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01:03.23pzztgotbagzso i wonder what well be able to pull from the new g1 update
01:03.32pzztgotbagzto help us with building for touch pro
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03:31.12ttolsIm searching for zImage. ipaq 600/610/612/614
03:48.10tmztwhy?
03:52.35ttolsmore similar with rw6100 than magician.
03:54.03tmztok, then you need the source for those
03:54.38ttolswhat source?
03:55.16tmztkernel source
03:56.00tmztthe reason I said magician is its a basic pxa27x device in mainstream linux
03:56.40tmztyou should be able to get the video working and maybe keyboard
03:57.26ttolsIm searching... where is it? :)
03:58.02ttolsanyone did?
03:59.58AstainHasPS3hiya
04:02.46pzztgotbagzsup astain how ya doing
04:03.35AstainHasPS3doing ok been cleaning house today
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04:15.55tmztAstainHasPS3: does android work for you?
04:22.05AstainHasPS3tmzt haven't tried in a bit will give it a shot tomorrow while at office
04:26.06tmztok, I think it might be the DIAG thing but I'm not sure
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06:31.56Untouchab1eGood morning all :D
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08:52.06Marajinhah
08:52.10Marajinmorning people
08:52.49Marajinhey AstainHasPS3, So I spoke to the people at o2, they can't give me the handset free but they've taken 15/month off my tariff for the full length of the contract, which is ironically about 6 times more than just giving me the free handset
08:53.49Marajin(in dollars, they've taken a 66 dollar/month tariff and given it me for 45 dollar/month )
08:55.49Marajinso I get it on a 1200 minutes/1000 sms/unlimited data for 45 dollars/month, whee
08:56.42MarajinI did get the X1 though, however in the face of a 270 pounds saving and they promised to replace it if the case cracks....
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10:08.28rakeemAnyone care to brief me on anything Uni related developments in the last 6 months or so since I was around?  Also, what's the preferred device these days?  Kaiser?  Long time respect: Kevin2 kiozen BabelO cr2 goxboxlive paulproteus etc.  I've missed you.  What should I be playing with?
10:18.21Abracadabragood morning
10:18.24goxboxliverakeem: It seems like the htcuniversal project is stalled. And what device to run now i have no idea.
10:18.34goxboxlivei' not that active anymore.
10:18.54rakeemHey man.  You hung up your card-reader for a while huh?
10:18.59rakeemcr2 still around?
10:23.42rakeemAbracadabra:  What device d'you have?
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10:26.04Abracadabrarakeem: HTC Kaiser
10:31.07rakeemWhat's the support like these days?  Got a Wiki / Main site URL?
10:34.55AbracadabraI am new to all this
10:34.56Abracadabrahttp://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
10:35.11Abracadabrathis is WM though, not Linux
10:38.31DJWillisrakeem: there are a few wiki's/sites etc. on the kernel work, there is also XDA devs and the androidonhtc wiki.
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13:01.55rakeemAbro:  I see you're also kickin' it over on the aircrack channel....   Sounds like we have similar tastes...   What's the best monitor mode device you know of?  Any support injection?  I've had quite a bit of success wifi hacking with ACX100 on the Uni.   Even had AP working (stable @ 1M)...
13:04.35Marajinallo allo
13:14.54rakeemallo allo
13:16.03captnoordallo allo
13:16.35rakeemWhat toy(s) you into at the moment?
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13:16.52captnoordme
13:16.59captnoordatm marconi antena's
13:17.17rakeemYou'll go blind.....  ;-)
13:17.17captnoordsome stuff how to calculate the gain and stuff
13:17.50captnoordnope
13:18.04captnoordand i'm trying to cross check the smd offsets
13:18.08captnoordbut fail for the moment
13:18.45rakeemI'm starting an industrial project soon where I'll get my hands on a US$20k spectrum analyser.  I'll be able to really see what's going on.....
13:19.03captnoordand disasmbled the software of a pmm 7000 spectrum analyser
13:19.09captnoordvisual basic 3
13:19.12captnoordyou have to be kidding me
13:19.35rakeemIs Marconi a type (as in form) of antenna?
