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11:40.42marajinyo
11:40.45marajinginge: 'lo there
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11:47.36marajin'lo BabelO_
11:49.20BabelO_hi marajin
11:54.11BabelO_kiozen: GT is a little too big for 1024x600
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12:12.11kiozenBabelO_: nooo 1024x600 is just a litlle too small ;)
12:12.44kiozenBabelO_: btw svn up, waypoint icons in profile graph
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12:13.35dcordesginge, are you around?
12:14.33marajindcordes: he seems to be idle
12:18.00BabelO_kiozen: ok good
12:18.35marajinkiozen: Lies! my UMPC is 1024x600, it should be an accepted resolution!
12:20.17kiozenmarajin: 1024x600 is just like  tree quaters of a pint. would you accept such a beer in the pub?
12:21.19marajinkiozen: On a 7" screen, yes because my eyes would hurt if it were more :P
12:22.00marajinwhat're you guys working on anyway? I always got the vague impression it was some kinda GPS nav software
12:22.23kiozenmarajin: 7'', this misses a 1 in the right place ;)
12:22.46marajinkiozen: Oh hush, I like my little umpc.
12:23.08BabelO_kiozen: there is a 1024x768 compressed mode under windows xp, but i did not get it to run under linux
12:23.20kiozenmarajin: yes it's an application pair, M is for mobile devices and GT is the pc counterpart
12:23.24BabelO_kiozen: any way in this mode image is deformed
12:23.45kiozenBabelO_: what image? the map
12:23.45marajinaaah, tsk tsk, bad rendering if you don't account for aspect ratio
12:23.46kiozen?
12:24.29BabelO_kiozen: the display
12:25.06kiozenYou mean the left hand stuff?
12:25.39BabelO_kiozen: wait i m on it i show you a picture in few minutes
12:26.15kiozenwell, this gets more and more crowded. what about closing the mid splitter, the "Currently there is...." stuff
12:26.40kiozenjust minimize it until it snaps to zero
12:26.53marajinI'd be curious to see that software sometime I guess
12:27.07marajinI was looking for some gps software to run on the UMPC
12:30.33kiozenmarajin: yes, but it's raster map based. no routing with that kind of maps
12:30.52kiozenmarajin: but raster maps are much more detailed if you leave roads
12:31.28kiozenbut maybe one day we do a real routable OSM overlay
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12:39.01kiozenBabelO_: you have got that screenshot?
12:44.52BabelO_kiozen: yes doing it right now
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12:51.00BabelO_kiozen: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/GT_on_eeePC.png
12:53.41kiozenBabelO_: close the middle splitter, with the device combobox and the element overview
12:54.48BabelO_kiozen yes, if i reduce the gps device part, it is ok :)
12:55.08kiozenBabelO_: you don't need that one anyway
12:55.19BabelO_kiozen: why ? :)
12:56.04kiozenBabelO_: because you do not have a garmin, choose M in the setup and that's it, you do not have to switch between devices
12:56.25BabelO_kiozen: ok
12:56.44kiozenBabelO_: and the overview sentence is just fo dummies
12:58.45kiozenBabelO_: the screenshot looks small on my 30'' screen :)
12:59.12BabelO_kiozen: lol
12:59.49marajinkiozen: yeah it'd still be cool though to have a look at though
13:00.30BabelO_kiozen: i m at office, i have setup kvpnc to connect to my home network, so eeePC is near the 19" display and i share it using synergy2 software :)
13:01.50kiozenlol, why do things the easy way?
