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00:37.03ALoGeNohey i thinkg something about why the wifi is going down in the universal..
00:37.16ALoGeNomaybe lmsensors
00:37.51ALoGeNobecose that say that is hot or something..
00:37.56ALoGeNoand isnt
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00:52.11Kevin2NetRipper: Still on?
00:53.07Kevin2The command -- "SET CP(15, 0, 15, 2, 4) 0xa920000b  -- was based on a physical address of 0xa9200000 and a flag of 'b' to indicate a one meg mapping.  Or, at least, that was the intent.
00:56.14druidunope
00:56.20druiduhe went to sleep
00:59.45dcordesALoGeNo: don't have uni, sorry. don't fry your uni by setting txpower too high or anything.
01:00.21ALoGeNoyeah i was try in any way, and nothing same crap of overheat :)
01:00.37ALoGeNonp thanks
01:00.39ALoGeNo:)
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01:26.29tmztKevin2: how can I trace spi ssp on pxa27x?
01:27.11tmztKevin2: spi on the ssp1 pins
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01:42.28Kevin2tmzt: Add all the virtual addresses to mmutrace list and then run "wirq".
01:43.02tmztthat will trace what ce is sending to the emu chip as well as what it gets back?
01:43.22tmztemu chip is usb and power chip
01:45.09Kevin2I'm not sure what device you have.  But, yes, if you mmutrace the spi registers you should see all the activity going back and forth.
01:45.20Kevin2There is always the chance that dma is being used, but that's relatively rare.
01:45.42Kevin2Hrmm.  If usb is on the spi bus, it may not be that rare.
01:46.14tmztno, this is usb  transceiver and routing for usb signals, audio and uart to the usb port in different modes
01:46.53tmztWyrM on openezx said I might have external transceiver and we found a register that said I do
01:47.38tmztwe found it is probably a freescale mc13883
01:47.49tmztwhich uses i2c or spi for control
01:47.56Kevin2Hrmm.  I'd try tracing the registers and see what you get.  I traced the spi on my apache and was able to code up the touchscreen and battery interface from the results.
01:48.03tmztthere is probably also a CS on that chip
01:48.21tmzthave you tried running 2.6.25+ on apache?
01:49.36Kevin2No - I haven't worked on anything with the phone in several months.
01:51.31tmztI am trying to get the pxas working with ltg kernel.git master
01:52.23tmztbut there dosn't seem to be a standard way to implement udc
01:52.51tmztso I either need to get a otg_transceiver working which might work for the externel transceiver anyway
01:53.02tmztbut I don't think apache/magician/universal need that
01:53.23tmztjust a gpio/irq handler to set the udc control register on vbus?
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01:58.29Kevin2I'm not really sure what a transceiver is.  On apache, i had to enable 2 gpios I think.
02:00.33tmztmy understanding is there is a transceiver (phy) built into the pxa soc which is used on the htc devices,  as the extra signals (audio/uart?) are on extusb
02:01.58Kevin2I don't know.  for apache, usb and uart used the pxa.  Audio used i2s and i2c.
02:02.54tmztso once I have the wirq output (from haretconsole?) how do I get the traffic?
02:08.24Kevin2Is should show all the reads/writes to the data register.  So, the traffic is in the haretconsole output..
02:08.43tmztok, I can't do that right now but I will when connected over bt pan
02:11.05tmzt< WyrM> this can be a little hard to do, as motorola doesn't use SSPFRM    pin with the alt function.
02:11.10tmztwhat does this mean?
02:11.19tmztthat is the ssp clock?
