for some reason`
`05:29.32`	`Gentoon`	`I didn't do busybox route -n`
`05:29.51`	`Gentoon`	`lets go back into it, cause ppp is proven working on that image one sec`
`05:30.18`	`tmzt`	`fine`
`05:30.38`	`tmzt`	`we'll do ps aux PIPE grep ppp`
`05:30.40`	`tmzt`	`also`
`05:31.43`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt come on man dont get upset, just look at this thread and tell me ppp doesnt work http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265`
`05:31.45`	`tmzt`	`and hopefully there's a working netcat on there also`
`05:33.15`	`tmzt`	`well, I know ppp works`
`05:33.25`	`tmzt`	`ifconfig ppp0 told me that`
`05:33.37`	`Gentoon`	`Is there a way to fast application switch in android? Like if I leave the terminal then want to go back to it?`
`05:34.55`	`tmzt`	`not sure`
`05:36.24`	`Gentoon`	`Okay all it shows is my ip and my mask twice`
`05:37.04`	`Gentoon`	`and some 0.0.0.0`
`05:37.25`	`tmzt`	`busybox route -n ?`
`05:37.57`	`tmzt`	`can you type it as well as you can?`
`05:38.14`	`Gentoon`	`huh?`
`05:38.21`	`Gentoon`	`i did type that`
`05:38.32`	`tmzt`	`type it here`
`05:38.47`	`tmzt`	`I can't follow, I need to see it`
`05:38.55`	`tmzt`	`the output`
`05:39.44`	`Gentoon`	`It says 172.29.138.34 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 uh 0 0 172.29.138.34 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 uh 0 0`
`05:39.57`	`Gentoon`	`oh wait`
`05:40.07`	`Gentoon`	`172.29.138.34 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 uh 0 0 172.29.138.34 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 ug 0 0`
`05:40.36`	`tmzt`	`that doesn't make any sense`
`05:40.49`	`Gentoon`	`well that is what it says`
`05:40.56`	`tmzt`	`you should have a 0.0.0.0 route`
`05:41.12`	`tmzt`	`busybox route add default dev ppp0`
`05:41.12`	`Gentoon`	`What?`
`05:41.46`	`tmzt`	`just type that`
`05:42.12`	`Gentoon`	`okay done`
`05:42.42`	`tmzt`	`alright`
`05:43.03`	`tmzt`	`setprop net.dns1 (your dns server)`
`05:43.26`	`tmzt`	`then try ping wap.mycricket.com`
`05:43.48`	`Gentoon`	`How do I find "my" dns server?`
`05:44.49`	`tmzt`	`well, the ppp output should have had it`
`05:45.02`	`Gentoon`	`but it didn't....`
`05:45.21`	`tmzt`	`and your cricket settings page?`
`05:45.49`	`Gentoon`	`cricket settings page?`
`05:45.56`	`Gentoon`	`can I just use open dns?`
`05:46.02`	`tmzt`	`modmygphone.com maybe`
`05:46.20`	`tmzt`	`not sure, it might have to be behind the firewall`
`05:46.29`	`tmzt`	`you can try`
`05:47.17`	`tmzt`	`if you have the ip for wap`
`05:47.19`	`tmzt`	`you can try nc ip 8080`
`05:47.45`	`Gentoon`	`I don't have the ip`
`05:48.08`	`Gentoon`	`so like setprop net.dns1 208.67.222.222 ?`
`05:48.14`	`tmzt`	`lyeah`
`05:48.29`	`tmzt`	`which is the one in connect utb file`
`05:48.37`	`tmzt`	`I'm reading`
`05:50.25`	`Gentoon`	`no dns is sill not working`
`05:50.41`	`tmzt`	`ping the dns`
`05:52.36`	`Gentoon`	`nothing`
`05:52.47`	`Gentoon`	`I havent been able to ping any ip on the wan`
`05:54.40`	`tmzt`	`if you can't ping the p-t-p address ppp is not working`
`05:59.37`	`Gentoon`	`well i don't know why oga even says connected?`
`05:59.44`	`Gentoon`	`toga`
`06:00.20`	`tmzt`	`disconnect in toggo`
`06:00.43`	`tmzt`	`go to the shell and run ps aux PIPE grep ppp`
`06:03.07`	`Gentoon`	`ok`
`06:04.39`	`Gentoon`	`Notta`
`06:04.47`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`06:05.09`	`tmzt`	`pppd /dev/smd1 noauth nodetach debug`
`06:05.25`	`Gentoon`	`How did they design this soft keyboard for linux and not put a \`
`06:05.34`	`Gentoon`	`err /`
`06:06.09`	`tmzt`	`just smd1 then`
`06:06.17`	`tmzt`	`should work`
`06:07.30`	`Gentoon`	`um nothing happened but it didnt return a new prompt?`
`06:08.44`	`*** join/#htc-linux Untouchab1e (n=Untoucha@82.147.51.146)`
`06:08.46`	`Untouchab1e`	`Good morning all`
`06:08.51`	`tmzt`	`nothing happened?`
`06:08.54`	`tmzt`	`hey`
`06:09.26`	`Untouchab1e`	`hi tmzt.. how's it going?`
`06:09.43`	`tmzt`	`a little confused`
`06:09.47`	`Gentoon`	`Well it went down a line and has like the cursor but no new prompt?`
`06:10.22`	`tmzt`	`what changes are there between dzo and j0b0 android images?`
`06:10.25`	`Gentoon`	`oh now it has a new prompt guess it just took a sec`
`06:10.40`	`tmzt`	`sounds like you typed a symbol`
`06:10.52`	`tmzt`	`what's the prompt?`
`06:11.08`	`tmzt`	`fine`
`06:11.12`	`tmzt`	`cd dev`
`06:11.20`	`tmzt`	`cat smd0&`
`06:12.00`	`Gentoon`	`No I didnt type a symbol`
`06:12.07`	`tmzt`	`echo 'atdt#777' greatertnah smd0`
`06:12.16`	`tmzt`	`then the ppp line`
`06:14.16`	`Gentoon`	`do you mean cat smd0& echo 'atdt#777' greaterthan smd0`
`06:14.40`	`tmzt`	`two lines`
`06:14.46`	`tmzt`	`greaterthan`
`06:17.38`	`Gentoon`	`omg this keyboard`
`06:17.41`	`Gentoon`	`one sec`
`06:19.46`	`perkka`	`hmm, the current sound "issues" are they kernel related?`
`06:20.13`	`tmzt`	`on what?`
`06:20.32`	`Gentoon`	`FUCK`
`06:20.40`	`perkka`	`diam100 mainly`
`06:21.33`	`tmzt`	`sound issues?`
`06:22.50`	`tmzt`	`I should try disabling adb in /init.rc`
`06:22.50`	`perkka`	`well, total lack of sound then`
`06:23.07`	`perkka`	`microphone, speaker`
`06:23.24`	`tmzt`	`yeah, that's kernel`
`06:23.42`	`tmzt`	`I'm guessing sound works on vogue`
`06:24.19`	`perkka`	`need to program support or some config thing?`
`06:24.22`	`Gentoon`	`what ppp line tmzt?`
`06:24.41`	`Gentoon`	`pppd /dev/smd1 noauth nodetach debug???`
`06:24.47`	`tmzt`	`pppd smd1 noauth ...`
`06:24.51`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`06:24.58`	`tmzt`	`without /dev/`
`06:26.13`	`perkka`	`wonder if it's possible to somehow connect a usb keyboard to the diamond`
`06:26.14`	`tmzt`	`did you get a connect message?`
`06:26.32`	`perkka`	`would make stuff easier`
`06:26.35`	`Gentoon`	`its still waiting like before`
`06:26.36`	`tmzt`	`possibly, but it's definately not powered`
`06:26.42`	`Gentoon`	`just has the grey box`
`06:27.02`	`tmzt`	`grey box?`
`06:27.17`	`Gentoon`	`I just wanna know who designed a saoft keyboard for a linux based os with no /`
`06:27.42`	`Gentoon`	`Ya the cursor box before it was there for like a minute after I typed that then went back to a prompt`
`06:27.43`	`Untouchab1e`	`lol`
`06:27.48`	`perkka`	`solder some adapter then`
`06:27.50`	`Gentoon`	`soft`
`06:27.57`	`tmzt`	`dzo`
`06:28.27`	`Gentoon`	`Okay I have a root prompt again tmzt`
`06:28.31`	`Gentoon`	`no output`
`06:29.22`	`tmzt`	`and ifconfig ppp0`
`06:30.09`	`Gentoon`	`no such device`
`06:31.16`	`Gentoon`	`lol this sucks`
`06:33.52`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt`
`06:34.37`	`tmzt`	`well, togga didn't work`
`06:34.47`	`tmzt`	`which pppd`
`06:36.10`	`Gentoon`	`huh?`
`06:36.21`	`Gentoon`	`oh you want the version`
`06:36.22`	`Gentoon`	`lol`
`06:36.54`	`Gentoon`	`location I mean`
`06:37.00`	`Gentoon`	`/bin/pppd`
`06:38.36`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt`
`06:38.51`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`06:38.58`	`Gentoon`	`^`
`06:39.07`	`tmzt`	`got that`
`06:39.12`	`Gentoon`	`ok`
`06:39.27`	`Gentoon`	`are you on your computer now?`
`06:39.30`	`tmzt`	`just wanted to make sure it wasn't built into android shell`
`06:39.32`	`tmzt`	`no`
`06:39.46`	`tmzt`	`I'm on touch pro in pocketputty`
`06:39.59`	`tmzt`	`I don't have internet here`
`06:40.01`	`Gentoon`	`lol why don't ya use your machine?`
`06:40.04`	`Gentoon`	`oh ic`
`06:40.17`	`Gentoon`	`setup Internet sharing over usb?`
`06:40.44`	`tmzt`	`doesn't work without connect plan`
`06:41.09`	`tmzt`	`the only way I can do it is in debian but it's unstable`
`06:41.09`	`Gentoon`	`oh gay`
`06:41.24`	`tmzt`	`I just have pda plan`
`06:41.26`	`Gentoon`	`so all outta ideas?`
`06:42.18`	`tmzt`	`I think we can get it to work in angstrom and then we'll be able to understand why it's not working in android`
`06:42.23`	`tmzt`	`long`
`06:42.45`	`Gentoon`	`sigh`
`06:42.58`	`Gentoon`	`will it be hard to get the proxy workin in angstrom?`
`06:43.11`	`Gentoon`	`Its going to be hours just getting angstrom to boot I bet`
`06:43.25`	`tmzt`	`no`
`06:43.34`	`tmzt`	`at least connecting to it`
`06:43.58`	`tmzt`	`still don't know if it's socks or http or something else though`
`06:44.04`	`Gentoon`	`God I wish there was a usb driver`
`06:44.13`	`Gentoon`	`I am sure we can google that`
`06:44.32`	`tmzt`	`yeah, unforutnately not for 7x00 non-A`
`06:45.06`	`Gentoon`	`http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=42547`
`06:45.11`	`perkka`	`couldnt find any keyborads, and it doesnt have usb host controller so it shouldnt be pssible`
`06:45.20`	`perkka`	`bluetooth only`
`06:45.32`	`perkka`	`and it doesnt work in linux yet`
`06:45.41`	`Gentoon`	`okay so lets get angstrom going, whats the first step tmzt?`
`06:45.44`	`perkka`	`well on some i guess`
`06:46.04`	`tmzt`	`cr2 is working on that`
`06:46.15`	`tmzt`	`do you have the url?`
`06:46.21`	`Gentoon`	`nope`
`06:46.35`	`tmzt`	`irclog.netripper.com`
`06:46.49`	`tmzt`	`its in the log today/yesterday`
`06:46.51`	`Gentoon`	`You dont know it, I dont wanna skim a log to get a url`
