| 00:00.27 | BabelO | hope it works for your athena this time |
| 00:02.46 | mordy | hey, i'm thinking of getting an HTC universal... wanted to know exactly a bit abouut the USB -- would i be able to connect with it to a serial console via na adapter, or not possible? |
| 00:02.55 | mordy | don't know if this is the right place to ask thoug |
| 00:03.36 | cr2_ | mordy: universal does not support usb host |
| 00:03.50 | mordy | hmm :/ |
| 00:04.25 | mordy | any similarly priced linux device in that form factor that does? |
| 00:07.01 | exco | mordy: afaik there's no htc mobile phone around with usb host |
| 00:07.21 | exco | to be honest the first one I noticed with usb host is this one http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1509 |
| 00:07.34 | cr2_ | exco: athena, and n560 to name some |
| 00:07.44 | exco | didn't know that |
| 00:08.02 | cr2_ | exco: and raph, but there is no driver so far. |
| 00:08.33 | mordy | yeah... i initially wanted just to get a portable serial console.. and then i decided, "hey, it should run linux already" aqnd then said "hey, if i'm paying a nice amount of money for a linux PDA, it should at least have a phone with it" |
| 00:08.38 | mordy | and here i am |
| 00:08.38 | mordy | lol |
| 00:10.07 | cr2_ | mordy: for serial you should get blueangel. but it has a weird connector, so it's still pita |
| 00:10.23 | mordy | yeah.. but i like having a large keyboard |
| 00:10.27 | mordy | or relatively large |
| 00:11.01 | exco | raphael and wait for better linux support ;-) |
| 00:11.17 | cr2_ | athena may be too large. |
| 00:11.47 | cr2_ | and without sd and microdrive support it's not very useful as a portable device anyway |
| 00:12.41 | mordy | the athena doesn't have that? |
| 00:13.32 | cr2_ | there is no linux support so far |
| 00:14.47 | cr2_ | omg, 53MB qt4-doc |
| 00:15.13 | mordy | lol |
| 00:15.14 | cr2_ | it's good that i have a flatrate :) |
| 00:17.22 | mordy | n560... what's that? |
| 00:19.01 | cr2_ | a pda with gps. nt a phone |
| 00:19.13 | mordy | meh |
| 00:19.55 | mordy | don't use the phone very often, but if i get a portable device, it may as well hae thhat too |
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| 00:22.16 | cr2_ | tsdogs: debian qt4 paths are strange |
| 00:22.26 | BabelO | cr2_: time to try :) |
| 00:23.44 | cr2_ | BabelO: raph100 and athena :) |
| 00:23.55 | BabelO | wait artemis before :) |
| 00:23.57 | cr2_ | BabelO: .cab ? with maps ? |
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| 00:23.59 | cr2_ | ok |
| 00:24.22 | BabelO | cr2_: nothing, just dll + exe |
| 00:24.25 | BabelO | and without gps |
| 00:24.34 | BabelO | i need to play with roadmap code before |
| 00:24.39 | cr2_ | BabelO: hmm. sable, hermes and universal |
| 00:24.48 | cr2_ | ok |
| 00:24.53 | BabelO | cr2_: it is to see if it work on other windows, mine is mobile 6 |
| 00:25.00 | cr2_ | current roadmap code ? or the older one |
| 00:25.09 | cr2_ | raph is 6.1 |
| 00:25.19 | BabelO | cr2_: mine too 6.1 |
| 00:25.25 | BabelO | cr2_: display resolution ? |
| 00:25.30 | cr2_ | vga |
| 00:25.38 | BabelO | cr2_: don't know, i think older code |
| 00:25.41 | cr2_ | but 2.8" |
| 00:25.53 | cr2_ | athena is 5" afair |
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| 00:30.13 | mordy | hmm... there's no way to use it as a terminal with usb client mode? even if the host spawns a terminal at ttyS0? |
| 00:32.11 | cr2_ | the host should be an usb host, that supports serial over usb |
| 00:32.28 | cr2_ | you can use infrared, though. |
| 00:32.40 | mordy | the 'host' here is an ebox. no infrared |
| 00:33.03 | cr2_ | with an ir dongle |
| 00:33.25 | cr2_ | but then you may use bt ;) |
| 00:33.37 | mordy | serial -> bluetooth adapters are like $60 |
| 00:33.40 | cr2_ | BabelO: charging athena |
| 00:34.01 | BabelO | cr2_: started well on artemis with few dll :) |
| 00:34.44 | cr2_ | BabelO: passed the red zone already |
| 00:36.20 | mordy | and irda would be seen as a serial port for all purposes? |
| 00:39.11 | cr2_ | yes, you can use it in a raw serial mode |
| 00:40.10 | mordy | hmm... a bit hesitant about all this |
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| 03:42.25 | doodles_ | You are all doing great work! |
| 03:42.57 | mordy | not me -- i'm just lurking |
| 03:42.58 | mordy | lol |
| 03:43.54 | mordy | doodles_: which phone are you using though? |
| 03:44.03 | doodles_ | Touch Pro RAPH800 |
| 03:44.09 | doodles_ | it is still a very work in progress |
| 03:44.15 | doodles_ | but still it is really cool to see progress |
| 03:44.22 | mordy | doodles_: oh, i'm planning on getting the universal off ebay |
| 03:44.30 | doodles_ | universal? |
| 03:44.40 | mordy | HTC universal |
| 03:45.02 | mordy | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus |
| 03:45.08 | doodles_ | wow |
| 03:45.10 | doodles_ | fancy looking phone |
| 03:45.14 | mordy | doodles_: it's old |
| 03:45.28 | doodles_ | why get it then? |
| 03:45.43 | doodles_ | good for hacking? |
| 03:45.45 | mordy | doodles_: it's cheap and has what i want in the form factor i want |
