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08:30.25BabelO_morning
08:39.47Marajinhey BabelO_
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08:40.02MarajinWhat's shaking in groove town?
08:45.00BabelO_lo ?
08:58.07Marajinheh
08:58.13Marajinsorry it means er.. 'how are things?'
09:20.19BabelO_Marajin: ok, good expression to learn :)
09:20.35BabelO_Marajin: good, still fighting with mathematics
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09:34.35MarajinBabelO_: Maths is easy when you figure out how to kick it in the soft spots ;)
09:42.33BabelO_Marajin: that's ok, but i have some filter issue . Doing two thing at same time, a sound DSP software and a patch for GT to detect line and symbol on picture
09:47.18MarajinBabelO_: On a monday morning too? masochist!
09:54.44BabelO_Marajin: no i m at office :) doing same thing but work related, less funny
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10:53.27MarajinBabelO_: Work, ugh, such a terrible concept
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11:43.08MnemonicPunkHello. =) Anyone here already tried Ubuntu for their HTC?
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12:05.52BabelO_MnemonicPunk: Unbuntu is bad, it is like a Mac computer
12:07.55MnemonicPunklol
12:08.05MnemonicPunkYes it is. I still like it. xD
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12:09.11kiozenreminds me at the last user showing me his ubuntu laptop, telling me qlandkarte is not working for him.
12:09.37kiozenmy first question "Where is the console?" upset him totaly
12:09.59kiozendespite the fact that nothing was wrong and the app worked :P
12:10.37BabelO_kiozen: yes i ve installed a virtualbox unbuntu to be able to help a friend... and same won't be able to find the konsole, and not only that
12:11.33BabelO_kiozen: i need to use a "pick color" pointer on the map
12:11.44kiozenBabelO_: we need a gui app to trace debug output on ubuntu :)
12:11.49MnemonicPunkI use Arch for my everyday needs and Ubuntu for the cases where I just can't get it to work on Arch.
12:12.50kiozenBabelO_: you mean to select grid color?
12:13.37BabelO_kiozen: yes should be easier and faster way, i can detect it automatically if i look for each color. But not sure all map is like that
12:14.48kiozenBabelO_: try to reduce the map to 300dpi via gimp and check if problem persists
12:15.10BabelO_kiozen: any idea how can i detect repeat on a diagram ? it is to detect the projection
12:15.45BabelO_kiozen: it is not a dpi problem, i can resample the picture myself
12:15.52kiozenBabelO_: the only algo I know for that is crosscorrelation
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12:16.23kiozenwaves back
12:17.13BabelO_kiozen: ok i see :)
12:17.33kiozenBabelO_: in your case correlation with a diraccomb might work ,too
12:18.18kiozenBabelO_: but you would need to know the grid spacing for that :/
12:18.55BabelO_kiozen: hmm so no need of crosscorelation if i now grid spacing, i can filter it like that
12:19.26BabelO_kiozen: btw i filter the projection per angle, what is the maximum deviation we can get ?
12:19.31kiozenBabelO_: yes somehow a henn/egg problem
12:20.08kiozenBabelO_: good question,...
12:20.28BabelO_kiozen: for alaska for example :) maybe cr2 know about that
12:22.08kiozenBabelO_: depends a bit on the used projection (UTM, Gauss Krüger, Lambert)
12:22.33BabelO_kiozen: oh yes lambert is bad, i know, lot of calcul
12:23.19kiozenBabelO_: for UTM it is cartesian, if the map uses trasnversal mercator, too
12:23.39kiozenBabelO_: however most maps a mercator, thus the UTM grid has some angle
12:40.40SmallR2002(time lapse) ew, ubuntu
12:41.11SmallR2002the distro for people with command line phobia
12:41.46SmallR2002anyway, moving swiftly on
12:42.09MnemonicPunklol SmallR2002
12:42.28SmallR2002(also very brown, anyone want to explain that?)
12:43.38kiozenstuck your head into the toilet after sh...ing?
12:44.30SmallR2002never, that sounds like a very cheap version of gelling
12:46.41SmallR2002every time the bank sends me a pin number it seems they're trying to make it harder to read by thieves
12:46.54SmallR2002problem is that i'm starting to have issues reading it
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14:14.13MarajinBabelO_: hmm, all that moaning about no console earlier on ubuntu... never use ubuntu but kubuntu definitely has an easily accessible console
14:15.28kiozenMarajin: sure but the average ubuntu user does not know how to activate it ;) now icon on desktop, you know...
14:16.15MarajinOh? on Ubuntu I got as far as the word 'Gnome' and went 'NOPE! not for me that then'
14:16.25MarajinI'm sorry but I just cannot stand gnome/gtk
14:16.30Marajinthey get right on my nerves
14:17.36kiozenlol, never tried gnome, but gtk. that was bad.
14:43.05BabelO_Marajin: same here last time i try to do some code in gtk, that was really bad :(
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16:21.24Millowanyone heard anything about Android and HTC Diamond?
