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| 02:37.23 | aaron | i'm trying to hunt down zdooder's code for titan keyboard support.. anybody have a clue who has it? |
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| 03:07.22 | tmzt | aaron: unfortunately no |
| 03:08.00 | tmzt | but he started with kaiser keyboard and used gpio-keys (maybe on cpld) |
| 03:08.53 | tmzt | basic keyboard source was on his site akropolis though |
| 03:09.06 | tmzt | not sidebuttons thoguh |
| 03:30.27 | aaron | tmzt: thanks |
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| 03:53.58 | BHSPitMonkey | tmzt, what's up |
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| 04:11.44 | tmzt | BHSPitMonkey: got bluetooth mostly working on my phone so I'm working on that |
| 04:12.00 | tmzt | need python script for 4.x |
| 04:21.11 | tmzt | well I would but this is 3.36 so I need to compile passkey-agent |
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| 05:10.49 | ALoGeNo | morning.. |
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| 07:52.24 | dcordes | morning |
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| 08:01.41 | BHSPitMonkey | tmzt, you around? |
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| 08:58.22 | skrzeka | hello |
| 08:58.46 | skrzeka | anyone has knowledge how to crosscompile gcc and glibc from arm |
| 08:59.20 | skrzeka | i'm trying to crosscompile glibc-2.7 and gcc-4.3.2 |
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| 09:08.15 | Foxdie | hi all |
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| 09:11.48 | Foxdie | any news these days? |
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| 09:14.04 | Foxdie | BabelO_, just the guy I wanted to speak to :) |
| 09:14.32 | Foxdie | are you here? :) |
| 09:15.49 | BabelO_ | Foxdie: yes |
| 09:17.32 | Foxdie | how are you? |
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| 09:20.49 | Foxdie | I'd like to ask, is there any news on HTC Artemis linux development? |
| 09:20.54 | Foxdie | seems stale at the moment |
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| 09:35.23 | skrzeka | hmm anyone knows how to crosscompile gcc and glibc for arm? |
| 09:36.57 | rm | I just googled and downloaded a tar gz with an already compiled gcc |
| 09:37.04 | skrzeka | i have complain from glibc about crt1.o |
| 09:37.27 | skrzeka | do you have link? |
| 09:38.41 | skrzeka | i'm trying to crosscompile gcc-4.2.3 |
| 09:38.50 | skrzeka | with glibc-2.7 |
| 09:39.49 | BabelO_ | Foxdie: no real news, still same state since June, maybe i try to work a bit more on it soon |
| 09:58.30 | marajin | mornin' |
| 09:58.37 | Foxdie | if you could, that would be awesome :) |
| 09:58.55 | marajin | Hey BabelO_ how's it going? Haven't spoken to you in a few weeks |
| 09:59.10 | Foxdie | I have an artemis, I was about to upgrade to a dream / G1, but after seeing so many people complain about it I've been deterred a little, but yearn for linux on a portable device :) |
| 09:59.47 | Foxdie | used to have a Uni but it won't boot up past the initial screen anymore, and can't reflash wince because the USB port is broken :( |
| 09:59.52 | BabelO_ | Foxdie: did you try my auto install image ? |
| 09:59.52 | skrzeka | i have also artemis and plan to spend some time making it work with linux |
| 10:00.12 | BabelO_ | marajin: i m good, playing with other thing :) and you ? |
| 10:00.18 | Foxdie | haven't tried it yet, I need GSM support (inc. GPRS) as I use it as my main telephone too |
| 10:00.43 | Foxdie | wifi I don't care about because the T-Mobile version (which I have) doesn't have wifi |
| 10:00.56 | BabelO_ | Foxdie: for GSM , i think there is not a lot to do, it works on wizard, but artemis seem to be little different |
| 10:00.57 | skrzeka | i have also without wifi |
| 10:01.10 | skrzeka | i plan to play with gsm |
| 10:01.15 | BabelO_ | oh ok |
| 10:01.19 | skrzeka | this is the part that intrest me |
| 10:01.42 | Foxdie | skrzeka, you have artemis too? |
| 10:01.46 | skrzeka | yes |
| 10:01.47 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: if you want to look at GSM, you have kernel available at git.linuxtogo.org in htc-omap branch |
| 10:01.58 | Foxdie | there you go BabelO, 2 people who want GSM support on artemis ^_^ |
| 10:01.59 | skrzeka | yes i compiled kernel |
| 10:02.04 | skrzeka | its booting and running |
| 10:02.19 | Foxdie | I'm sensing a "but" |
| 10:02.19 | skrzeka | it's mounting my ext2 partition from mmc |
| 10:02.48 | skrzeka | right now i need libs etc. |
| 10:02.54 | skrzeka | starting from glibc |
| 10:03.14 | skrzeka | i'm trying to compile toolchain from gnuarm.org |
| 10:04.58 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: why not use OE ? to build your toolchain and other thing ? |
