IRC log for #htc-linux on 20081215

00:03.23tmzt_NetRipper: is CMDA 18bpp or not?
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04:23.06parmastertekkdrone are you able to bring up a csd or evdo connection?
04:23.40tekkdroneactually, but accident, I believe I just did
04:23.45tekkdroneby accident*
04:23.51parmasternice
04:23.54tekkdronethen it died, and came back, then died again
04:23.56tekkdronelol
04:23.58parmasterdo you have a link to the images you're using?
04:24.22tekkdronenot the most current ones no, I was hoping to post the latest tomorrow at chillaxin.net
04:24.28parmasterwhat phone application are you using with it
04:24.31tekkdrone(personal blog, no spam)
04:25.04tekkdronenone yet, I'm still workiong out the details, tmz just slipped me the pxa ohci code last week
04:25.15tekkdroneand of course, there's no smd0 or smd1 on here so...
04:26.02parmastercool i've never seen cdma AT setup
04:26.07tekkdroneI had my apache sitting on the lock screen and I was messing with dzo's ril code and some manual at commands, suddenly my lock screen said Android instead of no service, and the 3G icon came up, then jumped up 2 bars
04:26.09parmasterwhat commands do you send to the modem
04:26.36tekkdronestandard fare, AT+HTC_DUN=0, etc
04:26.44parmasteroh ok
04:26.53tekkdronei'm talking to ti via ttyS0
04:26.56tekkdroneto it*
04:27.21parmasterwas there some automatic line discrimination done through setthci
04:27.25parmasteror whatever
04:27.42tekkdroneI have absolutely no idea, ppp is new territory for me
04:28.02parmasterno i mean jsut to be able to talk to /dev/ttyS0
04:28.10tekkdroneoh yes, it's a FFUART
04:28.14parmasterok
04:28.37tekkdronei can microcom in and watch CSQ signal strenth scroll by
04:28.50tekkdronestrength* sorry new keyboard
04:28.59parmasteryou could also cu in
04:29.14parmasterjust copy armv5te cu package to it
04:29.28parmasterthen chmod uucp.uucp /dev/ttyS0
04:29.34tekkdronewhat's cu?
04:29.37parmasterexecute cu on it -s 115200
04:30.06parmasterthen after cu is connected to it set the perms back to normal and run whatever else against it you want
04:30.16parmasterand you'll see the commands it send and the response
04:30.19tekkdronecapture utility?
04:30.23tekkdroneahh gotcha
04:30.29parmasterno its the call unix command
04:30.31parmasteroldschool
04:30.58tekkdroneright on
04:31.43tekkdronequestion, what handles power switching on peripherals, pda-power?
04:31.44parmasterhow do you dial via the cdma modem though
04:32.37tekkdronewell so far I've only done so accidentally, using dzo's scripts and libreference, and I have a device called smd1 with the major and minors of ttyUSB0, which is my qualcomm on ohci
04:33.06tekkdronesmd0 is setup the same way, but with ttyS0's device node numbers
04:33.15parmasternice
04:33.22tekkdroneit's dirty but it was only intended as a test
04:34.02tekkdroneI really don't know a damn thing about cellular ppp
04:34.40parmasterwhen you qualcom on ohci.. which chipset are you talking about 6800 or something?
04:34.51tekkdrone6500 I believe
04:35.00parmasteroops yep thats what i meant
04:35.34parmastercool so who hooked u up with it?
04:35.35parmastertmzt?
04:36.10tekkdroneyeah he had a couple of golden lines with addresses for ohci
04:36.18parmasterkick ass...
04:36.28parmasternow i look forward to some real progress
04:36.33tekkdroneafter that it was a matter of adding it to init and checking the generic OHCI in the kernel config
04:36.48tekkdroneI was shocked to see usb 1-1: Product: Qualcomm CDMA Technologies MSM
04:36.48tekkdroneusb 1-1: Manufacturer: Qualcomm, Incorporated
04:36.48tekkdrone<PROTECTED>
04:37.04parmasteryeah he was saying he thought it was through usb
04:37.19tekkdroneaye there's some stuff about it in o'connors notes too
04:37.33parmasterok cool
04:37.51tekkdronewell, pretty much that sentence you just said is in his notes
04:37.52tekkdronelol
04:38.03parmaster;-)
04:38.03tekkdroneand that's it
04:41.29tekkdronebest thing was getting udc and the adb gadget driver working last night, no more typing on the tiny keyboard, yay.
04:41.53tekkdroneit's dirty though, but from what I've read, with the pxa27x dirty is standard fare
04:48.19parmasteri've got an apache laying around somewhere let me know if you want me to play around with it too when you get more settled with it
04:49.21tekkdronethanks :)
04:51.10parmasteri even still have it active through sprint
04:52.20tekkdroneheh, don't wanna pay the contract termination fee?
04:53.04parmasterwell its got an old number in silicon valley attached to it tha everyone knows... so i keep it on for that reason
04:53.39tekkdroneahhh mine's in another area code, same reason
04:55.24parmasterare any of the other devices working on it?
04:55.54parmasterbluetooth?
05:01.12tekkdronenot yet
05:01.54tekkdroneI don't think that was even working previously on the old hh kernel
05:01.56tekkdrone>_<
05:02.07parmasteryeah in fact i'm sure it wasn't
05:07.21tmzt_hi, parmaster
05:10.00parmasterhi tmzt :)
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05:17.50tmzt_what's going on?