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16:23.13webPragmatistno
16:23.20webPragmatistwhats android?
16:24.17SanMehatlol
16:28.06cr2lol
16:28.31cr2Kevin2: Diamond has this string -> Trying to detect machine (Plat='PocketPC' OEM='HTC Touch Diamond P3700')
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16:29.22dwaradzynwebPragmatist: LOL
16:29.36webPragmatistwhat the hell
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16:44.44ALoGeNohey MnemonicPunk :D
16:45.10ALoGeNocan you give me a hand with 900c?
16:45.40ALoGeNotmzt_: was say to me that you can give mi initrd :)
16:45.41MnemonicPunkHello ALoGeNo ^^
16:45.49ALoGeNome*
16:45.52MnemonicPunkYeah sure.
16:46.02ALoGeNoomg O_O
16:46.03ALoGeNo:D
16:46.42ALoGeNowhat kind kernel are you using please?
16:46.55MnemonicPunkhh20
16:47.01cr2SanMehat: will the G1 kernel source be published before 22oct ? if not, i'll try to adapt the halibut code ...
16:47.16ALoGeNoi think that i must open ports for dcc hehe
16:47.35ALoGeNocan you put it on 4shared or something please?
16:47.57ALoGeNohh20 but that is for universal no?
16:48.00ALoGeNohi cr2
16:48.02MnemonicPunkRapidshare fine with you?
16:48.08ALoGeNoteah sure
16:48.11ALoGeNoyeah*
16:48.14MnemonicPunkYes, it should work for the universal.
16:48.24MnemonicPunkBut there's no kernel included in the image. ;)
16:48.55ALoGeNookey how run your wifi its ok? i have some acx faults.. works but fault somethimes
16:49.05ALoGeNonice :)
16:49.16ALoGeNooh, no kernel heh..
16:49.56MnemonicPunkI can send you that as well but I don't have a Universal.
16:50.01MnemonicPunkIt's for Magician. xD
16:50.03ALoGeNoi have my own kernel.., i have download git repo from handhelds and compile it.
16:50.38MnemonicPunkAlright. =)
16:50.48ALoGeNowell, in any case your initrd is much apreciated :)
16:53.32SanMehatcr2: We're still cleaning up.. i'll try to get an updated timeline
16:58.37cr2SanMehat: thanks. i still need to document and write the whole LCD init ;)
17:02.59SanMehatcr2: Once we get the trout support out, I'm sure it will make more sense
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17:24.23excoopinions on waiting for a touch dream or buying a touch cruise now?
17:24.52MnemonicPunkThe dream is probably better suited for Linux, I guess.
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17:26.02excocould I easily run OM on a dream?
17:26.26excoMnemonicPunk: I read in the logs that you're working on a Magician
17:26.32MnemonicPunkYes.
17:26.33MnemonicPunko.o
17:26.37MnemonicPunk@exco
17:26.37excohow's that going
17:27.02MnemonicPunkGot a working kernel and initrd so far, booting images from SD works as well.
17:27.19excohmm... (isn't that old news :-) )
17:27.25MnemonicPunkOnly problem is the touchscreen support, that is still a bit... dare I say touchy? xD
17:27.47excoph5 got that running like 2 years ago
17:27.58MnemonicPunkI didn't actually code anything for Magician, if that's what you mean. I'm only trying to see what works and what doesn't.
17:28.19MnemonicPunkYou see... the Magician is the first phone I ever tried to run Linux on and that first try was about 3 days ago. xDD
17:28.27MnemonicPunkSo don't expect anything big yet. ^^
17:28.28excoI could pretty much tell you ... I was doing that a few months ago
17:29.01MnemonicPunkBut since I won't change my phone in a while, I guess I'll be able to make some more useful stuff.
17:29.37excoyou can take ph5's image and have a "working" OM from dec 07
17:29.54excowith "working" dialer
17:30.28excolast I heard he was working on an FSO image, but hasn't appeared here since July
17:31.13excowhat's your problem with the touchscreen?
17:31.48MnemonicPunkWrong calibration I think.
17:32.07excohow about ts_calibrate?
17:32.09MnemonicPunkBut I found the pointercal data already, just didn't build anything with it.
17:33.03excoare you using OpenMoko?
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17:39.23excoI guess you already know http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician
17:44.09MnemonicPunkI do. ^^
17:44.26MnemonicPunkMy PC is busy building an initial OE image right now, though. o.o
17:45.06MnemonicPunkI tried different distros already.
17:45.26MnemonicPunkUbuntu runs fine (in a desktop software way, didn't try any phone stuff with it), same for Debian.
17:45.43MnemonicPunkgoxboxlives older Openmoko image works fine, same for Qtopia.
17:48.16excothe OE image should work if ph5 fixed the ts init
17:48.53excosince nobody is working on the userspace there won't be a working dialer or the like
17:50.33MnemonicPunkI'd give it a try, I just don't think I'm good enough to code something lowlevel.
