| 00:00.46 | cr2 | tmzt: TC358720XBG |
| 00:00.46 | balsat | oliwan: mount -o loop image.e2img /mountpoint |
| 00:00.52 | tmzt | we're pretty clear it has an mddi part and lcd controller part? |
| 00:01.13 | cr2 | tmzt: use google for TC358720XBG |
| 00:01.17 | balsat | mount -t ext2 -o loop image.e2img /mountpoint to be sure |
| 00:03.43 | balsat | remember to "umount /mountpoint" after editing |
| 00:04.21 | cr2 | NetRipper: od -x /dev/smd27 does not give anything, but it does not crash the raph too |
| 00:07.02 | tmzt | Description: Toshiba announced the introduction of the world's first MDDI-compliant LCD controller optimized for cell phones equipped with high-resolution VGA LCD displays. Dubbed the MDDI LCD Bridge and designated TC358720XBG, the highly integrated, single-chip device is well suited for the new generation of advanced multimedia cell phones with MDDI interfaces, including 3G cellular handsets.<<<>>>Features<<<>>><<<>>> 1. Compatib |
| 00:08.15 | tmzt | Integrates 8Mb embedded DRAM with a primary frame buffer for the primary display and a secondary frame buffer for the secondary display. |
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| 00:08.27 | tmzt | sorry, that was the quote and the pwm part |
| 00:08.30 | oliwan | balsat, cheers. It's read only though |
| 00:08.46 | tmzt | that explains the tv not working though? |
| 00:09.27 | cr2 | tmzt: raph init has 2 pwms |
| 00:09.32 | tmzt | ah, this was designed for lg phones? |
| 00:09.33 | cr2 | for toshiba |
| 00:09.39 | tmzt | flip phones |
| 00:09.49 | cr2 | but the g1 code initializes only 1 |
| 00:09.59 | tmzt | so the bus connecting the top to the bottom includes mddi |
| 00:10.07 | balsat | Hmm it should not be read only if you mount it like that.... only if you have a full image |
| 00:10.54 | oliwan | ok, leme try again |
| 00:11.44 | oliwan | oh i see. It seems only nautilus can't write to the mounted dir |
| 00:12.01 | oliwan | :) |
| 00:13.40 | lama | tmzt: http://www.generalmobile.com/new/Default.aspx?PageName=Products&ProductId=200 |
| 00:13.47 | lama | pxa310 android phone :) |
| 00:15.29 | cr2 | it's mostly about hardware support |
| 00:15.35 | cr2 | and hardware capabilities |
| 00:16.20 | lama | tmzt: and I see more pxa3xx android phones |
| 00:16.37 | lama | LG and QiGi |
| 00:16.40 | tmzt | 64Mhz Marvell CPU |
| 00:16.40 | tmzt | nice |
| 00:16.45 | tmzt | LG? |
| 00:19.05 | lama | tmzt: sorry GM |
| 00:19.06 | lama | http://i.gizmodo.com/5140211/dstl1-android-smartphone-may-become-first-cool-alternative-to-iphone |
| 00:19.51 | lama | the question is what will come to market cause all these phones are sub hvga strange resolutions like qvga, wqvga |
| 00:20.14 | tmzt | great, the also say it has avi/divx video playback, and video chat |
| 00:20.26 | tmzt | and JAVA |
| 00:20.38 | tmzt | which must mean j2me, and isn't supported by android |
| 00:20.46 | lama | hmm |
| 00:20.52 | lama | are you sure? :) |
| 00:21.00 | tmzt | about j2me? |
| 00:21.04 | lama | yes |
| 00:21.29 | tmzt | yeah, it's possible to adapt a j2me program for android but not to run kvm or jvm code directly |
| 00:21.51 | tmzt | it would have to have another vm implememnted |
| 00:22.01 | tmzt | in native code |
| 00:22.16 | lama | opera mini is ported to android by running inside some j2me emulator that works in "android java" haha |
| 00:23.38 | tmzt | I think they are still compiling it to dex first |
| 00:23.49 | tmzt | would like to know though |
| 00:25.56 | lama | http://labs.opera.com/news/2008/04/10/ |
| 00:26.12 | tmzt | then opera sa did it |
| 00:27.21 | cr2 | good night |
| 00:27.48 | lama | this microemulator thing is nice for runnign opera mini on "PC" |
| 00:27.59 | lama | good for netbooks |
| 00:29.11 | lama | hope mini will get tabs browsing someday, or there will be something native like mini (opera turbo sounds like that but might be for OEMs only) |
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| 01:19.27 | maejrep | <tmzt> maejrep: shouldn't it be enough to register platform data in the module if you really want to <-- smd.o doesn't use any platform data, and even if it did, it's only needed in one amss version (well, seems to be 7500-specific actually, cause it's the same for raph/cdma and vogue) |
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| 04:15.40 | tiger2wander1 | It was successful and almost thing on it is working well now |
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| 04:17.26 | swc|666 | <tiger2wander1>, which card |
| 04:19.08 | tiger2wander1 | Texas Instruments ACX 100 |
| 04:22.45 | tiger2wander1 | I saw report from xda-developers.com's wiki as GPE distribution is working with almost functions on BlueAngel phone, BTW, Can we get the firmware or config from that distro and put it into Opie to run? |
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| 04:41.00 | hechu | krisje8, you are still here. hehe . |
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| 05:28.25 | tmzt | Tinyboom: what? |
| 05:28.30 | tmzt | Tinyboom: sorry |
| 05:28.44 | tmzt | he left |
| 05:29.58 | tmzt | maejrep: what I mean is the module you load per device could register the platform data, the smd _probe could use that to register additional channels |
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| 05:49.26 | swc|666 | ti acx100 ftl |
| 05:49.33 | swc|666 | ah, hes gone... nm |
| 06:01.44 | boli^ | anybody know if the TyTn 1 is capable of androiding? |
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| 06:09.54 | tmzt | what is TyTn 1, wiki.xda-developers.com? |
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| 06:10.53 | AstainHasPS3 | tmzt its the hermes |
| 06:11.13 | tmzt | try the openmoko kernel |
| 06:11.13 | boli^ | krekt |
| 06:11.43 | boli^ | i'll suggest it |
| 06:11.52 | boli^ | ive got a kaiser myself |
| 06:11.54 | tmzt | if it doesn't work it it needs to be combined with the existing hermes kernel |
| 06:12.03 | tmzt | well it won't work, I mean the patches for openmoko |
| 06:12.09 | boli^ | i sold my hermes to a mate when i got the kaiser |
| 06:12.25 | boli^ | but i suspect when he sees android on mine, he'll ask if its possible on his |
| 06:13.14 | tmzt | it could be, don't know if it works now |
| 06:13.41 | boli^ | fair enough |
| 06:38.14 | TheiPirate | what is blurry screen? |
| 06:38.46 | TheiPirate | if i want to try a new build of android can i save my settings? like contacts |
| 06:43.05 | hechu | TheiPirate, in my kaiser, I can import contacts from SIM card, and save it. |
| 06:43.48 | hechu | TheiPirate, it seems all data saved in a file names "data.img", which it's file size is 64M. |
| 06:44.00 | boli^ | so dont delete it |
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| 06:47.15 | TheiPirate | ok |
| 06:47.25 | TheiPirate | im trying the new release and wanted to save the old stuff |
| 06:47.27 | TheiPirate | thanks |
| 06:48.22 | hechu-kaiser | TheiPirate, what mobile phone you are using. |
| 06:50.02 | hechu-kaiser | TheiPirate, I download android kaiser port from internet, it initially has a file "data.gz" size 2.x M, and will uncompressed to "data.img" when the system first boot. |
| 06:53.30 | TheiPirate | the tilt |
| 06:54.19 | boli^ | thats the same |
| 06:55.11 | TheiPirate | i am booting up to the new build |
| 07:00.17 | hechu-kaiser | oh,,, tilt is the same as my kaiser. |
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| 07:19.22 | TheiPirate | ok awesome i can log in |
| 07:19.38 | TheiPirate | i had my phone plugged in before i booted android now the amber charge LED is on :\ |
| 07:20.06 | tmzt | don't leave it plugged in for too long like that |
| 07:20.26 | tmzt | well, I guess amss/radio handles charging |
| 07:20.44 | tmzt | should ask maejrep or NetRipper |
| 07:23.01 | hechu-kaiser | tmzt, what mean maejrep ? |
| 07:23.13 | tmzt | maejrep: |
| 07:23.34 | tmzt | someone who did a lot of the work for raphael |
| 07:23.45 | hechu-kaiser | oh,,, sorry, I see. |
| 07:25.16 | hechu-kaiser | one question: I am using linux operating system, is there any application like 'active sync' that I can plug my kaiser and exchange data from it? |
| 07:25.25 | parmaster | synce |
| 07:26.40 | hechu-kaiser | parmaster, thanks, I will search and try. |
| 07:26.46 | tmzt | I hope someday conduit will work with synce without configuration, not sure what the current progress there is |
| 07:28.03 | parmaster | hecu-kaiser: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136257&page=7 read #65 down the page. |
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| 07:28.43 | parmaster | everything he is doing is correct |
| 07:28.59 | parmaster | except for the settings that need to be modified in /etc/ppp |
| 07:29.05 | tmzt | parmaster: how well does it work with htc phones? |
| 07:29.11 | parmaster | he doesn't set those so thats why he fails |
| 07:29.16 | tmzt | '/etc/ppp? |
| 07:29.21 | parmaster | tmzt: i've been using it for years |
| 07:29.23 | tmzt | it should all be rndis now |
| 07:29.58 | parmaster | he didn't set LCP echo reply to - |
| 07:29.59 | parmaster | 0 |
| 07:30.08 | hechu | parmaster, which package should I install inside Ubuntu 8.10, there is too many packages related with keyword "synce", but no one directly names "synce". |
| 07:30.13 | parmaster | so it hangs up after a few seconds |
| 07:30.22 | tmzt | oh, that's for tethering then? |
| 07:30.25 | parmaster | yah |
| 07:30.28 | tmzt | synce-hal |
| 07:30.31 | tmzt | if it will work |
| 07:31.20 | parmaster | yah, so anyway theres plenty of information out there to get synce up and running with it |
| 07:38.45 | hechu | tmzt, how to use synce-hal? it seems no executable file inside the package. |
| 07:38.57 | tmzt | plug in the phone |
| 07:39.02 | tmzt | synce-pstatus |
| 07:39.10 | tmzt | apt-get install librapi2-tools |
| 07:39.16 | tmzt | other way around |
| 07:41.40 | hechu | tmzt, ah ,,, so may applications with synce prefixed. I will try. |
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| 07:44.30 | parmaster | its just about getting linux to recognize your device |
| 07:44.36 | parmaster | once that is done, you're golden |
| 07:45.23 | hechu | parmaster, yeah, I can recongnize my device now. |
| 07:45.42 | hechu | any GUI application? |
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| 07:46.53 | parmaster | ummm theres some kde apps that you use with synce |
| 07:47.11 | tmzt | I would suggest building conduit from svn/git, it seems a bit more stable than multisync |
| 07:47.21 | tmzt | are you using evolution? |
| 07:48.44 | hechu | tmzt, I am using thunder-bird email client. Because sometimes I will back to XP and check my email, so I store all email into a NTFS file system. |
| 07:49.11 | tmzt | ah, don't know what syncs with that |
| 07:50.54 | hechu | tmzt, I am trying synce-kpm with some KDE stuff. |
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| 07:52.46 | Untouchab1e | Good mornign! |
| 07:52.47 | Untouchab1e | morning* |
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| 07:53.32 | tmzt | Untouchab1e: what scripts do your builds use to mount the images? |
| 08:04.40 | Untouchab1e | Quick question.. reports are coming in that the newest build doesnt work on the Raph800.. any ideas? |
| 08:05.01 | tmzt | anything specific? |
| 08:05.26 | tmzt | does you default.txt have mtype in it? it should probably be removed if it's possible to detect in haret |
| 08:05.31 | Untouchab1e | It cannot seem to locate anything in the '/system/bin...' directory. |
| 08:05.59 | Untouchab1e | It boots fine on my raph100, but some Raph800 users are saying they get the errors stated above |
| 08:06.54 | tmzt | which is why I asked about your scripts |
| 08:07.01 | tmzt | that could be msm_sdcc though |
| 08:07.30 | Untouchab1e | Its not msmsdcc-id.. I made them try both 2 and 3 |
| 08:08.00 | tmzt | we need the actual errors to have any idea what's going on |
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| 08:08.16 | tmzt | that's a symtom |
| 08:08.42 | tmzt | when you say build you mean an automatically built kernel? |
| 08:09.00 | parmaster | isn't there a step after compilation where you use cpio to set something on each of the files |