| 03:46.02 | mordy | the only problem is that it's missing usb host support |
| 03:46.17 | mordy | and i need it to interface as a serial terminal |
| 03:46.22 | doodles_ | oic |
| 03:46.36 | mordy | doodles_: it's got a decent keyboard |
| 03:46.43 | mordy | IMO a phone is useless if you can't type on it |
| 03:46.48 | mordy | i learned that the hard way |
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| 03:47.20 | doodles_ | Are there any devs for the RAPH or Vogue here? |
| 03:47.50 | dcordes | mordy: true. since I have the kaiser I don't want a phone w/o keyboard |
| 03:47.58 | dcordes | doodles_: what do you need help with? |
| 03:48.25 | doodles_ | just a bit interested on plans for EVDO for RAPH. It looks like Qualcomm chipset is similar # between Vogue and RAPH |
| 03:48.29 | TimRiker | what happened to utstar.com ? everything I try there is gone, forwards to pcdphones.com |
| 03:48.32 | dcordes | what is evdo? |
| 03:48.43 | doodles_ | CDMA |
| 03:48.45 | maejrep | dcordes: sprint 3g |
| 03:48.45 | TimRiker | dcordes: read wikipedia |
| 03:49.00 | doodles_ | But the Android RAPH wiki talks only about GSM |
| 03:49.05 | maejrep | *cdma 3g ;p |
| 03:49.16 | dcordes | doodles_: as in planes to make it work in linux? |
| 03:49.23 | doodles_ | I guess so |
| 03:49.23 | dcordes | plans |
| 03:49.35 | maejrep | doodles_: we're getting there |
| 03:49.36 | dcordes | maejrep: data channel works for you? |
| 03:49.39 | doodles_ | Is it a simple port to go from MSM7500 to MSM7501? |
| 03:49.42 | maejrep | I just committed the AT channel last night |
| 03:49.49 | swc|666 | <dcordes> mordy: true. since I have the kaiser I don't want a phone w/o keyboard... amen! touchscreen's suck |
| 03:49.51 | maejrep | dcordes: just AT channel so far, haven't tried data |
| 03:50.21 | maejrep | doodles_: not really. 7500 vs 7501a is a big difference |
| 03:50.35 | maejrep | there are some things that are the same, but not everything |
| 03:50.47 | mordy | doodles_: is it easy to do console stuff on the kaiser? |
| 03:50.58 | dcordes | yes |
| 03:51.00 | doodles_ | oic. So getting data/voice on RAPH800 won't come all that fast. Do txt messages work on RAPH800 (cdma)? |
| 03:51.02 | doodles_ | I don't have a Kaiser |
| 03:51.28 | mordy | i mean dcordes , sorry |
| 03:51.54 | mordy | hehe, someone told me i should just use the nokia communicator and use a python console as a replacement for bash :-@ |
| 03:51.55 | dcordes | mordy: depends on what you want to do |
| 03:52.26 | mordy | dcordes: well, understandably it won't be the same as a 'real' keyboard |
| 03:52.51 | tmzt | doodles_: you,re looking for maejrep Netripper j0b0 |
| 03:53.07 | doodles_ | OK thx tmzt |
| 03:53.12 | dcordes | mordy: so you're just wondering about the keyboard layout.. once you get used to it you can type hyper fast (for a phone) |
| 03:53.28 | mordy | dcordes: i get 20 wpm on my sony p1i |
| 03:53.39 | maejrep | doodles_: I've heard sms works on raph100, so theoretically, with the commit last night it might work on raph800 |
| 03:53.39 | dcordes | tmzt: congrats. you like your new phone? |
| 03:53.47 | tmzt | yeah |
| 03:53.58 | mordy | whose keyboard is 50mm wide |
| 03:54.05 | tmzt | not ppc much but getting used to it |
| 03:54.16 | doodles_ | And thx maejrep. |
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| 03:54.39 | tmzt | the phone part makes no sense |
| 03:54.44 | doodles_ | OK, so SMS works on RAPH800 even though RAPH100 is GSM vs. CDMA of RAPH800? |
| 03:54.51 | tmzt | compared to smartphone |
| 03:55.00 | doodles_ | Or is RAPH100 CDMA? |
| 03:55.06 | tmzt | no |
| 03:55.15 | tmzt | raph100 is gsm |
| 03:55.19 | doodles_ | oic |
| 03:55.35 | maejrep | doodles_: sms goes over AT, which is what I committed last night |
| 03:55.44 | tmzt | the AT commands are similar |
| 03:55.57 | doodles_ | Oh OK. Thanks |
| 03:56.11 | tmzt | maejrep: do you have a zImage? |
| 03:56.21 | maejrep | of? |
| 03:56.24 | doodles_ | I find all this fascination cause I design RF circuits |
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| 03:56.36 | tmzt | raph |
| 03:56.47 | tmzt | doodles_: cool |
| 03:57.03 | tmzt | how are you with dsp stuff? |
| 03:57.24 | doodles_ | Not really good. I do Verilog coding and some friends do work on MSP430 stuff |
| 03:57.33 | doodles_ | But I mostly do RF/analog design |
| 03:57.44 | tmzt | ok |
| 03:57.50 | doodles_ | I've written code for MSP430s too, but that's just C code, nothing special |
| 03:58.19 | tmzt | how many bands do you think a handset could support? |
| 03:58.31 | doodles_ | Hmm? You mean EVDO and GSM and etc |
| 03:58.35 | jenkem_pusher | hi, which cross compiling tools should I use to build a kernel for the raph100? 2008q1, 2008q3? |
| 03:58.44 | tmzt | like 1900 1800 2100 whatever |
| 03:59.03 | doodles_ | I think they can hit all those bands |
| 03:59.08 | doodles_ | So long as the frequencies aren't too far apart |
| 03:59.15 | tmzt | the new blackberry storm has cdma and gsm in a msm chip |
