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| 00:06.45 | captnoord | cheers |
| 00:06.58 | captnoord | unix timestamp touched 1234567890 |
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| 00:29.12 | maejrep | cr2: a new original idea? |
| 00:29.24 | maejrep | does it involve drastically changing code? :) |
| 00:29.54 | captnoord | votes for overhoaling ode |
| 00:29.56 | captnoord | code* |
| 00:29.56 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:32.34 | maejrep | what device do you have? |
| 00:32.47 | captnoord | me? |
| 00:32.52 | captnoord | rafael 100 |
| 00:32.56 | maejrep | ah |
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| 00:35.27 | maejrep | I really wish git-pull would just let files conflict and let me resolve those conflicts.. that's one thing I like about svn |
| 00:37.05 | captnoord | nothing is perfect |
| 00:40.40 | captnoord | k build my first windows mobile app |
| 00:40.40 | captnoord | damn |
| 00:40.41 | captnoord | shit |
| 00:40.47 | captnoord | I should really help you guys |
| 00:40.59 | captnoord | and quit giving ms a chance |
| 00:43.51 | melgurth | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3320519&postcount=9 nice first day of work :) |
| 00:44.37 | captnoord | nice nice |
| 00:44.51 | captnoord | you should use a spelling control |
| 00:44.56 | captnoord | not to be ofending |
| 00:45.00 | captnoord | offending* |
| 00:47.48 | calamari | know of any verizon phones with a physical qwerty that currently work with linux? |
| 00:48.13 | calamari | looking at the xv6800 I think maybe android works on it, but it is discontinued |
| 00:48.29 | captnoord | wiki |
| 00:48.31 | captnoord | read the wiki |
| 00:48.33 | captnoord | or the forum |
| 00:53.46 | calamari | I guess that's a no? |
| 00:54.02 | captnoord | nope |
| 00:54.05 | captnoord | there are devices |
| 00:54.09 | calamari | ok |
| 00:54.12 | captnoord | I have come across them |
| 00:54.17 | captnoord | but the info your search |
| 00:54.22 | captnoord | searching |
| 00:54.27 | captnoord | is clearly documented into the wiki |
| 00:54.28 | captnoord | so |
| 00:54.33 | captnoord | instead of asking here |
| 00:54.37 | captnoord | you can read |
| 00:54.37 | cr2 | maejrep: forget it. it was some code in spl that is not used and is probably staying there since kaiser |
| 00:54.40 | calamari | hrm, I guess I am not looking in the right place |
| 00:55.10 | cr2 | maejrep: i've added about one half of the epson regs initialized by spl to wiki |
| 00:56.51 | maejrep | nice |
| 00:56.56 | cr2 | maejrep: the usb client init is different from g1/raph100 on rap800/blac100, but i think NetRipper will fix it :) |
| 00:57.24 | maejrep | i'm still trying to find a non-destructive way to merge NetRipper's latest commits :/ |
| 00:57.42 | captnoord | maejrep: ... evil idea |
| 00:57.47 | captnoord | use the git-svn plugin |
| 00:57.48 | captnoord | :P |
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| 00:58.14 | captnoord | nah |
| 00:58.21 | captnoord | i'll should goto bed |
| 00:58.23 | captnoord | nn all |
| 01:03.34 | cr2 | maejrep: //TODO: read some r4=*unk_9a2a16d0 ??? |
| 01:03.47 | maejrep | heh |
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| 01:04.05 | maejrep | just noting that we don't know what address it's reading from |
| 01:04.23 | maejrep | at least, I don't |
| 01:04.25 | cr2 | it's the epson=1 |
| 01:04.57 | cr2 | which is initialized as 1, and i don't see any code that changes it. |
| 01:05.10 | calamari | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 01:05.14 | calamari | ^^^ this is a good page |
| 01:05.23 | maejrep | it's also not kept up to date afaik |
| 01:05.34 | maejrep | cr2: how do you tell where that is |
| 01:06.31 | cr2 | maejrep: just a static variable . |
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| 01:06.58 | cr2 | maejrep: i've renamed it as "isEPSON774" |
| 01:07.08 | maejrep | ah |
