| 00:10.42 | tmzt | Kevin2: I guess that's in response to the question about tracing ssp and gpios at the same time. I have read both of those and I don't see how I can do that. |
| 00:11.18 | tmzt | Kevin2: I think I can mmutrace the gpsrs |
| 00:11.50 | tmzt | Kevin2: but we are now looking for alt function changes on ssp pins, there seem to only be three and the chip has four |
| 00:13.07 | tmzt | dcordes: what are you refering too? |
| 00:13.28 | dcordes | <tmzt> dcordes_ non violatle storage, like eeprom from what I can see |
| 00:14.10 | tmzt | you can look on android git log, there was something about that |
| 00:14.32 | tmzt | I think they are using atags to pass configuration to the kernel instead of an eeprom |
| 00:15.10 | tmzt | calibration |
| 00:15.22 | dcordes | wtf is gp6 ? |
| 00:15.41 | tmzt | in wifi? gpio on that chip??? |
| 00:15.54 | dcordes | yes right mmc related |
| 00:16.01 | BruteFrce | whatsa atag? |
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| 00:16.23 | tmzt | a structure passed to the kernel by the bootloader |
| 00:16.33 | tmzt | for things like kernel command line |
| 00:16.49 | BruteFrce | hmm |
| 00:16.59 | dcordes | ./arch/arm/mach-msm/vreg.c:VREG("gp6",23), |
| 00:17.31 | tmzt | oh, the don't know |
| 00:17.33 | tmzt | then |
| 00:18.53 | dcordes | something related to the seperate gpio banks and gp6 is gpio bank 6? |
| 00:19.02 | dcordes | VREG("gp2",21), |
| 00:19.02 | dcordes | VREG("gp5",22), |
| 00:19.02 | dcordes | VREG("gp6",23), |
| 00:20.09 | tmzt | don't know what VREG is, I mean |
| 00:22.48 | dcordes | somebody does? |
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| 00:32.07 | dcordes | I fear with the old msm_sdcc code I'm using it won't work |
| 00:32.21 | dcordes | need the latest kaiser port of it from ginge |
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| 00:44.07 | dcordes | tmzt, what's vdd voltage? |
| 00:44.39 | tmzt | it's an electronics term |
| 00:44.51 | tmzt | vdd |
| 00:44.53 | tmzt | Vdd |
| 00:47.56 | tmzt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vdd#History |
| 00:48.30 | tmzt | think of it as the voltage described as an integer, at least that's what it is pcmcia controller |
| 00:48.32 | dcordes | VDDVoltage Drain Drain (semiconductors) |
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| 00:51.25 | dcordes | I better not touch that in order to not fry kaiser sd card controller |
| 00:52.46 | dcordes | oh wtf I just noticed in dmesg I have _two_ mmc |
| 00:53.21 | dcordes | maybe ti just doesn't detect it because the slot status is wrong |
| 00:53.24 | dcordes | maybe I can force that |
| 00:54.49 | dcordes | think I'm quite close |
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| 01:14.25 | dcordes | ha, sdio wifi won't work if sdcc is not yet initialized |
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| 01:21.59 | dcordes | argh |
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| 01:33.11 | dcordes | ok this is pointless with the old msm_sdcc.c |
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| 01:33.44 | dcordes | sd card dma-crashes when I attempt to load the ti module two times in a sequence |
| 01:46.16 | par | were any aaplications written to take advantage of running the asterisk pbx on the phones for convergence? |
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| 01:48.23 | par | i know asterisk is an absolute pig.. |
| 01:48.40 | par | but i've always thought of it as the converged solution for the phones. |
| 02:00.26 | SanMehat | yo par |
| 02:01.23 | par | hi san |
| 02:01.31 | par | hows your day been? |
| 02:02.02 | SanMehat | ok. been coding and running around looking for a marriage license |
| 02:02.16 | par | wow, are you in cali? |
| 02:02.23 | SanMehat | yeah |
| 02:02.24 | SanMehat | in SF |
| 02:02.39 | par | oh, ok.. so i guess its the court house then |
| 02:02.44 | SanMehat | yeah |
| 02:03.29 | par | so the big day is tomorrow? |
| 02:03.41 | SanMehat | what big day? |
| 02:03.42 | SanMehat | oh |
| 02:03.44 | SanMehat | no its next friday |
| 02:03.50 | SanMehat | you're in washington right? |
| 02:04.07 | par | nope, i'm in jersey.. just outside of philly |
| 02:04.25 | SanMehat | ahhhh |
| 02:05.46 | par | so how difficult has the whole android project been |
| 02:06.14 | SanMehat | well.. i've done a *lot* of bring-ups.... ARM... x86... x86 64... amd.. intel... |
| 02:06.28 | SanMehat | the bringup was much easier than a PC bringup thats for sure |
| 02:06.41 | par | yeah, you're mr va systems d00d ;) |
| 02:07.06 | par | wow i think thats great... |
| 02:07.06 | SanMehat | its wierd interacting with another CPU which has a separate OS on it though |
| 02:08.22 | par | yeah, so much information |
| 02:08.35 | par | i'm still trying to catch up on the pxa side |
| 02:08.42 | par | need to buy newer phone |
| 02:08.52 | SanMehat | get a G1 :) |
| 02:09.23 | par | i'll consider the dream.. i haven't really seen much about it physically |
| 02:09.57 | SanMehat | well its pretty much everywhere online |
| 02:10.01 | SanMehat | i'm sure someone has it ripped apart by now |
| 02:11.07 | par | yeah i was googling something just now and noticed there is a link on the main page and the link has some photos |
| 02:11.29 | par | looks pretty sweet |
| 02:11.59 | dcordes | hey SanMehat, par. SanMehat you know the ti wifi driver? |
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| 02:12.44 | dcordes | I have a problem with it. on my system, both msm sdcc controllers are detected, but tiwlan does not detect the wifi. |
| 02:13.34 | par | dcordes: whats the exact chipset your phone has for it |
| 02:14.14 | dcordes | par, msm7200, kaiser wifi is TNETW1251 which is same as trout. |
| 02:15.25 | par | dcordes: hmm sorry, i only have some docs for twl30xx |
| 02:15.30 | SanMehat | dcordes: yeah i did the SDIO crap |
| 02:15.40 | dcordes | SanMehat, I think the problem is in the board init code (which for trout is in board-trout-mmc.c) . can you look at my attempt to adapt it for kaiser? |
| 02:15.42 | SanMehat | dcordes: is the wifi chip powered on? |
| 02:15.48 | dcordes | SanMehat, yes, by wince. |
| 02:16.05 | dcordes | I commented out the power and reset parts |
| 02:16.30 | SanMehat | i can't look at it right now, i'm sorry.. company is coming over |
| 02:16.38 | SanMehat | i can look at it on the weekend |
| 02:16.53 | dcordes | ok shall I email it over? |
| 02:17.02 | SanMehat | sure please |
| 02:17.52 | dcordes | cool I will also attach the dmesg |
| 02:19.44 | Kevin2 | tmzt: One can add the gpio register to mmutrace. Or, one can add the gpio registers to TRACES (eg, joinlist TRACES GPIOS) and then uses mmutrace for the mmutrace for the spi. I'm pretty sure there were examples of both ways on the wiki. |
| 02:22.09 | par | san, i was back in SF actually a few months ago... hung out with some of the people from Danger |
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| 02:22.49 | dcordes | SanMehat, unless I want to poweron/powerdown/reset the wifi, I don't need to touch any gpio for it, right? |
| 02:22.57 | par | work sent me to some training in bay area so i got to visit with a lot of folks that are still in the area |
| 02:34.15 | par | they showed me a prototype of their new sidekick |
| 02:36.45 | dcordes | now I totally understand why the ti1251 got a seperate branch. I just got a patch 10mb in size with it included |
| 02:38.37 | SanMehat | dcordes: thats right |
| 02:38.55 | SanMehat | dcordes: is the card firmware already running from wince? |
| 02:39.21 | dcordes | SanMehat, if the linux driver does not unload it, I guess yes. |
| 02:39.40 | dcordes | I make sure there was real wifi traffic the second before I boot. |