| 10:05.21 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: does your screen works ok with this kernel ? and did you try apm -s comamnd ? |
| 10:05.33 | skrzeka | hmm i have some problems with OE |
| 10:05.33 | BabelO_ | i have some problem for suspend i need to solve |
| 10:05.47 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: which one ? |
| 10:06.00 | skrzeka | BabelO: i have only kernel |
| 10:06.11 | BabelO_ | shoragan: but you have my image too ? |
| 10:06.12 | BabelO_ | no ? |
| 10:06.29 | BabelO_ | shoragan: sorry :) |
| 10:06.43 | skrzeka | hmm i downloaded by git |
| 10:06.47 | marajin | BabelO_: Not too bad, just shouting at the government as usual |
| 10:06.52 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: my image at linuxtogo ? if you remove qtopia directory it is fresh image |
| 10:06.59 | skrzeka | git clone git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded |
| 10:07.05 | marajin | I won my appeal at tribunal but now they're saying they didn't get the paperwork yet |
| 10:07.17 | Foxdie | appeal for what? |
| 10:07.24 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcartemis/qtopia/ |
| 10:07.29 | marajin | some payment |
| 10:07.39 | Foxdie | ahh, being stiffed for redundancy pay? |
| 10:07.46 | marajin | nah, incapacity benefit |
| 10:07.54 | Foxdie | ahh ok |
| 10:07.59 | skrzeka | yea i was looking at it but saw that is from may |
| 10:08.04 | Foxdie | best of luck |
| 10:08.49 | skrzeka | beside i need working compiler to write code |
| 10:08.57 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: yes but still ok |
| 10:08.58 | BabelO_ | ok |
| 10:09.04 | marajin | but they owe me like 450 Euro and then they have to double what they give me every week |
| 10:09.55 | marajin | oh well you're in the UK so in that case, they owe me 375 quid and need to up my weekly from 38 to 75 quid |
| 10:10.12 | marajin | and that's going to come in blood handy what with it being christmas |
| 10:10.17 | marajin | *bloody |
| 10:10.19 | skrzeka | BabelO: If you have knowledge how to prepare working environment to code in C for artemis i will welcome any help |
| 10:10.52 | Foxdie | marajin, agreed |
| 10:10.54 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: quick way is to download toolchain at codesourcery.com |
| 10:11.18 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: and uncompress my tar.bz2 file in a partition on you sdcard |
| 10:11.19 | Foxdie | ahh you're on BE there too :) |
| 10:11.22 | Foxdie | where abouts you from dude? |
| 10:11.27 | Foxdie | Birmingham here |
| 10:11.36 | marajin | I'm not on be, I'm on o2 |
| 10:11.42 | marajin | which is like be with less retarded support |
| 10:11.46 | skrzeka | ok i have their toolchain |
| 10:11.49 | Foxdie | chuckles |
| 10:11.54 | skrzeka | i used it to compile kernel |
| 10:12.02 | marajin | well Be have outsourced support don't they? |
| 10:12.09 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: so you can keep it that's enough |
| 10:12.12 | marajin | o2 do it in the UK, tier 2 is easy to get to and they're in leeds |
| 10:12.20 | Foxdie | yeah, the few times I've had to call up support they've been foreign and "speshul" :) |
| 10:12.36 | marajin | o2's tech support scare me. They can out techie me half the time |
| 10:12.46 | Foxdie | o2 do LLU though? |
| 10:13.27 | marajin | yes |
| 10:13.35 | Foxdie | hmm, might have to look at them |
| 10:13.37 | marajin | I get a pretty consistant 20/2 from them |
| 10:13.39 | marajin | for 15/month |
| 10:13.44 | Foxdie | wish I bloody did |
| 10:13.55 | marajin | yeah Be are imfamous for it |
| 10:13.59 | Foxdie | 18 quid a month gets me 6.5/1.3 with them |
| 10:14.00 | skrzeka | BabelO: what did You used to compile sources on Your image? |
| 10:14.07 | marajin | I actually pay 20/month for 20/2 + static IP |
| 10:14.40 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: i use OE compiler for the whole image and codesourcery for kernel and modules |
| 10:14.44 | Foxdie | and the BEbox (their name for the wifi ap / adsl2 router) keeps locking up, have to physically power cycle it about twice a week |
| 10:15.07 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: and i do all my devel with codesourcery toolchain artemis and blueangel |
| 10:15.08 | Foxdie | yeah I get a static IP too, although don't leave anything turned on in the house to take advantage of that |
| 10:15.29 | Foxdie | somewhat good for slipping past works firewalls though |
| 10:15.35 | marajin | they're great, you can phone them up and spend an hour having them tweak your SNR and change your modulation and whatnot |
| 10:15.45 | Foxdie | 0800 support number? |