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06:28.35NetRipperKevin2, ok thanks, i thought it worked differently after looking at the datasheet... thought i had to LSL the base address 12 bits and then orr the size at the first 5 bits... http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0211j/Cachfiih.html (figure 3.61)
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06:48.10kiozenBabelO: ola, didn't know you have such big hills around you :)
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06:49.03BabelOola kiozen ;), yes, very nice screenshot
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06:49.48BabelOkiozen: and that is with bad strm data, hsould be better with your
06:50.36kiozenBabelO: yes amazing, in tthe 2D shading the data looks bad, but with 3D it's fine
06:51.24BabelOkiozen: and i want to see the other result on my big IGN maps
06:52.36kiozenBabelO: I have to ask andrew if opengl can help to draw garmin maps, too
06:53.02kiozenBabelO: I read the spec of 1.2 and it wasn't too promissing on polygons
06:53.11kiozenbut maybe 2.0 is better
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11:16.08cr2kiozen: it seems there is no way around fixing the mdocg3 and mdocg4 readonly driver.
11:17.05cr2NetRipper: i think that reverting the 7500 specific parts to 7200A in the vogue tree is the best way to a bootable kernel
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12:15.23marajinyo ginge_
12:15.40ginge_yoyo whats going down
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12:29.56marajinginge_: Not much not much.
12:42.27cr2interesting documentation here http://gsmonline.pl/download/instructions/11161_en.pdf
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13:21.46BabelO_kiozen: i hope we got a patch soon :)
13:24.51kaze_worki hope kaiser nand/sd troubles are fixed soon :)
13:48.07cr2BabelO_: haha. that's why you want to remove flash immediately http://www.imasuper.com/66/technology/flash-cookies-the-silent-privacy-killer/
13:49.28BabelO_cr2: oh oh
13:49.56BabelO_cr2: our company software works with flex, we can't show you what we do with it :)
13:50.51BabelO_cr2: look at your email :)
13:51.58cr2lol
13:53.43cr2BabelO_: wow. does it use opengl ?
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13:54.15BabelO_cr2: yes :) and STRM
13:56.09cr2ok
13:57.04cr2hm. it seems that i need to run linux on my vax. then no more binary-only junk for me :)
13:58.09cr2but i doubt they have flash for alpha too. 500mhz ev6 is good for x11.
14:04.24cr2BabelO_:
14:04.27cr2Just add this to your crontab:
14:04.27cr2<PROTECTED>
14:05.10BabelO_cr2: i switch to opensuse 11 64bit now... hope all works well
14:05.13BabelO_bbl , meeting
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15:48.32cr2kiozen: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2008-October/026011.html
15:50.00kiozencr2:  they are really cute :)
15:50.57cr2:)
15:51.30kiozencr2: looking forward to this §D patch :)
15:51.41kiozens/§/3/
15:52.07cr2yes, it's interesting
15:52.32kiozenbtw I started to port the Garmin stuff to gt
15:54.15cr2to have 1 unified desktop program ?
15:54.40kiozenyes
15:54.45cr2ok
15:55.03cr2i've seen a patched updater.exe for the basemap
15:55.08cr2but lost the link
15:55.41kiozenthis "top secret data" is plainly visible in the top10 map
15:56.45cr2but it may be outdated
15:58.00kiozencr2: sure they build new poles on a yearly base :)
15:59.19kiozenmost classified data in companies is quite a joke
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16:02.05cr2i think so. but you may have a lot of problems here
16:07.34BabelO_cr2 , kiozen sorry i don't understand german and google give me a strange translate. Electrics company is afraid about his electrical network seen on OSM ?
16:07.47kiozenBabelO_: yes
16:08.59kiozenBabelO_: the have classified the pole positions
16:09.22kiozenBabelO_: and thought they have an information leak, when comparing to OSM data
16:10.18kiozenBabelO_: however that data can be taken form topo maps, too
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17:42.52BabelOola kiozen, how can i get cursor position on map ?
17:43.10kiozenBabelO: copy to clipboard?
