| 00:00.00 | captnoord | NetRipper: k..... ik gokte maar wat... ( zal ik nooit echt doen als k aan het coden ben ) |
| 00:00.00 | Pure4Real | ik zou graag een andere rom installeren op mn kaiser maar heb geen windows op mn pc draaien... |
| 00:00.17 | captnoord | NetRipper: ben meer van de binaire stuff |
| 00:00.30 | NetRipper | mja hex is over 't algemeen makkelijker te lezen |
| 00:00.31 | captnoord | Pure4Real: lucky dude |
| 00:00.46 | captnoord | NetRipper: vooral makkelijker als het gaat om flags enzo.... |
| 00:00.54 | captnoord | maar das meer mischien een persoonlijk dingetje |
| 00:00.55 | Pure4Real | lucky? |
| 00:01.04 | captnoord | ik ben zoals ze zeggen een "bit neuker" |
| 00:01.07 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 00:01.15 | captnoord | Pure4Real: ik ben beetje verslaaft aan visual studio |
| 00:01.19 | Pure4Real | ah hehe |
| 00:01.26 | captnoord | draai 50% van de tijd ubuntu |
| 00:01.31 | NetRipper | 'k zal de bijnaam onthouden, bitneuker;) |
| 00:01.31 | Pure4Real | daar heb je toch prima vervangingen voor in linux? |
| 00:01.33 | captnoord | en 50% van de tijd viesta |
| 00:01.39 | captnoord | hmmm |
| 00:01.40 | Pure4Real | brrr vista |
| 00:01.44 | captnoord | draait niet zo lekker vind k |
| 00:02.02 | captnoord | btw.... alleeeeen visual studio zal het enige pakket zijn dat ik van MS koop |
| 00:02.03 | Pure4Real | zegt iemand die vista gebruikt :P |
| 00:02.10 | NetRipper | maargoed.. denk dat we 't engels moeten houden hier |
| 00:02.17 | captnoord | k |
| 00:02.34 | Pure4Real | i think that all english speaking people are not available at the moment though |
| 00:02.35 | captnoord | yea its like "durka durka" for non dutchies |
| 00:02.45 | captnoord | even that its there time |
| 00:02.46 | NetRipper | they'll still read logs though |
| 00:02.49 | captnoord | and we should be in bed |
| 00:02.55 | Pure4Real | and that's why everybody should learn dutch |
| 00:03.04 | NetRipper | agreed |
| 00:03.04 | captnoord | NetRipper'k zal de bijnaam onthouden, bitneuker;) |
| 00:03.10 | captnoord | missed that one |
| 00:03.11 | captnoord | lol |
| 00:03.13 | captnoord | hehe |
| 00:03.16 | NetRipper | :p |
| 00:03.30 | captnoord | studies electronics |
| 00:03.44 | captnoord | but somehow feels drawn to coding |
| 00:04.17 | NetRipper | it's a nice hobby.. too bad i made my profession out of it ;) |
| 00:04.33 | captnoord | hmm... I hope to stay in the gray area |
| 00:04.37 | captnoord | both electronics |
| 00:04.40 | captnoord | and software |
| 00:05.04 | captnoord | but I think I am doomed to curse at people for there crappy code |
| 00:05.13 | Pure4Real | i studied computer science for one year, that was about enough for me |
| 00:05.17 | Pure4Real | doing medicine now |
| 00:05.33 | captnoord | k |
| 00:05.47 | captnoord | you wish to keep it a hobby |
| 00:05.48 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:05.52 | NetRipper | we'll be coding the devices you use in hospitals ;) |
| 00:06.19 | captnoord | hehe |
| 00:06.31 | Pure4Real | haha, i just hope you wont code it by reverse engineering then ;P |
| 00:06.48 | NetRipper | lol, it's all legit luckily :) |
| 00:07.05 | captnoord | sits with his hands in his face and mawns ( noo noo not reverse enginering ) |
| 00:07.17 | NetRipper | that'd rock... "sorry sir, we radiated the wrong area, darn disassemblers eh!" |
| 00:07.21 | captnoord | I spend to much time with IDA |
| 00:07.25 | Pure4Real | hehe |
| 00:08.02 | NetRipper | anyhows, im off to bed, good night guys |
| 00:08.05 | captnoord | at least I know how todo nifty tricks that teathers don't understand |
| 00:08.07 | captnoord | sleep wel |
| 00:08.07 | captnoord | nn |
| 00:08.09 | Pure4Real | good night NetRipper |
| 00:08.32 | Pure4Real | i know how to do nifty tricks aswell ;) |
| 00:08.53 | captnoord | you know how to turn on the nerve on my right ankel? |
| 00:08.57 | captnoord | as its borked |
| 00:09.06 | captnoord | because they fucked it up when they repaired my leg |
| 00:09.12 | Pure4Real | that sucks |
| 00:09.19 | Pure4Real | what happened to your leg? |
| 00:09.27 | captnoord | http://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/x-rays-2009/leg-under-right/been003_small_safe.jpg |
| 00:09.31 | captnoord | big bada boom |
| 00:09.35 | captnoord | soccer |
| 00:09.39 | captnoord | I ran out of luck |
| 00:09.47 | Pure4Real | haha nice, i saved the x-ray of my broken hand too |
| 00:09.55 | Pure4Real | they actually screwed that one up a bit too |
| 00:10.38 | Pure4Real | hmm, its a stupid thing that they fucked that one up |
| 00:10.38 | captnoord | nah mainly they had my ankel in a thingy(bankschroef) the nerve has some kind of tunnel syndrome |
| 00:10.46 | Pure4Real | ah ok |
| 00:10.54 | captnoord | you know all the tech terms |
| 00:10.56 | captnoord | I don't |
| 00:10.56 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:11.03 | Pure4Real | yes :) |
| 00:11.17 | captnoord | but in a few weeks I have a nerve test |
| 00:11.26 | captnoord | and they will test my propagation time |
| 00:11.27 | captnoord | :D |
| 00:11.28 | captnoord | whoooo |
| 00:11.30 | captnoord | cheers |
| 00:11.33 | Pure4Real | hehe |
| 00:11.44 | Pure4Real | nice, i guess by using small voltage shocks? |
| 00:11.55 | captnoord | its related to current |
| 00:12.05 | Pure4Real | yeah |
| 00:12.07 | captnoord | the nerve's transfare current |
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| 00:12.19 | captnoord | higher the current the higher the signal |
| 00:12.22 | captnoord | something like that |
| 00:12.29 | captnoord | but |
| 00:12.31 | Pure4Real | read something about it some time ago |
| 00:12.32 | captnoord | your also right |
| 00:12.41 | captnoord | when you increase the current |
| 00:12.46 | captnoord | the voltage raises |
| 00:13.05 | captnoord | it depends if you see it transfaring free electrons |
| 00:13.11 | captnoord | current |
| 00:13.28 | captnoord | or something mythical |
| 00:13.38 | Pure4Real | yeah, i've never been too big on physics |
| 00:13.38 | captnoord | which results in voltage |
| 00:13.39 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:13.51 | captnoord | its easy |
| 00:13.56 | captnoord | but that is with most stuff |
| 00:14.00 | Pure4Real | I=R * V or something like that right? |
| 00:14.01 | captnoord | when you get to know them..... |
| 00:14.10 | captnoord | V -> U |
| 00:14.14 | Pure4Real | ah |
| 00:14.17 | captnoord | U = I * R |
| 00:14.20 | Pure4Real | right |
| 00:14.24 | Pure4Real | close enough |
| 00:14.27 | captnoord | the funny thing |
| 00:14.40 | captnoord | nerves are compareble conductors to copper |
| 00:14.54 | captnoord | difference resistance per mm |
| 00:14.55 | captnoord | but |
| 00:14.58 | captnoord | its close |
| 00:15.29 | captnoord | R * rho = A * pfy |
| 00:15.34 | captnoord | also known |
| 00:15.35 | captnoord | lol |
| 00:15.36 | captnoord | wrong |
| 00:15.39 | captnoord | hehe |
| 00:15.42 | captnoord | its R A L F |
| 00:15.50 | captnoord | R * A = L * F |
| 00:15.51 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:16.12 | captnoord | resistance and length and resistance per mm^2 |
| 00:16.17 | captnoord | should stop |
| 00:16.21 | captnoord | tomorrow another day |
| 00:16.32 | Pure4Real | yes |
| 00:16.41 | Pure4Real | thanks for the lecture on physics |
| 00:16.43 | Pure4Real | :P |
| 00:16.48 | captnoord | lol |
| 00:16.51 | captnoord | I haven't even started |
| 00:17.03 | Pure4Real | i think you've done enough ;) |
| 00:17.19 | Pure4Real | this geriatrics is already killing me |
| 00:17.44 | captnoord | the real interesting stuff begins when you model reflexes with something called "regel techniek" |
| 00:17.46 | captnoord | as in |
| 00:17.51 | captnoord | I see my hand move |
| 00:17.55 | captnoord | I feel my hand move |
| 00:18.00 | captnoord | sensors |