| 10:15.51 | skrzeka | BabelO: hmm so probably i need to read more about OE |
| 10:15.52 | marajin | and they will just change your package deal whenever you want. no cost |
| 10:15.57 | marajin | 0800 24/7 support yeah |
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| 10:16.01 | Foxdie | now I'm intrigued |
| 10:16.15 | Foxdie | any up/download limits? |
| 10:16.17 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: what is your problem with OE ? else you can try on #oe channel for questions |
| 10:16.18 | marajin | none |
| 10:16.27 | marajin | if your exchange isn't overloaded they don't actually care what you do |
| 10:16.35 | marajin | so as long as your neighbours are light users.. |
| 10:16.41 | skrzeka | when i try to compile something on OE i was getting some python error |
| 10:16.54 | marajin | I download hundreds of gigs per month, per week sometimes |
| 10:17.21 | marajin | my stats are 45/55 GB transfered down/up for the last 4 1/2 days for example |
| 10:18.12 | skrzeka | BabelO: ok i have OE i go to OE dir, in packages i have glibc, what should i do to compile it? |
| 10:18.30 | marajin | Foxdie: The fun thing with support is, phone after 11pm and you automatically get tier 2 support |
| 10:19.11 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: you have to go in build dir, bitbake angstrom-console-image is what you want |
| 10:19.20 | Foxdie | jeez, I'm nowhere near that usage |
| 10:19.31 | marajin | On the downside... the BeBox == the O2wirelessbox |
| 10:19.49 | marajin | but I found that if I turn it upside down for airflow purposes, it actually doesn't lock up anywhere near as bad |
| 10:19.52 | marajin | they just run too hot |
| 10:19.56 | Foxdie | do you have the smaller white thomson box? |
| 10:20.01 | Foxdie | or the larger black one? |
| 10:20.05 | marajin | nah I have the original chunky black one |
| 10:20.10 | marajin | the 780WL |
| 10:20.10 | Foxdie | OH so its overheating :) |
| 10:20.15 | Foxdie | I have the smaller white one |
| 10:20.18 | marajin | but they all overheat |
| 10:20.28 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: you have to follow here http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Main_Page |
| 10:20.33 | Foxdie | but its on a windowsill on the other side of the curtains, typically very cool |
| 10:20.41 | marajin | yeah but the vents are under the router |
| 10:20.41 | Foxdie | but I'll try turning it upside down :) |
| 10:21.05 | marajin | mine used to reboot daily till I did that :P |
| 10:21.32 | Foxdie | bah, 5 quid discount if you're already an o2 customer, shame I'm t-mo :/ |
| 10:21.38 | marajin | yeah |
| 10:21.59 | Foxdie | mine tends to disconnect a lot, and physically locks up a couple of times a week |
| 10:22.14 | marajin | hmm I've been sync'd for 4 1/2 days and the router has been on for 6 1/2 |
| 10:22.16 | marajin | =) |
| 10:22.45 | Foxdie | I think i'm gonna disable the wireless on it (have a "modified" airport express instead) and turn it upside down upon your suggestion and see how that fairs |
| 10:23.22 | Foxdie | I remember, one day when I was at a previous address, using the black bebox, I got 7 days sync, I was pretty amazed :) |
| 10:23.30 | marajin | heh |
| 10:23.35 | Foxdie | it was somewhat like jigging around ancient TV aerials |
| 10:23.35 | marajin | I've had 16 or so before |
| 10:24.01 | Foxdie | the router was stood on its side, the RJ11 cable coiled up with a iron core on it |
| 10:24.10 | marajin | heh :P |
| 10:24.27 | marajin | the router is upside down, there's no iron core or anything or coiling. And it'd be a high noise environment |
| 10:24.46 | Foxdie | ahh, washing machines etc |
| 10:24.48 | marajin | at least two HTC devices nearby, and basically it's surrounded by 3 desktops and a laptop |
| 10:25.09 | marajin | and there's all kindsa wireless/bluetooth/you name it signals |
| 10:25.30 | Foxdie | mines plugged into its own socket on the wall, but then the TV / sky box / xbox / laptop is on the next plug |
| 10:25.38 | marajin | aye |
| 10:26.00 | marajin | just saying, mostly it's just a matter of not overheating the boxes and they tend to be ok |
| 10:26.31 | marajin | they're still not ideal routers though. If I ever pick up enough cash I may spring for a gigabit + n router |
| 10:26.49 | Foxdie | if BE didn't want the box back afterwards, I'd tap it for a 12v supply and mod it (fit a 80mm fan or something, then raise it off the windowsill to give it better airflow) |
| 10:27.00 | Foxdie | yeah I thought about getting a new router |
| 10:27.08 | Foxdie | but then very few these days support annex M |
| 10:27.18 | Foxdie | and I know presently I'm not on M, but may need it in future |
| 10:27.31 | marajin | I am actually |
