| 00:00.47 | dcordes | s/buy/but/ |
| 00:00.54 | szsoftware | dcordes: the pdocread output is in german, can it be done in english? |
| 00:01.08 | dcordes | I also wondered that. I don't know. locale=C :) |
| 00:04.07 | szsoftware | dcordes: pdocread -w 0x500000 0x1000000 50MB.raw |
| 00:04.07 | szsoftware | CopyTFFSToFile(0x500000, 0x1000000, 50MB.raw) |
| 00:04.07 | szsoftware | ERROR: ITReadDisk : read 00000000 bytes - Die Adresse des Speichersteuerblocks i |
| 00:04.07 | szsoftware | st unzulõssig. |
| 00:04.33 | dcordes | I just get a cold File not found |
| 00:05.26 | szsoftware | dcordes: pdocread -w 0 0x100000 1MB.raw |
| 00:05.27 | szsoftware | CopyTFFSToFile(0x0, 0x100000, 1MB.raw) |
| 00:05.27 | szsoftware | ERROR: ITReadDisk : read 00000000 bytes - Falscher Parameter. |
| 00:07.48 | wasup | dcordes: umm... http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanMemoryMap will that work? |
| 00:08.33 | wasup | the actual gpios for the vogue i can't find |
| 00:08.36 | dcordes | wasup: no I mean something like http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_GPIO just for the titan |
| 00:10.11 | dcordes | szsoftware: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserNAND http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=PolarisNAND ^^ |
| 00:11.19 | zdooder | Weird, I can't log into that wiki |
| 00:14.57 | wasup | no titan doesnt have one like thar..:( |
| 00:15.22 | wasup | s/thar/that |
| 00:17.14 | szsoftware | dcordes: I have ~1 MB more accessible, haha |
| 00:17.24 | dcordes | :'-( |
| 00:17.39 | wasup | dcordes: hahahaha....http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Titan_GPIO it actually does...but it's completely blank...except for the 75  0x4b    7    ?FnLED |
| 00:18.32 | dcordes | :) |
| 00:19.05 | wasup | how does someone go about mapping that? |
| 00:19.28 | dcordes | with haret and haretconsole |
| 00:19.49 | wasup | well we have quite a bit of haretconsole data |
| 00:20.00 | wasup | http://pastebin.com/m6d2a4712 |
| 00:20.16 | wasup | pretty much every key press on the keyboard |
| 00:20.53 | dcordes | nice. did ginge/barry base the diff on that? |
| 00:21.12 | wasup | supposedly |
| 00:21.29 | wasup | he had it close to working |
| 00:21.48 | wasup | but the new diff that the vogue came out caused it to break |
| 00:21.58 | wasup | or something like that |
| 00:23.52 | dcordes | so ginge gave you two patches, one works and the other (newer) one doesn't? |
| 00:24.09 | wasup | i dont have the older one |
| 00:24.14 | wasup | well wait i do |
| 00:24.18 | wasup | yeah he gave me both |
| 00:24.33 | wasup | the new one actually does boot into angstrom |
| 00:24.39 | wasup | and display gpios data |
| 00:24.47 | wasup | rows and columns |
| 00:24.49 | zdooder | I don't think either patch totally worked, though |
| 00:25.43 | dcordes | didn't you mention something about haret not displaying all the gpio data required? |
| 00:26.34 | dcordes | damn it's too late here. I need some sleep |
| 00:26.39 | szsoftware | dcordes: did you get this too: ERROR: ITReadDisk : read 00000000 bytes - Die Adresse des Speichersteuerblocks ist unzulõssig. |
| 00:26.53 | dcordes | szsoftware: no, it never told me that |
| 00:27.34 | dcordes | I'm going to sleep |
| 00:27.37 | dcordes | cya |
| 00:27.45 | szsoftware | dcordes: i tried to copy between first known offset and last one |
| 00:27.59 | szsoftware | dcordes: sleep well! |
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| 00:35.56 | cr2 | 500 - Internal Server Error |
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| 01:02.10 | wasup | later guys...im off work... |
| 01:02.35 | wasup | zdooder: tomorrow i'll try messing around with it a little more |
| 01:02.50 | wasup | hopefully ali1234 or ginge is in here tomorrow to help us |
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| 01:26.29 | bryan_ | hey hey .. anyone around ? |
| 01:30.06 | bryan_ | :( |
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| 02:34.09 | szsoftware | dcordes: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=PolarisNAND |
| 02:34.20 | szsoftware | Good Night @ all! |
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| 03:56.20 | toonless | hello..... |
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| 06:19.57 | dcordes | morning |
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| 08:14.44 | yvo | Morning all |
| 08:14.59 | toonless | hey |
| 08:15.09 | BabelO_ | morning |
| 08:15.42 | toonless | hey im a new dash owner... any chance theres a stable linux alternative to wm6? |
| 08:17.30 | toonless | hello? |
| 08:18.16 | toonless | yvo? |
| 08:20.32 | toonless | mmk |
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| 08:23.45 | yvo | sorry, yes toonless ? |
| 08:24.14 | toonless | up |
| 08:24.24 | toonless | brb |
| 08:24.26 | yvo | what device do you have ? |
| 08:24.50 | toonless | dash/excalibur |
| 08:25.34 | toonless | aka s260 i think |
| 08:25.41 | toonless | brb |
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| 08:26.14 | toonless | back |
| 08:27.15 | toonless | so any idea? |
| 08:27.33 | yvo | Don't know. I'm still working on booting Linux on my KS20, so... |
| 08:28.11 | toonless | okay... |
| 08:28.31 | toonless | so why is this channel here? |
| 08:28.54 | yvo | to work on it |
| 08:29.14 | yvo | there is some devices that run linux |
| 08:29.22 | toonless | so not possible yet huh? |
| 08:29.46 | toonless | what devices and is there a wm? |
| 08:29.50 | yvo | it depends of the devices. The htc vogue boot as I heard |
| 08:29.59 | yvo | the kaiser is almost working |
| 08:30.00 | yvo | etc |
| 08:30.07 | yvo | yes, with wm and so |
| 08:30.30 | yvo | you should read posts on the xda-developers forum |
| 08:30.32 | toonless | a window manager? |
| 08:30.45 | toonless | cant now on device |
| 08:30.51 | toonless | well i can |
| 08:31.54 | toonless | link? |
| 08:32.29 | yvo | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265 for instance |
| 08:33.10 | toonless | damn client doesnt support links |
| 08:33.23 | toonless | wish there was a better one |
| 08:33.39 | yvo | copy/paste |
| 08:34.46 | toonless | no support for that either |
| 08:36.49 | toonless | sucky |
| 08:38.22 | toonless | i doubt there are drivers yet |
| 08:39.14 | yvo | drivers for ? |
| 08:39.37 | toonless | my device |
| 08:39.59 | yvo | possible, you may have to hack the kernel |
| 08:42.20 | toonless | ya no way |
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| 09:25.53 | BabelO_ | ola kiozen |
| 09:26.07 | kiozen | hi |
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| 09:37.23 | BabelO_ | kiozen: sorry i give you lot of work with my code :( |
| 09:38.38 | kiozen | BabelO_: bah, no worries! the code works perfect, that saved a lot of time |
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| 09:47.30 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i ll try to simulate the crosscorrelation picture :) at zoom 1 |