17:51.16excowell I really would - but I lack the knowledge
17:51.40excoFrom what I read you're way above what I can do with linux
17:52.09excowell if you work on it I can test and provide feedback
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17:57.23MnemonicPunkSounds good. =)
17:57.41MnemonicPunkI'll make sure to forward any images that seem to work for me.
17:57.50MnemonicPunkYou're using a Magician, too?
17:58.12excoyes
18:00.07excounfortunately there doesn't seem to be much interest in the Magician in general anymore - let alone Linux on Magician
18:00.11MnemonicPunkAlright, wait a second.
18:00.26MnemonicPunkYou got a working kernel for yours?
18:00.31excoyes
18:00.34tmzt_MnemonicPunk: Have you been able to post initfs.img anywhere?
18:00.46MnemonicPunkI have no idea where to post it.
18:01.09excoyou mean host it?
18:01.10MnemonicPunkHere's the RS link to it: http://rapidshare.de/files/40577625/initfs.gz.html
18:01.37excoI can provide you with webspace
18:01.51MnemonicPunkexco: So you're able to boot Linux already, right?
18:01.55excoyes
18:02.00MnemonicPunkGood. =)
18:02.29excobut I only tried building OE once.
18:02.49MnemonicPunkI'm right in the middle of doiing that, really takes some time. o.o
18:02.56MnemonicPunk-i
18:03.17excodo you use ICQ?
18:03.26MnemonicPunkBut I built an Ubuntu image and a Debian image by hand and those worked great. Of course there were no phone apps included, though.
18:03.57excohaven't heard of anyone trying that before
18:04.05tmzt_MnemonicPunk: if you get debian working, there are fso packages and repo for it
18:04.27excohow about the Ubuntu MID?
18:04.32MnemonicPunkCool, tmzt. =) Didn't know that yet, I will look into it later.
18:05.02excohttp://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
18:05.27MnemonicPunkDidn't try Ubuntu Mobile because I didn't see a release anywhere but zubuntu does the job for my testing anyway.
18:07.13tmzt_deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
18:07.31MnemonicPunkexco: http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/static.php?page=ZaurusUbuntu It's for Zaurus but if you follow the instructions to build a qemu image, you can make it bootable on your device as well. Just install gdm, add autologin (so you don't have to type a username and pw) and run it. =)
18:07.43tmzt_deb http://http.XX.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib
18:07.47excobtw can we also run Android on Magician ?
18:09.03MnemonicPunkIf Android doesn't require 3D hardware acceleration, I think it should work on the magician. Tried it only once yet and it failed to boot (different boot structure) but I think it's possible.
18:09.34MnemonicPunktmzt_: Do those work with Debian only or Ubuntu too?
18:10.31tmzt_they need debian experimental, and maybe only armel, I don't know what ubuntu derived repos you are using
18:10.54MnemonicPunkI'm using Frisky something.
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18:11.16MnemonicPunkForget the second, but it's 7.04 judging from the name.
18:11.55tmzt_so you probably need the deb experimental line anyway, to get newer packages for englightenment stuff at least
18:12.02MnemonicPunkI'd prefer Debian though, just to make it lighter on the hadware.
18:12.04MnemonicPunk+
18:12.05MnemonicPunkr
18:12.09tmzt_you also don't really want to run gdm
18:12.37MnemonicPunkThat was a quick solution to make it login automatically. ^^
18:12.38tmzt_if you don't want to run as root, ask in #openmoko-debian about rungetty
18:13.30tmzt_if you install zhone, it will give zhone-session, which should start X for you
18:14.09MnemonicPunkI was considering matchbox, don't know anything about zhone besides the name though.
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18:16.04MnemonicPunkHeh, straight from the Openmoko wiki: "  TODO: What is zhone, can anyone explain, and write something here? (See: To-Do List)"
18:16.43exco:-)
18:17.15kiozenBabelO: around?
18:17.16tmzt_look for DebianOnFreerunner
18:17.44tmzt_zhone is the phone application in python
18:17.58tmzt_zhone-session is a script that lauches X and then zhone
18:18.22tmzt_the window manager is supposed to be illume, but that is not in debian yet?
18:18.49MnemonicPunkNo idea. =( I only used xfce and matchbox so far.
18:19.29MnemonicPunkProblem with Ubuntu (at least for me) was that it had no xserver-xorg-input-tslib package.
18:19.51MnemonicPunkCould I use the Debian one there?
18:20.15tmzt_the problem really is, you don't want xorg, you want xserver-xfbdev
18:20.23tmzt_are you using arm or armel ?
18:20.28MnemonicPunkarmel
18:20.37tmzt_it's not packaged yet
18:20.47MnemonicPunkI didn't stray too far from any tutorials yet. ^^
18:20.58MnemonicPunkFor Debian it exists.
18:21.05MnemonicPunkFor xorg.