| 08:09.46 | tmzt | initramfs? |
| 08:11.07 | parmaster | oh, nevermind |
| 08:16.32 | mrmoku | hi all.... what mtype has one to specify for haret on an SE Xperia? |
| 08:17.20 | parmaster | i guess everything you're talking about is all squashfs loopback images |
| 08:20.08 | tmzt | mrmoku: not sure, ask dcordes later |
| 08:23.25 | parmaster | hah, this is crazy i bought two 64 gb kingston usb flash drives |
| 08:23.45 | parmaster | and left the factory fat32 formatting on them... |
| 08:24.11 | tmzt | what do those cost? |
| 08:24.30 | parmaster | created 16 .img files on each of them just under 4 gigabytes each. |
| 08:24.52 | parmaster | then i mounted all 32 of the files to loopback once i have them plugged in |
| 08:25.05 | parmaster | and set them up in lvm |
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| 08:25.14 | parmaster | formatted them as a single etc2 drive |
| 08:25.22 | parmaster | and it gives me 112.38gb |
| 08:25.28 | rm | did you make a RAID0? :D |
| 08:25.29 | parmaster | err ext2 |
| 08:25.35 | parmaster | hahaha |
| 08:25.40 | parmaster | ;) |
| 08:26.16 | boli^ | i blame the russians |
| 08:26.17 | parmaster | and my boot flash drive is a little 8 gig flash that boots the knoppix 5.3.1 dvd |
| 08:26.53 | parmaster | trying to figure out what to throw on the 112gb to carry around with me :) |
| 08:27.15 | boli^ | 1 really big mp3 |
| 08:27.19 | rm | why leave FAT32 on them? |
| 08:27.31 | parmaster | tmzt: i got them relatively cheap $110 included shipping.. from buy.com |
| 08:27.39 | parmaster | they have strange algorithms |
| 08:27.43 | tmzt | wow ok |
| 08:27.56 | parmaster | ($110 each) |
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| 08:28.05 | tmzt | don't think I would unless I really needed that much space though |
| 08:28.12 | parmaster | their wear-level algo's i mean |
| 08:28.21 | tmzt | just wondering, I think they would have been about 1000 dollars a few years ago |
| 08:28.33 | parmaster | so i just prefer to leave the factory set fat32 on it |
| 08:28.57 | parmaster | because reformatting them with anything (including fat32) can screw them up |
| 08:29.12 | boli^ | allegedly |
| 08:29.14 | parmaster | but not if you don't touch the factory format. |
| 08:29.29 | mrmoku | tmzt: thanks |
| 08:29.38 | boli^ | wearing algorithms have come on a long way since the early days of flash |
| 08:30.04 | tmzt | mrmoku: orzo had a question for you in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 08:30.13 | tmzt | I don't think it highlighted |
| 08:30.17 | parmaster | sure, but various implementations of file system formatting usually end up being written by joe blow. |
| 08:30.49 | parmaster | and joe blows fat32 implementation sometimes the usb no likey. |
| 08:30.59 | rm | you are wrong |
| 08:31.08 | rm | it is safe to format USB flash with any FS |
| 08:31.10 | boli^ | usb drives present a block device |
| 08:31.18 | parmaster | yes i realize this |
| 08:31.31 | rm | but perhaps one should avoid the journalling ones, to prevent excessive wear |
| 08:31.43 | boli^ | its possible that the wear algo of the block device prioritises certain areas often associated with fat |
| 08:31.50 | rm | no it's not |
| 08:31.55 | boli^ | yes it is |
| 08:31.57 | parmaster | but i have experimented and found problems |
| 08:31.59 | rm | :) |
| 08:32.14 | parmaster | also i'm booting from usb on many computers with no problems. |
| 08:32.27 | rm | they'd be beaten into death if any rigging like this discovered |
| 08:32.32 | parmaster | that changes if the factory fat32 implementation is changed |
| 08:32.47 | rm | it's like if a CPU prioritised performance of apps written by [a list of] certain manufacturers |
| 08:32.53 | boli^ | not at all |
| 08:32.55 | boli^ | you misunderstand |
| 08:33.08 | boli^ | its not to falsely increase the speed of the device |
| 08:33.31 | parmaster | strictly for the boot factor portion of it is why i'm handling it as loopback .img files under 4gb organized with lvm. |
| 08:33.56 | rm | it is to provide reliability at the expense of using real wear levelling which works on any area of the device just as well, imho |
| 08:34.03 | rm | i.e. cheaper |
| 08:34.25 | parmaster | anyway, i bet my flash drives last longer than yours so GNA! |
| 08:34.27 | parmaster | lol |
| 08:34.35 | boli^ | whatever makes you feel good |
| 08:34.50 | parmaster | do you guys do a lot of work with various FS? |
| 08:34.58 | boli^ | im nobody special |
| 08:35.01 | boli^ | they might be |
| 08:35.02 | parmaster | me too |
| 08:35.49 | boli^ | how much data do you lost if one of your loopbacks is corrupted beyond repair |
| 08:35.53 | boli^ | *lose |
| 08:36.19 | parmaster | i never have any problem |
| 08:36.28 | boli^ | yet |
| 08:36.33 | parmaster | i use ext2, and don't experience any corruption |
| 08:36.43 | boli^ | its a 'what if' question |
| 08:36.58 | boli^ | how much data do you lose if one of your loopbacks is corrupted beyond repair |
| 08:37.03 | boli^ | simple question |
| 08:37.04 | parmaster | its not a journaling fs |
| 08:37.11 | parmaster | and i check it regularly |
| 08:37.38 | parmaster | well i have a backup of the entire drive to a seperate 1tb usb drive at home |
| 08:37.51 | boli^ | riiight |
| 08:37.55 | parmaster | mostly i use that one to set up the images with what i want on them |
| 08:38.00 | boli^ | so is your answer 'all of it'? |
| 08:38.38 | parmaster | and then prefer to use the flash drives as a read only source when i'm out in the world |
| 08:39.14 | boli^ | your drives your choice |
| 08:39.17 | boli^ | doesnt bother me |
| 08:39.43 | boli^ | just an odd way to set them up |
| 08:47.13 | parmaster | well the overall changes i make i do on the usb hard drive and then just copy the image files over to the flash drives so i can mount and use them when i'm on the go |
| 08:47.36 | parmaster | don't get me wrong i copy data when i'm out onto them also |
| 08:47.49 | parmaster | i just try to minimize the amount |
| 08:48.20 | parmaster | copied about 12 gigs the other day |
| 08:48.41 | boli^ | reckons you just just format it and use it as a normal disk. you'll be older and wiser and will have bought brand new disks before those ones die. |
| 08:49.25 | parmaster | witht his format i can put them on any medium and still access the data.. so i'm sticking to it. |
| 08:49.28 | boli^ | while 32M was considered big, and flash tech was young, wear was a bit issue |
| 08:49.32 | boli^ | *big |
| 08:49.50 | boli^ | significantly less so now |
| 08:51.18 | parmaster | have you ever done that before? |
| 08:51.32 | parmaster | flash drives tend to have issues |
| 08:53.09 | boli^ | believe what you like dude |
| 08:53.28 | parmaster | i'm just saying because they will hang on writes |
| 08:53.47 | parmaster | with cacheing or no cacheing |
| 08:54.17 | parmaster | the way i have it i don't have problems like that. |
| 08:55.45 | boli^ | if you say so |
| 08:55.58 | boli^ | and now... back to your scheduled programming here on #htc-linux.... |
| 09:01.50 | Marajin | morning |
| 09:09.49 | Marajin | boli^: We have a schedule? |
| 09:10.10 | boli^ | ? |
| 09:10.20 | boli^ | oh i see |
| 09:10.23 | Marajin | 'back to your scheduled programming' ? :p |
| 09:10.34 | Marajin | I thougth we just hammered on the keyboard randomly in the hope of being given a cookie |
| 09:10.40 | boli^ | right. well 'stuff' is scheduled 'sometime' |
| 09:10.55 | boli^ | as long as you keep to that schedule everything will be groovy |
| 09:10.55 | Marajin | heh |
| 09:11.07 | Marajin | yeah baby yeah? |
| 09:11.22 | boli^ | something like that |
| 09:11.37 | Marajin | heh |
| 09:17.02 | Marajin | so how's it going? |
| 09:17.23 | boli^ | um |
| 09:17.39 | boli^ | its ok i guess |
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| 09:19.27 | boli^ | its 9am, ive been up since 1am. ive read the whole internet (twice). im trying to track down an app for importing my contacts from pocket outlook to android. and my wifi doesnt work. |
| 09:19.38 | boli^ | but apart from that everything is fine. |
| 09:20.24 | Marajin | boli^: there's an app to sync stuff to the online google stuff, I assume you can backsync to android from that |
| 09:20.42 | boli^ | id spotted that. |
| 09:20.50 | boli^ | but i dont want google to have my contacts |
| 09:21.11 | boli^ | so the search continues |
| 09:21.25 | parmaster | google wants your soul. |
| 09:22.01 | Marajin | if you're scared of google, using android seems a little senseless |
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| 09:23.08 | boli^ | not scared of google |
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| 10:17.21 | Untouchab1e | Good afternoon |
| 10:18.11 | Marajin | afternoon Untouchab1e |
| 10:18.18 | Untouchab1e | How's things? |
| 10:18.37 | Marajin | not too bad. My eye is rather better |
| 10:19.09 | Untouchab1e | Heh, thats good |
| 10:20.14 | Marajin | how about yourself? |
| 10:20.41 | Untouchab1e | A bit hungry, but other then that Im all good.. The weekend is closing in fast :D |
| 10:21.35 | Marajin | well food is always good |
| 10:24.02 | Untouchab1e | hah, Ive heard that usually helps as well |
| 10:24.08 | Untouchab1e | Il consider it |
| 10:25.16 | Marajin | it tends to help in maintaining weight yep |
| 10:27.51 | Marajin | can't concentrate on linux hackery without it ;) |
| 10:28.05 | Untouchab1e | Hehe, true, true |
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| 10:52.09 | captnoord | good morning |
| 10:52.52 | Marajin | hey captnoord |
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| 12:51.43 | ali1234 | BabelO: i have GSM/GPRS working on the 850 from cold boot and with a tty driver if you're interested... |
| 12:53.19 | ali1234 | no audio support yet though |
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| 13:57.30 | xsacha | hey anyone here running android? |
| 13:57.36 | xsacha | how does battery life compare to winmo? |
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| 14:32.51 | krisje8 | hoi |
| 14:32.58 | krisje8 | whoops wrong convo |
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| 14:40.25 | dcordes | mickey|zzZZzz: ping |
| 14:41.01 | krisje8 | judging at the 'zzZZzz' you won't get a pong that quickly |
| 14:41.52 | dcordes | it might not apply |
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| 15:15.48 | mrmoku | dcordes: ping |
| 15:24.35 | dcordes | mrmoku: pong |
| 15:26.07 | mrmoku | dcordes: hey... can you give me some hints regarding Xperia? |
| 15:26.21 | mrmoku | like... what mtype to use for haret |
| 15:26.29 | mrmoku | and if somebody is building something for it in OE |
| 15:28.31 | dcordes | mrmoku: currently there is no xperia specific code in the git. xperia machine number is 2006 but it's not used yet |
| 15:28.32 | xsacha | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=456595 |
| 15:28.55 | dcordes | those builds are obsolete |
| 15:29.04 | xsacha | oh yeah, obsolete |
| 15:29.37 | mrmoku | how much do htcraphael and htckovsky differ? |
| 15:30.28 | dcordes | not much |
| 15:30.56 | xsacha | any code for i780 in there dcordes |
| 15:31.05 | dcordes | where? |
| 15:31.09 | xsacha | git |
| 15:31.17 | dcordes | I don't know |
| 15:31.32 | xsacha | what's the address? |
| 15:32.18 | xsacha | mtype 1553 ? |
| 15:32.57 | dcordes | http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git |
| 15:33.12 | xsacha | im told my phone is 1553 |
| 15:33.37 | mrmoku | htc-msm-2.6.27 ? |
| 15:34.09 | descention | i've downloaded the latest set of files for the kaiser, and when botting to android i get a kernel panic |
| 15:34.24 | descention | s/botting/booting |
| 15:35.53 | descention | and it's because i'm dumb... |
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| 15:36.38 | mrmoku | xsacha: your phone is a SE xperia? |
| 15:36.53 | dcordes | mrmoku: yea use 2.6.27 for kovsky |
| 15:37.19 | mrmoku | dcordes: ok... is somebody working on an OE machine type for kovsky? |
| 15:37.45 | dcordes | it's not necessary yet because we don't even have kosvsky in the kernel |
| 15:40.58 | mrmoku | dcordes: ok... I see. somebody working on the kernel? My friend got his xperia and is willing to test ;) |