`06:47.20`	`tmzt`	`search for AstainHasPS3`
`06:49.57`	`Gentoon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.59`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt do I just need the inird and default.txt?`
`06:51.17`	`Gentoon`	`or do I need to use his haret and zimage?`
`06:51.48`	`tmzt`	`http://netripper.com/raphael/20081204-01_raph_diam_angstrom_usb/`
`06:52.06`	`tmzt`	`your zImage, his everything else`
`06:53.03`	`Gentoon`	`need to change anything in default txt?`
`06:53.24`	`Gentoon`	`lemme show ya mine... you have web browser right?`
`06:53.36`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`06:56.07`	`Gentoon`	`http://pastebin.com/m6a5e316e`
`06:58.39`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt`
`06:59.14`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`06:59.20`	`Gentoon`	`I could ping wap.mycricket.com from winmo while I am connected if it will be useful?`
`06:59.30`	`Gentoon`	`to get the ip I mean`
`06:59.32`	`tmzt`	`is the new initrd called initrd.gz?`
`06:59.37`	`tmzt`	`yes`
`07:00.26`	`Gentoon`	`initrd-angstrom-usb.cpio.gz`
`07:00.36`	`Gentoon`	`Howto ping from winmo?`
`07:00.44`	`tmzt`	`no idea`
`07:00.55`	`Gentoon`	`lol ill use an online tool`
`07:01.05`	`tmzt`	`copy that as initrd.gz and renmae the android one`
`07:01.36`	`Gentoon`	`Im using a different dir....?`
`07:01.46`	`tmzt`	`put a pund sign in front of set cmdline`
`07:01.49`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`07:01.50`	`Gentoon`	`so I wont have to rename the other one`
`07:02.07`	`tmzt`	`so copy your zImage`
`07:02.13`	`Gentoon`	`wait am I using my default.txt or the angstrom one?`
`07:02.20`	`tmzt`	`and your mtype in defailt.txt`
`07:02.24`	`tmzt`	`default`
`07:02.25`	`Gentoon`	`ok`
`07:02.42`	`tmzt`	`which did you paste?`
`07:02.59`	`Gentoon`	`Mine`
`07:03.17`	`Gentoon`	`The angstrom one is pretty basic`
`07:03.49`	`*** join/#htc-linux pleemans (n=toi@116.54-246-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be)`
`07:04.10`	`tmzt`	`just the mtype and ramsize if needed`
`07:06.37`	`Gentoon`	`so how will angstrom get my ppp login info?`
`07:07.06`	`tmzt`	`we will put it in chap secrets`
`07:07.24`	`tmzt`	`which is what dzo's script does`
`07:08.02`	`Gentoon`	`okay`
`07:08.12`	`Gentoon`	`Hey, thanks.`
`07:09.47`	`Gentoon`	`his doesnt have a system or data img?`
`07:09.57`	`tmzt`	`no`
`07:10.04`	`Gentoon`	`not needed then?`
`07:10.07`	`tmzt`	`it's just a ramdisk`
`07:10.28`	`tmzt`	`you can probably mount mmc if you want`
`07:11.06`	`tmzt`	`sd card`
`07:11.55`	`Gentoon`	`huh?`
`07:12.00`	`Gentoon`	`lol look set INITRD initrd-angstrom-usb.cpio.gz`
`07:12.07`	`Gentoon`	`now I have to rename it back`
`07:12.19`	`Gentoon`	`or just change it in the default.txt`
`07:12.19`	`tmzt`	`whichever`
`07:12.55`	`Gentoon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:12.56`	`Gentoon`	`set cmdline "mem=96M" ?`
`07:13.23`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt`
`07:13.30`	`tmzt`	`comment that`
`07:13.36`	`Gentoon`	`k`
`07:13.39`	`tmzt`	`it won't work on vogue`
`07:13.56`	`tmzt`	`no cmdline should be needed`
`07:13.57`	`Gentoon`	`set RAMADDR 0x10000000`
`07:13.59`	`Gentoon`	`?`
`07:14.06`	`Gentoon`	`keep that?`
`07:14.56`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt?`
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`07:15.46`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`07:15.50`	`Gentoon`	`ok`
`07:16.02`	`Gentoon`	`This better not fry this sd cost me 80 bucks`
`07:16.16`	`Gentoon`	`maybe I should switch to my 8gb`
`07:16.23`	`tmzt`	`how big is it?`
`07:16.33`	`Gentoon`	`16`
`07:16.40`	`tmzt`	`you can run this from internal if you want`
`07:16.53`	`Gentoon`	`I have no access to that`
`07:16.58`	`tmzt`	`it doesn't mount anything`
`07:17.03`	`Gentoon`	`No wmdc or active sync`
`07:17.28`	`Gentoon`	`wm7 doesnt like wmdc so i can only access sd card`
`07:17.36`	`tmzt`	`file manager?`
`07:17.42`	`Gentoon`	`huh?`
`07:18.01`	`Gentoon`	`you need rdnis (active sync or wmdc) to access phone memory`
`07:18.13`	`Gentoon`	`its okay Ill use the card`
`07:18.16`	`tmzt`	`on the device`
`07:18.32`	`tmzt`	`you don't have file explorer?`
`07:18.32`	`Gentoon`	`oh manually transfer it from the mem card?`
`07:18.46`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`07:18.49`	`Gentoon`	`is it important to do it from device memory?`
`07:18.56`	`tmzt`	`but you don,t have to`
`07:18.58`	`Gentoon`	`Id rather just keep it on the card`
`07:18.58`	`tmzt`	`no`
`07:19.01`	`Gentoon`	`okay`
`07:19.07`	`Gentoon`	`Think i am ready to boot`
`07:19.34`	`Gentoon`	`ramboot or bootlinux?`
`07:20.23`	`tmzt`	`boot`
`07:20.37`	`tmzt`	`which is bootlinux`
`07:20.47`	`Gentoon`	`okay`
`07:23.09`	`Gentoon`	`phone one sec`
`07:32.45`	`Gentoon`	`Wow my roommate and my friend are both pregnant and close and I just got 2 calls and they are both in labor...`
`07:32.59`	`Gentoon`	`What are the odds, that is nuts`
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`07:51.01`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt still here?`
`07:51.05`	`Gentoon`	`Ima boot now`
`07:52.05`	`Gentoon`	`damn I think he left`
`07:53.00`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt....`
`07:53.09`	`tmzt`	`I'm here`
`07:53.15`	`Gentoon`	`okay sweet`
`07:54.24`	`Gentoon`	`Um its console...`
`07:54.32`	`Gentoon`	`I have no hardware keyboard...`
`07:54.35`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt`
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`07:54.49`	`Gentoon`	`oh it has the soft keyboard`
`07:54.55`	`Gentoon`	`but it booted`
`07:55.01`	`tmzt`	`that's in the kernel`
`07:55.18`	`tmzt`	`you have control right?`
`07:55.49`	`Gentoon`	`There is no control on thesoft keyboard`
`07:56.08`	`Gentoon`	`unless its alt and something`
`07:57.31`	`Gentoon`	`I almost wonder if its mapped to like one of the softkey buttons or the power button`
`07:58.09`	`tmzt`	`maybe`
`07:59.44`	`Gentoon`	`wow I think holding red activates the touchscreen or something weird`
`08:00.07`	`Gentoon`	`cause if I hold red and touch on the screen it gives me a bunch of ts calibration garbage`
`08:01.02`	`Gentoon`	`or no its only when I hold red and press something on the kb`
`08:01.09`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt so what should i do?`
`08:02.05`	`tmzt`	`you at a prompt?`
`08:02.33`	`Gentoon`	`Ya but now my calibration is all messed up damn it`
`08:03.15`	`Gentoon`	`have to restart`
`08:03.58`	`Gentoon`	`I really wish there was a bootloader with a boot menu so we wouldnt have to go through winmo everytime, cause with all the crap i have running it takes like 2 mins to boot winmo`
`08:06.46`	`Gentoon`	`so am I pretty sol without control?`
`08:07.06`	`tmzt`	`no`
`08:07.19`	`tmzt`	`it's easier with it though`
`08:08.04`	`Gentoon`	`Okay back at a root prompt`
`08:08.34`	`tmzt`	`cd dev`
`08:08.42`	`tmzt`	`cat smd0&`
`08:09.37`	`tmzt`	`echo AT greaterthan smd0`
`08:09.55`	`tmzt`	`ATE1V1`
`08:10.10`	`tmzt`	`see if you get OK`
`08:10.33`	`Gentoon`	`can't cd to dev?`
`08:11.15`	`tmzt`	`cd`
`08:11.18`	`tmzt`	`cd dev`
`08:11.31`	`Gentoon`	`Ya that is what I typed`
`08:11.41`	`Gentoon`	`It says can't cd to dev`
`08:11.57`	`tmzt`	`HOME= cd`
`08:13.13`	`Gentoon`	`cant get shift to work`
`08:13.16`	`Gentoon`	`sighs`
`08:13.42`	`tmzt`	`press it I think`
`08:13.49`	`tmzt`	`caps`
`08:14.04`	`Gentoon`	`there is only an up arrow button I believe is shift`
`08:14.14`	`Gentoon`	`I tried before and at the same time`
`08:15.04`	`Gentoon`	`oh I found a / !!!!`
`08:15.25`	`Gentoon`	`okay I am in dev now`
`08:15.26`	`tmzt`	`at the same time?`
`08:15.31`	`tmzt`	`cool`
`08:15.37`	`Gentoon`	`Ya shift doesnt work`
`08:15.43`	`tmzt`	`but you also have /`
`08:15.46`	`Gentoon`	`ya`
`08:15.50`	`Gentoon`	`So I can cd to dev`
`08:15.52`	`tmzt`	`anyway`
`08:15.53`	`Gentoon`	`I did`
`08:16.06`	`tmzt`	`cat smd0&`
`08:16.38`	`Gentoon`	`its the keymap :(`
`08:16.49`	`Gentoon`	`no capital letters or symbols`
`08:17.00`	`Gentoon`	`I know the symbols were workin in android`
`08:17.49`	`tmzt`	`atrange`
`08:18.07`	`Gentoon`	`Man I just have no luck`
`08:19.19`	`Gentoon`	`well guess we are at the end of the line`
`08:20.25`	`tmzt`	`did it calibrate ok?`
`08:22.38`	`Gentoon`	`I didnt do any calibration`
`08:22.50`	`Gentoon`	`but all they keys are where they are supposed to be`
`08:25.23`	`tmzt`	`can you put a script on the sd card?`
`08:25.46`	`tmzt`	`maybe we can just bring it up that way`
`08:26.23`	`Gentoon`	`im in windows atm will it put weird meta bs in it?`
`08:28.38`	`Gentoon`	`http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265&page=216 look at 2158`
`08:29.02`	`tmzt`	`doesn't matter`
`08:29.09`	`Gentoon`	`huh/`
`08:29.20`	`Gentoon`	`could be my problem`
`08:29.25`	`tmzt`	`scripts are text files`
`08:30.34`	`Gentoon`	`lol i know im talking about yhat post`
`08:31.02`	`Gentoon`	`and wordpad puts weird meta info in its txt files is what i meant`
`08:31.57`	`Gentoon`	`ill have to boot all the way back to winmo to xfer the script huh`
