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00:16.48nextimesjphone isn't working good.
00:17.09nextimeis there any other sip client for win mobile?
00:28.22BabelOnextime: gosip
00:29.19nextimeBabelO : it is a sip client or a client for a mobile2sip service?
00:29.33nextimei need a client that i can use inside my LAN with my internal sip server
00:31.01BabelOit is a sip client , with some param provoder
00:31.23nextimeuhmm
00:31.33nextimeit seem that i need to use a "know" provider
00:31.48nextimei don't have ant sip account
00:31.54nextimeas i have my sip infrastructure
00:31.59nextimeso, it isn't for me
00:33.23BabelOi say it is already setup but you can change it
00:39.10BabelOnextime: ans sjphone works well when you choose correct settings
00:39.28nextimeBabelO :  it freeze my phone when i try to setup  a new account...
00:39.31BabelOif it is your infrastructure you can do adjust
00:39.42nextimeand it has bad screen resolution on the blackstone
00:39.44BabelOnextime: which phone do you have ?
00:39.48nextimeblackstone
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00:45.15BabelOnextime: i ve also xlite-ce somewhere
00:45.24BabelObut this o,e always fail
00:45.36nextimei'm trying o-phone
00:46.12BabelOok
00:47.40BabelOgood night
00:51.40projkt4has a version of *nix been ported to the htc ppc-6800
00:55.01projkt4i know that android will be eventually ported to all windows mobile phones but that's only a step in the right direction
01:23.21dcordes_projkt4: it already works well on the titan
01:26.42dcordes_kernel is here http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-vogue
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02:29.40projkt4cdordes: my boss has the titan, but i lack knowledge on the specifics of the differences from the titan to the mogul (6800)
02:30.09tmztthey are the same
02:30.15tmztone is verizon one is sprint
02:30.22tmztwell, both are titan
02:32.22projkt4so aside from the hinge it's the same unit?
02:32.59tmztyeah
02:33.04projkt4i'm looking up the specs now but they seem to be the same
02:33.06tmztdifferent cases
02:33.10projkt4ok
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05:04.32parmastersame with the 6900
05:04.46parmaster(vogue)
05:06.15parmasterwhich android runs flawlessly on btw
05:07.25parmasteri upgraded the winmo side to 3.11 (dcd's release of it) and then upgraded the radio rom to the latest version 3.42.50
05:08.14parmasterhaving the latest radio rom appears to be an important aspect of having android operate properly on it
05:10.25tekkdronereaaaaally
05:11.20tekkdroneI wonder if that applies on some of the other platforms
05:21.07parmasterhows the apache coming along?
05:24.11tekkdroneprogress :) at channel is working properly, can make data and voice connections from a command line
05:25.54tekkdronesince the earpiece is hardware, the at command AT+HTC_AUD_PATH=2 lets me hear the caller on the other line, but CMUT doesn't affect the mic, probably needs the i2s driver I haven't ported in yet
05:27.32tekkdroneno mic on one side makes for a rather dull conversation
05:29.05parmasterlol
05:29.53parmasterhmm so differences in the radio rom for vogue were (i believe) 3.42.40 and higher support evdo rev. A and gps chipset
05:30.15tekkdroneI assure you the goodies in my upgrade pale in comparison
05:30.52tekkdronefrom the forums is looks like signal qual. improvements
05:31.54parmasteryeah, progress right
05:32.03tekkdronenot much mention of else, but then the don't explore much at the lower layer over on the winMobile side
05:32.09tekkdronethey*
05:32.27parmasterright ;)
05:32.57tekkdroneI've been looking at this htc touch pro, what's it's codename?
05:33.07tekkdroneis that the raph I've seen people talking about?
05:33.08parmasterraphael
05:33.11parmasteryes
05:33.14parmasterthere are two kinds
05:33.21parmasterraph100 and raph800
05:33.26tekkdronecdma and gsm I take it?