| 10:27.39 | skrzeka | bitbake angstrom-console-image |
| 10:27.42 | skrzeka | ERROR: Unable to parse conf/bitbake.conf (conf/bitbake.conf:341: unparsed line: 'export PATH') |
| 10:27.45 | Foxdie | 2.5mbit upstream is... useful for live video streaming ^_^ |
| 10:27.47 | marajin | G.992.5 Annex M US 56 |
| 10:28.24 | marajin | o2 will just fiddle around with it if you ask them to, but on the 20Mbps package it's automatically used for the 2+ mbps upload yeah |
| 10:28.25 | Foxdie | hmm, o2's max upstream is 1.6mbit? |
| 10:28.27 | skrzeka | probably i set wrong something in build/local.cond |
| 10:28.38 | marajin | Foxdie: they say that but they'll switch you to annex M for 2+ if you ask |
| 10:28.52 | marajin | I think it's a cover for if they haven't upgraded your exchange |
| 10:29.05 | Foxdie | ahhh |
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| 10:29.25 | Foxdie | to be honest, I live about 3 miles from the nearest exchange and all the copper in birmingham is naff anyway |
| 10:29.37 | marajin | I have overhead phonelines still :P |
| 10:29.38 | Foxdie | I probably wouldn't see more than 8 meg anyway |
| 10:29.57 | marajin | maybe.. can but try if you're feeling adventurous I guess |
| 10:30.20 | skrzeka | BabelO: what MACHINE you used in local.conf of OE? |
| 10:30.39 | Foxdie | ahh, 1 year contract with them |
| 10:30.45 | Foxdie | BE is 3 months |
| 10:30.54 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: i have only one setup, i use blueangel, because anyway i override the generated kernel by my self made |
| 10:30.54 | Foxdie | and you pay an extra 5 quid for a static IP? |
| 10:30.59 | Foxdie | so its 25 quid a month? |
| 10:31.14 | marajin | yes but they knock the 5 off again cause I have an o2 phone |
| 10:31.17 | Foxdie | BabelO, that explains why the blueangel has much better development :) |
| 10:31.32 | marajin | Foxdie: and bear in mind o2 have a wossname.. money back clause |
| 10:31.35 | Foxdie | my other half has a blueangel, but won't let me near it to put linux on it >:) |
| 10:31.50 | marajin | if it's naff after a few weeks you can just claim all money back and switch |
| 10:31.52 | Foxdie | "money back guarantee" |
| 10:31.55 | Foxdie | 30 days |
| 10:32.02 | marajin | is it now? it used to be 100 |
| 10:32.03 | marajin | heh |
| 10:32.15 | Foxdie | ooh I like what they say here; |
| 10:32.25 | Foxdie | "A static IP address is available with all packages (excluding Access). You won't need this for general Internet use, but it's great if you want to run your own email, web or gaming servers" |
| 10:32.31 | marajin | yeah |
| 10:32.33 | marajin | I liked that :P |
| 10:32.37 | Foxdie | its the last part that amuses me :) |
| 10:32.43 | Foxdie | like they EXPECT you to be running services |
| 10:32.43 | marajin | they really do have a fairly liberal policy |
| 10:33.02 | marajin | Like I said, they can outtechie me. They're all geeks |
| 10:33.08 | marajin | they know what geeks want from internet connections |
| 10:33.29 | Foxdie | hmm, cellphone contract is due for renewal in a couple of weeks, might port to o2, get a iphone3g, and switch to o2 broadband |
| 10:33.44 | marajin | why oh why would you want an iPhone 3G? |
| 10:33.52 | marajin | especially considering progress with the diamond/raphael |
| 10:33.54 | Foxdie | to stamp on it :) |
| 10:33.58 | marajin | haha |
| 10:34.09 | rl2000 | maraijn: Self-toture |
| 10:34.20 | Foxdie | I wanted one badly, I'm the IT manager for a pro-apple web development company |
| 10:34.21 | skrzeka | BabelO: hmm i changed MACHINE="htcblueangel" BBFILES = "/usr/src/htc/openembedded/packages/*/*.bb" |
| 10:34.22 | marajin | get a raph and fiddle with linux on it like a sensible person |
| 10:34.37 | Foxdie | boss got himself and the other directors one, but not me |
| 10:34.41 | skrzeka | i need to dig what it complains for |
| 10:34.51 | Foxdie | I even said I was willing to pay some of the cost of the 100 quid it'd cost to get an additional handset |
| 10:35.03 | Foxdie | bastard still won't get me one |
| 10:35.13 | marajin | tight fisted arseholes though upper management always are |
| 10:35.27 | Foxdie | and expects me to use my own mobile (this is why I need voice calling / GSM support on Artemis HTC Linux) to receive incoming calls for work |
| 10:35.32 | rl2000 | I don't feel like the iphone is nerdie enough for me though. Also, it's too big imho |
| 10:35.57 | rl2000 | It's a nice phone for regular "power" users |
| 10:35.58 | Foxdie | one day I'm just gonna turn my phone off when there's a major outage |
| 10:35.59 | skrzeka | BabelO: did you point OE to toolchain? |
| 10:36.12 | skrzeka | CC |
| 10:36.16 | marajin | Foxdie: Yeah I would |
| 10:36.16 | skrzeka | or something |