13:02.30marajinkiozen: cause the easy way is the boring way ;)
13:02.34kiozenBabelO_: did you try live log already
13:02.41kiozenmarajin: I know :)
13:03.03BabelO_no, but i can, i ve setup gpsdrive on eeePC, so i can try livelog in GT
13:03.36kiozenBabelO_: the shot looks nice, think I have to work on the WAF of the eee
13:04.47BabelO_kiozen: yes it is usable, but some kde4 and standard application does not fit in 1024x600 :(
13:05.11kiozenBabelO_: you use kde4? not kde3
13:05.55marajinthat's definitely KDE4
13:06.28BabelO_kiozen: yes that's opensuse 11 with kde4
13:06.37marajinI use KDE4 for my Vye too
13:06.40BabelO_kiozen: on my desktop too
13:06.50marajinkubuntu-kde4remix I installed, it works very well
13:06.55marajinbut as you say
13:06.58marajinsometimes things don't fit
13:07.13kiozenI tried it, but except the eyecandy it was not really usable
13:07.20BabelO_marajin: do you manage to get the 1024x600 compressed mode working under linux ?
13:07.26BabelO_is it only modeline ?
13:07.41marajinBabelO_: you mean 1024x768?
13:08.02marajinBabelO_: My Vye works only in 800x600 or 1024x600. Unless I do some software fubaring
13:08.30BabelO_marajin: sorry, yes 1024x768 compressed mode, it works well on winXP but slowly
13:09.04marajinthe vye comes with vista and it only has 800x600 for 4:3 aspect
13:09.28marajinin theory you could scale 1024x768 to 1024x600 in a software layer but that'd be slow yeah
13:09.37marajinwhat graphics does the ee have?
13:09.38marajin*eee
13:13.38BabelO_marajin: intel 945 GME i think
13:13.48marajinhmm
13:13.56marajinshould be the same chipset more or less then
13:14.09BabelO_Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03
13:15.10marajinyeah
13:15.34marajinpossibly mine feeds more RAM to the GPU though
13:15.48marajinI've heard aero on Vista is a nono with eees?
13:16.59BabelO_marajin: kde4 with composite and effect works well on eee
13:18.08marajinyeah
13:18.18marajinbut the effects on linux are less hardware demanding
13:28.52BabelO_marajin: mine send 128Mb ram for video
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13:30.04marajinBabelO_: yeah. I think aero needs 256 or something?
13:30.16marajinhmm not sure, cause aero works on my Mac Mini and that should be the same chipset too
13:31.32marajinBabelO_: maybe not, apparently my mac mini is shifting 224MB to the graphics in total
13:32.29BabelO_marajin: HTC Shift run Vista :)
13:32.57marajinhmm, wow, my vye is giving a full 251MB to the video
13:33.04marajinincluding 64MB of dedicated VRAM
14:01.24BabelO_~wikipedia Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything
14:01.37BabelO_yeah 42 !
14:02.20kiozenBabelO_: apt did say anything about 42 :)
14:02.29kiozens/did/didn't/
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14:05.24BabelO_apt :what is Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything ?
14:05.26aptBabelO_: what are you talking about?
14:05.42kiozenlol
14:05.54BabelO_need to add same calc than google :) timriker got apt saying 42 :)
14:06.01kiozendidn't we train it a few months ago
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14:10.40dcordes_it sounds familiar. I think he should know it
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14:47.20psyco18morning all
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15:16.06BabelO_hey kiozen
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15:31.09kiozenBabelO_: ?
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15:32.00BabelO_kiozen: compiled new GT :)
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15:32.58kiozenfeels like being at school again, wrap brooks, check homework... and he was so happy the last 18 years :/
15:33.23kiozenBabelO_: you see the icons in the profile?