13:19.47captnoordthe most simple form of a antena
13:20.10captnoordhttp://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/school/marcony%20antena%20-%20part%201%20-%20435%20MHz.jpg
13:20.14captnoordthe right one is mine
13:21.10captnoordeven as its wrong
13:21.19captnoordbecause the base plate needs to be 4x bigger
13:22.38captnoordif we say that the right one has a gain of 0 db referenced as a zero point
13:22.51captnoordit has it kinda all around
13:22.53captnoordthe right one
13:22.58captnoordbecause its smaller
13:23.12captnoordand I mean the left one
13:23.14captnoordbecause its smaller
13:23.21rakeem'the most simple form of a antena' after a straight, measured length omni-pole you mean?  I presume the plate is to screw with the polar pattern yeah?
13:23.22captnoordthe antena itself isn't straight
13:23.33captnoordnah
13:23.39captnoordits the mirror effect
13:23.52captnoordthe theoretic working is close to a di pole
13:24.05captnoordthe plate mirrors the effect
13:24.07captnoordso
13:24.09rakeemOK.....  Like a hook antenna?
13:24.22captnoordkinda
13:24.24captnoordnah
13:24.33captnoordI still have to create lets say 4 diff one's
13:24.38captnoordand work out the theory and stuff
13:24.50captnoordand while i'm doing that
13:25.00captnoordI also have a big test next weak about chip design
13:25.29captnoordwhich sucks
13:25.55rakeemUrgh.  IC design?  You kids do that?  Jesus.  Respect man.  I got kicked outta school at 16...
13:26.24captnoordi'm no kid dude
13:26.24captnoord:P
13:26.38captnoordi'm a guy who has had some study delays
13:26.41rakeemI wouldn't wanna be force-fed loads of antenna theory either....  What's your course?
13:26.44captnoordand try's to catch up
13:26.44captnoord:P
13:27.05captnoordatm i'm teaching basic C
13:27.08rakeemI have no idea what you mean...
13:27.09captnoordand C++
13:27.14rakeem\-{
13:27.16captnoordand learning electronics
13:27.43captnoordthank god I don't have to test these guys
13:27.52captnoordin about 6 weeks I will
13:27.54captnoord:(
13:27.58rakeemNice.  Hanging out on the correct level for a thinking man...   Somewhere between keyboard and solder....
13:28.07captnoord50% of the people could learn to code
13:28.08captnoordthe rest
13:28.11captnoordhmmmmm
13:28.17captnoordjust need to force the shit into there head
13:29.05rakeemI can dig that though man...  I'm kinda the same when talking to my accountant...  He's given up explaining.
13:29.30rakeemDoes cr2 still hang out here?
13:29.30captnoordand while i'm trying to make sure my girl still likes me
13:29.36captnoordI battle my adhd
13:29.39captnoordyup
13:29.45captnoordand writing some software
13:29.47captnoorddamn
13:29.49captnoordi'm bussy
13:30.49captnoordbut something happend
13:30.53captnoordwith cr2
13:30.57captnoordI dono the exact facts
13:31.00rakeemMine's watching TV beside me... Sounds like you're already a qualified nerd, good luck with getting the bit of paper though... ;-)  Yeah, have you seen cr2 around?'
13:31.04rakeem...................?
13:31.13captnoordyup
13:31.15captnoordI have
13:31.17captnoordnot today
13:31.18rakeemNot Black fucking Helicopters?
13:31.58captnoordO btw does your girl sometimes rip the laptop out of your hand and goes writing strange stuff on the irc?
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13:32.26rakeemThat guy is the top computer nerd I've met (IRC).  My mate John is possibly among the world's best electronics dudes though...  Serious.
13:32.40rakeemWhaddaya mean 'something happened" with cr2?
13:33.08captnoordI dono
13:33.10captnoordI can't tell
13:33.17captnoordbecause I don't know the facts
13:33.23captnoordyou should read back the irc logs
13:33.26captnoordnot
13:33.30captnoord"something"
13:33.32rakeemBallpark!  Explosion, Award, Religion?
13:33.37captnoordnope
13:33.37captnoordnope
13:33.40captnoordnot that stuff
13:33.42rakeemI will.  Does he need help?
13:33.46captnoorddrame stuff
13:33.49captnoordI think
13:33.55captnoordbut don't kill me.....
13:33.57captnoordas I don't know
13:33.57rakeemdrame?