17:43.37kiozenBabelO: right mouse button
17:43.46BabelOkiozen: i want the pixel color under the cursor position
17:44.13kiozenBabelO: not implemented yet
17:44.23BabelOhmm
17:44.47kiozenBabelO: you have to intercept the mouseMoveEvent
17:44.59BabelOkiozen: ok
17:45.15kiozenBabelO: get the position, get the buffer, read the pixel
17:53.10BabelOkiozen: ok i ll look, btw i just discover qtoctave as a frontend
17:54.09kiozenyes :) I have used MatLab and octave a lot, but since several years I use C and my own plotlib for such things
17:54.29BabelOok :)
17:54.53BabelOkiozen: newer 64bit install , newer problem ...
17:55.12kiozenreally? never had any
17:57.13BabelOkiozen: why there is qt4-lib32 in yast ?
17:57.48kiozenBabelO: good question, I always ask myself, too
17:58.40kiozenbtw never forget to do "./configure --libdir=/usr/lib64" if you compile things
17:58.45BabelOkiozen: but i need to build a new arm toolchain, or is there a way to run in compatibility mode ?
17:59.33kiozenBabelO: I did that with oe and used the compiler
17:59.39kiozenfor qtopia
18:00.05BabelOkiozen: ok :( have to spent 3 days do try to compile OE again then, and chinook never works :(
18:00.31kiozenBabelO: yes it took me 2 weeks to solve all problems
18:01.12BabelOkiozen: then better for me to try to compile M for wince then cr2 can play with it too
18:01.23kiozenlol
18:01.53BabelOok cr2 abd wince is not really compatible :)
18:02.05BabelOcr2: you want M for wince ?
18:03.20kiozenBabelO: I know a lot of people that would like to have M on wince
18:03.42BabelOkiozen: ok but i think i ve to remove lot of think
18:03.56BabelOs/of think/of things/
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18:04.32kiozenBabelO: sure, start with wince first, the rest is easy
18:05.07BabelOkiozen: i already compile gdal , need to compile proj4 with msvc :(
18:05.27kiozenaren't there any *cab
18:06.03kiozenBabelO: IMHO there is not much sense for compiling stuff for wince as it's 100% binary compatible
18:08.22BabelOkiozen: ok then i use only headers
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18:09.35BabelOkiozen: do you set something specific for 64bit toolchain with OE ?
18:11.02kiozenBabelO: nothing in my notes
18:11.22BabelOok
18:11.38BabelOi need to recompile qt-extented for Blueangel and artemis too
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18:41.04druiduis anybody here working on linux/android on diamond?
18:41.55kazenetripper is working on raphael i think
18:42.06kazequite similar
18:42.08druiduI know that, cr2 too :)
18:42.12kazeoh
18:42.18kaze:)
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18:42.58druiduI'm trying to find some "thingy" that's easily controllable from asm (like a led or something), but diamond doesn't have anything simple
18:43.00kazei have a diamond too but approximately 0 coding skill but if you want me to run some test
18:43.28kazemm
18:43.34druiduhehe, I have one myself, just got it 2-3 days ago and I've been playing with it 24/7
18:43.39kazethe built in tweeter?
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18:43.47druiduraphael has a flashlight, diamond doesn't
18:44.06druiduyes, tried to make the buzzer work but it's not that simple...
18:44.06kazecant you use beeps ?
18:44.09kazeoh
18:44.23druiduoh well, back to the drawing board
18:44.23druidu:)
18:45.25cr2BabelO: i'd like to have M for wince. we need a solid ozi competitor :)
18:45.32kazeusb signals?
18:45.43kazeno need drivers
18:45.48kaze:\
18:46.08kazemmm
18:46.12kazepad light
18:46.20kazethe dial pad has a light
18:47.26BabelOcr2: i 'm working on it, my office build computer is free for two days
18:48.28kazeis my idea of workin with the pad light so stupid?
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18:49.55BabelOcr2: why cc1 is not available on opensuse 64 ?
18:49.56kiozencr2: BabelO has a software architect now, so he can do real important work :)
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18:52.03BabelOkiozen: do youhave cc1 ? what package it is ?
