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00:23.22scatterpcr2 run linux with as much as possible working on my hermes
00:24.56dcordes_good night
00:27.50wasupg'night dcordes
00:29.35wasupali1234: do you know the default username and password for this ubuntu release?
00:29.44ali1234user/user it says
00:32.22wasupok
00:32.24wasupyeah.
00:32.30wasupim slightly retarded
00:32.31wasup:)
00:34.17ali1234i'll be back in about an hour - you need to set up networking and stuff, and make sure you have enough disk space in that image. it needs about 2 to 3 gb to compile kernel i think
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01:59.21scatterpany one know if theres anyway to mod the htc hermes to have more ram :S
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02:31.58Kevin2scatterp: I don't think anyone has gotten X to run on Hermes.  Without a flash or SD driver, there isn't much we can do with the linux support.
02:39.59tmzt_hermes is s3c? what is the video chip?
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02:44.57tmzt_magic google proxy came up?
02:56.59scatterpKevin2 oh
02:57.31scatterpKevin2 i was reading about the possibility of extra ram and that a cooked rom for it should be easy
02:57.37scatterpbut theres no space inside
02:57.42scatterpi read that on the forum
02:57.56scatterponly thing is there is space because theres an unused gps chip...
02:59.20scatterpwhats the best htc phone to buy then ?
04:19.42lamahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ONZzwCBDVA
04:28.19tmzt_scatterp: are you talking about the split between programs/storage and dynamically allocated ram?
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04:45.12swetlandwaves
04:45.35SanMehathola :)
04:45.45swetland'evening
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06:54.38Espenfjodcordes_: *yawn* pong?
07:10.35lpotterhttp://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=360917304&eid=-50
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08:50.25*** topic/#htc-linux is HTC Linux Channel: Find logs at http://apt.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/ | please check http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Xanadux | <cr2> let's define a common setup.
08:51.57BabelO_kiozen: yes if you have png :)
08:52.10BabelO_kiozen: or one of your map, but it will be next step
08:52.29kiozenBabelO_: only map, I keep it small ;)
08:59.58kiozenBabelO_: sent
09:01.43BabelO_kiozen: just got it , thx
09:10.48BabelO_kiozen: circle are not always same size ... poor
09:11.36kiozenBabelO_: not poor, just precise, The one is trees, the other one scrubs
09:12.26BabelO_kiozen: ok, foudn an algorithm to detect them for you, so it can add waypoint automatically :)
09:12.58kiozens/scrubs/shrubs/
09:13.40kiozenBabelO_: is there a way the user can tell what he/she is looking for?
09:15.05kiozenBabelO_: for later: the user defines an area, GT will witch to zoomlevel 1 and will process the map screen by screen
09:15.37kiozenBabelO_: maybe we have to do some overlapping
09:16.30kiozenBabelO_: how many did you detect?
09:30.14BabelO_kiozen: yes user can tell what he is looking for if i implement the algorithm... for cave user need to give me the R of circle
09:30.47BabelO_kiozen: and yes zoom level 1 should be better :)
09:30.55kiozenBabelO_: what circle?
09:31.08BabelO_kiozen: the one for cave :)
09:31.26BabelO_kiozen: "O_"
09:31.39kiozenBabelO_: lol, no that are trees
09:31.46BabelO_kiozen: ahhhh
09:31.54kiozenBabelO_: LOL
09:32.07BabelO_kiozen: ok i can found tree if you want then
09:32.08BabelO_lol
09:32.26kiozenBabelO_: there are 4 caves on the map ;)
09:39.51kiozenBabelO_: Rohenloch, Raumhöhle, Felsenloch and ND, just in case you started to count the pine trees...
10:02.10BabelO_kiozen: i try to finish the Grid Detect button :)
10:02.47kiozenBabelO_: ok that is more failsave than caves
10:03.28BabelO_kiozen: anyway i want to add some symbol detection to automatically add waypoint, and same for text
10:04.18kiozenBabelO_: yes I think that would be the feature most users will appreciate
10:22.02cr2hi
10:22.32cr2http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
10:23.09cr2now it's interesting
10:23.41BabelO_hi cr2
10:23.43BabelO_yes, Special Features Digital Compass, Motion Sensor
10:24.25cr2so i'd only research the gpios, lcd panel init and fm radio operation
10:25.05cr2the rest can be assimilated :)
10:26.04cr2and the arm11-arm9 ipc is probably different.
10:27.13cr2BabelO: i'd like to see the kernel source and the rom dump :)
10:35.38BabelO_cr2: i not really like this device 320x480( :) )  192Mb or ram should be enough but i like number like 128Mb or 256 Mb...
10:35.48BabelO_i will wait second generation device :)
10:36.12cr2192=128+64
10:36.38cr2i've got a funny idea to boot from the second bank.
10:37.17cr2heh. where do i get this g1 rom ? :)
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11:37.01BabelO_cr2, kiozen : ok french are crazzy http://www.fusionman.ch/prod/index.html
11:38.34cr2wow, that's impressive
11:39.36BabelO_sorry it is not a french guy :)
11:40.19MnemonicPunkFor some reason, I just can't get any image to run on my magician. I've been trying it for a while now but it always locks up with a white screen after "jumping to kernel".
11:40.53MnemonicPunkDoes anyone know possible reasons/solutions to that?
11:48.07cr2MnemonicPunk: you may try these http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/magician/
11:49.23MnemonicPunkYes, that's what I tried. And the ones from goxboxlive.
11:49.50MnemonicPunkBut they all give me a white screen after a few lines of text and I have no clue why.
11:53.30MnemonicPunkWhat I did was create a 50MB Fat16 partition (copy the bootloader and default.txt there, copy the zImage there and rename it zImage, all in root dir), and a 1900-something MB ext2 partition and extract the image there via file-roller. Is that right so far?
11:56.22BabelO_kiozen: How can i draw a line with drawLines over the QImage ? :)
11:58.14BabelO_kiozen: ok QPainter
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12:06.23BabelO_MnemonicPunk: white screen mean that your LCD need something special, i seee that pH5 already commit a patch for that
12:07.32MnemonicPunkCan I do anything about it right now, then?
12:08.44BabelO_MnemonicPunk: don't think
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13:06.46goxboxliveMnemonicPunk: I remember now. We havent made any driver yet for all dispplays. Magician is suplied with both topolo (i think the name is) and a samsung. I guess you have the samsung dipslay and you arent able to boot linux yet.
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13:07.23cr2goxboxlive: but he should be able to ssh, and see the dmesg ?
13:07.43cr2goxboxlive: have you disabled ssh over usb in the image ?
13:07.45cr2hehe
13:07.48MnemonicPunkMine's a T-Mobile MDA, don't know if that helps in distinguishing the hardware. ^
13:11.58MnemonicPunkIs there a way for me to find the IP address of a USB device?
13:12.55MnemonicPunklsusb shows a "Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget" where the magician was displayed earlier.
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13:18.52MnemonicPunkWhat the... it started making sounds all of a sudden.
13:19.10MnemonicPunkDisplay is still white though so I guess it's really the driver problem. =(
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13:32.30scatterptmzt_ yes im talking about increaseing the ram
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13:48.52NetRipperoi!
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13:49.15NetRippercr2, i found how to make the raw framebuffer work
13:49.32NetRipperthe font is really small on vga screen though :p
13:49.44MnemonicPunkFor which device? o.o
13:49.47NetRipperhad to kill biotouch.exe first
13:49.50NetRipperraphael
13:50.05NetRipperim just going to try again to make sure that was the fix, i also disabled tf3d
13:50.46cr2scatterp: i've rechecked the hermes cpld gpios
13:50.56MnemonicPunkCan I somehow help with the display driver for the magician? o.o I really want it to work but I don't think I'm good enough as a coder.