18:21.32tmzt_xserver-xfbdev has the tslib builtin, and it runs in alot less memory and faster
18:21.45MnemonicPunkOkay, I'll keep that in mind.
18:21.51MnemonicPunkxorg was really kinda slow.
18:21.53tmzt_if you want to use that, use xserver-xorg from debian as well
18:22.28cr2kiozen: what about mmutrace ?
18:22.53kiozencr2: just have to test fixes in GT, then we can do...
18:22.57MnemonicPunkThe Ubuntu image had to use swap right after boot and I don't think I want it to have swap at all. >_>
18:24.42tmzt_how are you installing ubuntu/debian on magician ?
18:25.13MnemonicPunkI use qemu to build a working system and then move it to a partition on my SD. o.o
18:25.28cr2kiozen: ok
18:26.01tmzt_so you use an initrd with qemu, or debian-installer image from the archives?
18:26.14tmzt_versatilepb ?
18:26.27MnemonicPunkYes, versatilepb and the debian-installer image.
18:26.54tmzt_do you do the install through d-i or with debootstrap from the bash prompt?
18:26.59MnemonicPunkBut I also tried with debootstrap, also works fine.
18:27.00kiozencr2:  done, what's on the stack?
18:27.41MnemonicPunkI tried it two ways: Using the debian-installer and installing straight from the server but I also used debootstrap.
18:28.21cr2kiozen: pick haret-0.5.2, the annoying cpld messages are fixed now.
18:28.32MnemonicPunk(Did 4 installs of Debian so far. ^^ In one I messed up the image by accident, the other fell victim to a mistyped rm xD)
18:30.34tmzt_MnemonicPunk: for --arch you use armel ?
18:30.47MnemonicPunkYep.
18:31.17MnemonicPunkI used the manual debian tutorial from the openmoko wiki, just adjusted the device-specific stuff.
18:33.10kiozencr2: http://pastebin.no/42572
18:33.16kiozencr2:  looks diffrent :)
18:33.32kiozencr2: switched to suspend, and then resume
18:35.08cr2kiozen: did you update the .py ? there should be no cpld traces
18:35.34kiozencr2: darn, no, moment...
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18:38.52kiozencr2: http://pastebin.no/42577
18:39.21kiozencr2: arrrg, no, wrong trace :/
18:40.35kiozencr2: no right one. sorry for the confusion, have to wake up and switch on brain
18:43.08cr2hmm. there are no writes to the first megabytes. ok...
18:44.05cr2kiozen: can you check 'dump mmu 2 0x0' and 'dump mmu 2 0x10000000'
18:45.09kiozencr2: http://pastebin.no/42582
18:53.06cr2kiozen: sorry, it's me who needs to enable the brain.
18:53.16cr20x10000000 is the cpld
18:53.44cr2mmutrace the 0xa0100000 and 0xa0000000
18:53.46kiozenlet's just pretend it was a long day  ;)
18:57.04kiozencr2: that was kind of unhealthy http://pastebin.no/42591
18:57.14kiozencr2: device could not resume
18:59.54kiozenthose "overlowed x traces" does not look right
19:09.44kiozenBabelO: I know someone is testing your artemis image :)
19:10.14kiozenBabelO: he is saying qtopia is slow. any reason for this?
19:10.16BabelOkiozen: who ? someone you know, or a GT devel ?
19:10.28kiozenBabelO: geocacher
19:10.28BabelOuh ? slow ?
19:10.40kiozenyes slow, compared to wince
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19:10.58kiozenI told him to contact you :)
19:11.47BabelOkiozen: maybe on first start it is slow due to indeing, it take some time, but after it should be faster
19:11.49BabelOok
19:11.49BabelOkiozen: french ?
19:11.50cr2kiozen: addr2mod 0x03f7c068
19:11.57kiozenBabelO: no german
19:12.15BabelOok
19:12.44cr2kiozen: the zero page is mapped too, that's not good.
19:13.52kiozenHaRET(1)# addr2mod 0x03f7c068
19:13.52kiozenAddress 03f7c068 not process specific
19:13.52kiozen<PROTECTED>
19:14.02kiozencr2: that's what you need?
19:15.32cr2ok.
19:15.36cr225304
19:15.52cr2no the trace itself looks good
19:16.48cr2need to check the kernel source
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19:18.59cr2kiozen: can you mmutrace only the 0xa0025304 address ?
19:19.03cr2pd it first.
19:19.14kiozenpd?
19:19.22cr2pd 0xa0025304 4
19:22.16kiozencr2: http://pastebin.no/42608
19:22.21kiozencr2: no resume
19:24.13cr2addlist mmutrace  p2v(0xa0025000) 0x1000
19:26.33kiozencr2: http://pastebin.no/42612
19:27.47cr2hmm. too much
19:28.00cr2addlist mmutrace  p2v(0xa0025100) 0x1000
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19:30.17kiozencr2: http://pastebin.no/42615
19:33.59kiozenBabelO: seen new qt logo?