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| 09:48.18 | kiozen | ok, I have to my tax, hope I can do some real work this afternoon |
| 09:48.22 | BabelO_ | kiozen: about memory leak, memrpoof see nothing about array you added :( |
| 09:49.22 | kiozen | there shouldn't be a leak. I tested all "new" to have a corresponding "delete" |
| 09:49.53 | kiozen | and I avoid to use CPicProcess with "new" |
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| 09:54.11 | edsger | hi guys |
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| 11:57.37 | ALoGeNo | lo all.. |
| 11:58.53 | ALoGeNo | im installing debian bootstraped in my mp900c, all is ok, but im usin jlime kernel and modules, and dont works.. |
| 11:59.10 | ALoGeNo | that run with the kernel but dont detect the pcmcia |
| 11:59.38 | ALoGeNo | i was do the bootstrap with include pcmcia-cs |
| 12:00.04 | ALoGeNo | i need install something more to do may ethernet card run? |
| 12:00.14 | ALoGeNo | my* |
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| 12:01.23 | ALoGeNo | hey goxboxlive :) |
| 12:01.37 | goxboxlive | hi there |
| 12:01.49 | ALoGeNo | maybe you can give me a hand :) |
| 12:02.19 | ALoGeNo | 13:57 : ALoGeNo ¦ lo all.. |
| 12:02.19 | ALoGeNo | 13:58 : ALoGeNo ¦ im installing debian bootstraped in my mp900c, all is ok, but im usin jlime kernel and modules, and dont works.. |
| 12:02.19 | ALoGeNo | 13:59 : ALoGeNo ¦ that run with the kernel but dont detect the pcmcia |
| 12:02.19 | ALoGeNo | 13:59 : ALoGeNo ¦ i was do the bootstrap with include pcmcia-cs |
| 12:02.21 | ALoGeNo | 14:00 : ALoGeNo ¦ i need install something more to do may ethernet card run? |
| 12:02.23 | ALoGeNo | 14:00 : ALoGeNo ¦ my* |
| 12:02.58 | ALoGeNo | you know that goxboxlive¿ |
| 12:03.22 | goxboxlive | no idea |
| 12:03.42 | ALoGeNo | kk np :) |
| 12:04.54 | ALoGeNo | something happend with the modules cant load it |
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| 12:26.31 | Ibleace | Hello |
| 12:26.38 | Ibleace | dcordes u here? |
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| 12:55.12 | hao | i managed to boot android on a kaiser once.. then it froze and after this when i try to start it with haret the phone just freezes when the progressbar in haret reaches the end and nothing happens |
| 12:55.54 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive: hi, i ve started qt extented on BA |
| 12:56.16 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive: but i miss some modules, like gtalk or webkit it seem |
| 12:58.58 | ALoGeNo | hey BabelO_ morning :) |
| 12:59.11 | BabelO_ | hello ALoGeNo |
| 12:59.14 | ALoGeNo | hey guy i was installed debian bootstraped for arm machine, all is ok, but when i login the machine give me a root enforced whats happend? |
| 12:59.41 | ALoGeNo | and modules are in the right place, and pcmcia-cs installed but cant find modules |
| 13:00.01 | ALoGeNo | im a little lost :/ |
| 13:01.02 | ALoGeNo | nobody knows¿? |
| 13:03.05 | infernix | ugh. still no fix for the dma problems in kaiser |
| 13:03.27 | infernix | im gonna get the G1 if its not fixed. my love/hate relationship with wm6 is lacking love |
| 13:03.40 | infernix | driving me quite mad tbh |
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| 13:05.27 | Ibleace | any body here with Magician |
| 13:05.37 | Ibleace | i had tried Qtopia in my device |
| 13:05.41 | Ibleace | its booting fine |
| 13:05.51 | Ibleace | but its not loading GSM service |
| 13:05.58 | Ibleace | its says no modem |
| 13:06.01 | exco | yes - me |
| 13:06.31 | exco | that's expected |
| 13:06.48 | Ibleace | any solution? |
| 13:07.18 | exco | no, unless you know how to write missing userspace |
| 13:07.46 | exco | there's only one image I know of that has a working dialer |
| 13:07.55 | Ibleace | which one? |
| 13:08.03 | exco | and that's the OpenMoko one of pH5 |
| 13:08.21 | Ibleace | i tried that image too but same, problem was there |
| 13:09.01 | exco | I don't know if it automatically connects |
| 13:09.20 | Ibleace | hmmm |
| 13:09.24 | exco | but if you klick on the network icon -> connect it should |
| 13:09.26 | Ibleace | anyway thnx :) |
| 13:09.40 | exco | no problem |
| 13:19.37 | szsoftware | dcordes, cr2_: ping |
| 13:23.30 | exco | ~seen MnemonicPunk |
| 13:23.35 | apt | mnemonicpunk <n=atlantis@dslb-088-077-084-113.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 2d 19h 16m 16s ago, saying: 'Hm. Then ls goes "The following files WERE in this directory before you nuked the world"?'. |
| 13:36.43 | szsoftware | ping someone who knows what the IPL is |
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| 14:20.33 | szsoftware | dcordes: my orientation now is to examine pof's stuff (is he aka olipro, the hardspl guy?) |
| 14:21.40 | szsoftware | dcordes: there is a tool, that sounds very interesting: htcflasher (linux-tool), see http://pof.eslack.org/blog/ |
| 14:22.15 | szsoftware | dcordes: that list seems to be promisingly http://code.google.com/p/htc-flasher/wiki/SupportedDevices |
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| 15:39.05 | szsoftware | dcordes: maybe have some infos about nand offsets, please check your mail ;-) |
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| 16:12.51 | szsoftware | everybody is celebrating germany's reunification day? :-) |
| 16:13.37 | tcccp | Heim ins Reich Tag? |
| 16:13.39 | tcccp | nope |
| 16:14.52 | szsoftware | tcccp: Lieber reich ins heim, als heim ins reich :-) |
| 16:15.02 | tcccp | sort of |
| 16:15.57 | szsoftware | tcccp: what's your stuff your'e siiting on related htc-lnux? |
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| 16:16.15 | tcccp | HP iPaq hw6915 |
| 16:16.33 | szsoftware | tcccp: ok |
| 16:16.46 | tcccp | I want to get rid of WinCE |
| 16:16.50 | tcccp | Debian is a nice alternative |
| 16:19.03 | szsoftware | tcccp: think we all get rid of wince :-) |
| 16:21.26 | szsoftware | tcccp: is this device eol? |
| 16:21.53 | tcccp | I guess |
| 16:21.56 | tcccp | I bought it in 2006 |
| 16:22.41 | szsoftware | ok |
| 16:23.05 | tcccp | The next one is maybe a iPaq 914c |
| 16:23.16 | szsoftware | and what's the cuurentstate of linux for this device? |
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| 16:25.37 | tcccp | dunno |
| 16:25.38 | tcccp | we'll see |
| 16:27.15 | tcccp | I don't know why the hack every (lunatic) guy out there wants iPhones |
| 16:29.56 | tcccp | Apple shall die of gonorrhea and burn in hell for using intel processors |
| 16:31.38 | szsoftware | isn't it gonorrhea aka tripper? |
| 16:32.02 | tcccp | sort of ;) |
| 16:32.21 | tcccp | diarrhea would be interesting to see as well |
| 16:33.14 | szsoftware | lol |
| 16:34.39 | szsoftware | is your ipaq == htc_sable? |
| 16:35.43 | tcccp | seems so |
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| 16:54.57 | cr2 | tcccp: paq914 has the centrality cpu ? |
| 16:55.14 | tcccp | I don't have the slightest |
| 16:55.24 | tcccp | I chose my iPaqs by features, not hardware |
| 16:55.28 | cr2 | lol |