| 01:07.32 | maejrep | but the conditions of that variable don't seem to be for epson? |
| 01:07.46 | cr2 | why ? |
| 01:07.52 | maejrep | its like, if set, then sleep 1 ms |
| 01:08.02 | cr2 | 500 |
| 01:08.21 | calamari | it looks like the apache would work.. anyone have one? |
| 01:08.27 | cr2 | but the other cases make more sense |
| 01:08.36 | maejrep | calamari: apache is 6700 i think |
| 01:08.39 | calamari | yeah |
| 01:08.50 | maejrep | you said vzw's 6800 was discontinued |
| 01:08.55 | calamari | of course it says charging doesn't work lol |
| 01:08.57 | cr2 | calamari: does the cdma modem work ? |
| 01:09.21 | calamari | CMDA-module? no |
| 01:09.27 | cr2 | charging is probably 2 gpios |
| 01:09.49 | maejrep | i think it is |
| 01:09.51 | calamari | what's a gpio? |
| 01:09.54 | maejrep | titan is supported by vogue branch |
| 01:09.58 | cr2 | so what's the use of it if the phone does not work. |
| 01:09.59 | maejrep | or starting to be supported |
| 01:10.14 | calamari | oh, so I wouldn't be able to talk on the phone? |
| 01:10.37 | maejrep | right ;) |
| 01:10.42 | calamari | yeah that'd be a problem hehe |
| 01:10.53 | melgurth | guys - I have question. all day I've been fighting with key mappings on I780. and I've done it ... partially ;) |
| 01:11.27 | melgurth | all letter keys are working in kernel, but what about alt-keys? |
| 01:11.32 | calamari | you have linux on an i780? |
| 01:11.39 | maejrep | Want to pull, have uncommitted changes |
| 01:11.39 | maejrep | git-stash |
| 01:11.39 | maejrep | git-pull |
| 01:11.39 | maejrep | git-stash apply |
| 01:11.41 | melgurth | yes |
| 01:11.41 | maejrep | aha! |
| 01:11.54 | calamari | sweet! |
| 01:12.11 | cr2 | maejrep: you have hitachi lcd ? |
| 01:12.12 | maejrep | melgurth: alt-keys have to be handled by the input subsystem |
| 01:12.19 | calamari | I don't see that one on the list |
| 01:12.21 | maejrep | cr2: that's what spl "display 2" shows |
| 01:12.26 | cr2 | ok |
| 01:12.45 | cr2 | and what value is reported by the epson gpio ? |
| 01:12.50 | melgurth | can you point me to some article or sth? |
| 01:13.02 | maejrep | which gpio is that? |
| 01:13.17 | calamari | melgurth: do you have more info that I could work off of to put linux on the i780? |
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| 01:14.01 | cr2 | maejrep: the mddi_remote_read of epson gpio register |
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| 01:14.31 | maejrep | oh |
| 01:14.41 | maejrep | 0x2 |
| 01:15.13 | cr2 | which is translated to 1 ? |
| 01:15.36 | maejrep | to 5 |
| 01:17.34 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 01:19.10 | cr2 | 5 is translated to 1 |
| 01:19.21 | cr2 | so it's 2 -> 5 -> 1 :) |
| 01:19.42 | cr2 | now that makes sense |
| 01:21.51 | maejrep | does it? |
| 01:21.52 | maejrep | :P |
| 01:22.11 | maejrep | the "Current Panel Type: HITACHI" string is displayed when the flag is 5, not 1 |
| 01:22.49 | cr2 | yes, but later on the 5 is converted to 1 for other purposes |
| 01:23.02 | cr2 | there are several ids inside |
| 01:23.51 | maejrep | ah |
| 01:43.49 | maejrep | cr2: http://www.privatepaste.com/5f1kP5iO3s#disptools.dll |
| 01:53.26 | AstainHellbring | waves hi to maejrep |
| 01:53.44 | Timbo_ | im curious what is required to get andriod to fully work on the tilt? the code for the andriod missing or have incorrect ports for the tilt? or does the code need to be rewritten |
| 01:55.09 | AstainHellbring | Timbo_ dzo is currently working on it I believe |
| 01:59.58 | Timbo_ | ok the camera is just an example, what about the gps |
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| 11:42.06 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Upgrades |
| 11:42.38 | cr2 | the protocol column. how do we query this value ? |
| 11:43.31 | captnoord | device thingy? |
| 11:43.38 | captnoord | windows ce has a api for it |
| 11:44.11 | cr2 | in linux |
| 11:44.17 | captnoord | I know.... |