19:34.19cr2kiozen: ok, so it's only ldr
19:34.28BabelOkiozen: i saw yesturday new qtopia -> Qt extented spec, but that's all
19:36.00BabelOkiozen: http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/reference-designs/touchscreen-mobile-phone ?
19:37.54kiozenBabelO: that's the freerunner, isn't it?
19:37.54cr2lsr2== /4
19:38.12BabelOkiozen: yes but look at the whitepapaer on the right
19:39.09cr2kiozen: it's moko1
19:39.29cr2Chipset  Samsung S3C2410 | Modem : TI Calypso
19:40.09cr2the horizontal bar at the top wastes screenspace even on this vga screen.
19:40.20cr2think of 240x240 ;)
19:41.00kiozenis it waterproof?
19:41.06cr2no
19:41.10cr2Wi-Fi supported by Qt Extended’s IP Comms module.
19:41.10cr2GPS supported by Qt Extended’s Location module
19:41.18cr2BabelO: is it true ??
19:41.51cr2<PROTECTED>
19:42.02BabelOcr2: yes it i s true for gps with 4.4
19:42.26cr2is 4.4 out ?
19:42.44BabelOcr2: wifi was already supported in 4.3 but i hope they add a better user side support :)
19:42.44BabelOlpotter: is that ok ?
19:43.07kiozenanyone know the price, and battery live withous phone?
19:43.14cr2lol, now i'd like to see qtopia on G1 :)
19:43.35cr2kiozen: $400 afair
19:43.46kiozenpheeew!
19:43.51cr2battery life...
19:44.08cr2there are some hw phone-related bugs afair.
19:44.17cr2it's better to ask at #openmoko
19:44.22kiozendon't need the phone :)
19:44.51kiozenhave to try that wince stuff  on eday
19:45.50cr2ULDR checksum is not that difficult.
19:45.53cr2eday ?
19:47.03lpotterIP Comms are only telepathy stuff
19:47.27BabelOlpotter: you copy me :)
19:47.36BabelOlpotter: so now your voip stack can be back
19:47.53lpotterthats what I am current;y working on, ya
19:47.56lpotter:)
19:48.22BabelOlpotter: sofia sip ? got this one working with my imlife app on ba :)
19:48.49cr2lpotter: working on qtopia for g1, eh ? :)
19:50.21lpotterg1?
19:50.35BabelOlpotter: google phone aka HTC dream :)
19:50.37cr2kiozen: i'm looking at resuming linux as running the firmware updater
19:50.43lpotterahh. heh
19:50.48cr2LOL
19:52.21kiozencr2: sounds scary :)
19:54.17cr2ipl flasher is done this way too
19:54.38cr2hehe. they calculate the checksum, and drop the result
19:54.53cr2then check the CECE in header
19:55.26cr2if yes, then jump there.
19:57.34kiozeni know that from modem links :)
19:58.59cr2hehe.
19:59.10cr2ULDR has its own partition ??
19:59.21cr2then linux _is_ ULDR :D
20:01.18cr22^9=512 ?
20:01.24cr2blocksiz
20:02.37cr2"sectors"
20:06.11cr2if +0x253a4 == 0x52444c55
20:06.32cr2looks familiar
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20:07.36cr2flag for "RAM update mode"
20:08.40cr2+0x25318 == 0x20525555
20:09.55cr2" RUU" ?
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20:16.12BabelOcr2: your friend Java is still here  -> http://trolltech.com/products i think they have a Java architect :)
20:18.58cr2yeah. create once, debug everywhere :)
20:19.20cr2qtopia page says "deploy everywhere"
20:19.52MnemonicPunkThat's carefully worded.
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20:20.12MnemonicPunkYou can probably really deploy it everywhere. It just may not run.
20:22.12szsoftwarehi guys!
20:23.20BabelOhi szsoftware
20:23.33wasupwhen was the last time anyone saw ginge?
20:24.02szsoftwareI don't know, whether thisis the right place for my problem
20:24.45BabelO~seen ginge
20:24.47aptginge <n=baz@78-105-175-81.zone3.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 5d 20h 24m 55s ago, saying: 'not yet. locks up shortly after init'.
20:24.52wasupszsoftware... whats your problem?
20:24.52BabelOszsoftware: you can ask
20:25.07wasup~seen ali1234
20:25.08aptali1234 <n=al@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 5d 1h 52m 38s ago, saying: 'if you get hangs, best to try it a few times just in case'.
20:25.27wasupwtf? they are both offline for the past 5 days???
20:25.35wasupthanks babel0
20:25.40wasupO*
20:25.48szsoftwareI'm looking for a girlfriend who like geeks, like this guy: ginge  rofl my gf wrote a blog entry http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/?q=node/114
20:25.52szsoftware:-)
20:26.19szsoftwareJoke, I'mupto date with this chat, read logs every day
20:26.37szsoftwarebtw. this medion keyboard sucks
20:27.14wasuplmao...thats great
20:27.18MnemonicPunkHeh.