`08:32.45`	`tmzt`	`no`
`08:32.56`	`tmzt`	`you can remove the card`
`08:33.07`	`tmzt`	`it's not mounted`
`08:34.09`	`Gentoon`	`dont have a card reader`
`08:36.29`	`Gentoon`	`oh wait I have an mp3 player that takes an sd I think`
`08:40.07`	`Gentoon`	`cant find it`
`08:40.24`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt man I am beat.. lets pick this up tomorrow?`
`08:41.11`	`perkka`	`its early morning ;)`
`08:41.13`	`tmzt`	`ok`
`08:41.29`	`tmzt`	`where perkka?`
`08:41.37`	`perkka`	`what are you currently up to btw?`
`08:41.39`	`perkka`	`sweden`
`08:41.53`	`tmzt`	`just this`
`08:42.46`	`Gentoon`	`Alright man thanks`
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`08:44.51`	`perkka`	`vouge?`
`08:45.12`	`tmzt`	`yeah`
`08:45.20`	`perkka`	`aw :/`
`08:45.38`	`tmzt`	`some kind of proxy setup that's blocking everything`
`08:45.49`	`tmzt`	`what device perkka?`
`08:45.57`	`perkka`	`diamond`
`08:45.59`	`perkka`	`diam100`
`08:46.04`	`tmzt`	`cool`
`08:46.12`	`tmzt`	`does it work for you?`
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`08:46.20`	`perkka`	`and i lack time to fiddle with it`
`08:46.26`	`perkka`	`define work :P`
`08:47.04`	`tmzt`	`what doesn't work?`
`08:47.17`	`perkka`	`sound, and wireless`
`08:47.29`	`tmzt`	`true`
`08:47.29`	`perkka`	`camera, but that doesnt matter`
`08:47.44`	`perkka`	`sound and wifi is quite important to me`
`08:48.12`	`tmzt`	`well maejrep has done some work on the sdio`
`08:48.15`	`perkka`	`shall see if i have any time to look at the kernel, but im not sure`
`08:48.28`	`tmzt`	`but the driver still doesn't work`
`08:50.42`	`perkka`	`would like to know more about that ^^`
`08:50.55`	`perkka`	`but im at work currently :/`
`08:52.10`	`tmzt`	`not sure what the issue with sound is`
`08:52.48`	`tmzt`	`it's possible the android adsp driver would work but maybe a codec is missing or something`
`08:53.37`	`perkka`	`btw, is there a way to bypass the active sync part?`
`08:53.48`	`perkka`	`need to have it connected to the computer while booting`
`08:54.15`	`tmzt`	`not sure what you mean`
`08:57.53`	`tmzt`	`does it ever boot when not connected?`
`09:02.31`	`perkka`	`it hangs after mmcblk0 mount or something like it`
`09:03.01`	`perkka`	`don't remember exactly what it says`
`09:03.16`	`perkka`	`but totally different boot sequence`
`09:04.00`	`tmzt`	`every time?`
`09:04.36`	`tmzt`	`the problem before was it kept the internal sd in usb storage mode`
`09:05.30`	`perkka`	`nope`
`09:05.43`	`perkka`	`i can boot, but it freezes`
`09:05.57`	`perkka`	`need to have it connected with usb in active sync`
`09:06.16`	`perkka`	`than plug it out when it has started booting`
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`09:08.15`	`perkka`	`ooh works now`
`09:08.48`	`perkka`	`needed to disable the question when it connects to the comp`
`09:15.02`	`Abracadabra`	`Good morning`
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`09:26.39`	`perkka`	`mornin`
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`10:17.21`	`Marajin`	`morning`
`10:35.31`	`perkka`	`morning`
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`11:07.32`	`Marajin`	`how's it going perkka ?`
`11:09.45`	`perkka`	`i'm at work`
`11:09.59`	`perkka`	`but well, its working. quite a lot to do ;)`
`11:11.01`	`perkka`	`don't even know if i can do any work at all on this this week`
`11:11.06`	`perkka`	`hope i will :/`
`11:11.24`	`perkka`	`Marajin: are you doing any stuff ^^`
`11:37.31`	`Marajin`	`I'm thinking it's cold and reading the forums :P`
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`12:00.32`	`perkka`	`:P`
`12:01.31`	`Marajin`	`wondering whether to go with the touch-it roms for my kovsky`
`12:05.50`	`perkka`	`i couldn't know`
`12:08.30`	`Marajin`	`yeah I know`
`12:08.38`	`Marajin`	`I do like my kovsky though`
`12:10.08`	`perkka`	`i don't like my diamond`
`12:10.19`	`perkka`	`probably will when android fully works`
`12:10.29`	`Marajin`	`heh`
`12:10.36`	`Marajin`	`well don't worry, it'll get there`
`12:13.17`	`perkka`	`luckily i got it for free ;)`
`12:13.23`	`perkka`	`my brother gave it to me`
`12:13.59`	`captnoord`	`crosses his fingers`
`12:14.00`	`captnoord`	`I bope`
`12:14.01`	`captnoord`	`hope`
`12:14.21`	`Marajin`	`you have diam too captnoord ? thought you had raph?`
`12:14.29`	`captnoord`	`raph`
`12:14.42`	`captnoord`	`the platform is similar anough`
`12:14.45`	`perkka`	`how much differs?`
`12:14.49`	`Marajin`	`yeah I know`
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`12:15.06`	`Marajin`	`perkka: um, take a keyboard, some RAM and an SD slot away from a Raph and you got a Diam`
`12:15.57`	`captnoord`	`hmmm fucked up tomorrow big test`
`12:16.01`	`captnoord`	`but 2 headache days`
`12:16.07`	`captnoord`	`so I couldn't learn`
`12:16.08`	`captnoord`	`:(`
`12:16.16`	`Marajin`	`excuses! :p`
`12:16.22`	`captnoord`	`nah`
`12:16.26`	`captnoord`	`its not you... it me`
`12:16.27`	`captnoord`	`:P`
`12:16.35`	`Marajin`	`that's your brain telling you to spend more time hacking linux/android on the raph`
`12:16.37`	`perkka`	`same chips etc?`
`12:16.49`	`Marajin`	`perkka: identical chips yeah`
`12:16.53`	`captnoord`	`O btw its possible to compile the linux kernel on windows using cygwin`
`12:16.53`	`perkka`	`'ah`
`12:17.05`	`captnoord`	`did that 3 days ago`
`12:17.15`	`Marajin`	`the kovsky isn't a far throw from the raph/diam either`
`12:17.32`	`Marajin`	`they're all MSM7201A's I think?`
`12:18.02`	`Marajin`	`ya know I swear my kovsky is even faster at flashing ROMs than the kaiser was :P`
`12:18.19`	`captnoord`	`I had a big laugh btw the htc guys told tweakers.net that they can't live but can't live without xda-dev.....`
`12:18.21`	`captnoord`	`lol`
`12:18.29`	`Marajin`	`heh`
`12:18.38`	`Marajin`	`xda-dev is a godsend for HTC and MS though`
`12:18.40`	`Marajin`	`we fix the shit they can't`
`12:18.53`	`captnoord`	`they can`
`12:18.57`	`Marajin`	`ok`
`12:19.00`	`Marajin`	`s/can't/won't`
`12:19.01`	`captnoord`	`but they can't because of the managers`
`12:19.02`	`captnoord`	`I mean`
`12:19.05`	`perkka`	`none of them got sound or wireless support yet?`
`12:19.07`	`captnoord`	`I have spoken to a MS dev`
`12:19.10`	`captnoord`	`and he is like`
`12:19.17`	`captnoord`	`"I want to fix that"`
`12:19.22`	`captnoord`	`but he simply can't`
`12:19.33`	`Marajin`	`I know a guy in the MS WM team too. he made me vaguely hopeful about WM7`
`12:19.42`	`Marajin`	`ya know he once put WM7 on a hermes`
`12:19.45`	`Marajin`	`I found that laughable`
`12:19.57`	`Marajin`	`he said it ran like shit cause the hermes only got 64MB RAM`
`12:20.05`	`captnoord`	`hehe`
`12:20.21`	`Marajin`	`but kaiser should just about run WM7 and Raph/Diam/Kovs should run it fine`
`12:20.27`	`captnoord`	`I hope they still do cycle optimalisations`
`12:20.34`	`captnoord`	`and mem tweaks`
`12:20.41`	`captnoord`	`the moment they let that idea loose`
`12:20.45`	`captnoord`	`its gonna be horror`
`12:20.50`	`Marajin`	`well Wm7 just isn't designed to run on anything less than 128MB devices`
`12:20.53`	`captnoord`	`and everybody want to have a linux kernel`
`12:20.59`	`Marajin`	`he also said WM7 may fix the MSM issue`
`12:21.02`	`Marajin`	`but wouldn't tell me why`
`12:21.07`	`captnoord`	`I can get the 128 mb minimum`
`12:21.11`	`Marajin`	`NDA won't let him tell me`
`12:21.19`	`captnoord`	`yup`
`12:21.23`	`captnoord`	`fucked up`
`12:21.40`	`captnoord`	`the moment I sign a contract I will take my time reading it`
`12:22.07`	`Marajin`	`well we're pretty sure the reason the MSM runs like a dog a lot is a driver thing`
`12:22.18`	`Marajin`	`but info is at best vague`
`12:22.55`	`captnoord`	`if I knew somebody working at NXP`
`12:22.57`	`Marajin`	`yay my kovs boots the new ROM :p`
`12:23.05`	`captnoord`	`he could get me a datasheet for the msm stuff`
`12:23.38`	`Marajin`	`I don't think we'll ever get the MSM datasheets`
`12:23.48`	`captnoord`	`besides the old one`
`12:24.08`	`Marajin`	`ya mean the 6xxx ones?`
`12:24.21`	`captnoord`	`yea`
`12:24.53`	`captnoord`	`hmm the thing is`
`12:25.06`	`Marajin`	`whoa, this ROM seems fast..`
`12:25.06`	`captnoord`	`I don't know if its smart to work on a thumb decompiler`
`12:25.13`	`captnoord`	`seems?`
`12:25.13`	`captnoord`	`:P`
`12:25.19`	`Marajin`	`well it's still customising`
`12:25.24`	`Marajin`	`but the customising seems speed`
`12:25.25`	`Marajin`	`y`
`12:25.35`	`Marajin`	`faster than the SE official roms`
`12:25.47`	`captnoord`	`nice nice`
`12:25.55`	`captnoord`	`I won't flash my phone`
`12:25.59`	`captnoord`	`I like my warrenty`
`12:26.06`	`captnoord`	`I always break stuff`
`12:26.08`	`captnoord`	`so:P`
`12:26.23`	`Marajin`	`you can just replace the old SPL/ROM though as long as the phone isn't completely dead`
`12:26.31`	`Marajin`	`and if it is they'd prolly never know`
`12:26.41`	`captnoord`	`yea I know`
`12:27.01`	`captnoord`	`but the things I found when messing with the rom kitchen makes me wonder`
`12:27.08`	`Marajin`	`like?`