13:34.06captnoorddrama
13:35.05rakeemArguments? Geeky bitch-fighting-style?  No Federal Authorities or stuff like that?
13:35.23captnoordI think arguments
13:35.27captnoordbut I just don't know
13:35.33captnoordyou really should read back the logs
13:35.34captnoord:P
13:36.00captnoordread the stuff yourself
13:36.04captnoordI just don't know
13:36.55rakeemWow.  I always found him to be really cool, with *everyone*.  I'll read the logs.  All here owe that guy a pint or two minimum.
13:37.11rakeemSorry for interrogating you like that...
13:37.16captnoordnah
13:37.19captnoordits ok
13:37.24captnoordi'm used to much more
13:37.25rakeemI've just bin absent for ~6mths....
13:37.27captnoordyour just interested
13:37.31rakeemHehe...
13:38.17rakeemI've recently discovered the Worms Armageddon online game rooms to be the rudest place I've ever encountered on the net....
13:38.31rakeemWhat handheld do you have?
13:38.41captnoorda htc raphael
13:39.00rakeemDon't know that one....  What's the linux support like?
13:39.36captnoordbasic
13:39.41captnoordnot like the voque
13:39.52captnoordbut I lack the time to actualy do something about it myself
13:39.52captnoord:(
13:39.57captnoordI have some hours
13:40.09captnoordand then I try to hunt some info
13:40.13captnoordby running IDA
13:40.14tmztthe GPL stuff?
13:42.15rakeemJesus, I lack the skills to do anything about it myself...  I can't seem to make the leap down to driver code...  That's the thing with self-taught, you're not always aware of where the gaps are...
13:42.44rakeemGonna check the Vogue...  BRB.
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15:25.54rakeemHey marex...   How's the pocketBSD port going?
15:26.26marexwhat pocketbsd ?
15:29.05rakeemI got the impression you'd got a BSD kernel running on a PXA...  My German mate would be very impressed.
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15:30.57marexrakeem, I can boot OpenBSD on my Palm PDA
15:35.32rakeemTo answer your previous question: *THAT* PocketBSD.  Unless you have more than one...  Plan 9 on a Kindle perhaps? ;-)
15:36.17rakeemThat's a hardcore endeavour for one man yeah?   Porting a kernel to a partially documented h/w platform?
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15:46.20tmztAstainHasPS3: what's a good img for raph500? I'm trying to find them but I can only find nue
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15:54.35AstainHasPS3I've heard that this image is a good one for the 800:  http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=view.download&cid=19
15:55.43tmztok, I'm trying ssk now I really don't know what to expect
15:55.48tmztand I meant ce rom, sorry
15:56.51AstainHasPS3ohh ce rom
15:56.57AstainHasPS3you have vzw as carrier right?
15:57.23tmztyeah
15:57.30tmztssk vzw version
15:58.40tmztI tried android with a clean pull yesterday which worked, but only with smd_7500 disabled
15:59.30tmztI don't know why that is but I think it's related to the smd1 being ppp instead of diag and android trying qualcomm dm over that port
15:59.47tmztI haven't looked at the ril source though
15:59.49AstainHasPS3hmm
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16:48.35paulproteusrakeem_, Hey, I haven't been involved either. )-:
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17:18.35rakeem_paulproteus!  My fellow BA user for a while, if I recall...  Happy New Year dude....!
17:18.47paulproteusNot BA, just Uni. (-:
17:18.51paulproteusbut happy new hew to you too!
17:18.53paulproteus(also Magician)
17:18.55rakeem_Hehe...
17:20.07rakeem_Installing Titchy on my Uni right now...  If I wanna continue living the dream should I be on the Kaiser?  I saw one for HK$1800 (US$=HK$/7.78)...
17:20.43rakeem_US$230
17:21.00rakeem_What device have you got & how is it?
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17:57.42DunedanI've a problem with a self compiled kernel for Blackstone. It'll hang at boot with the following message: "pc_clk_enable: enabling a clock that doesn't have an ena bit or ns-only offset: 20"
17:57.50DunedanAny suggestions?
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18:25.05Marajinyo
18:25.08Marajinhey people
18:25.31rakeem_Alright dude....