| 00:18.03 | captnoord | actuators |
| 00:18.07 | captnoord | and regulators |
| 00:18.31 | captnoord | damn that old guys was right ( da vincy ) the human body is like a machine |
| 00:18.32 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:18.43 | Pure4Real | haha more than you know ;) |
| 00:18.52 | captnoord | you think |
| 00:18.53 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:19.02 | captnoord | I even know why I have ADHD |
| 00:19.13 | captnoord | because of my freaking mother |
| 00:19.14 | captnoord | lol |
| 00:19.29 | Pure4Real | ADHD is not directly geneticly linked |
| 00:19.30 | captnoord | she shouldn't have dropped me |
| 00:19.34 | Pure4Real | oh |
| 00:19.37 | Pure4Real | hahaha :s |
| 00:19.43 | captnoord | was a joke |
| 00:19.47 | captnoord | hmm.... |
| 00:20.04 | captnoord | the problem related to that is that its not yet mapped anough |
| 00:20.13 | Pure4Real | no |
| 00:20.18 | Pure4Real | well yes, a bit |
| 00:20.22 | captnoord | they kinda found around 20 gene's that seem to have something todo with it |
| 00:20.26 | captnoord | but they just don't know |
| 00:20.43 | Pure4Real | but mostly because there is no straight line in families of ADHD |
| 00:20.54 | Pure4Real | it's a matter of heightened susceptibility |
| 00:21.02 | Pure4Real | which is genetic |
| 00:21.09 | captnoord | I calculated that the change my kids have ADHD are | boy: 25% | girl: 12.5% |
| 00:21.14 | captnoord | purely statistic |
| 00:21.14 | Pure4Real | but as you said involves alot of different genes |
| 00:21.20 | captnoord | yup |
| 00:21.27 | Pure4Real | how did you calculate that? |
| 00:21.38 | captnoord | my grand father had adhd |
| 00:21.47 | captnoord | 1 uncle has it |
| 00:22.07 | captnoord | my mother is a keeper |
| 00:22.11 | captnoord | and I have it |
| 00:22.21 | Pure4Real | haha keeper |
| 00:22.27 | Pure4Real | sorry :P |
| 00:22.37 | captnoord | so the change that my kids have it ( thank god my girl has strong gene's ) is around that |
| 00:23.00 | Pure4Real | nope, sorry to disappoint you but you cannot calculate it like that |
| 00:23.06 | captnoord | I know |
| 00:23.06 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:23.16 | captnoord | its more that I like to give it a place |
| 00:23.26 | Pure4Real | i understand |
| 00:23.36 | captnoord | english is also something that you learn to use.... even if you are dislectic.... which I kinda ignore because I read ton's of books |
| 00:24.13 | captnoord | Pure4Real: we have around 20 k genenes? |
| 00:24.18 | captnoord | gene's |
| 00:24.25 | captnoord | I can't rememer |
| 00:24.29 | captnoord | remember* |
| 00:24.44 | Pure4Real | hmm |
| 00:24.47 | Pure4Real | wikipedia.org |
| 00:24.48 | Pure4Real | ;) |
| 00:24.48 | captnoord | they they have isolated 20 of them as having something todo with it |
| 00:24.52 | captnoord | lol |
| 00:24.56 | captnoord | nah I don't wiki a lot |
| 00:25.08 | Pure4Real | i love wiki-ing |
| 00:25.09 | captnoord | most of the time I search on english med schools and stuff |
| 00:25.17 | Pure4Real | i sometimes spend a full day on wikipedia |
| 00:25.25 | captnoord | gene's was like binairy |
| 00:25.30 | captnoord | wasn't* |
| 00:25.40 | captnoord | or is it? |
| 00:25.44 | captnoord | I can't remember |
| 00:25.46 | captnoord | so |
| 00:25.52 | captnoord | to be short |
| 00:25.56 | Pure4Real | no |
| 00:25.57 | captnoord | 2^ 20 |
| 00:26.01 | captnoord | if it is |
| 00:26.07 | captnoord | which is not the case |
| 00:26.09 | captnoord | because its more |
| 00:26.09 | captnoord | but |
| 00:26.12 | Pure4Real | genes are codes of 4 letters |
| 00:26.14 | captnoord | just to take a value |
| 00:26.17 | captnoord | 4 lekkers |
| 00:26.17 | captnoord | so |
| 00:26.19 | captnoord | letters |
| 00:26.25 | Pure4Real | lol |
| 00:26.30 | captnoord | 26 ^ 4 |
| 00:26.38 | captnoord | ? |
| 00:26.52 | Pure4Real | and that should be? |
| 00:26.53 | captnoord | so its 20 ^ (26^ 4) |
| 00:27.03 | Pure4Real | no |
| 00:27.04 | Pure4Real | eh |
| 00:27.06 | Pure4Real | hehe |
| 00:27.23 | Pure4Real | what are you calculating? |
| 00:27.29 | captnoord | lol |
| 00:27.35 | captnoord | fun |
| 00:27.43 | captnoord | as the calculator doesn't give me output |
| 00:27.46 | captnoord | start matlab |
| 00:27.47 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:27.51 | Pure4Real | haha |
| 00:28.01 | Pure4Real | 20 ^ 4 is what you want |
| 00:28.05 | captnoord | its coded in letters? |
| 00:28.11 | Pure4Real | 4 different letters are used to code the genome |
| 00:28.14 | captnoord | how many? |
| 00:28.17 | captnoord | I see |
| 00:28.23 | captnoord | then its 20^4 |
| 00:28.28 | captnoord | 20^4 |
| 00:28.38 | captnoord | 160000 |
| 00:28.42 | captnoord | possibilities |
| 00:28.44 | captnoord | but |
| 00:28.48 | captnoord | that would be all |
| 00:28.59 | captnoord | and I don't know how this stuff works |
| 00:29.06 | captnoord | because its like a gene lotery |
| 00:29.11 | Pure4Real | i dont think you're doing this right |
| 00:29.18 | captnoord | I know |
| 00:29.23 | captnoord | I know for sure |
| 00:29.26 | captnoord | its wrong |
| 00:29.27 | captnoord | but its fun |
| 00:29.29 | captnoord | :P |
| 00:29.41 | Pure4Real | because one gene can be hundreds to thousands of letters of code |
| 00:29.47 | captnoord | 20 ^ (26^ 4) ans = Inf |
| 00:30.00 | captnoord | hmmm..... |
| 00:30.07 | captnoord | ok lets say something different |
| 00:30.15 | captnoord | on my mothers side of the dam |
| 00:30.17 | captnoord | fam* |
| 00:30.25 | captnoord | 1 uncle has adhd |
| 00:30.37 | captnoord | his childeren don't have it |
| 00:30.40 | captnoord | he has 3 |
| 00:30.57 | captnoord | my mother doesn't have it ( its less likely to be active on womans ) |
| 00:31.09 | captnoord | but she wairs it |
| 00:31.18 | captnoord | I have 1 brother |
| 00:31.22 | captnoord | and 1 sister |
| 00:31.26 | captnoord | and only I have adhd |
| 00:31.39 | captnoord | so we can only messure |
| 00:32.00 | captnoord | that related to girls 0% and boys 50% |
| 00:32.10 | captnoord | shuts up |
| 00:32.29 | captnoord | should also map this into a big excel sheet if he ever wants todo it correctly |
| 00:32.41 | captnoord | Pure4Realbecause one gene can be hundreds to thousands of letters of code |
| 00:32.43 | captnoord | that was my |
| 00:32.51 | captnoord | 20 ^ (26^ 4) |
| 00:33.03 | Pure4Real | there's no logic in that |
| 00:33.13 | captnoord | hmm.... |
| 00:33.15 | captnoord | then I quit |
| 00:33.18 | Pure4Real | :) |
| 00:33.28 | Pure4Real | que sara, sara |
| 00:33.30 | captnoord | I should get this code to work |
| 00:33.38 | captnoord | my greek isn't that good dude |
| 00:33.44 | Pure4Real | lol, french ;) |
| 00:33.49 | captnoord | same |
| 00:33.50 | Pure4Real | what will be, will be |
| 00:34.01 | captnoord | i'm happy I can talk english this well |
| 00:35.09 | Pure4Real | which city do you live? |
| 00:35.16 | captnoord | near nijmegen |
| 00:35.41 | Pure4Real | ah |
| 00:35.46 | captnoord | near nijmegen? |
| 00:35.55 | captnoord | lol |
| 00:35.57 | captnoord | you? |
| 00:36.03 | captnoord | damn growing tired |
| 00:36.12 | Pure4Real | normally Leiden, but now in Rome for a year |
| 00:36.19 | captnoord | I see |
| 00:36.47 | captnoord | is dazzled from this damn compile error |
| 00:40.01 | Pure4Real | to quote a famous owl: |
| 00:40.08 | Pure4Real | "oogjes dicht en snaveltjes toe" |
| 00:40.33 | captnoord | "mag ik een glaasje prik en een portie beukenoten" |
| 00:40.47 | captnoord | "en snel een beetje anders ram ik die hele tent hier inelkaar" |
| 00:40.59 | Pure4Real | hehehe |
| 00:41.08 | Pure4Real | ome henk |
| 00:41.12 | captnoord | jaaaaa |
| 00:41.13 | captnoord | LD |
| 00:41.15 | captnoord | :D |
| 00:41.20 | captnoord | ik ben niet de enige |
| 00:41.28 | captnoord | cheers |
| 00:41.33 | Pure4Real | hehehe |