| 10:36.30 | marajin | 'What, it's my phone, I'm allowed to turn it off' |
| 10:36.57 | Foxdie | mind you, outages mean more money for me, double overtime plus 40p per mile (and the datacenter is in manchester, so 180 mile round trip, 60 quid in my pocket) |
| 10:37.16 | Foxdie | probably why I leave my phone on I guess :) |
| 10:37.29 | marajin | Foxdie: I live near manchester, want me to sneak in with an axe then? ;) |
| 10:37.41 | Foxdie | how well do you know IFL? >:) |
| 10:37.41 | marajin | a few chops and we can both get new devices :p |
| 10:38.12 | marajin | Er I know OF it, that's about all |
| 10:38.16 | Foxdie | (IFL as in the ex-university-ran datacenter in Hulme, near the city center) |
| 10:38.30 | Foxdie | hehe |
| 10:38.42 | Foxdie | mediocre datacenter I guess |
| 10:39.07 | Foxdie | have lost power to our servers a couple of times despite there being "supposed" contingencies for power loss |
| 10:39.07 | marajin | anyway, I better jet, gotta down a coupla cups of coffee and be out the door for 11 |
| 10:39.15 | Foxdie | np dude, nice talking with you :) |
| 10:39.19 | marajin | catcha around |
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| 10:39.47 | Foxdie | I'm on freenode 24/7 with this nick, just tend to float around channels :) |
| 10:39.55 | Foxdie | wb BabelO |
| 10:39.59 | BabelO1 | :) |
| 10:43.48 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: no just follow OE Getting started, it built toolchain for you |
| 10:44.31 | marajin | heh, actually turns out I have an extra 15 minutes, so nevermind, back for a bit ;) |
| 10:44.46 | marajin | 40p a mile is quite nice though, I just worked it out and it'd only be costing me roughly 10p a mile |
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| 10:46.04 | Foxdie | costing you 10p? |
| 10:46.10 | Foxdie | or thats the max they'll give you? |
| 10:46.16 | Foxdie | and is that with a company car? |
| 10:46.29 | Foxdie | mines with using my own car |
| 10:49.45 | marajin | nah that's what it'd actually cost |
| 10:49.51 | skrzeka | BabelO: hmm i'm trying and i get error form bitbake.conf |
| 10:49.59 | skrzeka | line 341 export PATH |
| 10:50.02 | dcordes | hi |
| 10:50.05 | skrzeka | i commented out |
| 10:50.06 | marajin | hey dcordes |
| 10:50.18 | skrzeka | and now i get export DISPLAY |
| 10:50.19 | dcordes | Foxdie many people complain about g1? |
| 10:50.34 | skrzeka | ERROR: Unable to parse conf/bitbake.conf (classes/devshell.bbclass:6: unparsed line: 'export DISPLAY') |
| 10:50.43 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: noo, did you follow getting started ? |
| 10:50.48 | skrzeka | yes |
| 10:51.00 | skrzeka | i set paths |
| 10:51.37 | skrzeka | MACHINE DISTRO BBFILES |
| 10:51.39 | Foxdie | dcordes, yep, check the android community forums |
| 10:51.40 | Foxdie | so many faults |
| 10:51.56 | skrzeka | i'm using system bitbake |
| 10:52.03 | Foxdie | marajin, with my lead foot (I drive a GTI) it works out about 30p a mile for me |
| 10:52.16 | skrzeka | 1.8.8 |
| 10:53.47 | skrzeka | hmm maybe this is a problem |
| 10:53.54 | dcordes | Foxdie at spiegel.de they said unless you manually install an update, the phone will reboot as soon as you type reboot in the sms app |
| 10:54.22 | Foxdie | thats correct |
| 10:54.26 | Foxdie | RC30 fixes that |
| 10:54.47 | Foxdie | the problem is, anything typed into a text box is also typed into a hidden telnet / console window |
| 10:54.58 | Foxdie | so if you type in "reboot" into a text field and hit enter, its executed as a system command too |
| 10:55.05 | dcordes | stoopid |
| 10:55.29 | Foxdie | not sure if anyones been stupid enough to type "rm -rf /" into a text message and hit enter |
| 10:55.33 | dcordes | doesn't the remote telnet availability sufice? |
| 10:55.37 | Foxdie | pretty sure they'd be returning their G1 if that happened :) |
| 10:55.50 | Foxdie | well, google have sealed that up too |
| 10:55.57 | Foxdie | "security risk" |
| 10:55.59 | dcordes | too? |
| 10:56.11 | dcordes | ah in the update it is removed? |
| 10:56.13 | Foxdie | this is one of the reasons I haven't got one yet, too much controversy |
| 10:56.18 | Foxdie | yep, that is correct |
| 10:56.26 | marajin | Foxdie: Ow :P |
| 10:56.36 | Foxdie | I hear rumours of SSHD built and installed on it, I hope its true |
| 10:56.42 | Foxdie | but I will wait a little while for it to mature a little more |
| 10:56.52 | dcordes | anyway, if I wat linux, I want it because it is more secure, uptodate and easier to ft my needs |
| 10:56.59 | Foxdie | whats hilarious is UK users of the G1 are still stuck at RC19, its a mess :) |
| 10:57.02 | dcordes | +1G1 does notd eliver this |
| 10:57.31 | Foxdie | T-Mo UK are "behind the times" |
| 10:57.55 | marajin | that's T-Mobile for you |