| 03:59.16 | doodles_ | But the issues now are really all these filter |
| 03:59.25 | doodles_ | filters they need offchip, from SKyworks etc |
| 04:00.00 | doodles_ | All of these cellular standards have really stringent interferer and out-of-band emission specs, which make it hard for them all to integrated on a single chip |
| 04:00.12 | doodles_ | But they will be doing it, cause they have to |
| 04:01.02 | jenkem_pusher | i've heard the 2008q3 toolchain doesn't work correctly for building for the raph100. Is this correct? |
| 04:01.05 | doodles_ | Right now the trend is to have a low end chip with Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, everything else |
| 04:01.19 | doodles_ | and probably a high end phone that can do 2G, 3G, eventually WiMax, etc |
| 04:01.30 | doodles_ | a high end chip |
| 04:02.38 | mordy | hmm... price for this kaiser isn't bad either, considering ti has GPS -- is it linux supported? |
| 04:02.44 | mordy | whole time i was looking at the universal |
| 04:03.38 | swc|666 | the universal was a great *try* IMO... it lacks usb hostmode, a bigger resolution, 3g for the U.S. and a crappy wlan |
| 04:03.47 | swc|666 | but the rest of it = awesome |
| 04:03.52 | swc|666 | o and ram |
| 04:03.56 | mordy | swc|666: yeah, but nothing in its form factor has usb host either |
| 04:04.13 | doodles_ | Hey Maejrep, I know the RAPH800 screen color issue was fixed by you yesterday, but was the other issue with the recent build fixed, that made Android not boot? |
| 04:04.15 | swc|666 | the raphael does |
| 04:04.19 | mordy | which is weird, but from my searches that's what i've found |
| 04:04.20 | mordy | hmm... |
| 04:04.52 | swc|666 | i think the sony x1 does too |
| 04:04.53 | mordy | raphael doesn't have a tilting screen, does it? |
| 04:04.57 | swc|666 | no |
| 04:04.58 | doodles_ | nope |
| 04:05.14 | doodles_ | but the high res screen is amazing |
| 04:05.17 | mordy | not the same form factor then |
| 04:05.31 | maejrep | doodles_: this is the first i've heard of it not booting |
| 04:05.34 | mordy | my mother's got a mogul, it's ok to type on |
| 04:05.43 | mordy | but a screen tilt would be helpful |
| 04:05.51 | mordy | i'm guessing keyboard layout is similar |
| 04:05.59 | swc|666 | i need to get to kernel building too |
| 04:06.02 | doodles_ | Here is what Untoucab1e said: Many Raph800 users have reported that the 20090219 release doesnt boot. To solve this, use the 20090203 release instead. |
| 04:06.47 | doodles_ | So I'm wondering whether the not booting problem was solved. I guess so, if the screen coloring was fixed. But maybe this boot problem is only affecting a subset of users? |
| 04:07.09 | doodles_ | http://forum.xda-developers.com/printthread.php?t=402002&pp=50&page=51 |
| 04:07.35 | mordy | there's an auction for a kaiser ending in like 20 minutes and it's >$200 now, seems like a decent price |
| 04:07.51 | tmzt | raph800? |
| 04:07.56 | tmzt | doodles_: |
| 04:07.59 | doodles_ | yup |
| 04:08.07 | tmzt | color is fixed |
| 04:08.15 | maejrep | doodles_: I don't know anything about it :x |
| 04:08.40 | doodles_ | That's great about the color. thx. tmzt, my question was about the booting issues with 20090219 |
| 04:08.43 | tmzt | if maejrep has a zImage with AT and DS |
| 04:08.56 | doodles_ | that some RAPH800 users have been experiencing |
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| 04:09.31 | doodles_ | Here are the error messages from the forum: |
| 04:09.40 | tmzt | maejrep: know what it was, or by booting they meant into android and those are mmc issues |
| 04:09.47 | tmzt | ? |
| 04:10.03 | maejrep | could be .. dunno |
| 04:10.10 | maejrep | i've only tried android 0.8 |
| 04:10.11 | doodles_ | i had these problem |
| 04:10.18 | doodles_ | it wouldn't boot |
| 04:10.30 | doodles_ | it would just show those mmc errors |
| 04:10.36 | doodles_ | But maybe the new one wil lfix it |
| 04:10.48 | doodles_ | Probably best just to try out new one and see |
| 04:10.49 | maejrep | i'm not having any mmc problems |
| 04:11.38 | doodles_ | People over here also confirmed the issues with the 20090219 build on RAPH800: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=743931#post743931 |
| 04:13.05 | doodles_ | Anyways, don't want to keep you guys distracted, and I need to get going. I can't wait to try out the new RAPH800 build once its posted. Thanks everyone |
| 04:13.29 | maejrep | that's not enough info to go on ;/ |
| 04:13.35 | maejrep | would need to see a dmesg at least |
| 04:13.43 | doodles_ | What is dmesg? |
| 04:13.47 | doodles_ | I could try to generate it |
| 04:13.51 | mordy | hehe |
| 04:13.56 | maejrep | even then, the point of this project is to get linux on the phone. android must come second. |
| 04:14.04 | doodles_ | oic |
| 04:14.05 | maejrep | ssh or telnet to the phone, run dmesg |
| 04:14.22 | mordy | dmesg on a phone. that's cool |
| 04:14.32 | doodles_ | this is in Linux before booting Android? |
| 04:14.35 | maejrep | which is why i'd rather see people testing the linux kernel, not android |
| 04:14.50 | mordy | maejrep: dmesg? |