05:22.56parmasternot much, glad to see stuff coming along retroactively
05:24.15tmzt_tekkdrone: you see CSQ unsolicited messages on which ttyS0/ttyUSB0 ?
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05:34.20tekkdrone_argh
05:42.29tmzt_tekkdrone: you see CSQ unsolicited messages on which ttyS0/ttyUSB0 ?
05:42.46tekkdronettyS0
05:43.31tmzt_interesting, that may be primarily the voice at channel
05:43.45tmzt_have you been able to connect to EVDO?
05:43.54tekkdroneI think I have, but only by mistake
05:44.13parmasterare you sure those CSQ messages aren't towers?
05:44.42tekkdroneI was fiddling around and my lock screen suddenly showed "Android" isntead of no service, my 3g icon appeared, and I had an active signal bar, then it dc'd
05:45.00tekkdronefirst I'd seen of it
05:45.56tekkdroneas far as I know, it's just my signal strenth indicator (the HTC_CSQ(x,x) messages)
05:47.11parmasterdo you see tower numbers in there?
05:47.18tekkdroneno
05:47.37tekkdronejust two integers
05:47.43parmasterhow big are they
05:47.48parmasterlike, show me a pair
05:47.55tekkdrone3,3 4,4
05:47.56tekkdroneetc
05:48.03parmasteroh ok.. yeah... def not then
05:48.28tmzt_tekkdrone: does usb0 also respond to at commands?
05:48.47tekkdroneI haven't attempted as I have no idea what speed to terminal in at
05:49.10tmzt_115200 should work, but usb doesn't really have baud rate
05:49.29tekkdroneaye, does it not matter being that it's usbserial?
05:49.38tekkdrone(ttyUSB0)
05:49.40tmzt_right
05:49.45tekkdroneah cool
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06:36.53parmasteractually on usb you might want to try 19200
06:38.22parmaster230k, all that
06:41.12parmaster300,600,1200,1800,2400,4000,4800,7200,9600,14400,16000,19200,28800,38400,51200,56000,57600,64000,76800,115200,128000,153600,230400,250000,256000,460800,500000,576000,921600
06:41.19parmasterit's certaint to be one of those :)
06:42.37parmasterUART baud rates
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06:44.28parmasteryou request a baud rate and its gonna translate into one of those anyway.
06:49.56parmasteran application can just request any baud rate and it will actually give whichever of those rates in that list is closest to the one requested.
06:50.34tekkdronefair enough, so far I'm not seeing any responses or unsolicited messages
06:55.41parmastertheres a usb to uart bridge controller there.. so i guess you could try all of rates
06:55.49parmasterup to you what you want to do
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06:57.00tmzt_parmaster: usb to uart where?
06:57.14parmasterhas to be
06:57.31tmzt_you mean in the msm chip?
06:57.47parmasterif you are conencting via usb to a uart
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06:58.14parmasterit would be 'part of the usb'
06:58.29tmzt_the usb is connected to the msm chip, which has a device controller like the pxa
06:58.52parmasterthen consider its 'part of the usb'
07:01.07parmasterjust brute force all of the speeds look for data then done ;)
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07:02.26tmzt_tekkdrone: do you have minicom?
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07:27.38parmasterthats everything up to about a megabit
07:29.10parmasterThe FFUART supports modem-control capability. The maximum baud rate is 921,600 bps.
07:29.32parmasterso those 32 baud rates cover everything.
07:30.09parmasterthats straight from the PXA27x developers manual.
07:30.20tekkdroneaye, I can terminal to the ffuart
07:30.28tmzt_ok, you mean the ttyS0 then, I was referring to the ttyUSB0
07:30.46tekkdroneyes, ttyUSB0 is an ohci device
07:31.00tmzt_tekkdrone: can you connect to the usb and see if it responds to AT commands?
07:31.08tekkdroneI attempted, got nothing
07:31.09tmzt_tekkdrone: ohci is the host controller
07:31.23parmasterBecause 921,600 bps is not a common standard baud rate programs like stty do not typically support it. A quick work around to this problem is to use a simple C program to set the baud rate manually using the termOptions struct in Linux.
07:31.34tmzt_ok, can you try dialing ATD#777 on the S0 then
07:31.50parmasterC program is available at:
07:31.53parmasterhttp://embedded.seattle.intel-research.net/wiki/index.php?title=Using_other_UARTs_in_Linux
07:31.53tekkdroneyes, lemme reboot the phone and start fresh with dzo's scripts disabled
07:32.19tmzt_if dzo scripts work, you should be ok then
07:32.34tmzt_do any of the phone functions work?
07:33.11tekkdroneI haven't tried a call, I've yet to add in sound
07:34.03tmzt_not the sound, just if you can make a call/receive a call in android
07:34.39tekkdronei've yet to try, as far as android's concerned I'm not registered on a network
07:34.44parmasterwhat version of android are you trying 0.8?
07:34.50tekkdrone1
07:34.53parmasterk
07:35.13tmzt_try dzo libreference_ril from vogue linux or dcordes bootkit
07:35.45tekkdroneI have it, is the one one from the files on his site up to date?