05:33.29parmasterraph100 is the gsm
05:33.32parmasteryep
05:33.51tekkdroneI'm holding myself back, it's torture
05:34.01tekkdroneI want a raph 800 >_<
05:34.07parmasteri wanted one too
05:34.24parmasterbut didn't feel like committing for 2 year contract and spendin the 300 bux
05:34.33parmasterso i bought a vogue for 125
05:34.45parmasterand moved my service over to its esn
05:35.01tekkdroneright on
05:35.27parmasterpersonally i'd rather have the raph100 for world travelling
05:35.42parmasterright now i'm using a BA
05:35.59tekkdroneno doubt, I'd leave this cdma network but I'm hooked on verizon in this area, good service
05:36.03parmasterso that'll be my next upgrade.. on the world travelling side
05:36.24tekkdroneplus, I can let my bill slide 2 months before i even see a text from them
05:36.25tekkdronelol
05:36.31parmasterhaha
05:36.43tekkdronesprint sends the boys with bats when you're 2 weeks late
05:37.02tekkdronewell, back in the old days
05:38.34tekkdroneonly thing stopping me from getting a raph is I need data/voice on the 6700 for development and I can't see paying for both on 2 phones
05:39.00parmasterwhy do you need it on the apache?
05:39.43parmasterfor htc-linux dev on it?
05:40.17tekkdronewell up till about 2 weeks ago, there was no apache modem support
05:40.26tekkdronethere's still a bit to hash out
05:41.15tekkdroneonce tmzt* passed along the ohci information for apache I started digging
05:41.16parmasterwell thank god for you...
05:41.43parmasterfree' up a lot of time for me cuz i don't have to do it ;)
05:42.00tekkdronewell, all my work is based on kevin's notes and previous apache work
05:42.24parmasterawesome
05:42.26tekkdronewithout that, and the ohci info I couldn't have done a thing
05:43.03tekkdronenow I just have to finish porting apache support into this .25 kernel, it's been a pain in the ass moving stuff 4 versions accross
05:43.15tekkdroneand I'm a kernel noob so it's been slow progress
05:43.26parmasterusually thats where progress grinds to a halt
05:44.04tekkdroneI've already hit two brick walls and just kept trying and taking breaks until I was able to figure it out, I'm presistent as hell
05:44.11tekkdronelol
05:44.13parmastercool :-)
05:47.54ALoGeNohi
05:48.00ALoGeNohey parmaster **
05:48.05ALoGeNo^^
05:48.18parmasterhi ALoGeNo
05:48.40ALoGeNohow is your BA?
05:49.07parmasterALoGeNo: fine, i'm not really using it much i have a new vogue now
05:49.39ALoGeNodamn.., we are condened to park the old hardware.. :(
05:50.16tekkdroneperhaps I should mount my apache on a slab of walnut when I retire it
05:50.22parmasterhaha, not really.. hopefully tekkdrone will work out all the cdma stuff and we'll be able to use it on the harrier (BA boardid 0x4)
05:50.49ALoGeNoi dont lose my hope with the uni ^^
05:51.43tekkdronetty AT and tty pppd are pretty much good to go on apache, I just need to adapt martin's libreference source to apache/US cdma
05:52.14ALoGeNotekkdrone ? wow...
05:52.17ALoGeNo:D
05:52.32tekkdroneafter looking at it though I may just see what dcordes* was talking about  with this frameworkd
05:52.41ALoGeNousing the android repo source, no?
05:52.50tekkdroneaye, 2.6.25 vanilla branch
05:53.01parmasterlibreference is part of fso isnt' it?
05:53.03ALoGeNonice guy dcordes_ , and tmzt too
05:53.08tekkdroneaye :)
05:53.16tekkdroneboth have been very helpful
05:53.36ALoGeNoyep... nice guys both :)
05:54.41tekkdroneI'm not sure parmaster
05:54.42ALoGeNovery nice news then.. :) tnx parmaster & tekkdrone
05:55.05ALoGeNooh.. and merry cristmas :)
05:55.17tekkdronesame to you, or Happy Holidays if you don't celebrate it :)
05:55.28ALoGeNoheheh sure :)
05:55.49tekkdronemeh, my new years resolution is stop being P-C
05:55.51tekkdronelol
05:56.54ALoGeNoxd
05:56.55parmasteryes, merry christmas and happy new year ALoGeNo
05:57.03tekkdroneparmaster are you using the vogue android distro dzo put out on yours?