13:51.07NetRipperanyway, it hangs at the take_control();, it doesn't get to the HaRET Boot\nShutting down hardware line on framebuffer
13:51.14cr2NetRipper: i've added a lot of info to raphaelmemorymap
13:51.23NetRippercr2, i saw yes, good work
13:51.30cr2NetRipper: the fbram is there where i've told you :)
13:51.45NetRipperyes indeed, but the printing to framebuffer doesn't work unless i killed those apps
13:52.09cr2MnemonicPunk: you should enable ssh over usb on your image.
13:52.13NetRipperperhaps has to do with 3d drivers being active
13:52.22cr2NetRipper: which apps ?
13:52.32NetRipperim just narrowing down to see which app, either tf3d or biotouch.exe
13:53.20MnemonicPunkcr2: I tried the IP you gave me yesterday but that didn't work so far. How can I enable ssh if it is deactivated?
13:53.53cr2MnemonicPunk: mount the image and check /etc/*
13:53.59BabelO_MnemonicPunk: edit /etc/sysconfig/network or  /etc/network/interface
13:54.11scatterpc2 what did you find when you rechecked it ?
13:54.18BabelO_MnemonicPunk: look at top of file, you should see auto lo just add a line auto usb0
13:54.40BabelO_MnemonicPunk: then found the section where iface usb0 is declared and set your ip adress
13:55.09NetRippercr2, seems that it's tf3d
13:55.09scatterpcr2 what did you find when you rechecked it ?*
13:55.41cr2scatterp: some more gpios
13:56.17cr2scatterp: i think we'd make bt/phone/ir work first. maybe nand.
13:56.48MnemonicPunkOkay, I'll try that when I'm back to Linux. (Win right now.)
13:57.28scatterpcr2 well any kind of comunication would be good if it allowed access to data to make a complete boot up i mean geting things going in a working enviroment would be far easyer right if you could telnet it at least..
13:57.42BabelO_MnemonicPunk: all i say is on your sdcard :)
13:58.34scatterpcr2 who here would know about hardware modification im intrested in adding extra ram to the device
13:58.35MnemonicPunkYeh but Windows won't read ext2/ext3 partitions. (Well it does with a driver but that tends to crash my win. >_> Not that it doesn't already crash enough as it is.)
13:58.45cr2scatterp: telnet (over usb) worked always
13:58.58scatterpcr2 oh well thats a good start i guess..
13:59.07scatterpcr2 does x start ?
13:59.38cr2scatterp: you can put X on the ramdisk (hehe, android), but it does not make much sense
14:00.02scatterpcr2 oh so android will start up but it dont work to well ?
14:00.59cr2scatterp: i have no idea.
14:01.11scatterpcr2 i think the priority on the hermes should be nand/wifi
14:01.13cr2ok, bt power is resolved.
14:01.31scatterpcr2 cool so it turns on ..
14:01.38scatterpcr2 will it connect ?
14:01.45cr2scatterp: wifi is too difficult. you may try nand, i'm checking bt/phone/ir
14:02.08cr2scatterp: serial needs a sane clock setup.
14:02.17cr2scatterp: which is not there yet.
14:02.21scatterpwell could you zip the files you have on your memory stick and upload them then i can boot it up
14:02.55cr2scatterp: i#m not that far :)
14:03.07NetRipperMnemonicPunk, total commander has a nice plugin to read ext2/ext3 partitions
14:03.32NetRipperand afaik there are enough free tools to read/write ext2/ext3 partitions
14:04.25cr2NetRipper: where can we get the g1 android rom ? :)
14:04.31scatterpcr2 if you could guide me on how to "check" each of the individual things like nand and such i dont mind doing all the work its just im not sure how
14:05.30NetRippercr2, cprog.exe must be killed to make haret framebuffer work
14:05.47NetRippercr2, i'd like to know as well ;)
14:06.06scatterpim guessing you have access some how to the mips cpu and you are passing instructions that send data down tracks that look like they go to for example bluetooth and then you fuzz data untill you can make it come to life ?
14:06.18NetRipperactually we probably need a working g1/htc dream device, that'd be easier
14:06.30NetRipperthe rom might actually need figuring out first
14:06.45cr2NetRipper: 22oct
14:06.49scatterpcr2 would it help if i got some kind of ollydbg for the phone and looked at the "signals" for diffrent stuff like bluetooth but inside windows ?
14:06.49NetRipperyepz
14:07.26NetRipperhoping a rom will leak before that time, or someone that extracts initrd and kernel
14:07.29NetRipper:)
14:07.50cr2scatterp: no.
14:08.09cr2NetRipper: kernel modules
14:08.28cr2NetRipper: for the kernel we'll get the source.
14:08.41scatterpcr2 how long would it take you to show me how to figure out the non working parts is that a long task ?
14:08.48NetRipperwho knows what kind of changes htc made to the kernel
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14:09.34scatterpcr2/NetRipper the intresting thing with the new htc dream is that it boots directly in to linux we will see how to do that
14:09.38cr2NetRipper: htc is never makes big changes. i'm worried about wifi and cam.
14:09.58cr2scatterp: the kernel is on nand there.
14:10.08NetRippercr2, they're the kind of company that'll take shortcuts if they can fix anything by changing the kernel instead of doing it via modules
14:10.10dcordes_cr2: do you think we can mime the g1 software to make a raphael/diamond bootloader?
14:10.17MnemonicPunkThe Dream is the G1?
14:10.22NetRipperMnemonicPunk, yes
14:10.23cr2NetRipper: and i hope that the accelerometer chip is the same as on raph100
14:10.55scatterpcr2 i think also that most things that were broke on all the phones will be fixed because it will show us the way we just need a rom :(
14:10.59NetRipperthe g1 has a compass, not an accelerometer, i think it's a real difference
14:11.03cr2dcordes_: if we will have the bootloader
14:11.17marajinNetRipper: has both
14:11.20scatterpwhen does the g1 release was that not yesterday ?
14:11.24cr2NetRipper: it's htc speak i think
14:11.30NetRippermarajin, ah
14:11.46cr2NetRipper: there is compass irq in the raphael  wince kernel. whatever that is
14:12.02NetRipperactually now you mention it, i remember reading about a demo where they throw the dream into the air and it measures the time it's inthe air, it'd need a accelerometer for that
14:12.04marajindid we find out what ram/confirm the screen for the G1 yet?
14:12.14cr2scatterp: it was just an anouncement. you can pre-order it in the US for 22oct
14:12.20dcordes_marajin: htc.com
14:12.24marajinNetRipper: It unarguably has an accelerometer
14:12.32NetRipperoki :)
14:12.48MnemonicPunkWill it be possible to switch the distro running on the G1? Or do they wanna lock one in?
14:12.49marajinit's mention time and time again in presentations and whatnot
14:12.54marajinand code examples
14:12.57dcordes_http://www.htc.com/us/product/g1/specification.html
14:13.07scatterpcr2 oh thats a shame
14:13.24cr2MnemonicPunk: they _may_ lock it.
14:13.36marajinOh, 192, nice
14:13.48marajin192 with HVGA isn't terrible
14:13.52dcordes_I wonder if the 7201A kernel will be released before the market date of the phone
14:13.53cr2but htc has very bad record on locking anything :)
14:14.09marajincr2: yeah and xda-dev people have an excellent record of unlocking ;)
14:14.12NetRipper7201A is already supported in latest kernel, isn't it
14:14.22cr2htc wants to sell hardware
14:14.38MnemonicPunkI don't really get why they call it "open platform" yet don't release the sources... Guess they need the T-Mobile exclusive deal first to get an edge on the iPhone. xD
14:14.39scatterpcr2 how long would it take you to show me how to figure out the non working parts is that a long task ?