| 16:55.34 | tcccp | But I'm certain HP has decent stuff inside |
| 16:56.46 | cr2 | hmm, i thought about 314, it seems |
| 16:56.52 | cr2 | 914 has pxa270 |
| 16:57.59 | cr2 | usb2.0 |
| 16:58.07 | cr2 | so it#s not pxa270 usbh |
| 16:58.49 | cr2 | don#t see the big advantage over 6915 |
| 16:58.57 | cr2 | 128MB ram and umts, though. |
| 17:02.51 | szsoftware | cr2: Hi |
| 17:09.36 | szsoftware | cr2: ping |
| 17:24.21 | cr2 | hi szsoftware |
| 17:24.32 | cr2 | hehe. this one is funny-> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432661 |
| 17:35.10 | NetRipper | lol |
| 17:48.25 | szsoftware | cr2: do you think this informations will (dcordes) help porting the mdt/nand stuff: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=PolarisNAND |
| 17:50.19 | szsoftware | cr2: does he need more than the users partition offset? Wasn't the problem to know or not to know the area we can securely access/write without destroying important data |
| 17:50.20 | szsoftware | ? |
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| 17:50.49 | cr2 | szsoftware: it looks very interesting. i'll read it in full now |
| 17:52.06 | cr2 | 0x10000000-0xd360000 |
| 17:53.13 | cr2 | printf "0x%8.8x\n" $((0x10000000-0xd360000)) |
| 17:53.13 | cr2 | 0x02ca0000 |
| 17:54.23 | cr2 | szsoftware: we need to setup the way how NAND is splitted into pieces, so we need real absolute sizes and offsets. |
| 17:56.17 | cr2 | btw, what does "reversed block" mean ? i think i've already seen such message on hermes |
| 17:56.20 | szsoftware | cr2: so the offsets we got with pdocread are relative? To what, the hidden space |
| 17:56.22 | szsoftware | ? |
| 17:57.10 | szsoftware | cr2: what about the difference between the pdocread's offsets and the bootloader (htcflasher) output? |
| 17:58.41 | cr2 | szsoftware: hmm. the 0x2ca0000 != 0x2400000 |
| 17:59.11 | cr2 | there is an 0xaa0000 offset between them |
| 17:59.27 | cr2 | hm. |
| 17:59.52 | cr2 | 8a, sorry |
| 18:00.26 | szsoftware | cr2: I can send you the whole mail I got from willem, the author of itsutils/pdocread |
| 18:02.01 | cr2 | szsoftware: can you load the msm nand driver in linux ? |
| 18:02.21 | cr2 | i#m curious if it will detect DEVICE NAME=samsung_k9k2g08 |
| 18:02.31 | szsoftware | cr2: didn't try the latest development of dcordes |
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| 18:03.07 | cr2 | dcordes_: are you still celebrating ? |
| 18:03.34 | szsoftware | cr2: I am curious, what DEVICE NAME dcordes gets whith this tool. Did you mention, kaiser has no samsung? |
| 18:03.58 | cr2 | szsoftware: i've look at the ELF image, and it has 14 ELF sections. there should be an elf loader somewhere. |
| 18:04.08 | cr2 | szsoftware: hynix. check the logs |
| 18:05.08 | cr2 | DEVICE ID=0xAA |
| 18:05.08 | cr2 | DEVICE MAKER ID=0xEC |
| 18:05.14 | szsoftware | cr2: so the info in the kaiser_research wiki isn't right or kaiser has the one or the other |
| 18:06.34 | cr2 | hynix_hyh0ssj0mf3p |
| 18:08.00 | cr2 | [Mi Okt 1 2008] [22:42:51] <cr2_> nandid: 5580baad maker ad device ba |
| 18:08.35 | cr2 | szsoftware: this is what dcordes has |
| 18:10.05 | cr2 | szsoftware: what .cab do i need for itsutils.dll to work ? |
| 18:10.46 | cr2 | szsoftware: hmm. haret needs the raw read ioctl |
| 18:11.35 | szsoftware | cr2: I've used a cab from a wizard section from xda-devs, but I think this one does only a registry setting. |
| 18:11.50 | cr2 | ok, i'll check |
| 18:12.08 | szsoftware | cr2: will look for the info and write it in the polaris_nand wiki |
| 18:12.44 | cr2 | ok |
| 18:12.58 | cr2 | do you have a cpld in polaris ? |
| 18:13.53 | cr2 | btw, "Partition?0, type=0x20" |
| 18:14.13 | cr2 | i think "linux kitchen" must have names for the types. |
| 18:14.26 | cr2 | like "binfs", "rawfs", etc. |
| 18:15.22 | cr2 | i think the numbers are in 0x800 sized blocks (2K) |
| 18:15.32 | szsoftware | cr2: the registry trick is described here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_HowtoDumpRom |
| 18:15.33 | cr2 | but it should be checked. |
| 18:15.55 | szsoftware | cr2: after I installed the mentioned cab, the registry setting was ok |
| 18:16.12 | szsoftware | cr2: so I think, the cab done the setting |
| 18:16.34 | cr2 | afair the typhoon-linux page has signed registry editor ? |
| 18:17.22 | szsoftware | cr2: do you need a signed? |
| 18:17.40 | cr2 | yes, the hermes page provides full names for partition types. |
| 18:17.56 | cr2 | don't know, but who knows.. |
| 18:18.15 | cr2 | i think 'pocketpc' is unsigned, but 'smartphone' needs signed. |
| 18:20.06 | szsoftware | cr2: ah. btw you know, that the output with the full partition names are from the itsutil.log? I will look at it |
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| 18:27.06 | cr2 | DeviceIoControl(hDsk, DISK_IOCTL_READ |
| 18:27.18 | cr2 | should be easy to add |
| 18:28.47 | szsoftware | grep pi: /media/disk/itsutils.log | uniq |
| 18:28.48 | szsoftware | pi: name='Part00' filesys='BOOT' volname='' end=63e created=(null) modified=(null) attr=(none) type=20 |
| 18:28.48 | szsoftware | pi: name='Part01' filesys='RAWFS' volname='' end=780 created=(null) modified=(null) attr=(none) type=23 |
| 18:28.48 | szsoftware | pi: name='Part00' filesys='BOOT' volname='' end=63e created=(null) modified=(null) attr=(none) type=20 |
| 18:28.48 | szsoftware | pi: name='Part01' filesys='RAWFS' volname='' end=780 created=(null) modified=(null) attr=(none) type=23 |
| 18:28.48 | szsoftware | pi: name='Part02' filesys='imgfs.dll' volname='' end=bb40 created=(null) modified=(null) attr=MOUNTED type=25 |
| 18:28.51 | szsoftware | pi: name='Part03' filesys='fatfsd.dll' volname='' end=ddc0 created=(null) modified=(null) attr=MOUNTED type=04 |
| 18:28.59 | szsoftware | any new info? |
| 18:30.18 | cr2 | ok |
| 18:31.25 | szsoftware | ups, what did my uniq do ^^ |
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| 18:34.49 | wegah | dont know if ok to ask here.. but What about linux to HTC UNIVERSAL? anything about android? i was reading around about, but after openmoko, debian, qtopia etc etc etc.. seems nothing really DAY BY DAY USEFUL ( to use in place WINDOWS). |
| 18:41.39 | tmzt_ | wegah: do you mean for use as a phone? |
| 18:46.21 | szsoftware | dcordes: what do I need to be close on the nand developement? E.g want just load nand driver and see what happens/detects. |
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| 18:55.35 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_ are you there? |
| 18:55.45 | ALoGeNo | lo all |
| 18:56.30 | BruteSource | there a way to run an x enviroment inside of wm6? |
| 18:58.30 | wegah | <tmzt_> hi, Well, to use like a day by day phone. That linux work in HTC universal i know, iam using for a time debian inside, at alst to do little things. but like phone at last same functionality from WM? call, logs, sms in a smoot interface? |
| 18:58.59 | wegah | Android can be a GOOD things, but i was looking about and seems, MORE ONE DISTRO do run at kernel. |