| 15:41.22 | dcordes | yea I have some things locally |
| 15:42.14 | mrmoku | dcordes: and you got a xperia to try it out? :-) |
| 15:42.38 | dcordes | yep |
| 15:43.09 | mrmoku | the place to follow progress would be in here? |
| 15:45.53 | dcordes | uh yea I can put a wiki page when there is some |
| 15:50.26 | mrmoku | dcordes: ok, if you remember ping me whenever something happens :P |
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| 15:52.33 | dcordes | mrmoku: will do |
| 15:53.27 | mrmoku | thanks |
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| 16:16.28 | descention | alright, i've got android running on my kaiser, yay |
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| 16:21.09 | Untouchab1e | Hi all |
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| 16:45.33 | AstainHellbring | morning |
| 16:45.35 | AstainHellbring | whats new? |
| 16:54.15 | zule | hell |
| 16:58.11 | AstainHellbring | hiya zule |
| 16:58.13 | AstainHellbring | how goes it? |
| 16:58.55 | zule | pretty good |
| 16:59.24 | AstainHellbring | cool |
| 16:59.29 | AstainHellbring | bored as hell here... |
| 16:59.57 | AstainHellbring | waiting room at hospital is boring |
| 17:06.52 | zule | i see |
| 17:07.00 | zule | is looking around at blueray players |
| 17:07.02 | zule | and cd players |
| 17:07.08 | zule | trying to decide what to get |
| 17:07.21 | zule | my current dvd/cd player (dvd-3300) can't play burned disks |
| 17:07.33 | zule | so I need to switch to something |
| 17:10.12 | AstainHellbring | ahh ic |
| 17:10.14 | AstainHellbring | get a ps3 |
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| 17:10.30 | zule | hell no |
| 17:10.38 | zule | sony shalt not receive 1 penny from me |
| 17:10.45 | zule | lol |
| 17:10.46 | AstainHellbring | its 100% worth it |
| 17:10.49 | AstainHellbring | I LOVE mine |
| 17:11.03 | AstainHellbring | and if you buy it after markey sony gets none of your $ |
| 17:11.16 | AstainHellbring | the divx support alone on ps3 is amazing |
| 17:12.16 | krisje8 | It supports linux! |
| 17:12.28 | AstainHellbring | I have a home theatre system at home that has divx support and took same avi file and played it on ps3 and quality diff was incredible |
| 17:12.33 | AstainHellbring | yep supports linux very well |
| 17:12.58 | zule | heh |
| 17:13.18 | zule | was looking at the McIntosh music server |
| 17:13.21 | zule | but it's like $5000 |
| 17:13.22 | zule | lol |
| 17:13.38 | AstainHellbring | damn ouch |
| 17:14.52 | hechu | krisje8, hi, |
| 17:15.35 | hechu | krisje8, did you used new released android for kaiser from dzo? |
| 17:16.43 | krisje8 | the sdk 1.1? no not yet |
| 17:17.03 | krisje8 | I'm gonna try to build one from the GIT repository :) |
| 17:17.17 | dcordes | hechu, krisje8 did you guys try the latest git? |
| 17:17.28 | dcordes | it doesn't boot for me |
| 17:17.44 | dcordes | hangs in haret. think msm_fb is broken |
| 17:17.50 | hechu | krisje8, here the last one: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/?C=M;O=D |
| 17:18.08 | dcordes | krisje8: can you tell me if it works for you? |
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| 17:18.49 | hechu | dcordes, my kaiser used hangs/freezes on the progress bar goes to 100%. |
| 17:18.51 | krisje8 | dcordes: I will once I've built it |
| 17:19.06 | dcordes | ok same here hechu |
| 17:19.36 | dcordes | vogue people here? |
| 17:19.47 | hechu | dcordes, and I upgraded my radio to 1.71.xx.xx tonight, and it seems fixed. I just tested twice. |
| 17:20.20 | AstainHellbring | raph800 raph100 and kais110 here |
| 17:20.26 | krisje8 | hechu: your android boots now? |
| 17:20.32 | hechu | dcordes, here the pages says the hangs/freezes is related with radio version. check the 'troubleshooting': http://www.androidonhtc.com/kaiser/install |
| 17:21.18 | hechu | krisje8, yes, the last build from here boots now: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/?C=M;O=D |
| 17:22.08 | krisje8 | android-kaiser-21-02-09.zip or the experimental one? |
| 17:22.15 | krisje8 | (hmm I didn't saw android-kaiser-21-02-09.zip before) |
| 17:22.17 | hechu | krisje8, I try to boot android twice after I upgraded radio, no hangs/freezes. |
| 17:22.26 | krisje8 | ok good ;) |
| 17:22.30 | dcordes | hechu: I think it's not related. the radio version problem was solved afaik |
| 17:22.32 | hechu | krisje8, android-kaiser-21-02-09.zip |
| 17:23.05 | krisje8 | I have 17-02 atm, I'll try the 21-02 |
| 17:23.20 | hechu | dcordes, this page says related with radio version, I don't konw. http://www.androidonhtc.com/kaiser/install |
| 17:23.50 | dcordes | it cannot be related. did not change my radio version. |
| 17:24.41 | hechu | krisje8, refer to here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3353246&postcount=3408 |
| 17:26.30 | krisje8 | ah so it is the 1.1 |
| 17:28.11 | hechu | krisje8, dzo modified some stuff about screen resolution or something, now the screen looks a little blurry... I don't like it. |
| 17:28.11 | dcordes | krisje8: got the kernel build done? |
| 17:30.46 | krisje8 | dcordes: no no not yet, I', doing 3 things at once and never used git before :p |
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| 17:58.47 | krisje8 | ok booting the newest (dzo's) android package |
| 17:58.56 | krisje8 | font while booting is messed up |
| 17:59.07 | krisje8 | is that just me ? |
| 17:59.15 | hechu | krisje8, ;-) |
| 17:59.20 | xsacha | if i have phone booting in to linux, what do i need to change for it to boot in to my android image? |
| 17:59.41 | krisje8 | default.txt I'd guess |
| 17:59.44 | krisje8 | and the files ofcourse |
| 17:59.50 | krisje8 | oh not haret? |
| 17:59.52 | xsacha | i mean i switched the lzimage |
| 17:59.55 | xsacha | yeah haret |
| 18:00.16 | tmzt | dcordes: can we get a kernel branch for i780/gsmomnia? |
| 18:00.33 | hechu | krisje8, my font also messed while booting. and after booting, the screen looks like a little bit blurry. don't you think. |
| 18:00.46 | xsacha | it spams me with 'waiting for sd' but it's weird cause i put it on internal memory |
| 18:01.28 | krisje8 | hechu: yea I can see that |
| 18:01.32 | xsacha | i know the sd part isnt done for my phone but just thought it should work without sd |
| 18:01.33 | krisje8 | I think he did somethignwith the pizels |
| 18:01.35 | krisje8 | pixels* |
| 18:01.42 | krisje8 | using the original g1 pixels or something |
| 18:01.52 | krisje8 | it all looks squashed |
| 18:02.26 | krisje8 | xsacha: android only boots from sd afaik? |
| 18:02.31 | krisje8 | the port that is |
| 18:02.32 | xsacha | oh ok |
| 18:02.35 | hechu | krisje8, yes, I don't fully understand dzo's post, but I know he used some G1 setting.. |
| 18:02.37 | xsacha | theres my problem |
| 18:02.45 | xsacha | yes tmzt, i need mirage port (i780) |
| 18:03.02 | tmzt | dcordes: I mean we should ask pH5 |
| 18:05.09 | hechu | krisje8, check this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3349982&postcount=3363 |
| 18:06.11 | hechu | krisje8, dzo scales the display from HVGA to QVGA, to make the screen more spaces. |
| 18:06.41 | hechu | krisje8, but the impact is blurry of the screen. |
| 18:11.13 | krisje8 | and it's not in aspect |
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| 18:15.11 | krisje8 | I found an other way to make haret stop at 100% |
| 18:15.27 | krisje8 | let me narrow down what I did |
| 18:27.59 | krisje8 | yes I found the problem |
| 18:28.12 | krisje8 | if I change mddi.width and mddi.height in the default.cfg |
| 18:28.14 | krisje8 | it crashes |
| 18:32.15 | dcordes | tmzt: I don't see why not |
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| 18:35.35 | dcordes | mickey|bbl: do you have a working setup now? |
| 18:45.56 | mickeyl | yes, it took us two days to find out that there's no plug-in support in the kernel yet |
| 18:46.13 | mickeyl | so that's why i could not use usb until i plugged it in during WM |
| 18:46.34 | mickeyl | i have a lot of work to support the HTC modem now, but |
| 18:46.35 | mickeyl | i wonder what's the roadmap wrt. to standard kernel interfaces |
| 18:46.49 | mickeyl | like power class, backlight device, etc. |
| 18:47.36 | mickeyl | oh and is there an X version with the refresh ioctl somehwere? |
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| 18:49.20 | hechu | krisje8, yeah, I tried to change mddi.width and mddi.height in the default.txt, and boot it, the haret stop at 100%. |
| 18:50.32 | tmzt | mickeyl: there should be a patch for the kernel now which will allow Xfbdev or Xorg fbdev to work |
| 18:50.56 | tmzt | it means having an update thread in the kernel |
| 18:51.13 | tmzt | dcordes: did that get pushed? |
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| 18:53.06 | tmzt | dcordes: http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/ |
| 18:54.54 | tmzt | http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/tsc2003.c;h=7eb94bbc488cae0adbc022fdf9a3a1e95ac6bca6;hb=75b17dde760148e52a0994f085b1cd902aac8 |
| 18:57.25 | dcordes | tmzt: I added it untested and it's broken. I fixed it locally and it's ready for pushing but there is a different problem now with the current revision |
| 18:58.11 | dcordes | tmzt: which I think was already solved since dzo has working builds with that. else it does only occur on kaiser. |
| 18:58.45 | tmzt | so X should work on raph? |
| 18:59.10 | Marajin | yo |
| 18:59.15 | Marajin | hey dcordes, tmzt |
| 18:59.36 | AstainHellbring | hiya Marajin |
| 18:59.57 | dcordes | tmzt: looks like I confused raphael and kaiser.. |
| 19:01.08 | dcordes | mickeyl: you need to activate config FB_MSM_REFRESH |
| 19:01.14 | dcordes | if you want to use Xfbdev with that kernel |
| 19:01.52 | mickeyl | dcordes: what's our general policy wrt. defconfigs? |
| 19:02.02 | mickeyl | i'd like to use upstream defconfig and only apply patches |
| 19:02.09 | mickeyl | rather than using an own one that we have to frequently update |
| 19:02.22 | dcordes | mickeyl: I thought about it today. I have seen you proposing to use the configs from the kernel. |
| 19:02.24 | mickeyl | at least as long as the kernel is in state of flow |
| 19:02.37 | mickeyl | once it's stable we can use custom defconfigs |
| 19:02.49 | mickeyl | but until then the chances are we might miss important stuff when we update the kernel |
| 19:02.57 | tmzt | maybe we should have a defconfig and an android_defconfig |
| 19:03.03 | mickeyl | tmzt: yes, that makes sense |
| 19:03.11 | mickeyl | i loathe all that android stuff in the defconfig |
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| 19:04.28 | tmzt | the core android stuff, ashmem and binderipc does not interfere with much of anything and can (or should be able to if not) be disabled in .config |
| 19:04.31 | dcordes | mickeyl: we can just keep the static defconfigs in OE. cause I think it's better to update the defconfigs rather than patches |
| 19:04.51 | tmzt | then there's just the changes for msm_fb which should be in .config options as well |
| 19:04.58 | tmzt | and pmem and h3wd, etc. |
| 19:05.25 | dcordes | mickeyl: I have prepared an update.. give me a few minutes |
| 19:06.14 | mickeyl | hmm, ok. with every defconfig change we need to catch up then |
| 19:06.22 | mickeyl | is more work imo |
| 19:06.23 | mickeyl | but ok |
| 19:07.03 | tmzt | sorry? |
| 19:08.22 | mickeyl | (that was wrt. static configs in oe) |
| 19:08.53 | tmzt | ah, what kind of changes against a proper (non-android) defconfig do you expect to need? |
| 19:09.06 | tmzt | and would a shared machine between OM and Angstrom work? |
| 19:09.15 | tmzt | I think dcordes was/is working on msm in OE |
| 19:10.50 | mickeyl | sometimes we have patches that are not (yet) suitable for upstream inclusion in oe |
| 19:11.23 | mickeyl | and sometimes you need to enable certain features such as filesystems or modules vs. static builds |
| 19:11.42 | mickeyl | so several distribution decisions influence defconfig |
| 19:11.49 | mickeyl | and upstream authors usually don't care :) |
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| 19:12.42 | mickeyl | OM and Angstrom are only different images built out of OE, they share a lot |