20:27.25wasuphahaha
20:27.34MnemonicPunk<< Laptop Keyboard >_>
20:28.23szsoftwarenice, in the same time when I set up my choke whith ginges gf in mind, wasup aked for his appearence
20:28.56szsoftwares/aked/asked
20:30.28szsoftwareOh, now I know why I want to be active in this chat today. Just for the log, flashed O2 german WM 6.1 ROM and haret loads Android 10/10 times
20:31.46szsoftwaredcordes: can you please mention this success in your README.txt, so users don't need cooked ROMs. Thanks in advance
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20:35.40szsoftwareHey guys, does someone know whether mtd-tools (or similar) actually work on linux with Polaris or Kaiser?
20:36.18szsoftwareHave we access to the rom, for backups of the rom while we are in linux?
20:36.46szsoftwaredcordes: I forget to say that my device is polaris.
20:38.33szsoftwaredzo: Hi dzo. May I direct my last question directly to you?
20:41.31cr2szsoftware: there is msm NAND driver, but it seems nobody checked if it works
20:42.12cr2kiozen: i have documented even more SPL parts, but still don't understand why it does not do 'warm' boot
20:42.17szsoftwarecr2: ok, if it works, will mtd-tools work with that?
20:43.09cr2kiozen: cold boot is splitted into loading "OS" and "ULDR" off the mdoc partitions, and the switch is easy
20:43.30cr2szsoftware: i think so. but i don't know the details, try it yourself.
20:43.40szsoftwarecr2: Okthanks
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20:45.04cr2nice function here
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20:45.47BabelOcr2: where ? something like that ? if (1==0)  1==1;
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20:46.47cr2BabelO: no, i have two functions:
20:47.08cr2bitmess_here_r0_r1_r2 and realbitmess_here_r0_r1_r2
20:47.30cr2i think realbitmess reads from mdoc ;-)
20:47.55BabelOLOL
20:48.05MnemonicPunkBitmess? o.O
20:48.07BabelOcr2: something that swetland can write :)
20:48.18MnemonicPunkDo I want to ask what that is for?
20:49.46cr2MnemonicPunk: resume on n560. is a real mess.
20:50.02MnemonicPunklol okay
20:50.06cr2you don't even want to know what is going on there ;)
20:50.26MnemonicPunkI wouldn't understand it yet, either. xD
20:50.26cr2it's extremely complicated for no good reason.
20:50.43cr2there is no such other wince device anymore known to man.
20:51.23BabelOswetland, SanMehat do you do some more omap850 devel on htc board ?
20:52.00kiozencr2: the best of german and japaneese engineering :P
20:52.25kiozendidn't they splitt up lately?
20:52.41MnemonicPunk"german engineering" reminds me of that BMW "pimp my ride" ad. ^^
20:52.51MnemonicPunkEr
20:52.53MnemonicPunkVW
20:52.55MnemonicPunklol
20:54.19cr2but they support dual boot. in a funny way though
20:54.51MnemonicPunkWhat does that mean?
20:55.01cr2zImage with CECE header will be fun.
20:55.33swetlandwe have some early prototypes which are omap850 based, but have not been doing work on shipping htc omap based devices
20:56.13cr2swetland: they were too slow ?
20:56.52BabelOcr2: don't think
20:57.06BabelOcr2: i was able to start android on artemis last month
20:57.21BabelObut never patch ts so can't try, only play with keys
20:57.34GPFerrorfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
20:57.47cr2BabelO: you have qvga on arte
20:57.54BabelOswetland: sound on omap is really hard
20:58.03BabelOcr2: yes :) and i start it on BA too
20:58.10GPFerrorfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
20:58.26cr2BabelO: vga will be as painful as on moko1
20:58.35GPFerrorfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
20:58.44excoso you got a stuck f key for birthday... what else?
21:00.38MnemonicPunkThat many f's are usually a sign of a bricked or broken device. xD
21:00.52cr2RCSR bits...
21:01.39GPFerrornah fell asleep at the keyboard sorry, chat client beeping woke me up, on the most boring conference call ever
21:06.15cr2writing 0xa1a2b3c4d to magic places must be fun.
21:10.20cr2awk '{printf("%8.8x\n",0xb0000004-0x07100000)}'
21:10.26cr2heh
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21:15.42wasupso if i could get information to anyone.... could anyone try getting the titan keyboard working?
21:16.22zdooderwasup: I'm interested in getting it working too... been looking at code but not sure where to start myself.
21:16.35wasupwell haret console...
21:16.53wasupand the irql reading or gpios i think
21:16.53zdooderYeah got that... not entirely sure how to read what comes out of it though :)
21:17.25wasuphmmm...
21:17.26wasupidk
21:17.54wasupanyone know how to read GPIOS data and make it work???
21:18.08wasupi take that as a no...lmao
21:18.33wasuphmm...there is no place on the web that gives info on that zdooder?