| 18:59.59 | ALoGeNo | hy i have two questions, why after install debian by debootstrap in my 900c login wants that i put two times the password and that wnats new one? and another why my kernel cant find the modules? |
| 19:00.31 | ALoGeNo | the modules are in the right place ;/ |
| 19:02.25 | ali1234 | BruteSource: short of running an x86 emulator with a full linux install, no |
| 19:05.29 | BruteSource | what about just a cli? |
| 19:06.10 | tmzt_ | ALoGeNo: hi |
| 19:06.20 | ALoGeNo | hey man :)) |
| 19:06.34 | ALoGeNo | i get it i get the bootstrap in 900c :D |
| 19:06.52 | tmzt_ | BruteSource: I'm not sure quite what you are asking, all though there are cygwin type environments for ce |
| 19:07.04 | ALoGeNo | without initrd.gz and without 3 partitions :) |
| 19:07.17 | tmzt_ | this project is about booting from wm5/6 into an actual arm linux, where X is supported |
| 19:07.26 | BruteSource | thats what i meant cli / comand line interface |
| 19:07.54 | tmzt_ | oh, you asked that I thought that was a response |
| 19:07.59 | BruteSource | i know but i thought you guys were still far from that? |
| 19:08.44 | tmzt_ | you original question suggested you wanted to run X inside of wm6, not boot linux |
| 19:09.01 | tmzt_ | what device are you using? |
| 19:09.39 | BruteSource | dash |
| 19:10.05 | tmzt_ | some omap devices are supported, but I'm not sure about dash/excalibur |
| 19:10.13 | tmzt_ | you might try a linwizard kernel |
| 19:10.17 | BruteSource | i do want to boot linux... but i asked about running x because i thought booting wasnt possible yet |
| 19:12.24 | BruteSource | how much rish is involved in trying? will i lose wm6? and is it very difficult.. ? |
| 19:12.53 | tmzt_ | it should be the same as a soft-reset on wm6, but you will want to backup anything important anyway |
| 19:13.06 | tmzt_ | linux runs only from ram right now, so wm6 will still be installed |
| 19:14.19 | BruteSource | is the install hard like a gentoo install.. or more like an ubuntu install? |
| 19:14.43 | tmzt_ | linwizard distro is based on gentoo, but already compiled/built |
| 19:15.03 | BruteSource | is 200mhz enough proc? |
| 19:15.06 | tmzt_ | running it is as simple as copying a folder to your storage/sd card and running an .exe |
| 19:15.58 | BruteSource | are you serious? oh im so trying it... |
| 19:16.15 | BruteSource | im excited.. has it ben tested on my phone? |
| 19:17.22 | BruteSource | been.. god i hate the refresh rate on this keyboard. |
| 19:18.55 | BruteSource | tmzt_ whats the website where i can get started? can i do it without a pc? |
| 19:21.13 | BruteSource | hello? |
| 19:22.29 | wegah | BURB... |
| 19:23.52 | BruteSource | sighs... |
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| 19:24.16 | wegah | <BruteSource> http://apt.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/ http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Xanadux http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Main_Page http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=3a225b02dee6874d19a7211a6077462c&showforum=141 |
| 19:24.48 | BruteSource | ya which one |
| 19:25.18 | wegah | <BruteSource> your device? |
| 19:25.26 | BruteSource | dash |
| 19:25.51 | BruteSource | he said to try linwizard |
| 19:26.59 | wegah | it is Excalibur it is? |
| 19:28.48 | BruteSource | ya but some seem to say there is a difference but i dunno |
| 19:30.34 | BruteSource | so... |
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| 19:33.07 | BruteSource | tmzt_ ? |
| 19:33.53 | wegah | in a little google search what i receive was this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337680 |
| 19:34.14 | tmzt_ | BruteSource: I was on a different screen |
| 19:34.23 | wegah | but seems not for your device |
| 19:34.42 | tmzt_ | dash is touchscreen? |
| 19:34.58 | BruteSource | no |
| 19:35.49 | wegah | i didnt find |
| 19:36.00 | tmzt_ | it may be difficult to use, but seeing if the kernel boots would be a first step |
| 19:36.02 | ali1234 | dash is like a blackberry style device |
| 19:36.22 | ali1234 | i think it's omap 850 so linwizard should work, but i think somebody reported the keyboard doesnt work properly |
| 19:36.44 | tmzt_ | linwizard.sf.net go to "All Packages" |
| 19:39.01 | tmzt_ | its a .tar.gz so you will have to extract it |
| 19:40.03 | BruteSource | hrm ill have to do it when i get on a pc |
| 19:41.47 | BruteSource | is it easy to try different keyboard modules if it doesnt work? |
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| 19:46.30 | tmzt_ | keyboard appears to be on a somewhat standard chip, not a matrix keyboard where all the gpio's have to be figured out |
| 19:46.47 | tmzt_ | it might be just a keymap issue |
| 19:47.07 | tmzt_ | also, what operating system are you using on pc? |
| 19:54.17 | BruteSource | windows.. cause its not mine but i can un tar gz |
| 19:54.42 | wegah | What about androit in HTC devices? someone here is working? |
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| 19:54.57 | BruteSource | ya on the g1 lol |
| 19:55.07 | wasup | what up? |
| 19:55.45 | wegah | :/ |
| 19:56.14 | BruteSource | is the tcp stuff better on the linux build |
| 19:58.56 | tmzt_ | http://forum.xda-devlopers.com/showthread.php?t=385129&page=7 |
| 19:59.37 | wasup | zdooder: have you got anything working? |
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| 20:00.07 | tmzt_ | http://forum.xda-devlopers.com/showpost.php?p2577273&postcount=66 |
| 20:00.15 | BruteSource | who is that for? i cant copy paste or click links... |
| 20:01.25 | tmzt_ | http://forum.xda-devlopers.com/showthread.php?t=2162449&postcount=32 |
| 20:01.37 | tmzt_ | there are logs at irclog.iclem.net |
| 20:01.45 | tmzt_ | http://forum.xda-devlopers.com/showpost.php?p=2577273&postcount=66 |
| 20:01.57 | tmzt_ | usb lan driver for windows, and instructions to ssh |
| 20:02.27 | wasup | the link is missing dev"e"lopers |
| 20:02.33 | wasup | :) |
| 20:02.43 | wasup | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2577273&postcount=66 |
| 20:03.08 | wasup | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2162449&postcount=32 |
| 20:03.32 | tmzt_ | apparently linwizard uses cdc-ether, if it used rndis it shouldn't need a driver in windows xp/vista |
| 20:03.45 | BruteSource | i thought i just had to drag and drop a folder lol |
| 20:04.12 | tmzt_ | yes, to boot linux you need to drag and drop a folder |
| 20:04.33 | tmzt_ | if the keyboard doesn't work, you can't do much without a ssh connection |
| 20:05.23 | BruteSource | oic but i wont know how to make the keyboard work... |
| 20:06.21 | tmzt_ | here or #linwizard may be able to help you |
| 20:07.03 | tmzt_ | wegah: are you still there? |
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| 20:08.14 | BruteSource | i hipe so |
| 20:09.27 | BruteSource | hope even |
| 20:09.32 | tmzt_ | probably the easiest thing to start with is running showkey and seeing if there is a keycode for every key |