| 11:44.23 | captnoord | I mean... |
| 11:44.31 | captnoord | can't you do a grep on all your stuff |
| 11:44.34 | captnoord | takes some time |
| 11:44.36 | captnoord | but |
| 11:45.05 | cr2 | grep how and where ? |
| 11:45.20 | captnoord | should really shut up |
| 11:45.22 | cr2 | from inside the booting kernel |
| 11:46.43 | captnoord | but thats related to the htc rom |
| 11:47.13 | captnoord | should that be readable from a unix kernel? |
| 11:47.19 | captnoord | I going to switch to diff os |
| 11:47.27 | captnoord | instead of screaming to laud |
| 11:47.30 | captnoord | I should do something |
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| 11:55.32 | captnoord | re |
| 11:55.35 | captnoord | with my big mouth |
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| 12:04.01 | Fjodor | BabelO: ping? |
| 12:04.18 | BabelO | Fjodor: hi |
| 12:04.42 | Fjodor | BabelO: Hi! I hear that you are the one working on a kernel for the Artemis? |
| 12:05.09 | BabelO | yes |
| 12:05.55 | Fjodor | BabelO: Good man! Any news on getting sound, wifi and gsm to work? If there is anything you need testing for, I'll be happy to help ;-) |
| 12:06.19 | captnoord | NetRipper: awake and present? |
| 12:06.32 | BabelO | Fjodor: all is in git tree |
| 12:06.44 | BabelO | build with htcartemis_defconfig |
| 12:07.19 | Fjodor | BabelO: You mean that it should be working? Because I tried doing just that, but I may have checked out a wrong version, since neither worked for me |
| 12:07.41 | Fjodor | I mean, the kernel booted fine, but no gsm, wifi or sound... |
| 12:08.14 | BabelO | Fjodor: i know, it need more work, and i ve no more time since one month |
| 12:08.51 | Fjodor | Ah, ok. That's of course understanable, but if there is anything I can do to help, please let me know! |
| 12:10.56 | Fjodor | I really want to run Linux on it full-time, but without gsm and sound, it's rather pointless ;-) |
| 12:11.36 | BabelO | i know |
| 12:11.50 | BabelO | Fjodor: you can ty to package android |
| 12:11.52 | Fjodor | ...not to deride your work, though! |
| 12:12.02 | Fjodor | Ok, where do I find that? |
| 12:12.52 | BabelO | http://code.google.com/intl/fr/android/ |
| 12:13.10 | Fjodor | Ok, I'll see if I can cook up a package :-) |
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| 12:16.35 | captnoord | ol |
| 12:16.36 | captnoord | lol |
| 12:16.44 | captnoord | haven't used git for like 2 weeks and its rusting again |
| 12:16.45 | captnoord | :P |
| 12:16.54 | captnoord | i'm a lazy bastard |
| 12:35.20 | captnoord | so |
| 12:35.21 | captnoord | in msmfb_probe |
| 12:35.30 | captnoord | they assume the pixel stuff is 16 bits |
| 12:40.57 | captnoord | NetRipper: and maybe |
| 12:41.03 | captnoord | because #define SMSM_FAKE_IRQ (0xff) |
| 12:41.19 | captnoord | [INT_DEBUG_TIMER_EXP] = SMSM_FAKE_IRQ, |
| 12:41.43 | captnoord | .// On Raphael/Diamond the device hangs when debug timer interrupt is enabled - netripper |
| 12:41.50 | captnoord | that goes bada boom |
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| 13:27.37 | captnoord | okey okey |
| 13:27.39 | captnoord | it compiles |
| 13:27.40 | captnoord | :P |
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| 14:03.40 | captnoord | re |
| 14:03.45 | captnoord | waves around |
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| 17:46.52 | tmzt | cr2: you looked at raph500 spl right? do you know how to init mddi/lcd on that? |
| 17:47.03 | tmzt | and does anyone know if it has the color issues |
| 17:47.21 | tmzt | AstainHellbring: |
| 17:47.37 | cr2 | tmzt: i think it is the same as raph800 |
| 17:48.35 | tmzt | so it has the 444 issue and we don't know how to fix that? maejrep has been working on it? |
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| 18:08.02 | mpc8248 | hello to the audience trying to get linux kernel drives get working..the main problem |
| 18:09.43 | tmzt | hello |
