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06:44.59 | tester3 | re |
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07:10.45 | Marajin | yo |
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08:30.25 | BabelO_ | morning |
08:39.47 | Marajin | hey BabelO_ |
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08:40.02 | Marajin | What's shaking in groove town? |
08:45.00 | BabelO_ | lo ? |
08:58.07 | Marajin | heh |
08:58.13 | Marajin | sorry it means er.. 'how are things?' |
09:20.19 | BabelO_ | Marajin: ok, good expression to learn :) |
09:20.35 | BabelO_ | Marajin: good, still fighting with mathematics |
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09:34.35 | Marajin | BabelO_: Maths is easy when you figure out how to kick it in the soft spots ;) |
09:42.33 | BabelO_ | Marajin: that's ok, but i have some filter issue . Doing two thing at same time, a sound DSP software and a patch for GT to detect line and symbol on picture |
09:47.18 | Marajin | BabelO_: On a monday morning too? masochist! |
09:54.44 | BabelO_ | Marajin: no i m at office :) doing same thing but work related, less funny |
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10:53.27 | Marajin | BabelO_: Work, ugh, such a terrible concept |
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11:43.08 | MnemonicPunk | Hello. =) Anyone here already tried Ubuntu for their HTC? |
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12:05.52 | BabelO_ | MnemonicPunk: Unbuntu is bad, it is like a Mac computer |
12:07.55 | MnemonicPunk | lol |
12:08.05 | MnemonicPunk | Yes it is. I still like it. xD |
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12:09.11 | kiozen | reminds me at the last user showing me his ubuntu laptop, telling me qlandkarte is not working for him. |
12:09.37 | kiozen | my first question "Where is the console?" upset him totaly |
12:09.59 | kiozen | despite the fact that nothing was wrong and the app worked :P |
12:10.37 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes i ve installed a virtualbox unbuntu to be able to help a friend... and same won't be able to find the konsole, and not only that |
12:11.33 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i need to use a "pick color" pointer on the map |
12:11.44 | kiozen | BabelO_: we need a gui app to trace debug output on ubuntu :) |
12:11.49 | MnemonicPunk | I use Arch for my everyday needs and Ubuntu for the cases where I just can't get it to work on Arch. |
12:12.50 | kiozen | BabelO_: you mean to select grid color? |
12:13.37 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes should be easier and faster way, i can detect it automatically if i look for each color. But not sure all map is like that |
12:14.48 | kiozen | BabelO_: try to reduce the map to 300dpi via gimp and check if problem persists |
12:15.10 | BabelO_ | kiozen: any idea how can i detect repeat on a diagram ? it is to detect the projection |
12:15.45 | BabelO_ | kiozen: it is not a dpi problem, i can resample the picture myself |
12:15.52 | kiozen | BabelO_: the only algo I know for that is crosscorrelation |
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12:16.11 | sadeness | waves. |
12:16.23 | kiozen | waves back |
12:17.13 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok i see :) |
12:17.33 | kiozen | BabelO_: in your case correlation with a diraccomb might work ,too |
12:18.18 | kiozen | BabelO_: but you would need to know the grid spacing for that :/ |
12:18.55 | BabelO_ | kiozen: hmm so no need of crosscorelation if i now grid spacing, i can filter it like that |
12:19.26 | BabelO_ | kiozen: btw i filter the projection per angle, what is the maximum deviation we can get ? |
12:19.31 | kiozen | BabelO_: yes somehow a henn/egg problem |
12:20.08 | kiozen | BabelO_: good question,... |
12:20.28 | BabelO_ | kiozen: for alaska for example :) maybe cr2 know about that |
12:22.08 | kiozen | BabelO_: depends a bit on the used projection (UTM, Gauss Krüger, Lambert) |
12:22.33 | BabelO_ | kiozen: oh yes lambert is bad, i know, lot of calcul |
12:23.19 | kiozen | BabelO_: for UTM it is cartesian, if the map uses trasnversal mercator, too |
12:23.39 | kiozen | BabelO_: however most maps a mercator, thus the UTM grid has some angle |
12:40.40 | SmallR2002 | (time lapse) ew, ubuntu |
12:41.11 | SmallR2002 | the distro for people with command line phobia |
12:41.46 | SmallR2002 | anyway, moving swiftly on |
12:42.09 | MnemonicPunk | lol SmallR2002 |
12:42.28 | SmallR2002 | (also very brown, anyone want to explain that?) |
12:43.38 | kiozen | stuck your head into the toilet after sh...ing? |
12:44.30 | SmallR2002 | never, that sounds like a very cheap version of gelling |
12:46.41 | SmallR2002 | every time the bank sends me a pin number it seems they're trying to make it harder to read by thieves |
12:46.54 | SmallR2002 | problem is that i'm starting to have issues reading it |
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14:14.13 | Marajin | BabelO_: hmm, all that moaning about no console earlier on ubuntu... never use ubuntu but kubuntu definitely has an easily accessible console |
14:15.28 | kiozen | Marajin: sure but the average ubuntu user does not know how to activate it ;) now icon on desktop, you know... |