| 02:39.43 | SanMehat | dcordes: then thats bad.. you will need to assert reset on the wifi for at least 100ms |
| 02:40.15 | SanMehat | our driver wants to upload firmware into the card. we cant do that when the card is already running |
| 02:40.18 | dcordes | doesn't it initialize with the firmware not running? |
| 02:40.33 | dcordes | s/not/ / |
| 02:40.38 | dcordes | ok |
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| 02:43.09 | ponicg | ? |
| 02:43.42 | ponicg | Sorry about that. Hi everyone. |
| 02:44.01 | par | also wistron neweb has come out with the G4.. |
| 02:44.10 | par | i worked there when it was called Acer Neweb |
| 02:45.06 | par | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLB6NQ2dJhA |
| 02:45.20 | par | android ready! for europe ;) |
| 02:46.03 | dcordes | SanMehat, http://rafb.net/p/Xf7DR093.html that's how it looks when I try and load |
| 02:47.31 | dcordes | # this error is known from SD card dma issue: <-that's wrong. It only loos a bit like it. didn't appear before |
| 02:48.22 | par | hehe, if you think that prototype is clunky you should have seen our prototype for bluetooth back in the 90's |
| 02:49.04 | par | it was this massive usb dongle .. hanging from the port like a big video game controller or something |
| 02:49.15 | dcordes | :) |
| 02:49.24 | SanMehat | you cannot use DMA with the tiwlan driver |
| 02:49.27 | par | first ones to implement it |
| 02:49.33 | SanMehat | at least not yet.. i'm going to work on that when i get back from my honeymoon |
| 02:49.55 | dcordes | oh I don't want to molest you with such things then, sorry ^^ |
| 02:50.07 | SanMehat | its cool. wedding is next friday |
| 02:50.35 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.42 | dcordes | doesn't -1 signify dma is off? |
| 02:50.56 | dcordes | for that controller |
| 02:53.13 | SanMehat | yes it does |
| 02:55.49 | SanMehat | djkldfjkldsjfa;sf |
| 02:57.24 | dcordes | ok so that's not a relevant problem. I think the firmware isn't either because the detection times out |
| 03:04.41 | dcordes | good night |
| 03:08.57 | par | heh, i feel sorry for wistron sometimes.. they sometimes have difficulty marketing in usa.. kind of a barrier for them.. if i still worked there and was at CES in that booth.. everyone would know that they used to be Acer NeWeb and mass produced phones out of their hsinchu facility shipping mad product to mainland china |
| 03:09.43 | par | instead, most people just said.. even though its a company i never heard of etc. (mens they paid their ad agency mad bux is all) |
| 03:09.55 | par | and they got jack |
| 03:16.56 | par | they'll get whtever distrubtor deal they land but ultimately in the end they won't have the Support that makes the product really enticing and shine. |
| 03:21.36 | par | if they get android together for it .. it'll be those jokers of of jiangsu who throw it together |
| 03:24.53 | par | the Hsieh's were good ppl but where is the personal touch nowadays |
| 03:25.23 | par | heh, enuff of me! time to test some builds |
| 03:31.09 | ponicg | Hi all - I'm new here. I'm trying to get the HTC Titan(Sprint Mogul) to work with Android. What's currently sandbagging many people is the keyboard. It seems GPIO code aren't coming out correctly - someone mentioned columns and rows, does anyone have any ideas on this yet? |
| 03:36.06 | par | and they made it an omap 1710 yuck |
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| 04:43.44 | tmzt | ponicg: somebody has a keyboard working on this channel, maybe wasup?? |
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| 04:48.04 | tmzt | Kevin2: I tried that, got a list type error or something, that's why I asked. |
| 04:55.48 | tmzt | Kevin2: ok, sorry |
| 04:59.36 | tmzt | it's alot easier to read in firefox than links2 |
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| 05:41.28 | ptl | Linux on HTC Athena... *sigh* |
| 05:42.17 | tmzt | ptl: it is just a really complex device from what I've read, video support, sd card |
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| 05:47.37 | BruteFrce | anyone alive? |
| 05:48.36 | AstainHellbring | hi |
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| 05:48.53 | SanMehat | yo |
| 05:49.56 | AstainHellbring | tmzt its not any more complex that the touch pro |
| 05:50.27 | tmzt | raphael? |
| 05:50.42 | AstainHellbring | yes |
| 05:52.32 | tmzt | there's nothing in the wiki? |
| 05:52.35 | BruteForce | tmzt can ya check window 1 lol |
| 06:14.07 | BruteForce | tmzt still alive? |
| 06:15.27 | ptl | hey BruteForce |
| 06:15.44 | ptl | tmzt: really? I thought it wasn't more complex than the other HTC devices. |
| 06:16.15 | AstainHellbring | its not ptl atleast not any more than the new ones |
| 06:16.21 | tmzt | you'll have to ask cr2_ or search the logs |
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| 07:30.50 | BruteForce | tmzt c++ has no regex? |
| 07:31.12 | BruteForce | ooops |
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| 07:39.03 | Xerres | anyone awake here? =P |
| 07:39.16 | BruteForce | ya |
| 07:39.27 | Xerres | i'm looking for someone who use to hang out here |
| 07:39.36 | Xerres | a year or 2 ago |
| 07:40.02 | Xerres | kid who used the handle Senaque |
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| 08:10.30 | cmihai | Hello. |
| 08:10.50 | tmzt | hi |
| 08:12.52 | cmihai | What's the status on booting Android G1 on the Rapahel? |
| 08:13.16 | tmzt | G1 is the phone released by htc for t-mobile, not an operating system |
| 08:14.21 | tmzt | raphael is just beginning to be supported with a way of printing early messages from the kernel to make it work |
| 08:14.37 | tmzt | to find out where it is crashing (last I read) |
| 08:15.08 | tmzt | there are logs at http://irclog.iclem.net |
| 08:15.40 | cmihai | OK, thanks. Is there some kind of repo / patches / iamges / whatever? |
| 08:17.07 | tmzt | looks like they might have some usb now, cool |
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| 08:19.10 | tmzt | druidu or NetRipper might know |
| 08:20.09 | tmzt | you can also check RaphaelLinux on xda wiki |
| 08:21.14 | cmihai | It's what got me here :-) |
| 08:21.53 | tmzt | oh |
| 08:22.03 | tmzt | so many timezones |
| 08:39.58 | cmihai | Hm.. I got a haret + linux image but it freezes at HaRET: Booting Linux... Don't even get to see the framebuffer. :-( |
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| 09:39.46 | ptl | hey. Good morning. |
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| 09:58.29 | cr2_ | dcordes: the vogue code that you have does not handle the sd2 clock at all. because vogue does not have wifi. but all the data is in wiki |
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| 12:25.42 | RedlineR | hey guys! i wrote some minutes ago on the xda-developers thread. what is the newest status? and where can i get the newest sources? |
| 12:26.13 | N3m3515 | RedlineR |
| 12:26.14 | N3m3515 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux |
| 12:26.16 | N3m3515 | lokk there |
| 12:26.19 | N3m3515 | look |
| 12:28.06 | RedlineR | cool thx |
| 12:28.54 | sir0x | i'm although interested at the newest sources ... where i can find them ? |
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| 12:33.26 | RedlineR | sir0x |
| 12:33.33 | RedlineR | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux |
| 12:33.48 | sir0x | and who is the repos ? |
| 12:34.28 | sir0x | there is just a advace on which repository the new kernel is BASED on |
| 12:51.01 | szsoftware | sir0x: Did you go further? |
| 12:52.52 | sir0x | szsoftware: further ? whereto ? |