18:52.14BabelOkiozen: OE complain about missing cc1
18:52.23kiozenhm...
18:52.55kiozenno cc1 around here
18:53.23kiozenBabelO: at what stage oe is complaining
18:53.27BabelOkiozen: that's strange
18:53.54kiozenBabelO: only cc
18:54.16BabelOyes me too
18:54.20druidukaze: that actually seems to be very complex, it has like 3 touch sensors there
18:56.03kiozenBabelO: these are my notes http://pastebin.no/56729
18:56.33druiducr2: I can't find any gpios that could be used to give feedback, do you think most of the stuff is moved to proc_comm? and if so, isn
18:57.10druiduisn't there an easyer way to access them? tried some proc_comm code (the vogue one) and no luck
18:57.28BabelOkiozen: thanks, that is what i do, i recheck
18:58.03druiduI just managed to find the gpio to shut down the MDDI driver for good (only taking out the battery would fix it) and some that make the display slowly fade to black, but I doubt they'll work when the display is already off
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19:11.42druiduok, another question... any tips for extracting roms using RapahelKitchen? I'm having trouble extracting Diamond Roms
19:16.20cr2druidu: what gpios ?
19:18.08BabelOkiozen: it fail on shasum-native
19:19.25kiozenBabelO: what does it say?
19:19.32FRITZHey <druidu> i just ask something about this in xda-dev channel, iam to
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19:20.16FRITZ<druidu> the rom by itself i can extract well, but xip, just work extractin using xipport from beepe, other ways iam receiving overlap messages
19:20.27BabelOkiozen: can you send me your local.conf ?, i restart from the sample file
19:20.30FRITZ<druidu> what happening with your extract rom?
19:21.24kiozenBabelO: sent
19:22.10BabelOkiozen: thanks
19:24.00kiozenBabelO: nothing compared to this Garmin img format, I always want to puke if I have to deal with it
19:24.32kiozenBabelO: never have seen good ideas go so wrong, like in this case
19:25.09cr2kiozen: create your own :)
19:25.39kiozencr2: yes I am always tempted, but it's of no use withjout a device
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19:25.56BabelOkiozen: and they never use power of their own format ?
19:25.59kiozencr2: after all the basic ideas are good, it's just the mess they made out of it
19:26.09cr2hehe.
19:26.26kiozenBabelO: It looks like they fired the smart guy and put the morron in place
19:26.42dcordesevening. still no g1 kernel source in sight?
19:26.50cr2kiozen: i think that resume on n560 is realistic. the battery monitoring will require a lot of testing.
19:26.59cr2dcordes: 22oct+
19:27.19kiozencr2: well that sounds promissing
19:27.27cr2dcordes: i'm suprrised that nobody dumped the rom.
19:27.37dcordescr2, I hope acx will work well on kaiser. do you think it will include a routine to figure out acx base?
19:27.52dcordescr2, in the forum several people asked for help on how to dump them.
19:28.16kiozencr2: battery is something for the user without any real use on a device you hardly can change the battery
19:28.23cr2dcordes: i dont know how to dump too. it depends on the security measures .
19:28.29kiozencr2: but resume would be of great help to save power
19:29.00cr2kiozen: but it's important to know (or to estimate) the remaining charge.
19:29.01dcordescr2, did you try to evaluate them together with device owners?
19:29.19cr2dcordes: if i had the device...
19:29.50cr2dcordes: it's easier to wait one more week.
19:30.09dcordestrue
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19:30.26cr2kiozen: ok, resume is just a tricky code analysis.
19:30.37kiozencr2: right, charging is a different child, but if you know the battery lasts for 5h you can live with that
19:30.53kiozencr2: however the normal user wants to see the battery status
19:31.00cr2kiozen: but i need the raw spl dump, because the ram dump produces some very weird place in  the disassebly inside the resume path.