| 10:59.48 | Foxdie | well, 2 years ago they were ahead of the times with web'n'walk |
| 10:59.53 | Foxdie | but now they're lagging behind as it were |
| 11:00.00 | marajin | Alright, let's try this again :P catcha later people. I'll be back in an hour or so, hour anna half maybe |
| 11:00.04 | Foxdie | seems lifecycles are about 2 years |
| 11:00.09 | Foxdie | np, mind how you go mate |
| 11:00.21 | marajin | it's ok, I'll only run over 3 pedestrians today |
| 11:00.22 | marajin | ;) |
| 11:00.37 | marajin | I've put myself on a carnage diet |
| 11:01.38 | skrzeka | Anyone knows if htc artemis support SDHC under linux? |
| 11:03.09 | BabelO_ | skrzeka: it should but i have no sdcard |
| 11:03.21 | BabelO_ | no SDHC sdcard |
| 11:03.30 | skrzeka | BabelO: i will check then |
| 11:03.48 | skrzeka | hm i replaced bitbake with svn and it started to work |
| 11:03.56 | skrzeka | i got complain this time |
| 11:03.58 | skrzeka | ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'angstrom-console-image' |
| 11:04.51 | skrzeka | OE Build Configuration: |
| 11:04.52 | skrzeka | BB_VERSION = "1.8.11" |
| 11:04.52 | skrzeka | METADATA_BRANCH = "org.openembedded.dev" |
| 11:04.52 | skrzeka | METADATA_REVISION = "eca5576b3ddefb530a077d459fe3adc8b104d343" |
| 11:04.52 | skrzeka | TARGET_ARCH = "arm" |
| 11:04.52 | skrzeka | TARGET_OS = "linux-gnueabi" |
| 11:04.54 | skrzeka | MACHINE = "htcblueangel" |
| 11:04.56 | skrzeka | DISTRO = "angstrom" |
| 11:04.58 | skrzeka | DISTRO_VERSION = "2008.1-test-20081113" |
| 11:05.00 | skrzeka | TARGET_FPU = "soft" |
| 11:06.59 | dcordes | why would somebody want a linux device when thry can"'t venc hange kernels |
| 11:07.17 | Foxdie | "vent hange"? |
| 11:11.17 | dcordes | can't even change |
| 11:13.13 | Foxdie | ahh |
| 11:13.41 | Foxdie | tranquilizes dcordes so he doesn't rush his typing and confuse poor little foxes ^_^ |
| 11:14.17 | dcordes | dude thanks i'm just taking a break now |
| 11:14.29 | Foxdie | breaks are good |
| 11:14.34 | Foxdie | sat with some coffee right now |
| 11:16.17 | Foxdie | also, listening to rock music helps ^_^ |
| 11:19.33 | dcordes | preventing falling asleep during wrk? |
| 11:20.48 | Foxdie | precisely |
| 11:22.06 | Foxdie | had an uncomfortable night last night, first time alone (no pets, no humans etc) in over a decade, didn't sleep all that well |
| 11:22.44 | Foxdie | funny how you get used to sleeping next to someone, then when they go away on business, you think "yeah! I'll have the whole bed to myself and get a great nights sleep" |
| 11:22.51 | Foxdie | and infact, the opposite happens :) |
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| 11:34.53 | szsoftware | hi all |
| 11:35.10 | dcordes | hi my friend |
| 11:35.33 | Foxdie | hello |
| 11:36.37 | dcordes | Foxdie you work as software engineer? |
| 11:38.15 | Foxdie | Nope, network operations manager |
| 11:38.44 | Foxdie | I look after about 12 linux servers, few macs, couple of windows servers, and provide general tech support for the web development company I work for |
| 11:39.05 | Foxdie | do a bit of php development here and there, not sure if thats what you class as being a software engineer though |
| 11:40.01 | dcordes | and now you help your colleagues off site? |
| 11:40.55 | szsoftware | skrzeka: ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'angstrom-console-image' |
| 11:41.09 | szsoftware | skrzeka: what about "bitbake console-image" |
| 11:41.30 | skrzeka | i'm building glibc.. |
| 11:41.50 | skrzeka | bitbake its doing work on 365 packages.... |
| 11:41.52 | szsoftware | dcordes: hi there |
| 11:42.09 | skrzeka | q |
| 11:42.28 | skrzeka | dsfsdf |
| 11:42.38 | skrzeka | f |
| 11:42.39 | szsoftware | skrzeka: bitbake takes it's time, and some more, if it builds toolchain first |
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| 11:43.03 | skrzeka | i done bitbake glibc |
| 11:43.16 | skrzeka | and its doing work over 365 packages..... |
| 11:43.35 | Foxdie | I sometimes have to travel to our datacenter to fix said servers if they break |
| 11:43.50 | Foxdie | and sometimes do a little work out of hours at home if needed |
| 11:45.23 | szsoftware | skrzeka: 365 depending tasks? |
| 11:46.47 | szsoftware | skrzeka: you happy guy, last time i built (including toolchain), I had to wait for solving about 1600 tasks, haha. That means a lot of coffee.. |
| 11:48.01 | szsoftware | nice kernel hacking guide for german readers: http://ezs.kr.hsnr.de/TreiberBuch/ |
| 11:48.11 | szsoftware | just for the log |
| 11:48.27 | Foxdie | hands across coffee, has ample supply right now ^_^ |
| 11:49.16 | szsoftware | coffee: the mighty tool of the hacker |
| 11:50.10 | szsoftware | and my coffee tin is so bloody empty! ^^ |