| 20:10.00 | tmzt_ | then it could at least be mapped without compiling the kernel |
| 20:11.18 | BruteSource | sounds like fun lol |
| 20:12.44 | BruteSource | can i ssh through usb and over the internet or.. |
| 20:12.52 | BruteSource | just usb? |
| 20:15.54 | BruteSource | tmzt_ can i just try now with no pc just to see if it will even boot? or wil i need a pc too? |
| 20:20.47 | BruteSource | hello.... |
| 20:29.13 | szsoftware | dcordes_: ping |
| 20:29.33 | BruteSource | umm |
| 20:30.42 | szsoftware | does someone know, howto use oe's toolchain (here cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi) for compiling git kernel source outside of oe? |
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| 20:36.20 | tmzt_ | BruteSource: I though you needed to un .tar.gz it? |
| 20:37.31 | zdooder | wasup: Hey, haven't had time to do much more since yesterday... so no not really |
| 20:37.33 | tmzt_ | it don't know if ezyUnZIP supports it |
| 20:38.09 | zdooder | wasup: I think I deduced that the "in1-20" that haret shows corresponds to GPIO20 (which on the Kaiser is the keyboard IRQ according to the wiki) |
| 20:39.07 | BruteSource | tmzt_ think there is a app for wm to do that? |
| 20:45.03 | BruteSource | oh you just said that lol |
| 20:45.32 | BruteSource | i just wish there was abetter irc client maybe one where i can click links and a free one |
| 20:46.37 | wasup | zdooder: so have you tried anything... |
| 20:48.14 | zdooder | wasup: Not in terms of new builds or anything, no, nothing new. |
| 20:48.45 | BruteSource | i wana try this out but it has to be ota |
| 20:50.09 | wasup | zdooder: so....what should we do? |
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| 20:54.12 | zdooder | wasup: not sure.. I was mostly reading the code trying to understand how it all works together |
| 20:54.38 | wasup | zdooder: oh...cool cool.... |
| 20:54.43 | zdooder | wasup: or is supposed to work anyway ;-) |
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| 20:55.14 | BruteSource | spray me |
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| 20:55.29 | BruteSource | oops wtf |
| 20:55.37 | dmanmHTC | Hello |
| 20:55.42 | ALoGeNo | hi |
| 20:56.12 | BruteSource | hello is anyone else in here on there phone right now? im lokin for a better irc client |
| 20:56.21 | BruteSource | lokin |
| 20:56.46 | dmanmHTC | Hey I saw this link on the XDA-dev forums and i am currently trying to get Android working on my Titan aka Bell PPC6800 |
| 20:56.50 | BruteSource | should be looking |
| 20:57.16 | BruteSource | wait a minute... android is available? |
| 20:57.17 | dcordes_ | evening |
| 20:57.24 | dmanmHTC | Yes. |
| 20:57.26 | BruteSource | for free? |
| 20:57.38 | dmanmHTC | well they cant charge for it since it is open source |
| 20:57.56 | BruteSource | so is fedora.. doesnt stop them |
| 20:58.01 | dcordes_ | szsoftware: pong. kernel source is in tmp/cross/bin/ |
| 20:58.04 | BruteSource | and suse |
| 20:58.21 | dmanmHTC | the only thing that makes those cost money is because they are compiled |
| 20:58.22 | dcordes_ | szsoftware: sorry I mean toolchain is in tmp/cross/bin/ |
| 20:58.34 | zdooder | uh... those also come with support :-P |
| 20:58.38 | dmanmHTC | yea |
| 20:58.40 | dmanmHTC | that too |
| 20:58.43 | BruteSource | anyways... is it availible for non touch screen devices such as the excalibur/dash? |
| 20:58.54 | dmanmHTC | no |
| 20:59.00 | dcordes_ | szsoftware: nice you managed to dump the roms. how did you do it? |
| 20:59.10 | BruteSource | only touch screen? |
| 20:59.29 | dmanmHTC | right now it only works on the vogue and is in the process of being ported to the Titan |
| 20:59.49 | dmanmHTC | i am running it on the titan however they keyboard doesnt work and the screen isnt calibrated properly for touch |
| 20:59.50 | szsoftware | dcordes_: please look at the polarisNAND wiki |
| 20:59.50 | zdooder | dmanmHTC: I think there's various levels of Kaiser support too, at least. |
| 21:00.07 | dmanmHTC | yea well the kaiser is just the TytnII |
| 21:00.08 | dmanmHTC | so |
| 21:00.10 | dmanmHTC | same phone |
| 21:00.12 | dmanmHTC | upgraded internals |
| 21:00.26 | szsoftware | dcordes_: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=PolarisNAND |
| 21:00.35 | dmanmHTC | but it is indeed correct |
| 21:00.38 | BruteSource | guess ill have better luck with linux |
| 21:01.09 | wegah | Humm.. i tryed to some work using the angtron patch, and android kernel, besides the versions. just to know about.., well, the device BOOt ( HTC UNIVERSAL). but was just for FUN..not serious. If someone wioth GOOD knowledgment and time do all well done, HTC universal can be a GOOD ANDROID device. |
| 21:01.21 | szsoftware | dcordes_: is there some usefull for you? cr2 said something about that, some hours ago. |
| 21:02.32 | dmanmHTC | yea.. my main problem right now is mainly what zdooder is referring to which is the keyboard not working and none of the buttons on the device work and the screen a little miscalibrated.. it does however boot and allow me to access the OS |
| 21:02.52 | BruteSource | im just gunna buy a G1 |
| 21:02.55 | dcordes_ | szsoftware: ok read wiki and email. amss is the arm9 software yea |
| 21:03.11 | dcordes_ | szsoftware: I'll read the entire log. doubt I'll be of any help |
| 21:04.00 | szsoftware | dcordes_: I am very sorry, you explained that so often (but in pieces :-)). can you help me compiling a kernel with the latest development status, step by step? Especcially which git, which branch, diff, config and so? |
| 21:04.24 | dmanmHTC | the G1 looks like a nice unit and for you, who doesnt have a touch screen I would think that it is a good option; however people that have Titans should be in luck in the very near future due to the fact that they already have quite a sufficent build available for the Vogue aka HTC Touch |
| 21:05.27 | szsoftware | dcordes_: 1st step right? git-clone git://linuxtogo.org/home/groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git |
| 21:06.14 | szsoftware | dcordes_: next step, checkout branch htc-msm? |
| 21:06.31 | dcordes_ | there's only 2.6.24 in git. no 2.6.25 |
| 21:07.21 | szsoftware | dcordes_: hum, you said that. |
| 21:07.32 | dcordes_ | I uploaded my worktree yesterday |
| 21:07.50 | dcordes_ | it has the code which works for polaris framebuffer |
| 21:08.04 | dcordes_ | but the on screen keyboard does not function in it |
| 21:08.11 | szsoftware | dcordes_: oh, what is the git path? |
| 21:08.25 | dcordes_ | I uploaded a tarball. not to git |
| 21:08.44 | szsoftware | dcordes_: doesn't matter, I want to be very close on the latest development, including broken things |
| 21:09.05 | szsoftware | dcordes_: wait |
| 21:09.06 | dcordes_ | you can't input anything |
| 21:09.55 | dcordes_ | no on screen keyboard. modem is only semi operational (AT works but not net data, need to ask barry how to fix it) |
| 21:10.01 | dcordes_ | rest is ok |
| 21:11.13 | szsoftware | dcordes_: yes I know that so far. Maybe I can set up a gprs connection |