| 18:10.13 | mpc8248 | hello tmtz |
| 18:13.20 | mpc8248 | may i intudruce my self ..i am a hardware engineer making u-boot stuff and kernel tinngs on ppc today |
| 18:14.08 | mpc8248 | i am looking for a phone under linux conrtol |
| 18:14.19 | tmzt | powerpc? |
| 18:15.18 | mpc8248 | my favorite is the g1...but no RDS radio like the blackstone |
| 18:15.38 | tmzt | raph and diam have it though |
| 18:15.53 | tmzt | g1 might but not antenna connected to the bluetooth chip |
| 18:16.01 | tmzt | s/not/no/ |
| 18:16.32 | mpc8248 | ????... |
| 18:16.56 | tmzt | g1 might have the FM radio capability but not have the antenna wired for it |
| 18:17.43 | mpc8248 | the problem is that every one is seching a top phone wher linux runs with all drivers! |
| 18:17.56 | tmzt | yes |
| 18:18.39 | tmzt | maejrep has the SDIO on the touch pro working now I think, we just need to get the wifi driver |
| 18:18.56 | tmzt | cr2 was working on high-speed uart for bluetooth |
| 18:19.41 | mpc8248 | in the end all projects are stopt because there is a new and more atractive phone in some months |
| 18:20.06 | tmzt | most of the work applies to coming msm phones also |
| 18:20.20 | cr2 | mpc8248: it's because only 3-5 people are working on it |
| 18:20.23 | mpc8248 | ...so the drivers are not possible to debug reverse..my opion |
| 18:20.46 | cr2 | everything is possible |
| 18:20.55 | cr2 | it's only a question of time and motivation |
| 18:21.00 | tmzt | the google sources for msm have been a lot of help though, it would have taken years without those I guess |
| 18:21.41 | cr2 | tmzt: but they include a lot of obfuscated code too |
| 18:21.42 | mpc8248 | time is the matter...and alway the try having new things ..look on the iphone linux port..no gsm |
| 18:22.14 | tmzt | cr2: yeah, anything with Qualcomm in the header or related to clocks/vreg has been |
| 18:22.17 | cr2 | mpc8248: the only difficult part on the blackstone is the lcd init |
| 18:22.17 | mpc8248 | and sx1...linwizzard |
| 18:22.55 | cr2 | wizard is an omap850 phone |
| 18:23.22 | cr2 | which i would not name a high-end phone |
| 18:23.35 | tmzt | sx1 is omap also |
| 18:23.51 | tmzt | that's not the sony msm phone, it's Siemens or something |
| 18:23.56 | cr2 | sx1 is even worse |
| 18:24.18 | mpc8248 | understand the problem.. those projects are cnaceled in progress because the hardware is to old |
| 18:24.38 | cr2 | no |
| 18:25.02 | cr2 | it's because some things are difficult to reverse engineer |
| 18:25.03 | mpc8248 | and you need too much time to do develop a driver with out specifictions |
| 18:25.21 | cr2 | and there is not enough motivation to do it |
| 18:25.49 | mpc8248 | schematics ? are not avilable |
| 18:25.56 | cr2 | well, it's not always the case |
| 18:26.07 | cr2 | schematics are not available. of course |
| 18:26.49 | mpc8248 | look at the g1 and the blackstone ..where are the gpl drivers for the g1 |
| 18:27.33 | tmzt | cr2: if you want obfuscated look at the source motorola has released for the i.MX/MXC phones, only now are real patches coming to lak from the makers of those chips |
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| 18:29.22 | captnoord | mpc8248: logic is our sollution |
| 18:30.31 | captnoord | mpc8248...so the drivers are not possible to debug reverse |
| 18:30.36 | captnoord | your opinion |
| 18:30.42 | captnoord | not mine |
| 18:31.30 | cr2 | tmzt: i dislike bizarre cpus anyway |
| 18:32.05 | cr2 | mpc8248: get the blackstone, and help with the lcd driver. so simple |
| 18:32.53 | mpc8248 | i only want to say that without kernel drivers the time will catch up the reverse investigations on all "sub" group projects |
| 18:32.55 | cr2 | mpc8248: the rest is very similar to raph100. the lcd on raph800 is very similar to blac100, and maejrep works on it too, so you are not alone |
| 18:33.04 | captnoord | NetRipper: dude, I know your with your girl because its valentine's day.... but I have a tiny question |