| 12:53.49 | szsoftware | sir0x: did you get and compiled the sources (you menakernel sources, no?) |
| 12:53.58 | szsoftware | s/mena/mean/ |
| 12:54.22 | szsoftware | sir0x: or the whole android repo? |
| 12:55.32 | sir0x | i compiled the android-msm-htc-2.6.25 branch, but it doesn't boot |
| 12:55.51 | szsoftware | sir0x: which device? |
| 12:55.55 | sir0x | htc diamond |
| 12:56.22 | szsoftware | sir0x: did you try that source ootb, or did you applied patches? |
| 12:56.59 | sir0x | i didn't patch the sources , what does ootb mean ? |
| 12:57.47 | ali1234 | sir0x: ask druidu if he has made his patches available? |
| 12:57.51 | szsoftware | sir0x: out of the box, untouched. I think you have to apply patches. Is the Diamond bootable with Linux already? |
| 12:58.14 | szsoftware | sir0x: I thought, there where success in the last days.. |
| 12:58.22 | szsoftware | sir0x: yes ask druidu |
| 12:58.49 | sir0x | szsoftware : yes i know but i cant find any patches or repos whicht contains the lates sources |
| 12:58.50 | szsoftware | sir0x: How do you follow the latest developement? |
| 12:59.26 | szsoftware | sir0x: I dont think there are specific repos, since druidu and others working in their local tree |
| 13:00.10 | szsoftware | sir0x: maybe we need more organisation and git-branches on linuxtogo ;-) |
| 13:00.23 | sir0x | szsoftware : goot idea ;) |
| 13:00.58 | sir0x | szsoftware : i follow the latest development through the RaphaelLinux page, and reading this channel every day :) |
| 13:01.46 | sir0x | wouldn't it be nice if we had an own diamond/raphael kernel developing repos ? |
| 13:01.50 | szsoftware | sir0x: My little knowledge is based on reading the irc logs from iclem.net. I recommend that, so you know the people who do what, and you know the very current devel status of your device |
| 13:02.33 | szsoftware | sir0x: I would call it "git", since that the state of the art VCS :-) |
| 13:02.50 | szsoftware | sir0x: and youre more precise with your asking/suggestions |
| 13:03.04 | sir0x | szsoftware : ok richt i call it git ;) |
| 13:03.56 | szsoftware | sir0x: and I would call repo, these days only the mighty big big android repo aka ABS aka Android Build System aka whatever :-P |
| 13:04.32 | szsoftware | sir0x: I'm a pedantic term guard , haha |
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| 13:05.22 | sir0x | szsoftware: to know such guy like you isn't, so i can improve my english :) |
| 13:05.33 | szsoftware | sir0x: Where do you come from? |
| 13:05.39 | sir0x | germany |
| 13:05.46 | szsoftware | Ich auch |
| 13:05.49 | szsoftware | :-) |
| 13:05.51 | sir0x | jawoll :) |
| 13:05.58 | sir0x | is ziemlich hart mit dem englisch |
| 13:06.01 | szsoftware | but lets stay in english terms here |
| 13:06.27 | sir0x | yes it's more fair opposit the other |
| 13:06.29 | szsoftware | sir0x: use PM when you wanna cool down your head for some minutes :-) |
| 13:06.56 | szsoftware | sir0x: right, if there is useful information to share with others |
| 13:07.39 | szsoftware | sir0x: I will fund I a company, maybe your interested. |
| 13:08.16 | sir0x | but i will take your offer if my head is smoking due to thinking about right english-gramar |
| 13:08.31 | szsoftware | sir0x: Consultant Agancy or school: only one lesson over years: git for noobs :-) |
| 13:08.39 | szsoftware | sir0x: I will be my best customer |
| 13:08.48 | sir0x | szsoftware: loool |
| 13:09.07 | sir0x | szsoftware: but that's not really productiv |
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| 13:09.28 | szsoftware | sir0x: I might proof that concept ... |
| 13:11.44 | sir0x | szsoftware: interested for what ? |
| 13:12.38 | szsoftware | sir0x: what do you mean? |
| 13:13.00 | szsoftware | sir0x: btw, I just opened PM channel to you ;-) |
| 13:13.25 | RedlineR | oh leute... ich auch :-D |
| 13:13.38 | sir0x | lol |
| 13:13.56 | szsoftware | RedlineR: sir0x lets take this channel over, unfortunalty we are allnoobs, no ? :-)) |
| 13:14.44 | sir0x | szsofware: ... yes more or less :D |
| 13:14.56 | RedlineR | hehe |
| 13:14.58 | N3m3515 | lol RedlineR ich glaub hier kann kaum einer deutsch |
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| 13:15.24 | RedlineR | wir sind doch schon 4 ^^ |
| 13:15.30 | N3m3515 | ^^ |
| 13:16.55 | sir0x | i'm currently at. i'm going to drive home ... i see you later |
| 13:16.57 | sir0x | bye |
| 13:17.06 | szsoftware | hehe, join the channel #htc-linux-german or #htc-linux-german-noob |
| 13:17.52 | szsoftware | but I think that will be one-eyed within blinds (or so) |
| 13:21.22 | kiozen | BabelO_: text for pois and points, svn up |
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| 13:25.18 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok |
| 13:25.34 | kiozen | and anti aliasing, but it's slow |
| 13:36.48 | dcordes | cr2_, I don't think we base on vogue clock code. and my kaiser sdccs are both clocked. see dmesg I pasted |
| 13:41.45 | dcordes | ginge, are you around? |
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| 13:45.13 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/git-diff-android-msm-htc-2.6.25_kaiser_20082410.diff here's wifi for kaiser |
| 13:45.21 | dcordes | (well, almost) |
| 13:48.58 | dcordes | kiozen, BabelO which is the best usb gps device I can get? any prefered chipset? |
| 13:49.39 | kiozen | dcordes: my personal preference is an iBlue 747 |
| 13:54.23 | dcordes | kiozen, can it also transfer data to a computer so I can use it with gpsd? |
| 13:54.51 | kiozen | yes, it's nmea |
| 13:55.26 | kiozen | however I never tried with usb, only bt, you should look that up |
| 13:57.10 | dcordes | hm it seems to heavy, I'd rather like usb only without a battery. |
| 13:57.15 | dcordes | BabelO, can you suggest something? |
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| 13:59.12 | dcordes | kiozen, what about this one http://navilock.de/suche/61422_NL-302U.html?show=spec ? sirf3 any good? |
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| 14:01.58 | kiozen | dcordes: sirfIII is ok, but often it has static navigation switched on. always kind of tricky to switch it off |
| 14:02.13 | kiozen | you should google if it has sn on |
| 14:02.54 | kiozen | and I prefere devices with intrenal record memory, more reliable to get a track |
| 14:03.42 | dcordes | that's not so important for the purpose. need direct data transfer only |
| 14:04.25 | kiozen | ok, watch out for static navigation if you wnat to track while walking |
| 14:05.05 | dcordes | kiozen, static navigation can be switched on/off by sirfmon |
| 14:05.35 | kiozen | dcordes: if it works, do not expect too much if sirfmon |
| 14:06.06 | kiozen | with my xaiox gps it fails |
| 14:12.42 | ponicg | hey all how's it going? |
| 14:19.59 | druidu | for those asking about diamond/rapahel repos |
| 14:20.04 | druidu | where's none setup yet |
| 14:20.15 | ponicg | Is there a titan repo, druidu? |
| 14:20.27 | druidu | dunno about that either |
| 14:20.44 | ponicg | I've only seen vogue ones, and the titan is supposed ancillarily... (is ancillarily even a word) since it uses the msm7x00 chip |
| 14:21.03 | ponicg | nod. i'm going to try to trace out the GPIO for the keyboard, but it isn't looking too good just yet. |
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| 14:21.07 | druidu | anyway, changes to boot linux android kernel on diamond are just a few, if you read this channel's logs from last week you should be able to do it |
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| 14:24.08 | sir0x | but it is generally a good idea to create a repos for the diamond/raphael kernel |
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| 14:26.22 | BabelO1 | kiozen: how can i see poi / town name ? |