14:14.41marajinactually that device looks pretty reasonable ya know
14:14.44cr2i guess they don't give a fsck about t-mob profits ;)
14:14.47marajinthe raphael is more powerful but..
14:14.55marajinon a cost effective evaluation...
14:15.06cr2scatterp: it#s not so simple as you think
14:15.28scatterpcr2 give me an outline if i understood all this i would put time to it...
14:15.29cr2marajin: reasonable from the htc specs.
14:16.05marajinwell yeah, but we can fix software issues ourselves. I'd hate to buy one and it be underpowered
14:16.07cr2marajin: raphael has 256M ram, fm/rds radio and a sane vga screen. and it's smaller
14:16.10marajin. o 0 ( Kaiser video... )
14:16.20marajinI don't give a good goddamn about smaller though :p
14:16.56marajinand yes the htc specs say it has both compass and accelerometer
14:17.08cr2marajin: then you'd buy this 3.8" model without the keyboard.
14:17.28marajinwell 'motion sensor' which is a very stupid thing to say but it's definitely an accelerometer
14:17.34marajincr2: what?
14:17.36NetRippercr2, regarding the haret framebuffer, i'll experiment a bit more tonight or tomorrow about which processes to kill... it worked when i disabled tf3d in today preferences, killed cprog.exe and killed biotouch.exe
14:17.41NetRipperi'll let you know when i have results on that
14:17.41NetRipper:)
14:17.42cr2marajin: how is the compass done ?
14:17.58cr2NetRipper: ok.
14:17.59marajincr2: It's a digital compass, you've never seen one ?
14:18.38cr2marajin: ok, so it'd be on the i2c bus
14:18.56cr2marajin: there are several weird devices on the raphael i2c bus
14:19.06marajinyeah, it'd operate almost exactly like the accelerometer as far as I know
14:19.12cr2i need to fix haret, and do some tracing :)
14:19.17marajinbut it'd be easy to hook into on android.
14:19.33scatterpcr2 hmm so is there anything i can do to help ?
14:19.47marajincr2: You're thinking that the raph might have the compass but it's not used ?
14:19.50cr2a chardev spewing some data is not difficult to hook anywhere :)
14:19.53marajinlike the hermes gps chip?
14:20.19scatterpmarajin i heard the gps chip is physicly disconnected
14:20.44marajinscatterp: Only from its aerial I think, one of the pins may be shorted/missing from what I dimly remember.
14:20.51cr2marajin: 49   0x31      6      compass irq
14:20.53marajinbut I think they got it to talk to the gps chip just in software?
14:21.02cr2http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Raphael_GPIO
14:21.24marajinIt's kinda sad when they include the actual hardware anyway but disable it, seems a waste of money
14:21.27cr2gps is done in software
14:21.29NetRippermarajin, yes on the hermes they could get nmea data, but it was false data, and virtually impossible to connect an antenna
14:21.38cr2look at the MSM7200 diagramm
14:21.39NetRipperwith a hacked readio rom
14:21.39marajinyeah
14:21.42marajinbut the chip was still there
14:21.45NetRipperyes
14:22.02marajinon a compass, it'd probably be pretty much full operational and just lack software support
14:22.12cr2it's a similar LNA+I/Q downconverter
14:22.55dcordes_cr2: doesn't gps just interface to smem like on the 7x00?
14:23.01marajinWell cr2, have a play, you might gain some legendary status for the man that turned the Raphael into the most expensive digital compass ever ;)
14:23.39NetRipperg1's modules/kernel may just automatically detect and make the compass available if it's there ;)
14:23.44marajinthe digital compass inclusion in the device seems borderline pointless though
14:23.46cr2dcordes_: the dsp processes the gps i/q data, and provides you with the nmea datastream on a SMD channel (soft uart)
14:23.59marajinit's only used for like, automatically rotating street view in the maps
14:24.05marajinor I guess when GPS is unavailable
14:24.10cr2lol
14:24.11marajinbut if you're outside GPS is nearly always available
14:24.37dcordes_marajin: didn't you see the new android propaganda vids?
14:24.58marajindcordes_: No, I've been busy
14:25.18scatterpcr2 are you visualy or with some kinda equipment traceing the tracks from cpu to the diffrent devices ?
14:25.20marajinwhy, did they find an actual pointful use for the compass beyond like 'hey look, streetview orients itself automatically
14:25.23cr2dcordes_: we don't need propaganda, we need g1 modules :)
14:25.35marajinwhich is dumb cause you can just associate the landmarks of the photo manually -.-
14:25.43scatterpcr2 anything i can read about how this traceing works ?
14:26.02cr2scatterp: software only
14:26.05dcordes_marajin: they show off some use cases
14:26.33cr2marajin: accelerometer should be enough for streetview
14:26.51NetRippercr2, once you know your initial position
14:26.53marajinlike what? compass is an archaic navigation technology and only useful when gps is unavailable or you're static
14:26.59marajincr2: you'd have to zero it first
14:27.06cr2since athena has the same accelerometer as moko2, we may check such things anyway.
14:27.23scatterpcr2 looking at the gpio for hermes on the site theres not a lot missing..
14:27.26dcordes_cr2: somebody ever tried to use it?
14:27.34dcordes_on athena
14:27.49cr2marajin: the local magnetic field does not tell you the street orientation anyway.
14:28.07cr2dcordes_: afaik, no. only on shift
14:28.21marajincr2: It tells you the device orientation though on a 2d plane
14:28.45marajincr2: the point is that it lets the device rotate a 360 panoramic photo of the street you're in
14:28.46cr2it's a wild approximation anyway
14:28.49marajinit's dumb
14:28.50marajincompletely pointless
14:28.55cr2yeah
14:29.02dcordes_cr2: shift has the freerunner accerlometer as well?
14:29.19cr2dcordes_: yes, a slightly different model
14:29.49dcordes_marajin: ha, yea better get there and rotate 360° using your feet
14:29.59cr2NetRipper: the most funny device on raph100 is the fm radio.
14:30.09NetRipperhow so?
14:30.13scatterpcr2 i cant get you the g1 rom but i can get you something that may help
14:30.19scatterpcr2 there is a g1 emulator
14:30.22scatterphttp://code.google.com/android/
14:30.37scatterpthe code may not be identical to the end product but i bet its simular
14:30.39marajindcordes_: exactly, it doesn't matter
14:30.42NetRipperit doesn't contain any g1 specific code
14:30.43cr2and the microP.dll which controlls the key backlight.
14:30.57dcordes_marajin: but all that will sell, I'm telling you
14:31.02cr2scatterp: it's about binary device drivers for the actual hardware
14:31.14marajindcordes_: I never said it was unmarketable, I said it was a redundant feature
14:31.41NetRippercr2, how is the fm radio 'funny'? :)
14:31.46scatterpcr2 ok
14:31.48cr2marajin: does iephone have it ?
14:32.03dcordes_marajin: no doubt
14:32.04marajincompass? no
14:32.21cr2NetRipper: it's controlled with some ti .bts scripts
14:32.37dcordes_cr2: but accerlometer, you've probably seen them in the blackstone vs iphone video :)
14:32.46cr2marajin: therefore iephone sucks :)
14:32.52marajinheh
14:33.14marajinwell it has GPS and accelerometer, all you need :p
14:33.15cr2dcordes_: yes.