| 19:13.01 | mickeyl | as is FSO |
| 19:14.49 | Marajin | hey AstainHellbring |
| 19:15.12 | dcordes | how's it going Marajin? |
| 19:15.22 | Marajin | not too bad, my eye is almost completely healed |
| 19:15.43 | Marajin | I noticed I didn't seem to get the buffer/dma errors with the 2GB MicroSD card but android remained as unstable as from the 4GB card |
| 19:16.08 | AstainHellbring | what happened to your eye Marajin? |
| 19:16.35 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: Erm, I dunno, I woke up yesterday and it was so badly swollen I couldn't open it without forcing it open with my fingers. |
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| 19:17.47 | hechu | ah? |
| 19:18.35 | Marajin | ah? |
| 19:18.37 | AstainHellbring | damn Marajin that sucks |
| 19:18.43 | AstainHellbring | I bored as hell today myself |
| 19:18.48 | Marajin | heh |
| 19:18.54 | AstainHellbring | sitting at hospital waiting for wife to recover from surgery |
| 19:18.58 | Marajin | oh |
| 19:19.00 | Marajin | is she ok? |
| 19:19.11 | AstainHellbring | yah she had gal bladder removed |
| 19:19.19 | Marajin | no complications I hope? |
| 19:19.45 | AstainHellbring | nope none at all and looks like getting rid of it should help her feel a shit ton better |
| 19:21.27 | hechu | Marajin, AstainHellbring , take care of yourself and your families. |
| 19:21.58 | AstainHellbring | thx hechu |
| 19:21.59 | hechu | I got sleep now. it's too late. 3:21 AM in my local time. |
| 19:22.03 | Marajin | heh |
| 19:22.05 | Marajin | Meh |
| 19:22.08 | hechu | bye. |
| 19:22.11 | Marajin | taking care of myself is too much like effort ;) |
| 19:22.27 | Marajin | It's not like another scar or injury would be noticeable |
| 19:23.24 | Marajin | anyway AstainHellbring, Good news :) Worth the wait I'd say |
| 19:23.41 | dcordes | mickeyl: can you test Xfbdev with the kernel I just built so we can make sure we push the metadata in a working state? |
| 19:23.56 | AstainHellbring | yep very worth it |
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| 19:23.59 | Marajin | sooo, anything > the Raphael due out in the next month? |
| 19:24.08 | AstainHellbring | nope |
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| 19:24.13 | Marajin | my contract renew date is drawing closer |
| 19:24.23 | xsacha | Samsung... |
| 19:24.27 | hechu | Marajin, too complex to me... my English is bad. |
| 19:24.32 | hechu | bye |
| 19:24.33 | AstainHellbring | tp2 not due till summer and thats not really all that great anyway |
| 19:24.35 | xsacha | Idou |
| 19:24.39 | dcordes | hechu: good night |
| 19:24.50 | hechu | dcordes, see you. |
| 19:24.53 | Marajin | hechu: what language do you speak then? |
| 19:25.10 | krisje8 | chinese I'd guess |
| 19:25.13 | hechu | Marajin, I am a Chinese. male. |
| 19:25.21 | xsacha | well actually it wont be out by next month i think |
| 19:25.23 | hechu | krisje8, yea right. |
| 19:25.23 | Marajin | ah, my mandarin is probably not good enough to explain |
| 19:25.26 | xsacha | june? |
| 19:25.39 | krisje8 | ni hao, xi xi, sai jian. that's all the chinese I know :p |
| 19:25.42 | Marajin | heh |
| 19:25.47 | xsacha | xie xie? :P |
| 19:25.48 | Marajin | my girlfriend is chinese |
| 19:25.51 | xsacha | thanks |
| 19:25.56 | hechu | Marajin, ah? you can speak in Chinese ? |
| 19:25.59 | Marajin | I learnt some to make her parents happy |
| 19:26.05 | krisje8 | hehe |
| 19:26.06 | hechu | Marajin, o i c. |
| 19:26.23 | hechu | Marajin, hahaha, |
| 19:26.25 | AstainHellbring | Marajin only speaks enough to say gimme head to his girl in chinese ;) |
| 19:26.34 | Marajin | though her dad speaks cantonese -.- |
| 19:26.35 | mickeyl | dcordes: you built a 2.6.27 for raphael? |
| 19:26.47 | Marajin | but what the hell, they both speak english |
| 19:26.49 | mickeyl | dcordes: i don't have X on the raph atm., I can do that tomorrow |
| 19:26.50 | Marajin | albeit badly |
| 19:26.56 | dcordes | mickeyl: yep |
| 19:26.56 | mickeyl | dcordes: or when my wife goes to bed ;) |
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| 19:27.00 | Marajin | anyway, night hechu, sleep well |
| 19:27.05 | mickeyl | dcordes: ok, got a URI? |
| 19:27.08 | xsac | dropped |
| 19:27.14 | hechu | thanks, bye guys. |
| 19:27.50 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: heh, no need, frankly my mandarin is probably slightly better than hers |
| 19:28.07 | AstainHellbring | lol damn |
| 19:28.14 | Marajin | raised in the west see, she only speaks enough to argue with her mother ;) |
| 19:28.50 | AstainHellbring | lol |
| 19:29.02 | AstainHellbring | so when she starts speaking it you know its time to leave anyway |
| 19:29.23 | Marajin | yeah |
| 19:29.28 | Marajin | I get under the desk with a tin helmet on |
| 19:30.08 | AstainHellbring | lol |
| 19:30.25 | dcordes | mickeyl: http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/builds/kernel/raphael/zImage-htcraphael-20092002-00 |
| 19:30.46 | Marajin | so, what's the beef with the TP2 ? |
| 19:31.19 | AstainHellbring | specs same as TP they killed dpad for zoom bar that doesnt work and keyboard is ick |
| 19:31.25 | AstainHellbring | only good thing is bigger screen and tilt |
| 19:31.27 | dcordes | mickeyl: you can use this X11 initrd for testing: http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/builds/OE/x11-image-120708.cpio.gz just add a line INITRD = x11-image-120708.cpio.gz |
| 19:31.27 | mickeyl | dcordes: oki, will test later tonite |
| 19:31.40 | mickeyl | dcordes: ah, ok |
| 19:31.54 | dcordes | it's based on the normal x11-image |
| 19:31.56 | mickeyl | will it also refresh during console mode with that? |
| 19:32.09 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: It's WVGA? |
| 19:32.10 | tmzt | dcordes: set INITRD ? |
| 19:32.12 | Marajin | or just physically bigger? |
| 19:33.01 | AstainHellbring | yes wvga |
| 19:33.12 | AstainHellbring | but exact same cam same mem same proc |
| 19:33.20 | dcordes | mickeyl: yea set initrd. thanks tmzt. the refresh thread doesn't influence noticable the way console looks on kaiser |
| 19:33.47 | Marajin | so not that much interesting about it yeah |
| 19:33.56 | Marajin | lazy designers |
| 19:34.36 | mickeyl | dcordes: ok, i was asking because the psplash was not visible on my raphaewl |
| 19:34.45 | mickeyl | after kernel boot the console was cleared |
| 19:34.49 | mickeyl | and then it stayed that way |
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| 19:34.56 | mickeyl | until init 3 was reached |
| 19:35.04 | mickeyl | so in graphic console mode it didn't refresh |
| 19:35.15 | dcordes | mickeyl: probably removed psplash from init in that initrd |
| 19:35.22 | AstainHellbring | yah very lazy Marajin I'm only looking forward to tegra devices and palm pre |
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| 19:35.31 | Marajin | hmm, little under 3 weeks till my renewal date I guess |
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| 19:35.48 | Marajin | well, the site shows my contract expiry as 11th april I think, so I should be able to get a new phone on 11th march |
| 19:36.21 | AstainHellbring | but then again I already have two raphaels one gsm one cdma |
| 19:36.55 | Marajin | I'll be on a GSM one.. O2 in the UK |
| 19:37.59 | AstainHellbring | ahh yep thats def gsm |
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| 19:38.41 | Marajin | I know :p |
| 19:38.48 | AstainHellbring | hiya maejrep[w] |
| 19:38.52 | Marajin | pats his trusty kaiser. |
| 19:39.07 | Marajin | My hermes is going to have a friend to gather dust with on the shelf |
| 19:39.19 | AstainHellbring | using my kaiser today since I have no us 3g on raph |
| 19:40.04 | dcordes | Marajin: true, he's really trusty |
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| 19:42.41 | Marajin | heh |
| 19:42.48 | Marajin | well it's survived a while |
| 19:42.51 | Marajin | 18 months I guess |
| 19:42.51 | AstainHellbring | slaps lutzik |
| 19:42.56 | NetRipper | Marajin, wow, we can pick a new phone 4 months before renewal already.. |
| 19:43.07 | NetRipper | at t-mobile |
| 19:43.07 | Marajin | NetRipper: awhowhatnow/ |
| 19:43.13 | Marajin | oh |
| 19:43.23 | Marajin | yeah but I can't do that cause I have an existing contract anyway |
| 19:43.47 | NetRipper | that's what i mean |
| 19:43.50 | Marajin | and eh, o2 customer support have always been excellent with me |
| 19:44.07 | Marajin | the broadband department are mad as hatters |
| 19:44.26 | Marajin | they gave me 3 months free.. why? just cause |
| 19:44.29 | NetRipper | my contract was due 18th of february.. but i could renew and get a new phone in november already |
| 19:44.35 | Marajin | didn't even tell me, just stopped taking their payment |
| 19:44.48 | Marajin | I phoned up like 'wtf? you didn't take your money' |
| 19:44.50 | NetRipper | hehe |
| 19:44.56 | Marajin | and they're like 'yeah we know, free broadband for you' |
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| 19:45.11 | NetRipper | nice ;) |
| 19:45.33 | Marajin | I only pay like 17 quid a month for 20M/2M broadband with a static IP and a wireless-n router included |
| 19:45.35 | NetRipper | i just got a standard discount which applies to all subscribers |
| 19:45.38 | NetRipper | when they renew |
| 19:45.52 | NetRipper | im not the negotiating type either.. might have gotten more but ok.. |
| 19:45.52 | NetRipper | :) |
| 19:46.03 | Marajin | yeah, I am sometimes |
| 19:46.16 | Marajin | I just saved my parents like 600 pounds a year on their gas/electricity bill |
| 19:46.54 | Marajin | I argued their existing supplier down by 150/ year but I got a different supplier to go down a full 600 so hey |
| 19:47.10 | NetRipper | rofl |
| 19:47.27 | NetRipper | now that's a deal |
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| 19:47.48 | Marajin | well half deal, half their existing supplier is a rip off |
| 19:47.59 | Marajin | it's like Virgin Media, they charge fucking huge amounts for broadband |
| 19:48.11 | dcordes | NetRipper: I can pick a phone anytime at voda de. just need to pre-prolong the contract |
| 19:48.13 | NetRipper | heh it was in the news yea |
| 19:48.14 | Marajin | 20M broadband from them is what, 40/month? |
| 19:48.31 | dcordes | cr2: what's up? |
| 19:48.39 | NetRipper | it was their sneaky internet filter that reached the news here in europe |
| 19:48.44 | NetRipper | (in the rest of europe i mean) |
| 19:48.52 | Marajin | heh, O2 are mad about that too |
| 19:48.54 | cr2 | lol |
| 19:48.57 | Marajin | no filter, no limits |
| 19:49.06 | Marajin | I was like '...so what, you don't care if I download a terabyte a month?' |
| 19:49.18 | Marajin | 'meh, not really as long as your local exchange doesn't explode from the pressure' |
| 19:49.21 | NetRipper | lol |
| 19:49.28 | NetRipper | sounds like an isp to my heart |
| 19:49.44 | Marajin | they have a 24/7 freephone tech support line |
| 19:49.45 | tmzt | AstainHellbring: why? why would 3g not work on raph but work on kais? |
| 19:49.49 | Marajin | for which I have a 'priority' number |
| 19:49.57 | Marajin | and they're pretty smart guys |
| 19:49.59 | cr2 | Marajin: 5GB slowdown cap here |
| 19:50.03 | NetRipper | you probably pay a little bit more than other providers, but you get a good service and good support for it |
| 19:50.05 | Marajin | cr2: nasty.. |
| 19:50.12 | Marajin | cr2: I download about 5GB a half day ;) |
| 19:50.14 | AstainHellbring | tmzt US 3g is 1900 mhz and the euro raph doesn't have the freq |
| 19:50.25 | dcordes | Marajin: on your kaiser? |
| 19:50.30 | tmzt | ah, so you kais is us? |
| 19:50.31 | Marajin | NetRipper: I don't, one of the cheapest broadband suppliers in the UK |
| 19:50.37 | NetRipper | is it? |
| 19:50.38 | Marajin | dcordes: er, no? on my home network |
| 19:50.39 | NetRipper | sweet |
| 19:50.42 | cr2 | NetRipper: do you know how to trace DEX ? |
| 19:50.49 | tmzt | does the raph have 2100 or 1700 |
| 19:50.55 | NetRipper | the cheapest broadband suppliers here are horrible at their service |
| 19:50.58 | Marajin | NetRipper: 17/month for 20meg/2Meg broadband with a static IP ? |