| 04:14.52 | maejrep | and why i've only booted android on my phone twice now (second time was last night) |
| 04:14.57 | maejrep | and still only 0.8 |
| 04:15.11 | mordy | don't really know what android is supposed to be either.. |
| 04:15.19 | maejrep | doodles_: I don't know if the android initrd has telnet or ssh |
| 04:15.35 | maejrep | like I said, I have not been testing android :) |
| 04:15.45 | doodles_ | ok |
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| 04:16.11 | mordy | maejrep: it doesn't sound very appealing to me either... |
| 04:16.22 | mordy | in terms of characters, what's the kaiser at? 40x10? |
| 04:16.49 | doodles_ | Good luck maejrep. Ciao |
| 04:16.53 | maejrep | mordy: i'm not saying I don't want android on my phone :) |
| 04:17.15 | mordy | maejrep: i'm just looking for a phone experience that's as close as possible to what id' get on any linux box |
| 04:17.35 | mordy | i generally don't like the idea of an 'embedded' (read limited) OS |
| 04:18.15 | maejrep | i use angstrom on my phone |
| 04:18.21 | mordy | what's that? |
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| 04:18.40 | mordy | another distro? i read about it in refernece to the zaurus, i tihnk |
| 04:18.44 | tmzt | mordy: I use debian, well I was I need to get a working freesmartphone.org stack for that set up |
| 04:19.08 | mordy | tmzt: on the phone? debian? which phone? |
| 04:19.10 | tmzt | angstrom is built on openembedded which is a general version of openzaurus |
| 04:19.12 | tmzt | yeah |
| 04:19.18 | tmzt | that was on moto q |
| 04:19.28 | mordy | wrong form factor for me |
| 04:19.30 | tmzt | debian armel |
| 04:19.37 | tmzt | well, it boots on the raph also |
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| 04:19.49 | tmzt | I just haven't been able to use the phone functions yet |
| 04:19.49 | mordy | raphael is too expensive for me |
| 04:19.59 | tmzt | what are you looking for/have? |
| 04:20.02 | mordy | but it does give you both GPS and a nice screen, and USB host capacity |
| 04:20.27 | tmzt | gps depends on radio, the one I have now doesn't work well for gps |
| 04:20.52 | mordy | tmzt: i have nothing, i'm looking for a wide keyboard, connectivity (usb host would be nice, but depends on the price), and a decent display of course |
| 04:21.16 | mordy | everything depends on the price it's available for |
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| 04:21.59 | mordy | so you say GPS isn't always that good? |
| 04:22.27 | tmzt | I mean on msm/raph specifically |
| 04:22.39 | mordy | ahh... i'm looking at the kaiser |
| 04:22.48 | tmzt | ok, dcordes was using the kaiser |
| 04:22.51 | mordy | (There's an ebay auction that ends in like 2 mins, decent price) |
| 04:22.57 | tmzt | with angstrom |
| 04:23.07 | mordy | can i run debian on the kaiser? |
| 04:23.12 | mordy | that would be cool |
| 04:23.12 | dcordes | kaiser support is quite good now |
| 04:23.18 | dcordes | of course you can |
| 04:23.22 | tmzt | never done it but there is no reason why not |
| 04:23.23 | mordy | but the screen is small |
| 04:23.29 | tmzt | qvga |
| 04:23.32 | dcordes | yea |
| 04:24.02 | mordy | but kaiser has no usb host... |
| 04:24.16 | tmzt | or client in linux version right now |
| 04:24.20 | mordy | eeek |
| 04:24.32 | mordy | i think i'll let the kaiser pass then |
| 04:24.45 | mordy | it's shot up to $220 anyway |
| 04:24.51 | dcordes | on the newer ones host mode doesn't work either yet |
| 04:26.00 | tmzt | bluetooth work on kaiser, dcordes ? |
| 04:26.06 | dcordes | no |
| 04:26.16 | mordy | hmm.. so no serial console with that |
| 04:26.25 | tmzt | so the only connectivity was reverse gprs |
| 04:26.38 | mordy | you mean dialing into it as a modem? |
| 04:26.54 | tmzt | no, connecting to the internet and setting up a forward with ssh |
| 04:26.59 | tmzt | then ssh to that forwarded port |
| 04:27.00 | mordy | oh |
| 04:27.39 | dcordes | ppp works well |
| 04:27.43 | tmzt | what was it before it went to 220? |
| 04:27.55 | mordy | tmzt: the price? it was $180 |
| 04:28.10 | tmzt | I don't follow ebay much |
| 04:28.23 | mordy | tmzt: i don't either, but every phone i've owned i've bought form ebay |
| 04:28.29 | mordy | since i don't buy them with a contract |
| 04:29.58 | mordy | but is linux on a phone just like linux on any other device? in theory it should be so, but i've never tried it |
| 04:30.32 | tmzt | yeah |
| 04:30.41 | tmzt | it's linux compiled for armel |
| 04:30.44 | tmzt | arm |
| 04:31.16 | mordy | i guess there's this big buzz going about 'embedded' devices which are geared towards the end user.. so i get the impression that it would be lacking a lot of the functionality that people like me would be looking for |
| 04:31.59 | mordy | what i'm really asking about is 'GNU' |
| 04:35.09 | tmzt | that's what I'm saying, if you're asking about debian, it's the same libraries, glibc, etc. |
| 04:35.20 | tmzt | the same packages/repos built for arm or armel |
| 04:35.27 | mordy | nice... |
| 04:35.36 | maejrep | seriously, who still calls it "GNU/Linux"? |