14:33.48cr2if g1 will be locked as iephone, who cares about ?
14:33.53NetRippercr2, does it make it easier to control the hardware? I have no idea how bts scripts work
14:34.12NetRipperi.e. to reverse engineer it
14:34.30marajinIt won't be software locked
14:34.36cr2NetRipper: it's raw binary. i'm just curious why are they doing it, and how the fm radio looks like
14:34.56cr2marajin: can i do 'dd' from nand on g1 ?
14:35.15dcordes_cr2: the same who prefer things like showing off the street view rotating to their friends over the use of free software
14:35.17marajinhell should I know, that's firmware
14:35.31marajinI meant you can install any programs you want unlike the iPhone
14:36.09dcordes_cr2: maybe they have the terminal enabled in the g1 rom. but I doubt it
14:36.14cr2dcordes_: it may have been easier to write a wince program. like skype
14:36.15NetRippercr2, aha..
14:37.07cr2NetRipper: and it should be easy to trace, as the bt uart traffic.
14:37.19cr2in haret
14:37.34NetRipperheh marajin, most people I have spoken got very anxious when i showed them the teeter game :p
14:37.43cr2dcordes_: i think it will be like a780
14:37.45NetRippercr2, oh that's good news :)
14:38.00NetRippercr2, i'd love to try to get TMC out of the fm radio
14:38.05NetRipperfrom the rds chan
14:38.25cr2NetRipper: yes, rds+gps is much more important than fm ;)
14:39.02NetRipperexactly :p
14:39.11scatterpcr2 whats the software you use to do the tracing ?
14:39.18cr2NetRipper: there is a mtype for raphael, haret needs some minor patch now.
14:39.34NetRipperoh, i should update my cvs then
14:39.37cr2and to extend the gpio .py tracer for the bank5
14:39.38NetRipperit wasnt there a few days ago
14:40.02cr2scatterp: read the haret docs
14:40.36cr2http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET_20Documentation
14:40.57NetRippercr2, cvs is not updated with a raphael mtype
14:41.08dcordes_cr2: I don't know how it is on tha a780, how do you connect/dump on it?
14:41.14cr2NetRipper: i don't have write access to haret CVS
14:41.27cr2dcordes_: i mean the software model
14:41.32NetRipperme neither, can you make a patch?
14:41.36NetRipperdiff
14:42.24cr2dcordes_: the kernel source is published, there are some binary modules (mdocg3) and the gsm radio firmware is signed with an RSA key.
14:42.56cr2NetRipper: i've not written this patch yet :)
14:43.38dcordes_cr2: I have the feeling some binary drivers are almost for sure and arm9 won't be easy to access
14:43.46NetRippercr2, you just mentioned there is an mtype for raphael, did you make it or do i misunderstand something? :)
14:44.19cr2NetRipper: get the mach-types file from armlinux
14:44.35cr2http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/download.php
14:44.39NetRipperanother haret repos?
14:44.56NetRipperohh
14:44.59NetRipperi see
14:45.06scatterpcr2 i think ive got it im going to play around with this
14:49.50cr2NetRipper: 3x4 keypad will serve 12 keys, but i think raphael/diamond have 11 keys ? the 12th (power key) should be separate
14:49.51NetRipperand the htc diamond has been there a while already
14:50.30cr2diamond is an older device
14:50.34NetRipperyes
14:50.39NetRipperbut it has no support in haret either
14:51.00cr2yes.
14:51.01NetRipperand raphael/diamond, keypad? what are you talking about
14:51.15cr2but i must have some haret log about it
14:51.50NetRipperlog saying what?
14:51.51cr2Trying to detect machine (Plat='PocketPC' OEM='HTC Touch Diamond P3700')
14:51.56NetRipperer
14:52.06NetRipperman people should commit that shit to a respository
14:52.45cr2well, we may use xanadux cvs for urgent things.
14:53.17NetRipperanyway i can add that kind of support for raphael as well, doesn't but internally it'd just refer to the MSM7500
14:53.27NetRipperi.e. adding a bare bone device description
14:53.51NetRipperin fact i already had that, but took it out as i couldnt get framebuffer to work
14:53.54NetRipperso i may try it again
14:54.15NetRipperas i saw light inthe framebuffer thing
14:54.15NetRipper;)
14:54.18cr2Detected machine Generic ARM v6/generic (Plat='PocketPC' OEM='HTC Touch Pro T7272')
14:54.38NetRipperyes, that's just because it takes the identifier from wince
14:54.45cr2this should be fixed, so it'll be detected as 7200A
14:54.59cr2there is no other sane way.
14:55.13NetRipperyea, but haret does not have specific support for 7200.. it uses the same gpio's and irq's as msm7500
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14:55.31help9111he;[
14:55.35help9111help
14:55.35cr27200 and 7500 are the same
14:55.55cr2it's A that is a bit different
14:56.17help9111has anyone in here sucessfully been able to load android using qtopia?
14:56.19NetRipperok
14:56.51NetRipperclass MachineMSM7200 : public MachineMSM7500 {
14:56.51NetRipper};
14:56.58NetRipper// XXX - assume they are the same for now.
14:57.32NetRipperi'll play around with that again
14:57.32cr2Kaiser,     MSM7200 ,Kaiser
14:57.32NetRipperyes
14:57.40cr2it's the only "supported" device
14:58.17NetRipperfor Raphael it'll probably be: Kaiser, MSM7200A, Raphael RAPH100 "HTC Touch Pro T7272"
14:58.20NetRipperer
14:58.25NetRipperRaphael instead of Kaiser obviously
14:58.38cr2and even it does not have a mtype tag
14:58.58NetRipperyea, not required
14:59.03cr2then you need a class for MSM7200A
14:59.09NetRipperyes
14:59.21NetRipperand a predefined list of gpio's and irqs
14:59.30cr2not really
14:59.36cr2it's done in .py
14:59.57cr2regs_msm.py
15:00.15cr2memalias.RegsList['ARCH:MSM7500'] = Regs_msm7500
15:00.21NetRipperi'm looking at init() in MachineMSM7500::init()
15:00.34NetRipperhm
15:01.05NetRipperi see
15:01.11cr2so we only need to define the Regs_msm7200A
15:01.15cr2with more gpios
15:01.22NetRipperthen what is the list for in the init()
15:01.26cr2for bank5
15:01.54cr2it's "default"
15:02.09cr2set ramaddr 0x10000000
15:02.17NetRipperyes
15:02.26cr2btw, on raph100 it'd be possible to boot from 0x20000000
15:02.56NetRipperto be on safe side you mean?
15:02.58cr2then wince will survive :)
15:03.13NetRipperhehe, wince may die
15:03.15cr2the SMEM will be overwritten anyway
15:03.39NetRipperand when linux boots it'll init all the mem anyway
15:04.04cr2but i guess it's a non-trivial task to allocate physical ram there.
15:04.58cr2still may be a nice task for haret
15:05.39NetRipperyou can probably make haret use that by changing the ramaddr and ramsize
15:06.05cr2i guess the .py changes +machlist.txt should be enough for tracing
15:06.35NetRipperand msm7200a class
15:06.50cr2yes
15:07.13NetRipperare there other existing haret repositories?
15:07.31cr2no
15:07.49cr2hh.org is the main
15:07.54NetRippermaybe we can contact haret author
15:07.56NetRipperto get xs
15:08.12NetRipperanyway i can also put up a temporary cvs/svn to play with
15:08.25cr2Kevin2 appears late at night sometimes
15:08.34NetRipperkevin2 is the author?