`12:27.12`	`captnoord`	`I mean.... for me it is possible to create a app`
`12:27.16`	`captnoord`	`that takes the raw dump`
`12:27.28`	`captnoord`	`and load it into the virtual file system`
`12:27.43`	`captnoord`	`Marajin: it feels just a bunch of apps`
`12:27.50`	`captnoord`	`not a development platform`
`12:27.58`	`captnoord`	`no sources of the apps`
`12:28.03`	`Marajin`	`um so?`
`12:28.15`	`captnoord`	`I don't have a good reason`
`12:28.23`	`Marajin`	`just wary of it eh?`
`12:28.31`	`captnoord`	`yup`
`12:28.32`	`captnoord`	`kinda`
`12:28.36`	`captnoord`	`it feels not complete`
`12:29.15`	`Marajin`	`yeah`
`12:29.21`	`captnoord`	`but thats just mee`
`12:29.30`	`Marajin`	`there is one thing that bugs me about the kovsky`
`12:29.39`	`Marajin`	`and that's the lack of a soft reset switch`
`12:29.51`	`Marajin`	`yanking the battery sucks cause the batt cover is really hard to remove`
`12:29.53`	`captnoord`	`what I would like to see is a explorer like application which is able to load the dumps`
`12:30.03`	`tmzt`	`I wonder if disabling reboot on panic would tell us why android doesn't work on raph800/500 with smd7500`
`12:30.11`	`Marajin`	`I thought there was an explorer like app that browses the dumps`
`12:30.27`	`captnoord`	`if there is I can't find it.....`
`12:30.37`	`tmzt`	`a fuse plugin for imgfs would be nice`
`12:34.52`	`captnoord`	`Marajin: what was that other platform besides android that did the linux + gui thing`
`12:35.00`	`captnoord`	`NetRipper was working with that I remember`
`12:37.36`	`Marajin`	`um?`
`12:37.48`	`Marajin`	`gotta be clearer? you mean OE?`
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`12:38.01`	`tmzt`	`qtopia?`
`12:38.30`	`captnoord`	`I mean that other mobile linux distribution`
`12:38.52`	`tmzt`	`LiMO`
`12:39.17`	`captnoord`	`nvm I can't remember`
`12:39.21`	`tmzt`	`last I read it was X and gtk`
`12:39.32`	`tmzt`	`fso`
`12:39.46`	`tmzt`	`no idea what you mean then`
`12:39.53`	`captnoord`	`nvm dude`
`12:40.07`	`captnoord`	`i'll gonna check some more asm`
`12:40.14`	`Marajin`	`angstrom?`
`12:40.22`	`captnoord`	`yup`
`12:40.24`	`captnoord`	`that one`
`12:40.35`	`tmzt`	`not really gui`
`12:40.47`	`captnoord`	`true`
`12:41.16`	`Marajin`	`heh cool, new game for the xperia specificially`
`12:41.43`	`Marajin`	`full 3d too..`
`12:42.11`	`tmzt`	`I wonder if it will have the magic dll`
`12:44.47`	`Marajin`	`that's.. kinda cool`
`12:47.46`	`Marajin`	`I just started to love my x1 a little bit more`
`12:47.52`	`Marajin`	`TF3D with a working landscape also rocks`
`12:48.14`	`captnoord`	`hehe`
`12:48.26`	`tmzt`	`where do you get that?`
`12:49.43`	`Marajin`	`what the TF3D? it's the rhodium one AFAIK< it's been rolled into the ROM`
`12:50.23`	`tmzt`	`only wvga?`
`12:50.55`	`Marajin`	`dunno, guess so`
`13:11.54`	`Marajin`	`hahaha.. wow, the kovsky will run on USB alone (no battery)`
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`13:18.22`	`Marajin`	`wb AstainHasPS3`
`13:20.40`	`AstainHasPS3`	`thx Marajin`
`13:20.45`	`AstainHasPS3`	`and good morning to you`
`13:20.54`	`Marajin`	`afternoon now mate :P`
`13:21.03`	`AstainHasPS3`	`lol not in US`
`13:23.40`	`AstainHasPS3`	`whatcha up to today Marajin?`
`13:23.48`	`Marajin`	`dunno, peace and quiet I'm hoping`
`13:24.19`	`AstainHasPS3`	`nice`
`13:50.15`	`Marajin`	`ya know shapewriter is impressive..`
`13:53.28`	`AstainHasPS3`	`shapewriter?`
`13:55.27`	`Marajin`	`it's an input method of WM`
`13:55.45`	`Marajin`	`you just drag a line across the letters you want on the keyboard and it makes an algorithmic guess at the entire word you meant`
`13:55.53`	`Marajin`	`it's basically a very fast predictive text`
`13:56.13`	`Marajin`	`the recognition for english certainly seems speedy`
`13:56.21`	`Marajin`	`they have a 30 day trial if you're bothered to try it`
`13:56.34`	`Marajin`	`just cancel when it asks about activation and it lets you use it anyway`
`14:02.47`	`AstainHasPS3`	`cool`
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`14:19.14`	`AstainHasPS3`	`Marajin did you see the fun tmzt and I were having with data on raph800?`
`14:19.23`	`perkka`	`hmm i found a wierd bug`
`14:19.32`	`AstainHasPS3`	`whats the bug perkka?`
`14:19.42`	`Marajin`	`AstainHasPS3: nope?`
`14:20.16`	`Marajin`	`heh, shapewriter works better on my kovsky than on my UMPC`
`14:20.24`	`Marajin`	`it knows too many words on the UMPC I think`
`14:20.25`	`perkka`	`the home, back,answer and end call buttons are'nt responding when you have both ringtone and vibrations enabed on incoming calls in winmo`
`14:20.32`	`AstainHasPS3`	`Marajin data would work in small streams 100% like an ssh client but big streams like big files epic fail into kernel panic`
`14:20.38`	`perkka`	`how can that affect the buttons in android o.O`
`14:21.01`	`Marajin`	`AstainHasPS3: nice, almost as good as the kaiser SD bug was for ages.. I think it only died if CPU usage got high/large transfers`
`14:21.02`	`perkka`	`the other buttons are working well`
`14:21.12`	`perkka`	`vol+/-`
`14:21.26`	`perkka`	`up/down/left/right/enter`
`14:21.40`	`perkka`	`well afk shower`
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`14:38.33`	`Marajin`	`captnoord: I see your net never improves?`
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`14:46.35`	`captnoord`	`lol`
`14:46.36`	`captnoord`	`nah`
`14:46.38`	`captnoord`	`this was me`
`14:46.40`	`captnoord`	`rebooting`
`14:46.41`	`captnoord`	`and stuff`
`14:46.46`	`captnoord`	`its not way better`
`14:46.49`	`captnoord`	`but speed sucks`
`14:46.51`	`captnoord`	`bigtime`
`14:47.05`	`Marajin`	`heh`
`14:47.06`	`captnoord`	`they switched our line into a 2 mbit line`
`14:47.11`	`Marajin`	`nice ;)`
`14:47.12`	`captnoord`	`which isn't overloaded`
`14:47.12`	`captnoord`	`so`
`14:47.15`	`captnoord`	`its stable`
`14:47.16`	`Marajin`	`nobody needs more than 56k!`
`14:47.19`	`captnoord`	`but it SUCKS`
`14:47.24`	`Marajin`	`'cept me`
`14:47.48`	`captnoord`	`hehe`
`14:50.51`	`perkka`	`2mbit?`
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`14:51.02`	`perkka`	`had more than that year 2000`
`14:52.59`	`captnoord`	`me to`
`14:53.04`	`captnoord`	`its like...... fucked up`
`14:53.13`	`captnoord`	`10 mbit became 4 mbit`
`14:53.16`	`captnoord`	`now its 2 mbit`
`14:53.33`	`captnoord`	`but`
`14:53.46`	`captnoord`	`we are going to be saved......`
`14:53.46`	`captnoord`	`:D`
`14:58.41`	`Marajin`	`they've dispatched a man to shoot you before it drops below 1mbps?`
`14:59.32`	`captnoord`	`yup`
`15:14.55`	`tmzt`	`found some interesting stuff`
`15:15.22`	`tmzt`	`android might be crashing after change sound profiles in logcat`
`15:16.11`	`tmzt`	`device shuts off no panic`
`15:16.48`	`tmzt`	`but I don't think any sound sysfs entries are registered and ADSP is disabled`
`15:21.00`	`perkka`	`?`
`15:21.45`	`tmzt`	`well it actually makes sense`
`15:21.57`	`tmzt`	`rild is failing if smd0 is not there`
`15:22.10`	`tmzt`	`so the phoneprovider nver runs`
`15:22.24`	`captnoord`	`creating a fake sound driver maybe fix?`
`15:22.37`	`tmzt`	`maybe`
`15:22.48`	`captnoord`	`its a hack fix I know`
`15:23.05`	`tmzt`	`but if this is the case it means it's not maejrep's 7500`
`15:23.12`	`tmzt`	`which is good`
`15:23.48`	`tmzt`	`what device do you have?`
`15:25.18`	`captnoord`	`me?`
`15:25.22`	`captnoord`	`raph 300`
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`15:26.18`	`AstainHasPS3`	`well thats good news there tmzt`
`15:26.19`	`tmzt`	`I need to look at dzo's ril`
`15:26.46`	`tmzt`	`or maybe there's a driver enabled that shouldn't be`
`15:26.56`	`tmzt`	`but I don't see it`
`15:27.19`	`tmzt`	`AstainHasPS3: does utb android shutdown your phone?`
`15:27.27`	`tmzt`	`withsmd-7500`
`15:27.42`	`AstainHasPS3`	`yes tmzt`
`15:27.49`	`tmzt`	`pmem`
`15:28.04`	`tmzt`	`pmem acoustic maybe`
`15:28.11`	`AstainHasPS3`	`hmm I wonder what would happen if I use'd dzo's android build for kaiser/vogue/whatever`
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`15:31.11`	`perkka`	`is there any terminal in android?`
`15:31.31`	`perkka`	`or do i need to do it outside`
`15:31.38`	`tmzt`	`which one?`
`15:32.20`	`perkka`	`20090222-ALTERNATE`
`15:32.37`	`perkka`	`think its android 1.1, might be 1.0`
`15:32.51`	`tmzt`	`from where I mean`
`15:32.58`	`tmzt`	`and what device`
`15:32.58`	`perkka`	`ah`
`15:33.04`	`perkka`	`diam100`
`15:33.12`	`tmzt`	`right`
`15:33.23`	`tmzt`	`utb doesn't have terminal`
`15:33.23`	`perkka`	`want console within android`
`15:33.39`	`tmzt`	`you have to copy it to newapps`
`15:33.40`	`perkka`	`hmm`
`15:33.51`	`tmzt`	`or telnet 192.168.0.206`
`15:33.57`	`tmzt`	`over usb`
`15:34.10`	`perkka`	`need to get that stuff working first?`
`15:34.18`	`perkka`	`and need console for that? :P`
`15:34.29`	`tmzt`	`no`
`15:34.37`	`tmzt`	`it brings up usb`
`15:34.44`	`perkka`	`k`
`15:34.47`	`tmzt`	`with that ip`
`15:34.54`	`tmzt`	`on pc`
`15:35.08`	`tmzt`	`ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.x`
`15:35.43`	`perkka`	any clue wth mac?`:P
`15:36.00`	`AstainHasPS3`	`install linux on it`