| 04:35.43 | mordy | debian does. |
| 04:35.44 | mib_bceo5z | what's the state of the camera(s) on the kaiser? Has any work been done on them |
| 04:36.02 | dcordes | mordy: not many people ask for GNU in that context. most come and whine because android doesn't work 100% |
| 04:36.20 | tmzt | things like angstrom, depending on what machine, target, config, but usually it's an embedded libc (ulibc) |
| 04:36.41 | mordy | dcordes: hehe, yeah, but i guess "GNU" makes it more clear that i'm referring to the actual coreutils etc. rather than just the kernel |
| 04:36.58 | mordy | dcordes: i do think rms is a retard, don't worry |
| 04:38.13 | dcordes | no problem there. you have the normal linux kernel so you can use normal linux userspace |
| 04:39.18 | mordy | sounds cool :) |
| 04:39.24 | swc|666 | <mordy> can i run debian on the kaiser? this is my plan for the raphael |
| 04:40.17 | mordy | btw i tihnk you guys are doing amazing work, unfortunately since i only know high level microsoft languages, not much i can do :P |
| 04:40.39 | swc|666 | c# ftl |
| 04:40.49 | mordy | swc|666: it looks nice. grant it that much |
| 04:41.05 | swc|666 | :p |
| 04:41.27 | mordy | i'm in the process of learning C... but i had the urge to get some more devices and use them as they were never intended to be used |
| 04:41.37 | mordy | i get that urge every now and then |
| 04:43.19 | mib_bceo5z | Does anyone know if someone has started work on drivers for the kaiser camera(s)? |
| 04:44.21 | dcordes | mib_bceo5z: I'm not sure. you could check the htc-vogue git history |
| 04:44.27 | maejrep | mordy: sounds kinky |
| 04:44.33 | dcordes | mib_bceo5z: kaiser and vogue cameras are almost the same though |
| 04:44.41 | swc|666 | lol |
| 04:45.21 | mib_bceo5z | dcordes: k, thx I'll look into it |
| 04:46.17 | mordy | maejrep: ROTFL |
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| 08:06.19 | lama_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ |
| 08:07.52 | swc|666 | piece of crap |
| 08:08.03 | swc|666 | good concept tho |
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| 11:49.13 | dgmdan | hey |
| 11:57.35 | captnoord | yo |
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| 12:56.54 | dgmdan | hey anybody alive? |
| 12:57.51 | captnoord | nope..... |
| 12:57.52 | captnoord | i |
| 12:57.57 | captnoord | i'm dead |
| 12:57.57 | captnoord | :P |
| 12:58.02 | dgmdan | haha what's up |
| 12:58.43 | captnoord | learning crap |
| 12:58.47 | captnoord | chip design stuff |
| 12:58.48 | captnoord | :( |
| 12:58.56 | dgmdan | same... im on the verge of compiling my first android kernel after an all-nighter |
| 12:59.13 | captnoord | hmmmm |
| 12:59.17 | captnoord | all nighters suck |
| 12:59.25 | dgmdan | meh they're not bad if you woke up at 4pm :) |
| 12:59.28 | captnoord | especialy when you come the conclution it wasn't worth it |
| 12:59.32 | captnoord | hehe |
| 13:00.46 | dgmdan | so how is this channel, pretty active? its my first time here |
| 13:00.49 | captnoord | channel is nice for dev's |
| 13:00.56 | captnoord | lots of people sharing knowlage |
| 13:01.08 | dgmdan | yeah cool |
| 13:01.45 | captnoord | but its hard for firsttimers, people who don't read wiki's or forums and its hard for leechers |
| 13:01.45 | dgmdan | yeah i've been hitting up the xda forums a lot, probably read about 60 pages of threads in the past few hours |
| 13:02.17 | captnoord | nah... I think your introduction cured it all |
| 13:02.31 | captnoord | dev's drop in like "yooo how's it here" |
| 13:02.37 | captnoord | and noobs |
| 13:02.43 | captnoord | do it in a slightly diff way |
| 13:02.43 | captnoord | :P |
| 13:03.02 | captnoord | hehe |
| 13:04.06 | dgmdan | lol yep... |
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| 13:06.06 | dgmdan | well im glad to see so many people here, even if they're all idle :) ill have to come back at a normal hour |
| 13:06.30 | captnoord | depends on what you think its normal |
| 13:06.32 | captnoord | when I goto sleep |
| 13:07.04 | captnoord | lets say 1:00 GMT+1 |
| 13:07.04 | captnoord | they all go talk |
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| 13:07.27 | dgmdan | gmt+1 is w europe right? |
| 13:08.40 | dgmdan | or...part of it, obviously |
| 13:14.24 | captnoord | holland |
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| 14:25.51 | Marajin | yo |
| 14:26.29 | AstainHasPS3 | yo |
| 14:31.34 | dgmdan | hey |
| 14:35.53 | AstainHasPS3 | hi |
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| 14:48.04 | dgmdan | hey hows it going? |
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| 14:53.00 | AstainHasPS3 | going well |
| 14:53.03 | AstainHasPS3 | morning zule |
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| 14:58.16 | Marajin | hey AstainHasPS3 |
| 14:58.21 | Marajin | 'lo dgmdan |
| 14:58.27 | AstainHasPS3 | hiya Marajin whats new? |
| 14:58.51 | Marajin | friend of mine has had his car written off by an idiot crashing into him and it's starting to look like the guy had no insurance |