15:08.51cr2the main author
15:08.54NetRippershame on me for asking btw
15:08.55NetRipper;)
15:09.33help9111hey guys, i am using qtopia-artemis.exe to and qtopiaphone-artemis-image.rootfs.tar.bz2
15:10.04help9111i tried to modify the bz2 and include the conents of system.tar.gz and data.tar.gz from google's android
15:10.19cr2help9111: wtf does android have to do with qtopia ?
15:10.34cr2help9111: ok, now i ge it
15:11.10cr2help9111: i think it should be documented in haret, how to create the selfbootable images
15:11.17help9111and i rplaced the /sbin/init in the bz2 with the /init from the system.tar.gz file from android
15:11.40NetRippergtg, bbl
15:11.44help9111i get a kernal panic when i boot after it extracts everthing
15:12.09help9111it seems to hapen right after it says its doing somethin with init
15:12.54help9111wut do i need to do? i am abit noob at this
15:14.13help9111"i think it should be documented in haret, how to create the selfbootable images" -> can u point me in the right direction to learn this
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15:22.37MnemonicPunkSo what are the chances of someone writing a magician samsung display driver? o.o
15:28.55MnemonicPunk(I'd try it myself, I just don't  have any idea how to do that. o.o)
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15:41.47MnemonicPunkIt starts really well now. Good sound (no more stuttering), reacts to the touchscreen and all... Just the display won't do anything. =(
15:45.19scatterpcr2 if i map all these gpios will that be everything you need to make linux work ?
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15:47.19NetRipperMnemonicPunk, afaik framebuffer driver should work
15:47.24NetRipperfb_dev
15:47.35NetRipperat least works on most devices
15:47.38MnemonicPunkNetRipper: How do I tell it to use that?
15:48.04NetRipperedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf probably
15:48.11NetRipperhavent had a functional linux on my phone yet ;)
15:48.23NetRipperso not that familiar with the rootfs's
15:48.25ale22944Hi all! I've got an Htc Artemis 100 (italian), any new linux release ? Thanks
15:48.44MnemonicPunkI installed it into an image this time so no chance looking into the file structure right now.
15:49.17MnemonicPunkBut I'll try that later today. In case it works, where do I publish the changes for others to use as well?
15:50.29NetRipperMnemonicPunk, no idea
15:50.41MnemonicPunklol
15:50.55NetRipperxda devs forums?
15:50.55NetRipper:)
15:51.09MnemonicPunkOkay, if it does work I'll just annoy goxboxlive long enough to add that to his images. ;p
15:51.51NetRipper:)
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16:50.44MnemonicPunkBabelO? You had the idea of letting the device run with framebuffer display driver, right? Do you know how to achieve that?
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16:55.36SanMehatmorning
17:07.27BabelO_morning SanMehat
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17:07.45BabelO_MnemonicPunk: i see the patch for samsung somewhere but don't think it is working
17:07.53BabelO_pH5 know more
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17:12.30MnemonicPunkSomebody mentioned using the framebuffer instead. o.o
17:13.52goxboxliveMnemonicPunk: if you are able to build the kernel yourself then you just can compile it from the kernel source. AFAIR the driver is added to the source but noone has made a image with that driver yet.
17:16.09MnemonicPunkI got 2 Linux' installed on my PC, what do I need to compile the kernel?
17:17.58goxboxliveI have made a howto on the hh.org wiki page. hold on i'll find the howto
17:19.02goxboxliveMnemonicPunk: but just remember that you build for magician and not universal: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel
17:19.23MnemonicPunkThanks a lot. =)
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17:26.38marajinanyone good at ciphers?
17:30.02NetRippermathematical? not at all :)
17:30.47marajinWell, basically this: GSM 32489-24962-14863-3245489-147423-321478953-14789-24862-1475963-7415963-147456369-3245489-14789-74123654
17:33.47NetRippererm
17:33.58NetRipperso like, what's that?
17:34.10marajinI have no idea beyond the fact that it's a cipher
17:34.42NetRipperfor what?
17:34.48NetRipperimei?
17:35.05marajinI think it should translate to something plaintext but I really don
17:35.08marajin't know
17:35.11NetRipperaha
17:35.30NetRipperbase 10 to base 26 translation? ;)
17:36.01MnemonicPunkWho makes up those bases? o.O
17:36.22marajin10 is standard numeric, 26 is the number of letters in the english alphabet
17:36.26SanMehatre:
17:36.29NetRippersomeone that the base are belongs to
17:36.30marajinhey SanMehat
17:36.37paulproteusMnemonicPunk, What's your status?  I just got back after a few days.
17:36.49MnemonicPunk"ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US"?
17:37.08tcccperm
17:37.18tcccpI have seen guys in #iraq saying so ;)
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17:37.43tcccpMnemonicPunk: #iraq: All your base are belong to u.s.
17:37.49NetRipperhehe
17:37.57MnemonicPunkpaulproteus: Still won't run but with the help of some of the folks here I may be able to do it. xD
17:38.17MnemonicPunktcccp: I see we have bash.org readers around. ^^
17:38.39tcccpsort of
17:39.28MnemonicPunkThe iraq one is true, though. ^^
17:39.40NetRippernot at all
17:39.58NetRippernetherlands own u.s. so in fact we own all iraqs base
17:40.26MnemonicPunkReminds me of that T-Shirt I saw the other day: "US World Domination Tour - bombing a country near you" ^^
17:40.37marajinQuite a few countries combined own the US at the moment
17:41.00marajinas my friend said, 'Well it's one way for the brits to win the war of independance, just wait a few hundred years and then buy the bloody country back'
17:41.31MnemonicPunkThere was that awesome letter by John Cleese.
17:41.36MnemonicPunkLet me see if I find the link.
17:42.08MnemonicPunkHere: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blrevocation_cleese.htm
17:46.18MnemonicPunkgoxboxlive? There's no htcmagician_defconfig, does it have a different name?
17:46.58MnemonicPunknvm, found it
17:47.25help9111can anyone help me get android to run on my htc artemis?
17:50.21help9111does anyone here have an htc artemis?
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17:56.33MnemonicPunkSorry to say that goxboxlive but I think I still need your help.When I try to compile it says "make: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: command not found", any idea what causes that?
18:02.30GPFerrorarm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc is not in your path, or not installed
18:04.26MnemonicPunkHm.
18:04.55MnemonicPunkThe package I downloaded is eabi. I guess eabi and gnuabi differ somehow?
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18:10.55eTiger13how do i get haret to run without having to click the run button?
18:11.28imfloflohello everyone
18:13.50MnemonicPunkeTiger13: Instead of using the default.txt, create a file called startup.txt in the same folder.
18:14.16MnemonicPunkeTiger13: It'll behave the same only that it automatically executes the script as soon as you start haret
18:15.48MnemonicPunkKernel won't compile, doesn't find its files. =(
18:16.03MnemonicPunkBe back in an hour, hope someone might be willing to assist me then. =)
18:19.35eTiger13do i need default and startup?
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18:21.16ali1234eTiger13: i dont think so, just rename default.txt to startup.txt
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18:21.29ali1234but let us know if it works, for future reference, k?
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18:24.50cr2suse is solid and reliable
18:24.56cr2Xorg[26822]: segfault at 1b8 ip 54e3a5 sp 7fff8cac1810 error 4 in Xorg[400000+1bf000]
18:25.10ali1234cr2: you are being sarcastic right?