07:35.45tmzt_well, dcordes for 0.8
07:36.20tmzt_linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/
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07:40.59parmasterhi rob_w
07:47.32rob_whi
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09:24.57NetRippertmzt_, the forum post meant android, but confused it with x11 ;)
09:26.00NetRippertmzt_, and i think cmda is also 16bpp but a different rgb spacing somehow.. i dont know the detials about that
09:26.51NetRipperjobo posted something in the form of rrrbbgggGGggg or something lol
09:26.54NetRipperdont know how that works
09:27.18NetRipperi am anxious to see lavender.t's diff though
09:27.27NetRipperas he had some results with mmc on diamond
09:37.25tmzt_hi, NetRipper
09:40.09tmzt_I guess it means the colors are in planes
09:41.05tmzt_cr2 found what should be the lcd controller on raph
09:45.11tmzt_4:4:4 ? what is that for
09:45.55tmzt_maejrep: you here?
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10:06.24tmzt_NetRipper: the "stuck" cursor problem has been seen on the kaiser by dcordes since early summer, we think it's caused by the screen not updating and someone has added an update thread to the ts driver
10:07.00NetRippertmzt_,  yes, and i heard it worked for kaiser
10:07.03NetRipperuh
10:07.05NetRipperpolaris
10:07.11NetRipperso probably kaiser as well
10:07.12tmzt_ok, good
10:08.03tmzt_did you see the message from cr2 about the lcd controller s1dxxxx chip?
10:08.19tmzt_is this the mddi client or is that the lcd itself?
10:12.55NetRipperno i didnt see any messages from cr2
10:13.11NetRipperand i dont know whether it is the mddi client or lcd
10:13.16NetRipperi'd think mddi
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10:13.59NetRipperor, isn't mddi built into the msm chip?
10:14.13tmzt_S1D13774_DB
10:14.33tmzt_I think mddi is a bus
10:14.45NetRipperhttp://www.spezial.com/commercio/dateien/produktbeitraege/S1D13774_DB.pdf
10:14.50NetRipperlcd controller
10:15.01NetRipperS1D13774 WVGA LCD Controller
10:15.06tmzt_that says it's an mddi client, or it's listed as a supported connection of something
10:15.47NetRipperMDDI, 18-bit Indirect, or I2C Host Interface
10:15.51NetRipperis one of its features
10:17.13tmzt_http://www.qctconnect.com/products/mddi.html
10:17.45NetRipperyes, that's just the standard
10:19.46NetRipperhm, that lcd controller has tv out support
10:23.45tmzt_right
10:24.19tmzt_anything that can be read from windows to find the display configuration, like on pxa and omap?
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10:31.58NetRipperyou can read the framebuffer data, then try to let photoshop interpret it
10:32.20NetRipper(or gimp)
10:32.27tmzt_well I mean color depth or pixel format
10:32.29NetRipper(or imagemagick convert)
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10:32.56tmzt_mddi registers or anything else that might be helpful
10:32.59NetRipperwell photoshop would have to detect the format
10:33.33NetRipperbut i dont know how about other things
10:33.56tmzt_basically taking registers from the kernel headers and dumping them with haret
10:34.41tmzt_anyway, do you know why the htc console is still needed?
10:37.08Magister7hello to all
10:38.05Magister7tmzt_: can you tell me how to dump mddi registers with haret? as far a I understand, that will help me to implement panel on/off, right?
10:38.33tmzt_pd for physical address
10:38.39tmzt_pd <phys> <size>
10:38.50tmzt_pwf <filename> <phys> <size>
10:39.01tmzt_the order could be wrong on the second one
10:40.26tmzt_Magister7: what device do you have?
10:40.36Magister7Titan
10:41.29tmzt_the linux headers should have the physical addresses for mddi
10:41.38tmzt_don't know if that helps with suspend
10:42.32Magister7well... I tried to dump (address from Memory map on xda wiki), and if then I am doing power off (the code taken from Vogue), and power on (the same code, but writing dumped data) - backlight comes, but there is no any picture.
10:42.51Magister7is it possible to trace what WinCE does during panel on/off?
10:43.34tmzt_read ApachePhoneTrace and HaRET on handhelds.org wiki
10:43.49tmzt_not everything applies to msm but should be similar
10:44.26tmzt_you probably need to init the lcd to power it back on
10:44.38tmzt_more than just writing registers
10:45.13Magister7maybe... but how to do that?
10:45.40Magister7and looks like it's true, because backlight comes
10:47.44tmzt_backlight turns on but not the lcd?
10:47.52Magister7нуы
10:47.58Magister7sorry.. yes
10:48.54tmzt_does it work on vogue?
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10:49.26Magister7yes, dzo got it fully working on vogue
10:49.54tmzt_see what his does for init if it does
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10:50.14tmzt_I guess the lcd's are different on vogue/titan? I thought hw was similar
10:52.15Magister7the hardware is very similar, the same kernel will run on both titan and vogue (display, pm, leds, charging, battery meter, sound, etc). but looks like lcd is somewhat different....
10:54.28Magister7the code from dzo:
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10:55.58tmzt_maejrep: If you can find how to dump the registers set in the jobo patches on cdma raph with haret
10:56.15tmzt_Magister7: ok, the titan panel is in there?
10:56.55Magister7regs_on_xxx is a an array of {register, value, delay} items
10:57.40Magister7write_mddi_regs calls mddi_remote_write(panel->mddi, regs->val, regs->reg); and then mdelay(regs->time); for each array item
10:58.14Magister7how can I find which panel is on Titan?