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`15:36.04`	`perkka`	`:P`
`15:38.17`	`tmzt`	`zaurus driver`
`15:38.22`	`tmzt`	`search`
`15:38.25`	`tmzt`	`ajzaurus`
`15:41.24`	`perkka`	`btw, power management will be nice when it works :P`
`15:41.39`	`perkka`	`my battery wont last long while in android :P`
`15:42.00`	`perkka`	`half an hour maybe an hour`
`15:51.32`	`Marajin`	`heh, ya know I think they've a way to go with the new manilla/tf3d/whatever you wanna call it`
`15:52.10`	`Marajin`	`replacing the start menu with a finger friendly thing is fine and all but it seems to be impossible to access the settings tabs, it just takes me to a massively reduced set of options done by a HTC style app`
`15:52.23`	`Marajin`	`and it's currently got itself stuck in the finger friendly menu and won't exit it, yay`
`15:52.46`	`Marajin`	`guess that's what comes for using pre release stuff but heh`
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`16:02.11`	`AstainHasPS3`	`ack bloody hell the u key not working is a pain in the ASS!!`
`16:02.19`	`Marajin`	`heh`
`16:02.28`	`Marajin`	`what's the u key broken on? your raph?`
`16:02.46`	`AstainHasPS3`	`yep raph800`
`16:02.57`	`Marajin`	`broken keyboard or just the drivers not working right?`
`16:03.05`	`AstainHasPS3`	`drivers`
`16:03.17`	`AstainHasPS3`	`the kernel doesnt have the u key mapped properly`
`16:03.25`	`Marajin`	`well there are more awkward keys to not work but u is a pretty big issue ye`
`16:03.26`	`Marajin`	`p`
`16:03.42`	`AstainHasPS3`	`pain in the ass to type in mount if you hae to hit the osk for U`
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`16:24.57`	`AstainHasPS3`	`morning dcordes`
`16:25.23`	`AstainHasPS3`	`tmzt well it started booting with dzo's android but had issues mounting the images to the loopback for some reason`
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`16:58.04`	`Gentoon`	`Whats up everyone`
`17:01.18`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt: ?`
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`17:34.30`	`perkka`	`hmm`
`17:34.42`	`perkka`	`what did they do to get sound on vogue?`
`17:36.29`	`Gentoon`	`Wrote a sound driver for the vogues hardware....`
`17:38.08`	`perkka`	`hmm`
`17:38.12`	`perkka`	`ey!`
`17:38.18`	`perkka`	`is htc magic released?`
`17:39.24`	`perkka`	`i kind of want that`
`17:39.45`	`perkka`	`its a msm7201A phone`
`17:49.28`	`Gentoon`	`lol I know`
`17:49.31`	`Gentoon`	`I dunno`
`17:56.54`	`Marajin`	`perkka: um, yeah, just like every other HTC device in the last like 2 years :p`
`17:57.06`	`Marajin`	`ok ok, last year for 720/1/`
`17:58.54`	`Marajin`	`Raph, Diam, Blackstone, Kovs, Dream, Magic, Rhodium, etc, etc. are all 7201A as far as I know`
`18:00.29`	`Marajin`	`perkka: http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&cpu=a7201a <-- ahem`
`18:02.32`	`Marajin`	`it's a less ugly dream with out a keyboard`
`18:04.50`	`Gentoon`	`well there is supposed to be a new chip based on nehalem that htc is going to be using`
`18:07.42`	`Marajin`	`that's the athena 2`
`18:07.43`	`Marajin`	`I think`
`18:07.55`	`Gentoon`	`the chip?`
`18:07.57`	`Marajin`	`ah wait, no that's not used by any currently known device`
`18:08.12`	`Gentoon`	`Naw this chip will be fast it wont be out for a few quarters`
`18:08.13`	`Marajin`	`the next year or so is already booked with MSM devices`
`18:08.30`	`Marajin`	`but the Athena 2 will be the ..snapdragon I think?`
`18:08.32`	`Marajin`	`1Ghz`
`18:08.45`	`Gentoon`	`I am talking dual core 1.8 3200mhz fsb fast`
`18:08.51`	`Marajin`	`in a phone?`
`18:08.57`	`Marajin`	`rolls around the floor laughing.`
`18:08.59`	`Gentoon`	`Yes lol its nehalem`
`18:09.13`	`Marajin`	`it'll eat batteries like they were chocolate covered wafers`
`18:09.27`	`Gentoon`	`Nope 1/3 the power consumption of msm`
`18:09.40`	`Marajin`	`no I think if they use such a chip it's at smallest going to be in a shift replacement`
`18:09.45`	`Gentoon`	`Have you read anything about nehalem?`
`18:10.00`	`Marajin`	`1/3rd the consumption of an MSM? from a desktop chip redux?`
`18:10.07`	`Gentoon`	`lol they have already made the decision it was in an htc press release`
`18:10.18`	`Gentoon`	`Its not a desktop chip redux`
`18:10.33`	`Gentoon`	`this is a specificly designed nehalem intel chip`
`18:10.39`	`Gentoon`	`Like xscale was designed`
`18:11.00`	`Marajin`	`the nehalem is the Core i7 you muppet`
`18:11.08`	`Gentoon`	`no`
`18:11.11`	`Marajin`	`yes`
`18:11.12`	`Marajin`	`google it`
`18:11.35`	`Gentoon`	`Lmao you are a tool Nehalem is a new acrchitecture i7 is just the first chip to use it`
`18:11.46`	`Gentoon`	`You really should read more.`
`18:12.26`	`Marajin`	`that's like saying an atom is a phone chip too though`
`18:13.03`	`Marajin`	`it's a deranged concept to scale such a chip/core to embedded sizes`
`18:13.21`	`Gentoon`	`No, you have already proven you have no clue what your talking about...`
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`18:13.50`	`Gentoon`	`There is a new mobile chip being designed with the nehalem arch... go read about it...`
`18:14.26`	`Gentoon`	`It has nothing to do with scaling anything down, its being built from the ground up using this new architecture...`
`18:14.58`	`Marajin`	`sub 10W? it's still a bit above mobile devices AFAIK`
`18:15.13`	`Gentoon`	`wtf are you talking about?`
`18:15.21`	`Gentoon`	`sighs`
`18:15.37`	`Gentoon`	`You are just not qualified to be having this conversation...`
`18:16.13`	`Gentoon`	`EVERYTHING is being designed for mobile phones... just like the xscale... using the nehalem architecture..... Is it so hard to understand?`
`18:17.04`	`Marajin`	`I don't believe they can scale the nehalem design to fit mobile devices smaller than a UMPC and can see nothing on google regarding anything lower than about 10W`
`18:17.18`	`Marajin`	`if you can find me the press statement, I'll accept it`
`18:17.23`	`Marajin`	`otherwise it sounds absurd to me`
`18:18.37`	`Gentoon`	`Oh its pointless...`
`18:18.49`	`Gentoon`	`An architecture doesnt have to be SCALED DOWN....`
`18:19.00`	`Gentoon`	`Do you even know what an Architecture is?`
`18:19.30`	`Marajin`	`Ok, so you're saying the're making x86 compatible embedded processors a la geode and such?`
`18:19.57`	`ali1234`	`x86... in a phone... that's a good one`
`18:20.34`	`Marajin`	`Calpella, is this what you're talking about?`
`18:21.02`	`Gentoon`	`ARm and Mipps?`
`18:21.04`	`Gentoon`	`Mips`
`18:21.04`	`Marajin`	`has been googling the concept. There is some mention of making atom like processors using the nehalem basis for 'Mobile Internet devices'`
`18:21.22`	`Gentoon`	`Google htc nehalem...`
`18:21.32`	`Marajin`	`I did, it didn't hit anything relevant`
`18:21.57`	`Gentoon`	`lol guess your google is different than everyone elses lmfao.`
`18:22.14`	`Marajin`	`ali1234: seriously, maybe I am being idiotic but does it make sense to you?`
`18:22.16`	`ali1234`	`same for me`
`18:22.21`	`Gentoon`	`Hey ali1234 think a Vogue linwizard port would be difficult?`
`18:22.32`	`ali1234`	`linwizard is just gentoo`
`18:22.40`	`ali1234`	`wait, gizard is just gentoo`
`18:22.48`	`Gentoon`	`lol`
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`18:22.52`	`ali1234`	`linwizard is a kernel for omap processors`
`18:22.56`	`Ben-`	`hi folk`
`18:22.56`	`Gentoon`	`Yes but the userspace`
`18:23.11`	`ali1234`	`right, the userspace = gizard = gentoo`
`18:23.40`	`Gentoon`	`I am just looking for some kind of linux with x for mah vogue`
`18:24.06`	`Ben-`	`anything new about linux/android on blackstone? :)`
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`18:25.47`	`Gentoon`	`Ima try cupcake`
`18:27.52`	`ali1234`	`gizard should be generic enough to run on msm anyway`
`18:28.07`	`Gentoon`	`What desktop manager does it have?`
`18:28.16`	`ali1234`	`currently none`
`18:28.19`	`Gentoon`	`bb?`
`18:28.22`	`ali1234`	`it's all broken`
`18:28.23`	`Gentoon`	`oh no x?`
`18:28.38`	`ali1234`	`the old version had gpe`
`18:28.42`	`Gentoon`	`is there a softkeyboard?`
`18:28.55`	`Gentoon`	`I can just use the android kernel I guess`
`18:29.02`	`ali1234`	`no soft keyboard`
`18:29.02`	`Gentoon`	`it has a soft keyboard`
`18:29.35`	`Gentoon`	`So I can use dzo's android kernel with your gizard userspace?`
`18:29.45`	`ali1234`	`maybe`
`18:29.47`	`Gentoon`	`and that should at least give me a console?`
`18:30.01`	`ali1234`	`if it doesn't boot directly to a none-functional x server, yes`
`18:30.22`	`Gentoon`	`does it have init set to 5?`
`18:30.26`	`Marajin`	`meh you can always break the initscripts, 's what we used to do with OE builds that had broken X`
`18:30.55`	`ali1234`	`i have no idea`
`18:31.02`	`Gentoon`	`I sure would like to fix x? why dont I use previous version with gpe? Something wrong with it>`
`18:31.28`	`ali1234`	`because somebody accidentally the whole download directory :/`
`18:32.27`	`ali1234`	`so now all we have is the development branch`
`18:33.18`	`Gentoon`	`its not anywhere else on the net or anyone elses machine?`