14:16.15 | Marajin | Oh? on Ubuntu I got as far as the word 'Gnome' and went 'NOPE! not for me that then' |
14:16.25 | Marajin | I'm sorry but I just cannot stand gnome/gtk |
14:16.30 | Marajin | they get right on my nerves |
14:17.36 | kiozen | lol, never tried gnome, but gtk. that was bad. |
14:43.05 | BabelO_ | Marajin: same here last time i try to do some code in gtk, that was really bad :( |
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16:21.24 | Millow | anyone heard anything about Android and HTC Diamond? |
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16:23.13 | webPragmatist | no |
16:23.20 | webPragmatist | whats android? |
16:24.17 | SanMehat | lol |
16:28.06 | cr2 | lol |
16:28.31 | cr2 | Kevin2: Diamond has this string -> Trying to detect machine (Plat='PocketPC' OEM='HTC Touch Diamond P3700') |
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16:29.22 | dwaradzyn | webPragmatist: LOL |
16:29.36 | webPragmatist | what the hell |
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16:44.44 | ALoGeNo | hey MnemonicPunk :D |
16:45.10 | ALoGeNo | can you give me a hand with 900c? |
16:45.40 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_: was say to me that you can give mi initrd :) |
16:45.41 | MnemonicPunk | Hello ALoGeNo ^^ |
16:45.49 | ALoGeNo | me* |
16:45.52 | MnemonicPunk | Yeah sure. |
16:46.02 | ALoGeNo | omg O_O |
16:46.03 | ALoGeNo | :D |
16:46.42 | ALoGeNo | what kind kernel are you using please? |
16:46.55 | MnemonicPunk | hh20 |
16:47.01 | cr2 | SanMehat: will the G1 kernel source be published before 22oct ? if not, i'll try to adapt the halibut code ... |
16:47.16 | ALoGeNo | i think that i must open ports for dcc hehe |
16:47.35 | ALoGeNo | can you put it on 4shared or something please? |
16:47.57 | ALoGeNo | hh20 but that is for universal no? |
16:48.00 | ALoGeNo | hi cr2 |
16:48.02 | MnemonicPunk | Rapidshare fine with you? |
16:48.08 | ALoGeNo | teah sure |
16:48.11 | ALoGeNo | yeah* |
16:48.14 | MnemonicPunk | Yes, it should work for the universal. |
16:48.24 | MnemonicPunk | But there's no kernel included in the image. ;) |
16:48.55 | ALoGeNo | okey how run your wifi its ok? i have some acx faults.. works but fault somethimes |
16:49.05 | ALoGeNo | nice :) |
16:49.16 | ALoGeNo | oh, no kernel heh.. |
16:49.56 | MnemonicPunk | I can send you that as well but I don't have a Universal. |
16:50.01 | MnemonicPunk | It's for Magician. xD |
16:50.03 | ALoGeNo | i have my own kernel.., i have download git repo from handhelds and compile it. |
16:50.38 | MnemonicPunk | Alright. =) |
16:50.48 | ALoGeNo | well, in any case your initrd is much apreciated :) |
16:53.32 | SanMehat | cr2: We're still cleaning up.. i'll try to get an updated timeline |
16:58.37 | cr2 | SanMehat: thanks. i still need to document and write the whole LCD init ;) |
17:02.59 | SanMehat | cr2: Once we get the trout support out, I'm sure it will make more sense |
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17:24.23 | exco | opinions on waiting for a touch dream or buying a touch cruise now? |
17:24.52 | MnemonicPunk | The dream is probably better suited for Linux, I guess. |
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17:26.02 | exco | could I easily run OM on a dream? |
17:26.26 | exco | MnemonicPunk: I read in the logs that you're working on a Magician |
17:26.32 | MnemonicPunk | Yes. |
17:26.33 | MnemonicPunk | o.o |
17:26.37 | MnemonicPunk | @exco |
17:26.37 | exco | how's that going |
17:27.02 | MnemonicPunk | Got a working kernel and initrd so far, booting images from SD works as well. |
17:27.19 | exco | hmm... (isn't that old news :-) ) |
17:27.25 | MnemonicPunk | Only problem is the touchscreen support, that is still a bit... dare I say touchy? xD |
17:27.47 | exco | ph5 got that running like 2 years ago |
17:27.58 | MnemonicPunk | I didn't actually code anything for Magician, if that's what you mean. I'm only trying to see what works and what doesn't. |
17:28.19 | MnemonicPunk | You see... the Magician is the first phone I ever tried to run Linux on and that first try was about 3 days ago. xDD |
17:28.27 | MnemonicPunk | So don't expect anything big yet. ^^ |
17:28.28 | exco | I could pretty much tell you ... I was doing that a few months ago |
17:29.01 | MnemonicPunk | But since I won't change my phone in a while, I guess I'll be able to make some more useful stuff. |
17:29.37 | exco | you can take ph5's image and have a "working" OM from dec 07 |
17:29.54 | exco | with "working" dialer |
17:30.28 | exco | last I heard he was working on an FSO image, but hasn't appeared here since July |
17:31.13 | exco | what's your problem with the touchscreen? |
17:31.48 | MnemonicPunk | Wrong calibration I think. |
17:32.07 | exco | how about ts_calibrate? |
17:32.09 | MnemonicPunk | But I found the pointercal data already, just didn't build anything with it. |
17:33.03 | exco | are you using OpenMoko? |
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17:39.23 | exco | I guess you already know http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician |
17:44.09 | MnemonicPunk | I do. ^^ |
17:44.26 | MnemonicPunk | My PC is busy building an initial OE image right now, though. o.o |