| 19:50.59 | AstainHellbring | dcordes: kaiser is quad band wcdma |
| 19:51.04 | AstainHellbring | raph is only tri band |
| 19:51.13 | NetRipper | that's pretty good indeed |
| 19:51.26 | Marajin | the static IP alone is generally 5 / month |
| 19:51.40 | dcordes | cr2: what is required to make sound work on raphael? |
| 19:51.48 | captnoord | aDSP? |
| 19:51.57 | NetRipper | we got providers with a similar pricing... if the dsl connection is fine then you're good... but if there are dsl signal issues or whatever... you're screwed.. as the service s terrible |
| 19:51.58 | Marajin | they're great.. all the things I ask them. 'so..er.. you care if I run a server web/email/etc. from my line? ' 'nope, go for it' |
| 19:52.00 | cr2 | dcordes: tracing and thinking |
| 19:52.11 | NetRipper | cr2, i havent traced dex before |
| 19:52.27 | Marajin | NetRipper: yeah they're awesome about that too, if your line won't give you the billed speed, they'll charge free change your tariff instantly |
| 19:52.34 | AstainHellbring | tmzt: yes raph has 2100 |
| 19:52.42 | NetRipper | heh sounds good :) |
| 19:52.43 | cr2 | NetRipper: i'd like to track the Dplus=1 dex call on usb connect |
| 19:52.53 | cr2 | NetRipper: but i don't have working wifi ;) |
| 19:53.08 | NetRipper | cr2, tell me the commands |
| 19:53.17 | cr2 | ath5k and bcm43xx don't want to work out of the box |
| 19:53.33 | Marajin | I even phone them up to fiddle with things like the SN ratio and the protocols used on my line and they'll spend an hour just fucking with my line |
| 19:53.33 | captnoord | cr2: laptop with intel chipset? |
| 19:53.38 | captnoord | wiki I mean |
| 19:53.41 | captnoord | wifi* |
| 19:53.53 | cr2 | captnoord: nc10 and nx6325 |
| 19:53.57 | captnoord | you can create a ad-hoc network |
| 19:54.13 | captnoord | which you can use to connect to |
| 19:54.18 | cr2 | captnoord: i have 2 APs |
| 19:54.34 | cr2 | the problem is on the linux kernel side |
| 19:54.46 | captnoord | I see..... |
| 19:55.19 | cr2 | NetRipper: add all virtual mappings of 0x01ffc000 0x1000 to mmutrace |
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| 19:57.52 | NetRipper | cr2, you mean the whole documented fcxxx range?? |
| 19:58.34 | cr2 | NetRipper: if i boot with gps enabled, then the boot process hangs at 'udev' stage. it may be some rpc watchdog. |
| 19:58.55 | cr2 | NetRipper: there is not that much happening there |
| 19:59.01 | NetRipper | cr2, yes that's whati meant by hang :) and it's at a different stage every time i think |
| 19:59.20 | cr2 | NetRipper: was very consistent for me |
| 19:59.21 | NetRipper | cr2, what do you mean with the 0x1000? |
| 19:59.25 | cr2 | at tthe same place |
| 19:59.30 | NetRipper | ok |
| 19:59.38 | cr2 | the 0x1000 page @0x1ffc000 |
| 19:59.52 | NetRipper | so, up to fc150? |
| 20:00.10 | cr2 | 0x1ffd |
| 20:00.16 | NetRipper | ok |
| 20:00.52 | cr2 | i saw the periodic arm11 frequency check there |
| 20:01.52 | cr2 | here : |
| 20:01.59 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.01 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.16 | NetRipper | cr2, do you also want any irqs? |
| 20:04.26 | NetRipper | it'll be irq spam if you do |
| 20:04.26 | NetRipper | :) |
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| 20:09.42 | cr2 | NetRipper: ubs_hs maybe |
| 20:09.49 | cr2 | s/ubs/usb/ |
| 20:10.00 | NetRipper | hm |
| 20:10.05 | NetRipper | yes usb_hs irqs |
| 20:10.29 | cr2 | maejrep could trace dex |
| 20:10.30 | NetRipper | but no activity on 0x01ffc000.. or mmutrace failed |
| 20:10.44 | NetRipper | think i need to trace the other memory address |
| 20:11.04 | cr2 | +0xfc100 PC_COMMAND (a2m_cmd) |
| 20:11.05 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.07 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.08 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.10 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.00 | NetRipper | holy.. |
| 20:13.06 | cr2 | NetRipper: btw, have you tried to add other smd channels ? |
| 20:13.07 | cr2 | ? |
| 20:13.11 | NetRipper | that's a lot of activity |
| 20:13.27 | NetRipper | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.32 | NetRipper | tracing the spl mapping now |
| 20:13.51 | cr2 | it's all documented |
| 20:14.03 | NetRipper | i know |
| 20:14.15 | cr2 | sound |
| 20:14.26 | NetRipper | you want a dump of that stuff when i put in usb? |
| 20:14.33 | cr2 | yes |
| 20:17.42 | NetRipper | cr2, http://www.netripper.com/raphael/mmutrace-usb-in.txt |
| 20:17.48 | NetRipper | pieces are missing due to overflow |
| 20:19.06 | NetRipper | there's probably a lot happening when you insert usb |
| 20:19.11 | NetRipper | a lot non-usb related things |
| 20:19.12 | cr2 | ok, you should trace the single registers |
| 20:19.39 | cr2 | fc100 and fc120 |
| 20:19.40 | NetRipper | cr2, narrow down your registers first |
| 20:20.05 | NetRipper | ok, 4 bytes of each? |
| 20:20.59 | cr2 | yes |
| 20:22.33 | cr2 | 011621: mmutrace 80064500: e5831000(str) aa0fc100 8005ef84 (00000000) |
| 20:22.35 | cr2 | 011621: mmutrace 8006450c: e5803000(str) aa0fc120 36d078ac (00000000) |
| 20:22.38 | cr2 | this looks strange |
| 20:22.59 | tmzt | old haretconsole? |
| 20:23.13 | NetRipper | no haretconsole |
| 20:23.16 | NetRipper | redir |
| 20:23.21 | NetRipper | it was too much output for haretconsole |
| 20:23.21 | tmzt | yeah |
| 20:23.23 | cr2 | tmzt: missing objdump |
| 20:23.42 | cr2 | bt i'm about the values written |
| 20:23.52 | NetRipper | cr2, http://www.netripper.com/raphael/mmutrace-usb-in-2.txt |
| 20:24.01 | cr2 | the 8 and c counters look ok. |
| 20:24.50 | cr2 | 8005ef84 looks like a pointer |
| 20:25.31 | cr2 | mmutrace 80064500 <- it's inside nk.exe ? |
| 20:26.36 | cr2 | the other ones are ok |
| 20:26.40 | cr2 | 004144: mmutrace 7806092c: e5831000(str) aa0fc100 0000008a (00000000) |
| 20:26.42 | cr2 | 004144: mmutrace 78060938: e5803000(str) aa0fc120 00000000 (00000000) |
| 20:27.00 | cr2 | 004374: mmutrace 7806092c: e5831000(str) aa0fc100 00000091 (00000000) |
| 20:27.02 | cr2 | 004374: mmutrace 78060938: e5803000(str) aa0fc120 00000000 (00000000) |
| 20:27.07 | cr2 | the irq 0x40 .... |
| 20:27.27 | cr2 | 6 |
| 20:27.52 | cr2 | 6 INT_A9_M2A_6 |
| 20:27.53 | cr2 | ok |
| 20:28.18 | cr2 | so you see 8a, 91 and some junk later |
| 20:28.46 | cr2 | 4 0x8a get battery data 0 |
| 20:29.00 | cr2 | 78 0x91 get tx pwr 0 |
| 20:29.02 | mickeyl | dcordes: ok, tried it. touchscreen didn't work and the on-screen display was quite disturbing, but the X background and xtscal seemed to look ok |
| 20:29.04 | cr2 | interesting |
| 20:29.17 | mickeyl | dcordes: so i guess the kernel is ok. can we get rid of that OSD? |
| 20:29.33 | mickeyl | will be back in a couple of hours |
| 20:30.16 | dcordes | mickeyl: ok that was expected. the touchscreen also needs a patch for X which is not in git. yea I will disable OSD in the OE config |
| 20:31.02 | cr2 | NetRipper: it's interesting who sends 0x91. but these are still not-usb calls |
| 20:32.32 | tmzt | dcordes: did you get the git link earlier? |
| 20:32.59 | tmzt | dcordes: that's the one we modified but it doesn't have the change, it should be easy enough to comment out the calibration parts and just use x and y |
| 20:34.52 | dcordes | tmzt: what are the calibration parts I need to comment out?D |
| 20:36.30 | cr2 | NetRipper: it's not related to usb |
| 20:36.35 | cr2 | 011.131 780609a4: e5831000(str) # aa0fc100 =0000008a |
| 20:36.36 | cr2 | 011.131 780609b0: e5803000(str) # aa0fc120 =00000000 |
| 20:36.38 | cr2 | 011.131 IRQS IRQ0: M2A_6(6)=1 |
| 20:36.47 | cr2 | just a periodic call |
| 20:37.35 | cr2 | 5*8a + 91 |
| 20:37.46 | cr2 | i can see it too |
| 20:38.17 | tmzt | dcordes: in ts_read |
| 20:38.29 | cr2 | NetRipper: and some stray junk |
| 20:38.53 | tmzt | xc, yc stuff |
| 20:38.53 | NetRipper | ok |
| 20:39.21 | cr2 | HaRET(9)# addr2mod 0x780609a4 |
| 20:39.22 | cr2 | Address 780609a4 not process specific |
| 20:39.22 | tmzt | I think the actual OSD calibration was in msm_fb, not here |
| 20:39.24 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.39 | NetRipper | anyone know an alternative for Eterm? gnome-terminal and konsole are too bloated, but i want a terminal that does support clickable links ;_ |
| 20:39.42 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 20:39.52 | cr2 | xterm ? :) |
| 20:40.01 | NetRipper | isn't that even more limited than Eterm? |
| 20:40.07 | cr2 | lol |
| 20:40.32 | NetRipper | oh i want transparency too |
| 20:40.32 | NetRipper | :P |
| 20:40.38 | NetRipper | im not demanding, or anything |
| 20:40.43 | maejrep[w] | gnome-terminal is too bloated? |
| 20:41.06 | NetRipper | hm |
| 20:41.15 | NetRipper | i realised you can remove the statusbar from gnome-terminal |
| 20:41.27 | maejrep[w] | it has a status bar? :p |
| 20:41.33 | NetRipper | file/edit/view etc |
| 20:41.36 | maejrep[w] | oh |
| 20:41.43 | maejrep[w] | you can do fullscreen with it too ;p |
| 20:41.47 | maejrep[w] | if you're into that sort of thing |
| 20:41.52 | maejrep[w] | I usually don't use the menu bar |
| 20:42.05 | maejrep[w] | just memorize the keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:42.12 | NetRipper | does it do transparency? |
| 20:42.15 | maejrep[w] | yes |
| 20:42.23 | maejrep[w] | (i would need the menu bar for that ;) |
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| 20:42.34 | maejrep[w] | iTerm does transparency too |
| 20:42.39 | maejrep[w] | (but that's OS X) |
| 20:42.52 | maejrep[w] | (which I know is not at all useful to you) |
| 20:43.06 | cr2 | i don't understand why the 8a is called 5 times. central limit theorem ? |
| 20:43.16 | maejrep[w] | 8a is battery? |
| 20:43.19 | cr2 | yes |
| 20:43.32 | cr2 | maejrep[w]: and then 91: |
| 20:43.37 | maejrep[w] | within what time frame? |
| 20:43.40 | cr2 | maejrep[w]: gsm tx power |
| 20:43.42 | maejrep[w] | on my device, it runs every 10 seconds |
| 20:43.46 | NetRipper | hehe |
| 20:44.10 | cr2 | no, in 1 packet |
| 20:44.12 | maejrep[w] | runs both 8a and 8b |
| 20:44.20 | maejrep[w] | 5 times in one packet? :p |
| 20:45.04 | cr2 | 30 sec in between |
| 20:45.06 | cr2 | yes |
| 20:45.23 | cr2 | 024.148 780609a4: e5831000(str) # aa0fc100 =00000091 |
| 20:45.25 | cr2 | 024.148 780609b0: e5803000(str) # aa0fc120 =00000000 |
| 20:45.26 | cr2 | 024.148 IRQS IRQ0: M2A_6(6)=1 |
| 20:45.27 | cr2 | 054.215 780609a4: e5831000(str) # aa0fc100 =0000008a |
| 20:45.29 | cr2 | 054.215 780609b0: e5803000(str) # aa0fc120 =00000000 |
| 20:45.30 | cr2 | 54-24 |
| 20:45.59 | cr2 | so it's once per 30 sec |
| 20:46.10 | NetRipper | hm |
| 20:46.12 | NetRipper | lovely |
| 20:46.20 | NetRipper | should've given gnome-terminal another try sooner |
| 20:46.53 | cr2 | NetRipper: so wince queries the battery once per 30 secs |
| 20:47.07 | NetRipper | cr2, unless you force it |
| 20:47.22 | cr2 | the "powermon" delivers some interpolated data then |
| 20:47.28 | cr2 | yes |
| 20:47.41 | NetRipper | at least.. an app can request a 'forced' update instead of a cached one |
| 20:47.51 | cr2 | i'll run powermon in parallel |
| 20:48.20 | cr2 | the pwermon values change fatser than 1/30sec |
| 20:48.30 | NetRipper | mmm i love that "XLarge" tag on a bag of m&ms |
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| 20:48.58 | cr2 | btw, i can't run playsound |
| 20:48.59 | NetRipper | powermon may do a forceful update |
| 20:49.19 | NetRipper | that's normal when sound isn't available in the kernel, i think |
| 20:50.31 | cr2 | no, still 30 sec |
| 20:50.48 | cr2 | NetRipper: a haret commands |
| 20:51.12 | cr2 | HaRET(2)# playsound 5 |
| 20:51.14 | cr2 | Playing chord.wav for 5 seconds |
| 20:51.16 | NetRipper | oh |
| 20:51.16 | NetRipper | ok |
| 20:51.18 | cr2 | does not work |
| 20:51.26 | cr2 | as in "does not play" |
| 20:51.46 | NetRipper | do you have a chord.wav in your \windows? |
| 20:53.41 | cr2 | need to check |
| 20:54.07 | cr2 | maejrep[w]: i see the b4/b4 changes at some obscure smem mapping |
| 20:54.43 | cr2 | +0xfc0b4 subsys clock related (semaphore?) |
| 20:54.45 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.15 | cr2 | NetRipper: can you trace this one ? |
| 20:55.19 | cr2 | +0xfc00c =0 usb/ac charging? |