05:57.19parmasteryes
05:57.51parmasterits booted with haret mounted on loopbak device.. etc. same as most distros actually
05:59.18parmasterhas sys and data .img files which mount on loopback
05:59.28tekkdroneaye, mine's configured the same way
05:59.36parmasterso it should be easy enough to swap stuff out
06:00.48tekkdronepreviously I was using a single image and chrooting, made accessing mounts performed before the chroot require mount --bind, bleh
06:01.27tekkdroneswitched to the separate partitions after seeing dzo's, cursed myself for being lazy
06:02.14tekkdronedoes vogue make a sound when the radio power is cycled, and do you hear it when android comes up?
06:02.39parmasterhaha i know i find myself doing that on a live-distro i have installed on a usb fob. always having to mount --bind
06:03.04tekkdroneaye, initially I thought that's why android couldn't see my sdcard but I was mistaken
06:03.12tekkdroneit still can't :|
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06:21.31parmasterah, that sucks
06:21.46parmasteri keep my mp3's on my sdcard and play them from it in android
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09:25.13sleeprany progress for the raph100?
09:42.23parmastertekkdrone: no there is no sound
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13:05.45pichurrihello there!
13:08.42Descentionhi
13:08.52Descentionhow are you today?
13:11.15pichurrigreat!!! :0
13:11.17pichurri:)
13:11.19pichurriyou
13:11.19pichurri?
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13:19.40Descentioni'm doing well
13:20.54pichurrigood!
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13:46.15dwaradzynhi pichurri
13:46.32pichurrihey dwaradyn, :)
13:46.48dwaradzyndo you have any idea what can be the cause for broken screen on blackstone?
13:46.59pichurrinop
13:47.05pichurriI think its the fb code
13:47.15pichurribut some said its the mddi
13:47.44pichurriby fb I think it has to do with memory, thou I've forced the mem address that haret gives, but no luck, :(
13:48.14pichurriand don't know much about hw programming, so I'm kind of stuck here..
13:48.35pichurriyou have a blackstone?
13:48.58pichurriI think nextime was working on that yesterday...
13:49.29dwaradzynpichurri: yes, i have blackstone. i think it is mddi related (wchich in turn is fd related)
13:49.41sleeprany news for the raph100? :)
13:50.33pichurrido you know how the mddi works or what can I do to get info on what is missing?
13:50.40tmztdwaradzyn: have you tried a X1 kernel?
13:51.25dwaradzynit seems that framebuffer is ok, but mddi copies every line to lcd with an error (shifted left or right, the extra space filled with black or "random" pixels)
13:51.52dwaradzyntmzt: i tried but it did not boot for me... propably used older haret
13:52.11tmztok, I think nextime used X1 kernel and changed resolution, posted some video links where it partially worked
13:52.56pichurritmzt: do you have the links?
13:53.16pichurrito the videos/zimage ...?
13:53.54tmztin the log 2 days ago
13:54.08tmztirclog.iclem.net
13:58.58dwaradzynvenus kernel does not boot on blackstone (i tried bootkit from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=456595)
14:00.06pichurrinextime and I have gotten ssh access to angstrom...
14:00.19pichurribut I guess thats not enough, is it? :P
14:00.39dwaradzynpichurri: it would be very helpful to debug mddi issue
14:01.24pichurriyes, but how, I have no idea, if you throw me docs or anything where I can learn more about it, I'll be happy to spend time on that...
14:01.36dwaradzynit did not work for me when i tried it. device in activesync (fast transfer disabled). i booted angstrom and replug usb to linux machine - new usb0 and usb1 interfaces found
14:01.38tmzthttp://www.youtube.com/user/pspnewcomer
14:01.46tmztandroid 1.0 on blackstone (from the log)
14:02.13pichurritmz: yeah, but I'm not sure its for real
14:02.18dwaradzyntmzt: i honestly thing this video is a fake
14:02.22tmztpichurri: you posted this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siai2KspElE
14:02.26tmztdwaradzyn: ok
14:02.48pichurritmzt: yep, first try, :P
14:02.59tmztpichurri: what is not working then?