| 00:41.44 | Pure4Real | truste alvast |
| 00:41.47 | Pure4Real | ciaooooooo |
| 00:41.53 | captnoord | k |
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| 06:08.40 | Fjodor | From the logs, it would seem that there hasn't been very much development going on at linuxtogo's kernel tree lately. Has development moved elsewhere? |
| 06:10.12 | tmzt | no |
| 06:10.16 | tmzt | what specifically? |
| 06:11.36 | Fjodor | tmzt: Ok, thanks for answering. I have an HTC P3300 (artemis), and even with the latest linuxtogo kernel, I still haven't got sound, wifi or gsm, where gsm especially is needed for me to actually use the phone... |
| 06:12.05 | tmzt | htc-omap? |
| 06:12.25 | tmzt | work is being done on that in #linwizard and polaris.lurian.net/git.lurian.net |
| 06:12.50 | tmzt | also, BabelO is working on artemis specifically I think |
| 06:12.58 | tmzt | the other work is for all omap850 |
| 06:13.25 | Fjodor | Ok, the last one is new to me, so I'll check it out. As far as I know, linwizard is for a different architecture, but I could be wrong. Thanks |
| 06:14.19 | Fjodor | And yes, I know that I need to talk to BabelO, but he wasn't araound right now, so I just threw the question out there, but thanks again! |
| 06:18.07 | tmzt | linwizard is for wizard which is omap based, as I think artemis is |
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| 06:23.23 | Fjodor | tmzt: Indeed, but I just seem to remember to have heard that wizard is another brand of omap than omap850, but I could be very wrong there |
| 06:28.50 | Fjodor | I'm more than willing to try, though, so after git-cloning from lurian, which git-checkout options di I need for checking out the omap850 branch that I assume is the one for me? |
| 06:30.43 | Vennyaway | whats the xda irc? |
| 06:31.17 | tmzt | #xda-devs |
| 06:31.37 | Vennyaway | Thankies |
| 06:35.34 | Fjodor | sune@jekaterina:~/src/phone/kernel$ git-clone http://git.lurian.net/projects/linwizard-kernel.git |
| 06:35.34 | Fjodor | Initialized empty Git repository in /home/sune/src/phone/kernel/linwizard-kernel/.git/ |
| 06:35.34 | Fjodor | warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. |
| 06:35.37 | Fjodor | ? |
| 06:36.06 | tmzt | it's still polaris I think, git. is the gitweb |
| 06:36.18 | tmzt | and #linwizard would know if they are not all asleep |
| 06:36.51 | Fjodor | tmzt: Ok, thank you once more :-) |
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| 06:48.31 | Fjodor | tmzt: Ah, I think I got it now. Then I just need to figure out the arguments to git-checkout to get the assumedly correct omap850 branch |
| 06:49.11 | Fjodor | And as you guessed correctly, the linwizard guys seem indeed to be asleep |
| 06:56.38 | tmzt | git.lurian.net should tell you which branch to checkout |
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| 07:04.17 | Fjodor | Indeed, but my git-fu is quite weak :-$ I assume a git-checkout -b omap850 oorigin:omap850 should do it, thouhg, but comments are welcome ;-) |
| 07:04.47 | Fjodor | Only with a single 'o' in origin... ;-) |
| 07:05.27 | Fjodor | And s/thouhg/though... |
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| 10:57.59 | td001 | hello |
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| 11:13.12 | captnoord | waves around |
| 11:13.30 | captnoord | greets NetRipper and Pure4Real |
| 11:19.05 | Pure4Real | morning |
| 11:19.30 | Pure4Real | seriously, if you live in Rome it looks like everybody's against the government |
| 11:19.51 | Pure4Real | there's at least one manifestation against the government every month |
| 11:20.10 | Pure4Real | there's one now, people are making noise outside of my house :( not too good for studying |
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| 12:09.09 | captnoord | damn friday the 13e |
| 12:17.48 | Pure4Real | yeah |
| 12:18.03 | Pure4Real | had bad luck so far? |
| 12:18.58 | captnoord | headache |
| 12:19.01 | captnoord | my med's |
| 12:19.04 | captnoord | nah |
| 12:19.08 | captnoord | I wish you all a good day |
| 12:19.18 | captnoord | because I must reinstall my pc |
| 12:19.23 | captnoord | and that will take a while |
| 12:19.24 | captnoord | :( |
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| 14:46.07 | dcordes | hello |
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| 15:03.45 | j0b0 | good afternoon dcordes |
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| 15:06.43 | dcordes | hey j0b0 |
| 15:06.51 | dcordes | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/02/10/#20090210-pavel_looking_for_android_exploits |
| 15:07.43 | dcordes | he's right but what is the big deal? People, buy wince phones! |
| 15:12.17 | j0b0 | he doesnt really say that you _dont_ own your device, so yeah.. |
| 15:12.44 | j0b0 | not having root out of the box is probably a Good Thing, and nobody says youre not allowed to hack your own device |
| 15:13.09 | j0b0 | its just nobodies responsibility to make that easy |
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| 15:31.05 | dcordes | j0b0: yea. there are many people who are upset about the the googel strategy and I can understand them |
| 15:31.19 | Pure4Real | the standard consumer has no need for root and in most cases would use it in the wrong way, so giving standard root access would actually be bad for consumers |
| 15:31.30 | dcordes | somebody knows where the resolution for the toshiba panel went? |
| 15:31.53 | dcordes | Pure4Real: how can you decide what is good for the consumer? |
| 15:32.11 | Pure4Real | surveys? |
| 15:32.29 | dcordes | NetRipper: ping |
| 15:32.55 | Pure4Real | but i do agree that they shouldnt make it impossible |
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| 15:33.45 | dcordes | Pure4Real: that is the whole point of the article. you buy the product, you decide what you do with the product. |
| 15:34.23 | Pure4Real | but the OS is part of the product, so you know what you buy |
| 15:35.52 | j0b0 | i understand people would like things to be different, but its not like they were promised root and then didnt get it, and also not like youre not allowed to hack your own phone |
| 15:36.01 | Pure4Real | exactly |
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| 15:36.20 | ali1234 | if you want root buy the developer version, it's not hard to figure out |
| 15:36.33 | Pure4Real | besides, is it so difficult to build an android image with root access? |
| 15:36.54 | ali1234 | it's not hard to build, just hard to install |
| 15:37.02 | Pure4Real | ah ok |
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| 15:37.29 | Pure4Real | mostly only devs need root access |
| 15:37.51 | Pure4Real | and these people should be able to install it with it right? |
| 15:38.46 | ali1234 | Pure4Real: the consumer version requires signed firmware images, the developer version does not |
| 15:39.35 | AstainHellbring | but its pretty easy to flash the developer spl to the customer version of the device |
| 15:39.56 | ali1234 | sure, sure, there are always hacks |
| 15:40.24 | Pure4Real | so no harm, no foul |
| 15:41.06 | Pure4Real | normal consumers get an OS not easy to screw up and more advanced users can find means to get more access |
| 15:41.54 | dcordes | you keep speaking of the normal customer. how can you decide for him who he is and what he wants? |
| 15:43.03 | j0b0 | its the other way round .. The Customer can decide for himself whether to buy the product or not |
| 15:43.04 | Pure4Real | how big a percentage of the consumers you reckon need root? |
| 15:43.08 | ali1234 | that's why you have the choice between the consumer and developer versions. there's no point buy one and then complaining it isn't the other one |
| 15:45.26 | dcordes | I'm a normal customer. I want to be able to replace 100% of the software that runs on the devices I buy. |