17:45.06 | MnemonicPunk | I tried different distros already. |
17:45.26 | MnemonicPunk | Ubuntu runs fine (in a desktop software way, didn't try any phone stuff with it), same for Debian. |
17:45.43 | MnemonicPunk | goxboxlives older Openmoko image works fine, same for Qtopia. |
17:48.16 | exco | the OE image should work if ph5 fixed the ts init |
17:48.53 | exco | since nobody is working on the userspace there won't be a working dialer or the like |
17:50.33 | MnemonicPunk | I'd give it a try, I just don't think I'm good enough to code something lowlevel. |
17:51.16 | exco | well I really would - but I lack the knowledge |
17:51.40 | exco | From what I read you're way above what I can do with linux |
17:52.09 | exco | well if you work on it I can test and provide feedback |
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17:57.23 | MnemonicPunk | Sounds good. =) |
17:57.41 | MnemonicPunk | I'll make sure to forward any images that seem to work for me. |
17:57.50 | MnemonicPunk | You're using a Magician, too? |
17:58.12 | exco | yes |
18:00.07 | exco | unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much interest in the Magician in general anymore - let alone Linux on Magician |
18:00.11 | MnemonicPunk | Alright, wait a second. |
18:00.26 | MnemonicPunk | You got a working kernel for yours? |
18:00.31 | exco | yes |
18:00.34 | tmzt_ | MnemonicPunk: Have you been able to post initfs.img anywhere? |
18:00.46 | MnemonicPunk | I have no idea where to post it. |
18:01.09 | exco | you mean host it? |
18:01.10 | MnemonicPunk | Here's the RS link to it: http://rapidshare.de/files/40577625/initfs.gz.html |
18:01.37 | exco | I can provide you with webspace |
18:01.51 | MnemonicPunk | exco: So you're able to boot Linux already, right? |
18:01.55 | exco | yes |
18:02.00 | MnemonicPunk | Good. =) |
18:02.29 | exco | but I only tried building OE once. |
18:02.49 | MnemonicPunk | I'm right in the middle of doiing that, really takes some time. o.o |
18:02.56 | MnemonicPunk | -i |
18:03.17 | exco | do you use ICQ? |
18:03.26 | MnemonicPunk | But I built an Ubuntu image and a Debian image by hand and those worked great. Of course there were no phone apps included, though. |
18:03.57 | exco | haven't heard of anyone trying that before |
18:04.05 | tmzt_ | MnemonicPunk: if you get debian working, there are fso packages and repo for it |
18:04.27 | exco | how about the Ubuntu MID? |
18:04.32 | MnemonicPunk | Cool, tmzt. =) Didn't know that yet, I will look into it later. |
18:05.02 | exco | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile |
18:05.27 | MnemonicPunk | Didn't try Ubuntu Mobile because I didn't see a release anywhere but zubuntu does the job for my testing anyway. |
18:07.13 | tmzt_ | deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main |
18:07.31 | MnemonicPunk | exco: http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/static.php?page=ZaurusUbuntu It's for Zaurus but if you follow the instructions to build a qemu image, you can make it bootable on your device as well. Just install gdm, add autologin (so you don't have to type a username and pw) and run it. =) |
18:07.43 | tmzt_ | deb http://http.XX.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib |
18:07.47 | exco | btw can we also run Android on Magician ? |
18:09.03 | MnemonicPunk | If Android doesn't require 3D hardware acceleration, I think it should work on the magician. Tried it only once yet and it failed to boot (different boot structure) but I think it's possible. |
18:09.34 | MnemonicPunk | tmzt_: Do those work with Debian only or Ubuntu too? |
18:10.31 | tmzt_ | they need debian experimental, and maybe only armel, I don't know what ubuntu derived repos you are using |
18:10.54 | MnemonicPunk | I'm using Frisky something. |
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18:11.16 | MnemonicPunk | Forget the second, but it's 7.04 judging from the name. |
18:11.55 | tmzt_ | so you probably need the deb experimental line anyway, to get newer packages for englightenment stuff at least |
18:12.02 | MnemonicPunk | I'd prefer Debian though, just to make it lighter on the hadware. |
18:12.04 | MnemonicPunk | + |
18:12.05 | MnemonicPunk | r |
18:12.09 | tmzt_ | you also don't really want to run gdm |
18:12.37 | MnemonicPunk | That was a quick solution to make it login automatically. ^^ |
18:12.38 | tmzt_ | if you don't want to run as root, ask in #openmoko-debian about rungetty |
18:13.30 | tmzt_ | if you install zhone, it will give zhone-session, which should start X for you |
18:14.09 | MnemonicPunk | I was considering matchbox, don't know anything about zhone besides the name though. |
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18:16.04 | MnemonicPunk | Heh, straight from the Openmoko wiki: " TODO: What is zhone, can anyone explain, and write something here? (See: To-Do List)" |
18:16.43 | exco | :-) |
18:17.15 | kiozen | BabelO: around? |
18:17.16 | tmzt_ | look for DebianOnFreerunner |
18:17.44 | tmzt_ | zhone is the phone application in python |
18:17.58 | tmzt_ | zhone-session is a script that lauches X and then zhone |
18:18.22 | tmzt_ | the window manager is supposed to be illume, but that is not in debian yet? |