10:58.29tmzt_ok, you have your own regs made for titan?
10:59.08beabrasHello, anybody here working on Kaiser/Tytn II + Android?
10:59.25tmzt_dcordes is working on kaiser
11:00.46tmzt_I don't know if 1.0 is working, but you can try the initrd from vogue thread on xda-devs
11:00.59tmzt_http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265&page=240
11:03.05Magister7tried to dump them with haret (traced, but it says that tracing of that area is not well suported)
11:03.11Magister7and tried to do:
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11:03.32Magister7but got different values, and none of them worked
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11:07.08tmzt_try dump mmu 2 <phys>
11:07.21tmzt_and trace the virtual addresses (the 1MB ones)
11:11.15tmzt_Magister7: on the devices lcd init has been found, the primary method is the bootloader
11:11.18tmzt_spl
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11:11.40Loki657hi all!
11:11.51tmzt_hi
11:11.53Magister7tmzt_: what does it mean?
11:12.07Loki657Anyone here working on Android for the Diamond and/or Touch Pro?
11:12.11tmzt_Magister7: I mean someone would have to look at the spl on titan
11:12.55tmzt_Loki657: do you have gsm or cdma?
11:13.02Loki657gsm
11:13.15Loki657got a RAPH100 myself
11:13.30Magister7hm... looks like that I should be that "someone"...
11:15.22tmzt_Loki657: for android information: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002&page=104
11:15.27Loki657Yeah, I know
11:15.34Loki657ive been following the development quite closely
11:15.42Loki657I was just wondering if anyone in here is working on it
11:15.57tmzt_NetRipper is working on raph100
11:16.16Loki657Ah
11:16.19Loki657il give him a shout then
11:16.51tmzt_what are you looking for?
11:16.56Loki657Just a way to help
11:17.07Loki657I am interessted in your opinion though.. How likely is it that we will see Android fully working? The Vouge has come very far, but still isnt 100% working
11:17.35tmzt_raph is closer to g1 than vogue
11:17.37Loki657and I spoke with a market director with HTC a week ago, and he told me that they wont be offering Android to WinMo devices from HTC
11:17.57Loki657I know, but Android 1.0 is running quite good on the vouge
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11:18.27tmzt_raph should support h3wd driver and libhgl so android will run as fast as on g1, hopefully
11:19.04tmzt_the biggest differences are probably in the amss (radio) and what commands it supports on the shared memory channels
11:19.17tmzt_as well as different lcd which is being worked on
11:19.53Loki657I have no conserns regarding performance, I am just curious as to the likelyhood of Android fully working on it.. Considering how far they have come with the HTC Vogue, although some significant features still arent in
11:20.25Loki657http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/video-android-rocking-on-the-htc-touch/
11:20.31Loki657if you havent seen it already
11:20.43tmzt_I believe the vogue support is based on the sdk image and drivers
11:21.00tmzt_for msm_fb at least
11:21.26Loki657yeah
11:21.48Loki657but still.. what do you think? Will we get Android running perfectly?
11:22.17tmzt_not sure what you are asking then
11:22.39br1ckit doesnt even need to run perfectly, it would still be better than winmo
11:23.14Loki657just curious as to the likelyhood of Android running on, lets say the Raph or any other phone than the G1, just as well as on the G1 (all features, functionality, etc)
11:23.15br1cksorry for the drop-in, i am only lurking around
11:23.35tmzt_hi br1ck
11:23.40Loki657Android has a nicer UI than WinMo, but WinMo is still ahead when it comes to functionality ;)
11:24.03Magister7tmzt_: is there a source of Olipro SPL?
11:24.09tmzt_someone was concerned about the app store and not having any applications
11:24.21tmzt_Magister7: ask him
11:24.25Loki657with the Vogue, you can manually install apps though.. Just not through the App store..
11:24.33tmzt_Magister7: I think they modify the hex though
11:24.39tmzt_Magister7: I think they modify the asm though
11:25.04Magister7tmzt_: hm.. maybe. will try to ask..
11:25.30tmzt_he's usually in #hpcdev or #xda-dev
11:25.34Loki657Was thinking about getting the G1, but then I realized that Android would be the only reason doing so.. The hardware on it sucks.. So having Android on my Touch Pro would make it perfect :)
11:25.44beabrasI have not been ivolved in development or porting so far, so I would like to understand porting problem in high-level: what are main problems in making run Android on Kaiser(or other HTC devices): writing drivers, getting spec's for chips to be able to write drivers or some other problems?
11:26.09tmzt_Loki657: there may be no reason the g1 or dev phone image wouldn't work if the drivers were written
11:26.29Loki657aha, thanks
11:26.48Loki657now, to my follow up.. How can I help? I Have some contacts in Google which could be able to help out..
11:28.11Loki657I could also support through donations..
11:28.23tmzt_basically, google release source for the msm7201a last fall
11:29.17tmzt_this supports most of the hardware inside the system-on-chip package, but much of the functionality of the msm chips is implemented in the AMSS software running on the arm9 core
11:29.48tmzt_this implements phone, gps, connection to the dsp for video, gps decorr., etc.
11:29.51Loki657right..