| 15:47.57 | Pure4Real | that's not the behavior of a normal customer, a normal customer buys a product and maybe wants to install extra things, not replace stuff |
| 15:52.00 | ali1234 | most smartphone owners don't even install extra stuff |
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| 16:09.01 | dcordes | If I would want to sell a product, I would only decide in favour of marketing, too so I can make loads of money with it. If the market for that product is already highly saturated I would probably try to come up with something new in that area, or something that is not new at all, but still sell as new. Since I only care about money, I can spurn other people's ideals |
| 16:11.25 | tmzt | ali1234: that choice as far as the g1 came a month or so after the device was released |
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| 16:19.31 | dcordes | goes reading The Economist |
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| 16:59.56 | Ben- | hi all |
| 17:00.09 | xkennyx | hi :) |
| 17:00.18 | Ben- | does linux on htx mean android on htc? |
| 17:00.24 | Ben- | *htc |
| 17:01.51 | tmzt | yes |
| 17:02.02 | tmzt | but not just android, other linux distributions also |
| 17:02.07 | tmzt | what device? |
| 17:02.30 | Ben- | my one is blackstone (HTC Touch HD) |
| 17:02.59 | Ben- | and i will donate if you get this stuff running on blackstone :x |
| 17:03.08 | Ben- | windows mobile really piss me off |
| 17:03.15 | tmzt | I don't know what state the kernel is in or where that development is taking place |
| 17:03.35 | Ben- | which device are you concentrating on? |
| 17:03.41 | Ben- | or htc in general` |
| 17:03.42 | Ben- | ? |
| 17:04.16 | tmzt | msm, pxa, omap, so htc in general |
| 17:04.28 | Ben- | okay |
| 17:04.31 | Ben- | great |
| 17:04.40 | Ben- | i love you guys for this :-* |
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| 18:10.30 | Fjodor | BabelO: ping? |
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| 19:01.52 | NetRipper | dcordes, pong |
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| 19:09.16 | asj_xda | hi all |
| 19:09.41 | tmzt | NetRipper: know anything about HD? |
| 19:12.14 | baard | Does anyone know how to produce the pipe-symbol "|" on the HTC TyTN II android terminal? |
| 19:12.48 | ali1234 | dot-space? |
| 19:13.38 | dcordes | baard: in the kernel I use it's shift+camera0 |
| 19:14.42 | dcordes | NetRipper: can we have defconfigs for all of the machines? |
| 19:15.05 | baard | ali1234: dot-space as in "." followed by the spacebar? Didn't work here. |
| 19:15.18 | dcordes | NetRipper: for automation (OE, other autobuild providers..) |
| 19:15.27 | baard | dcordes: camera0 as in the camera-button on the side? |
| 19:15.36 | baard | dcordes: Didn't work either. |
| 19:15.48 | dcordes | baard: yea half press. then you have to remap |
| 19:16.16 | baard | dcordes: Does the att-tilt option have anything to say? Mine is turned off. |
| 19:16.16 | ali1234 | dot-space and in fn-space |
| 19:16.35 | dcordes | baard: lost track a bit of the recent kaiser kernel |
| 19:17.06 | dcordes | baard: is it a kernel config? it probably remaps the keyboard |
| 19:17.34 | baard | dcordes: Yes, it's a kernel config. It had to do with the AT&T models that featured a different layout than the rest. |
| 19:17.43 | NetRipper | dcordes, they can all build the htcraphael_defconfig |
| 19:17.45 | dcordes | good |
| 19:17.51 | baard | dcordes: Mine is norwegian anyways, so I could just as well erase all the labels.. :P |
| 19:18.10 | NetRipper | dcordes, in fact, only one zImage is needed for all raphael/diamond devices |
| 19:18.12 | dcordes | baard: or put the norwegian config |
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| 19:18.34 | dcordes | NetRipper: good |
| 19:18.43 | baard | ali1234: What did you mean by "dot space and in fn-space"? |
| 19:19.14 | ali1234 | baard: you know the key you press to type a number? press that key and space at the same time |
| 19:19.20 | captnoord | asks baard if his nickname is derived from "bakken met baard" |
| 19:19.37 | captnoord | sorry |
| 19:19.38 | baard | ali1234: That just produced a regular whitespace. |
| 19:19.47 | ali1234 | baard: then i don't know :/ |
| 19:19.53 | ali1234 | baard: you'll have to look at kernel source |
| 19:20.15 | baard | captnoord: I dunno. My parents named me Baard. :) |
| 19:20.35 | captnoord | :D |
| 19:20.36 | captnoord | cool |
| 19:20.40 | captnoord | coole naam |
| 19:20.40 | captnoord | :D |
| 19:21.02 | dcordes | baard: http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/board-kaiser-keypad.c;h=b9d9f62cc0cc9fcce76df2511355f9793629dd33;hb=refs/heads/htc-msm this is the old kernel. it has Camera + Shift = <Pipe> |
| 19:21.57 | baard | Thanks, I'll browse the code and try a remapping of the keyboard. |
| 19:22.08 | baard | The latest build should have some way of producing a pipe. |
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| 19:22.14 | baard | The terminal is quite useless without it. |
| 19:22.20 | dcordes | baard: if you make the norwegian keymap, patches are always welcome |
| 19:22.31 | baard | Sure, I'll try that. It |
| 19:22.49 | dcordes | baard: are there other disturbing things for console use? I have seen some gpio debugging last time I built |
| 19:22.50 | baard | It's the same keyboard in sweden. |
| 19:22.52 | captnoord | baard I tought you where dutch |
| 19:22.52 | captnoord | :P |
| 19:22.55 | tmzt | NetRipper: I mean to ask about Touch HD though |
| 19:23.24 | baard | dcordes: No, not really. |
| 19:23.25 | dcordes | tmzt: blackstone still has the panel problem? |
| 19:23.37 | NetRipper | tmzt, i dont know much about the HD |
| 19:23.41 | tmzt | don't know, is there a kernel built for it? |
| 19:23.42 | dcordes | there were some people who attempted to solve it |
| 19:23.49 | dcordes | was it marbalon who got one? |
| 19:23.59 | dcordes | tmzt: you can use the raphael builds |
| 19:24.02 | tmzt | some people where asking about it here and in #xda-devs yesterday |
| 19:24.10 | NetRipper | did the HD have the unreadable distortions or was it readable but too small? |
| 19:24.47 | dcordes | NetRipper: blackstone has the garbaged unreadable distortions |
| 19:24.53 | NetRipper | ok |
| 19:25.06 | NetRipper | i have something i'd like to try, but i'll need a blackstone user |
| 19:25.15 | NetRipper | s/user/owner/ |
| 19:25.48 | tmzt | Ben-: you here? |
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| 19:26.01 | Ben- | yeah |
| 19:27.11 | NetRipper | Ben-, you have a diamond HD? |
| 19:27.26 | Ben- | No, srry. |
| 19:27.28 | Ben- | Blackstone |
| 19:27.32 | Ben- | aka Touch HD |
| 19:27.43 | asj_xda | thas it ?D) |
| 19:28.01 | asj_xda | NetRipper Here you have one owner :D |
| 19:28.01 | dcordes | blackstone = touch hd |
| 19:28.08 | NetRipper | ah yes thats what i meant |
| 19:28.16 | asj_xda | :D |
| 19:28.25 | Ben- | :D |
| 19:29.17 | NetRipper | Ben-, have you tried other kernels yet? |
| 19:29.25 | Ben- | no :x |
| 19:31.28 | NetRipper | download all files from this url, into a directory on your storage card.. use the 'activesync mode' while doing so |
| 19:31.31 | NetRipper | http://netripper.com/raphael/20081204-01_raph_diam_angstrom_usb/ |
| 19:32.09 | captnoord | NetRipper: that is a "kinda" proper kernel build? |
| 19:32.23 | NetRipper | don't boot yet, you'll get a different zImage from me |
| 19:32.34 | captnoord | I see |
| 19:32.44 | captnoord | can I help you in some way.... with this? |
| 19:32.51 | captnoord | testing and stuff |
| 19:32.57 | NetRipper | which device do you have? |
| 19:33.05 | captnoord | mda vario 4 |
| 19:33.09 | NetRipper | touch pro |
| 19:33.09 | captnoord | the raphael 800 |
| 19:33.12 | captnoord | as it seems |
| 19:33.18 | NetRipper | werent you dutch? |
| 19:33.23 | Ben- | can it destroy anything? :x |
| 19:33.32 | Ben- | actually im downloading and searching usb cable |