| 18:33.09 | mpc8248 | ok i will |
| 18:33.19 | mpc8248 | blackstone is cool |
| 18:33.36 | cr2 | mpc8248: we have the "core" driver from g1. but some things are a little bit different and need to be adapted. |
| 18:33.44 | captnoord | I think as long as there is OS and people willing to spent time.... no one is alone |
| 18:34.06 | cr2 | so it's mostly about patience, and gathering of the right values for the right registers |
| 18:35.40 | mpc8248 | but frame buffer work with an try and error approach is not efficent |
| 18:36.04 | captnoord | trial and error apprauch van be effective as long as you work hard |
| 18:36.08 | captnoord | and I know |
| 18:37.40 | cr2 | mpc8248: there is no trial and error here, but the lcd init from the spl. |
| 18:37.42 | mpc8248 | @captnoord=> how do you want to hit the right bit a hardware designer has thougt of in register |
| 18:38.32 | tmzt | if the display lights up or the vibration starts or the leds on the navi (raph) flash, etc. |
| 18:38.52 | captnoord | studies for electronic / device implementations |
| 18:38.55 | captnoord | woeps |
| 18:38.57 | captnoord | I mean |
| 18:39.05 | captnoord | if you have a slight idea what for device it is |
| 18:39.10 | captnoord | you also know the common functions |
| 18:39.18 | captnoord | its all about similairities |
| 18:39.25 | captnoord | if you get function 1 |
| 18:39.30 | captnoord | and function 3 |
| 18:39.32 | captnoord | by testing |
| 18:39.35 | captnoord | you can get function 2 |
| 18:39.37 | captnoord | by guessing |
| 18:39.45 | captnoord | it just takes more tries |
| 18:39.46 | captnoord | but |
| 18:40.03 | captnoord | its not very time consuming as long as there is some kind of feedback |
| 18:40.10 | tmzt | and of course linux abstracts all that stuff and lets you just implement the missing parts |
| 18:40.31 | captnoord | so please don't go the road of impossible |
| 18:40.31 | tmzt | like talking directly to the hardware rather than writing an new mmc/sdio stack |
| 18:40.36 | captnoord | take the road of possibilities |
| 18:40.40 | tmzt | or the led or vreg framework |
| 18:40.55 | captnoord | every door that opens here |
| 18:40.59 | captnoord | doesn't lead to more doors |
| 18:41.21 | captnoord | its mostly the info that is behind the doors leading to open more doors easier |
| 18:41.24 | mpc8248 | i am a cpu hardware designer ..and i look for a free linux phone for a long time ..all projets are very ambigous...freerunner(hardware too old)... |
| 18:41.37 | captnoord | k.... |
| 18:41.40 | captnoord | vhdl |
| 18:41.42 | captnoord | or verilog? |
| 18:41.44 | mpc8248 | and so on |
| 18:42.06 | captnoord | ? |
| 18:42.46 | captnoord | which program you design in? |
| 18:42.53 | captnoord | vVHDL or Verilog |
| 18:42.55 | mpc8248 | no small mpc8248 modules 6x3 cm 256mb flash and sdram 12 layers |
| 18:43.13 | tmzt | most the focus right now is on MSM which is a arm11 and arm9 and at least two dsp's and a gpu in the same package with some sram |
| 18:44.39 | tmzt | this is the cpu in the g1 the Touch Pro, the Touch Diamond, the Blackstone (HD), etc. |
| 18:44.39 | captnoord | nvm mpc8248 then your a hardware designer..... |
| 18:44.40 | mpc8248 | with u-boot and vhdl for tricky variant boot managemet |
| 18:44.40 | cr2 | mpc8248: get yourself blac100 or raph?00 |
| 18:45.05 | mpc8248 | cr2 ? no |
| 18:45.11 | tmzt | we would need to find jtag to work on the bootloader though if we want to replace it? |
| 18:45.57 | cr2 | tmzt: which bootloader ? |
| 18:46.15 | cr2 | tmzt: there are 4 of them ;) |
| 18:46.24 | tmzt | I mean for msm if we want to replace the ce spl, oh, oemsbl then I guess |
| 18:46.27 | tmzt | or appsbl |
| 18:46.45 | mpc8248 | i am common with jtag and arm7 ixp4xxx (arm9) BDI2000 is my own :-) |
| 18:46.53 | tmzt | which one can be recovered without jtag is the question then |