| 15:00.39 | AstainHasPS3 | oh crap that sucks |
| 15:01.12 | Marajin | yeah |
| 15:01.37 | Marajin | also my friend's insurance company are trying to insist he doesn't have fully comp insurance which can't be right cause the car was on hp |
| 15:02.25 | AstainHasPS3 | damn |
| 15:03.27 | Marajin | yeah |
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| 16:03.48 | _Antoine_ | hello |
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| 16:05.14 | _Antoine_ | my HTC BlueAngel do not boot after i've tried to upgrade it to WM6, what can i do? |
| 16:06.26 | _Antoine_ | or there is another irc channel for that. |
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| 16:20.51 | AstainHasPS3 | _Antoine_ try to get it into bootloader |
| 16:22.16 | _Antoine_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.08 | _Antoine_ | AstainHasPS3, Power+record+reset don't do anything |
| 16:23.25 | _Antoine_ | power+record+camera+reset too |
| 16:24.43 | _Antoine_ | help :( |
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| 16:44.30 | ALoGeNo | lo |
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| 17:38.27 | Marajin | hi ALoGeNo |
| 17:39.05 | Marajin | hmm, what was the point in WM6.5 exactly? apart from some UI revision in the start menu/today screen it's a bit pointless.. |
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| 17:45.36 | AstainHasPS3 | Marajin the sys is fast |
| 17:51.18 | ALoGeNo | voi a poner la tarjeta ara engo.. |
| 17:53.44 | Marajin | AstainHasPS3: Hasn't really struck me as faster than 6.1 roms yet, guess we'll see when the cookers have at it huh? |
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| 19:14.31 | tsdogs | FYI: http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-extended |
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| 19:17.52 | tre9 | does anyone know if h5000 supports wifi and bluetooth ok? Do I need to use the 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:20.35 | tsdogs | tre9: from the wiki it seems so :/ http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH5000 |
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| 19:30.03 | kiozen | tsdogs: what did qt extended anyway? |
| 19:30.24 | tsdogs | kiozen: new name for qtopia :) |
| 19:30.47 | kiozen | yesssssssss! that is good news :) |
| 19:31.07 | kiozen | I hated qtopia at the and |
| 19:31.15 | tsdogs | lol |
| 19:31.26 | kiozen | currently I try my luck in qt-embedded and that is much more fun |
| 19:32.01 | tsdogs | ok, but on a phone / pxa there needs to be more than a single app :) |
| 19:32.35 | tsdogs | anyway it won't probably die, it will be forked imho |
| 19:33.21 | kiozen | but I doubt you can solve that problem by qtopia. It put too much contrains on what you have to do and what it did not want you to do |
| 19:34.11 | tsdogs | ok I agree with that. maybe the way openmoko took wan't that bad after all... |
| 19:34.13 | kiozen | and the good parts where not available for stand alone apps |
| 19:34.39 | tsdogs | s/wan't/wasn't/ |
| 19:34.51 | kiozen | I still miss a virtual keypad that simply works on a text input |
| 19:35.11 | tsdogs | lol, I always fought with that too |
| 19:35.12 | kiozen | without installing/using qtopia framework |
| 19:35.38 | kiozen | qtopia sucks, it did not solve the problem I had but added new ones |
| 19:35.53 | kiozen | thus a toast to absent friends |
| 19:36.04 | kiozen | long live qt-embedded |
| 19:36.06 | tsdogs | this is fun: http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Accessibility/QDasher |
| 19:37.06 | kiozen | you tried it? |
| 19:37.49 | tsdogs | not on qtopia |
| 19:38.07 | tsdogs | I think that a skilled user can input pretty fast with that. |
| 19:38.28 | kiozen | but it looks like you need quite a good dose of LSD first |
| 19:38.35 | tsdogs | lol |
| 19:39.05 | kiozen | as i am redoing QLandkarte M right now I need a good input widget |
| 19:39.55 | kiozen | it looks like space invaders with letters |
| 19:40.00 | tsdogs | actually have no idea. wanted a keybord so something else? |
| 19:40.32 | tsdogs | I suggest you to try it. not the qt version, but the original one. |
| 19:40.46 | kiozen | well I still think a keyboard is what 100% of all users can use |
| 19:41.37 | tsdogs | yep, then probably you'll need to implement your own (or take the qtopia one out, which I have no idea what that means) |
| 19:42.00 | tsdogs | kiozen: you need one on dialogs or on the main window? |
| 19:42.15 | kiozen | yep that might be an idea, I already ripped qserialport |
| 19:42.24 | kiozen | dialogs |
| 19:42.41 | kiozen | qlineedit and qtextedit |
| 19:43.04 | tsdogs | then the easyest imho is to create one in a dialog which then is used for all the dialogs |
| 19:43.29 | tsdogs | afair there is one in roadmap qt-3 version, let me check. |
| 19:43.30 | kiozen | yes, that is how I did it in qtopia branch of M |
| 19:44.34 | tsdogs | hmm, nope only on gtk port then |
| 19:45.06 | kiozen | I still have some time until it comes to text edit :) |
| 19:45.26 | kiozen | BabelO is doing the wince port for M |