19:31.48kiozencr2: I can play with pdocread and friends on the weekend again, no windows around here currently
19:32.39cr2kiozen: can you point me to the partition list once again ?
19:33.09kiozencr2: http://pastebin.no/52811
19:33.58druiducr2: I need something simple to give visual feedback like a 1/0 output, as the video driver's not working yet
19:34.16druiducan't make the vibra to work, and I guess that's the easiest right?
19:34.25cr2kiozen: looks strange anyway.
19:34.31druidushouldn't the backlight be controlled by a simple gpio pin?
19:34.47kiozencr2: yes, that was my 1st thought, too
19:35.23cr2druidu: no. on rapahel there is flashlight, on diamond it will be very difficult to debug anything.
19:35.50cr2druidu: you can only hope for the working raphael :)
19:36.29druiduso all the leds on the lower touchpad, the lcd backlight, vibra... they're all proc_comm controlled?
19:36.53druiducan I do proc comm spying in haret?
19:38.50cr2druidu: then all need i2c
19:39.20druiduhmm, what's the relating between i2c and proc_comm?
19:39.29druidu*relation
19:40.06cr2druidu: proc_comm is for the communication with arm9 (pmic chip on the SSBI bus) if you will find the SSBI control registers, then you may do something.
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19:40.29cr2druidu: i2c is completely independent.
19:41.09BabelOkiozen: it still fail on shasum ... grrrhhh
19:41.19druidulet's take vibra, of all other peripherials diamond has this I think should be the easiest to make it work, right?
19:41.49druiduthis would be controlled via proc_comm probably (as it's done in raphael and vogue?
19:41.52kiozenBabelO: hm, what's the error output?
19:42.02BabelOkiozen: log are empty :(
19:42.26kiozenBabelO: w00t?
19:42.54cr2druidu: you can't use it for debugging.
19:43.21druiduproc_comm? because the initialisation would be tricky and hard to get right blindly?
19:45.42BabelOkiozen: i ll try to ask at OE
19:45.54kiozenok
19:47.34cr2druidu: because it's too difficult
19:48.18cr2druidu: if it will be really critical, then you can use drive i2c bus in assembler ;)
19:49.16druiduI'm willing to try anything, just not sure where to grasp it :P
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19:50.43BabelOkiozen: http://pastebin.ca/1228134
19:50.48cr2druidu: i think that the most realistic way is to revert the 7200 patches in the vogue tree to fix the i2c,usb, and gpio differences.
19:51.21druiduok, and about the rom extractor... I tried raphaelkitchen on diamond roms, but it doesn't really look like it's working
19:51.38druiduafter extracting the .nb files, it can't find the root fs entry or something
19:51.41druidualso tried the wine version
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19:53.46kiozenBabelO: try pastebin.no, pastebin.ca does not like my ip
19:53.59BabelOkiozen: ipv6 ?
19:54.20kiozenBabelO: no, think they block certain domains
19:54.45BabelOkiozen: http://pastebin.no/56775
19:56.26kiozenBabelO: and log.do_compile.20593 is empty right?
19:56.35BabelOkiozen: yes
19:56.38kiozenBabelO: did you disable parallel make?
19:56.56BabelOkiozen: no, next try
19:58.37goxboxlive_BabelO: i am trying to configure Qtopia-4.4. But it says missing SQLITE and SVG . But i i have installed both libsqlite-dev and svg. What else could be missing
19:59.24goxboxlive_So QT-Extended is building itself from source. It works though but i should have it installed
19:59.28goxboxlive_i think
19:59.43goxboxlive_for working with other qt stuff
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20:00.20BabelOgoxboxlive_: it fail for me too because of toolchain :(
20:00.42goxboxlive_BabelO: ok then
20:00.48BabelOgoxboxlive_: and i can't build toolchain i think i go to OE webserver and to mkfs /dev/hdd
20:00.58goxboxlive_i c
20:01.04BabelOgoxboxlive_: qt-devel
20:01.31BabelOgoxboxlive_: else you can force qtopia-4.4 to build its one qt libraries instead of use the system libraries
20:02.38goxboxlive_ok, what kind of glib file do i neet to install? I remember it will fail compiling if i dont have it installed
20:02.49BabelOkiozen: answer from oe channel is..."but that's the first step to build shasum"
20:03.02BabelOkiozen: my office hotline can do the same :(
20:03.10kiozenLOL
20:03.19BabelOkiozen: yes
20:03.40goxboxlive_And another thing, now that i have to use qbuild instead of 'make' how do i run parallell processes?