18:18.49 | MnemonicPunk | No idea. =( I only used xfce and matchbox so far. |
18:19.29 | MnemonicPunk | Problem with Ubuntu (at least for me) was that it had no xserver-xorg-input-tslib package. |
18:19.51 | MnemonicPunk | Could I use the Debian one there? |
18:20.15 | tmzt_ | the problem really is, you don't want xorg, you want xserver-xfbdev |
18:20.23 | tmzt_ | are you using arm or armel ? |
18:20.28 | MnemonicPunk | armel |
18:20.37 | tmzt_ | it's not packaged yet |
18:20.47 | MnemonicPunk | I didn't stray too far from any tutorials yet. ^^ |
18:20.58 | MnemonicPunk | For Debian it exists. |
18:21.05 | MnemonicPunk | For xorg. |
18:21.32 | tmzt_ | xserver-xfbdev has the tslib builtin, and it runs in alot less memory and faster |
18:21.45 | MnemonicPunk | Okay, I'll keep that in mind. |
18:21.51 | MnemonicPunk | xorg was really kinda slow. |
18:21.53 | tmzt_ | if you want to use that, use xserver-xorg from debian as well |
18:22.28 | cr2 | kiozen: what about mmutrace ? |
18:22.53 | kiozen | cr2: just have to test fixes in GT, then we can do... |
18:22.57 | MnemonicPunk | The Ubuntu image had to use swap right after boot and I don't think I want it to have swap at all. >_> |
18:24.42 | tmzt_ | how are you installing ubuntu/debian on magician ? |
18:25.13 | MnemonicPunk | I use qemu to build a working system and then move it to a partition on my SD. o.o |
18:25.28 | cr2 | kiozen: ok |
18:26.01 | tmzt_ | so you use an initrd with qemu, or debian-installer image from the archives? |
18:26.14 | tmzt_ | versatilepb ? |
18:26.27 | MnemonicPunk | Yes, versatilepb and the debian-installer image. |
18:26.54 | tmzt_ | do you do the install through d-i or with debootstrap from the bash prompt? |
18:26.59 | MnemonicPunk | But I also tried with debootstrap, also works fine. |
18:27.00 | kiozen | cr2: done, what's on the stack? |
18:27.41 | MnemonicPunk | I tried it two ways: Using the debian-installer and installing straight from the server but I also used debootstrap. |
18:28.21 | cr2 | kiozen: pick haret-0.5.2, the annoying cpld messages are fixed now. |
18:28.32 | MnemonicPunk | (Did 4 installs of Debian so far. ^^ In one I messed up the image by accident, the other fell victim to a mistyped rm xD) |
18:30.34 | tmzt_ | MnemonicPunk: for --arch you use armel ? |
18:30.47 | MnemonicPunk | Yep. |
18:31.17 | MnemonicPunk | I used the manual debian tutorial from the openmoko wiki, just adjusted the device-specific stuff. |
18:33.10 | kiozen | cr2: http://pastebin.no/42572 |
18:33.16 | kiozen | cr2: looks diffrent :) |
18:33.32 | kiozen | cr2: switched to suspend, and then resume |
18:35.08 | cr2 | kiozen: did you update the .py ? there should be no cpld traces |
18:35.34 | kiozen | cr2: darn, no, moment... |
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18:38.52 | kiozen | cr2: http://pastebin.no/42577 |
18:39.21 | kiozen | cr2: arrrg, no, wrong trace :/ |
18:40.35 | kiozen | cr2: no right one. sorry for the confusion, have to wake up and switch on brain |
18:43.08 | cr2 | hmm. there are no writes to the first megabytes. ok... |
18:44.05 | cr2 | kiozen: can you check 'dump mmu 2 0x0' and 'dump mmu 2 0x10000000' |
18:45.09 | kiozen | cr2: http://pastebin.no/42582 |
18:53.06 | cr2 | kiozen: sorry, it's me who needs to enable the brain. |
18:53.16 | cr2 | 0x10000000 is the cpld |
18:53.44 | cr2 | mmutrace the 0xa0100000 and 0xa0000000 |
18:53.46 | kiozen | let's just pretend it was a long day ;) |
18:57.04 | kiozen | cr2: that was kind of unhealthy http://pastebin.no/42591 |
18:57.14 | kiozen | cr2: device could not resume |
18:59.54 | kiozen | those "overlowed x traces" does not look right |
19:09.44 | kiozen | BabelO: I know someone is testing your artemis image :) |
19:10.14 | kiozen | BabelO: he is saying qtopia is slow. any reason for this? |
19:10.16 | BabelO | kiozen: who ? someone you know, or a GT devel ? |
19:10.28 | kiozen | BabelO: geocacher |
19:10.28 | BabelO | uh ? slow ? |
19:10.40 | kiozen | yes slow, compared to wince |
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19:10.58 | kiozen | I told him to contact you :) |
19:11.47 | BabelO | kiozen: maybe on first start it is slow due to indeing, it take some time, but after it should be faster |
19:11.49 | BabelO | ok |
19:11.49 | BabelO | kiozen: french ? |
19:11.50 | cr2 | kiozen: addr2mod 0x03f7c068 |
19:11.57 | kiozen | BabelO: no german |
19:12.15 | BabelO | ok |
19:12.44 | cr2 | kiozen: the zero page is mapped too, that's not good. |
19:13.52 | kiozen | HaRET(1)# addr2mod 0x03f7c068 |
19:13.52 | kiozen | Address 03f7c068 not process specific |
19:13.52 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
19:14.02 | kiozen | cr2: that's what you need? |
19:15.32 | cr2 | ok. |
19:15.36 | cr2 | 25304 |
19:15.52 | cr2 | no the trace itself looks good |
19:16.48 | cr2 | need to check the kernel source |
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19:18.59 | cr2 | kiozen: can you mmutrace only the 0xa0025304 address ? |
19:19.03 | cr2 | pd it first. |
19:19.14 | kiozen | pd? |
19:19.22 | cr2 | pd 0xa0025304 4 |
19:22.16 | kiozen | cr2: http://pastebin.no/42608 |
19:22.21 | kiozen | cr2: no resume |
19:24.13 | cr2 | addlist mmutrace p2v(0xa0025000) 0x1000 |