11:30.07tmzt_also, the clocks some power functions and other things needed
11:30.28tmzt_the protocol for controlling these things is different (and undocumented) on the windows-based HTC devices
11:30.32Loki657so, bottom line is.. what can Google o? :)
11:30.39Loki657do*
11:31.40tmzt_google developers have answered some questions here and in #android, have documented the source well and provided a usable git history (not complete though)
11:31.57Loki657so there isnt much more they can do then? :)
11:34.10tmzt_for raphael? what do you mean
11:36.53Loki657for anything
11:36.54Loki657hehe
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11:42.34Loki657I just want to help out.. heh
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11:49.29Loki657oh well, just let me know
11:55.49parmasterthis is #htc-linux ;)
11:58.48Loki657yup
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13:01.09NetRipperLoki657, /query is less secure, but more common than /dcc chat ;)
13:02.25Loki657ah, hi Netripper
13:07.54parmasterhahahaha
13:07.57parmasterhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265
13:08.04parmasterthat link made it into information week.
13:08.26parmasterhttp://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/12/android_goes_bo.html
13:11.41NetRipperhi loki
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13:13.29NetRipper"android goes borg", how lame ;)
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13:20.06parmasterNetRipper: :-)
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14:13.17maejreptmzt_, i'll see what i can do, will probably have to be later tonight
14:13.30maejrepdo you need a before/after the patch?
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15:20.54dcordesNetRipper, others: hi
15:21.08dcordesNetRipper: which thread should I check?
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18:03.28dcordesbeabras sorry been busy
18:03.41dcordesI'll be back later
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19:03.37tekkdronefuckin A google.com just loaded
19:03.43tekkdronehot damn
19:08.36Bally3on what??
19:09.32tekkdroneapache
19:10.00Bally3aah
19:10.03tekkdroneandroid release, htc apache, pxa27x, cdma
19:10.19tekkdroneusing dzo's libreference and a ton of dicking around
19:10.59Bally3did you get his libreference then? would appreciate if you could point me to it
19:11.18tekkdroneI didn't get his source, just the one on his websute
19:11.21tekkdronewebsite*
19:11.39Bally3aah ok
19:12.17tekkdronelol damn, I loaded google, then my 'G' gprs icon appeared and I lost my interface in ifconfig
19:12.26tekkdronesoooo much to figure out
19:13.15Bally3yeah.. an i bet you doing it alone too :(
19:13.23Bally3always seems to be the problem
19:13.57tekkdroneaye but parmaster offered up a dusting-off of his Apache :)
19:14.08tekkdroneso maybe not? :)
19:14.29Bally3thats ok then ;)
19:14.49Bally3bbl.. food time
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19:43.48dcordeshi all
19:50.00imfloflohi dcordes
19:50.12dcordeshello my friend
19:51.05dcordesso on the raph100 the X problems are not present
19:51.41imflofloso you can start  an X interface on the raph100
19:51.47WatskeBarthi all
19:52.33dcordeshaha De Jeugd van Tegenwoordig or what?
19:52.44WatskeBarthaha someting like that
19:53.02dcordesso what's happening?
19:53.06WatskeBartppl started calling me like that
19:53.14WatskeBartso made the nick
19:53.23dcordesI had that song somewhere
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19:54.30thejigsawanyone from the polaris  developement team
19:54.30thejigsaw<PROTECTED>
19:54.30WatskeBartfunny song thats for sure
19:55.13WatskeBarti was observing and hoping i might learn something more on linux for the RAPH100
19:55.59WatskeBartis there a way to go back from GUI to the console in Android v0.8?
19:56.17Bally3wassup jigsaw?
19:58.06thejigsawyo Bally3
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19:58.19thejigsawi wanna help  and contribute to the team
19:58.33Bally3go... got hear
19:58.47Bally3damn ir kbd
19:58.47thejigsawi heard that you need people
19:58.53Bally3yes..
19:58.55thejigsawi am not very good at kernels
19:58.56Bally3one mo..
19:59.16thejigsawbut i have very good expirience in c#, vb.
19:59.24thejigsawso i can learn and if i would be of help
19:59.28thejigsawi could do something
19:59.41dcordesWatskeBart, things like that are easily achieved in the angstrom distro images. I just learned Xserver works well on the raphael and friends.
20:00.10dcordesdon't know about android. you might use remote host over usbnet
20:00.17dcordestelnet in
20:02.19WatskeBartthanx for the tip
20:02.32WatskeBartwill use the angstrom distro from the wiki
20:03.44OpnSrc1hello all
20:03.50OpnSrc1hi decordes,
20:05.22OpnSrc1I've built a zImage with the full keyboard patch. How to activate KB on Kaise and Poalris ? I've both devices..
20:05.44OpnSrc1thanks, in advance..
20:08.32dcordesthe ts driver used on pola (vogue-ts.c) has the keyboard activated with cam button
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20:17.19dcordesimfloflo, sorry, overseen that. yes it works without refresh hacks: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3042196&postcount=1102
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20:19.23dcordes~seen Magister7
20:19.26aptmagister7 <n=Magister@vicont.in.ua> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 8h 54m 22s ago, saying: 'tmzt_: hm.. maybe. will try to ask..'.
20:19.33dcordeshm missed him again
20:20.01imfloflodcordes great job
20:20.28dcordeswell it works out of the box so to say. jobo tested it.
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20:45.07wasabiany of you played with the G1 hardware yet? I assume so.
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20:46.25beabrasbye
20:48.46WatskeBartadieu
20:51.05dcordeswasabi, infernix has one
20:51.12infernixyup
20:51.22infernixits nice
20:51.22wasabiyeah. i ordered a dev phone friday
20:51.22dcordeswasabi, what's up with it?