20:03.43kiozenBabelO: did you tell them on oe?
20:03.57dcordescr2, do you think google acx driver will have a routine to find out the base?
20:03.58BabelOgoxboxlive_: same than make qbuild -j4
20:04.14dcordescr2, or ease finding it out in any way?
20:04.19BabelOkiozen: no, i have to sleep before asking again :)
20:04.42goxboxlive_ok
20:05.13kiozenBabelO: yes, my brain is nibbling an escape hatch, too. that garmin stuff is tought
20:08.07BabelOkiozen: the package compile fine if i start run.compile script ...
20:11.27druiduwell, sleep for me, later
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20:16.33dcordeshi
20:21.44NetRipperdruidu, as you have some IDA disassembling experience, could it be an idea you check the drivers from a diamond or raphael rom to see how wince uses the framebuffer? search for any hints on how to manually trigger the screen to update?
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20:34.18goxboxlive_hmmwebkit takes ages
20:35.25NetRippercompiling?
20:35.29goxboxlive_yes
20:35.40NetRipperimagine how long it took to write it ;)
20:35.49goxboxlive_poor people
20:35.55NetRipperyes
20:36.08NetRipperthough i doubt it made them poor
20:36.15goxboxlive_:-)
20:37.26BabelOgoxboxlive_: take long time ? on new computer ? :)
20:39.48goxboxlive_It's ca. 30 mins since i started the configur now
20:40.04cr2NetRipper: c++ is slow to compile.
20:40.19cr2too complex language :)
20:40.29BabelOgoxboxlive_: 30 mins the configure step ? you build qt in it ?
20:41.29kiozencr2: well it has everything you need :) guess c will take same time to  compile if you would do it right
20:41.47goxboxlive_BabelO: no since i started the configure, now its compiling
20:42.58goxboxlive_hmm it compiled qtopianamespace without a hack
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20:44.47siroxhi
20:46.40siroxcan i write a application in assembler, whitch operates with the gpios of the htc diamond, boot it with haret and he will do this ? or is it harder to do ?
20:48.42cr2sirox: it's already done. to some extent. on raphael
20:49.47dcordessirox, NetRipper did that on raphael with the flash light gpio
20:50.20siroxdcordes: yes i know but i didn't find the code
20:50.20goxboxlive_hmm it failed
20:50.40NetRippersirox, i just added code to the linux kernel
20:51.28goxboxlive_BabelO: www.pastebin.no/55817
20:52.43cr2NetRipper: can you checkout the vogue source ?
20:52.59NetRipperyes when i have a little bit more time
20:53.04NetRipperprobably tomorrow
20:53.12siroxnetRipper: ah ok, and is it possible to do this without the kernel ? with an "standalone" assambler-code ?
20:53.49BabelOgoxboxlive_: what is that ???
20:54.16NetRippersirox, not sure, but i'd think so... haret simply jumps to the memory address of the kernel... so if you make your own code and set the binary in haret as kernel, it'll probably jump to it
20:54.48NetRippersirox, note that the MMU will be off, you will need to remap the gpios you want to use using the peripheral remap register
20:54.55NetRipperbefore you can use gpios
20:55.17siroxmap them to a memory-adress ?