21:22.36wasupzdooder: maybe something like this? http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/22/drivers/input/keyboard/gpio_keys.c
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21:26.40zdooderI think people might be busy, I'm sure some here do know... :)
21:44.42wasuphmm... im trying to get everything working on my mac
21:44.56wasuplike the arm toolchain and stuff
21:45.20wasupi wish i knew a little more about all the compiling and stuff
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21:58.25zdooderwasup: I was told that the Kaiser keyboard code was probably a good starting point...
21:58.50wasupyeah?
21:59.07wasupi am installing the latest kernel.git on my mac right now.
21:59.20wasupso hopefully i should be a little more useful
21:59.23wasup:)
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22:04.36cr2kiozen: a lot of combinations there, so i gave up for now.
22:09.38wasupcr2: do you know everything i000451391 11844
22:09.53wasupdisregard that
22:09.55wasupnvm
22:26.04szsoftwareping <someone>
22:26.10MnemonicPunkpong
22:26.15szsoftwareAh
22:26.32szsoftwareIs a polaris dev/user/tester here?
22:26.40wasupanyone know how to go about compiling a kernal
22:26.41wasup?
22:26.43wasupon mac?
22:26.57MnemonicPunkDon't know for mac. =(
22:27.25wasupwell what is the normal command
22:27.27wasup?
22:27.27szsoftwarewasup: sorry no, and most mac-users would ask: what's a kernel?
22:27.29wasupon linux?
22:27.32MnemonicPunkBut there should be OE for macs as well, right?
22:27.47szsoftwarewasup: it's like that ubuntu discussion, I think ;-)
22:27.51wasupi'm installing mac developer tools on my machine right now
22:27.58szsoftwarewasup: or worse
22:28.07MnemonicPunkwasup: You have to install a toolchain (e.g. arm-none-eabi) and get the kernel sources.
22:28.49wasupi already did
22:28.53wasuparm toolchain for mac
22:29.05wasupand i already downloaded the .git
22:29.15zdooderwasup: You have to configure the kernel, something like make <configname> ARCH=<architecture>
22:29.17wasupfor android
22:29.33MnemonicPunkwasup: Then you type "make DEVICENAME_defconfig" to apply a configuration.
22:29.45MnemonicPunkWait.
22:29.47MnemonicPunko.O
22:29.54MnemonicPunkSorry, I'm confused. xD
22:30.04MnemonicPunk(Painkillers don't only kill pain. >_>)
22:30.07zdooderAre you trying to do a kernel for the titan wasup?
22:30.21wasupsii (yes)
22:30.23wasuphahaha
22:31.08zdooderI build mine (although I haven't tested it yet) by using the .config file at http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ (at the bottom of the page)
22:31.56wasuphow do you test to see if it works?
22:32.07zdooderI then just did "make zImage ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi-" ... the CROSS_COMPILE thing is a prefix of the arm toolchain, I believe.
22:32.31NetRippercorrect
22:32.32MnemonicPunkYou don't have to make it that complicated. o.O
22:32.39zdooderwasup: I'm assuming if I put it on the titan (on the SD card), I could boot it with Haret and it would work...
22:32.53zdooderJust that I haven't actually made any changes yet so there's really nothing to test.
22:32.54wasupgive it to me... i'll try it
22:32.57MnemonicPunkmake CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-eabi-
22:32.58MnemonicPunkThat did the job for me.
22:33.25wasuphmm... so we can make changes in the keyboard.c file?? and then compile it?
22:33.28cr2SanMehat: i guess 0x150000 is GPIO read on the mddi_bridge. it is used for the panel type detection on raphael/diamond.
22:34.07NetRipperMnemonicPunk, the ARCH can be really important... if you do 'make menuconfig' or 'make menuconfig ARCH=arm' you'll get two different menuconfigs
22:34.10NetRipper;)
22:34.18NetRipperi had to build with ARCH= in the cmd line
22:34.53MnemonicPunkNetRipper: Thanks for correcting me then. =) Didn't know that.
22:35.25NetRipper(at least on the android git kernel)
22:35.26NetRipper:p
22:35.42MnemonicPunkMeh. Android. xD
22:36.06MnemonicPunkDid you ever notice that Google are indeed like the Borg?
22:36.13cr2NetRipper: started with the LCD docs ;)
22:36.18NetRippercr2, sweet
22:36.28NetRippercr2, you document it on wiki?
22:36.39cr2NetRipper: can you checkout and compile the latest halibut kernel ?
22:36.42cr2NetRipper: yes.
22:37.22NetRippersure i can
22:38.20NetRippercr2, there are no changes in android git
22:39.00NetRipperthe zImage on my site is still the latest compiled for-rmk branch
22:39.25cr2not-rmk, compile android-msm
22:39.40NetRipperthat's not been updated in 3 weeks
22:39.51NetRipperthe 2.6.25 one
22:41.59cr2ok
22:44.05NetRippercompiling
22:45.39NetRipperhm it has some specific msm7x00a stuff
22:46.06wasupDZO updated the last one on git.android.com like 4 days ago
22:46.40NetRipper6 days
22:47.07NetRipperunless the 'last change' is lying
22:48.19wasupoh... i thought it said 4...