| 21:11.35 | BruteSource | i know this is off topic but can anyone reccomend a good winmobile irc client please? |
| 21:11.53 | dcordes_ | szsoftware: but only if I figured how you fix the smd1 chan |
| 21:12.11 | dcordes_ | BruteSource: let me know if you have one please :) |
| 21:12.16 | szsoftware | dcordes_: It is because I wanna see what the nand driver is saying when it loads. Because it seems that I have a samsung nand, and you have an other |
| 21:13.15 | BruteSource | dcordes_ huh? |
| 21:13.40 | dcordes_ | szsoftware: should sufice to figure out nandid |
| 21:13.58 | dmanmHTC | BruteSource: PocketIRC 1.2 is one i have used in the past that is fiarly good. |
| 21:14.10 | dmanmHTC | and its freeware |
| 21:14.17 | BruteSource | is it free? |
| 21:14.27 | dmanmHTC | ^^ |
| 21:14.32 | BruteSource | sweet going to find a cab now cause wmirc sucks |
| 21:14.40 | dmanmHTC | haha |
| 21:14.50 | BruteSource | no link support |
| 21:15.05 | BruteSource | no multiple server support |
| 21:16.26 | dcordes_ | cr2: yes celebrated until now |
| 21:17.11 | BruteSource | and anyone know of an app to un tar and gzip? for winmobile? |
| 21:17.36 | wasup | dmanmHTC: have you tried calbrating the screen? |
| 21:18.10 | dmanmHTC | im not familliar with how to do that in android on the Titan |
| 21:18.26 | wasup | press and hold the camera button |
| 21:18.32 | wasup | so the keypad shows. |
| 21:18.38 | BruteSource | dcordes_ it failed.. said it wasnt intended for this device :( |
| 21:18.52 | dmanmHTC | ok |
| 21:18.59 | wasup | while holding the camera button press the top right then the bottom right |
| 21:19.03 | wasup | of your screen |
| 21:19.11 | wasup | bottom left* |
| 21:19.15 | BruteSource | i mean dmanmHTC |
| 21:19.33 | BruteSource | is it not for winmobile? may ppc |
| 21:19.54 | wasup | You can also calibrate the touchscreen by holding the camera button down (so that the keyboard is showing) while tapping the top right and then the bottom left of the screen. |
| 21:20.04 | wasup | ^thats off of dzo's website |
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| 21:21.05 | BruteSource | dmanmHTC it says its 14.95 and wouldnt install... maybe its the wrong one? |
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| 21:22.02 | dmanmHTC | Yea maybe it is the wrong one.. sorry brutesource |
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| 21:26.18 | BruteSource | ill find one lol thx for trying |
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| 21:45.39 | cr2 | dcordes: the "invisible" part looks the same on raphael and polaris |
| 21:46.49 | dcordes | cr2: invisble=hardcoded offset in wince nand driver right? |
| 21:47.47 | cr2 | i'll modify the table a bit, so it'll be more obvious |
| 21:48.14 | cr2 | dcordes: have you managed to dump the kaiser rom ? |
| 21:48.28 | dcordes | no I did no try since yesterday night |
| 21:48.35 | dcordes | had no time today, no shit |
| 21:48.41 | cr2 | ok |
| 21:49.02 | szsoftware | cr2: It seems that there is no easy way to get a whole dump. |
| 21:49.17 | szsoftware | But only the 4 Partitions |
| 21:49.33 | cr2 | szsoftware: it's ok for me now |
| 21:49.36 | szsoftware | For most People everthing they want |
| 21:49.51 | cr2 | szsoftware: what will happen if i'll overwrite the spl ? |
| 21:49.55 | dcordes | everything excluding the driver shadowed area |
| 21:50.19 | szsoftware | cr2: dont know? Bricked device? |
| 21:50.21 | dcordes | cr2: cool write a nice u-boot into it |
| 21:50.59 | cr2 | szsoftware: but there is a lot of other stuff running before spl. maybe it'll be possible to recover ? |
| 21:51.36 | cr2 | i'm looking at htc-flasher by pof |
| 21:52.01 | cr2 | don't like the 'unsigned long' in structures, but it's a good software :) |
| 21:52.17 | szsoftware | I try to understand this hidden offset stuff but dont' know lot about that. Just can help to examine |
| 21:52.39 | dcordes | cr2: szsoftware figured that htc-flasher does easily show the used nand type |
| 21:54.05 | cr2 | dcordes: why is it news ? the id/manufacturer table is hardcoded in the spl, and i've posted it. |
| 21:54.55 | dcordes | didn't say it was special/new. pof must have this or a similar table in the htc-flasher code |
| 21:57.06 | cr2 | no, he calls 'info 8' |
| 21:57.16 | cr2 | so this data comes from the spl |
| 22:01.01 | dcordes | ok |
| 22:01.51 | szsoftware | cr2: did you mention, you're thinking about writing a debugging spl? |
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| 22:13.40 | dcordes | cr2: would it be possible to at least only pass the user partition to the nand driver with the current info available? |
| 22:17.48 | cr2 | dcordes: yes |
| 22:18.06 | cr2 | dcordes: what happens if you'll blow away the wince partition ? |
| 22:19.11 | cr2 | szsoftware: we need the "spl" only as a backup security option. for flashing the main OS, and for hardware testing. like the 'console' app in the old good times. |
| 22:19.34 | cr2 | s/app/mode/ |
| 22:19.49 | dcordes | cr2: what will happen is, vodafone shop woman won't provide the 1day replacement service again |
| 22:20.32 | dcordes | cr2: let's first try and get the user part. mounted in case it's really possible |
| 22:21.09 | dcordes | afterwards, if I go back to stock spl and all I might experiment a bit |
| 22:21.48 | szsoftware | cr2: but what about hardspl, we can already flash like wild dogs ;-) . Isn't it? |
| 22:24.07 | cr2 | szsoftware: if you'll grep through the logs, i've already said that i'll flash hardspl only when i'll see the source code, or the description what was modified and why |
| 22:26.12 | szsoftware | cr2: Ok, thanks for explaining your reluctance. |
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| 22:32.30 | BruteSource | is there a handhelp chanel? |
| 22:32.45 | cr2 | szsoftware: it's critical piece of software, and must be published. imho |
| 22:34.10 | szsoftware | cr2: so you're not using any smartphone nor pda? |
| 22:34.54 | BruteSource | i hate that mobile developers are starting to drop support for non touchscreen devices... i mean they do still make non touchscreen smartphones |
| 22:37.03 | cr2 | szsoftware: i never change anything in the manufacturer software |
| 22:37.23 | cr2 | szsoftware: if i don't understand what are they doing there. |
| 22:37.50 | BruteSource | i really need a better irc client for this phone... but does one exist... |
| 22:37.51 | cr2 | then i write a replacement. if i'll need it, or i'm motivated to do it |
| 22:38.41 | dcordes | cr2: I did stick with the stock stoftware on kaiser as well - until I noticed haret works only reliable in wm 6.1 |
| 22:38.46 | dcordes | (on the kaiser) |
| 22:38.49 | cr2 | szsoftware: and i don't use microsoft software on my computers since 1994. or apple, or other weird stuff that's around |
| 22:39.37 | cr2 | dcordes: then we are dong something wrong in haret. |
| 22:40.14 | dcordes | cr2: it's a known fact but I never wondered how it is caused |