| 11:50.57 | Foxdie | They do say the strength of a programmer is quite comparable to the amount of caffiene in his cup :) |
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| 11:55.53 | Foxdie | I just need to look at a chocolate bar and I feel like an elephant XD |
| 11:58.53 | skrzeka | Running task 184 of 395 : i'm almost in half the way. In the middle time working on crappy asterisk and mighty ser |
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| 12:22.13 | marajin | I return |
| 12:22.36 | marajin | Foxdie: What strength do you get if you've drunk 3 litres of red bull in an hour then? ;) |
| 12:22.51 | marajin | Yes I have done that, no it's not a sensible thing to do |
| 12:23.50 | Foxdie | that is quite simply not good for your health :) |
| 12:24.06 | Foxdie | I'd say you'd turn into the hulk or some crazy shit like that :) |
| 12:24.13 | marajin | yeah |
| 12:24.19 | marajin | I did go superhuman briefly :P |
| 12:24.21 | Foxdie | wings? you'd be a hawk above the sea of code. |
| 12:24.35 | Foxdie | maybe thats a new advertising slogan for them :) |
| 12:24.42 | marajin | Frankly I think if I wasn't as bulky as I am then I'd probably have had a heart attack doing that anyway ;) |
| 12:25.19 | marajin | It does work out as 3000mg of caffeine which is the minimum recorded fatal dose of caffeine |
| 12:25.59 | marajin | but you do have legendary reaction times for an hour :p |
| 12:26.07 | marajin | after that you're just shaking too bad to do anything of use anyway |
| 12:26.56 | marajin | I use alcohol for coding anyway, caffeine is for gaming ;) |
| 12:29.27 | Foxdie | hehehe, tremors :) |
| 12:29.37 | Foxdie | I get that after one cup of coffee, I drink it that irregularly |
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| 12:44.01 | marajin | Foxdie: heh. Well I code better drunk. I don't /understand/ the code the next day but by god it works |
| 12:46.29 | Foxdie | been there, it just seems to fit better in your head when you're drunk for some reason :) |
| 12:46.43 | Foxdie | you're screwed if you don't comment your code and try and read it the next day :)( |
| 12:46.45 | Foxdie | :) |
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| 12:56.22 | marajin | Foxdie: Oh I comment when I'm drunk, but "# This wibbles the wossaname and returns slart" isn't very helpful |
| 13:02.54 | Foxdie | :) |
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| 14:06.19 | dcordes | I drink smirnoff wodka with red bull at times |
| 14:06.36 | dcordes | it's not healthy |
| 14:07.49 | marajin | I don't like vodka |
| 14:07.54 | marajin | It tastes blah to me |
| 14:08.03 | marajin | I'll stick with my single malt scotch |
| 14:08.51 | Foxdie | vodka and redbull <3 |
| 14:09.11 | Foxdie | my poison seems to be southern belle whiskey and coke these days |
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| 14:11.02 | rl2000 | Nothing like a good gin & tonic with sapphire gin |
| 14:13.52 | marajin | Foxdie: I dunno, no taste some people :p |
| 14:16.18 | Foxdie | lol |
| 14:24.35 | Foxdie | wonders if babel0 will continue developing linux for artemis? ^_^ |
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| 14:43.16 | marajin | Foxdie: If we kidnap him and time him to the chair until he finishes developing I'm sure it'd get done |
| 14:51.45 | SanMehat | morning |
| 14:52.02 | marajin | hey SanMehat |
| 14:53.49 | BabelO_ | marajin: no, want you to pay me with pastis / ricard and pizza, then i ll look for more on artemis :) |
| 14:55.18 | SanMehat | hey marajin |
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| 15:04.24 | SanMehat | heh |
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| 15:07.48 | Foxdie | pizza |
| 15:07.50 | Foxdie | that I can pay you with :) |
| 15:07.57 | Foxdie | come round to my house :) |
| 15:08.01 | Foxdie | I'll bake you one |
| 15:10.28 | ali1234 | BabelO_: i have this theory about LCD detection... that we don't need to do it on any HTC omap device, because SPL already knows it... |
| 15:11.30 | ali1234 | when i boot with eol, the LCD control registers are already filled with the correct values, but the kernel wipes them for some reason |
| 15:12.53 | Foxdie | auto-detection, not a bad thing |
| 15:13.56 | ali1234 | Foxdie: auto detection isn't directly possible... at the moment each different device has it's parameters hard coded. some (like wizard) can have different LCDs, and we guess which one to use based on other things |
| 15:14.24 | Foxdie | Ahh, peculiar the manufacturer would change components |
| 15:15.05 | ali1234 | for each device it seems like there are some GPIOs tied with resistors to indicate the screen type |