19:26.33 | kiozen | cr2: http://pastebin.no/42612 |
19:27.47 | cr2 | hmm. too much |
19:28.00 | cr2 | addlist mmutrace p2v(0xa0025100) 0x1000 |
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19:30.17 | kiozen | cr2: http://pastebin.no/42615 |
19:33.59 | kiozen | BabelO: seen new qt logo? |
19:34.19 | cr2 | kiozen: ok, so it's only ldr |
19:34.28 | BabelO | kiozen: i saw yesturday new qtopia -> Qt extented spec, but that's all |
19:36.00 | BabelO | kiozen: http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/reference-designs/touchscreen-mobile-phone ? |
19:37.54 | kiozen | BabelO: that's the freerunner, isn't it? |
19:37.54 | cr2 | lsr2== /4 |
19:38.12 | BabelO | kiozen: yes but look at the whitepapaer on the right |
19:39.09 | cr2 | kiozen: it's moko1 |
19:39.29 | cr2 | Chipset Samsung S3C2410 | Modem : TI Calypso |
19:40.09 | cr2 | the horizontal bar at the top wastes screenspace even on this vga screen. |
19:40.20 | cr2 | think of 240x240 ;) |
19:41.00 | kiozen | is it waterproof? |
19:41.06 | cr2 | no |
19:41.10 | cr2 | Wi-Fi supported by Qt Extendedâs IP Comms module. |
19:41.10 | cr2 | GPS supported by Qt Extendedâs Location module |
19:41.18 | cr2 | BabelO: is it true ?? |
19:41.51 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
19:42.02 | BabelO | cr2: yes it i s true for gps with 4.4 |
19:42.26 | cr2 | is 4.4 out ? |
19:42.44 | BabelO | cr2: wifi was already supported in 4.3 but i hope they add a better user side support :) |
19:42.44 | BabelO | lpotter: is that ok ? |
19:43.07 | kiozen | anyone know the price, and battery live withous phone? |
19:43.14 | cr2 | lol, now i'd like to see qtopia on G1 :) |
19:43.35 | cr2 | kiozen: $400 afair |
19:43.46 | kiozen | pheeew! |
19:43.51 | cr2 | battery life... |
19:44.08 | cr2 | there are some hw phone-related bugs afair. |
19:44.17 | cr2 | it's better to ask at #openmoko |
19:44.22 | kiozen | don't need the phone :) |
19:44.51 | kiozen | have to try that wince stuff on eday |
19:45.50 | cr2 | ULDR checksum is not that difficult. |
19:45.53 | cr2 | eday ? |
19:47.03 | lpotter | IP Comms are only telepathy stuff |
19:47.27 | BabelO | lpotter: you copy me :) |
19:47.36 | BabelO | lpotter: so now your voip stack can be back |
19:47.53 | lpotter | thats what I am current;y working on, ya |
19:47.56 | lpotter | :) |
19:48.22 | BabelO | lpotter: sofia sip ? got this one working with my imlife app on ba :) |
19:48.49 | cr2 | lpotter: working on qtopia for g1, eh ? :) |
19:50.21 | lpotter | g1? |
19:50.35 | BabelO | lpotter: google phone aka HTC dream :) |
19:50.37 | cr2 | kiozen: i'm looking at resuming linux as running the firmware updater |
19:50.43 | lpotter | ahh. heh |
19:50.48 | cr2 | LOL |
19:52.21 | kiozen | cr2: sounds scary :) |
19:54.17 | cr2 | ipl flasher is done this way too |
19:54.38 | cr2 | hehe. they calculate the checksum, and drop the result |
19:54.53 | cr2 | then check the CECE in header |
19:55.26 | cr2 | if yes, then jump there. |
19:57.34 | kiozen | i know that from modem links :) |
19:58.59 | cr2 | hehe. |
19:59.10 | cr2 | ULDR has its own partition ?? |
19:59.21 | cr2 | then linux _is_ ULDR :D |
20:01.18 | cr2 | 2^9=512 ? |
20:01.24 | cr2 | blocksiz |
20:02.37 | cr2 | "sectors" |
20:06.11 | cr2 | if +0x253a4 == 0x52444c55 |
20:06.32 | cr2 | looks familiar |
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20:07.36 | cr2 | flag for "RAM update mode" |
20:08.40 | cr2 | +0x25318 == 0x20525555 |
20:09.55 | cr2 | " RUU" ? |
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20:16.12 | BabelO | cr2: your friend Java is still here -> http://trolltech.com/products i think they have a Java architect :) |
20:18.58 | cr2 | yeah. create once, debug everywhere :) |
20:19.20 | cr2 | qtopia page says "deploy everywhere" |
20:19.52 | MnemonicPunk | That's carefully worded. |
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20:20.12 | MnemonicPunk | You can probably really deploy it everywhere. It just may not run. |
20:22.12 | szsoftware | hi guys! |
20:23.20 | BabelO | hi szsoftware |
20:23.33 | wasup | when was the last time anyone saw ginge? |
20:24.02 | szsoftware | I don't know, whether thisis the right place for my problem |
20:24.45 | BabelO | ~seen ginge |
20:24.47 | apt | ginge <n=baz@78-105-175-81.zone3.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 5d 20h 24m 55s ago, saying: 'not yet. locks up shortly after init'. |
20:24.52 | wasup | szsoftware... whats your problem? |
20:24.52 | BabelO | szsoftware: you can ask |
20:25.07 | wasup | ~seen ali1234 |
20:25.08 | apt | ali1234 <n=al@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 5d 1h 52m 38s ago, saying: 'if you get hangs, best to try it a few times just in case'. |
20:25.27 | wasup | wtf? they are both offline for the past 5 days??? |
20:25.35 | wasup | thanks babel0 |
20:25.40 | wasup | O* |
20:25.48 | szsoftware | I'm looking for a girlfriend who like geeks, like this guy: ginge rofl my gf wrote a blog entry http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/?q=node/114 |
20:25.52 | szsoftware | :-) |
20:26.19 | szsoftware | Joke, I'mupto date with this chat, read logs every day |
20:26.37 | szsoftware | btw. this medion keyboard sucks |
20:27.14 | wasup | lmao...thats great |