15:33.43BabelO_kiozen: no, have to do a new track i think
15:35.37kiozenBabelO_: just place a waypoint <20m from the track
15:35.55kiozenyou can use the distance tool to create a track
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15:54.12BabelO_kiozen: perfect :)
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16:00.21kiozenBabelO_: sure ;)
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16:08.49BabelO_kiozen: it is really nice like this :) look zt the screenshot :)
16:12.59BabelO_kiozen: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/GT_Waypointprofil.png
16:14.05kiozennow just a zoom is missing :)
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18:19.31gingeyou
18:19.35gingeoops
18:19.42gingeerrr... so hi :)
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18:24.48gingerofl my gf wrote a blog entry http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/?q=node/114
18:28.01DasFxnice entry
18:28.23gingeI am a lucky man :)
18:28.41DasFxexcept, she didnt drop by the IT department i work at, bunch a wankers they are :p
18:28.52ginge:)
18:28.56DasFxbut if i were you, would come home at 3am sometimes, completely wasted :)
18:29.16gingelol
18:29.58dcordes_ginge, I've seen that :) can I bugger you with a question about one of your diffs?
18:30.10gingesure
18:30.44DasFxso your a manc ?
18:30.51DasFxyou're
18:30.55gingeadoptec manc
18:31.03gingeadopted even
18:31.22DasFxthats some kind of an excuse :)
18:31.34gingeWell, I tried ;)
18:32.00dcordes_ginge, headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/git-diff-2.6.25-040908.diff does that have the fbsize and fb_grab you tested the non-android-gui things in?
18:32.08SanMehatre:
18:32.08dcordes_ginge, I remember you tried that gizzard thing once
18:32.08gingedcordes_: though I am not sure about the buggery part!
18:33.54gingedcordes_: doh
18:33.57dcordes_oops that was the wrong word I guess :)
18:34.45gingedcordes_: ...
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18:35.07ginge-// #define MSM_FB_SIZE  0x9b000
18:35.07ginge-#define MSM_FB_SIZE  0x56000
18:35.07ginge+#define MSM_FB_SIZE  0x9b000
18:36.43dcordes_so 0x9b000 is the fbsize X needs?
18:37.01gingeyeah 9b000. gizzard didnt work
18:37.21gingesomething doesnt look right with this diff...
18:37.32gingelet me just make sure I actually generated teh right diff
18:38.56gingedcordes_:  hmm. can you compile it up and test it.
18:39.11gingedcordes_: I can't get onto my build server
18:40.05gingeit looks like the right code.... you can tell because it is a joke
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18:43.57gingedcordes_: you can disable the panning in the fb driver by removing the define (#PANNING) at the top of msm_fb.c At some point we should make it a menu config item, but we need to test to make sure it does what it is supposed to.
18:45.10dcordes_ok then we could also put the correct fbsize for non android with that kconfig
18:47.08dcordes_I don't know if it will be easy to test because I have the debug mmc code
18:51.01dcordes_I'll first make a build and see what the code does I have locally now
18:51.14dcordes_..which is based on that diff
18:51.41dcordes_not sure hwat I did to the mmc debug and fb things though
18:54.54gingedcordes_: that patch I posted yesterday has the mmc debug disabled, and should work
18:55.36gingedcordes_: as soon as I get this server to get past grub, I will be right on it
18:58.57dcordes_ok I reset my htc-2.6.25 branch and put that patch
18:59.15gingedont forget to change the fb size :)
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19:11.00dcordes_ginge, it's changed already in your diff from yesterday:   "#define MSM_FB_SIZE0x9b000"
19:11.15gingeoh, ok
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19:25.53dcordes_ginge, how do you test the sd again? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/card/test ?
19:26.11gingethat would do it
19:26.38gingeyou might want to specify a size too
19:29.28gingeI use this in my test script; dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=10000
19:29.34gingewrites a 10MB file
19:30.19gingeof= is in there too
19:30.50gingedd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=10000 of=/sdcard/test
19:31.36dcordes_ok.. did you try different filesystems btw?
19:32.01gingevfat and ext2
19:33.43dcordes_I wrote 10M fine (no errors) to ext2. then attempted to write 100M to the same file and the usual error appeared ending with error datamover stalled, status 0
19:34.28gingeok, how big is the file it wrote? abot 27MB?
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19:36.19dcordes_12.1M
19:36.30gingehmm. thats a new one on me
19:36.37dcordes_shall I reboot and retry?