| 18:47.37 | mpc8248 | but who pays the phone for me to slaugter to get on the jtag :-))))))))))))) no one |
| 18:47.49 | tmzt | mpc8248: I'm running irssi on my nslu, the closest I get to ixp |
| 18:48.22 | tmzt | I think viperbjk in #xda-devs is working on jtag, don't think anyone else has tried it |
| 18:49.00 | captnoord | not my field so I won't |
| 18:49.34 | mpc8248 | jtag is only importent if you have no bootloader...if mmu is on forget it |
| 18:49.41 | cr2 | tmzt: appsbl is irrelevant. oemsbl is nice to replace, because it does some evil. |
| 18:50.44 | tmzt | if we could get adp1's fastboot in there at least on raph100 |
| 18:51.01 | tmzt | what does oemsbl do? |
| 18:51.27 | cr2 | initial cpu setup+console. |
| 18:51.31 | cr2 | loads amss |
| 18:51.39 | tmzt | I mean that's evil |
| 18:51.48 | cr2 | MPU |
| 18:51.59 | tmzt | ah, ok |
| 18:52.04 | cr2 | memory protection unit |
| 18:52.06 | tmzt | this is what we keep running into in linux? |
| 18:52.28 | cr2 | it does not allow access to certain memory and nand areas |
| 18:52.35 | cr2 | on the hw level |
| 18:53.02 | captnoord | cheers...... |
| 18:53.14 | captnoord | first boot of own kernel build |
| 18:54.14 | mpc8248 | @captnoord phone type ? |
| 18:54.27 | captnoord | mda vario 4 |
| 18:54.32 | captnoord | raphael 100 |
| 18:54.39 | captnoord | latest rev |
| 18:54.53 | captnoord | but was a quick build |
| 18:54.57 | captnoord | I should read more |
| 18:55.30 | tmzt | cr2: what's not working on raph100 other than bluetooth/wifi? |
| 18:55.41 | cr2 | suspend |
| 18:55.46 | captnoord | isn't the wiki updated? |
| 18:55.52 | cr2 | and the clock api needs a cleanup |
| 18:56.00 | cr2 | gps |
| 18:56.12 | cr2 | data channel is missing |
| 18:56.17 | cr2 | usb host |
| 18:56.26 | cr2 | sound |
| 18:56.52 | cr2 | accelerometer |
| 18:57.00 | cr2 | but it's easy to support it |
| 18:57.08 | tmzt | I thought ppp was only broken on raph800, it's just not detecting it? |
| 18:57.46 | cr2 | the smd1 init is missing in the code. afair |
| 18:57.56 | cr2 | so there is no tty for it |
| 18:58.13 | cr2 | on raph800 all is broken, because the smd layout is more vogure-like |
| 18:58.24 | tmzt | sound is aDSP? |
| 18:59.16 | cr2 | yes |
| 18:59.43 | cr2 | and some dex |
| 19:00.01 | cr2 | but it should not be difficult to support it, looking at the vogue code |
| 19:00.27 | cr2 | tmzt: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Upgrades |
| 19:00.40 | tmzt | should we have a asoc driver or try to support it the same way as g1 with sysfs if neccessary? |
| 19:00.48 | cr2 | tmzt: how can we query the "protocol" column here ? |
| 19:01.38 | tmzt | not sure what you mean |
| 19:01.49 | tmzt | with an AT command? |
| 19:03.26 | maejrep | cr2: did you get my link with disptools.dll ? |
| 19:04.46 | cr2 | maejrep: yes |
| 19:05.18 | cr2 | tmzt: yes, but it's better to know a simplier way |
| 19:05.32 | cr2 | maejrep: our amss is 52XX ? |
| 19:06.34 | tmzt | so your looking for that string or what it's derived from in smem? |
| 19:07.28 | cr2 | smem will be the best |
| 19:07.49 | captnoord | no one in the mood for reverse enginiering? |
| 19:09.13 | captnoord | does the linux build do readout of the time chip |
| 19:09.13 | captnoord | ? |
| 19:09.51 | tmzt | rtc is dex/proc_comm command |
| 19:10.31 | tmzt | what is g1 amss version? |
| 19:10.50 | tmzt | 6525? |
| 19:11.18 | captnoord | hmmm nope can't seem to set date. |
| 19:11.21 | captnoord | on my android |
| 19:11.31 | cr2 | tmzt: there are several versions |
| 19:11.47 | cr2 | 6XXX |
| 19:12.12 | tmzt | what do they all have in common? |
| 19:12.20 | tmzt | is it 62 or 65? |
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| 19:12.49 | cr2 | 65XX is different from 62XX |
| 19:12.58 | cr2 | it's in the g1 code |
| 19:13.26 | cr2 | it should be nice to autodetect the version, and use appropriate functions |
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| 19:19.21 | cr2 | maejrep: have you seen that your usb (ulpi) init is different ? |