14:03.20pichurriwe can not interact with the phone via screen/touchscreen...
14:03.27pichurrirest works, jajajaja
14:03.47tmztbut the framebuffer does work? who was not able to boot at all then?
14:04.25dwaradzyntmzt: i was not able to boot x1 kernel on blackstone. raphael kernel boot fine
14:04.36tmztthe touchscreen controller is seperate from the framebuffer and that is needed to make the onscreen keyboard work
14:04.51pichurritmzt: screen output is scrambled...
14:04.53tmztpichurri posted this: http://www.xmoo.org/X1/linux/Android%200.8/zImage
14:05.17pichurritried that one too, same, as self compiled kernel, scrambled screen
14:05.43tmztyou might have a different lcd controller then or different lcd
14:05.55tmztwhat address does dmesg show?
14:05.56dwaradzynpichurri: i can play with fb and mddi - i could put some printks into that code and investigate whats wrong
14:06.35dwaradzynpichurri: i need usb working for that, could you help with it?
14:07.21pichurrisure
14:07.27pichurriwhich rom are you using?
14:07.39dwaradzynstock 1.14 wwe
14:07.40pichurriI know that nextime had the same issue with 1.13
14:07.44pichurrihum
14:07.52pichurriit worked for me with 1.14 fr
14:08.15pichurrithere are instructions on how to flash it with the hslp + wwe 1.19
14:08.37pichurrihere is the link : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Flash1
14:09.28pichurrialso, what is that you'll do with the mddi, how to debug it...
14:09.34dwaradzynpichurri: i know how to do it, is it really needed to upgrade to 1.19?
14:10.14pichurriI would say no, but it worked for nextime...thou he had 1.13....
14:10.43pichurridwaradzyn: don't wanna upgrade?
14:10.52dwaradzynpichurri: not yet
14:11.37pichurridwaradzyn: then, try disabling "ask first about...."
14:11.53pichurrithen force active sync and disable "Enable faster..."
14:12.50tmztcan also be called Advanced networking
14:17.15dwaradzynpichurri: anyway i want to make sure fb address is correctly passed from msm_fb.c function msmfb_start_dma to mdp dma_to_mddi, i need to see messages from kernel to do that
14:18.30pichurridwaradzyn: did you get usbnet to work with angstrom?
14:19.16dwaradzynpichurri: it failed: ssh root@192.168.0.206 gave: no route to host
14:19.54pichurridwaradzyn, I think the physical address is different from diamond/raphael, but I hardcoded (in arch/arm/mach-msm/board-htcraphael.c) the one I got from haret, and it did nothing
14:20.14pichurridwaradzyn, did you do ifconfig usb1 192.168.0.202?
14:20.22pichurriin the desktop/laptop?
14:21.21dwaradzyni tried, the same. blackstone should be visible as 192.168.0.206, right?
14:22.24tmztdwaradzyn: does usb1 show as UP RUNNING on the pc?
14:22.38dwaradzynyes
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14:22.49tmztok, route -n
14:23.16dwaradzyn192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usb1
14:23.43tmztthat's the only entry for 192.168.0.0/24 ?
14:23.58dwaradzynyes
14:24.24pichurridwaradzyn, do you have any network manager, something is trying to dhcp usb1?
14:24.28Descentionany with the gateway in the same subnet?
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14:24.45tmztok, check the filesystem (angstrom) and see if /etc/network/interfaces has auto usb0 and iface usb0 static (check the ip)
14:25.10dwaradzynmy gateway uses 192.168.2.0/24
14:25.26pichurridwaradzyn,  tcpdump?
14:25.27tmztok
14:25.53pichurridwaradzyn, did you get NetRipper's angstrom?
14:26.03pichurridwaradzyn, I'm using his'...
14:27.04pichurridwaradzyn, by the way I got dcordes_ patch working....I'll post the updated haret
14:27.05dwaradzyni'm using the latest one from raphael wiki, i think it is right one
14:27.22dwaradzynpichurri: ok
14:27.29pichurridwaradzyn, http://www.netripper.com/raphael/20081204-01_raph_diam_angstrom_usb/initrd-angstrom-usb.cpio.gz
14:29.06pichurridwaradzyn, did you try with usb0 ?