19:36.42gingewhen I try it it either works or writes 27MB
19:36.44cr2hi
19:36.46gingedepending on load
19:36.51gingeyeah, reboot
19:36.55dcordes_hi cr2
19:36.55dcordes_ok
19:36.56gingecr2: hi
19:37.14cr2the FM/RDS on raphael works over bt...
19:37.58dcordes_you got one?
19:39.02cr2not yet. but i've looked at the spl/nk.exe
19:39.27cr2touchscreen is a tsc2003
19:39.43dcordes_nice, so the kaiser driver will work.
19:39.45cr2there are 2 microcontrollers
19:40.03cr2one may be for the keyboard.
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19:40.30dcordes_two touchscreen controllers?
19:40.48cr2yes, but since it's an A cpu, the kaiser kernel will not work
19:41.00cr2no, 2 microcontrollers in the device.
19:41.36cr2it seems that is has a TV (fbas/l/r) output
19:41.43dcordes_ok. do you think one should use the halibut code as a base for the raphael and polaris?
19:41.53cr2polaris ?
19:41.56cr2diamond.
19:41.58dcordes_s/polaris/diamond/
19:42.02cr2ok
19:42.09dcordes_marbalon did that approach (without any result yet because diamond/raphael can't boot)
19:42.12cr2yes.
19:42.35cr2no result == no LCD output ?
19:43.50ALoGeNohi
19:43.52dcordes_cr2, I think Espenfjo mentioned he saw some output on the lcd. but I'm not sure. there is this thread in the xda forum about diamond boot situation: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
19:45.29cr2ok
19:45.36cr2hmm.
19:45.46cr2A should have working usb ?
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19:46.49dcordes_cr2,  good point. I didn't read about anybody having it tested
19:47.28cr2so dead LCD is not that important anymore
19:47.44cr2and can be debugged as a module
19:47.59dcordes_in case it is only an fb related problem and the halibut kernel boots, there should be some visible traffic on a host pc when connected, right?
19:48.26cr2you may login over ssh
19:48.37cr2and run dmesg
19:48.43dcordes_I will contact marbalon
19:48.54cr2afair usb can't be really used as a console
19:49.12cr2because it#s a big multilayer setup
19:49.35dcordes_did you see the link I posted with the usb serial debug?
19:49.47dcordes_the msms have some facility that emulates serial on the usb
19:49.50cr2spl output relay ?
19:50.20dcordes_yes the bootloader thing but you can access the modem I think
19:50.20cr2<PROTECTED>
19:50.55dcordes_but I only get the OESMBL USBx on my kaiser
19:51.15dcordes_where you can maintain and debug arm9
19:51.32cr2it has a lot of thumb code
19:52.08cr2it's more interesting to attach to the pistachio microkernel debugger
19:52.23cr2but i have no idea how to do it
19:53.53kiozenginge: lol, have to send this to my wife to cross check :)
19:54.07gingekiozen: :)
19:54.15gingegoes back to the comics
19:54.20dcordes_cr2,  maybe viperbjk does. did you see the updates to his msm debug tool?
19:54.41cr2kiozen: do you have a plan how to proceed further ?
19:54.54cr2dcordes: no
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19:55.11kiozencr2: don't know if you want to hear it :)
19:55.35cr2java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 500
19:55.50cr2kiozen: we have freedom of speech :)
19:56.30kiozenwell, errr..... it would be nice to have that new kernel, a battery monitor and resume :))))
19:56.46cr2i#m certainly interesting in having a "working platform"
19:56.54dcordes_cr2, ok I suggested marbalon to try out the halibut usb on diamond.
19:57.15cr2kiozen: too much goals at once. let#s set smaller steps and priorities
19:57.34kiozencr2: ok let's pick one out of the three
19:57.47cr2dcordes_: i think some changes are needed in the halibut kernel
19:58.07cr2kiozen: barebones 2.6.26 kernel first ?