18:25.42Marajinhurray for new phone tomorrow
18:25.55rakeem_What's the device to be playing with then?  What you getting?
18:26.00Marajinthe X1
18:26.08Marajinthey gave me 270 GBP back on the deal
18:26.27rakeem_I had a quick play with one of them.  Quite nice...
18:26.50Marajinmate for 270 pounds back on the deal they're excellent regardless ;)
18:27.35rakeem_Hmmm...  'Please have this cash in exchange for taking a phone...'?
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19:35.14Marajinrakeem_: haha, well I asked for the handset free but they gave me more than I'd asked
19:35.27Marajinthey discounted my bill for the entire contract length
19:35.44theCrocI like when they do stuff like that
19:36.02Marajinyeah I was pretty glad
19:36.04theCrocI got mobile 3g broadband free for six months and no startup fee
19:36.28theCrocI went in ready to pay the full price as well
19:36.39Marajinthey gave me 3 months free broadband this year and didn't even tell me
19:36.43Marajinthey just did it randomly
19:36.52theCrocyeah
19:37.12theCrocmy provider dropped the monthly payment for my TouchDiamond :)
19:37.24theCroca portion of the bill was always for the phone
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19:37.26Marajinyeah I didn't want a diamond though
19:37.29theCrocbut suddenly they dropped it
19:37.52theCrocI don't know
19:37.56theCrocI really like the diamond
19:38.06Marajinyeah but no SDHC and no keyboard is a killer for me
19:38.08theCrocbut I do wish they had shipped it with android instead
19:38.22theCrocthe SDHC thing does suck
19:38.28theCrocthe keaboard I'm ok with
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19:38.33theCrocit makes the phone slimmer
19:39.29MarajinI care not, I am big I do not get concerned about phone size and weight
19:40.06theCrocI just like being able to have it in my fron pocket without feeling it there
19:40.15theCrocprevious phones were always so bulky
19:41.06Marajinmy pockets tend to be large enough :P
19:42.06theCrocyeah
19:42.15theCrocI could see myself with a touchpro though
19:42.25theCrocthey arent that much thicker compared to some
19:42.38MarajinI would have got the touch pro but I couldn't get the same ludicrous deal on it
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20:13.45rakeem_cr2!
20:13.50rakeem_Long time no see....
20:14.51rakeem_What should I be replacing my ancient Uni with?  I was thinking of the Kaiser.  I can get them cheap second hand.  Is the build as compatible, worse or better than the Uni?
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20:20.27cr2hi rakeem_
20:20.46cr2rakeem_: ask dcordes about the kaiser, i don't know the current status
20:30.19sroeckerkaiser is missing wifi and bluetooth
20:30.32sroeckergprs etc should work
20:30.53AstainHasPS3tmzt you still looking for a rom:  http://nex.ppckitchen.org/ROM/Touch_PRO-Herman/VzW/
20:31.46rakeem_sroecker: Urgh.  That's kind of primative.  What's got the best support of everything?
20:32.42AstainHasPS3tuser231
20:33.24sroeckerrakeem_: dunno, kaiser/polaris/vogue seem to be pretty close
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20:50.48cr2sroecker: all msm phones miss wifi and bt
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20:51.00cr2AstainHasPS3: have you tried umts ?
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20:54.30rakeem_sroecker: So the google phone hasn't bequeathed us a total playground platform either?  No perfect, showcase open-source handset at all?  How's the Neo getting on these days?  If you had one chance to sell it, what's the most functional, completely open, linux phone (even non-htc)?
20:54.39AstainHasPS3cr2 huh?
20:57.02sroeckerrakeem_: it does not exist yet :/
20:57.25cr2AstainHasPS3: maejrep added the smd7 chaneel
20:58.08sroeckerbut i think dcordes and the other guys will fix wifi and bt in a few weeks, so i would stick with a htc msm
20:58.20AstainHasPS3ahh yes that cr2 no I not tried it yet
20:59.24rakeem_I kind of had that feeling.   I've been outta things for a 6 months.  Quick Googling shows X booting on all kinds of new things like the Diamond and X1, but it seems you're telling me there's the perpetual fucking secrecy issue plaguing each one in some way?