20:27.18 | MnemonicPunk | Heh. |
20:27.25 | wasup | hahaha |
20:27.34 | MnemonicPunk | << Laptop Keyboard >_> |
20:28.23 | szsoftware | nice, in the same time when I set up my choke whith ginges gf in mind, wasup aked for his appearence |
20:28.56 | szsoftware | s/aked/asked |
20:30.28 | szsoftware | Oh, now I know why I want to be active in this chat today. Just for the log, flashed O2 german WM 6.1 ROM and haret loads Android 10/10 times |
20:31.46 | szsoftware | dcordes: can you please mention this success in your README.txt, so users don't need cooked ROMs. Thanks in advance |
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20:35.40 | szsoftware | Hey guys, does someone know whether mtd-tools (or similar) actually work on linux with Polaris or Kaiser? |
20:36.18 | szsoftware | Have we access to the rom, for backups of the rom while we are in linux? |
20:36.46 | szsoftware | dcordes: I forget to say that my device is polaris. |
20:38.33 | szsoftware | dzo: Hi dzo. May I direct my last question directly to you? |
20:41.31 | cr2 | szsoftware: there is msm NAND driver, but it seems nobody checked if it works |
20:42.12 | cr2 | kiozen: i have documented even more SPL parts, but still don't understand why it does not do 'warm' boot |
20:42.17 | szsoftware | cr2: ok, if it works, will mtd-tools work with that? |
20:43.09 | cr2 | kiozen: cold boot is splitted into loading "OS" and "ULDR" off the mdoc partitions, and the switch is easy |
20:43.30 | cr2 | szsoftware: i think so. but i don't know the details, try it yourself. |
20:43.40 | szsoftware | cr2: Okthanks |
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20:45.04 | cr2 | nice function here |
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20:45.47 | BabelO | cr2: where ? something like that ? if (1==0) 1==1; |
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20:46.47 | cr2 | BabelO: no, i have two functions: |
20:47.08 | cr2 | bitmess_here_r0_r1_r2 and realbitmess_here_r0_r1_r2 |
20:47.30 | cr2 | i think realbitmess reads from mdoc ;-) |
20:47.55 | BabelO | LOL |
20:48.05 | MnemonicPunk | Bitmess? o.O |
20:48.07 | BabelO | cr2: something that swetland can write :) |
20:48.18 | MnemonicPunk | Do I want to ask what that is for? |
20:49.46 | cr2 | MnemonicPunk: resume on n560. is a real mess. |
20:50.02 | MnemonicPunk | lol okay |
20:50.06 | cr2 | you don't even want to know what is going on there ;) |
20:50.26 | MnemonicPunk | I wouldn't understand it yet, either. xD |
20:50.26 | cr2 | it's extremely complicated for no good reason. |
20:50.43 | cr2 | there is no such other wince device anymore known to man. |
20:51.23 | BabelO | swetland, SanMehat do you do some more omap850 devel on htc board ? |
20:52.00 | kiozen | cr2: the best of german and japaneese engineering :P |
20:52.25 | kiozen | didn't they splitt up lately? |
20:52.41 | MnemonicPunk | "german engineering" reminds me of that BMW "pimp my ride" ad. ^^ |
20:52.51 | MnemonicPunk | Er |
20:52.53 | MnemonicPunk | VW |
20:52.55 | MnemonicPunk | lol |
20:54.19 | cr2 | but they support dual boot. in a funny way though |
20:54.51 | MnemonicPunk | What does that mean? |
20:55.01 | cr2 | zImage with CECE header will be fun. |
20:55.33 | swetland | we have some early prototypes which are omap850 based, but have not been doing work on shipping htc omap based devices |
20:56.13 | cr2 | swetland: they were too slow ? |
20:56.52 | BabelO | cr2: don't think |
20:57.06 | BabelO | cr2: i was able to start android on artemis last month |
20:57.21 | BabelO | but never patch ts so can't try, only play with keys |
20:57.34 | GPFerror | fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
20:57.47 | cr2 | BabelO: you have qvga on arte |
20:57.54 | BabelO | swetland: sound on omap is really hard |
20:58.03 | BabelO | cr2: yes :) and i start it on BA too |
20:58.10 | GPFerror | fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
20:58.26 | cr2 | BabelO: vga will be as painful as on moko1 |
20:58.35 | GPFerror | fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
20:58.44 | exco | so you got a stuck f key for birthday... what else? |
21:00.38 | MnemonicPunk | That many f's are usually a sign of a bricked or broken device. xD |
21:00.52 | cr2 | RCSR bits... |
21:01.39 | GPFerror | nah fell asleep at the keyboard sorry, chat client beeping woke me up, on the most boring conference call ever |
21:06.15 | cr2 | writing 0xa1a2b3c4d to magic places must be fun. |
21:10.20 | cr2 | awk '{printf("%8.8x\n",0xb0000004-0x07100000)}' |
21:10.26 | cr2 | heh |
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21:15.42 | wasup | so if i could get information to anyone.... could anyone try getting the titan keyboard working? |
21:16.22 | zdooder | wasup: I'm interested in getting it working too... been looking at code but not sure where to start myself. |
21:16.35 | wasup | well haret console... |
21:16.53 | wasup | and the irql reading or gpios i think |
21:16.53 | zdooder | Yeah got that... not entirely sure how to read what comes out of it though :) |
21:17.25 | wasup | hmmm... |
21:17.26 | wasup | idk |
21:17.54 | wasup | anyone know how to read GPIOS data and make it work??? |
21:18.08 | wasup | i take that as a no...lmao |