| 19:33.32 | captnoord | http://media.pdamobile.cz/mda-vario-4-1.jpg |
| 19:33.33 | captnoord | that one |
| 19:33.42 | captnoord | NetRipper: "JA IKKE BENNE NEDERLANSCHE" |
| 19:33.43 | captnoord | lol |
| 19:34.11 | NetRipper | Ben-, there's always that odd chance.. but havent had a single report of a broken device though yet... (only some cases where a hard reset was needed to get application to run again) |
| 19:34.24 | NetRipper | captnoord, then you have the raph100 |
| 19:34.32 | NetRipper | raph800 is CDMA, raph100 is GSM |
| 19:34.47 | Ben- | well |
| 19:34.52 | Ben- | i have my business stuff on it |
| 19:34.56 | captnoord | I see |
| 19:34.58 | Ben- | so i hope you are right 8D |
| 19:35.11 | captnoord | the 100 doesn't boot the android build I downloaded |
| 19:35.13 | captnoord | the 800 build did |
| 19:35.14 | captnoord | but |
| 19:35.18 | captnoord | can be me |
| 19:35.19 | captnoord | :P |
| 19:35.25 | NetRipper | Ben-, backup your contacts calenders etc... else i'll wait for another touch hd user ;) |
| 19:35.37 | NetRipper | if you dont trust it |
| 19:35.37 | NetRipper | :) |
| 19:35.46 | Ben- | well i do it |
| 19:35.46 | dcordes | NetRipper: when octavian tested nand in android? |
| 19:35.48 | Ben- | sec. |
| 19:35.57 | NetRipper | captnoord, which MTYPE did you use? |
| 19:36.08 | captnoord | please define mtype |
| 19:36.18 | NetRipper | default.txt contains a "set MTYPE" line |
| 19:36.18 | captnoord | .#define <unknown> MTYPE |
| 19:36.27 | captnoord | for the 800? |
| 19:36.33 | NetRipper | no im asking which one you used |
| 19:36.33 | NetRipper | ;) |
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| 19:36.55 | NetRipper | you had a haret.exe, default.txt, some initrd and a zImage |
| 19:37.05 | NetRipper | in the default.txt there's a line set MTYPE, what number is behind it? |
| 19:37.09 | Ben- | have copied it |
| 19:37.11 | NetRipper | on the setup where android worked |
| 19:37.19 | NetRipper | Ben-, ok, sec. |
| 19:37.21 | captnoord | k |
| 19:37.21 | captnoord | lemme check |
| 19:37.21 | captnoord | 1910 |
| 19:37.29 | NetRipper | captnoord, that's the raph100 mtype |
| 19:37.40 | captnoord | .#define 1910 MTYPE |
| 19:37.43 | captnoord | k |
| 19:37.45 | captnoord | I see |
| 19:37.46 | NetRipper | so actualy |
| 19:37.49 | NetRipper | #define mtype 1910 |
| 19:37.51 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 19:37.56 | captnoord | then my head is fucked up |
| 19:38.15 | captnoord | lol I mixed up typedef and define |
| 19:38.16 | captnoord | lol |
| 19:38.17 | captnoord | hahaha |
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| 19:38.53 | NetRipper | Ben-, open up your default.txt in notepad or something |
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| 19:40.09 | Ben- | yeah |
| 19:40.18 | NetRipper | change the mtype to 2039 |
| 19:40.19 | Ben- | set cmdline "mem=96M" |
| 19:40.20 | Ben- | oO |
| 19:40.24 | Ben- | ok |
| 19:40.27 | NetRipper | then |
| 19:40.45 | NetRipper | oi im going to have to type something.. |
| 19:40.53 | NetRipper | change the set cmdline to: |
| 19:41.44 | NetRipper | set cmdline "msmts_calib=0x6D.0x5D.0x340.0x375 msmvkeyb_toggle=hide lpj=2637824" |
| 19:42.16 | NetRipper | then save the file and put it on your phone again |
| 19:43.08 | NetRipper | then download this new zImage: http://netripper.com/raphael/zImage-raph800-02 |
| 19:43.30 | NetRipper | and also copy it to your phone (overwrite the old one) |
| 19:43.54 | Ben- | so i rename it |
| 19:44.05 | NetRipper | no |
| 19:44.07 | NetRipper | just overwrite |
| 19:44.14 | NetRipper | ah yes |
| 19:44.19 | NetRipper | rename it to zImage, then overwrite |
| 19:44.19 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 19:44.22 | Ben- | oke |
| 19:44.23 | Ben- | done |
| 19:44.28 | NetRipper | start haret.exe |
| 19:44.30 | NetRipper | and boot |
| 19:44.32 | NetRipper | click run |
| 19:44.33 | NetRipper | i mean |
| 19:44.44 | Ben- | on pc or on blackstone? |
| 19:44.49 | NetRipper | on blackstone |
| 19:44.53 | Ben- | k |
| 19:44.53 | NetRipper | haret wont run on pc |
| 19:45.19 | captnoord | boots windows ce device emulator |
| 19:45.19 | captnoord | :P |
| 19:45.29 | captnoord | lol |
| 19:45.38 | NetRipper | hm, never tried haret in a device emulator |
| 19:45.43 | NetRipper | wonder if it'd crash the vm |
| 19:45.58 | Ben- | looks like... |
| 19:45.59 | Ben- | not so good |
| 19:46.09 | NetRipper | you see stuff happening? |
| 19:46.13 | NetRipper | black screen? |
| 19:46.17 | NetRipper | should be garbled at firts |
| 19:46.18 | NetRipper | first |
| 19:46.22 | captnoord | NetRipper: I can try when I have my development stuff setup |
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| 19:46.25 | Ben- | helf black with white dots, half white with black dots |
| 19:46.41 | NetRipper | hm |
| 19:46.48 | NetRipper | can you make a picture? |
| 19:46.55 | Ben- | oh |
| 19:47.02 | Ben- | dont know how |
| 19:47.06 | dcordes | NetRipper: what's the patch? |
| 19:47.06 | Ben- | no cam here |
| 19:47.07 | Ben- | iirc |
| 19:47.08 | NetRipper | with a photo camera |
| 19:47.18 | captnoord | Ben- webcam? |
| 19:47.20 | Ben- | well i see a part of the installed explorer |
| 19:47.25 | Ben- | ah yeah |
| 19:47.26 | Ben- | w8 |
| 19:47.39 | NetRipper | dcordes, first of all we changed the memory map quite a bit.. secondly, regarding the panel, we're setting width/height, while there's also a xres and yres |
| 19:47.50 | NetRipper | which is used in the msmfb |
| 19:48.32 | NetRipper | to be honest i think i should just hijack the touch hd of my colleague sometime when he isnt looking |
| 19:49.36 | Ben- | NetRipper: http://www.madeofwin.de/204731.jpg |
| 19:50.03 | NetRipper | hm |
| 19:50.12 | NetRipper | looks colorful at the top |
| 19:50.25 | Ben- | some red green and blue lines |
| 19:50.35 | NetRipper | but its definitely not a fix |
| 19:50.54 | captnoord | NetRipper: isn't there a way to make a small dump app so it dumps stuff to usb... |
| 19:51.08 | captnoord | or can't you dump stuff |
| 19:51.11 | captnoord | from the framebuffer |
| 19:51.13 | NetRipper | well in fact you can probably ssh to your phone now |
| 19:51.28 | NetRipper | just the screen is fucked up, the rest should work |
| 19:51.30 | captnoord | that would be interesting because you can kinda login into my phone |
| 19:51.31 | captnoord | :P |
| 19:52.04 | NetRipper | but you'll need a linux machine with kernel 2.6.25+ for it |
| 19:52.39 | captnoord | if you wished |
| 19:52.39 | captnoord | :P |
| 19:52.39 | captnoord | it requires a bit of fath... but |
| 19:52.39 | captnoord | thats all |
| 19:52.39 | captnoord | faith* |
| 19:53.06 | captnoord | yup |
| 19:53.13 | NetRipper | i think it has to do with bitpacking and perhaps that the touch hd has 24bpp instead of 16bpp |
| 19:53.25 | NetRipper | at least thats what it looks like to me |
| 19:53.41 | NetRipper | not sure about the specs of the panel though |
| 19:53.49 | dcordes | hm I wonder who are the ppl who have done research on the issue |
| 19:54.21 | NetRipper | j0b0 did some research ont he raph800, with the color issue |
| 19:54.26 | captnoord | netripper |
| 19:54.31 | captnoord | thats something you can check |
| 19:54.38 | captnoord | if you add pixels like |
| 19:54.42 | dcordes | no I mean on the blackstone |
| 19:54.44 | captnoord | 0xFF 0x00 |
| 19:54.55 | captnoord | which means you should get red |
| 19:55.02 | captnoord | bigtime |
| 19:55.05 | captnoord | and stuff like that |
| 19:55.22 | NetRipper | 0xFF 0x00 0xFF 0x00, you mean like that? |
| 19:55.26 | captnoord | yup |
| 19:55.41 | captnoord | because its a diff alligment |
| 19:55.52 | captnoord | the 16 bits are of course 2x 8 bitters |
| 19:56.01 | captnoord | and the 24 bits are of course 3 8 bitters |
| 19:56.17 | captnoord | resulting in a pattern on a 24 bits bitpack |