`18:33.31`	`Gentoon`	`or do you mean you just lost the source?`
`18:34.21`	`ali1234`	`we just lost the download directory`
`18:36.59`	`Gentoon`	`wow wordpad in wm7 is basicly a stripped down word`
`18:37.23`	`Gentoon`	`Win7 I mean`
`18:38.14`	`Marajin`	`you tried playing with the new paint yet?`
`18:38.14`	`Marajin`	`heh`
`18:39.54`	`Gentoon`	`uh uh`
`18:40.10`	`Gentoon`	`lol it looks like word too wtf`
`18:40.21`	`Gentoon`	`brushes?`
`18:40.23`	`Gentoon`	`wow`
`18:40.29`	`Marajin`	`nods happily.`
`18:40.45`	`Gentoon`	`Can you use ps brushes>`
`18:40.46`	`Gentoon`	`?`
`18:41.18`	`Marajin`	`dunno, I didn't play with it for long, I put it on my tablet/UMPC thing just to see how it ran, mostly stick to linux/XP Tablet on that device`
`18:42.25`	`Gentoon`	`I am actully impressed with wm7 so far, been using it about 2 weeks without a restart... No glitches or uac gayness`
`18:42.35`	`Gentoon`	`It seems like what vista should have been to begin with`
`18:53.56`	`Marajin`	`yeah I tend to agree. It's genuinely faster too`
`18:54.14`	`AstainHasPS3`	`hell in many cases faster than xp too`
`18:54.55`	`Marajin`	`ummm, about the same for actual program excution, but the UI is snappy and has some genuinely useful additions`
`18:55.00`	`Gentoon`	`Hell ya I was running it on a PIII with 512mb RAM`
`18:55.08`	`Gentoon`	`and it was almost as responsive as ubuntu`
`18:55.17`	`AstainHasPS3`	`I had it on my old p4 laptop and it was incredible how well it ran`
`18:55.19`	`Gentoon`	`PIII 900Mhz`
`18:55.59`	`Marajin`	`I ran it on an A100 (600mhz) and it ran fine heh`
`18:56.07`	`Gentoon`	`I am only running it on a 2Ghz AMD with 1.5 Gig of ddr400 right now and its great`
`18:56.44`	`Gentoon`	`I can't believe I will be able to use MS's latest release for once`
`18:56.57`	`Marajin`	`I could do some net stuff, draw something in paint on the screen with the touchscreen and watch SD movies streamed over wifi from an smb share, so it was good enough for me yep`
`18:57.01`	`Gentoon`	`Instead of having to be 1 or 2 versions behind`
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`18:58.10`	`Marajin`	`couldn't run HD movies but only fucking just not run and for a 600mhz A100 system... that's impressive actually`
`18:58.20`	`Gentoon`	`lol`
`18:58.37`	`Marajin`	`it'd stutter every 15-20 seconds`
`18:58.42`	`Gentoon`	`I still cant run h.264 on my touch without lag`
`18:59.22`	`AstainHasPS3`	`Gentoon its cause there is no good video drivers out there for your touch`
`18:59.24`	`Marajin`	`well my HD movies are in 264 but heh, bitrate++ ;)`
`18:59.44`	`Marajin`	`I once played a 720p video on my kaiser`
`18:59.48`	`Marajin`	`er`
`18:59.49`	`Marajin`	`hermes`
`18:59.52`	`Marajin`	`on my hermes`
`18:59.59`	`Marajin`	`I never even played divx/xvid on my kaiser`
`19:00.12`	`Gentoon`	`lol`
`19:00.18`	`AstainHasPS3`	`yep kaiser has shitty vid drivers too`
`19:00.22`	`Gentoon`	`God damn it I wish I could get ppp working`
`19:00.28`	`Gentoon`	`It is drivin me mad`
`19:00.33`	`Marajin`	`the hermes was so much faster :( it was saddening`
`19:00.42`	`Marajin`	`'woo upgrade!.... that's slower.. by miles... sigh'`
`19:07.30`	`Marajin`	`seriously it's why I'm so much happier with the kovsky`
`19:09.05`	`Gentoon`	`What linux distro do you use?`
`19:09.25`	`Marajin`	`gentoo or ubuntu derivative depending on whether I feel lazy or not`
`19:10.06`	`Gentoon`	`lol wow me too`
`19:10.28`	`Gentoon`	`Although the last few weeks I have been really lazy and been only using ubuntu`
`19:10.50`	`Marajin`	`my server's been running gentoo for like 6 years with just periodic emerge -ue world's whenever I change the hardware majorly`
`19:11.32`	`Gentoon`	`I am thinkin about oickin up a i7 board and proc for my new gentoo box`
`19:11.37`	`Gentoon`	`pickin`
`19:11.45`	`Marajin`	`hehe, fear the compile speed!`
`19:11.51`	`Gentoon`	`I wish the boards didnt start at 350 bucks though`
`19:11.58`	`Marajin`	`I laughed when my emerge -ue worlds got down to a coupla hours`
`19:12.04`	`Gentoon`	`The procs are cheap suprisingly`
`19:12.13`	`Gentoon`	`wow really`
`19:12.22`	`Marajin`	`yeah quad xeon with plenty of RAM`
`19:12.40`	`Gentoon`	`Nice`
`19:14.03`	`Gentoon`	`think i just found my mobo`
`19:14.04`	`Gentoon`	`http://shop4.frys.com/product/5806553;jsessionid=Kt1tq03ZvhVBT6XHBZtCzg**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG`
`19:14.08`	`Gentoon`	`Nice and cheap`
`19:14.38`	`Marajin`	`255 bucks? heh`
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`19:14.43`	`Marajin`	`well cheap/er/ certainly`
`19:15.36`	`Gentoon`	`Cheap for i7 board`
`19:15.43`	`Marajin`	`eminently true tha`
`19:15.45`	`Marajin`	`t`
`19:15.47`	`Gentoon`	`I have been seeing them for around 300 400`
`19:16.06`	`Marajin`	`hmm`
`19:16.10`	`Marajin`	`checks his local supplier.`
`19:17.16`	`Marajin`	`237.67 USD`
`19:17.57`	`Gentoon`	`http://shop4.frys.com/product/5751792?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG`
`19:18.07`	`Gentoon`	`I wish i could afford that`
`19:19.20`	`Gentoon`	`Im sure it will come down`
`19:19.44`	`Marajin`	`haha, EEs? they're incredibly poor price-performance ratios really, though I've not even looked at the i7s actually.`
`19:20.16`	`Marajin`	`remember the first P4 EEs?`
`19:20.27`	`Marajin`	`1000 bucks for like 5% more performance than a 250 buck one?`
`19:21.28`	`dcordes`	`http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=GOCE`
`19:22.49`	`Gentoon`	`Look at theQuick Path Speed: 6.4 GT/s`
`19:23.00`	`Gentoon`	`Thats alot more than 5% difference`
`19:23.05`	`dcordes`	`is happy with p5kc, E6750 and 1gb ddr2 memory`
`19:23.09`	`Gentoon`	`plus a whole GHz faster`
`19:24.12`	`Marajin`	`yeah but look at the actual benchmark results, you get about 15% more realistically for a 300% pricetag versus a 920`
`19:24.52`	`Gentoon`	`Ya those benchmarks arent for linux compiling`
`19:25.12`	`Marajin`	`true, that's a gaming benchmark, in video encoding and decoding the difference drops to 10%`
`19:25.40`	`Gentoon`	`I am sure its at least 30% when it comes to compiling`
`19:26.52`	`Marajin`	`well yeah but you're still paying 10% more in price for every 1% faster on compilation`
`19:27.39`	`Marajin`	`now to be fair, if I had a million bucks, I'd buy it anyway`
`19:28.07`	`Gentoon`	`lol`
`19:28.30`	`Gentoon`	`Well I saved 2300 from my tax return to build a new machine`
`19:28.39`	`Marajin`	`wonder how it stacks against a Phenom II black edition`
`19:28.43`	`Gentoon`	`But I still don't think I will get it`
`19:29.53`	`Gentoon`	`Wow a complete i7 machine with good ram for under 1000 bucks`
`19:30.28`	`Gentoon`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229072`
`19:31.09`	`ali1234`	`compiling is io bound anyway, you're better off buying a really huge ramdisk if you want it to be faster`
`19:31.21`	`ali1234`	`that goes for most things actually`
`19:31.32`	`Marajin`	`Nice, the i7 920 eats a phenom II under linux compiling stuff`
`19:31.47`	`Marajin`	`http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=ssd-21987-17132-27905`
`19:32.52`	`Marajin`	`20 secs to compile apache 2`
`19:33.14`	`AstainHasPS3`	`dual quad core xeons with 24gb of ram kick ass for compiling :D`
`19:33.44`	`Gentoon`	`lol I bet, wonder if I can afford one`
`19:33.47`	`Marajin`	`AstainHasPS3: I know :P`
`19:34.10`	`Marajin`	`Gentoon: too be fair, as ali says it's IO bound and the phenom II they clock has a single SATA drive whereas the i7 is a raid10 system`
`19:34.43`	`Marajin`	`6 disk raid10`
`19:35.02`	`Marajin`	`so that may account for a lot of the 20 vs 29 seconds`
`19:35.21`	`Gentoon`	`I can't find any dual quad core xeons on newegg`
`19:35.35`	`Marajin`	`I have a dual socket board but I don't have a 2nd processor`
`19:36.36`	`Gentoon`	`What socket do ya need for a xeon?`
`19:37.11`	`AstainHasPS3`	`Gentoon theres tons on there`
`19:37.19`	`Marajin`	`771/775 ? I think, I have to check. But it depends WHICH xeon`
`19:37.48`	`Marajin`	`603/604/771/775 that I can remember anyway`
`19:38.22`	`Marajin`	`mine is 771 I believe`
`19:38.40`	`AstainHasPS3`	`771`
`19:39.21`	`AstainHasPS3`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816152078`
`19:40.12`	`Marajin`	`btw, do bear in mind that if you buy server boards they aren't always ATX`
`19:40.15`	`Gentoon`	`Oh I forgot xeon is only for servers`
`19:40.25`	`Gentoon`	`Can you but that board in a regular case?`
`19:40.31`	`Gentoon`	`put`
`19:40.32`	`AstainHasPS3`	`that system I linked to is great`
`19:40.41`	`AstainHasPS3`	`but yah if you want regular system`
`19:41.04`	`AstainHasPS3`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000200302+1071321504&Configurator=&Subcategory=302&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=`
`19:41.24`	`Marajin`	`he didn't link to a board, he linked to a barebone 1U system`
`19:41.29`	`Marajin`	`i.e. board and case combined`
`19:41.45`	`Gentoon`	`Yes I know`
`19:41.50`	`AstainHasPS3`	`second link is direct for dual lga771 boards`