21:18.33 | wasup | hmm...there is no place on the web that gives info on that zdooder? |
21:22.36 | wasup | zdooder: maybe something like this? http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/22/drivers/input/keyboard/gpio_keys.c |
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21:26.40 | zdooder | I think people might be busy, I'm sure some here do know... :) |
21:44.42 | wasup | hmm... im trying to get everything working on my mac |
21:44.56 | wasup | like the arm toolchain and stuff |
21:45.20 | wasup | i wish i knew a little more about all the compiling and stuff |
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21:58.25 | zdooder | wasup: I was told that the Kaiser keyboard code was probably a good starting point... |
21:58.50 | wasup | yeah? |
21:59.07 | wasup | i am installing the latest kernel.git on my mac right now. |
21:59.20 | wasup | so hopefully i should be a little more useful |
21:59.23 | wasup | :) |
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22:04.36 | cr2 | kiozen: a lot of combinations there, so i gave up for now. |
22:09.38 | wasup | cr2: do you know everything i000451391 11844 |
22:09.53 | wasup | disregard that |
22:09.55 | wasup | nvm |
22:26.04 | szsoftware | ping <someone> |
22:26.10 | MnemonicPunk | pong |
22:26.15 | szsoftware | Ah |
22:26.32 | szsoftware | Is a polaris dev/user/tester here? |
22:26.40 | wasup | anyone know how to go about compiling a kernal |
22:26.41 | wasup | ? |
22:26.43 | wasup | on mac? |
22:26.57 | MnemonicPunk | Don't know for mac. =( |
22:27.25 | wasup | well what is the normal command |
22:27.27 | wasup | ? |
22:27.27 | szsoftware | wasup: sorry no, and most mac-users would ask: what's a kernel? |
22:27.29 | wasup | on linux? |
22:27.32 | MnemonicPunk | But there should be OE for macs as well, right? |
22:27.47 | szsoftware | wasup: it's like that ubuntu discussion, I think ;-) |
22:27.51 | wasup | i'm installing mac developer tools on my machine right now |
22:27.58 | szsoftware | wasup: or worse |
22:28.07 | MnemonicPunk | wasup: You have to install a toolchain (e.g. arm-none-eabi) and get the kernel sources. |
22:28.49 | wasup | i already did |
22:28.53 | wasup | arm toolchain for mac |
22:29.05 | wasup | and i already downloaded the .git |
22:29.15 | zdooder | wasup: You have to configure the kernel, something like make <configname> ARCH=<architecture> |
22:29.17 | wasup | for android |
22:29.33 | MnemonicPunk | wasup: Then you type "make DEVICENAME_defconfig" to apply a configuration. |
22:29.45 | MnemonicPunk | Wait. |
22:29.47 | MnemonicPunk | o.O |
22:29.54 | MnemonicPunk | Sorry, I'm confused. xD |
22:30.04 | MnemonicPunk | (Painkillers don't only kill pain. >_>) |
22:30.07 | zdooder | Are you trying to do a kernel for the titan wasup? |
22:30.21 | wasup | sii (yes) |
22:30.23 | wasup | hahaha |
22:31.08 | zdooder | I build mine (although I haven't tested it yet) by using the .config file at http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ (at the bottom of the page) |
22:31.56 | wasup | how do you test to see if it works? |
22:32.07 | zdooder | I then just did "make zImage ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi-" ... the CROSS_COMPILE thing is a prefix of the arm toolchain, I believe. |
22:32.31 | NetRipper | correct |
22:32.32 | MnemonicPunk | You don't have to make it that complicated. o.O |
22:32.39 | zdooder | wasup: I'm assuming if I put it on the titan (on the SD card), I could boot it with Haret and it would work... |
22:32.53 | zdooder | Just that I haven't actually made any changes yet so there's really nothing to test. |
22:32.54 | wasup | give it to me... i'll try it |
22:32.57 | MnemonicPunk | make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-eabi- |
22:32.58 | MnemonicPunk | That did the job for me. |
22:33.25 | wasup | hmm... so we can make changes in the keyboard.c file?? and then compile it? |
22:33.28 | cr2 | SanMehat: i guess 0x150000 is GPIO read on the mddi_bridge. it is used for the panel type detection on raphael/diamond. |
22:34.07 | NetRipper | MnemonicPunk, the ARCH can be really important... if you do 'make menuconfig' or 'make menuconfig ARCH=arm' you'll get two different menuconfigs |
22:34.10 | NetRipper | ;) |
22:34.18 | NetRipper | i had to build with ARCH= in the cmd line |
22:34.53 | MnemonicPunk | NetRipper: Thanks for correcting me then. =) Didn't know that. |
22:35.25 | NetRipper | (at least on the android git kernel) |
22:35.26 | NetRipper | :p |
22:35.42 | MnemonicPunk | Meh. Android. xD |
22:36.06 | MnemonicPunk | Did you ever notice that Google are indeed like the Borg? |
22:36.13 | cr2 | NetRipper: started with the LCD docs ;) |
22:36.18 | NetRipper | cr2, sweet |
22:36.28 | NetRipper | cr2, you document it on wiki? |
22:36.39 | cr2 | NetRipper: can you checkout and compile the latest halibut kernel ? |
22:36.42 | cr2 | NetRipper: yes. |
22:37.22 | NetRipper | sure i can |
22:38.20 | NetRipper | cr2, there are no changes in android git |
22:39.00 | NetRipper | the zImage on my site is still the latest compiled for-rmk branch |
22:39.25 | cr2 | not-rmk, compile android-msm |
22:39.40 | NetRipper | that's not been updated in 3 weeks |
22:39.51 | NetRipper | the 2.6.25 one |