20:55.45NetRipperwhen you map them they will become available under their physical addresses
20:56.10siroxah ok thx, i do some tests :)
20:56.24NetRipperif you are after the flashlight gpio you can make it available when MMU is off using a haret command: SET CP(15, 0, 15, 2, 4) 0xa920000b
20:56.57NetRipperand i can give you the asm to enable the flashlight gpio
20:57.37siroxoh that would be great :D
20:57.43NetRippersec
20:57.53NetRipperit doesn't have the remapping code though, as i dont konw the asm for that yet ;)
20:58.31siroxhehe , ok but as you said, that can be done with haret
20:58.40NetRipperyes
20:59.41NetRippersirox, http://pastebin.com/m7e6fb68a
21:01.06siroxthx, can i post a link to this side on the xda-developers forum thread , or du you post it ? Honor to whom honor is due. ;)
21:03.16NetRippersure, i'll put it on wiki later
21:03.49NetRipperthe link is only valid for 1 month though
21:05.33siroxhmm i don't know
21:05.50NetRipperi do, i checked the box where it says only 1 month valid
21:05.51NetRipper:P
21:05.58NetRipper(it's the default)
21:08.29siroxcan you change this to forever ? :)
21:09.10siroxit wont hurry ;)
21:09.23siroxi mean it wont hurt ;)
21:09.36NetRipperhttp://pastebin.com/f2524c277
21:09.38NetRippershould be forever
21:11.11siroxoptimal
21:16.46cr2NetRipper: the vogue kernel implements debugging into the framebuffer in uncompress.h, but it has a lot of 240x320 hardcoded values.
21:17.14NetRipperah
21:17.21NetRipperbut on vogue it works
21:17.31NetRipperor
21:17.32NetRipperhm
21:17.52NetRippercould it be the only reason framebuffer doesn't get updated on haret is because irqs are disabled?
21:18.02NetRippernah probably not
21:20.52cr2vogue code forces an mddi update.
21:21.38cr2but it's very convoluted code, this exact 240x320 panel parameters may be hidden in more places than one thinks about.
21:22.10NetRipperbad bad programmers
21:22.26NetRipper(probably how i'd do it too though, shamelessly)
21:22.27NetRipper:P
21:27.08NetRippercr2, can bad clocks damage the device?
21:29.07cr2you have bad blocks ?
21:29.15cr2cloocks :)
21:29.18NetRipperno idea
21:29.25NetRipperif i'd boot with vogue, clocks would be wrong
21:29.48NetRipper(note that i dont even know what clocks are used for)
21:29.54cr2in theory - yes
21:30.20cr2bu you will probably see if something goes wrong, and press reset.
21:30.30NetRipperclocks make me think about processor mhz and stuff, but i dont see how each device has a clock
21:30.42NetRipperand why they have to be configured instead of being static
21:32.29siroxi don't know if it's working to use the binary as kernel , the lcd-backlight is allready on while booting :) , i'll see tomorrow
21:32.35siroxgood night
21:32.43NetRippersirox, lcd isn't turned off by haret
21:33.18siroxyes, an this is because i do not know if the compiled code turn the lcd on
21:33.36cr2lcd backlight is controlled over i2c
21:33.37NetRipperin your test you shoudl turn the lcd off
21:33.47cr2i think.
21:34.00cr2sirox: 'setlcd' command
21:34.02NetRipperi saw gpio's for lcd power
21:39.17siroxnow i cant get it work , maybe it is already to late now :D
21:39.41siroxi mean, no i cant get it work
21:39.51NetRippersirox, you have a diamond or raph?
21:39.56siroxdiamond
21:39.59NetRipperah ok
21:40.51siroxi must go to bed now, im so tired :)
21:41.06NetRippersirox, good night
21:41.23siroxthx for your hel netripper
21:41.25siroxbye
21:41.30NetRipperhell?
21:41.30NetRipper;)
21:41.38siroxhelp
21:41.41NetRipper:P
21:42.08siroxas i said ... it's already toooooo late :)
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21:47.05NetRippercr2, do you have an idea on how to use the gps device in the raph?