| 22:40.15 | BruteSource | dcordes i found out what it was... was only for touchscreen devices... |
| 22:40.48 | dcordes | BruteSource: ok. found something now? |
| 22:40.55 | cr2 | dcordes: hmm. |
| 22:41.35 | szsoftware | cr2: yes on computers and I understand your point of view. But I use to say, one day one of those evil ompanies catch everyone. |
| 22:42.53 | dcordes | szsoftware: how'd they catch you if you don't use their software? |
| 22:43.07 | cr2 | szsoftware: installing linux on 80386 in 1994 was as painful, as installing linux on a wince smartphone today. |
| 22:43.08 | BruteSource | dcordes no :( i tried their older version for non touchscreen they had a mips arm and another one and none of them would install i dunno why :( |
| 22:44.38 | dcordes | cr2: I second the aim this statement might want to imply |
| 22:44.45 | BruteSource | dcordes lol its frustrating as hell |
| 22:47.12 | dcordes | BruteSource: well on the device I currently have in use (kaiser) I can use a linux irc client by now |
| 22:47.41 | dcordes | BruteSource: so I'm not in urgent need of a wince client. was just wondering if something useful is around since I also tried to get a wince client once |
| 22:47.47 | szsoftware | dcordes: oh cool, which one? |
| 22:48.06 | BruteSource | dcordes this is the ultimate goal im going to be working on linux a lil later i hope your here to help |
| 22:48.54 | szsoftware | cr2: yes, thats my goal. Not to be a bitch anymore :-) |
| 22:49.20 | BruteSource | but i see now sucussesful stories about someone getting linux on an excalibur/dash yet so im discouraged |
| 22:49.40 | szsoftware | cr2: unfortunately I bought wrong device :D |
| 22:49.58 | BruteSource | it appears i did as well |
| 22:50.00 | dcordes | szsoftware: irssi |
| 22:50.16 | BruteSource | can you run xchat? |
| 22:50.26 | dcordes | BruteSource: see the devices already supporting linux then you have quite an amount of successful stories |
| 22:50.55 | BruteSource | dcordes do you see the dash on that list? |
| 22:51.34 | dcordes | BruteSource: no I have no X working. |
| 22:51.48 | cr2 | szsoftware: wrong device ? |
| 22:52.39 | BruteSource | also its running from a ram disk right? so i only have like 32 mb of as it is anyways |
| 22:52.57 | BruteSource | of ram* |
| 22:53.01 | szsoftware | cr2: afaik htc devices are not delivered empty? |
| 22:53.43 | BruteSource | actually i dunno how much ram i have.... |
| 22:53.54 | BruteSource | im sure not much |
| 22:54.46 | dcordes | BruteSource: you might ask the linwizard guys about excalibur. they also use omap850. don't know if you have any storage driver |
| 22:55.27 | szsoftware | dcordes: do I have to mention such line in the Kernel Makefile: ../tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi |
| 22:55.32 | szsoftware | - |
| 22:56.40 | BruteSource | dcordes its dead there lol |
| 22:56.42 | dcordes | that's the CROSS_COMPILE= variable |
| 22:56.48 | cr2 | szsoftware: imho, there is no other way. htc phones are the most open and at the same time technically advanced devices available on the market |
| 22:57.25 | BruteSource | what about rim |
| 22:57.37 | BruteSource | or hp or dell |
| 22:57.57 | szsoftware | dcordes: ah,ok |
| 22:58.02 | cr2 | BruteSource: how many pdas/phones from hp and dell come not from htc ? |
| 22:58.22 | BruteSource | dell has there own pdas lol |
| 22:58.32 | szsoftware | cr2: Ok, then I have the wrong device in the htc product line |
| 22:58.36 | BruteSource | there hw i used to have one |
| 22:58.37 | cr2 | BruteSource: even the palm treo line is from htc |
| 22:59.25 | cr2 | szsoftware: since we knew that androids will use 720xA cpu, adapting for 7200 means additional work |
| 22:59.25 | BruteSource | eww i hate palm devices |
| 23:00.21 | cr2 | BruteSource: i'm talking about the technical merits |
| 23:00.29 | BruteSource | im trying to remember the name of my dell pda im pretty sure it was not htc |
| 23:00.44 | BruteSource | it was an x something or other |
| 23:01.13 | cr2 | szsoftware: and the android kernel misses the clock and pmic control code, so it needs to be written from scratch too. |
| 23:01.14 | szsoftware | cr2: however, we are here and don't give up |
| 23:01.48 | BruteSource | so android is *nix at heart? |
| 23:02.35 | cr2 | BruteSource: the fact is that the absolute majority of hp pdas were made by htc |
| 23:02.45 | cr2 | BruteSource: lol. you must be new here :) |
| 23:03.03 | BruteSource | cr2 guilty |
| 23:03.36 | BruteSource | i didnt know android was linux based |
| 23:03.38 | cr2 | szsoftware: there is no reason to gave up |
| 23:03.59 | cr2 | BruteSource: android is java-based gui on top of the linux kernel |
| 23:04.33 | BruteSource | so its not x? |
| 23:04.34 | dcordes | szsoftware: I didn't know there will be any htcs with msm720xA when I got the msm7200 kaiser |
| 23:04.36 | szsoftware | cr2: right, thats for the impatient |
| 23:04.42 | cr2 | szsoftware: we need just some more patience and more cooperation |
| 23:05.10 | szsoftware | dcordes: me too |
| 23:05.26 | cr2 | dcordes: there were (is) no msm docs at all |
| 23:05.45 | BruteSource | does it run an actual wm? |
| 23:05.45 | dcordes | BruteSource: it's all java. no X no nothing |
| 23:06.04 | dcordes | cr2: docs? |
| 23:06.09 | cr2 | dcordes: we learned about the differences between A and non-A when we have seen the android code, and compared with the wiki data |
| 23:06.14 | BruteSource | wow so thats weird |
| 23:06.32 | cr2 | BruteSource: qtopia aka Qt extended uses raw framebuffer too. |
| 23:06.52 | dcordes | cr2: yea that's why I said I didn't know about 7x0xA when I got the kais |
| 23:07.04 | BruteSource | sounds genius |
| 23:07.28 | cr2 | dcordes: msm was a dangerous bet anyway. |
| 23:07.50 | cr2 | dcordes: you could have seen it from omap850 story |
| 23:08.14 | dcordes | from my point of view at the time obtaining the device it was really uncertain it will boot something at all |
| 23:08.18 | BruteSource | is the g1 omap850 |
| 23:08.26 | cr2 | and compare it to the universal, where virtually everything works. |
| 23:08.32 | dcordes | BruteSource: msm7201A |
| 23:09.14 | BruteSource | which is faster? |
| 23:09.16 | dcordes | cr2: the comparison is unfair. there are far more pxa devices in the wild |
| 23:09.22 | dcordes | (than msm) |
| 23:09.30 | dcordes | BruteSource: msm7201A |
| 23:09.50 | cr2 | dcordes: pxa has excellent CPU docs. |
| 23:09.55 | BruteSource | whats the fsb and clock speed? |
| 23:10.17 | cr2 | dcordes: maybe because of the sa1100 heritage |
| 23:10.58 | dcordes | cr2: oh ok. so you mean omap850 and msm are undocumented and are pita and still don't work, the well documented pxa universal is running perfectly |
| 23:11.01 | cr2 | BruteSource: it's difficult to say |
| 23:11.48 | BruteSource | not released? and how do you know its faster than omap850 then? |
| 23:12.05 | cr2 | BruteSource: for the pxa270 cpu it's 200MHz and 624MHz |
| 23:12.39 | cr2 | BruteSource: because i can compare the wince+program performance on both ;) |