| 14:26.52 | kiozen | pois always and points if you are close enought |
| 14:27.16 | druidu | it is but unfortunately nobody has time for that |
| 14:30.13 | dcordes | druidu, NetRipper and you should sign for a linuxtogo account so you can maintain your code in a git.linuxtogo.org repo. |
| 14:30.16 | ezak | druidu ill try to setup a repo if you want this week end |
| 14:30.23 | ezak | oh |
| 14:30.39 | BabelO1 | kiozen: so map i send to you does not have pois or points :) |
| 14:30.45 | ezak | i can try setting up one and maintain, as im not a coder maybe i can help that way |
| 14:30.58 | ali1234 | BabelO1: did you check your copy of BT driver against the version in the public repo? |
| 14:31.03 | kiozen | don't know it's in the office |
| 14:31.03 | dcordes | ezak, best is to use linuxtogo because also vogue kaiser polaris etc and the old pxas and omap are hosted there |
| 14:31.12 | kiozen | but osm does have points |
| 14:31.13 | BabelO1 | ali1234: it is the same |
| 14:31.54 | ali1234 | BabelO1: i fully understand the ferial port stuff now. gpio 40-43 are shared with the serial port pins, so you should be setting the device control register, not setting those gpio high/low... |
| 14:32.02 | ezak | dcordes maybe i can do the initial setup i got ime for that |
| 14:32.09 | ezak | t/time |
| 14:32.10 | dcordes | ezak, you know git? |
| 14:32.31 | ezak | no but i learn quite fast |
| 14:32.50 | dcordes | ezak, you should discuss it with druidu, NetRipper, cr2_ and the other 7201A hackers |
| 14:33.07 | ezak | ok ill see tonight once back from work |
| 14:33.24 | ezak | btw ezak = kaze @ work |
| 14:33.27 | dcordes | probably also with pH5 and Kevin2. |
| 14:33.34 | dcordes | ah :D |
| 14:33.43 | ezak | heh |
| 14:34.02 | ponicg | dcordes: Are you familiar with anyone who is looking at MSM7500 based hardwarE? |
| 14:34.40 | dcordes | ponicg, dzo is the vogue (which is very close to titan) man. wasup and some other guy work with titan |
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| 14:47.26 | druidu | dcordes : that would be great, cause there is already vogue linux hosted there |
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| 14:47.34 | druidu | it would be nice to share same repo |
| 14:47.44 | ponicg | dcordes: Thanks. I'll try to get ahold of wasup and dzo then. Do those guys hang out here? |
| 14:48.51 | dcordes | ponicg, yea but you might contact dzo this way http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ |
| 14:49.27 | dcordes | ponicg, btw what is your concern? |
| 14:51.08 | ponicg | dcordes: None really. Just want to try to get a full hardware keyboard working... or atleast narrow keypresses down to a single key. |
| 14:51.36 | ponicg | I'm a C#/ASP.net/SQL developer by day, but I know C |
| 14:52.11 | dcordes | ponicg, wasup and the other guy already fixed it. don't know where they keep their code though. I suggest them to hand it to dzo so he can enable a machine type for titan with the keyboard |
| 14:52.41 | ponicg | dcordes: That's actually pretty sweet. I'm just looking forward to actually helping out with this. Winmo is such crap compared to android:-p |
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| 14:54.06 | ali1234 | dcordes: "the other guy" was zdooder i think |
| 14:55.11 | dcordes | ponicg, yep that's him. he made the titan keyboard work in the vogue tree. unfortunately I see him not often here. you might reach his mate wasup easier. |
| 14:55.45 | ponicg | Hmm - any idea if that code is in Dzo's latest release? I didn't see anything in his git repo regarding it |
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| 14:55.53 | ponicg | and i know for a fact that as of yesterday, mykeyboard was being wonkey |
| 14:57.49 | ponicg | essentially, i'd just like to help further this project along, since i think it's one of the most beneficial i'll see in a while in regards to my phone |
| 15:06.20 | dcordes | ponicg, you might look it up yourself in the dzo git branch. see the massey website I linked to above. |
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| 15:13.11 | ponicg | dcordes: nod. thanks for all your help:) |
| 15:13.20 | dcordes | you're welcome |
| 15:16.44 | dcordes | szsoftware, dzo updated his touchscreen driver. you could try and make it work on your polaris |
| 15:17.11 | dcordes | ponicg, http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-vogue don't see anything titan specific there recently. |
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| 15:19.08 | ponicg | yeah dcordes i don't see it either |
| 15:19.32 | dcordes | ponicg, so you gotta try contact zdooder or wasup |
| 15:20.04 | ponicg | dcordes: nod. best way would be through here, you think, to get ahold of thme? |
| 15:21.13 | dcordes | no clue wasup shows up every now and then |
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| 15:23.36 | dcordes | ponicg, wasupwithuman in forum.xda-developers.com is wasup |
| 15:27.56 | dcordes | I'll be back later |
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| 17:16.58 | RedlineR | hey guys! kernel already baked? ;-) |
| 17:24.21 | cr2_ | druidu: it's fun why the msm_fb is so fast. |
| 17:25.01 | cr2_ | druidu: rapahel is a crazy device with 256+64MB ram. |
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| 17:26.41 | druidu | really? |
| 17:26.45 | druidu | that much? |
| 17:26.54 | druidu | you sure about that, I though it had 192 |
| 17:26.57 | druidu | what does wince say? |
| 17:27.38 | druidu | RAM: 192, Flash: 256 |
| 17:28.13 | cr2_ | 192 is 128+64 on diamond |
| 17:28.34 | cr2_ | rapahel has 128MB more sdram in the second 0x20000000 bank |
| 17:29.33 | cr2_ | the g1 kernel puts the fbram, cam at +32M sram |
| 17:29.48 | cr2_ | it#s some anto |
| 17:30.02 | cr2_ | anti-ms conspiracy :) |
| 17:30.32 | cr2_ | dcodes: check the arch/arm/mach-msm/clock-7x00.c file |
| 17:31.01 | cr2_ | dcordes: only one sd clock is supported there. |
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| 17:42.51 | druidu | cr2_: so wince doesn't see all 256+64? |
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| 17:44.51 | cr2_ | druidu: at tleast the framebuffer is in SDRAM |
| 17:46.23 | druidu | how can we fix the fb vsync problem? |
| 17:46.29 | druidu | maybe it uses another gpio for vsync |
| 17:47.00 | cr2_ | no |
| 17:47.17 | cr2_ | 97 is visible with haret too |
| 17:47.23 | cr2_ | on raphael |
| 17:47.32 | cr2_ | what is fb sync problem ? |
| 17:49.30 | druidu | well, there are a lot of errors look at the screenshots |
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| 17:49.31 | druidu | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux |
| 17:49.31 | cr2_ | there is a lot of buggy code ;) |
| 17:49.31 | cr2_ | with wrong gpios |
| 17:49.31 | druidu | problem is, I don't get freeing init memory |
| 17:49.33 | druidu | it hangs exactly after hctosys.c |
| 17:49.45 | cr2_ | why does the rtc fail ? |
| 17:50.08 | cr2_ | hmm. it's probably proc_comm dependent too |
| 17:50.22 | cr2_ | at least in the current setup. |
| 17:51.24 | druidu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.28 | druidu | fails |
| 17:53.33 | druidu | not sure where the rtc device is initialized |
| 17:54.09 | cr2_ | there should be some rtc-msm driver |
| 17:54.18 | cr2_ | it it needs the proc_comm |
| 17:54.39 | druidu | drivers/rtc/rtc-msm7x00a.c |
| 17:55.19 | druidu | uses msm_rpc_connect |
| 17:55.31 | cr2_ | ok |
| 17:56.51 | Jones | what's the chances of Linux on a Palm Treo 700wx? |
| 17:57.32 | cr2_ | Jones: which cpu it has ? |
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| 17:57.50 | Jones | um, i'm unsure. let me research it real quick |