14:29.31dwaradzynusb0 is set to static 192.168.0.206, default gw 192.168.0.200
14:30.22NetRipperthe phone has ip .206
14:30.25NetRipperdont set your usb0 or usb1 to 206
14:30.39pichurriNetRipper, Hello there!!!!
14:30.54NetRipperhi
14:31.17NetRipperi'm not really here ;)
14:31.18pichurridwaradzyn, true, have to set your pc's IP to something else from 206, like 192.168.0.202, and don't need gw...
14:31.22dwaradzynNetRipper: i meant usb0 from /etc/network/interfaces on the phone side
14:31.26NetRipperah ok
14:31.30pichurrijajaja
14:31.37NetRipperon your pc side, it's usb1
14:32.22NetRipperifconfig usb1 up 192.168.0.200 && ping -I usb1 192.168.0.206
14:32.47tmztwhy are there two netdev's, trying rndis?
14:32.55pichurrithou its weird, that I decompressed the angstrom image and did not see 192.168.0.206 in the /etc/network/interfaces....
14:33.23NetRippertmzt, been there since the start.. dont know why there's two
14:33.49dwaradzyneverything seems to be ok, on laptop i can see usb0 and usb1 when i plug usb cable, but when i setup usb1 on laptop to 192.168.0.200 i cannot connect to phone
14:34.17NetRipperdwaradzyn, what is your own network? is it also 192.168.0.*?
14:34.19tmztis a script bringing up the interface on angstrom?
14:34.22pichurriNetRipper, How could I update the git from git.linuxtogo.org
14:34.30NetRippergit pull
14:34.32dwaradzynNetRipper: no, its 192.168.2.*
14:34.48NetRipperdwaradzyn, ok try: ifconfig usb1 up 192.168.0.200 && ping -I usb1 192.168.0.206
14:35.06pichurriI'd like to update the git to include blackstone specific config/board/etc....
14:35.15NetRipperpichurri, oh, commit your own things
14:35.18NetRipperpichurri, you meant
14:35.21pichurriNetRipper, yep
14:35.47NetRipperpichurri, you have to create an account on projects.linuxtogo.org and request ph5 or Kevin2 to add you
14:35.54dwaradzynNetRipper: From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
14:36.05pichurriNetRipper, thanx
14:36.17NetRipperdwaradzyn, did you boot with usb cable connected to phone?
14:36.18pichurridwaradzyn, what about "arp" or "tcpdump"
14:36.26NetRipperuh, pc
14:36.49dwaradzynNetRipper: yes, i replugged it to linux machine after angstrom booted
14:37.02tmztis it neccessary to disable rndis in windows mobile?
14:37.09tmztor usb storage mode
14:37.17NetRipperdwaradzyn, ok and was your phone last in "activesync" or in "disk drive" mode? when connecting to windows
14:37.21pichurridwaradzyn, don't replug, leave connected all the way from haret...
14:37.28Descentionquestion if i may... what is angstrom?
14:37.44NetRipperDescention, a distribution for embedded devices
14:37.48pichurriDescention, linux for embedded devs
14:38.14dwaradzynNetRipper: it was in activesync mode (activesync icon was green when i run haret)
14:38.19Descentioni want to try it out
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14:38.51NetRipperdwaradzyn, ok.. should be fine.. do you see debug messages on the screen when you plug in/out the usb cable? like _reset() and _configure() messages?
14:39.43dwaradzyni see new messages about usb0 and usb1 in dmesg
14:40.10NetRipperno, on the phone
14:40.11NetRipperi meant
14:40.17tmztthe fb is still corrupted
14:40.20NetRipperbut ok, i guess if that side works, it should be ok
14:40.21NetRipperah
14:40.50tmztpichurri's works apparently though
14:40.57dwaradzynNetRipper: there are errors in dmesg, could you look at http://pastebin.com/m32064031 ?
14:41.14pichurritmzt, noooo, it doesn't work for me either....
14:41.34tmztwhat is the video you posted then?
14:42.01dwaradzyntmzt: it works but output on lcd is garbage, not readable
14:42.01pichurridwaradzyn, then it should be good, its probably on your pc, any network managers trying to set IP on usb1?