| 19:46.02 | kiozen | a small teaser |
| 19:46.05 | kiozen | http://www.qlandkarte.org/shot10.png |
| 19:46.08 | kiozen | http://www.qlandkarte.org/shot11.png |
| 19:46.46 | tsdogs | tbh I have tryed GT but have no idea on how to create the .tdb from the .img downloaded from OSM |
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| 19:48.12 | tsdogs | kiozen: also maemo has an on-screen keyboard |
| 19:48.20 | kiozen | use gmt.exe from GMapTools |
| 19:48.22 | kiozen | http://www.anpo.republika.pl/download.html |
| 19:48.28 | kiozen | works well with wine |
| 19:48.47 | kiozen | that will split the gmapsupp into several tiles |
| 19:48.55 | kiozen | and produce a tdb |
| 19:49.16 | tsdogs | ok, thx |
| 19:49.47 | kiozen | with latest svn version and upcoming 0.11.0 release maps from osm tile server are built in |
| 19:50.12 | tsdogs | you support osm or osb ? |
| 19:50.46 | tsdogs | or download from wms? |
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| 19:51.41 | tsdogs | hmm, gg home. cya later |
| 19:59.36 | tre9 | this patch description sounds like h5000 has some bluetooth driver work yet to do |
| 19:59.38 | tre9 | http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/h5400-port/current/2272.html |
| 19:59.53 | tre9 | does that apply to hh.org CVS or mainline? |
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| 20:16.52 | kiozen | tsdogs: yes wms, too |
| 20:17.09 | tsdogs | kiozen: ok |
| 20:17.48 | kiozen | and osm from tile.openstreetmap.org |
| 20:18.24 | tsdogs | so I can download directly and then upload it to M ? |
| 20:18.53 | kiozen | no, for most wms server this would be illegal |
| 20:19.10 | kiozen | and osm does not want you to do bulk download |
| 20:19.31 | kiozen | thus M is still good old geotiff files |
| 20:19.40 | tsdogs | hmm ok |
| 20:20.23 | kiozen | blame it on the copyright and the bandwidth costs for osm |
| 20:20.44 | tsdogs | lol, what's the gmt command line for the tdb |
| 20:20.45 | tsdogs | ? |
| 20:21.22 | kiozen | gmt.exe -S -f 1331 gmapsupp.img |
| 20:21.37 | kiozen | the -f will give the map a mapid of 1331 |
| 20:21.51 | kiozen | this is only important if you use typ files |
| 20:21.58 | tsdogs | ok |
| 20:22.41 | kiozen | and you might need a basemap file that defines the tile borders |
| 20:22.51 | kiozen | don't know if gmt.exe can do for you |
| 20:23.01 | kiozen | gmt.exe --help works |
| 20:23.15 | tsdogs | yes |
| 20:23.30 | tsdogs | kiozen: I have a strange problem with the menu... |
| 20:23.33 | tsdogs | in GT |
| 20:23.46 | kiozen | yes ? |
| 20:23.55 | tsdogs | wait a sec |
| 20:25.16 | tsdogs | http://195.32.70.240/tsdogs/screenshots/qlandkartegt.png |
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| 20:25.40 | tsdogs | it seems that the footer is over the menu !? |
| 20:26.00 | tsdogs | could be a qt/kde 4 issue |
| 20:26.20 | kiozen | the file->config->help menu is really strange |
| 20:26.27 | kiozen | the big left hand menu |
| 20:26.34 | kiozen | is easy to fix |
| 20:26.49 | kiozen | just close the middle splitter with the summary |
| 20:27.15 | tsdogs | talking only about the top menu |
| 20:27.25 | tsdogs | the other is small 'cause of the small screen :) |
| 20:27.46 | tsdogs | shoud there be a window footer ? |
| 20:28.00 | kiozen | yes, there is a statusbar |
| 20:28.08 | kiozen | never have seen such a layout before |
| 20:28.24 | tsdogs | hmm, let me try |
| 20:29.24 | tsdogs | hmm, nope it's not a kde4 issue |
| 20:29.31 | kiozen | strange zoomfactor, too |
| 20:29.35 | tsdogs | have you tryed building with qt4.5? |
| 20:29.41 | kiozen | no |
| 20:29.59 | kiozen | still 4.4.3 |
| 20:30.11 | kiozen | I have my own bugs, don't need the ones from nokia |
| 20:30.24 | tsdogs | ok. I might try. |
| 20:30.42 | tsdogs | well it's faster, but probably more buggy :) as just released |
| 20:31.27 | tsdogs | ok, now I load the tdb and asks for the map |
| 20:31.40 | tsdogs | I selected the gmapsupp.img, is that correct? |
| 20:31.45 | kiozen | nbo |
| 20:31.47 | kiozen | no |
| 20:31.52 | kiozen | you need a basemap |
| 20:32.00 | kiozen | try one of the tiles for now |
| 20:32.29 | tsdogs | ok |
| 20:34.14 | tsdogs | kiozen: I found the bug about the statusbar, it was an old property file in configuration of QLandkarteGT |
| 20:34.28 | kiozen | creepy |
| 20:35.13 | tsdogs | kiozen: ok now I see the little part of the map. |
| 20:35.32 | kiozen | if you zoom in you should see all |
| 20:35.36 | kiozen | maybe |
| 20:35.38 | tsdogs | how do I load all the other img files? |
| 20:35.54 | kiozen | hm, ok you need a basemap somehow |
| 20:36.18 | tsdogs | ok, I'll try creating one later. gg eat dinner now :) |
| 20:37.27 | kiozen | bon app :) |
| 20:37.33 | tsdogs | kiozen: fyi http://pastebin.ca/1352178 |
| 20:37.36 | tsdogs | thx |
| 20:37.38 | tsdogs | bbl |
| 20:41.37 | kiozen | tsdogs|zzz: http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/main |
| 20:41.44 | kiozen | Create a .tdb and overview map from previously produced .img files. |
| 20:41.56 | kiozen | that sounds like what you want |