20:51.25wasabii patiantly await.
20:51.36wasabijust wondering if anybody has got it dual booting a normal distro, etc.
20:51.38infernixwrote a backup script so far
20:51.43infernixso i can experiment
20:51.50infernixbut yes, saurik has, somewhat
20:52.10infernixbasically debian in a chroot
20:52.19dcordesuuh chroot
20:52.40infernixproblem is, android doesnt use /etc/passwd
20:52.46infernixso need a libnss_android for that
20:53.16infernixanyway see here http://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/2008-November/000032.html
20:53.38wasabiChroot ain't really what I mean.
20:53.42dcordeswasabi, do you have documentation about using/configuring g1 dev edition bootloader?
20:53.45infernixwe can also basically turn any G1 into a dev phone as long as you have root
20:53.48wasabiI want to get a second / on maybe a SD
20:53.56infernixwasabi: yeah thats the next step
20:53.58wasabiAnd get a boot loader set up so I can switch between them.
20:54.09wasabiNo, I don't.
20:54.14infernixbut there is no grub so something has to be made that can switch
20:54.26infernixand using the g1 bootloader is simple
20:54.34infernixyou have fastboot protocol to write flash partitions
20:54.35wasabifastboot or something?
20:54.52infernixyou can write without having to boot a kernel
20:54.55infernixso you can do whatever
20:55.02dcordeswasabi, why would that be a problem on the developer phone- having mutiple rootfilesystems to chose from. am I wrong when I assume the bootloader is comparable to uboot and such?
20:55.15infernixbootloader is in SPL, e.g its HTC code
20:55.17wasabiI have no idea. that's what I'm here asking.
20:55.20infernixit fires off whatever is in boot.img
20:55.25infernixwhich is a kernel+initrd right now
20:55.31wasabiAhh.
20:55.37wasabiSo we need a second loader in there?
20:55.43infernixso for being able to switch, either make some script in boot.img that does something for you
20:55.45dcordeswasabi, is there no public documentation on the dev phone from google side?
20:55.50infernixor compile a kernel with kexec
20:55.58infernixand just start another kernel from android os itself
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20:56.09dcordeskexec sounds best
20:56.20dcordesso you have a static whatsoever.img
20:56.45dcordesand have the kernel images / filesystem wherever your .img kernel can acccess
20:57.22wasabiWell, I'd like to keep teh built in kernel as hands off as possible... so i can reflash it all the time, etc.
20:57.24dcordeswe could test it on the non dev phones already
20:57.29infernixlook here: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack%2C_Edit%2C_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images
20:57.31wasabiI'm looking into flashboot now
20:57.38dcordeswasabi, what I said
20:57.39infernixmisc is not used in userspace
20:57.47wasabiIt is supposed to be my primary phone. ;0
20:57.49infernixrecovery is bootable with a key combo on the phone
20:58.06infernixso recovery is basically rescue mode, independent from boot/system
20:58.11wasabiahh
20:58.29infernixcache is where OTA updates are stored, no other use is known (least not to me)
20:58.39wasabidev phone won't use ota updates no doubt
20:58.52infernixsystem is your OS, gets mounted at /system, and userdata is /data which is where android stores apps
20:59.12infernixin recovery mode you can reset, which just formats data
20:59.16wasabiso there's a set of rescue keys that will determine whether to boot off of boot or recovery?
20:59.21infernixsort of like a hard reset in WM HTC phones
20:59.33infernixwasabi: no you boot recovery by holding home+power
20:59.40infernixand spl/bootloader with camera+power
20:59.41wasabi'rescue keys'
21:00.06infernixi'm not following
21:00.11infernixthere's no keys involved in booting
21:00.17wasabidude. home/power are keys
21:00.24infernixoh heh
21:00.27wasabiso you answered my question yes
21:00.27infernixi was thinking RSA keys
21:00.29wasabiheh
21:00.31wasabioh
21:01.20wasabihave you been into the hardware yet? curious what hte framebuffer is
21:01.30wasabiand if you can talk to the gsm unit in any meaningful way from code
21:01.43infernixso what ive done so far is a way to dump data from all relevant mtd partitions (boot recovery system data) and convert them back into flashable images for fastboot
21:01.49wasabiopenmoko for instance had teh gsm unit exposed over a little text based thing.
21:01.56wasabiwhich made it very easy to dial, etc.
21:01.58infernixtheres a few proprietary libs
21:02.18wasabiActually, it was a normal line based modem thing. ATDT to dial.
21:02.27wasabiAnd you could open two channels because there were two device files.
21:02.29infernix~/src/android/mydroid/vendor/htc/dream$ ls proprietary/
21:02.29infernixakmd  AudioFilter.csv  AudioPara4.csv  Fw1251r1c.bin  gps.conf  libaudioeq.so  libhtc_ril.so  libqcamera.so  tiwlan.ini
21:02.35wasabiSo run ppp on one, and initiate a voice dial on another.
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21:02.52infernixi am guessing htc_ril is where the communication is at
21:02.56wasabihmm
21:03.00infernixeither way its done in shared mem
21:03.08infernixafaik
21:03.18wasabiwell that'll be itneresting.
21:03.18infernixbut i havent explored fully yet
21:03.33wasabiknow what the framebuffer is?