| 23:12.40 | BruteSource | oh its a chipset? im dumb |
| 23:13.30 | BruteSource | i thought you were talking about procs not chipsets... i dont know anything about mobile computinf sorry |
| 23:13.43 | BruteSource | computing* |
| 23:14.48 | BruteSource | i want the stats on my phone but i cant find em on google and gprs is really slow |
| 23:15.46 | dcordes | cr2: do you know how I can setup a qt extended image for a qvga device? |
| 23:15.50 | BruteSource | all i know is that i want linux on this device.. like yesterday and the linwizard channel is dead |
| 23:16.16 | dcordes | cr2: maybe it (the qt extended gui) will magically work on kaiser fb |
| 23:16.46 | cr2 | dcordes: lol :) |
| 23:17.10 | BruteSource | this sucks :( |
| 23:17.28 | cr2 | dcordes: BabelO has compiled qtopia for blueangel |
| 23:17.51 | cr2 | dcordes: and you need to write some glue code for the smd* channel support |
| 23:17.54 | dcordes | I wasn't so successful with those images as of now. |
| 23:18.12 | dcordes | cr2: first I need a gui other than android. it makes me sick. |
| 23:18.39 | dcordes | linux on a touchscreen device but only binary gui software |
| 23:18.59 | BruteSource | lol |
| 23:18.59 | cr2 | dcordes: can you start the plain Xfb server ? |
| 23:19.11 | cr2 | BruteSource: which phone do you have ? |
| 23:19.18 | dcordes | cr2: yes but it has display problems |
| 23:19.31 | BruteSource | cr2 dash/excalibur |
| 23:20.20 | BruteSource | i believe its also called a s260 |
| 23:20.23 | cr2 | BruteSource: it's an omap850 phone ? |
| 23:20.45 | dcordes | cr2: it only displays the X wallpaper and cursor pixmap and nothing else |
| 23:20.59 | cr2 | dcordes: it's enough |
| 23:21.02 | dcordes | cr2: if I try to display more it locks up |
| 23:21.11 | BruteSource | cr2 thats what they tell me |
| 23:21.18 | cr2 | dcordes: does the touchscreen move the cursor ? |
| 23:21.36 | dcordes | I remember once I managed to start an xterm but it only displayed one frame of the program initializing but then died |
| 23:22.03 | cr2 | BruteSource: ok, how well does the linwizard image work for you ? |
| 23:22.09 | dcordes | cr2: no although the kaiser ts works as well as it does in android when you test it in ts_calibrate ts_test ts_whatnot |
| 23:22.27 | dcordes | cr2: it's because Xfbdev only displays a frozen picture |
| 23:22.43 | cr2 | dcordes: this is strange. |
| 23:22.59 | cr2 | dcordes: afair your 'fbset' output was a bit funny |
| 23:23.17 | cr2 | the size was correct, but the rest was not so nice. |
| 23:23.24 | dcordes | cr2: when I run Xfbdev and remotely start an xev (displayed on a remote host), tap around on kaiser, xev prints the touches |
| 23:23.33 | cr2 | ok |
| 23:23.35 | dcordes | so tslib works perfectly, passes the data to X |
| 23:23.43 | dcordes | X receives it but refuses to displa |
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| 23:24.19 | cr2 | dcordes: hmm, ok. didn't use X on a pda for a long time... |
| 23:24.46 | dcordes | ask tmzt_ about it he basically made the touchscreen work on kaiser and went through hours of X debugging |
| 23:25.03 | dcordes | cr2: I don't recall exactly what was wrong with qtopia |
| 23:25.09 | dcordes | still have the config file I made |
| 23:25.15 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/qpe-kaiser |
| 23:27.23 | cr2 | ok |
| 23:28.25 | dcordes | maybe I should try with a sort of minimum/debug build of qtopia? |
| 23:28.32 | dcordes | is something like that present? |
| 23:33.27 | dcordes | cr2: where can I grab the source for the latest qt extended accessibility experience? |
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| 23:34.07 | BruteSource | Okay I am back on a pc.... Will soneone give me the link to the tar.gz so I can try this finally? |
| 23:35.01 | dcordes | BruteSource: I really don't know about excalibur. can only suggest to try booting linwizard kernel |
| 23:35.03 | BruteSource | Do I want the artemin? |
| 23:35.13 | BruteSource | Artemis |
| 23:35.37 | BruteSource | How can I try linwizard? |
| 23:36.20 | dcordes | linwizard.sourceforge.net |
| 23:36.24 | BruteSource | I dont see it on the xda site |
| 23:36.32 | BruteSource | Oh its a different project? |
| 23:36.49 | BruteSource | So no just adding a folder and running an exe? |
| 23:38.13 | BruteSource | Oh linwizard has no network yet :( |
| 23:38.20 | dcordes | ? |
| 23:38.43 | dcordes | oh I see. wouldn't matter anyway because you have no wizard |
| 23:39.16 | BruteSource | Huh? |
| 23:39.32 | BruteSource | It has edge just no wifi support is what t5he page says |
| 23:40.20 | dcordes | yes the wizard |
| 23:40.50 | BruteSource | What is the "wizard"? |
| 23:41.12 | wasup | HTC P4300 |
| 23:41.13 | dcordes | also a htc device. has the same chipset (omap850) as the excalibur |
| 23:41.17 | BruteSource | I am confused are you saying linwizrd will not work for me or it might? |
| 23:41.52 | dcordes | the latter |
| 23:43.01 | BruteSource | It shows the MDA on the main page |
| 23:43.05 | BruteSource | is that the wizard? |
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| 23:44.29 | BruteSource | Oic so any hw that is different on my device from the wizard will not work |
| 23:46.02 | dcordes | BruteSource: check out wiki.xda-developers.com it has a listing of many htc devices with pictures and shows their "codenames". you should try to stick with these codenames to not cause confusion |
| 23:46.33 | BruteSource | I am just calling it what the manufacturer calls it lol |
| 23:46.47 | BruteSource | Well the carrier anyways |
| 23:48.44 | BruteSource | dcordes will you help me try to figure out linwizard please? |
| 23:51.35 | dcordes | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174107&package_id=199577 |
| 23:52.10 | BruteSource | I already unzipped it and am transferring it to my stotage card |
| 23:52.53 | BruteSource | I am gunna need help getting my hardware working is what I meant |
| 23:53.38 | dcordes | we should first check which is the most similar device to excalibur with the best linux support |
| 23:53.51 | dcordes | or even check for excalibur specific kernel code |
| 23:53.55 | BruteSource | Well bad news already |
| 23:53.59 | dcordes | do you know the handhelds.org tree? |
| 23:54.03 | BruteSource | haret crashed |
| 23:54.40 | BruteSource | So I dunno what that means dcordes |
| 23:55.04 | BruteSource | It said Unhandled exception.... |
| 23:56.13 | dcordes | which haret do you use? try a recent build |
| 23:56.30 | BruteSource | The one included with the link you gave me |
| 23:56.35 | BruteSource | How? |
| 23:57.25 | dcordes | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET |
| 23:58.08 | dcordes | http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20080927c.exe this seems to be the latest build |
| 23:58.24 | dcordes | have a look at the documentation page |
| 23:58.34 | BruteSource | I am |
| 23:58.53 | BruteSource | Do I just replace the haret exe with this new one dcordes? |
| 23:59.15 | dcordes | yep |