| 18:00.02 | Jones | nothing on google - is there a menu item somewhere on my phone? |
| 18:00.18 | cr2_ | yu may run haret |
| 18:00.23 | druidu | try pdadb.net |
| 18:00.52 | Jones | pxa272-312Mhz |
| 18:01.21 | cr2_ | the cpu is ok. |
| 18:01.41 | cr2_ | you also need to know what other hardware is there |
| 18:01.56 | Jones | http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=7116 <-- what I found |
| 18:02.00 | cr2_ | i can't believe that nobody tried to run linux |
| 18:02.02 | cr2_ | on it |
| 18:04.53 | druidu | cr2_ : amss.mbn should have all the low-level stuff we need? (lcd, proc_comm, etc) ? |
| 18:05.28 | cr2_ | how do you get the amss.mbn ? |
| 18:06.33 | druidu | qmat |
| 18:07.00 | cr2_ | amss is an elf file |
| 18:07.24 | cr2_ | then there are qcsbl, oemsbl and appsbl |
| 18:07.24 | druidu | also got mibib.mbn oemsbl.mbn partition1.mbn partition3.mbn qcsbl.mbn |
| 18:07.31 | cr2_ | and mibib |
| 18:07.35 | druidu | zes |
| 18:07.37 | druidu | yes |
| 18:07.45 | druidu | so which are useful for making proc_comm and other stuff work? |
| 18:07.55 | cr2_ | qcsbl is some hardcore qualcomm stuff |
| 18:08.06 | druidu | we have that |
| 18:08.28 | druidu | hopefully working (arch/arm/mach-msm/qdsp5/) |
| 18:08.31 | cr2_ | oemsbl is the initial hardware init + some internal debugger |
| 18:08.45 | druidu | initial hardware init? anything useful? |
| 18:08.54 | druidu | it inits lcd right? |
| 18:08.55 | cr2_ | very interesting code, but i didn't decode it properly |
| 18:09.20 | cr2_ | can you you pm me your oemsbl ? |
| 18:09.40 | druidu | argh... bitchx wait |
| 18:09.41 | cr2_ | no, it's mainly about the clocks & such things |
| 18:09.56 | cr2_ | well, i can try qmat in wine |
| 18:10.08 | druidu | wait |
| 18:10.37 | druidu | cool :) |
| 18:10.54 | cr2_ | the appsbl is the older SPL, aka wince "bootloader" |
| 18:11.12 | druidu | @ what address should I load it? |
| 18:11.18 | druidu | 0 or 0x10000000 ? |
| 18:11.18 | cr2_ | it has all the lcd init code, witness the RapahelLCD wiki page |
| 18:11.27 | cr2_ | 0x10000000 |
| 18:11.31 | druidu | ROM |
| 18:11.31 | druidu | ok |
| 18:11.32 | cr2_ | soryy |
| 18:11.33 | cr2_ | 0x0 |
| 18:11.39 | druidu | ok :) |
| 18:11.46 | cr2_ | the oemsbl is loaded at 0x0 |
| 18:11.55 | cr2_ | and you can just 'pd' it from there |
| 18:12.07 | cr2_ | but it may be damaged a bit |
| 18:12.12 | druidu | entry point is at 0x0 ? |
| 18:12.16 | druidu | 'cause it's junk |
| 18:12.29 | cr2_ | should be b 0x1000 |
| 18:12.49 | cr2_ | skip the first page |
| 18:14.07 | cr2_ | btw, do you know the purpose of the first 8bytes of oemsbl ? |
| 18:14.38 | druidu | checksum? |
| 18:15.01 | druidu | version, flags, signature, could be anything... |
| 18:15.14 | druidu | code @ 0x1000 looks kind of junk... SVCNV 0xB6F7FF |
| 18:15.17 | druidu | what's that for? |
| 18:15.28 | cr2_ | where ? |
| 18:15.49 | druidu | @ 0x1000 |
| 18:16.00 | cr2_ | hmm. |
| 18:16.34 | druidu | could be junk, qmat didn't really recognize the image |
| 18:16.41 | druidu | although it did spit out those files |
| 18:17.55 | cr2_ | you talk about the appsbl ? |
| 18:18.06 | ponicg | hrm people are workign on rafael too huh? |
| 18:18.08 | druidu | no, about the rom in general |
| 18:18.18 | druidu | diamond/raphael |
| 18:18.38 | ponicg | nod. i'll be getting one once they're released for sprint :) |
| 18:19.00 | cr2_ | the appsbl should be a "usual" wince CECE image. you can convert it to nk.exe with dumprom |
| 18:19.08 | cr2_ | works even on the 32bit linux. |
| 18:19.13 | druidu | damn, gotta go |
| 18:19.15 | druidu | be back later |
| 18:19.20 | cr2_ | because it's not compressed |
| 18:19.21 | cr2_ | ok |
| 18:20.23 | cr2_ | ponicg: yeah, a much better g1. unfortunately htc didn't put magnetometer there ;-) |
| 18:25.21 | ponicg | haha. the raphael is the g1^2? |
| 18:25.22 | ponicg | lol |
| 18:25.26 | ponicg | (g1)^2 , rather |
| 18:25.37 | ponicg | the screen images on the wiki look sweet |
| 18:30.47 | Jones | [02:02:32 PM] <cr2_> i can't believe that nobody tried to run linux <-- I would, except... well... it's my daily phone ;) |
| 18:31.23 | Jones | Not to mention, I'm unsure if it'd ruin my phone unless I figured out how I could take an image of the windows install |
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| 18:37.42 | cr2_ | ponicg: it has 2xlcd,fm/rds and tvout. |
| 18:38.29 | ponicg | 2x lcd? |
| 18:38.36 | ponicg | where is the 2nd? |
| 18:38.53 | ponicg | i know it's VGA(640x480) and tvout is sweet. does the cdma version too have FM? |
| 18:40.15 | BruteFrce | what device is this? |
| 18:40.50 | cr2_ | ponicg: g1 lcd is half-vga |
| 18:41.06 | cr2_ | don't know about cdma |
| 18:41.57 | ponicg | oh - i thought we were talkinga bout hte raphael |
| 18:42.21 | ponicg | which you said was a much better g1 |
| 18:42.24 | cr2_ | so the diamond/rapahel lcd is 2xg1 |
| 18:43.32 | ponicg | sigh odn't mind me |
| 18:43.44 | ponicg | i thought you meant 2 LCDs not 2x hte res:) sorry |
| 18:55.55 | par | yeah, its the tvout that is the big winner, 10 years from now someone in a developing nation could still use it as a limited computer |
| 18:58.31 | cr2_ | par: you will dream of it. on a g2 with 2048bit rsa key boot, drm and hdmi ;) |
| 18:58.45 | BruteFrce | is it okay to clone linwizards source tree throw in our patches and start our own sourceforge project? i mean its opensource righ? |
| 18:59.29 | cr2_ | BruteFrce: as if omap-linux was not splitted enough already |
| 19:00.20 | BruteFrce | well no one wants to maintain anything for the excalibur, dont see another option, we need our own source tree |
| 19:01.29 | BruteFrce | I have assembled 2 or 3 devs that have an excalibur that all want to contribute |
| 19:01.56 | fnord | one of the resons i bought the tilt/kaiser is that i was told it had tv out |
| 19:02.07 | fnord | i have since booted the liar in his testicular region. |
| 19:03.03 | BruteFrce | maybe we should call it yaok |
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| 19:03.15 | BruteFrce | yet another omap kernel |
| 19:06.44 | fnord | is this being used by anyone here? |
| 19:06.45 | fnord | http://code.google.com/p/android-kaiser/ |
| 19:07.30 | par | cr2_: heh, the psp's AES boot was broken.. all it takes is an exploit ;) |
| 19:08.34 | cr2_ | hehe |
| 19:08.58 | cr2_ | fnord: the kaiser kernel is at linuxtogo |
| 19:09.08 | cr2_ | fnord: i have no idea what is android-kaiser |
| 19:09.55 | fnord | cool, was just wondering |
| 19:10.19 | fnord | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ |
| 19:10.20 | fnord | there? |
| 19:12.59 | BruteFrce | par is there x support on any slim psp kernel now? |
| 19:21.12 | par | BruteFrce: sorry, i don't know the answer to that |
| 19:37.11 | tmzt | going back to cvs/svn would be really bad from a compatibility with upstream viewpoint |
| 19:37.31 | tmzt | which uses git, which was made by linux kernel developers specifically for linux kernel |
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| 19:40.27 | ponicg | haha raphael goes on sale today in us... or monday. |
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| 19:41.39 | wasup | hello... |
| 19:42.23 | wasup | I was wondering with the keyboard working on the titan now... how difficult is it to get the screen to rotate the right way when the keyboard is open? |
| 19:42.24 | tmzt | wasup: hey, people are wondering about source for titan keyboard |
| 19:43.47 | ponicg | hey wasup |
| 19:43.55 | wasup | you need the source? |
| 19:44.01 | tmzt | ponicg: for at&t? |
| 19:44.04 | ponicg | I'm one of those people wondering about the titan keyboard. Do you want to setup a git repo, etc |