| 20:55.54 | NetRipper | while plugging in usb? |
| 20:56.08 | cr2 | yes |
| 20:57.49 | NetRipper | http://netripper.pastebin.com/d473bacf8 |
| 20:59.05 | cr2 | can you plug the ac ? |
| 20:59.13 | NetRipper | emmm |
| 20:59.30 | NetRipper | you're in luck |
| 20:59.32 | NetRipper | i can |
| 21:00.36 | NetRipper | cr2, http://netripper.pastebin.com/d18333169 |
| 21:00.44 | cr2 | :) |
| 21:01.00 | NetRipper | im brb, back in an hour |
| 21:01.06 | cr2 | ok |
| 21:02.54 | captnoord | wonders if it sends delta I |
| 21:03.02 | captnoord | because then its quite logic |
| 21:03.02 | captnoord | :D |
| 21:03.22 | captnoord | and you can actualy calculate the power consumption easely |
| 21:03.35 | captnoord | the value you get will be delta i of 30 seconds |
| 21:03.36 | captnoord | so |
| 21:03.38 | captnoord | *2 |
| 21:03.40 | captnoord | will get ya |
| 21:03.43 | captnoord | minute |
| 21:03.46 | captnoord | * 60 |
| 21:03.53 | captnoord | will get you I per hour |
| 21:04.00 | captnoord | which is a normalised value |
| 21:04.19 | cr2 | captnoord: why 5 times ? |
| 21:04.31 | captnoord | I missed that part |
| 21:04.57 | captnoord | scrolls back |
| 21:05.04 | NetRipper | providing only delta's is not logical... you'd still need to get the initial power state |
| 21:05.43 | captnoord | is it? |
| 21:05.45 | captnoord | I think |
| 21:05.47 | captnoord | its batched |
| 21:05.48 | captnoord | as in |
| 21:05.55 | captnoord | it samples 5x in 30 seconds |
| 21:06.01 | captnoord | and sends them over in 1 go |
| 21:06.16 | captnoord | meaning |
| 21:06.24 | captnoord | its sampling once every 6 second |
| 21:06.46 | NetRipper | what exactly does it send in 1 go? |
| 21:06.48 | captnoord | NetRipper: battery stuff is usualy done with delta sigma stuff |
| 21:06.54 | captnoord | points at batched |
| 21:07.02 | captnoord | maybe limit io |
| 21:07.04 | NetRipper | yes but example? |
| 21:07.13 | NetRipper | maybe im misunderstanding what you mean by delta's |
| 21:07.37 | captnoord | the idea is |
| 21:07.43 | NetRipper | but when a OS boots, it must know for the first time that the power is at 50% before it accepts a delta of -1% (pretty much simplified, but you get my idea) |
| 21:08.16 | captnoord | you remember you where asked to charge your mobile phone fully the first time? |
| 21:08.22 | NetRipper | and if you'd miss an event you wouldn't be able to catch up |
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| 21:08.35 | NetRipper | captnoord, sure |
| 21:08.42 | captnoord | thats how it gets the max value |
| 21:08.46 | NetRipper | yes |
| 21:08.56 | captnoord | and of course its stored somewhere |
| 21:09.05 | captnoord | NetRipper: I think it logs it |
| 21:09.07 | captnoord | internaly |
| 21:09.09 | cr2 | 90 0x1d ARM9 low speed 0 |
| 21:09.14 | cr2 | on a call |
| 21:09.19 | captnoord | I mean, thats how I would design it......... |
| 21:09.26 | captnoord | and i'm a electronic guy |
| 21:09.54 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.59 | cr2 | that looks good |
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| 21:10.08 | NetRipper | yes but you still need to receive the current voltage to be able to calculate the percentage |
| 21:10.13 | captnoord | lol |
| 21:10.14 | captnoord | nope |
| 21:10.18 | captnoord | voltage has nothing todo with it |
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| 21:10.34 | captnoord | a battery has a certain current / h |
| 21:10.35 | captnoord | hour |
| 21:10.47 | captnoord | you remember when you buy rechargeble batteries |
| 21:10.53 | captnoord | they are marked in ranges |
| 21:10.53 | captnoord | of |
| 21:10.56 | NetRipper | yes |
| 21:10.57 | captnoord | 2000 mA/h |
| 21:11.00 | captnoord | stuff like that |
| 21:11.00 | NetRipper | of course |
| 21:11.00 | captnoord | nah |
| 21:11.06 | captnoord | that... means simply |
| 21:11.15 | captnoord | you can draw 2A from the batt in 1 hour |
| 21:11.18 | cr2 | rftx and rfrx2 on call |
| 21:11.22 | NetRipper | yes |
| 21:11.22 | captnoord | or |
| 21:11.46 | cr2 | 1d=c2 |
| 21:11.50 | captnoord | so if you know the max mA/h |
| 21:11.53 | captnoord | and you know the current |
| 21:12.00 | captnoord | you know how much the batt is charged |
| 21:12.05 | ali1234 | it's not mA/h it's mAh |
| 21:12.20 | cr2 | ali1234: Coulomb :) |
| 21:12.25 | captnoord | lol |
| 21:12.31 | captnoord | dudes don't get me started |
| 21:12.43 | captnoord | 2.8 ^12 electrons per second or somethiung |
| 21:12.48 | captnoord | I can't remember exact |
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| 21:12.59 | captnoord | ali1234it's not mA/h it's mAh |
| 21:13.00 | captnoord | NOPE |
| 21:13.02 | NetRipper | but even in that example.. let's take a photo camera in which you can put AA batteries... when you insert a battery of 2000mAh the 'battery charge indicator' works properly.. and when you insert a battery of 3500mAh it still works propery... so how does it do that? it doesn't know the mAh |
| 21:13.06 | captnoord | its mil Amp per hour |
| 21:13.17 | cr2 | captnoord: what is the electron charge ? |
| 21:13.25 | captnoord | diff of electrons |
| 21:13.31 | ali1234 | NetRipper: the voltage drops as the battery runs out |
| 21:13.40 | captnoord | one side large amount of free electrons |
| 21:13.45 | ali1234 | but different types of battery have a different curve to the drop |
| 21:13.49 | captnoord | NetRipper: its done this way on mobile phones |
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| 21:14.13 | ali1234 | that's why sometimes the gauge stays full for days then goes to empty in half an hour, while others will steadily run down |
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| 21:14.32 | captnoord | http://www.rctoys.com/images/products/extra-description-images/thunder-power-extreme-v2-lipo-discharge-chart.jpg |
| 21:14.38 | captnoord | points at picture |
| 21:14.38 | NetRipper | ali1234, yes, so it uses the voltage as base to calculate the curve |
| 21:14.58 | captnoord | only messuring the voltage won't get your charge value proper |
| 21:14.58 | ali1234 | NetRipper: the position on the curve, yes |
| 21:15.01 | captnoord | and dudes |
| 21:15.06 | captnoord | THIS IS WHAT I STUDY |
| 21:15.07 | captnoord | :P |
| 21:15.17 | captnoord | and know by heart |
| 21:15.18 | captnoord | :P |
| 21:15.20 | NetRipper | captnoord, that may be true, doesn't mean i must have blind faith ;) |
| 21:15.25 | captnoord | :D |
| 21:15.30 | NetRipper | i've been given the gift of thought :P |
| 21:15.34 | captnoord | loves NetRipper, good point |
| 21:15.35 | captnoord | :P |
| 21:15.43 | cr2 | 1c=10, 1d=c0 |
| 21:16.12 | captnoord | cr2captnoord: what is the electron charge ? |
| 21:16.28 | captnoord | on the one side you have a large amount of free electrons |
| 21:16.31 | NetRipper | ali1234, so basically, the mobile phone percentage can be calculated more reliably because the curve for the type of accu's in phones are better known? |
| 21:16.34 | captnoord | and they want to go to the other side |
| 21:16.38 | cr2 | 1.60217646 × 10-19 coulombs |
| 21:16.40 | captnoord | they don't run from + to - |
| 21:16.41 | captnoord | but |
| 21:16.45 | captnoord | from - to + |
| 21:16.54 | ali1234 | NetRipper: pretty much yes BUT the curve also changes as the battery wears out |
| 21:17.10 | captnoord | cr21.60217646 × 10-19 coulombs |
| 21:17.12 | NetRipper | alright |
| 21:17.12 | captnoord | that one yea |
| 21:17.14 | cr2 | so 1mAh is ? |
| 21:17.20 | captnoord | cr2? |
| 21:17.24 | captnoord | what do you mean? |
| 21:17.30 | captnoord | if your asking how much energie it is |
| 21:17.37 | captnoord | it depends on the time factor |
| 21:17.43 | captnoord | or |
| 21:17.45 | captnoord | damn |
| 21:17.51 | captnoord | I should remember |
| 21:17.58 | captnoord | but cant...... |
| 21:18.03 | NetRipper | so, simplifying it, a calculation between voltage + curve gives the battery percentage? |
| 21:18.04 | cr2 | 1mAh=1mC*3600s |
| 21:18.09 | ali1234 | 1mAh is 3.6 coulombs? |
| 21:18.27 | captnoord | basicly..... |
| 21:18.28 | cr2 | yes |
| 21:18.34 | ali1234 | heh |
| 21:18.39 | NetRipper | oki |
| 21:18.42 | captnoord | but coulombs is useless..... in praktisch, unless your working at intel |
| 21:18.44 | captnoord | or AMD |
| 21:18.55 | ali1234 | but it really isn't mA per hour, that makes no sense |
| 21:19.01 | captnoord | ? |
| 21:19.05 | cr2 | captnoord: it's SI standard |
| 21:19.05 | captnoord | not |
| 21:19.12 | captnoord | yea I know |
| 21:19.13 | captnoord | :P |
| 21:19.25 | captnoord | ali1234but it really isn't mA per hour, that makes no sense |
| 21:19.28 | captnoord | isn't? |
| 21:19.38 | ali1234 | right |
| 21:19.53 | ali1234 | mAh is a capacity |
| 21:19.56 | captnoord | so enlight me then? |
| 21:20.02 | captnoord | and what is capacity? |
| 21:20.05 | cr2 | mA is mC/s |
| 21:20.17 | cr2 | not capacity but charge |
| 21:20.26 | cr2 | capacity is a different thing |
| 21:20.26 | captnoord | yup |
| 21:20.38 | ali1234 | ok ok :) |
| 21:20.44 | captnoord | thats more how much peanuts can go into my mouth |
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| 21:20.50 | captnoord | and the ma/h thingy..... |
| 21:20.55 | captnoord | even if you don't believe it |
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| 21:21.04 | cr2 | ma/h does not make any sense |
| 21:21.12 | ali1234 | but batteries are not rated in mA/h but mAh which is different |
| 21:21.31 | cr2 | ali1234: yes. mAh is coulomb :) |
| 21:21.42 | ali1234 | mAh as in, the battery will run out in 1 hour if you draw this many milliamps, or this many hours if you draw 1mA |
| 21:21.56 | captnoord | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-hour |
| 21:21.57 | captnoord | dump |
| 21:22.11 | captnoord | lol |
| 21:22.36 | cr2 | hm. why arm9 low speed needs a parameter ?? |
| 21:22.59 | captnoord | ok, the reason why I write mA/h is because I can do.......... 2000 mA / (0.5 * 1 hour ) |
| 21:23.01 | captnoord | is |
| 21:23.02 | captnoord | 4000 |
| 21:23.04 | captnoord | :P |
| 21:23.10 | captnoord | I can draw 4 A |
| 21:23.15 | captnoord | in 30 minutes |
| 21:23.22 | captnoord | stops |
| 21:23.28 | ali1234 | right because mAh/h = mA |
| 21:23.49 | captnoord | nope it doesn't have a dimention |
| 21:23.56 | captnoord | because you devide A / T |
| 21:23.58 | captnoord | t |
| 21:23.59 | ali1234 | 2000mAh / 0.5 h = 4000 mA |
| 21:24.11 | captnoord | if I divide apples with peatches |
| 21:24.24 | ali1234 | you get apples per peach |
| 21:24.26 | captnoord | I get a "divide by zero" exception |
| 21:24.29 | captnoord | typ |
| 21:24.31 | captnoord | yu[p |
| 21:24.33 | captnoord | yup |
| 21:24.44 | cr2 | need to check the vogue code. |
| 21:24.49 | captnoord | shuts up, as I am spamming this channel to much and should keep coding......... |
| 21:27.37 | cr2 | 0x19 set audio path 1 |
| 21:28.41 | cr2 | but i see 1c update audio |
| 21:29.32 | captnoord | cr2hm. why arm9 low speed needs a parameter ?? |
| 21:29.37 | captnoord | PLL table selection? |
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| 21:32.24 | captnoord | http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:9N9sE3SNE_8J:www.st.com/stonline/products/support/micro/files/hitex_str912.pdf+arm9+pdf&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=nl&client=firefox-a |
| 21:32.30 | captnoord | arm9 has 3 low power moves |
| 21:32.33 | captnoord | modes* |
| 21:32.51 | captnoord | section 3.8.8 Low Power Modes |
| 21:33.01 | captnoord | before you tell me its a diff chip |
| 21:33.02 | Marajin | 'lo |
| 21:33.02 | captnoord | I know |
| 21:33.15 | captnoord | but arm stuff are universal defined spec's |
| 21:34.52 | Marajin | having fun captnoord ? |
| 21:35.03 | Marajin | hehs at the mAh argument |
| 21:35.35 | captnoord | hmm..... kinda...... |
| 21:35.45 | captnoord | you won't scare me away easy |
| 21:35.46 | captnoord | :P |
| 21:35.50 | captnoord | how hard you try |
| 21:35.56 | captnoord | hehe |
| 21:36.46 | cr2 | 0x84 Set RTC Alarm to arm9 |
| 21:37.18 | Marajin | captnoord: I don't even know what you're talking about now |
| 21:37.44 | AstainHasPS3 | yay I am home again |