| 19:24.33 | exco_ | ra |
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| 19:36.23 | cr2 | maejrep: distoools uses very complex access to the mddi_client regs |
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| 19:40.39 | swc|666 | any1 know if this is permanantely dead? http://www.algepop.net/users/alge/angstrom-ba/images/htcblueangel/ |
| 19:46.46 | tmzt | the site? |
| 19:46.56 | tmzt | it's moved to linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/ maybe |
| 19:47.18 | tmzt | or you can just use an appropriate angstrom image for armv5 |
| 19:53.32 | swc|666 | yeah i was insterested to see if there was any stable drivers for the BA.. its been a while since i've used it |
| 19:53.54 | swc|666 | i.e. keyboard, touchscreen..etc |
| 19:55.06 | tmzt | I think so, why wouldn't touchscreen, keyboard work? |
| 19:56.02 | tmzt | cr2: what's this about the ulpi on raph800, are you saying the phy itself is different? |
| 19:56.25 | tmzt | or msm7501a has a different usb block |
| 19:56.28 | swc|666 | well the problem i remember is that before, if you even tapped any keyboard key, it would make the letter/key "stick" and you couldnt stop it |
| 19:59.43 | cr2 | tmzt: there are some differences, but they are easy to track |
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| 20:48.05 | xutywx | cr2, tmzt are you there? ;) |
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| 20:55.24 | ALoGeNo | hey |
| 20:55.33 | ALoGeNo | tmzt are you there? |
| 20:57.33 | tmzt | yeah |
| 20:58.12 | ALoGeNo | hey :D |
| 20:58.52 | ALoGeNo | yesterday by luck i found one site with a folder with your name and mp900 hernel |
| 20:59.00 | ALoGeNo | that kernel have something new? |
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| 21:00.44 | ALoGeNo | tmzt i say that http://people.openezx.org/tmzt/ |
| 21:01.27 | tmzt | oh, that's was for somebody, DebianTUX maybe, it doesn't have the modules and I haven't uploaded them |
| 21:01.58 | ALoGeNo | oh!! |
| 21:02.14 | ALoGeNo | i was think that the modules are in the img files |
| 21:02.31 | ALoGeNo | but the USB still without work no? |
| 21:02.56 | ALoGeNo | you know that we have basic support in official kernl 2.6.28? |
| 21:03.07 | tmzt | no usb |
| 21:03.12 | ALoGeNo | ok |
| 21:03.25 | tmzt | I built the kernel and modules, they aren't in any .img file |
| 21:04.00 | tmzt | yeah, I think it's linux-hpc from kristoffer, either 2.6.28 or 27 with idecs |
| 21:04.36 | ALoGeNo | aham.,. yes i think so.. |
| 21:04.41 | ALoGeNo | http://wiki.kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28 |
| 21:05.15 | ALoGeNo | maybe later try to compile 2.6.28 for mp900 |
| 21:05.39 | ALoGeNo | i can use the kristofer .config no tmzt? |
| 21:05.57 | ALoGeNo | the 2.6.26 .config |
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| 21:06.05 | tmzt | yeah |
| 21:06.09 | ALoGeNo | kk |
| 21:06.24 | tmzt | you can try that kernel, tell me the uname -a and I will upload some modules |
| 21:06.43 | ALoGeNo | oh but you say the mp900_test kernel no? |
| 21:06.49 | ALoGeNo | okey dokey |
| 21:11.58 | ALoGeNo | tmzt that kernel is the same that mine |
| 21:12.05 | ALoGeNo | 2.6.26 |
| 21:12.17 | ALoGeNo | 2.6.26-jlime* |
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| 21:29.50 | xutywx | how is marked TAB key in keymap? |
| 21:30.01 | xutywx | like KEY_SPACE |
| 21:33.16 | xutywx | ok key_tab simply |
| 21:33.26 | tmzt | KEY_TAB I think |
| 21:33.32 | tmzt | you working on g900? |
| 21:33.48 | xutywx | yes |
| 21:33.48 | tmzt | how is touchscreen? |
| 21:34.02 | xutywx | not good but im working ;) |
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| 21:34.41 | xutywx | u get worked ts2003 - exactly - it was registreing but dont find ts chip ;/ |
| 21:43.38 | xutywx | how can i support fn keys? |
| 21:43.44 | cr2 | maejrep: i've made one more step forward on the clocks |