| 19:44.12 | ponicg | tmzt: No, Sprint. |
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| 19:44.33 | tmzt | oh, cdma, right |
| 19:44.52 | wasup | dcordes or dzo i talked to about it...and they said no need to set up a git repo |
| 19:45.28 | tmzt | is it similar to kaiser keyboard, and vogue is to polaris? |
| 19:46.04 | tmzt | and would it be possible to have CONFIG_TITAN_KEYBOARD and put the differences in platform_data |
| 19:46.04 | jamescmar | I'm working on cloning the git tree from linwizard now. |
| 19:46.17 | tmzt | jamescmar: you are also working on excalibur? |
| 19:46.24 | jamescmar | Yeah. Just started. |
| 19:46.42 | tmzt | jamescmar: have you looked at htc-omap on linuxtogo? |
| 19:46.48 | jamescmar | Not yet. |
| 19:46.51 | tmzt | jamescmar: and how close it is to linwizard |
| 19:47.28 | jamescmar | Checking it out now. |
| 19:47.45 | ponicg | why did they say that wasup |
| 19:49.08 | wasup | we just need a different .config for it |
| 19:49.24 | ponicg | nod. makes sense. what do you have working currently? all hhe keys? |
| 19:51.01 | wasup | it's working thanks to zdooder |
| 19:51.06 | wasup | fully working. |
| 19:51.27 | ponicg | wow. can you link me to these files? |
| 19:51.42 | ponicg | zdooder and you are both geniuses:) do we have a mailing list setup? |
| 19:51.54 | ponicg | and does it fix the touch screen flakiness? or is that just my phone |
| 19:52.05 | wasup | no touchscreen is another issue |
| 19:52.15 | wasup | my phone is the same.. |
| 19:53.27 | wasup | let me get you the link |
| 19:55.20 | wasup | http://wormhole.akropolys.com/htclinux/ |
| 19:55.31 | wasup | the latest was with side buttons... |
| 19:55.47 | wasup | the power button on the side doesn't work |
| 19:55.54 | ponicg | hmm so how do you wake the phone up then? |
| 19:56.01 | wasup | you use the pickup call button to turn the screen on |
| 19:56.08 | wasup | and end button to turn it off |
| 19:56.17 | wasup | it will still answer calls as well |
| 19:56.49 | ponicg | wow |
| 19:56.52 | ponicg | that's nice |
| 19:56.55 | ponicg | haha iw as right |
| 19:57.01 | ponicg | it's column and row based gpio huh |
| 19:57.06 | wasup | tmzt: source is available at (http://wormhole.akropolys.com/htclinux/) i dont know if zdooder updated it...but i'm pretty sure he might have |
| 19:57.36 | wasup | yeah... zdooder took his dear sweet time typing in the ones he thought it could be |
| 19:57.42 | wasup | he did a great job though |
| 19:57.46 | ponicg | which image was it, wasup? |
| 19:57.51 | ponicg | the most recent? |
| 19:57.54 | wasup | side buttons |
| 19:57.56 | ponicg | nod. |
| 19:58.06 | ponicg | i just replace my image on my phone w/that one? |
| 19:58.13 | wasup | mhmm |
| 19:58.27 | wasup | and youll be able to text |
| 19:58.29 | wasup | :) |
| 19:58.41 | ponicg | hmm |
| 19:58.46 | ponicg | i should probably get dzo's latest |
| 19:58.49 | ponicg | so i can have app support |
| 19:58.58 | wasup | idk... i havent tried the latestest |
| 19:59.02 | ponicg | have you guys thought about mapping a button to change |
| 19:59.04 | ponicg | shrug. i'll try it |
| 19:59.15 | ponicg | i'd like to start mantaining some more info about the titan's android version |
| 19:59.17 | wasup | button to change what? |
| 19:59.20 | ponicg | sorry |
| 19:59.26 | ponicg | mapping a button to change screen alignment |
| 19:59.29 | ponicg | rotation, i mean |
| 19:59.33 | ponicg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.07 | wasup | oh idk... im not the coder... I just got the gpio readings for the keyboard... zdooder ali1234 and ginge code. |
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| 20:02.40 | ponicg | i'll play with it |
| 20:02.42 | ponicg | now that this is here |
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| 20:08.31 | tmzt | wasup: oh, I didn't know there was an image release for titan either |
| 20:08.50 | wasup | oh yeah...thats what ive been using...:) |
| 20:09.03 | ponicg | yeah we need to get that out |
| 20:09.13 | ponicg | if wasup is ok w/it i'll front that on xda-dev and host the stuff if we want |
| 20:10.15 | wasup | i dont think zdooder will mind... just make sure to give him credit for it |
| 20:10.52 | tmzt | wasup: zImage-sidebuttons, what is the mtype? |
| 20:12.24 | wasup | let me check what im using |
| 20:12.39 | wasup | 1667 |
| 20:13.02 | tmzt | wasup: the only source I see is the oct 2 modified kaiser keypad |
| 20:13.38 | wasup | and i think that one is a working keyboard...just without the side buttons... |
| 20:13.53 | wasup | so if your titan goes to sleep...bye bye |
| 20:13.55 | wasup | hahaha |
| 20:14.13 | tmzt | don't have one yet |
| 20:14.33 | wasup | well if you had one... and you use that source... |
| 20:14.49 | tmzt | if dma is not hopeless will probably get one |
| 20:15.11 | tmzt | oh, the source doesn't have sidebuttons/power, but zImage-sidebuttons does? |
| 20:15.39 | tmzt | that makes sense, I thought you were saying that was a problem with the image! |
| 20:16.19 | wasup | no the souce doesnt have sidebuttons i dont think |
| 20:16.23 | ali1234 | ~seen ali1234 |
| 20:16.28 | apt | ali1234 is currently on #htc-linux (2h 18m 45s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: '~seen ali1234'. |
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| 20:16.52 | wasup | lmao.... bye ali1234 |
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| 20:17.39 | wasup | ali1234: do you know how we can get the screen to rotate the opposite way? |
| 20:17.49 | ali1234 | yes |
| 20:18.09 | ali1234 | rotate it 3x as much |
| 20:18.56 | ponicg | lol |
| 20:18.56 | ponicg | yeah |
| 20:19.08 | wasup | what about have it so when the keyboard is open we can insert text without having to press the onscreen keyboard? |
| 20:19.18 | ali1234 | dont know about that |
| 20:19.24 | ponicg | hmm, we still need hte onscreen keyboard out to use it, wasup? |
| 20:20.05 | wasup | yeah...:( |
| 20:20.24 | wasup | atleast for texting... it wont let you insert text without the onscreen keyboard open |
| 20:21.39 | ponicg | what about for web? |
| 20:21.40 | ponicg | email |
| 20:21.41 | ponicg | etc |
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| 20:23.14 | ponicg | i'm dying to try it but can't until iget home and get my phone. i left it home chraging |
| 20:23.55 | BruteFrce | there was some sort of breakthrough I take it? |
| 20:26.09 | ponicg | apparently we have a working hardware keyboard for the titan |
| 20:30.15 | BruteFrce | sweet |
| 20:31.03 | ponicg | very. |
| 20:31.05 | ponicg | you have one? |
| 20:33.14 | tmzt | they said raph is out today/monday on sprint, too |
| 20:33.39 | ponicg | yeah. monday it releases to stores, then 11/2 to most channels |
| 20:33.54 | BruteFrce | no i have an excalibur |
| 20:34.12 | BruteFrce | what releases to stores? |
| 20:37.11 | tmzt | raphael, msm6500a with keyboard |
| 20:37.16 | tmzt | Touch Pro |
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| 20:45.15 | BruteFrce | hey tmzt |
| 20:46.13 | BruteFrce | penguinz patched our kernel with the android patches and might be able to get the userspace working soon |
| 20:46.20 | BruteFrce | so im excited lol |
| 20:56.21 | BruteFrce | tmzt? |
| 20:57.37 | ponicg | wow BruteFrce - userspace is coming soon? |
| 20:58.10 | tmzt | hey, if you get a armv5 android userspace, that would be helpful |
| 21:00.31 | BruteFrce | ponicg well he is working on it now, he isnt using yaffs though just ext2 but he says he is getting closer, so im keeping my fingers crossed |
| 21:01.51 | BruteFrce | seems we need double buffering for fb, not sure if the kernel we are using supports it |
| 21:04.46 | wasup | WAIT WAIT WAIT....RALPH? |