| 21:37.52 | Marajin | hey AstainHasPS3 |
| 21:38.05 | Marajin | regretted the PS3 yet? :P |
| 21:38.06 | captnoord | who me? |
| 21:38.14 | AstainHasPS3 | nope 0 regrets |
| 21:38.25 | Marajin | Give it time.. heh :P |
| 21:38.31 | AstainHasPS3 | doubt it |
| 21:38.33 | AstainHasPS3 | I love this thing |
| 21:38.37 | Marajin | depends what you bought it for |
| 21:38.42 | AstainHasPS3 | $200 |
| 21:38.46 | AstainHasPS3 | with a 300gb hdd |
| 21:38.54 | Marajin | no, I mean what /purpose/ you bought it for, not how much |
| 21:39.01 | AstainHasPS3 | and its the software backwards compatible model |
| 21:39.12 | AstainHasPS3 | playing games watching blueray/divx |
| 21:39.14 | AstainHasPS3 | enjoying |
| 21:39.32 | Marajin | it's decent for raw media but is a bit of a headache for games, IMO |
| 21:40.02 | Marajin | but it is just opinion of course, so I hope you do get all you want from it |
| 21:40.13 | AstainHasPS3 | yah so far its great |
| 21:40.19 | AstainHasPS3 | got folklore and love that game |
| 21:40.28 | Marajin | what wories me is the small decent game catalogue |
| 21:40.31 | Marajin | and the online service |
| 21:40.40 | Marajin | and the fact it's evidentally a bitch to code for |
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| 21:41.23 | Marajin | it's ironically an excellent choice for a bluray player though, as it does a better job than half the dedicated players while generally actually being cheaper nowadays |
| 21:41.53 | AstainHasPS3 | yep great blueray and easy upgrade and even the ps home thing is pretty cool |
| 21:42.25 | Marajin | personally that has 0 value to me though, as I just use mpeg4 based files for my HD programming |
| 21:43.23 | Marajin | since there's two 1080p capable screens sat on my desk anyway, it works for me |
| 21:43.29 | glyph | AstainHasPS3: got linux on it yet? :) |
| 21:43.31 | AstainHasPS3 | hell I dont even have a hd tv |
| 21:43.48 | AstainHasPS3 | glyph started on it but I guess ubunutu doesn't like reiserfs |
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| 21:44.03 | Marajin | heh |
| 21:44.06 | glyph | Eww |
| 21:44.09 | Marajin | yeah, down with wife killing filesystems! |
| 21:44.12 | glyph | You have to use reiser to install on PS3? |
| 21:44.18 | AstainHasPS3 | no glyph |
| 21:44.24 | AstainHasPS3 | ext3 was there as well as jfs xfs |
| 21:44.24 | glyph | AstainHasPS3: Oh okay |
| 21:44.30 | AstainHasPS3 | I chose reiser |
| 21:44.30 | glyph | AstainHasPS3: well don't :) |
| 21:44.34 | glyph | reiser is a bad filesystem |
| 21:44.46 | AstainHasPS3 | yah when it didnt boot I was like hmm guess shoulda done ext3 |
| 21:44.49 | Marajin | reiser only makes sense for many tiny files, AFAIK |
| 21:44.54 | glyph | regardless of the fact that it causes you to go crazy and kill everyone you love, its metadata structure has a lot of really messed up failure modes |
| 21:45.01 | captnoord | http://www.linux-watch.com/files/misc/nina_reiser-thm.jpg |
| 21:45.21 | Marajin | heh |
| 21:45.25 | Marajin | flattering photo.. |
| 21:45.44 | captnoord | hmmm |
| 21:46.40 | Marajin | (hint: that was british sarcasm, sorry, I can't help it) |
| 21:48.19 | captnoord | Marajin: I was kinda into that zone to....... but I didn't want to push it |
| 21:48.39 | captnoord | as killing people is not really the kind of things that will get you tons of money |
| 21:48.55 | captnoord | or make people happy and stuff |
| 21:50.12 | Marajin | well, I abhorr what he did, I'm just saying that is a bad photo because it doesn't exactly make her look pretty |
| 21:51.06 | captnoord | I think its foolish to kill....... it won't solve anything..... |
| 21:51.53 | Marajin | I don't think it's foolish to kill in self defense when other options are exhausted |
| 21:52.24 | captnoord | I was not talking about exceptions |
| 21:52.24 | Marajin | ya know, where it's 'kill or be killed' |
| 21:52.34 | captnoord | hehe.... like .... you mean |
| 21:52.36 | Marajin | well then, otherwise I agree with you |
| 21:52.36 | captnoord | in this channel? |
| 21:52.37 | captnoord | :P |
| 21:52.50 | Marajin | We're not a bunch of homicidal raging maniacs! |
| 21:52.59 | Marajin | I mean I know I'm a redhead but I've never killed anyone |
| 21:53.06 | Marajin | the stabbings were a coincidence I tell ya! |
| 21:53.10 | Marajin | shifty-eyes. |
| 21:53.15 | captnoord | hehehehehehehe |
| 21:53.22 | ali1234 | freenode is probably the most chilled irc network there is |
| 21:53.47 | captnoord | rips Marajin's foodoo doll out of his hands...... |
| 21:54.25 | Marajin | hey, I need that for code-fu! |
| 21:54.38 | Marajin | hey ali1234, by the way |
| 21:55.08 | captnoord | http://www.codefu.com.mk/files/poster/2008/Codefu2008.jpg |
| 21:55.10 | captnoord | code fu? |
| 21:55.15 | captnoord | damn i'm in a googling mood |
| 21:55.51 | ali1234 | it's funny cos java coding makes me want to smash my keyboard too |
| 21:56.17 | captnoord | I have that with vb script |
| 21:56.22 | captnoord | I don't know java |
| 21:56.26 | captnoord | thank god..... |
| 21:56.32 | ali1234 | vb script is much worse |
| 21:56.42 | ali1234 | but i would never attempt it so i never had that problem |
| 21:56.50 | Marajin | you've not heard of the old habit of tacking -fu on the end of something to imply great skill by connotations of kung fu? |
| 21:56.59 | Marajin | like being good at using google is called having 'google fu' |
| 21:57.50 | Marajin | the matrix would have been so much different... |
| 21:58.01 | Marajin | 'I know google-fu!' |
| 21:58.16 | Marajin | neo would have just googled how to become the one |
| 21:58.37 | ali1234 | he pretty much did |
| 21:58.45 | Marajin | well yeah |
| 21:58.48 | ali1234 | remember the scene where they upload knowledge directly to his brain? |
| 21:58.51 | NetRipper | operator, give me google skillz |
| 21:58.58 | Marajin | well that was more wikipedia ;) |
| 21:59.21 | Marajin | man... can you imagine what kinda idiot you'd make if you just uploaded wikipedia into their head? |
| 21:59.31 | NetRipper | lol |
| 21:59.36 | Marajin | me, I'm cruel, I'd use encyclopedia dramatica instead :P |
| 21:59.43 | ali1234 | imagine if it was the ENTIRE internet |
| 22:00.11 | ali1234 | i think it would be a good plot for a movie |
| 22:00.11 | Marajin | BIG WARNING, if you dunno what encyclopedia dramatica is, be warned it's not safe for work, or the weak of stomach/heart |
| 22:00.24 | NetRipper | hm, that makes me want to look |
| 22:00.46 | Marajin | ali1234: what? Neo runs in a path with a toaster while holding scissors and humping a goat? |
| 22:00.49 | Marajin | *bath |
| 22:01.10 | Marajin | with the lemonparty photo stuck to the back perhaps? |
| 22:01.16 | ali1234 | well no, the person who got the ENTIRE internet uploaded to his brain would be the bad guy, and completely insane for obvious reasons |
| 22:01.20 | captnoord | whispers, "follow the white goat" |
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| 22:05.00 | Marajin | d'ya think neo would be the reciever? |
| 22:06.56 | NetRipper | Marajin, gross |
| 22:15.55 | NetRipper | if everyone in xda-devs would just watch this http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting |
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| 22:16.19 | NetRipper | for the noobs i mean |
| 22:17.05 | Marajin | is that the grammar one? |
| 22:17.08 | NetRipper | no |
| 22:17.12 | NetRipper | it's the 'useless posts' one |
| 22:17.26 | NetRipper | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3355455#post3355455 |
| 22:17.30 | dcordes | ali1234: still around? |
| 22:17.36 | NetRipper | im waiting for someone to respond to that post |
| 22:17.42 | Marajin | yeah, useless conversation is what irc is for |
| 22:17.46 | ali1234 | yeah i'm stil here |
| 22:17.54 | dcordes | wrong dude sorry |
| 22:18.02 | dcordes | tmzt: ping |
| 22:20.45 | Marajin | well, to be fair the diamond and raph are pretty similar, no? |
| 22:21.34 | NetRipper | Marajin, yes, but that poster is basically saying "go away raphael developers, go to your own forum and leave us" |
| 22:21.47 | NetRipper | basically not noticing there are not many diam developers active (if any) |
| 22:23.54 | cr2 | NetRipper: tracing bt |
| 22:24.00 | Marajin | well most people said '...sod that, give me a keyboard!' when the diamond came out |
| 22:24.11 | Marajin | I wouldn't buy a diamond, I would buy a raph |
| 22:24.28 | NetRipper | Marajin, are we talking about that post now? |
| 22:24.29 | NetRipper | :) |
| 22:24.33 | NetRipper | i dont follow |
| 22:24.36 | Marajin | heh |
| 22:24.57 | captnoord | lol |
| 22:25.00 | Marajin | I'm saying there wouldn't be many diamond developers becuase most people who are technical enough to BE a diamond developer, would refuse to buy a diamond in preference of the raphael |
| 22:25.04 | cr2 | Marajin: diam does not have microSD and tvout |
| 22:25.05 | NetRipper | im just saying im offended by a post like that |
| 22:25.05 | NetRipper | :) |
| 22:25.15 | NetRipper | ah yes, that's right |
| 22:25.15 | Marajin | cr2: good point |
| 22:25.45 | Marajin | also, as cr2 says, also no SD card and tvout, so the raph is just plain necessary choice for the more technical users |
| 22:25.50 | cr2 | not only the kyeyboard |
| 22:26.26 | Marajin | I keep forgetting it lacks the microSD slot. My mind doesn't want to believe they'd do such a thing |
| 22:26.49 | Marajin | I mean they saved what, a few cents on the production cost? :P |
| 22:26.49 | cr2 | i did not know about the tvout, but the SD made my decision |
| 22:26.59 | cr2 | although diam is uch cheaper |
| 22:27.07 | cr2 | yeah |
| 22:27.15 | cr2 | by not wiring the tvout |
| 22:28.15 | Marajin | the SD can't cost much either |
| 22:28.29 | cr2 | the sd slot itself ;) |
| 22:28.40 | Marajin | exactly |
| 22:28.43 | cr2 | it's about marketing |
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| 22:29.07 | Marajin | I know but they sold say.. polaris vs kaiser on the keyboard alone rpetty much, yeah? |
| 22:29.11 | Marajin | *pretty |
| 22:29.37 | cr2 | yeah |
| 22:30.31 | cr2 | maejrep[w]: i trace 0x03ff9b / 0xff930b5c for uart2DM MD/NS |
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| 22:31.18 | oliwan | hi all, quick quesion. Can anyone here boot into android on raph/diam WITHOUT activesync? |
| 22:32.10 | cr2 | MD=0x3ff9b NS=0xff9e0b5c M=r1=0x3 N=r2=0x64 d=r3=0x32 s0=r4=0x3 s1=r5=0x2 s2=r6=0x4 s3=r7=0xb (-0xa) |
| 22:32.22 | dcordes | oliwan: into linux? you mean with working usbnet? or booting in general? |
| 22:32.41 | cr2 | 3,64,32,3,2,4,1 |
| 22:32.49 | oliwan | dcordes, i mean booting into android in general. |
| 22:33.05 | cr2 | old one |
| 22:33.09 | cr2 | MD=0x2ff37 NS=0xff390b59 M=r1=0x2 N=r2=0xc8 d=r3=0x64 s0=r4=0x3 s1=r5=0x2 s2=r6=0x1 s3=r7=0xb (-0xa) |
| 22:33.26 | cr2 | 2,c8,64,3,2,1,1 |
| 22:34.09 | dcordes | oliwan: I don't know how (not) running activesync at boottime can influence android |
| 22:34.25 | oliwan | thing is i've compiled in the RPC into the kernel and now it boots straigt in without the need for the usb plugged in. |
| 22:34.28 | NetRipper | oliwan, no, usb must be in activesync mode, and the cable must be plugged in... one exception is that you can boot without usb cable if you soft-reset your device and start linux WITHOUT having an usb cable connected |
| 22:35.16 | NetRipper | so between soft-reset and starting haret and running linux, you never connected the usb cable |
| 22:35.23 | NetRipper | then it works without usb cable |
| 22:35.38 | oliwan | right |
| 22:35.56 | oliwan | so if i put it in disk mode then it will break |
| 22:36.01 | NetRipper | yes |
| 22:36.25 | oliwan | right, i'll give it a go. Cheers guys. |
| 22:36.36 | NetRipper | :) |
| 22:36.36 | captnoord | lol |
| 22:36.41 | captnoord | points at forum and wiki |
| 22:37.21 | oliwan | is that reali in the wiki? |
| 22:37.48 | captnoord | you haven't read the wiki? |
| 22:38.13 | NetRipper | it should be in the FAQ |
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| 22:38.48 | ne555 | hmm pitty he is gone |
| 22:38.59 | oliwan | have read it. but was a bit different |
| 22:39.07 | ne555 | I wanted to ask him if he was a sync or async multi fibrator.... |