21:02.08rakeem_sroecker:  I am awed by the skills displayed by the community over the years.  D'yreckon we're any closer to some kind of breakthrough in the attitudes of manufacturers with Google pushing a platform rather than a device?
21:04.06rakeem_I suppose the recent handset cartel's agreement to use standard USB connectors is a tectonic step forward....
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21:11.09cr2rakeem_: hehe. htc already extended usb to "extusb"
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21:11.26sroeckerit's so much easer now for the manufacturers. with android they just have to care about hardware and drivers and i hope that we can benefit from this
21:11.32cr2which supports audio out, tv out and serial console ;)
21:12.32BabelOcr2: hi :)
21:12.43BabelOi ve a preversion of M for you
21:13.00cr2BabelO: qtext ?
21:14.04BabelOcr2: what is comport on athena and raphael ?
21:14.10BabelOto see if my code works
21:16.20cr2BabelO: it's virtual, you can assign it.
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21:17.14cr2BabelO: that's why i think that scanning through the registry is a good thing
21:17.20BabelOso com4 is ok for you ? i send you .exe with dll in few minutes for big screen
21:17.44Marajinhmm, I wonder if my kaiser battery'll last till I get my new phone tomorrow.. 39%
21:17.49Marajinbets anyone? :p
21:18.31cr2BabelO: ok
21:18.48cr2Marajin: a raph ?
21:20.57AstainHasPS3Marajin theres a chance in hell
21:21.05AstainHasPS3bigger chance if you leave it in flight mode
21:21.49rakeem_Marajin:  Pop the battery out and keep it in the freezer.  It may make it.  8=}
21:22.09rakeem_Nighty, night all.  Love and hugs...
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21:34.05MarajinAstainHasPS3: don't forget my kaiser has been around a while
21:34.19MarajinAstainHasPS3: ya see what I said about the deal o2 gave me this morning?
21:34.36AstainHasPS3no I didnt see what is it?
21:35.04MarajinOk so on the X1 they said I'd have to pay 50 quid for the handset but they'd reduce my montly bill by 15 pounds for the full 18 months (that's 270 pounds total)
21:35.14AstainHasPS3wow
21:35.16Marajinand promised a replacement if the case cracks
21:35.20AstainHasPS3damn
21:35.41Marajinbut because of something they're going to credit me retrospectively for this month anyway so it's actually 35 for the handset too
21:35.44Marajinheh
21:35.53AstainHasPS3lucky bastard
21:36.24MarajinI said to the guy '... you realise I only asked for 50 quid to be waived and you've offering me 270 pounds total'
21:36.48Marajinand he was like 'sure but the system won't let us discount handsets so I figure why not just give you the best it will give on the tariff, you're owed some loyalty bonus anyway'
21:37.08AstainHasPS3thats freaking awesome
21:37.09MarajinI don't even have to pay upfront for the handset I get a month before they charge for it
21:38.55Marajinso yeah to put it into dollars, 50ish for the handset then 1200 minutes/1000 SMS/unlimited data for 45 dollars a month
21:39.01MarajinI was pretty impressed
21:39.06AstainHasPS3damn very nice
21:41.08AstainHasPS3anyone here willing to build me a zImage based off the latest raph git with the smd_7500 stuff all turned on but the smd_diag off?
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21:49.31BabelOcr2, still around, do you still have previous dll"s
21:54.08cr2BabelO: was it a .cab ?
21:54.57BabelOcr2,nooo lol, not already, just try to click on menu on start and you will see gps fix
21:59.29sroeckeri am trying to build an angstrom initramfs for kaiser, has anyone experience in that?
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22:21.27Untouchab1eGood evening!
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22:36.49Untouchab1eHow is everyone?
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22:46.12MarajinAstainEEE: heh, tagging EEE on the end makes me think you're going 'eeeek!' first rather than using an asus eee
22:47.03AstainEEElol
22:47.12Untouchab1elol
22:47.43AstainEEEhey Untouchab1e how goes it?
22:49.55BabelO_still here
22:50.30cr2BabelO_: BlSOD
22:50.56BabelO_what s that ?
22:53.19AstainEEEtmzt, you around?
23:04.12excoBlueInternetScreenOfDeath :-P
23:07.04Untouchab1ehi cr2
23:29.17AstainEEEmaejrep[w], hows it going?

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