21:04.04infernixnot sure what you mean, the driver for it?
21:04.13wasabiyeah
21:04.29infernixi can pastebin dmesg for you
21:04.49dcordeswasabi, "curious what hte framebuffer is" X should work on the trout. "if you can talk to the gsm unit in any meaningful way from code" AT command channel is /dev/smd0. Just like the moko text thing.
21:05.05wasabitrout? huh?
21:05.11dcordesg1 is trout in the kernel
21:05.21wasabinice.
21:05.34wasabiSo it does have a text based command channel?
21:05.39dcordesthey like fish. the evaluation board they used is halibut
21:05.42dcordesyes
21:05.42wasabiSee. that is highly interesting. That sounds fun.
21:05.53dcordesbut there's a show stopper
21:05.58wasabi?
21:06.23dcordesthe data connections are a bit complicated on the trout
21:06.59dcordesinfernix, what about pppd. does that work on the trout?
21:07.10wasabiis there only one control channel?
21:07.15infernixafaik they don't use pppd
21:07.15dcordesfor AT yes
21:07.19wasabiHmm.
21:07.27infernixbut again i havent investigated
21:07.27dcordesinfernix, I know the stock images don't use it
21:07.31infernixask #android
21:07.46dcordesdid
21:08.02wasabiI can't imagine it not being done through PPP. Since all ISP data connections use PPP.
21:08.08wasabiThat I'm aware of.
21:08.13dcordeswasabi, but AT does not everything. there are other mecahnisms to control modem. I think audio settings are done using the msm proc_comm
21:08.30infernixjust browse the source if you want to find out
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21:09.00wasabiThis sierra aircard I have here is also interesting. You get 3 control channels. One you can use to initiate a voice dial. The other a data dial and then PPP, and the other will notify you on network status changes.
21:09.29wasabiand txt messages
21:09.37dcordesinfernix, as you know in the kais smd code we got the normal ppp channel. on the g1 there is rmnet
21:09.54wasabiAnyways, my main point of interest is getting a real distro on it, X, and maemo.
21:09.55dcordesand I wonder how difficult it will be to use it with common tools
21:10.02wasabiAnd then playing with writing a telepathy backend for the voice.
21:10.25dcordeswasabi, sounds interesting. I will try helping out where I can.
21:10.38infernixwasabi: you can start wrapping it around your brain with a sweatband
21:10.43wasabihehe
21:10.44dcordeswasabi, I'm currently trying to get the openmoko phone api working with msm72* modems.
21:13.39infernixwasabi: dmesg http://pastebin.com/d3c731f1f
21:13.51wasabihope mine gets here asap.
21:14.55wasabicool thx
21:14.56dcordesinfernix, I think there is no point looking at the sources since the rmnet library is not in there
21:15.11infernixdcordes: well the source must talk to the library
21:15.19infernixi think that would be a good starting point
21:15.37infernixmy guess is it's easier to do that than to reverse engineer the lib
21:15.45infernixbut IANAC so YMMV
21:16.17dcordeshttp://git.android.com/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/net/msm_rmnet.c;h=36911a4e5163031edf747a7fe1fd8c8db25ebae3;hb=6cd5a6fc5ea47dec067ff3d11521b924a9e4dd90
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21:28.46tmzt_you will probably have to use ppp on the windows HTC devices, at least until they start using rmnet/qmi in the AMSS
21:29.26tmzt_voice is probably an audio routing problem, needing the correct proc_comm commands
21:30.03tmzt_I would like to see Telepathy wrapping fso api's for a combined chat/voice calling program, but fso is not Telepathy now
21:31.49dcordestmzt_, can rmnet data flow be used with normal linux distro?
21:32.11tmzt_it's just an ethernet device, but the AMSS has to support it
21:32.16tmzt_netdev
21:34.23dcordesgreat so it's actually much better than the ppp stuff
21:34.35tmzt_less overhead
21:34.43tmzt_what device are you trying this on?
21:34.47dcordesg1 still uses the normal AT dialing?
21:34.59tmzt_for data?
21:35.08tmzt_I think it uses qmi to start the connection
21:35.15dcordeswasabi, has been wondering about normal linux userspace stuff on the g1 developer device he will receive.
21:35.49tmzt_I think replacing the recovery partition is the way to do it, but replacing the primary partition should work too
21:36.03tmzt_the bootload can be configured to use any cmdline, just like haret
21:37.04tmzt_<PROTECTED>
21:37.32tmzt_I wonder if the bootloader allows nbh flashing though, something suggested it might not if the fastboot is corrupt and the eng bootloader is used
21:37.42dcordesthey use qmi to start the connection... what is qmi?
21:37.47tmzt_this would make supporting the dev phones harder than it probably should be
21:38.04tmzt_look in the kernel, it's a basic ascii protocol from what I can see
21:38.52dcordesare there other modem operations outsourced from smd0 ?
21:40.15tmzt_I thought you had singleline partly working on there?
21:40.31tmzt_what are you asking?
21:41.45dcordesI am wondering in how far controling the modem with g1 amss is differnt from contorling the modem with the old amss
21:43.54tmzt_I don't know of any differences other than trout using qmi to start a rmnet connection, I assume that dialing ***1 (gprs command) works with ppp on smd1
21:44.04tmzt_(don't know the gprs command, but that's what I mean)
21:44.49dcordesso you think you can use both, rmnet and the old style connection?