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21:47.31NetRippercr2, i may want to try making my own gps driver
21:47.47NetRipper(wince driver)
21:47.49cr2NetRipper: i think you need to switch it on with an AT+ command, and then read the data from GPS SMD channel
21:48.07NetRipperit's available as serial device?
21:48.17cr2as SMD device.
21:48.36cr2afaik it works on kaiser in linux
21:48.41NetRipperok
21:48.46cr2yes, in wince it's a multiport serial driver
21:48.53cr2smd_com.dll
21:49.11NetRipperthat is a low level driver, or htc driver?
21:49.20cr2htc driver
21:49.23NetRipperok
21:49.53NetRippergetting annoyed by my poor gps performance, mainly gps lag
21:50.06NetRipperand im starting to think the driver is to blame
21:50.21cr2i don't think so
21:50.42cr2you don't have an external antenna.
21:51.04cr2the rest data processing schema looks sensible to me.
21:51.13dcordesNetRipper, on the kaiser, you only need to read from the smd7 device
21:51.18dcordesno at command required
21:51.34dcordesoh wait. that is when you have it on in wince.
21:51.43cr2dcordes: because wince has sent this command on phone init.
21:52.17dcordescr2, is there no gps send chan?
21:52.43cr2dcordes: i think no. what are you going to send there ?
21:53.16dcordesgps on/off, agps data
21:53.28ginge_dcordes: agps uses a different sms area
21:53.36NetRippercr2, i'm concerned about all kind of buffers no being flushed properly, it seems there's a consistent delay in data getting from the device into the navigational software
21:53.36dcordesor is the agps arm9 internal?
21:53.41ginge_gps on off uses proc_comm type interface
21:53.47dcordesaah ok
21:54.05dcordesdo you know the proc_comm bits for gps?
21:54.16cr2NetRipper: you can redirect the port to com4. works for me
21:54.31cr2ginge_: which proc_comm code is used ?
21:54.43NetRippercr2, direct communication to com4 still goes through the htc driver
21:54.55ginge_dcordes: no, not bothered to verify that. Someone told me that was the case.
21:54.58cr2ginge_: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelDEX
21:55.19dcordesginge_, ha, hope not me.
21:55.22ginge_dcordes: and no reason not to believe them
21:55.57cr2NetRipper: i think the overhead is minimal
21:56.46cr2NetRipper: not having a good gps antenna is really bad. we've learned it with n560.
21:57.15cr2so i would not expect excellent msm gps performance anyway.
21:57.23NetRipperhm
21:57.44ginge_dcordes: msm gps is really poor. Even with agps working
21:58.01ginge_sorry dcordes didnt mean to direct that at you
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21:58.20cr2agps is spyware+hiding the ephemeris problems.
21:58.36ginge_heh, well put
21:58.41cr2;)
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21:59.19dcordesI have a gps program on the kaiser which takes ages to get a fix. I think no agps is used there
21:59.26dcordeslike 10 minutes
22:00.06cr2i#ve seen 10 sats and no fix
22:00.31cr2because picking the ephemeris over 50bps takes time.
22:01.03cr2that's the spyware part.
22:01.30cr2pick the ephemeris from our server in taiwan.
22:01.38ginge_I stopped using the gps when it said I was driving down a motorway and it said I was in the adjacent village
22:01.46cr2of from some strange server in the UK
22:02.00cr2we've seen these addresses hardcoded in the firmware.
22:02.12cr2lol
22:02.15ginge_I have a dump of the agps rom somewhere. its hard coded
22:02.23cr2ginge_: i use gps mainly for OSM
22:02.52dcordescr2, the 10.x.x.x server?
22:03.08cr2dcordes: no, it was earlier
22:03.32cr2all this 'quickgps' scam is much older than you think.
22:07.46ginge_still uses a severly hacked pretec CF device on a serial connection.
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