14:42.38NetRipperdwaradzyn, that is a dmesg from your pc side.. do you mean the ACPI errors? i doubt it's related to the usb stuff
14:43.06dwaradzyni have no idea why it doesn not work....
14:43.18NetRipperim running out of ideas as well
14:43.32NetRippermaybe it hangs before it gets to init the usb0 on the phone?
14:43.43Descentionnot to interrupt but: i'm at the images folder for angstrom, how do i know what my machine is?  i know haret works on it, as i've run the android kernel/image.
14:43.56pichurridwaradzyn, I had a network manager, try an alias: ifconfig usb1:0 192.168.0.200
14:43.58tmztDescention: what is it called?
14:44.06Descentionkaiser
14:44.28tmztdcordes_ has kaiser
14:45.24NetRipperDescention, i think you can use the raph/diam angstrom initrd as well.. same instructionset
14:45.56NetRipperDescention, and dcordes_ has an angstrom for kaiser specifically on his site
14:46.02pichurridwaradzyn, ...? didn't work?
14:46.23dwaradzynpichurri: rebooting once again...
14:46.31pichurridwaradzyn, :P
14:46.51NetRipperdwaradzyn, on my pc side i've had some trouble that my ip gets removed from the usb1 device after a few seconds
14:47.22dwaradzynNetRipper: i don't have that
14:47.27NetRipperdwaradzyn, so i'd do like ifconfig usb1 up 192.168.0.200 and "ifconfig" shows its up... but 10 seconds later i do "ifconfig" again and it doesnt have an ip anymore..
14:47.32NetRipperok
14:49.08tmztdwaradzyn: can you complete stop /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop
14:58.43vstrienanyone working on Android with nike?
14:59.45vstrien'cuz I'm going to download the kernel code of Polaris now (nearly working out of the box, only keys not working yet)
14:59.58vstrienand it would be a pity if work's done twice :)
15:01.58pichurridwaradzyn, did alias work...?
15:02.21dwaradzynpichurri: no luck here...
15:03.43pichurridwaradzyn, darn...sure your trying with angstrom, because android brings up usbnet too, but without ip...
15:06.28sleepris there a list of devices that has android fully working?
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15:09.28dwaradzynbbl
15:09.32Descentionangstrom works on my kaiser, which is pretty cool
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16:26.48dcordes_hi
16:27.26dcordes_Descention: you can also make calls with angstrom on the kaiser
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16:45.54dcordes_vstrien: do you know the nike patches?
16:46.21vstriennop
16:46.26dcordes_vstrien: somebody patched touchscreen and keys in the xda-forum
16:46.36vstrienbut the touchscreen already works, doesn't it?
16:46.41dcordes_does it?
16:46.56vstrienwith the polaris kernel of rogro82, it does
16:47.38vstrienre-packed and re-uploaded the bootpack here: http://vstrien.csoft.net/Polaris-build/polaris-build.tar.bz2
16:47.49dcordes_then it also works with the htc-msm kernel built for htcpolaris
16:48.01vstriensure?
16:48.19vstrienI haven't yet read the whole manual of rogro82 how he came to this build
16:48.43dcordes_no it's an assumption. rogro kernel uses vogue-ts.c and htcpolaris in htc-msm uses vogue-ts.c
16:48.56vstrienk :)
16:49.14vstrienbut rogro also has posted a manual of how he did this build
16:49.57vstrienhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3083990&postcount=148
16:50.45vstrienI just re-packed it - it's now uploading to my own server
16:50.51vstriendon't like rapidshare :)
16:51.51dcordes_does sd work well for you on the niki with rogro kernel?
16:52.06vstrieneehm I tested it only once
16:52.14vstrienand that time, pressed the power button
16:52.46vstrienaccording to biktor_gj the power button is mapped to the "SD present" switch
16:57.52dcordes_if you compare it with the htc-vogue branch on linuxtogo, you see it is just the msm7200 stuff added to htc-vogue
16:58.11vstrienok
16:58.40vstrienbut right at this moment I'm questioning if I've uploaded the right one :s
17:00.16vstrienand RapidShare isn't that fast :@
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