22:41.59 | cr2 | ok |
22:44.05 | NetRipper | compiling |
22:45.39 | NetRipper | hm it has some specific msm7x00a stuff |
22:46.06 | wasup | DZO updated the last one on git.android.com like 4 days ago |
22:46.40 | NetRipper | 6 days |
22:47.07 | NetRipper | unless the 'last change' is lying |
22:48.19 | wasup | oh... i thought it said 4... |
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23:03.07 | NetRipper | cr2, http://www.netripper.nl/raphael/zImage-msm-android-no-eabi |
23:03.53 | NetRipper | cr2, and missing eabi should just be a performance hit, nothing serious |
23:05.53 | cr2 | NetRipper: dare to boot ? |
23:08.00 | wasup | anyone know....does the kaiser keyboard work perfect? |
23:08.13 | NetRipper | cr2, you afraid your device will smoke? ;) |
23:08.18 | cr2 | NetRipper: but you may screw the LCD setup. |
23:08.55 | NetRipper | what do you mean? |
23:09.00 | NetRipper | permanently? |
23:09.06 | cr2 | NetRipper: the toshiba chip setup is a joke in the android kernel. i'm mostly done with the register list, will commit it into wiki RSN. |
23:09.17 | cr2 | i doubt it, but you may try ;) |
23:09.35 | NetRipper | don't like the sound of that |
23:09.36 | NetRipper | but hey |
23:09.39 | NetRipper | what's life without riscs |
23:09.46 | cr2 | warranty ? |
23:09.58 | NetRipper | maybe i should remove hardspl first then (A) |
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23:13.01 | NetRipper | cr2 , still hang @ go go go |
23:13.30 | NetRipper | or erm |
23:13.35 | NetRipper | actuall |
23:13.44 | NetRipper | i heard gsm noises through my speakers |
23:13.49 | cr2 | lol |
23:14.24 | NetRipper | so who knows, it might just boot without framebuffer working ;) |
23:14.36 | cr2 | when arm11 wince died, arm9 told the big brother: linux hackerz at work :) |
23:14.55 | silven | lol |
23:15.01 | cr2 | maybe |
23:16.02 | NetRipper | doesn't kaiser have an initrd that boots up to the point you can put usb in and telnet to the device? |
23:16.23 | NetRipper | angstrom does that i think |
23:16.42 | cr2 | we used it on hermes |
23:17.04 | NetRipper | yea but i doubt i can use angstrom compiled for hermes on raph |
23:17.12 | NetRipper | due to processor specific optimizations |
23:17.29 | cr2 | imho it's realistic that linux runs, but lcd is fscked |
23:17.47 | cr2 | NetRipper: add flashlight_gpio_on to board setup. |
23:18.02 | cr2 | then you will know if this code is reached. |
23:18.22 | cr2 | it's probably the only real debug opportunity. |
23:18.24 | NetRipper | it has support for msm framebuffer |
23:18.27 | NetRipper | hehe |
23:18.32 | NetRipper | yea i'll check that out tomorrow |
23:18.38 | cr2 | yes, but not for your hitachi LCD |
23:19.36 | NetRipper | framebuffer = framebuffer, isn't it, i mean, haret's framebuffer works as well... it just misses the signal to update the screen |
23:19.44 | NetRipper | perhaps a vital signal |
23:20.08 | NetRipper | but i'd think that'd be in the msm framebuffer code |
23:20.29 | NetRipper | the LCD driver would be to init and turn on the LCD, but once on, it should work, i'd think |
23:20.34 | NetRipper | perhaps im naive :p |
23:21.20 | NetRipper | anyway, good night, and i'll try hacking something tomorrow |
23:22.44 | cr2 | good night |
23:22.45 | NetRipper | cr2, and there really is something odd with booting from 0x1*... i can't really confirm it, but when i attempt to boot with ramaddr 0x1*, and windows restarts, there's always something odd like a service that has trouble starting or a program (device.exe or cprog.exe) that crashes and wants to send a report |
23:22.53 | NetRipper | i don't have that when is et ramaddr 0x2* |
23:23.02 | NetRipper | s/is et/i set/ |
23:23.36 | cr2 | 0x1* may have some wince kernel status data stored |
23:23.58 | silven | Has anyone tried running 2.6.26 on an arm based phone? I have an existing codebase on 2,6,25 and am thinking about pulling it up to mainline. |
23:24.51 | NetRipper | cr2, well ok, just an observation though |
23:24.53 | NetRipper | good night, again :p |
23:25.09 | szsoftware | Netripper: GoodNight |
23:25.19 | szsoftware | for me too. |
23:25.26 | szsoftware | Ahm, and guys... |
23:25.28 | cr2 | silven: omap ? |
23:25.29 | wasup | good night |
23:25.41 | wasup | to you both. |
23:25.43 | wasup | :) |
23:26.17 | szsoftware | tomorrow I want to see working bluetooth, usb, xfbdev, gps, nand, etc... |
23:26.22 | szsoftware | :-) |
23:26.41 | silven | .cr2: omap8tp!03_8#8_~))6,................................ |
23:26.44 | silven | ~~% |
23:26.48 | silven | aah |
23:26.53 | szsoftware | oh, on which devices? All htc :-) |
23:26.56 | silven | omap850 |
23:27.12 | silven | sorry, on the phone and the kbd freaked out :) |
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23:32.16 | silven | is there an official omap maintainer? |
23:33.55 | cr2 | you may ask on linux-arm ML |
23:34.32 | silven | beautiful idea. anyone still use news/usenet? |
23:40.08 | cr2 | i've used it long ago. > 10 years maybe ? |
23:41.42 | cr2 | SanMehat, swetland : if MDDI is really an open VESA standard, it will be interesting to give names to the '?' here -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMDDI |
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