| 22:40.00 | NetRipper | dont worry oliwan, FAQ mostly describes how to not get into boot trouble.. while you question was how to get boot trouble:P |
| 22:42.14 | oliwan | thanks netripper. |
| 22:44.57 | cr2 | MD=0x3ff9b NS=0xff9e0b78 M=r1=0x3 N=r2=0x64 d=r3=0x32 s0=r4=0x3 s1=r5=0x3 s2=r6=0x0 s3=r7=0xb (-0xa) |
| 22:45.00 | cr2 | this is wifi |
| 22:45.25 | cr2 | 3,64,32,3,3,0,1 |
| 22:45.39 | cr2 | ok, it's 144kHz |
| 22:47.06 | cr2 | heh. crashed |
| 22:47.16 | dcordes | mickey|bbl: http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/builds/kernel/raphael/zImage-htcraphael-20092002-01 |
| 22:48.02 | cr2 | dcordes: what about creating the non-android defconfig ? |
| 22:48.32 | cr2 | for raph |
| 22:49.44 | NetRipper | i think dcordes compiles with the refresh thread enabled |
| 22:49.48 | NetRipper | so it's for non-android use |
| 22:49.52 | dcordes | correct |
| 22:50.09 | dcordes | cr2: you mean also putting it in the branch? |
| 22:50.34 | NetRipper | oh |
| 22:54.34 | cr2 | NetRipper: with second sdram bank #ifdef android |
| 22:54.45 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.57 | NetRipper | it's not just android |
| 22:55.05 | NetRipper | there are devices that dont have the second memory bank |
| 22:55.16 | cr2 | raph ? |
| 22:55.20 | NetRipper | yes |
| 22:55.20 | cr2 | MD=0x1fff4 NS=0xfff50b44 M=r1=0x1 N=r2=0xb d=r3=0x5 s0=r4=0x0 s1=r5=0x2 s2=r6=0x4 s3=r7=0xb (-0xa) |
| 22:55.27 | cr2 | this is for wifi too |
| 22:55.34 | NetRipper | raph300 i believe |
| 22:55.45 | cr2 | 1,b,5,0,2,4,1 |
| 22:56.32 | cr2 | b,5 is strange |
| 22:57.44 | cr2 | should be a,5 |
| 22:58.17 | NetRipper | hm im not sure which raphael had less memory now |
| 22:59.22 | dcordes | kovsky has a second memory map too? |
| 22:59.50 | cr2 | NetRipper: and i'd like to enable nand. |
| 23:00.07 | NetRipper | cr2, be my guest :) |
| 23:00.10 | cr2 | NetRipper: the android users should be kept away then ;) |
| 23:00.30 | NetRipper | hm dcordes, X1 has 128mb ram? |
| 23:00.31 | cr2 | NetRipper: i need to define the partition size |
| 23:00.48 | AstainHasPS3 | cr2 the raph500 had less mem |
| 23:01.10 | NetRipper | AstainHasPS3, which operator is the raph500 from? |
| 23:01.13 | NetRipper | verizon? |
| 23:01.22 | AstainHasPS3 | yes NetRipper |
| 23:02.00 | NetRipper | when i google for verizon and raphael i get specs saying 256mb |
| 23:02.10 | NetRipper | conflicting messages |
| 23:02.28 | cr2 | NetRipper: ok, but we should not suffer because htere are some shitty devices around. |
| 23:02.49 | NetRipper | hm |
| 23:02.55 | NetRipper | AstainHasPS3, ignore me :) |
| 23:03.01 | NetRipper | cr2, true |
| 23:03.06 | NetRipper | cr2, which is why i want to add a kernel parameter |
| 23:03.09 | schteve | I have one of those - the device hardware tab says 192MB |
| 23:03.10 | NetRipper | to enable the 2nd memory bank |
| 23:03.19 | schteve | RAM size that is |
| 23:03.34 | cr2 | schteve: raph500 ? |
| 23:03.36 | NetRipper | schteve, ok |
| 23:03.51 | cr2 | NetRipper: the sapphire board deals with 32 vs 64 MB SRAM |
| 23:04.00 | NetRipper | cr2, nice |
| 23:04.01 | cr2 | NetRipper: by an ATAG |
| 23:04.05 | schteve | cr2: I believe so - it's from verizon |
| 23:04.06 | NetRipper | cr2, oh |
| 23:04.14 | cr2 | but i think it's really a NAND param. |
| 23:04.26 | NetRipper | cr2, yes could be, spl reads nand and passes it on boot |
| 23:04.31 | schteve | cr2: just checked identity tab: confirmed RAPH500 |
| 23:04.38 | NetRipper | as linux kernel can't read nand at that point yet |
| 23:04.44 | cr2 | because the spl is capable to access this partition by some magic |
| 23:05.00 | cr2 | but then we should be able too |
| 23:05.12 | cr2 | because spl is also behind the oemsbl |
| 23:05.14 | NetRipper | cr2, yes haret could pass it as a tag.. but we'd need to configure haret |
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| 23:05.26 | cr2 | unless wince kernel sets the mpu itself. but i doubt it. |
| 23:05.31 | NetRipper | but i dislike depending on haret for passing information |
| 23:06.05 | cr2 | i think that passing the wifi eeprom in atag is a silly thing too |
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| 23:07.23 | cr2 | HaRET(1)# addr2mod 0x7809a2e0 |
| 23:07.25 | cr2 | Address 7809a2e0 not process specific |
| 23:07.26 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.28 | cr2 | ok |
| 23:10.25 | cr2 | schteve: you use raph800 config ? |
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| 23:16.41 | cr2 | uh, scary. |
| 23:16.46 | cr2 | it's all hardcoded. |
| 23:17.06 | schteve | cr2: tried it - got funky colors, latest build doesn't boot |
| 23:17.29 | cr2 | ok |
| 23:17.33 | schteve | cr2: sdcard doesn't mount |
| 23:17.52 | cr2 | this is strange |
| 23:18.14 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MSM_SDIO |
| 23:18.32 | cr2 | ok, maybe you use the raph100 ? |
| 23:18.45 | cr2 | NetRipper: how do you deal with raph500 ? |
| 23:19.04 | NetRipper | raph500 is CDMA.. so use the raph800 mtype |
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| 23:19.20 | NetRipper | not sure about differences between raph500a ndraph800 though |
| 23:19.36 | cr2 | schteve: you set the raph800 mtype ? |
| 23:19.46 | cr2 | NetRipper: less ram, maybe no second cam |
| 23:20.00 | cr2 | NetRipper: hm, but 800 does not have second cam too |
| 23:20.01 | schteve | cr2: MTYPE 1910 |
| 23:20.02 | NetRipper | basically we just support raph100 and raph800.. every other device is nice to have, including diamonds :p |
| 23:20.11 | cr2 | lol ;) |
| 23:20.13 | NetRipper | schteve, use the raph800 one |
| 23:20.17 | schteve | NetRipper: say it ain't so!! |
| 23:20.34 | cr2 | schteve: 500=800 |
| 23:20.51 | cr2 | schteve: a cheap veriant of 800 :) |
| 23:21.03 | schteve | cr2: msm7500 vs 7501a doesn't matter? |
| 23:21.15 | NetRipper | schteve, the devs in here either have a raph100 or a raph800.. so that's what we're developing against.. we cant verify everything with each device |
| 23:21.23 | cr2 | schteve: you have 7501A |
| 23:21.26 | NetRipper | oh |
| 23:21.27 | NetRipper | wait |
| 23:21.28 | cr2 | 7500A |
| 23:21.49 | cr2 | but this '1' does not matter |
| 23:21.55 | NetRipper | no i think schteve is right, didn't raph500 have the old non-a chipset? |
| 23:21.57 | cr2 | only 'A' matters |
| 23:22.08 | cr2 | NetRipper: no. |
| 23:22.21 | NetRipper | ok, you sound sure so |
| 23:22.21 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 23:22.30 | schteve | yup you're right it's 7500A - sry |
| 23:22.30 | cr2 | somebody has written that touch pro2 will have non-A cpu |
| 23:22.41 | NetRipper | that was me |
| 23:22.44 | cr2 | i've checked on the htc site, this is of course wrong. |
| 23:22.46 | NetRipper | a dutch article said that |
| 23:22.50 | NetRipper | ok |
| 23:24.18 | cr2 | NetRipper: now i know where the magic vogue sd clocks come from ;) |
| 23:24.33 | cr2 | NetRipper: it's the same on raph |
| 23:24.42 | NetRipper | so where do they come from |
| 23:25.02 | cr2 | hardcoded 'as is' in the driver ) |
| 23:25.11 | cr2 | so much for the wince coding quality. |
| 23:25.12 | NetRipper | aha |
| 23:25.27 | NetRipper | you actually expected quality? |
| 23:25.31 | cr2 | LOL |
| 23:25.47 | cr2 | it's just hacked together working code |
| 23:25.52 | cr2 | just like g1 ;) |
| 23:25.59 | NetRipper | i wouldnt be surprised if qualcomm just gave it like that |
| 23:26.02 | cr2 | or moto a780 |
| 23:26.14 | cr2 | they have the docs |
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| 23:26.17 | NetRipper | "do it like this, we dont want to give too much inside info" |
| 23:26.21 | cr2 | and the spl people do it right |
| 23:26.25 | NetRipper | ok |
| 23:26.39 | AstainHasPS3 | cr2 and NetRipper also raph500 has the 7500a proc |
| 23:26.49 | cr2 | but it's funny that the spl @htc is done by different people . |
| 23:27.07 | cr2 | than some low life wince developerz |
| 23:27.36 | cr2 | AstainHasPS3: yes, i've told that to NetRipper |
| 23:28.13 | NetRipper | cr2, as i understood there are levels of clearance within the qualcomm company.. perhaps the spl writers have higher clearance than wince driver writers |
| 23:28.16 | NetRipper | :) |
| 23:28.21 | AstainHasPS3 | ok just scrolled back and wasn't sure it if that was noticed |
| 23:28.48 | AstainHasPS3 | oh and smem amounts are diff between the ofcourse |
| 23:28.57 | cr2 | NetRipper: maybe. the spl people are more qualified, that's true :) |
| 23:30.20 | NetRipper | what is a proper AT command? |
| 23:30.24 | NetRipper | to test? |
| 23:30.28 | AstainHasPS3 | atz |
| 23:30.42 | cr2 | ate1 |
| 23:30.51 | captnoord | then its even worse than I expected "its a real company" |
| 23:30.51 | captnoord | :P |
| 23:31.54 | cr2 | captnoord: the people on deadlines write all kinds of shitty code |
| 23:31.54 | NetRipper | +COPS sounds scarry |
| 23:32.14 | NetRipper | man this laptop keyboard sucks |
| 23:32.23 | dcordes | it's not related with emergency calls :) |
| 23:32.25 | captnoord | yea I know...... |
| 23:32.36 | captnoord | as long as it gets done |
| 23:32.36 | NetRipper | dcordes, glad ;) |
| 23:32.50 | NetRipper | also funny to see the name of an extinct operator |
| 23:32.50 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 23:32.56 | cr2 | awk '{print 0x1e8480}' |
| 23:32.57 | NetRipper | +COPS: 0,0,"Ben Netherlands ",4 |
| 23:32.58 | cr2 | 2000000 |
| 23:33.27 | NetRipper | [WCDMA] WAKEUP PDA: U(),T(),R(DS) |
| 23:33.30 | NetRipper | WCDMA?? |
| 23:33.53 | captnoord | 3g |
| 23:33.54 | cr2 | =umts |
| 23:33.54 | AstainHasPS3 | wcmda == gsm 3g |
| 23:33.55 | captnoord | umts |
| 23:33.57 | NetRipper | ok |
| 23:33.59 | NetRipper | lol |
| 23:34.02 | captnoord | lol |
| 23:34.29 | dcordes | NetRipper: I've been using this table for reference http://gatling.ikk.sztaki.hu/~kissg/gsm/at+c.html |
| 23:35.31 | glyph | do you guys think there are enough acronyms for UMTS? |
| 23:35.32 | cr2 | dcordes: outdated |
| 23:35.52 | glyph | WCDMA/3G/GPRS(3G)/UMTS/HSPDA/HSPUA |
| 23:36.10 | glyph | Maybe we could start calling it "WIGGLES" and pretend that's an acronym for something? That at least you can pronounce. |
| 23:36.28 | NetRipper | heh |
| 23:36.54 | NetRipper | dcordes, ok, doesn't list HTC, which .txt relates to htc devices? |
| 23:37.44 | NetRipper | ah |
| 23:37.45 | NetRipper | i see |
| 23:37.50 | NetRipper | for the receiving commands |
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| 23:38.40 | cr2 | awk '{print 0x121eac0}' |
| 23:38.41 | cr2 | 19000000 |
| 23:39.00 | captnoord | cr2 hardcoded shit? |
| 23:39.48 | dcordes | NetRipper: I put some of the new htc proprietary commands in the wiki |
| 23:41.15 | dcordes | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_GSM |
| 23:42.41 | cr2 | dcordes: hh.org should be better (athena list) |
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| 23:44.27 | NetRipper | dcordes, ok |
| 23:44.45 | NetRipper | firefox is trying to 'save as' that page |
| 23:45.57 | dcordes | do you think it's the size problem? |
| 23:46.10 | dcordes | epiphany displays a blank page |
| 23:46.38 | cr2 | NetRipper: the page is too big |
| 23:47.14 | cr2 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_25GSM |
| 23:50.52 | NetRipper | what a lot of commands |
| 23:51.08 | tmzt | cr2: have you seen ali1234's work on omap850 gsm? |
| 23:51.46 | cr2 | no |
| 23:51.54 | cr2 | i don't have omap850 |
| 23:51.59 | cr2 | he has arte ? |
| 23:52.31 | cr2 | NetRipper: wince uses different clock source for 19MHz for wifi |
| 23:52.51 | cr2 | NetRipper: so we should adjust the clk api code ;) |
| 23:54.06 | cr2 | if the vogue SD clk table matches the 7par formula, |
| 23:54.25 | cr2 | here we have different table, and different frequences. |
| 23:54.54 | *** join/#htc-linux BHSPitMonkey (n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) |
| 23:55.41 | cr2 | NetRipper: i think we have no other way, but to follow wince. |
| 23:56.06 | NetRipper | i suppose wince is leading yes |
| 23:56.25 | cr2 | it has an advantage that it works ;) |
| 23:57.01 | cr2 | probably i should document the wifi clck table |
| 23:57.18 | dcordes | cr2: ginge had a clocktable for sdio wifi |