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23:03.07NetRippercr2, http://www.netripper.nl/raphael/zImage-msm-android-no-eabi
23:03.53NetRippercr2, and missing eabi should just be a performance hit, nothing serious
23:05.53cr2NetRipper: dare to boot ?
23:08.00wasupanyone know....does the kaiser keyboard work perfect?
23:08.13NetRippercr2, you afraid your device will smoke? ;)
23:08.18cr2NetRipper: but you may screw the LCD setup.
23:08.55NetRipperwhat do you mean?
23:09.00NetRipperpermanently?
23:09.06cr2NetRipper: the toshiba chip setup is a joke in the android kernel. i'm mostly done with the register list, will commit it into wiki RSN.
23:09.17cr2i doubt it, but you may try ;)
23:09.35NetRipperdon't like the sound of that
23:09.36NetRipperbut hey
23:09.39NetRipperwhat's life without riscs
23:09.46cr2warranty ?
23:09.58NetRippermaybe i should remove hardspl first then (A)
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23:13.01NetRippercr2 , still hang @ go go go
23:13.30NetRipperor erm
23:13.35NetRipperactuall
23:13.44NetRipperi heard gsm noises through my speakers
23:13.49cr2lol
23:14.24NetRipperso who knows, it might just boot without framebuffer working ;)
23:14.36cr2when arm11 wince died, arm9 told the big brother: linux hackerz at work :)
23:14.55silvenlol
23:15.01cr2maybe
23:16.02NetRipperdoesn't kaiser have an initrd that boots up to the point you can put usb in and telnet to the device?
23:16.23NetRipperangstrom does that i think
23:16.42cr2we used it on hermes
23:17.04NetRipperyea but i doubt i can use angstrom compiled for hermes on raph
23:17.12NetRipperdue to processor specific optimizations
23:17.29cr2imho it's realistic that linux runs, but lcd is fscked
23:17.47cr2NetRipper: add flashlight_gpio_on to board setup.
23:18.02cr2then you will know if this code is reached.
23:18.22cr2it's probably the only real debug opportunity.
23:18.24NetRipperit has support for msm framebuffer
23:18.27NetRipperhehe
23:18.32NetRipperyea i'll check that out tomorrow
23:18.38cr2yes, but not for your hitachi LCD
23:19.36NetRipperframebuffer = framebuffer, isn't it, i mean, haret's framebuffer works as well... it just misses the signal to update the screen
23:19.44NetRipperperhaps a vital signal
23:20.08NetRipperbut i'd think that'd be in the msm framebuffer code
23:20.29NetRipperthe LCD driver would be to init and turn on the LCD, but once on, it should work, i'd think
23:20.34NetRipperperhaps im naive :p
23:21.20NetRipperanyway, good night, and i'll try hacking something tomorrow
23:22.44cr2good night
23:22.45NetRippercr2, and there really is something odd with booting from 0x1*... i can't really confirm it, but when i attempt to boot with ramaddr 0x1*, and windows restarts, there's always something odd like a service that has trouble starting or a program (device.exe or cprog.exe) that crashes and wants to send a report
23:22.53NetRipperi don't have that when is et ramaddr 0x2*
23:23.02NetRippers/is et/i set/
23:23.36cr20x1* may have some wince kernel status data stored
23:23.58silvenHas anyone tried running 2.6.26 on an arm based phone? I have an existing codebase on 2,6,25 and am thinking about pulling it up to mainline.
23:24.51NetRippercr2, well ok, just an observation though
23:24.53NetRippergood night, again :p
23:25.09szsoftwareNetripper: GoodNight
23:25.19szsoftwarefor me too.
23:25.26szsoftwareAhm, and guys...
23:25.28cr2silven: omap ?
23:25.29wasupgood night
23:25.41wasupto you both.
23:25.43wasup:)
23:26.17szsoftwaretomorrow I want to see working bluetooth, usb, xfbdev, gps, nand, etc...
23:26.22szsoftware:-)
23:26.41silven.cr2: omap8tp!03_8#8_~))6,................................
23:26.44silven~~%
23:26.48silvenaah
23:26.53szsoftwareoh, on which devices? All htc :-)
23:26.56silvenomap850
23:27.12silvensorry, on the phone and the kbd freaked out :)
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23:32.16silvenis there an official omap maintainer?
23:33.55cr2you may ask on linux-arm ML
23:34.32silvenbeautiful idea. anyone still use news/usenet?
23:40.08cr2i've used it long ago. > 10 years maybe ?
23:41.42cr2SanMehat, swetland : if MDDI is really an open VESA standard, it will be interesting to give names to the '?' here -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMDDI
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