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19:58.33kiozencr2: barbones means?
19:59.41dcordes_ginge, booted again and have the mmc mounted. (the previous 12.1M test1 file is still present) want me to run additional tests?
20:00.00cr2just boot it and see the boot messages on the pxafb LCD. no extra device drivers (cpld et al.)
20:00.16cr2kiozen: is the htc-egpio merged into 2.6.26 already ?
20:01.42kiozencr2:  ??? don't know, BableO played with it
20:01.56cr2ok, need to ask BabelO
20:01.57gingedcordes_: yes please
20:04.12kiozencr2: anyway, I think it's time to prepare a rootfs distribution of M.
20:04.41kiozencr2: it's nothing for the normal user yet, but I hope it will find some interest
20:04.52cr2kiozen: where we can test it ?
20:05.19cr2kiozen: i don't have any working device.
20:05.29cr2hmm. athena+usb host
20:05.36kiozenyou mean the 2.6.26 kernel?
20:05.49cr2but i need to port the n560 bt and gps code.
20:05.53cr2no, the -hh
20:06.32kiozencr2: I simply thougt of packaging the current state of the kernel
20:06.58kiozencr2: It's usable, but not rock solid
20:07.23kiozencr2: and things like battery are missing
20:07.38kiozencr2: but for the geek user it's nice to try out
20:08.13cr2ok
20:08.30kiozencr2: I already passed a ready made SD card to a fellow geocacher
20:08.51kiozencr2: I will hear the test results in 4 weeks
20:10.01cr2ok.
20:10.05dcordes_cr2, egpio is in 26
20:10.22cr2but i#d like to do the similar test , so i need to fix the athena state.
20:10.46cr2dcordes_: ok, that's a critical thing.
20:10.47kiozencan't you use M on the uni?
20:11.02cr2kiozen: no builtin gps on the uni
20:11.10kiozencr2: bt?
20:11.17cr2but yes, i can do it with bt.
20:11.25kiozencr2: I use the loox just with bt
20:12.54kiozenit's just pretty stupid if the gps mouse is in your rucksack at the base station and your ppc with you on the lift up
20:13.09dcordes_cr2, we currently run the older (non mainline) egpio version on the kaiser and friends
20:13.44cr2i prefer to use 76cx with an external antenna
20:14.08cr2dcordes_: it may be easier
20:14.12kiozencr2: bah, M can do better ;)
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20:14.53marajinallo allo
20:15.04kiozenhehe, referenced GT on the gdal mailing list today, downloads are rocketing up
20:17.44cr2kiozen: lol.
20:18.20cr2kiozen: with an ozf2/map to geotiff converter it'll be an ozi killer :)
20:18.59kiozencr2: that's what I fear, eads has wiped out all sources for documenting their format the last weeks
20:20.05cr2you stick to geotiff and gcp referencer. so it#s not your business
20:20.46cr2imho, you'd not mix the ozi .map and ozi .ozf2
20:21.13cr2implementing .map parser for gcps is not a problem.
20:21.58kiozenyes I stick to gtiff, too much work in GT to loose it
20:22.01cr2but .ozf2 to tiff should stay a separate program, although it's very easy to do as you know
20:22.20kiozenthink that is in good hand now :)
20:23.49dcordes__ginge, shall I try the 100 megs write again?
20:24.05kiozenhttp://prdownloads.sf.net/pymag.
20:24.23gingedcordes_: if you want :) You are master of your own destiny
20:24.29dcordes__ginge, btw I tried on a 1gb non sdhc card.
20:24.42gingeI would try 20 40 60 80 100 et
20:24.43gingec
20:24.59cr2kiozen: no, afaik it's a python wrapupt for gdal_*
20:25.18dcordes__you said the size it wrote until it crashed looked new to you, maybe it's because I use the non sdhc..