| 19:56.22 | captnoord | and crap on a 16 bits |
| 19:56.31 | captnoord | arg |
| 19:56.33 | captnoord | I mean |
| 19:56.37 | captnoord | switch those around |
| 19:56.41 | captnoord | pattern on 16 bits |
| 19:56.46 | captnoord | and crap on 24 bits |
| 19:56.58 | NetRipper | the other way around made more sence to me |
| 19:56.59 | NetRipper | lol |
| 19:57.11 | NetRipper | im not into this bitpacking stuff |
| 19:57.34 | captnoord | the pro |
| 19:57.38 | captnoord | has a 32 bits proc? |
| 19:57.57 | NetRipper | yes |
| 19:58.00 | captnoord | k |
| 19:58.17 | captnoord | then making it use 24 bits is kinda useless |
| 19:58.21 | captnoord | and cpu intencive |
| 19:58.32 | NetRipper | well |
| 19:58.45 | captnoord | but hell |
| 19:58.52 | NetRipper | htc and qc aren't always known for their bright decisions |
| 19:58.52 | captnoord | its a hardware lcfd |
| 19:58.54 | captnoord | lcd |
| 19:59.29 | captnoord | also |
| 19:59.30 | NetRipper | but for that matter, maybe it's even 32 bits |
| 19:59.30 | captnoord | also |
| 19:59.34 | captnoord | 16 bits / 3 |
| 19:59.39 | captnoord | is 5 bits per color |
| 19:59.41 | captnoord | + some extra |
| 19:59.54 | melgurth | hello guys |
| 19:59.55 | captnoord | 1 bit extra |
| 20:00.00 | NetRipper | hence rgb 565 |
| 20:00.02 | captnoord | in the chunk |
| 20:00.10 | captnoord | yea |
| 20:00.14 | captnoord | also possible |
| 20:00.14 | captnoord | : |
| 20:00.15 | captnoord | :P |
| 20:00.22 | captnoord | 24 bits is a bit easier |
| 20:00.23 | captnoord | :P |
| 20:00.32 | NetRipper | it's 565 on the touch pro/diamond GSM devices |
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| 20:00.45 | captnoord | you should be able to check it with the chip |
| 20:00.46 | NetRipper | it seems to be 444 on the touch pro/diam cDMA devices |
| 20:00.52 | captnoord | as you can get a readout |
| 20:00.56 | captnoord | 4? |
| 20:00.57 | NetRipper | the readout is faulty |
| 20:01.00 | captnoord | 4 bits per color |
| 20:01.06 | melgurth | I'm working on kernel to SGH - i780 and could use some help if you don't mind |
| 20:01.09 | NetRipper | yes |
| 20:01.18 | captnoord | and you know the reason of the faulty readout |
| 20:01.32 | captnoord | or its just because those guys at htc don't want you guys to read it proper |
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| 20:02.03 | NetRipper | no we dont know the reason |
| 20:02.10 | NetRipper | might be a different chip |
| 20:02.27 | captnoord | so its quite possible that its reason why its not reading the correct stuff |
| 20:02.35 | captnoord | cause other bugs |
| 20:02.45 | NetRipper | well the only thing on mddi is the panel |
| 20:02.46 | dcordes | melgurth: hey that's interesting |
| 20:02.51 | NetRipper | so it'd only be mddi related |
| 20:03.18 | captnoord | hmmm k |
| 20:03.20 | dcordes | melgurth: PXA310 ? |
| 20:03.24 | captnoord | is there a way I can check that? |
| 20:03.26 | captnoord | for you? |
| 20:03.47 | NetRipper | captnoord, you have the same device as i do |
| 20:04.06 | captnoord | then its not worth it |
| 20:04.08 | captnoord | k |
| 20:04.09 | NetRipper | :) |
| 20:04.16 | captnoord | I tought you needed one like the one I had |
| 20:04.33 | captnoord | hopes for a fully working kernel rizes |
| 20:04.35 | NetRipper | on the raph/diam100 we the mddi readout is good, we get valid data |
| 20:05.07 | NetRipper | on the raph/diam800 we get invalid data, but we can fix it by simply setting width/height correctly... whicho nly leaves us with a bitpacking issue in android (in X it works fine) |
| 20:05.25 | NetRipper | on the touch hd (blac100) we get invalid data, and we cant fix it by setting width/height |
| 20:05.32 | captnoord | also... that haret app...does it do internal stuff..... |
| 20:05.45 | NetRipper | define internal stuff |
| 20:05.56 | captnoord | as in required device stuff.... |
| 20:06.09 | captnoord | it forwards hardware stuff |
| 20:06.12 | captnoord | or |
| 20:06.18 | NetRipper | no it totally shuts wince down |
| 20:06.19 | captnoord | its just a "piggy bagg" bootloader |
| 20:06.21 | arez | Hi, |
| 20:06.25 | captnoord | I see |
| 20:06.35 | captnoord | so its a bootloader |
| 20:06.47 | captnoord | not something else |
| 20:06.48 | captnoord | :D |
| 20:07.18 | NetRipper | yes its a bootloader, it disables interrupts, disables the memory unit, positions the kernel properly and does the jump to the linux kernel |
| 20:07.31 | captnoord | and enables the stuff again |
| 20:07.32 | captnoord | I see |
| 20:07.37 | NetRipper | no that's the linux kernels job again |
| 20:07.37 | arez | @NetRipper: maybe you can have a look at post #332 and post #336 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=468360&page=34 I'm not a programmer, but this sounds equal to your probs for me :) |
| 20:07.45 | captnoord | k |
| 20:08.34 | NetRipper | arez, thanks, looks interesting, i'll read that in a bit |
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| 20:09.53 | NetRipper | im off for a bit again |
| 20:10.08 | NetRipper | Ben-, thanks for your efforts so far.. if i have something else to test, i'll give a shout :p |
| 20:10.29 | NetRipper | capt also thanks for thinking along, even though he quitted :P |
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| 20:12.23 | NetRipper | Ben-, btw, in case you're wondering, you can just soft reset and live happily in wince again.. |
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| 20:12.46 | NetRipper | (or just remove and put back the battery) :) |
| 20:12.53 | NetRipper | hi cr2 |
| 20:13.07 | NetRipper | i gtg for a while, i'll be back somewhere tonight |
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| 20:48.06 | cr2 | NetRipper: i'll check what blac100 uses for the usb phy |
| 20:49.47 | captnoord | wasn't he gone? |
| 20:49.47 | captnoord | :P |
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| 20:55.15 | cr2 | captnoord: he will read the log |
| 20:55.27 | captnoord | I know.... |
| 20:55.33 | cr2 | NetRipper: the blac100 is like raph800 |
| 20:55.54 | captnoord | i'm more screwing around because I waisted a entire day |
| 20:55.54 | captnoord | :( |
| 20:56.36 | cr2 | NetRipper: 4,0x48 ; 0x3a, 0x10; msleep 5; 0x3b, 0x10 |
| 21:00.14 | cr2 | gpio is 0x64. but this code needs some better inspection. |
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| 21:06.07 | cr2 | hmm. rechecked the raph800. it looks more complex. |
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| 21:14.13 | cr2 | maejrep: tough shit. i have a new original idea about raph800 lcd |
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| 21:14.37 | cr2 | dcordes: are you doing the lcd init ? |
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| 21:20.37 | NetRipper | cr2, ok, though we dont support the blackstone int he kernel yet, it seems pretty much it can use the diam800 mtype |
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| 21:22.47 | cr2 | NetRipper: it seems to me that raph800/blac100 have 2 chips. epson and some other epson chip (!=g1 and raph100) |
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| 21:22.55 | captnoord | lol this isn't something I should do often.... |
| 21:23.00 | NetRipper | ok |
| 21:23.20 | cr2 | the raph800/blac100 toshiba chip is someting like what is used on kaiser & co. |
| 21:23.54 | NetRipper | 21:56:36 < cr2> NetRipper: 4,0x48 ; 0x3a, 0x10; msleep 5; 0x3b, 0x10 |
| 21:23.59 | captnoord | you cant be more spec? maybe type of the chip? |
| 21:24.25 | NetRipper | wasnt the sleep between setting the gpio? |
| 21:24.34 | NetRipper | raph100 has no msleep between setting these values |
| 21:25.55 | cr2 | NetRipper: raph100 is like g1. others are more different |
| 21:25.57 | NetRipper | cr2, and for blac100/raph800 is it also leaving the first pair out to enable host mode? |