18:29.19eTiger13last time i tried just renaming it, it didnt work
18:30.01eTiger13oh wait now its working
18:31.53ali1234sometimes, on some machines, haret can be a bit flakey, and nobody really seems to know why
18:32.30ali1234if you get hangs, best to try it a few times just in case
18:36.45kiozendiogene31_: I have made it a bit easier to center to a map not at your current location
18:36.52kiozendiogene31_: svn up M
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18:46.25goxboxliveMnemonicPunk: follow the guide and you wil make it. Remember to export path to the crosscompilers bin directory.
18:47.05goxboxlivemaybe it is named magician_defconfig . I dont remeber, it's so long time since i tried
18:47.29goxboxlivealso remember to add the samsung driver, i think it is topoly default
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19:05.43imfloflohello
19:05.55imflofloready to test polaris zimage ^^
19:09.16dcordesimfloflo: didn't look at the polaris on screen keyboard yet
19:14.48diogene31_kiozen: OK. Will do it a bit later, I'm working on calendar sync ATM.
19:15.12kiozendiogene31_: no rush :)
19:23.13imfloflodcordes: i 'll wait :p
19:24.41MnemonicPunkI can't find the driver. o.o
19:25.21dcordesMnemonicPunk: which driver? what are you doing?
19:26.30MnemonicPunkI'm trying to find a certain display driver for the magician. But I don't know where it is. ^^
19:26.43MnemonicPunkThe other problem is: I can't compile.
19:30.58dcordesMnemonicPunk: are you working in the hh.org tree?
19:32.55MnemonicPunkIt says something about version hh20.
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19:34.01ricky90good evening
19:34.33ricky90I've got this problem: the booting on himalaya hangs on "starting portmap daemon: portmap"
19:38.21imfloflodcordes : if you want to test some new things i'm op
19:40.11ricky90... and
19:40.53ricky90probably I have also the solution, because one on the forum had my same problem and resolved it:
19:41.06ricky90"I modified the startup file to start /bin/sh instead of init and got a root shell prompt after the kernel boot."
19:41.51ricky90so I've changed init=/linuxrc to init=/bin/sh
19:41.59ricky90and It doesn't work
19:42.31dcordesMnemonicPunk: what's your problem with compiling? can you pastebin the error you get?
19:42.45dcordesMnemonicPunk: and which particular driver are you looking for?
19:43.41dcordesricky90: what distro?
19:43.50dcordesricky90: maybe try init=/sbin/init ?
19:44.09MnemonicPunkThere seems to be a second graphics driver for the HTC Magician that would work with my device.
19:44.15ricky90no distro, only linux kernel http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaLinuxBooting
19:44.50ricky90ok I'll try /sbin/init
19:45.47dcordesricky90: I made some build for himalaya a while ago: http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/index.php?path=himalaya/
19:45.56dcordesbut it doesn't do much iirc
19:46.15ricky90thank you a lot!
19:46.33dcordesricky90: did you try to wait a few minutes for portmap daemon to start?
19:46.45ricky90yes
19:46.56ricky90after the screen become all black
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19:47.16dcordesricky90: maybe your filesystem is broken
19:47.33ricky90it's my new SD but....
19:48.00ricky90probably... I don't know
19:48.36MnemonicPunkIt hink this line is wrong: "make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- " What should I put there?
19:49.19MnemonicPunk(The directories are in my path but the prefix looks totally wrong to me.)
19:49.49BabelOkiozen: around ? i have some mathematical problem ...
19:50.17kiozenBabelO: oui
19:51.48ricky90however with /sbin/init it's the same thing (hangs on portmap)
19:52.40dcordesMnemonicPunk: change the prefix name to match your toolchain then.
19:53.13dcordesMnemonicPunk: if it's not in the working directory, but in an additional subdir, you must specify the subdirectory/pre-fix-
19:54.06MnemonicPunkI tried that just yet. now it says  scripts/mod/sumversion.c:384: Error: »PATH_MAX« undeclared
19:55.48MnemonicPunkIn function "get_src_version", can I set that manually?
19:58.43dcordesMnemonicPunk: hm don't know. I didn't have to set that in hh.org tree while building for blueangel and hima
20:01.00ricky90drcodes: I've tried your build
20:01.13ricky90drcodes: it's a very ugly kernel panic
20:02.36ricky90but one part of the screen is covered by a white rectangle, but this was also with the normal build
20:03.26ricky90so I can read only "not syncing: VFS: Unable to mo... -white rectangle- on unknown-block (254,2)
20:03.53ricky90do you think is the filesystem?
20:04.04dcordesshrugs
20:04.32dcordesricky90: 254, 2 will be sd. extract the rootfs to the second partition of yours d card
20:04.39dcordes(x11-hima..)
20:05.01ricky90ahem...
20:05.06ricky90:D
20:05.17dcordesricky90: look in the default.txt: it tells haret to use "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5"
20:05.20dcordesas cmdline
20:08.34cr2BabelO: M for wince ?
20:09.00kiozencr2: shhh, he is bussy finding lines...
20:09.28BabelOlol, yes lines :)
20:09.43BabelOcr2: it seem that proj-4.6 is failing for wince
20:10.21MnemonicPunkShould I just checkout again?
20:11.18cr2BabelO: strange, it's pure math there
20:11.35BabelOcr2: yes
20:11.50BabelOgdal is ok with the wince sdk and patch
20:11.53BabelObut not proj
20:12.04ricky90drcodes: sorry about this, I'll try tomorrow
20:12.12ricky90see you guys
20:13.25dcordesMnemonicPunk: did you deploy a defconfig?
20:13.42MnemonicPunkYes.
20:13.50MnemonicPunkmagician_defconfig
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20:28.09MnemonicPunkAfter adding "#define PATH_MAX        4096" to modsources.c it *seems* to compile
20:33.47dcordesnice
20:34.21MnemonicPunkDone. Hm. ^^
20:34.25MnemonicPunkLet's see.
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20:39.51dcordesBabelO: how is the 1000h outdoors during daytime? can you see much?
20:42.14BabelOdcordes: what do you mean ?
20:42.28BabelOdcordes: with the sun on the screen ?
20:43.03BabelOit is like my Desktop Dell LCD at office, i can see the screen , not like newer LCD device that are like a glass
20:43.07BabelOor a mirror
20:47.37dcordesthat's good
20:49.07BabelOdcordes: yes, view angle is good too from right to left, but minor from up to down
20:52.41MnemonicPunkI got the screen working! =)
20:53.43BabelOMnemonicPunk: latest hh kernel ?
20:54.04MnemonicPunkShould be. I just got it from CVS.
20:54.53MnemonicPunkNow it fails to mount the root fs but at least I got a step further. ^-^
20:55.35MnemonicPunkIs it "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" or "root=/mmcblk0p2"?
20:57.44tmzt_/dev/mmcblk0p2
20:57.47MnemonicPunkIt says it can't find the root partition. o.o
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21:01.44snake_schulecr2 ?
21:03.44dcordeslol, people trying to autopilot their rc plane with beetles. funny part is, they are using wince http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A729
21:04.53snakefreakrofl^^
21:06.11dcordesvery absurd
21:08.45MnemonicPunko.O
21:08.49MnemonicPunkWinCE Beetles?
21:10.31dcordesMnemonicPunk: look in your hh.org tree there should be a machine type
21:13.24MnemonicPunkMy current error is: VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0ps" or unknown block (254, 2)
21:13.42MnemonicPunkI mean 0p2
21:13.42MnemonicPunkxD
21:15.15dcordesit looks for the root filesystem on the second partition of the sd card
21:15.18snakefreakwhat you ar try to voot how is your card formated?
21:15.41snakefreaklol are and what
21:15.41dcordes(and doesn't find the second partition of the sd card)
21:16.02snakefreaki think same as decordes
21:16.48snakefreakhow your card is partition (iert)
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21:27.59MnemonicPunk1Internet died. =( Did I miss any suggestions for my problem=
21:27.59MnemonicPunk1?