| 15:15.50 | ali1234 | so you have to detect the device type (wizard, artemis etc) and then have a table of what the gpios mean for each device |
| 15:16.12 | ali1234 | vs just reading the parameters set by SPL, which should always work |
| 15:17.27 | ali1234 | the advantage being it will work for all future devices, as well as old ones we havn't seen yet |
| 15:18.27 | ali1234 | i can't really see a reason why this wouldn't work |
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| 16:03.53 | cr2 | hehe. firewalled to death. |
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| 16:14.39 | Foxdie | wb cr2 :) |
| 16:15.56 | cr2 | hi Foxdie |
| 16:16.04 | Foxdie | been a while, how are you? |
| 16:16.44 | cr2 | it seems that ssh is throttled, so the konversation is very unhappy |
| 16:17.03 | cr2 | yeah, i have a new job, and a lot of problems :) |
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| 16:18.00 | Foxdie | what kind of problems? |
| 16:18.05 | Foxdie | and congrats on the new job |
| 16:18.25 | cr2 | no time for hacking, but a 16day christmas vacation. the joys of publicc service in Germany |
| 16:18.58 | Foxdie | "public service"? |
| 16:19.16 | cr2 | problems finding an inexpensive apartment, and moving thing there |
| 16:19.41 | Foxdie | ahh |
| 16:20.39 | cr2 | don't know the exact english translation for "öffentlicher Dienst" |
| 16:23.40 | cr2 | so i've put my phones somewhere, and don't do any hacking for last two weeks |
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| 16:24.38 | Foxdie | öffentlicher Dienst = Public Service |
| 16:24.42 | cr2 | good news for kiozen, though. i'm busy with GIS stuff now, and will do some work for GT/M for sure. |
| 16:24.43 | Foxdie | what does your job equire? |
| 16:24.48 | Foxdie | *require |
| 16:24.52 | Foxdie | what is your function? |
| 16:25.46 | Foxdie | maybe I can translate it for you |
| 16:25.54 | cr2 | lol, signed an NDA on the first day ;) |
| 16:26.32 | Foxdie | ahh, so I take a guess, software development for the police? |
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| 16:27.01 | Foxdie | I'm pretty sure you don't break NDA just to say you develop software for police :) |
| 16:27.06 | Foxdie | and speak of the devil :) |
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| 16:28.04 | cr2 | the functions itself ? no, i'm doing atmospheric science as before |
| 16:28.07 | cr2 | hehe. i've told 10000 times on this channel that i'm not a programmer by any count- |
| 16:28.25 | Foxdie | heh |
| 16:28.36 | Foxdie | you give off the "vibe" that you're some uber-programmer :) |
| 16:28.59 | cr2 | meta-programmer :) |
| 16:29.12 | Foxdie | hehe |
| 16:29.20 | Foxdie | stick it in the topic :) |
| 16:29.45 | cr2 | is your uni dead now ? |
| 16:29.49 | Foxdie | yes :( |
| 16:29.59 | cr2 | :( |
| 16:30.05 | Foxdie | I try and power it on, it gets to first boot screen, then hangs there |
| 16:30.10 | Foxdie | and I can't reflash because USB port is broken off |
| 16:30.23 | Foxdie | so it collects dust on my desk for 2 months now |
| 16:30.37 | cr2 | reflash from SD ? |
| 16:31.02 | Foxdie | how? I follow post on xda-developers, but doesn't seem to work |
| 16:31.07 | Foxdie | it just doesn't detect the files on the SD card |
| 16:31.29 | cr2 | you need to create a special SD image |
| 16:31.31 | Foxdie | it just says "SERIAL" with backlight on display turned off |
| 16:31.57 | Foxdie | I used the tool to specially format my SD card |
| 16:32.12 | Foxdie | and put the files on the SD |
| 16:32.17 | Foxdie | and I tried multiple SD cards |
| 16:32.19 | cr2 | it's not a problem |
| 16:32.22 | cr2 | but you need a specially crafted sd image |
| 16:32.50 | cr2 | maybe i'll post something to xda-dev given some more time |
| 16:33.11 | Foxdie | you'd be a hero if you did, my Uni was used every day before it died |
| 16:33.14 | cr2 | ok, need to leave now. bye |
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| 16:48.31 | BabelO_ | ali1234: we need LCD detection to do correct suspend / resume, else it is not possible |
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| 17:07.26 | ali1234 | BabelO_: can't we just save the register contents and reload them after suspend? |
| 17:09.09 | BabelO_ | ali1234: no, because as i say before, some LCD need a special spi initialization sequence |
| 17:09.39 | ali1234 | i see |
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| 18:35.21 | szsoftwa1e | evening |
| 18:43.41 | ren1 | bjr sans arret "il" me dit des Error trying to create /home/user/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals.lockXXXXXX.tmp: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:43.41 | ren1 | zavez des idees.. |
| 18:44.36 | nizox | :D |
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