| 21:26.07 | cr2 | NetRipper: i need to check this phy reset code. |
| 21:26.31 | cr2 | i don't know. the code structure is different |
| 21:27.05 | NetRipper | ok |
| 21:28.30 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.54 | cr2 | #define USB_OTGSC (MSM_USB_BASE + 0x01A4) |
| 21:28.56 | cr2 | 46 #define USB_USBMODE (MSM_USB_BASE + 0x01A8) |
| 21:28.57 | cr2 | 47 # |
| 21:29.50 | cr2 | the ULPI bits are documented |
| 21:30.42 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.50 | cr2 | that looks familiar |
| 21:31.31 | cr2 | but on raph800 there is a one-param function too |
| 21:33.51 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.52 | cr2 | 1070 writel(0x12, USB_USBMODE); |
| 21:33.54 | cr2 | 1071 |
| 21:35.22 | cr2 | NetRipper: hmm. these may be some kaiser remnants. |
| 21:35.29 | NetRipper | remnants? |
| 21:36.10 | cr2 | in the spl |
| 21:36.14 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.15 | cr2 | 1095 writel(0x00080001, USB_USBCMD); |
| 21:37.34 | cr2 | the pairs are (val,reg) |
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| 21:38.59 | cr2 | d,1d; 10,1d |
| 21:39.08 | NetRipper | ok |
| 21:39.22 | NetRipper | it's something the usb driver does |
| 21:40.04 | NetRipper | why are different regs written between raph100 and raph800? and some regs are written twice? |
| 21:40.25 | cr2 | need to check |
| 21:42.21 | cr2 | ah, the 1param func may be ulpi_read :) |
| 21:44.30 | cr2 | so it's ulpi_read(0x15) after msleep 5 |
| 21:45.17 | cr2 | and the result is checked to be =2 or not |
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| 21:46.27 | cr2 | the googel code writes to reg 6,8,f,12 |
| 21:46.32 | sleepr | any news on getting android running on the raphael? the wiki doesnt seem to show any recent progress, so ill have to ask here. as i hope there has been some :P |
| 21:46.44 | captnoord | lol |
| 21:46.48 | captnoord | its running on mine |
| 21:46.52 | cr2 | and the init |
| 21:47.03 | sleepr | fully working? |
| 21:47.06 | NetRipper | no |
| 21:47.21 | NetRipper | there's progress, but it's not visible for end-users |
| 21:47.26 | captnoord | sleepr come back in 6 months |
| 21:47.27 | captnoord | okey |
| 21:47.54 | sleepr | is it that different from, like the vogue? |
| 21:48.07 | captnoord | yup..... |
| 21:48.09 | captnoord | diff hardware |
| 21:48.16 | captnoord | diff device drivers need to be writen |
| 21:48.23 | captnoord | and that isn't dont in a day |
| 21:48.35 | sleepr | yea i know that, but i didnt think it would take that much longer. :( |
| 21:48.44 | captnoord | lol |
| 21:48.49 | captnoord | then.... i'm sorry for you |
| 21:48.56 | captnoord | and suggest you start learn to code |
| 21:49.03 | cr2 | NetRipper: d and 10 for host ? |
| 21:49.07 | sleepr | if i had the time i would :) |
| 21:49.13 | captnoord | then |
| 21:49.14 | captnoord | wait |
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| 21:49.42 | NetRipper | cr2, yes, thats for raph100.. on raph800 you set regs 0x48, 0x10 and then 0x10 again |
| 21:50.03 | NetRipper | i'll have to look into the usb driver to see how it actually handles the avlues |
| 21:50.06 | NetRipper | values* |
| 21:50.17 | sleepr | im sorry if i come off as impatient, im really not. im just curious |
| 21:50.34 | captnoord | good |
| 21:50.35 | captnoord | :D |
| 21:50.39 | sleepr | :) |
| 21:50.41 | captnoord | because time is all it takes |
| 21:50.46 | captnoord | time + effort |
| 21:50.58 | NetRipper | yea too bad it's not just time |
| 21:51.15 | captnoord | the best thing you can do is learn about your own device |
| 21:51.18 | captnoord | if its a 100 |
| 21:51.20 | captnoord | a 800 |
| 21:51.23 | sleepr | yea of course, and i think your doing a great job. and if i could i gladly pay you all to work full time with it :) |
| 21:51.25 | captnoord | check the wiki often for changes |
| 21:51.28 | captnoord | I am not |
| 21:51.33 | captnoord | I haven't done shit |
| 21:51.48 | captnoord | but I am bussy with a diff project and hang around here |
| 21:51.55 | captnoord | i'm rewriting a server project |
| 21:51.56 | sleepr | oh ok :) |
| 21:52.09 | captnoord | and I've been coding for like 7 months on it |
| 21:52.13 | captnoord | and now it seems to pay off |
| 21:52.47 | captnoord | but I'm just hanging here |
| 21:52.50 | captnoord | hoping that I can help |
| 21:52.52 | captnoord | in some way |
| 21:53.34 | sleepr | i used to code in school, cpp. but i cant really remember too much. and now work and my family takes to much time for me to actually start too code again :-) |
| 21:53.41 | sleepr | thats awsome man |
| 21:53.57 | captnoord | depending on your platform just start |
| 21:54.03 | sleepr | im just here to observer from time to time and ask stupid questions :) |
| 21:54.08 | captnoord | spend a hour a day on it |
| 21:54.18 | captnoord | and you will eventually get the jazz back |
| 21:54.38 | sleepr | wish i could, i barely have the time to check this out, i should be working atm :) |
| 21:54.55 | captnoord | what do you do? |
| 21:55.09 | sleepr | i work for a telecom company in sweden :D |
| 21:55.32 | sleepr | lots of different stuff |
| 21:55.42 | captnoord | I see, but that doesn't tell me **** |
| 21:56.03 | sleepr | cant really say anything |
| 21:56.09 | captnoord | k |
| 21:56.12 | captnoord | good anough |
| 21:56.18 | captnoord | if you can't you can't |
| 21:56.30 | sleepr | well, i could. but i would lose my job :) |
| 21:56.31 | Temujin | woot, someone else whos at work! |
| 21:56.55 | captnoord | I should be working.....:P |
| 21:57.01 | Temujin | :p |
| 21:57.05 | captnoord | but i wasn't in the mood for vb script |
| 21:57.06 | sleepr | and i need to get back to the other comp. nice chatting guys, good look. im looking forward for all your progress! |
| 21:57.15 | sleepr | bb |
| 21:57.16 | captnoord | end secretly i'm rewriting everything in cpp |
| 21:57.52 | Temujin | nice :) |
| 21:58.06 | melgurth | guys anyone know is there possibilty to remap device keys (input: PXA27x Keypad as > /class/input/input0 ) |
| 21:58.23 | cr2 | #define USBMODE_DEVICE 2 |
| 21:58.25 | cr2 | 60 #define USBMODE_HOST 3 |
| 21:58.27 | cr2 | 61 |
| 21:58.33 | cr2 | NetRipper: ok, these are the lower bits |
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| 22:06.23 | captnoord | NetRipper: nice website |
| 22:06.37 | NetRipper | cr2, ok it actually waits for completion, so it's no problem that there's written to the same reg twice probably |
| 22:06.47 | NetRipper | captnoord, which one? |
| 22:06.54 | captnoord | NetRipper.nl |
| 22:06.57 | NetRipper | ah ok |
| 22:07.00 | NetRipper | thx |
| 22:07.03 | NetRipper | it's kinda ancient |
| 22:07.10 | captnoord | yea I know how that goes..... |
| 22:07.11 | captnoord | :P |
| 22:07.22 | NetRipper | :) |
| 22:07.59 | NetRipper | its using my own cms though, which is nice ;) |
| 22:08.30 | captnoord | i'm not really into the website's anymore |
| 22:08.36 | captnoord | even that i have my own |
| 22:08.43 | captnoord | and exprimenting with a blog |
| 22:09.21 | NetRipper | i've been stupid enough to take on a new job.. while i dont really have the time for it |
| 22:09.24 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 22:09.58 | captnoord | lol |
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| 22:20.06 | dcordes | cr2: kovsky lcd init? |
| 22:20.35 | NetRipper | captnoord, try a decent irc client, instead of web stuff |
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| 22:23.01 | NetRipper | so, it seems someone got display working on touch HD, but in a very inefficient way... they skip mdp and write directly to mddi |
| 22:23.21 | NetRipper | someone said 2 frames per second |
| 22:23.23 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 22:23.40 | captnoord | NetRipper: its not that |
| 22:23.49 | captnoord | i'm reinstalling my pc |