21:28.13snakefreakcr2 do you know how to boot debian eabi on universal with rotfs as img file? i have created file. but jumping to kernel error. ( qtopia all in one harret exe without startup.txt) how can i boot a img rot fs with harret and startup.txt
21:28.35snakefreak23:15 dcordes • it looks for the root filesystem on the second partition of the sd card
21:28.37snakefreak23:15 snakefreak • what you ar try to voot how is your card formated?
21:28.39snakefreak23:16 snakefreak • lol are and what
21:28.41snakefreak23:16 dcordes • (and doesn't find the second partition of the sd card)
21:28.43snakefreak23:16 snakefreak • i think same as decordes
21:28.45snakefreak23:17 snakefreak • how your card is partition (iert)
21:30.04tmzt_snakefreak: do you have a zImage?
21:30.17MnemonicPunk(23:17:07) MnemonicPunk: My card is formatted to p1: fat32 and p2: ext3
21:30.32MnemonicPunkI'm trying to boot from second partition.
21:30.43MnemonicPunkIf I use FAT instead, will that work without modules?
21:30.47MnemonicPunkOr ext2?
21:31.02snakefreaktmzt_ yes
21:31.21tmzt_snakefreak: are you trying to boot the debian image or the qtopia?
21:32.02snakefreakMnemonic you can try ext2. but i think it shopuld running with ext3 to.
21:32.31MnemonicPunkset CMDLINE "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 rootdelay=1"
21:32.35MnemonicPunkIs that line okay?
21:33.37snakefreaktmzt i have maked a img rotfs with the qtopia exe from htcpxa i have renamed thy debian xxxx.tar.bz2 to qtopia tar.bz2 name and now i have a img^^
21:34.12snakefreakMnemonic i think yes.
21:34.41MnemonicPunkIt says something about VFS being unable to open the block device.
21:35.17tmzt_snakefreak: are you trying to use the initrd from the qtopia .exe to extract the .tar.bz2 then?
21:35.56tmzt_snakefreak: if you have zImage (has to be eabi) and a .tar.bz2, you should be able to extract that to your second partition yourself (from linux)
21:36.42snakefreaktmzt_ yes i know but i have not a cardreader compatible to linux
21:37.09snakefreakand partition the card is not what i want.
21:37.37snakefreaki try to find best linux for me and so i try to run with img files
21:37.45tmzt_that .tar.bz2 has to be extracted to a second partition with .exe bundles
21:37.52MnemonicPunkCan I boot Linux from a FAT32?
21:38.23tmzt_sorry, the .exe extracts the .tar.bz2 on the fat partition to the second (ext2) partition
21:39.13snakefreakhttp://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcuniversal/images/Qtopia/
21:39.33snakefreakthis makes a img file on fat and run the os.
21:39.49snakefreaki whant to run eabi debian on the same way.
21:39.55snakefreak-h
21:40.18tmzt_the file is actually an ext2 filesystem image then, not a .tar.bz2?
21:41.12tmzt_are these instructions dcordes's?
21:41.47tmzt_no, they're older
21:42.32tmzt_if you want debian eabi on universal you might look at "Titchy Mobile"
21:42.47tmzt_this kernel wouldn't support eabi
21:45.21MnemonicPunkwtf
21:45.23snakefreaksnakefreak.pytalhost.de/linux.jpg
21:45.34MnemonicPunkI switched to EXT2 for the second partition.
21:45.38MnemonicPunkStill won't work. o.o
21:46.21snakefreakMnemonic i dont have a other idea
21:46.41snakefreakhttp://snakefreak.pytalhost.de/linux.jpg
21:47.22snakefreakarg
21:47.52tmzt_so you have .img on your fat partition now?
21:48.20snakefreaknow i want to boot via harret but i dont know how to set rootdevice in startup.txt
21:48.25snakefreakyes
21:52.26snakefreaki think the qtopia-htcuni.exe
21:53.16snakefreakcontains a startup.txt or so far. and i musst know what the command set as root device^^
21:56.55tmzt_dcordes: where's the oe sources for hh.org kernel, I know I've seen this before
21:57.11tmzt_dcordes: or, what's the command line to boot from an image?
21:59.55MnemonicPunkI'd like to know that, too. xD
22:04.56tmzt_snakefreak: did you try rootimage= ?
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22:05.06snakefreakno.
22:05.17snakefreaki will do wait secound
22:05.44MnemonicPunkOne question: In the xconfig menu, what do the symbols left of the icons mean?
22:05.55wasupso how long till we get all the G1 stuff on our phones? :P
22:06.13wasupthe phone looks soooo sick
22:06.17MnemonicPunk3 days before it is released? ;p
22:06.48wasupsomeone will leak it...
22:06.50MnemonicPunkMost of the G1 stuff already exists, only without the Google branding.
22:06.51wasuphopefully
22:07.10wasupnah...but will it allow us to complete flash our phones?
22:07.14wasupto android
22:07.53MnemonicPunk"We are Google. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."
22:08.45MnemonicPunkCan I format my 2nd partition as FAT and boot from there?
22:08.54MnemonicPunkOr does Linux not support that?
22:09.13wasuphahaha...has anyone seen ali1234?
22:09.32tmzt_it won't support it as a root filesystem, because no permissions or special files (devices)
22:09.49MnemonicPunkOkay.
22:10.02cr2wasup: as long as we have the g1 source, it does not matter if it's sick of not.
22:10.23MnemonicPunkSo is there a way to compile the kernel with ext2/ext3 support compiled in and not as modules?
22:10.44tmzt_snakefreak: try that, also try rootdevice=/dev/mmcblkp2 root=<image>
22:11.06cr2Kevin2: are you somewhere around ?
22:11.19wasupok... so we will never be able to say goodbye to windows mobile?
22:11.20snakefreakfirst not run
22:11.20tmzt_you can change .config, or use menuconfig, xconfig, qconfig to change the filesystem to Y instead of M
22:11.56snakefreakerror: please append a correct "root=" boot option
22:12.19tmzt_snakefreak: do you have "set KERNEL" "set CMDLINE" lines?
22:12.30MnemonicPunkY instead of M?
22:12.35tmzt_yes
22:13.06MnemonicPunkM means module?
22:13.18tmzt_yes
22:13.23snakefreakset kernel "zImage"
22:13.23snakefreakset mtype "855"
22:13.23snakefreakset cmdline "root=qtopia.linux.img rw console=tty0 rootdelay=5 fbcon=rotate:1"
22:13.23snakefreakboot2
22:13.40MnemonicPunkIn xconfig terms... what is the triangle and what is the dot? xD
22:13.46tmzt_add rootdevice=/dev/mmcblk0p2 to cmdline
22:14.21tmzt_MnemonicPunk: don't know, just look for EXT2 in .config and see if its =y
22:14.34MnemonicPunkOkay.
22:14.49wasupso now one has seen ali1234? how about ginge?
22:17.52tmzt_snakefreak: what kernel are you using again?
22:21.48snakefreakmoment
22:24.18tmzt_root=/dev/loop looproot=/dev/mmcblk0p2:/image.img
22:25.24tmzt_that's from initramfs-module-bootmenu in oe git
22:26.04snakefreaki try wait secound
22:26.07snakefreak-u
22:30.27wasupso....could anyone tell me why android won't boot on my phone anymore?
22:30.35wasupfailed to mount sd card
22:30.36snakefreakVFS: cannot open root device "loop"
22:30.51tmzt_you have /dev/loop?