21:45.09tmzt_yes
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21:46.20dcordesok
21:47.02dcordesbbl
21:55.48Loki657Anyone working on the Raph here atm?
21:58.11tmzt_hi again Loki657, doesn't look like it right now
21:58.20tmzt_wasabi: are you still here?
21:59.15wasabiYeah
21:59.53tmzt_the kernel source has the qmi and rmnet, I think you just need to bring up the interface and negotiate the ip address somehow
22:00.17tmzt_how is X working?
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22:01.38Bally3_hi jigsaw.. got guests so i'll be on later
22:01.54Bally3_did you have a read on the logs?
22:03.00thejigsawyeap
22:03.04thejigsawi am setting up the ubuntu now'
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22:43.28tmzt_NetRipper: you probably don't need a board for DIAM, just is_mach_diam100() | is_mach_diam800() and a seperate MTYPE
22:44.01tmzt_you don't want to use #ifdef because it should be possible to build both in the same kernel
22:44.07NetRippertmzt_, well not specifically diam100/diam800 but more like is_mach_diamond and is_mach_raphael
22:44.11NetRipperyes
22:44.21NetRipperdoesn't each mtype have its own boardfile?
22:44.29NetRipperor can you give one boardfile multiple mtypes
22:44.37tmzt_I think we will need seperate MTYPEs for cmda/gsm unless, based on what swetland said
22:44.59tmzt_yes, just include it multiple times in the Makefile, look at mach-pxa ezx.c for an example
22:45.50tmzt_sorry, I think you need a CONFIG_* something and have both select it in the Kconfig
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22:46.27NetRippertmzt_, ok i'll check it out
22:46.32NetRipperbut we'll get 4 mtypes then
22:46.38NetRipperraph100/raph800/diam100/diam800
22:46.47NetRipper(need diff between raph/diam for gpio differences)
22:46.57Loki657whats the difference between the raph100 and raph800? (GSM and CDMA?)
22:47.10tmzt_there is already a CONFIG_AMSS for g1, we might need one for the windows HTCs version
22:47.23NetRippermodem and panel, and possibly more
22:47.31tmzt_it seems there are more differences than we expected
22:48.26tmzt_if we can get vreg and clk apis implemented, it might be posible to have most differences be on the AMSS option
22:48.52tmzt_anyway, have you found anything on SDCC clocks?
22:50.16NetRipperi'm going to check out lavender.t's patch tomorrow
22:50.20NetRipperjust give it a shot at raphael
22:50.24NetRipperto see what it does
22:50.32NetRipperhoping it wont fry my device
22:50.33NetRipper;)
22:50.37tmzt_lavender-t: you here?
22:50.43NetRipperhe posted his diff on forum
22:50.52NetRipperhe made progress, it detects the size and the sd card
22:50.55tmzt_with the clock-7x00 ?
22:50.59NetRipperbut actual data transfer was not yet possible
22:51.02NetRipperyes
22:51.10tmzt_oh, it detects the card?
22:51.11NetRipperyes
22:51.26tmzt_which device does he have?
22:51.33NetRipperhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3043596&postcount=1105
22:51.33NetRipperdiamond
22:51.35NetRipperso
22:51.37NetRipperit detects movinand
22:51.39NetRippernot card
22:51.42NetRipper(sorry for confusion)
22:51.56tmzt_oh, that might be a different clock
22:52.30tmzt_would the ether function work on g1 with a modified kernel?
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22:52.52NetRipperit should
22:53.05NetRipperyou have to enable ether on two places inthe kernel though
22:53.16NetRipperboth as config option, and you have to add it in board file
22:53.32tmzt_ok, do you have a patch for this (just the driver)?
22:53.48NetRipperthe ether.c? you can get that from any git
22:53.58NetRipperi dont have a diff
22:53.59tmzt_the android function version?
22:54.21NetRipperit's included in the android git
22:54.24NetRipperjust not enabled
22:54.43tmzt_oh, who was trying to convert that to NetChips/RNDIS?
22:54.44NetRipperyou may need to change the product/vendor id
22:54.50NetRipperwell
22:54.56NetRipperwe did that for raph/diam
22:55.02NetRipperlavender-t did that as well i think
22:55.18NetRipperyes he did
22:55.29NetRipperhttp://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=commit;h=df6bc3917c80b8e4e6d718d58e4ca227259a8408
22:55.32tmzt_so it should work on g1, just not on polaris/vogue ?
22:55.32NetRipperthat's the patch
22:55.32NetRipperit's minor
22:55.51NetRipperit doesn't work on polaris/vogue because usb driver doesn't work there
22:55.56NetRipperusb driver does work on g1
22:55.56NetRipper;)
22:56.17NetRipperhttp://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=commit;h=6dd4ca4878b7c2d8cacf09632fdc446851d4232b apply that patch as well, fixes a typo
22:56.42NetRipperbrb 10 min
22:56.42tmzt_is that usbnet then?
22:56.47NetRippercdc_ether
22:56.55NetRipperit'll create a usb0 on your pc
22:57.01NetRipperand usb1
22:57.10NetRipperthen usb1 is the functional one
22:57.29NetRipperyou need a 2.6.25+ kernel on your pc side though
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23:18.57NetRipperright
23:19.02NetRipperoff to bed
23:19.04NetRippergood night
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23:30.26Loki657night

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