| 21:04.51 | wasup | is on sprint? |
| 21:07.10 | ponicg | rofl wasup |
| 21:07.11 | ponicg | yeah |
| 21:07.18 | ponicg | comes out monday in "select retailers" |
| 21:07.29 | wasup | whats the actual model number |
| 21:07.32 | wasup | for the ralph |
| 21:07.47 | wasup | raph |
| 21:07.47 | BruteFrce | ii thought ralph has been out? |
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| 21:08.54 | wasup | the raphael is the touch pro right? |
| 21:09.06 | ponicg | yeah |
| 21:11.27 | ulaas | i own a diamond. |
| 21:11.34 | ulaas | can i do smthng to help? |
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| 21:18.14 | BruteForce | He just got video output, he saw the android man! |
| 21:20.13 | BruteForce | but it froze lol |
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| 21:34.00 | BruteForce | ulaas what do you need? |
| 21:34.27 | BruteForce | wtf, i cant vote because I have a felony? |
| 21:34.31 | BruteForce | thats retarded |
| 21:35.18 | ulaas | BruteForce: i just wanted to learn if there is smthng to do to help. for starters i have a diamond. |
| 21:37.33 | ali1234 | anybody know something about irda? if i just start spamming the serial port it is attached to, the led should be flashing? |
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| 21:52.41 | BruteForce | im so mad right now |
| 21:53.20 | BruteForce | why even call it a right if it can be taken away |
| 21:54.16 | BruteForce | sorry guess thats off topc |
| 21:54.19 | BruteForce | topic |
| 22:02.46 | tmzt | ulaas: diamond is being worked on, logs are at irclog.iclem.net |
| 22:04.18 | ulaas | tmzt: release of the G1 promises success right? |
| 22:04.52 | wasup | does any one in here have a g1? |
| 22:04.57 | tmzt | release of g1 specific stuff has helped them, I think |
| 22:05.12 | tmzt | but msm support was released by google last fall |
| 22:05.19 | tmzt | and updated this whole year |
| 22:13.38 | tmzt | wasup: no, but a lot of people in #android, do. apparently it's only an android device if it shipped with android |
| 22:13.47 | tmzt | and android is not linux, it's java. |
| 22:13.57 | tmzt | and posix does not exist |
| 22:14.19 | tmzt | and things like firewalls and proxy servers have to be ported to android |
| 22:14.43 | tmzt | so people can access the internet |
| 22:15.06 | wasup | huh? |
| 22:15.21 | wasup | android isnt linux at all? |
| 22:15.27 | tmzt | oh, sorry |
| 22:15.38 | tmzt | it is, just not to some people in #android |
| 22:15.50 | par | ;) |
| 22:16.37 | par | g1 doesn't have a tvout capability does it? |
| 22:18.08 | wasup | oh.. |
| 22:18.12 | wasup | i was like wtf??? |
| 22:18.14 | wasup | hahahaha |
| 22:18.38 | wasup | tvout? idk... but im sure they'll set up some sort of network streaming for it |
| 22:18.51 | wasup | since it has wifi built in... probably just a matter of time |
| 22:18.58 | BruteForce | lmao |
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| 22:19.45 | BruteForce | h is saying the peopl in #android lve in there own world cause androids kernel doesnt use xserver it uses some java gui |
| 22:20.26 | par | well the raphael has a tvout cable you can connect to the usb |
| 22:20.37 | par | just wondered if the dream does |
| 22:21.02 | wasup | bruteforce: oh |
| 22:21.03 | wasup | hahaha |
| 22:21.20 | wasup | par: hmm...thats wierd... i wonder if it works on any other devices |
| 22:22.37 | BruteForce | i wonder if its the same gui sunos uses? |
| 22:24.27 | par | HTC G1 does not have any TV-Out at all, so the N95 wins this one |
| 22:24.36 | par | guess that answers my question |
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| 22:31.09 | BruteForce | hyc doesnt have g1 tmobile does, its a dream |
| 22:31.12 | BruteForce | htc |
| 22:35.47 | tmzt | htc makes g1, the call it Dream, google calls (it's board) trout |
| 22:36.01 | tmzt | t-mobile sells it as g1 |
| 22:36.23 | wasup | g1 = dream = trout |
| 22:36.51 | wasup | g1 > iphone |
| 22:40.55 | BruteForce | i know this lol |
| 22:41.27 | BruteForce | but you should either say htc dream or tmobile g1 |
| 22:42.14 | BruteForce | just like we refer to every other phone by its htc name only always have |
| 22:45.47 | tmzt | oh, yeah you're right |
| 22:45.57 | tmzt | know anything about ts0707 |
| 22:46.21 | BruteForce | nope |
| 22:46.23 | BruteForce | lol |
| 22:47.23 | par | i can't help it if news people use the wrogn names |
| 22:50.23 | BruteForce | wtf does ediafire keep saying i dont have cookies enabled in opera mini |
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| 22:57.56 | BruteForce | lol well i use windows mobile... |
| 22:58.04 | BruteForce | bleeding edge at that |
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| 23:04.34 | par | cr2 |
| 23:04.42 | par | was this updated in the code ? |
| 23:04.53 | par | i guess i should dig around and look |
| 23:04.55 | par | [05:04] <cr2> hmm. the code is if (== 0x6) else in blueangel_lcd.c |
| 23:04.55 | par | [05:05] <cr2> here: |
| 23:04.55 | par | [05:05] <cr2> if (blueangel_boardid == 0x5) |
| 23:04.55 | par | [05:05] <cr2> blueangel_fb_info. |
| 23:04.55 | par | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.56 | par | [05:06] <cr2> otherwise it is for 0x6. |
| 23:04.58 | par | [05:06] <cr2> change if (blueangel_boardid == 0x5) |
| 23:05.00 | par | [05:06] <cr2> to if (blueangel_boardid == 0x5 || blueangel_boardid == 0x4) |
| 23:05.26 | BruteForce | usw pastebin dude |
| 23:05.30 | BruteForce | usw |
| 23:05.50 | BruteForce | im suprised e have no floding script watching for that |
| 23:07.04 | par | it irrelevant anyway i'll find out as soon as i put this angstrom build together |
| 23:08.20 | par | i'm downloading a slow as molasses knoppix livecd so i can set up a new sd card on my external usb cardreader |
| 23:08.40 | tmzt | par: linux rip |
| 23:09.46 | BruteForce | wm7 alpha leaked |
| 23:12.04 | cr2_ | par: why don't you link to hh.org CVS viewer ? |
| 23:12.25 | cr2_ | BruteForce: who cares ? |
| 23:14.19 | cr2_ | BruteForce: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20081023_005500.html |
| 23:20.45 | tmzt | what kernel is it? |
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| 23:24.35 | BruteForce | lol cr2 show me a working alternative for my device.... |
| 23:24.44 | BruteForce | pwnt |
| 23:25.06 | tmzt | we were just talking about fso, and getting it working on other devices |
| 23:25.11 | tmzt | frameworkd |
| 23:25.35 | BruteForce | i was refering to his rude respose to me talking about wm earlier |
| 23:26.10 | tmzt | ali1234 also said that the other core in omap850 is really similar to the modem firmware used on other devices |
| 23:26.19 | tmzt | ali1234 I think that's what he said |
| 23:26.27 | cr2_ | BruteForce: i have man phones, but no omap850-based |
| 23:26.54 | tmzt | cr2_: do any of the pxa/msm6xxx use ts0707? |
| 23:26.59 | BruteForce | okay so mbe you should apologize for being an ignorant jerk than? |
| 23:27.49 | cr2_ | tmzt: somebody should sit down, and finish the phone driver. as simple as it is. |
| 23:28.00 | tmzt | how far back do the logs go, and how far back into blueangel irc logs does cr2 appear? |
| 23:28.08 | cr2_ | tmzt: the a780 mux ? |
| 23:28.17 | BruteForce | ya that i agree with bbl |
| 23:28.34 | tmzt | yeah, we found that motoq is really close to ezx |
| 23:28.37 | tmzt | even bootloader |
| 23:28.45 | tmzt | but I mean htc devices |
| 23:29.07 | tmzt | is a780 msm? |
| 23:29.14 | tmzt | modem |
| 23:29.18 | cr2_ | tmzt: i wasn't here from the very beginning, and the first logs are fun. |
| 23:29.33 | tmzt | oh, I haven't read back that far |
| 23:29.59 | tmzt | I guess the point is somebody made the channel and set the topic, and whatever |