22:31.39snakefreakin the img file?
22:31.48tmzt_you're kernel might not use that boot loader then
22:31.52tmzt_no, on the cmdline
22:32.45snakefreakyes
22:33.08tmzt_can you find another handhelds zImage for universal?
22:34.33snakefreakits not from hh.org
22:35.04snakefreakits from : http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing_Debian
22:35.45tmzt_then you might need an initramfs to mount a image as root
22:36.21NetRippercr2, didn't need to kill any application to make the framebuffer work... i just tried putting fb_clear() above take_control() (in linboot.cpp) and adding a sleep of a second, this makes it clear the screen... it just hangs on the take_control() though
22:37.26snakefreakanyone knows how is the minimum card size for debianon universal? does mmc work too?
22:37.45NetRippercr2, added raphael and a MSM7201A arch, and trying to add a vga font as well to make it more readable
22:38.39dcordesNetRipper: you can boot raph?
22:38.43NetRipperno
22:38.50tmzt_snakefreak: did you get a console on that qtopialinux.exe, and how big is your memory card?
22:39.03NetRipperit hangs after go go go, on the take_control()
22:39.09NetRipper(it disables interrupts there)
22:39.51tmzt_dcordes: is there a zImage and console-image initrd for uni?
22:39.52dcordesNetRipper: did you see the diamond threat where some people detail their thoughts on the boot problem?
22:40.08snakefreakconsole via usb network with the pc? i havent tried because i dont know how. my card has 4gb is not a sdhc.
22:40.13NetRipperdcordes, [PRJ][OS]Linux and Android on HTC Diamond
22:40.17NetRipperdcordes, that one?
22:40.19dcordestmzt_: I only know the pxa builds from linuxotog.org/~htcpxa
22:40.22dcordesNetRipper: I thinks o
22:40.55NetRipperdcordes, yes and i've responded a few times there too, im subscribed to it, so just keeping an eye in case something interesting pops up
22:41.10dcordesok
22:41.24snakefreakdcordes
22:41.35snakefreakhow is the image booted?
22:41.38tmzt_you can try the Titchy zImage and an installer image from ftp.us.debian.org/debian for one of the old ipaqs
22:41.50dcordessnakefreak: what image on which device?
22:42.02snakefreakqtopia-htcuniversal. exe is a harret + startup.txt + zimage right?
22:42.40dcordessnakefreak: probably. there should be some haret documentation detailing the auto thing
22:42.43tmzt_dcordes: if I understand it right, snakefreak is trying to install debian eabi on uni without a linux-compatible card reader
22:42.49dcordessnakefreak: I never tried it myself
22:43.23dcordessnakefreak: oh that's not a good idea. get a 5€ card reader at saturn/media markt/aldi
22:43.40snakefreakhehe^^
22:45.57snakefreakdcordes es ist aber dennoch interresant wie es funktioniert.
22:46.25snakefreakbut its intressting how it works to boot an img file.
22:47.56MnemonicPunkCould you add that to the wiki=
22:47.57MnemonicPunk?
22:48.15dcordes^^
22:50.53MnemonicPunkHm. I still can't get it to recognize its own second partition. Why can that happen?
22:52.30dcordesthe SD driver is not built in, but a module or is bogus, you use a filesystem with a driver not kernel built in, ..
22:53.16snakefreaklooked the qtopia loader exe in hex editor.
22:53.22snakefreakand found this:
22:53.24snakefreak#set CMDLINE "psplash=true console=tty0 fbcon=rotate:1"
22:53.24snakefreakset CMDLINE "psplash=true installprefix=qtopia.linux console=tty0 fbcon=rotate:1"
22:53.24snakefreakramboot
22:56.27snakefreakbut i think thats the part where the image is created
22:56.59tmzt_snakefreak: the only suggestion I can give you is to do the install manually from an initrd console image
22:58.05tmzt_the image is created after linux boots, not by the .exe
22:59.05snakefreakyes i think thats the best way. but now iam intrested in image boot. laughting
22:59.14snakefreakhm ok i try the cmdline i found in the exe
23:02.01snakefreakah now it comes clear. harret --> zimage ----> image. so it looks for me in the qtopia loader.exe
23:03.14snakefreakand my debian zimage is not captable to boot an *.img or searching the root on the wrong place
23:06.13NetRippercr2, ignore my last statement, it's not hanging at take_control(), it's hanging at the "Turning off MMU..." message, after which the tampoline is executed
23:06.44snakefreakwho has made the exe? kevin2 right?
23:06.45NetRipperfor some reason it needs a Sleep() before the fb_print messages are actually printed to display
23:08.31dcordesNetRipper: did you think about the approach swetland suggested (can be found in the above mentioned thread)
23:09.04cr2NetRipper: have you modified haret already ?
23:09.12NetRippercr2, yes i have
23:09.12cr2NetRipper: i'm trying to recompile cegcc
23:09.15NetRipperdcordes, let me look
23:09.32NetRippercr2, you want a diff?
23:09.33cr2NetRipper: ok, so can you trace the 4 gpio banks ?
23:09.43cr2no, i don't have the compiler
23:09.56cr2imho, youd send the diff to Kevin2 and to the haret ML
23:10.17NetRipperwell it has no gpios or irqs filled in yet
23:10.43NetRipperdon't know how to enter those values
23:11.20cr2it's the same as on 7200
23:11.20cr2for the first 4 banks
23:11.46cr2you dont need to compile them in, but then you'd execute these commands in some other way
23:12.43NetRipperthe addlist gpios commands?
23:14.59NetRippercr2, how do i trace the gpio banks?
23:15.22cr2watch gpios N
23:15.24NetRipper(phone is booting in the meanwhile)
23:15.35cr2yes, the addlist first
23:16.13cr2you can just copy the 7500 code
23:16.30cr2i#ll add bank5 later
23:17.08NetRippercr2, ok, you want the output of that?
23:17.36cr2do you run ./console ?
23:17.53NetRippertelnetted to haret
23:18.28cr2run console, it will reduce the amount of junk
23:18.42NetRipperwhat's console?
23:18.43cr2then you can compare http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Raphael_GPIO
23:18.49cr2haretconsole/
23:19.42NetRipperk
23:19.48NetRipperthen erm
23:20.05NetRipperi have my phone connected to my windows
23:20.06NetRipperlol
23:20.11NetRipperno python here
23:21.01cr2ok
23:21.28NetRipperah ok
23:21.36NetRipperluckly my linux recognizes the rn dis
23:21.46cr2i'm recompiling gcc
23:23.00NetRipperarf bug on my ubuntu, it loses its ip when connected to rndis
23:23.15tmzt_disable NetworkManager
23:23.19NetRipperanyway i have to go in a few moments
23:23.23NetRipperok
23:23.24tmzt_then dhclient eth0/
23:23.28tmzt_or whatever
23:30.08NetRipperdisabling networkmanager helped, but still problem connecting
23:30.15NetRipperjust starting my laptop
23:30.18NetRipperworked on there
23:47.29dcordesmysterious people are collecting money for the kaiser kernel in the xda forums
23:48.15NetRippercr2, so, i used console now, output seems same as using telnet though
23:48.37NetRipperoh thats not true
23:48.39NetRipperits a bit more verbose
23:56.05Kevin2cr2: still around?
23:57.43NetRippercr2, http://www.netripper.nl/raphael/
23:57.45NetRipperhey Kevin2
23:58.15NetRipperKevin2, fyi, im playing a bit with haret code to add msm7201a support
23:58.41NetRipperon the link above i just put a cvs diff so far... still contains crap and test code
23:59.37NetRippernot a proper diff i see

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