`19:42.00`	`Gentoon`	`As I said can you put that board in a regular case`
`19:42.19`	`Marajin`	`they do make boards that are ATX with dual 771 sockets (for I have one)`
`19:42.39`	`Marajin`	`however that board specifically.. I'd have to check`
`19:42.52`	`AstainHasPS3`	`points at second link lots of boards there for dual lga771`
`19:42.54`	`AstainHasPS3`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000200302+1071321504&Configurator=&Subcategory=302&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=`
`19:43.07`	`Marajin`	`they do flag ATX in the list AstainHasPS3 pasted`
`19:43.08`	`Marajin`	`ah`
`19:43.08`	`Marajin`	`heh`
`19:43.53`	`Gentoon`	`omg the first one he posted...`
`19:44.00`	`Marajin`	`just check the specs, if it says ATX you're fine, if it says SSI CCB or something then you're shafted`
`19:44.02`	`Gentoon`	`can it be put in a standard case?`
`19:44.14`	`Marajin`	`no it's an SSI EEB`
`19:44.22`	`Gentoon`	`shhh not talking to you... I FUCKING hate RTFM manual people`
`19:44.41`	`Gentoon`	`If I wanted to read the specs I would have huh?`
`19:44.47`	`Marajin`	`I just answered your question anyway`
`19:45.05`	`Marajin`	`it's SSI EEB which means it'll screw in an ATX case but it'll overhang and your heatsink won't hava nything to screw to`
`19:45.57`	`Gentoon`	`So your stuck with no place for internal optical drives?`
`19:46.15`	`Marajin`	`and your heatsinks will fall off and that's a problem yeah :P`
`19:46.33`	`Marajin`	`SSI EEB boards have passthroughs, the heatsinks screw through the board and onto the backplane of the case`
`19:47.36`	`Gentoon`	`Ill go with an extended atx then`
`19:47.36`	`Marajin`	`there's no retention clip for the heatsink basically.`
`19:47.56`	`Marajin`	`yep, safest bet`
`19:48.12`	`Marajin`	`you'd have to bodge it to use the others and I wouldn't wanna risk it at that price tag, know what I mean?`
`19:49.36`	`Gentoon`	`Yup`
`19:49.41`	`Gentoon`	`Wtf is pata?`
`19:49.55`	`Gentoon`	`Parallel instead of Serial?`
`19:50.29`	`Marajin`	`yeah`
`19:50.32`	`Marajin`	`it's the new age name for IDE`
`19:50.51`	`Marajin`	`well parallel IDE`
`19:51.20`	`Gentoon`	`wow`
`19:51.27`	`perkka`	`Marajin: the reason i said that about magic earlier was because it's running android... on msm7201`
`19:51.36`	`Gentoon`	`So am I`
`19:51.45`	`Gentoon`	`With no net cause my ppp is all screwed up`
`19:52.10`	`Marajin`	`perkka: so is the dream`
`19:52.36`	`Gentoon`	`huh?`
`19:52.37`	`Marajin`	`perkka: the spec of the dream vs the magic is nearly identical, they just took the keyboard away`
`19:52.41`	`Gentoon`	`What about this guy?`
`19:52.43`	`Gentoon`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121366`
`19:52.54`	`Gentoon`	`It can take and Quad Core Xeon?`
`19:53.17`	`Marajin`	`"Form Factor SSI EEB"`
`19:53.23`	`Marajin`	`all the 771 boards will take 2 x quad xeons`
`19:54.03`	`Marajin`	`rather all of the dual socket 771 boards will take 2x quad xeons`
`19:54.21`	`AstainHasPS3`	`well yes they will take them but they may not support them`
`19:54.35`	`Gentoon`	`it supports this one`
`19:54.36`	`Gentoon`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117139`
`19:54.43`	`Gentoon`	`but it is procey wow`
`19:54.57`	`perkka`	`Marajin: so what about drivers from them?`
`19:55.00`	`perkka`	`for sound etc`
`19:55.19`	`Marajin`	`perkka: heh, well we did base the original builds on the source used for the dream yep`
`19:56.10`	`Marajin`	`that's why the vogue/kaiser/polaris got android running before the dream was even on the market officially`
`19:56.28`	`Gentoon`	`okay cheapest ones I can find`
`19:56.32`	`Marajin`	`but the hardware isn't 100% identical in how it's connected`
`19:56.33`	`Gentoon`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117151`
`19:56.52`	`Marajin`	`although it is identical in performance realistically`
`19:57.33`	`perkka`	`so what about the diamond? :O`
`19:57.42`	`Marajin`	`Gentoon: they're nice, you can rape them sideways and your temperature will go virtually nowhere.`
`19:57.54`	`Marajin`	`I've seen my server's core temp as low as 9 C idle heh`
`19:58.26`	`Marajin`	`stock cooling but a cooled room too`
`19:59.01`	`perkka`	`shouldnt the sound be processed the same way`
`19:59.12`	`perkka`	`or what am i missing`
`19:59.25`	`Marajin`	`perkka: um I'm not the best person to explain (I suck at teaching people things)`
`19:59.57`	`perkka`	`you can try ;)`
`20:00.52`	`Marajin`	`perkka: I'm not evil enough to try, I don't want to be responsible for your nervous breakdown ;)`
`20:01.26`	`perkka`	`i think it wouldnt be that hard`
`20:01.29`	`perkka`	`:P`
`20:03.03`	`perkka`	`do they have separate sound processing chips that differs?`
`20:03.35`	`Marajin`	`I don't think so, I actually never looked into the dsp. I was more concerned with the SD last time I was paying attention to driver/kernel level stuff`
`20:04.26`	`perkka`	`since sound is a main issue on diamond`
`20:04.28`	`Marajin`	`anyway, honestly the best I can say (with regards to sound) was that if the code was easily snaffled from elsewhere you can trust it'd have been done already.`
`20:05.10`	`perkka`	`:P`
`20:05.30`	`perkka`	`people does sometime forget the out of the box thinking ;)`
`20:05.48`	`Marajin`	`haha`
`20:05.50`	`Marajin`	`yeah true`
`20:06.03`	`Marajin`	`well you can ask the person in charge of the diamond stuff`
`20:06.23`	`Marajin`	`are diamond/raph radio roms interchangeable?`
`20:06.35`	`perkka`	`currently searching for g1 fw`
`20:06.41`	`perkka`	`dunno`
`20:07.06`	`Marajin`	`google have a git repo with their code in somewhere`
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`20:07.31`	`Marajin`	`hey Zoolooc`
`20:08.17`	`Zoolooc`	`hey Marajin`
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`20:10.53`	`Marajin`	`who IS in charge of the diamond port?`
`20:11.29`	`perkka`	`i dont know`
`20:11.46`	`perkka`	`Marajin: do you have any link to any g1 fw`
`20:12.35`	`Marajin`	`not off hand sorry perkka`
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`20:37.08`	`perkka`	`it atleast was'nt as simple to take the kernel from the dream :P`
`20:38.01`	`perkka`	`dont say anythin! :P`
`20:38.07`	`perkka`	`you dont know for sure unless you try`
`20:39.22`	`Gentoon`	`https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=9469065 thats what I came out with`
`20:40.40`	`AstainHasPS3`	`Gentoon you're gonna have to make that public`
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`20:41.38`	`perkka`	`whats that?`
`20:42.23`	`perkka`	`cant see it`
`20:42.26`	`perkka`	`need to login`
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`20:45.20`	`perkka`	`its late`
`20:45.23`	`perkka`	`gotta sleep`
`20:45.24`	`perkka`	`gn`
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`20:54.07`	`Gentoon`	`hmm I check shared`
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`20:58.52`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt ya around yet?`
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`21:12.58`	`Muzer`	`Just wanted to say: You guys are awesome :D`
`21:14.07`	`Muzer`	`Once the bugs are ironed out of the HTC Diamond Touch Linux, I'll definitely be using it`
`21:16.02`	`Muzer`	`I don't care it doesn't have many features yet; just the fact that I can use it without harming Windows (well, once I stop hearing of weird Windows bugs after using Android that is) makes it good enough for me to warrant running and playing with`
`21:17.11`	`Gentoon`	`lol what weird bugs?`
`21:17.30`	`Gentoon`	`Its impossible for it to affect the winmo part of the phone lol`
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`21:17.45`	`Muzer`	`I've heard of people not being able to install CABs after using it`
`21:17.49`	`Muzer`	`it's on the FAQ somewhere`
`21:17.53`	`Muzer`	`unless that's outdated`
`21:18.30`	`Gentoon`	`Ya thats unrelated to this. Unless its a haret bug.. since that is the ONLY data that is executed inside of winmo`
`21:18.52`	`Muzer`	`ah, OK :)`
`21:18.57`	`Muzer`	`I may as well just try it now then`
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`21:19.17`	`Muzer`	`Is this the build to use: http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=view.download&cid=26 ?`
`21:19.49`	`Gentoon`	`I don't know about diamond but I believe dzo's works for diamond`
`21:20.00`	`Gentoon`	`utd does`
`21:20.08`	`Gentoon`	`utb lemme get ya a link`
`21:21.46`	`Muzer`	`BTW: Am I right in thinking that this is the "official" Wiki of the project: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux ?`
`21:21.57`	`Gentoon`	`Try this`
`21:21.59`	`Gentoon`	`http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=view.download&cid=26`
`21:22.15`	`Gentoon`	`It all depends different people are doing different versions on different devices`
`21:22.19`	`Muzer`	`Gentoon: Yeah, that's the same one that I linked to ;)`
`21:22.31`	`Muzer`	`I'm just interested in Diamond stuff`
`21:22.38`	`Gentoon`	`lol ya it is lol`
`21:22.47`	`Gentoon`	`Ya I am not sure I am a vogue user`