| 23:30.29 | cr2_ | tmzt: no, motorola a780 is a pxa phone with moto radio part. which impleements 0707 |
| 23:30.53 | cr2_ | tmzt: the htc linux story is quite simple |
| 23:31.08 | cr2_ | the first phone was wallaby |
| 23:31.18 | cr2_ | then came himalaya |
| 23:31.33 | cr2_ | the xda-dev people created xanadux.org |
| 23:31.57 | cr2_ | but gave up too fast, get distracted and so on |
| 23:32.43 | ali1234 | fun fact: moto a810 is omap730 :) |
| 23:32.50 | *** join/#htc-linux BabelO (n=fcr@unaffiliated/babelo) |
| 23:32.57 | cr2_ | lkcl hacked linux on hima, but the phone was not working, there was no SD, and no sound. |
| 23:32.59 | tmzt | ali1234: the whole thing? |
| 23:33.13 | ali1234 | yes |
| 23:33.16 | cr2_ | so he gave up too |
| 23:34.01 | cr2_ | i bought blueangel in 2004 when it just came out, and started doing research. |
| 23:34.03 | BabelO | ola cr2_ |
| 23:34.15 | tmzt | (story time) |
| 23:34.35 | cr2_ | that produced a lot of interest in porting linux on xda-dev |
| 23:34.45 | cr2_ | hi BabelO |
| 23:35.01 | cr2_ | BabelO: it's 1:30, and nobody sleeps. so i tell the story :) |
| 23:35.23 | BabelO | cr2_: i see :) |
| 23:35.52 | cr2_ | a nice guy 'cp15' made linux on ba mostly work. a clever hacker like dzo :) |
| 23:36.05 | BabelO | cr2_: i see also that raphael / diamon are on a good way too |
| 23:36.15 | cr2_ | this was at the beginning of this channel. |
| 23:37.08 | cr2_ | then he gave up fast, because not that many people did development. |
| 23:38.04 | cr2_ | BabelO: yes, buy one :) you'll finish it really fast. we are simply missing some discipline and maintenance will |
| 23:39.13 | cr2_ | tmzt: so i'm guilty of pushing this weird htc-linux stuff not to die, and move further ;-) |
| 23:39.31 | BabelO | cr2_: yes it is more fun to buy a phone without linux. but cpu is strange to me |
| 23:39.51 | cr2_ | BabelO: better than omap850 anyway |
| 23:40.36 | cr2_ | and 256+64MB ram ;) with working 54mbit wifi. |
| 23:40.43 | BabelO | cr2_: omap850 is cool :) basic thing are working |
| 23:40.55 | BabelO | cr2_: so wifi drivre is ok ? |
| 23:41.08 | cr2_ | yeah, but how much effort do you need to finish it ? |
| 23:41.32 | cr2_ | BabelO: not yet. the clock api+bits need to be corrected. |
| 23:41.44 | BabelO | cr2_: i think google g1 wifi driver should work |
| 23:42.09 | cr2_ | BabelO: you are missing some tech details. |
| 23:42.38 | BabelO | cr2_: then GSM code is done but not working for me, need to understand the asm and compare it .... but i lost .S file with my latest test with virtualbox and raw partitioning |
| 23:42.56 | cr2_ | hehe. |
| 23:43.16 | BabelO | cr2_: suspend / resume is close to works .... but i have this silly error on resume :( |
| 23:43.47 | tmzt | GSM code? |
| 23:44.03 | ali1234 | BabelO: what is the problem with GSM code? |
| 23:44.05 | cr2_ | tmzt: the communication with GSM |
| 23:44.21 | ali1234 | BabelO: do you boot using eol? |
| 23:44.48 | BabelO | ali1234: yes both are working for me without any hack |
| 23:44.56 | *** join/#htc-linux dah1979 (n=pocketir@net-93-148-251-28.t2.dsl.vodafone.it) |
| 23:45.19 | tmzt | oh, smd? didn't know why that would be asm |
| 23:46.06 | ali1234 | BabelO: well... to make GSM work after booting with eol you *must* load the firmware bins... and the typhoon driver does not load a large enough bin to work |
| 23:46.06 | cr2_ | tmzt: you need to send some bizarre stuff over spi, and so other strange things |
| 23:46.28 | cr2_ | tmzt: omap850 gsm is as lowlevel as you can think. |
| 23:46.41 | BabelO | ali1234: i do all most of my try from wince .. |
| 23:47.05 | tmzt | oh, I thought you were talking about diam/raph there |
| 23:47.06 | cr2_ | tmzt: the linux driver is even loading GSM DSP firmware, and sets up the page tables et al. |
| 23:47.11 | BabelO | cr2_: ah, and i forget the most interesting part :) battery monitoring |
| 23:47.24 | tmzt | since it boots arm9 first, that made no sense |
| 23:47.40 | cr2_ | tmzt: it's arm9+arm7 on omap850 |
| 23:48.30 | cr2_ | BabelO: have you found out how it operates ? |
| 23:48.38 | tmzt | ok, I mean talking about .S for GSM on raph made no sense bacause msm boots arm9 first, |
| 23:49.21 | tmzt | do you know what would be needed to get gsm on excalibur, what tracing in haret? |
| 23:49.23 | cr2_ | tmzt: i think diam/raph will be the first phone where you can really reflash linux soon. |
| 23:49.25 | BabelO | cr2_: seem to be like you say spi stuff... but spi seem to be over page area |
| 23:49.41 | tmzt | really, it could boot unsigned code on arm11? |
| 23:49.47 | cr2_ | BabelO: which spi ? |
| 23:49.52 | cr2_ | tmzt: where ? |
| 23:50.28 | tmzt | I mean, you know how to replace appsbl? it's not signed? |
| 23:50.49 | cr2_ | appsbl is not important |
| 23:51.10 | BabelO | cr2_: not the ts stuff, the other one |
| 23:51.24 | cr2_ | we don't replace the bootloader on hima/ba too. while we can. |
| 23:51.25 | BabelO | cr2_: it is used for sound control too |
| 23:51.44 | cr2_ | BabelO: how many spi channels does omap850 have ? |
| 23:51.53 | tmzt | what did you mean by "really reflash linux"? |
| 23:51.55 | cr2_ | ali1234: which phone do you have ? |
| 23:52.03 | ali1234 | cr2_: wizard |
| 23:52.14 | cr2_ | tmzt: yes, really remove everything wince-related |
| 23:52.52 | tmzt | by the way, we might have one/two devs for excalibur. still trying to work out what linwizard is going to do with it |
| 23:53.02 | cr2_ | tmzt: and you can hack on the gsm code. because somebody uploaded the calypso datasheet to cryptome |
| 23:53.17 | BabelO | cr2_: i see 3 channels |
| 23:53.28 | BabelO | cr2_: one is used for ts |
| 23:53.32 | cr2_ | BabelO: the "undocumented" 3 channels |
| 23:53.38 | BabelO | cr2_: yes |
| 23:53.48 | cr2_ | ts,syren,unused |
| 23:53.59 | BabelO | cr2_: i do the driver for omap100k, it is ok |
| 23:54.06 | BabelO | syren is the same |
| 23:54.13 | BabelO | + a page are byte |
| 23:54.19 | cr2_ | tmzt: imho, the first thing to do on excalibur is to document the gpios. does it have a cpld ? |
| 23:54.20 | tmzt | calypso is what omap chip? |
| 23:54.22 | BabelO | s/are/area/ |
| 23:54.49 | tmzt | cr2_: so far we have booted modified wizard board on it |
| 23:54.53 | cr2_ | tmzt: also some omap1 variation, like omap850 |
| 23:55.30 | tmzt | someone said n95 has video out, is that possible with dsp devoted to radio? |
| 23:55.32 | cr2_ | tmzt: even garmin used some omap chip. |
| 23:55.57 | cr2_ | tmzt: it depends on the clock speed. |
| 23:56.03 | cr2_ | ==bandwidth. |
| 23:56.28 | tmzt | oh, there is some crypted zip on symb2and.blogspot.com now |
| 23:56.37 | tmzt | maybe symbian bootloader/haret |
| 23:57.04 | cr2_ | haret ? |
| 23:57.17 | tmzt | not real haret, same idea though, I would guess |
| 23:57.23 | cr2_ | ok |
| 23:57.24 | tmzt | the bootlinux part |
| 23:57.31 | cr2_ | there was one for palm too |
| 23:57.39 | cr2_ | garux |
| 23:57.48 | tmzt | yeah |
| 23:57.50 | *** join/#htc-linux OpnSrc1 (i=harisha1@gateway/tor/x-9778e05f93856119) |
| 23:58.12 | tmzt | I was really impressed with the original uclinux .c, but I only had one palm with serial connection |
| 23:58.16 | cr2_ | tmzt: when i see how different is artemis from wiazrd, i guess excalibur needs its own docs. |
| 23:58.22 | tmzt | so I only got as far as a shell prompt |
| 23:58.28 | BruteForce | well he has the userspace giving video output now but just the lil anroid man blinkinging indefenitly |
| 23:58.41 | BruteForce | blinking |
| 23:59.05 | tmzt | original uclinux .prc |
| 23:59.10 | cr2_ | tmzt: heh. these days a phone has 320MB ram ;) |
| 23:59.15 | BruteForce | cat telnet in case the telntd won tart even befre init |
| 23:59.29 | BruteForce | cant |