| 20:43.26 | BabelO | hi |
| 20:43.56 | BabelO | tsdogs|zzz: i try to build for my n800 too |
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| 20:48.19 | tsdogs | dinner not ready yet :) |
| 20:48.35 | tsdogs | kiozen it generated 3 files |
| 20:48.51 | tsdogs | mapset00.tdb, mapset00.mdx mapset00.mp |
| 20:49.34 | tsdogs | beside all the img files |
| 20:49.40 | tsdogs | BabelO: hi |
| 20:49.55 | BabelO | hi tsdogs |
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| 20:50.13 | tsdogs | BabelO: I'd need a favor... |
| 20:50.24 | BabelO | tsdogs: ? |
| 20:50.25 | tsdogs | could you translate some sentences to French ? |
| 20:50.49 | tsdogs | wait a sec |
| 20:50.55 | BabelO | tsdogs: ues i can, but don't blame me if i m wrong i dronk some ricard this evenong :) |
| 20:51.06 | kiozen | lol |
| 20:51.16 | tsdogs | lol |
| 20:51.33 | kiozen | let's open up another beer |
| 20:52.32 | tsdogs | BabelO: http://195.32.70.240/tsdogs/template.po |
| 20:52.41 | tsdogs | and http://195.32.70.240/tsdogs/openupload.po |
| 20:53.14 | tsdogs | not very urgent, but would be apreciated, the guy which translated it first time seems to have disappeared :( |
| 20:53.17 | BabelO | tsdogs: do i need to tell you wrong translation ? |
| 20:53.45 | tsdogs | if you find some yes, but there are some sentences which are not translated |
| 20:53.50 | BabelO | tsdogs: your translation are ready for quebec too |
| 20:54.02 | tsdogs | use poedit or similar and send me them back |
| 20:54.04 | tsdogs | lol |
| 20:54.24 | BabelO | poedit ? |
| 20:54.31 | BabelO | don't know, only linguist |
| 20:54.57 | tsdogs | ok |
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| 20:58.47 | BabelO | ola cr2 ;) |
| 20:58.58 | BabelO | evening pH5 |
| 20:59.45 | pH5 | hej BabelO, cr2 |
| 21:02.03 | cr2 | hi |
| 21:04.16 | cr2 | pH5: i will be trying to write a htc-egpio driver for athena soon |
| 21:04.35 | cr2 | pH5: what is the latest kernel version for magician ? |
| 21:04.39 | pH5 | cr2: bring it on |
| 21:04.49 | pH5 | today I figured out how to output stereo sound on magician |
| 21:05.01 | pH5 | after >2 years :) |
| 21:05.10 | cr2 | hehe :) |
| 21:05.31 | pH5 | I'm working against 2.6.29-rc6 mostly |
| 21:05.33 | cr2 | pH5: i will need the pxa serial too. the hh patches are not in the mainline ? |
| 21:05.44 | pH5 | no. |
| 21:05.53 | pH5 | right now I'm using rfkill to enable/disable the gsm modem |
| 21:06.01 | cr2 | does htc-egpio work ? googel have already written 2 more cpld drivers ;) |
| 21:06.33 | pH5 | well, it works for magician and hx4700. |
| 21:06.48 | cr2 | great. |
| 21:07.17 | Marajin | 'lo there |
| 21:08.16 | cr2 | pH5: asic3_mmc seems to be the biggest roadblock for htc-linux ;) |
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| 21:10.12 | pH5 | cr2: I know. I'm afraid to tackle it. |
| 21:10.26 | pH5 | hi Marajin |
| 21:10.59 | cr2 | pH5: we need to find somebody who can. but it seems an uneasy task |
| 21:11.09 | cr2 | mostly because of the sdio |
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| 21:14.53 | BabelO | pH5: think to ba for sound, should be the same :) |
| 21:18.27 | pH5 | BabelO: working on it already :) |
| 21:18.40 | BabelO | pH5: :) |
| 21:18.42 | pH5 | I'd really like asic3_mmc for that. |
| 21:19.48 | BabelO | pH5: it is ok with newer kernel now ? |
| 21:22.10 | pH5 | I'm missing tsc2200 / keyboard / mmc drivers in mainline... |
| 21:23.44 | BabelO | pH5: ok that's not the harder part |
| 21:23.50 | cr2 | pH5: spi keyboard ? |
| 21:24.21 | pH5 | spi keyboard should be easy. a real spi asic3 driver not so much. |
| 21:24.24 | cr2 | pH5: Kevin2 has written an spi driver for 2.6.25 and maejrep reused it for i2c keyboard |
| 21:24.59 | cr2 | pH5: i think that a full-blown spi driver for asic3 is an overkill |
| 21:25.28 | cr2 | but there is a locomo spi driver for sl5500 ? |
| 21:25.43 | cr2 | because it's used for mmc/sd |
| 21:26.16 | pH5 | cr2: ok |
| 21:26.20 | pH5 | is the locomo spi in mainline? |
| 21:26.47 | pH5 | tsc2200 is probably straightforward, too. |
| 21:26.52 | cr2 | hmm. not sure. |
| 21:27.07 | cr2 | have not used sl5500 for many 3 years :) |
| 21:29.51 | cr2 | must be in the oe somewhere |
| 21:33.10 | cr2 | pH5: http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~tkunze/zaurus/patches/locomo_spi-6a.patch |
| 21:35.14 | pH5 | cr2: thanks |
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| 23:15.13 | deek_ | any kaiser users on? |
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| 23:32.33 | imfloflo | HTC G1 avalaible tommorow , 5 march, in France :) http://www.journaldugeek.com/2009/03/02/exclu-photos-date-et-prix-du-htc-dream-chez-orange/ |
| 23:32.59 | deek_ | :-) |
| 23:33.40 | deek_ | I take it you'll be one of the first in line? |
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| 23:50.12 | cr2 | deek_: half-vga ? |
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| 23:57.56 | deek_ | whata re you asking? |
| 23:58.42 | deek_ | I just downloaded all the android source code for the kaiser |