| 21:44.50 | cr2 | maejrep: wince clk idx >-> msm_clock_regime idx |
| 21:56.41 | Timbo_ | anyone have a problem going to gmail.com in android? |
| 21:56.51 | Timbo_ | the page doesnt load for me -_- |
| 22:08.25 | cr2 | i2c_clk khz 0x4b00=19200 |
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| 22:20.15 | cr2 | 0x14=mdp_clk . very good :) |
| 22:23.28 | cr2 | wee.0xaa4* is tvout related :) |
| 22:24.49 | cr2 | hmm. a lot of magic registers are written there |
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| 22:49.07 | cr2 | hi dcordes |
| 22:50.07 | BabelO | hi cr2 |
| 22:50.10 | BabelO | cr2: http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/09/14/samsung-ln52a650-firmware-said-to-be-hackable/ |
| 22:50.28 | BabelO | have to play with my tv maybe than the phone |
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| 23:03.36 | BabelO | cr2: ok it is GCC: (GNU) 4.1.1 (STMicroelectronics Special) [build Oct 15 2006]^ |
| 23:03.51 | BabelO | cr2: cpu look like SH4 |
| 23:12.02 | cr2 | interesting |
| 23:14.46 | cr2 | aha, 25bit is usb |
| 23:29.14 | dcordes | cr2: hi there |
| 23:29.22 | dcordes | BabelO: hi |
| 23:29.35 | BabelO | ola dcordes |
| 23:30.23 | dcordes | como estas? |
| 23:31.28 | swc|666 | BabelO, isn't this/wasn't this yours? http://www.algepop.net/users/alge/angstrom-ba/images/htcblueangel/ |
| 23:31.36 | BabelO | dcordes: good, sorry for your remote, but lot of thing to do |
| 23:31.57 | dcordes | ah yea, the modem. I accidently removed the parts list |
| 23:31.59 | BabelO | swc|666: not me it is alge images |
| 23:32.08 | swc|666 | ah |
| 23:32.09 | dcordes | for the modulator |
| 23:32.57 | BabelO | dcordes: better and secure is to use spice to do the test modelator / demodulator for rs232 on audio channel |
| 23:32.59 | dcordes | BabelO: I'm fighting with the range atm. today I made a range test in flight and the result wasn't that good. but I used normal omni antenna on the ground |
| 23:33.10 | BabelO | i think ne555 is enought |
| 23:33.26 | BabelO | dcordes: how much ? |
| 23:35.29 | dcordes | BabelO: I went only ~600m |
| 23:35.40 | BabelO | dcordes: hum not a lot :( |
| 23:35.44 | dcordes | and in that radius had interference/bad signal in some spots |
| 23:35.54 | dcordes | I think it's because of the poor receiver antenna |
| 23:36.02 | BabelO | dcordes: what was the freqeuncy ? 2.4Ghz ? |
| 23:37.08 | dcordes | yep |
| 23:37.36 | dcordes | I'm considering a 900MHz system |
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| 23:38.36 | dcordes | BabelO: but first will check with a patch antenna on the ground |
| 23:39.19 | dcordes | I guess what I experienced was no signal loss but interference due to 2,4GHz noise |
| 23:39.37 | BabelO | dcordes: yes and you have to do an antenna for the plane like it is on real plane ;) |
| 23:41.38 | dcordes | BabelO: what do they have on the real plane? I have a normal home use wifi antenna on it |
| 23:49.22 | BabelO | dcordes: just an antenna in direction of the ground |
| 23:49.32 | BabelO | dcordes: and they have more metal on the plane ;) |
| 23:50.01 | BabelO | dcordes: maybe try to put some aluminium around antenna ;) |
| 23:51.25 | dcordes | BabelO: I think I can add like 100-200g of weight until it gets too heavy |
| 23:52.21 | dcordes | but I don't know how to realize a directional ant airborne. on the ground it's not that big problem |
| 23:52.26 | BabelO | dcordes: just aluminium for food around antenna to make a plan, it can help, but antenna must be under the airplane |
| 23:52.41 | dcordes | ..as soon as I have have the gps signal I can make a ground antenna point |
| 23:52.55 | BabelO | dcordes: on ground just put antenna on top of your car, should be ok |
| 23:53.34 | dcordes | I mounted the gorund omni to an 1m pole |
| 23:54.18 | dcordes | you mean I can just flip the plane ant. 180° and mount it on the bottom? that would be possible of course but would suck for landing |