`21:23.25`	`Muzer`	`I just bought my Diamond second-hand today, and it's really great! I love it!`
`21:23.40`	`Muzer`	`Only gripe is I can't rotate the keyboard to be horizontal, that would be so much more efficient`
`21:23.57`	`Gentoon`	`Sweet I go a touch cause I knew it was furthest along as far as android ports go`
`21:24.03`	`Muzer`	`I got it cheap for £170 because it only came with a charger`
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`21:24.41`	`Muzer`	`BTW, I assume it will work if I download it via GPRS on the phone itself, I just prefer it like that.`
`21:25.12`	`Gentoon`	`Ya just make sure it ends up /tmp/boot`
`21:25.18`	`Muzer`	`yeah :)`
`21:25.35`	`Gentoon`	`Prepare to be blown away my friend`
`21:25.39`	`Muzer`	`heh`
`21:25.52`	`Muzer`	`I'm glad it does exist and it is in development`
`21:25.57`	`Gentoon`	`well actually I am not sure how well diamond works, but if its anything like vogue you will be happy`
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`21:26.17`	`Muzer`	`when I was asking about phones on the internet, someone recommended it but said Linux wasn't very far yet on it. It's come miles in this short amount of time :D`
`21:26.27`	`Muzer`	`See here for what works: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux`
`21:26.30`	`Gentoon`	`Im stuck with no net cause my carrier uses a proxy and I can't find a way to get it to work`
`21:26.54`	`Muzer`	`Not much, but it'll be fun to play with`
`21:27.08`	`Muzer`	`I'll have to see which version I have exactly`
`21:27.45`	`Muzer`	`Which carrier do you have? Mine has a proxy too and it's so intrusive and annoying`
`21:28.19`	`Gentoon`	`Cricket`
`21:28.29`	`Muzer`	`Which country is that?`
`21:29.18`	`Muzer`	`I'm on O2 Pay and Go in the UK, with an internet add-on thing which means I get unlimited browsing for £7.50 a month, but it's been snail pace recently so I'm considering switching to Vodafone, who don't require a proxy.`
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`21:29.36`	`Gentoon`	`United States`
`21:29.55`	`Muzer`	`ah`
`21:30.04`	`Gentoon`	`Ya well good luck getting your net workin and if ya do lemme know`
`21:30.28`	`Muzer`	`Well, neither GPRS nor WiFi works in Android on the Diamond, so I won't be able to yet ;)`
`21:30.36`	`Muzer`	`But I'll let you know if I figure out proxies`
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`21:30.59`	`Muzer`	`I'm pretty good with Linux, but I've never had to use proxies before. Plus, there doesn't seem to be a standard setup for it, it's app independant`
`21:32.37`	`lupine_85`	`Muzer, I always had decent 'net experience with Voda`
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`21:32.53`	`Muzer`	`:)`
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`21:33.04`	`Muzer`	`I'm looking forward to when GPRS and/or WiFi is implemented then :)`
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`21:34.03`	`Muzer`	`It's great it being in constant development, for example, on the Wii, there was one big update that did most things decently, but not WiFi or DVD support, then there has been nothing for months`
`21:35.03`	`n8thegr87`	`quick question, how was the system.img trimmed down in dzo's packages? I'm compiling from android source and I can get to the desktop, but it's unresponsive, and checking the logs, there's only 1mb free memory`
`21:35.26`	`n8thegr87`	`I'm on a titan btw`
`21:36.46`	`Muzer`	`I like the "Release Early, Release Often" policy`
`21:38.51`	`Gentoon`	`Fuck I really wanna figure out why my net isnt working`
`21:39.12`	`Gentoon`	`I don't think its the proxy yet, cause i can't even pinp my ptp address or any outside ip`
`21:39.13`	`Muzer`	`Gentoon: Well, figure out how to enter proxy servers`
`21:39.19`	`Muzer`	`hmm`
`21:39.20`	`Muzer`	`wierd`
`21:39.21`	`Muzer`	`*weird`
`21:39.23`	`Gentoon`	`YA`
`21:39.31`	`Gentoon`	`And Toga says its connected`
`21:39.31`	`Muzer`	`I'll be able to help you once GPRS support is in Diamond Android`
`21:40.06`	`Gentoon`	`I have had tmzt trying to help me, even dzo... I found a few people with the same problems on a few threads but thats about it`
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`21:43.05`	`Muzer`	`that IS weird then...`
`21:49.27`	`Muzer`	`why do people, even when compressing things like Linux, still have to use propriatary formats?`
`21:50.34`	`Muzer`	`First ZIP, now RAR, what next? ACE? :p`
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`21:54.05`	`n8thegr87`	`what I hate even more than proprietary compression formats is proprietary disc image formates (uif, etc..)`
`21:56.23`	`Gentoon`	`its so weird ifconfig ppp0 says ip 10.99.35.148 mask 255.255.255.255 flags up point-to-point running multicast`
`21:56.43`	`Gentoon`	`but I cant ping the ptp address?`
`21:57.36`	`Marajin_`	`..whoa nice, illegal but nice... they've put wossname, what's the name of that office suite that's full featured they do for windows/linux/win mobile?... they've put that in this X1 firmware`
`21:59.02`	`Gentoon`	`OOo?`
`21:59.10`	`Gentoon`	`Open Office .org`
`21:59.45`	`lupine_85`	`why illegal?`
`22:00.21`	`Marajin_`	`no it's not OO.o`
`22:00.26`	`Marajin_`	`they do a Win Mo version of OO.o?`
`22:00.40`	`Marajin_`	`SoftMaker office is the one I mean`
`22:00.50`	`Marajin_`	`lupine_85: um it's a cooked rom, ergo not legally licenced`
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`22:05.53`	`Muzer`	`Hmm`
`22:05.58`	`Muzer`	`just tried a boot`
`22:06.47`	`Muzer`	`It seemed to hang after messages about mmcblk0`
`22:07.04`	`Muzer`	`I'll try again, if it happens again, I'll get the exact error`
`22:07.12`	`Muzer`	`Well, not error`
`22:07.13`	`Muzer`	`message`
`22:07.56`	`Gentoon`	`What kinda mem card ya using?`
`22:08.00`	`Gentoon`	`sd or sdhc?`
`22:08.28`	`Muzer`	`I'm not`
`22:08.30`	`Muzer`	`it's internal`
`22:08.40`	`Muzer`	`it's an internal 4GB storage device`
`22:08.55`	`Muzer`	`I suspect it's just an internal SD card of some sort`
`22:09.23`	`Gentoon`	`Ya I think people have only had sucess on diam with a removable sd card...`
`22:09.33`	`Gentoon`	`I am not sure though`
`22:10.29`	`Muzer`	`Hmm`
`22:10.31`	`Marajin_`	`erm, I may be wrong but I thought the diam doesn't have an SD slot`
`22:10.42`	`Muzer`	`indeed it does not`
`22:10.45`	`n8thegr87`	`does anyone know where I can find a list of the absolutely necessary processes to be running for android? I'm trying to get a minimal system running from source on my titan`
`22:10.52`	`Muzer`	`I think it might only work on DIAM110 though, I have a DIAM100`
`22:11.13`	`Muzer`	`see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux#Hardwarex20.differencesx20.andx20.configurations`
`22:12.04`	`Gentoon`	`oh lol then I am not getting one`
`22:12.19`	`Marajin`	`yeah a lot of people shunned the diamond for no SD slot and got the raph instead I heard`
`22:12.37`	`Muzer`	`Weird`
`22:12.40`	`Gentoon`	`Muzer: That link I posted was for 100`
`22:12.45`	`Muzer`	`just tried it again`
`22:12.49`	`Muzer`	`Got past that bit`
`22:12.52`	`Gentoon`	`There was a glitch on the regular image for 100 users`
`22:13.29`	`Gentoon`	`Sweet where did ya get stuck this time?`
`22:13.52`	`Muzer`	`now it has loads of messages, about one per second, all saying "init: cannot execve('/system/bin/debuggerd'): Exec format error`
`22:14.43`	`Gentoon`	`wow`
`22:14.48`	`Gentoon`	`Thats new to me`
`22:15.11`	`Muzer`	`Notice it is spelt "execve", rather than what I assume it should be, "execute"`
`22:15.24`	`Muzer`	`tries again`
`22:15.31`	`Muzer`	`the vibrator works though :p`
`22:15.44`	`Muzer`	`It vibrates once on boot of Linux`
`22:17.03`	`Gentoon`	`ill brb under linux`
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`22:17.55`	`Muzer`	`I'm running Linux already ;)`
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`22:23.50`	`Gentoon`	`Okay good ol responsive Ubuntu`
`22:30.49`	`Gentoon`	`Anyone alive?`
`22:31.14`	`AstainHasPS3`	`nope`
`22:31.24`	`Muzer`	`Is that file really needed?`
`22:31.35`	`Muzer`	`(/system/bin/debuggerd)`
`22:31.57`	`Muzer`	`it just seems like a debugging daemon, is it needed? Could I replace it with an empty shell script?`
`22:32.02`	`Gentoon`	`AstainHasPS3: How ya doin?`
`22:32.22`	`AstainHasPS3`	`doing good`
`22:32.44`	`Muzer`	`worth a try`
`22:34.10`	`Muzer`	`Hmm, that's so odd`
`22:34.19`	`Muzer`	`maybe it's a bad download?`
`22:34.32`	`Muzer`	`ah well`
`22:34.36`	`Muzer`	`I'll try more tomorrow`
`22:34.40`	`Muzer`	`cya`
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`22:48.49`	`Gentoon`	`AstainHasPS3: Man I am getting mad at my vogue lol I still cant get ppp goin in android`
`22:56.42`	`Gentoon`	`tmzt ya on yet?`
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`23:48.55`	`Gentoon`	`Man I hope tmzt gets here soon I have to crash in a few hours`
`23:59.27`	`imfloflo`	`is somebody can explain to me how launch more than one haretconsole instance to recorde log on computer?`

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