| 22:23.50 | NetRipper | so the problem is at the MDP |
| 22:23.52 | captnoord | meaning endless reboots |
| 22:24.15 | NetRipper | good oppurtunity to try windows 7 beta |
| 22:24.16 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 22:24.34 | captnoord | nope |
| 22:24.35 | dcordes | captnoord: endless reboots for what? |
| 22:24.37 | captnoord | not in the mood |
| 22:24.40 | captnoord | updates |
| 22:24.46 | captnoord | getting stuff working again |
| 22:24.53 | captnoord | uninstall branded shit |
| 22:24.58 | captnoord | drivers |
| 22:25.05 | captnoord | the works |
| 22:25.11 | NetRipper | oh yea, this being a linux chan, i should say "install linux, you'll only need 1 reboot to update everything" |
| 22:25.23 | captnoord | I have ubuntu installed |
| 22:25.27 | captnoord | which I use often |
| 22:26.08 | NetRipper | :) |
| 22:26.10 | NetRipper | same here |
| 22:26.18 | NetRipper | but my main pc is vista |
| 22:26.28 | NetRipper | gaming on linux sucks ;) |
| 22:26.33 | captnoord | yup |
| 22:26.36 | NetRipper | unless you're a huge fan of tux racer of course |
| 22:26.38 | captnoord | fallout3 is nice |
| 22:26.38 | captnoord | :P |
| 22:26.50 | dcordes | I play red alert 3 a bit |
| 22:27.04 | dcordes | and other cnc games |
| 22:27.06 | NetRipper | im emberassed to mention world of warcraft |
| 22:27.36 | captnoord | NetRipper: I used to be one of the top dogs in wow server emu shit...... ( also known as emo scene ) |
| 22:27.38 | captnoord | but I left |
| 22:28.18 | exco_ | What do I need to learn to get into kernel developing? |
| 22:28.26 | NetRipper | i played it for 6 months right after it was released.. then stopped for 2 years.. then started playing a bit a few months ago again |
| 22:28.29 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 22:28.29 | captnoord | C |
| 22:28.37 | captnoord | hehe |
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| 22:28.48 | captnoord | and learn how to research |
| 22:28.50 | captnoord | to fiddle |
| 22:29.08 | captnoord | brb |
| 22:29.12 | captnoord | need to switch os |
| 22:29.15 | NetRipper | hf |
| 22:29.44 | exco_ | just plain C and how chips communicate and how to trace that with HaRET and how to build drivers with a datasheet ...? |
| 22:32.13 | exco_ | do you use an IDE to code? |
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| 22:39.15 | NetRipper | exco_, i wish there was an IDE that could be used in conjunction with thousands and thousands of files in a project.. but every IDE that i tried, were unusable |
| 22:39.44 | NetRipper | im just using jEdit currently.. |
| 22:40.17 | NetRipper | i'd still prefer an IDE that would give light code/tab-completion |
| 22:40.30 | NetRipper | in case anyone has any ideas ;) |
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| 22:40.50 | exco_ | Eclipse? |
| 22:41.07 | exco_ | ok ... not really light |
| 22:41.51 | NetRipper | havent tried eclipse |
| 22:42.54 | NetRipper | tried code::blocks and anjuta |
| 22:43.02 | captnoord | its a java IDE |
| 22:43.12 | NetRipper | it supports other languages too |
| 22:43.12 | exco_ | http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/ |
| 22:43.15 | captnoord | and I haven't found a IDE that works for me |
| 22:43.17 | captnoord | NetRipper: yea |
| 22:43.19 | captnoord | true |
| 22:43.24 | captnoord | but still its designed for java |
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| 22:43.42 | exco_ | eclipse? |
| 22:44.06 | captnoord | O btw have I mentioned its slow? |
| 22:44.07 | captnoord | :P |
| 22:44.16 | NetRipper | buy a decent machine |
| 22:44.29 | captnoord | a asus g1s |
| 22:44.30 | captnoord | ? |
| 22:44.43 | captnoord | is decent |
| 22:44.51 | NetRipper | i dont know it |
| 22:45.07 | captnoord | 2.2 ghz dual core..... |
| 22:45.12 | captnoord | 2g ram |
| 22:45.17 | captnoord | gaat wel vlot hor |
| 22:45.24 | exco_ | yeah, it's decent http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Asus-G1S-Notebook.3846.0.html |
| 22:45.37 | NetRipper | ah ok |
| 22:45.47 | NetRipper | if eclipse is slow on that.. you did something wrong lol |
| 22:45.52 | exco_ | I wouldn't call it notebook though ;-) |
| 22:46.11 | captnoord | exco_: its my desktop replacement |
| 22:46.25 | captnoord | NetRipper: for me it doesn't feel natural and a bit unresponcive.... |
| 22:46.35 | captnoord | and I kinda hate to search for things |
| 22:46.47 | captnoord | when I do not code |
| 22:46.48 | captnoord | or |
| 22:46.49 | captnoord | game |
| 22:46.55 | captnoord | i'm on ubuntu |
| 22:47.09 | exco_ | I'm thinking about going back to a real desktop PC (although I told myself a few years ago I needn't get one ever again) - those Core2Quads are just sooo fast |
| 22:47.10 | NetRipper | i got a gaming laptop too.. for its sheer performance |
| 22:47.28 | NetRipper | exco_, if you're going back, get an i7 while you're at it |
| 22:47.44 | exco_ | i7 is not enough bang for the buck ;-) |
| 22:48.03 | captnoord | there was a notebook that got a i7 |
| 22:48.14 | NetRipper | lol they put it in a notebook already? |
| 22:48.18 | NetRipper | nice |
| 22:48.53 | exco_ | notebooks should be silent and not heating elements |
| 22:49.06 | captnoord | http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58186/eurocom-stopt-core-i7-cpu-in-laptop.html |
| 22:49.21 | NetRipper | exco_, the extreme editions of the i7 and the c2q match now, but the platform is a lot more promising |
| 22:49.32 | captnoord | yup |
| 22:49.38 | captnoord | merged memory stuff |
| 22:49.39 | captnoord | :D |
| 22:49.42 | NetRipper | yes |
| 22:49.45 | exco_ | I put a 1.2C2D ULV in my fileserver ... 7W TDP |
| 22:49.51 | captnoord | best thing they have done in years |
| 22:49.56 | captnoord | besides the core duo's |
| 22:49.57 | NetRipper | it'd be easier to upgrade if you get a "simple" i7 now |
| 22:50.33 | captnoord | not only that its shear performance no matter which you buy |
| 22:50.35 | NetRipper | omg, that's a sweet laptop |
| 22:51.10 | captnoord | 5.4 kg? |
| 22:51.11 | captnoord | lol |
| 22:51.29 | NetRipper | 17" @ 1920x1200, that'd hurt your eyes |
| 22:51.53 | NetRipper | i got 24" @ 1920x1200.. same stuff on a 17".. i'd go crazy |
| 22:52.40 | NetRipper | and indeed, the weight.. at least you'll be a nerd with muscles |
| 22:52.57 | captnoord | i'm already one |
| 22:53.05 | captnoord | even that I lost 7 kg because I broke my leg |
| 22:53.12 | captnoord | 4 months ago |
| 22:53.13 | captnoord | :( |
| 22:53.37 | NetRipper | unfortunate |
| 22:53.47 | captnoord | really fucked u[p |
| 22:53.48 | captnoord | up |
| 22:54.00 | captnoord | because I can't feel my foot bed |
| 22:54.07 | captnoord | ( voetzool ) |
| 22:54.33 | NetRipper | what'd you do? |
| 22:54.42 | captnoord | pm |
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| 22:58.25 | dcordes | NetRipper: it works very well with wine |
| 22:58.41 | NetRipper | dcordes, what does? |
| 22:59.05 | dcordes | world of warcraft |
| 22:59.55 | NetRipper | ah |
| 22:59.57 | NetRipper | yes i heard |
| 23:00.06 | NetRipper | in wine or in transgaming? |
| 23:01.01 | dcordes | I never tried the commercial wine works |
| 23:01.14 | dcordes | I know it runs well with the normal wine |
| 23:01.21 | NetRipper | ah ok |
| 23:01.25 | NetRipper | didnt know wine did 3d |
| 23:01.39 | captnoord | they do |
| 23:01.53 | dcordes | I know because I played it myself for a few weeks lika a crack addict |
| 23:01.55 | captnoord | the commercial wine almost have it all |
| 23:02.51 | captnoord | don't forget to download the last release |
| 23:02.52 | captnoord | :P |
| 23:02.54 | dcordes | but I blame friends who were addicted too |
| 23:03.04 | captnoord | addicts... |
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| 23:16.41 | captnoord | really hopes that was the last one |
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