20:25.21kiozenit's a osm to magellan converter
20:25.34gingedcordes_: I use 1GB non sdhc too
20:25.38dcordes__ok
20:25.49kiozenusing gdal to create topo maps
20:28.17cr2ok, i may be a bit confused about it.
20:28.29cr2kiozen: btw, what's about qtopia4.4 ?
20:28.53kiozenafaik still no official release
20:29.16cr2ok
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20:35.56cr2kiozen: 76cx with an external antenna on the roof produces very nice tracks.
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20:38.05kiozencr2: http://www.preissuchmaschine.de/in-Navigationssystem/GPS-Empfaenger/Transystem-i-Blue-747.html
20:38.13kiozencr2: this one, too
20:38.41kiozencr2: mtk chip set has quite a nice performance cpmpared to the sitfIII
20:39.10cr2kiozen: does it have a binary protocol ?
20:39.21cr2for raw data
20:40.14dcordesginge, wrote 20M fine
20:40.56kiozendon't know, but it can cought out some additional data via nmea
20:41.18gingedcordes: nice. go for 40
20:42.43marajinhey ginge
20:42.56gingeMarajin: back at ya
20:43.01marajinhow goes?
20:43.07gingecool. you?
20:43.37dcordeshi again marajin
20:44.00dcordesginge, tried the same with 40 to a different file and it died at 4,1M
20:44.14gingehmm
20:44.17dcordeswell the du -h says the file it wrote is 4,1M rather
20:46.40dcordesginge, so it never failed that early for you?
20:46.46gingeno
20:46.56marajinginge: Well they've decided today to rip all the pavements in my street up
20:47.23gingeMarajin: oh nice. They are doing the same at the end of out street
20:47.28marajinyeah
20:47.32marajindid you get a letter?
20:47.36gingeno
20:47.41dcordesginge,  that is strange because I cleanly applied your patch ( I did a git-reset --hard in the msm-*25 branch) and we both use 1gb nonsdhc
20:48.02gingedcordes: very strange. I cant explain it.
20:48.06marajinginge: Oh I did... this morning
20:48.32gingeMarajin: efficient. Iw ould expect the letter 3 weeks after the workers packed up and left
20:54.11dcordesginge, I also use ext2
20:54.19dcordesso that can't be it either
20:54.23gingetry vfat
20:54.30dcordesok
20:54.42dcordesmust recompile
20:56.25dcordessame old removed-OE-temp-and-toolchain situation
20:59.58marajinginge: they did technically start my street yesterday..
21:00.25marajingive 'em their due though, they've agreed to lower the pavement in front of the driveway just for asking
21:00.31marajin(normally that'd cost 600 quid)
21:01.33gingeMarajin: nice one
21:01.49gingeask them to tarmac your drive too ;)
21:02.03marajinnah I have limestone chips for a driveway
21:02.09marajinand the sucker's like 2 feet deep too
21:02.11marajingood drainage ;)
21:02.25marajinbut they are going to tarmac all the area up to the edge of the drive
21:03.21gingelast time anyone tarmac'd the road, I forgot to move the car and it had shit all over it. The whole road was nice and clean apart from where my car was :)
21:03.59marajinsomeone in our street was on holiday
21:04.04marajinthe letter for that came same day too see
21:04.12marajinso they just tarmac'd around their car
21:04.25marajinso there's just a random segment of the street that's old
21:04.40marajinbut they're actually just doing the pavements this time around
21:04.46gingemust happen loads
21:07.05marajinI guess so
21:07.20marajinstill, doing the pavement properly around my drive for the price of a cup of tea each..
21:07.23marajincan't complain
21:07.34marajinhell, they only had 2 sugars between the 3 of them even
21:07.45gingewhat? scandal!
21:07.59marajinI called them cheap dates
21:08.06gingethere is supposed to be more sugar than water
21:08.58marajinthey've even packed some hardcore in the hole so the car can get in and out till they come along and tarmac it in
21:09.10gingenice
21:09.17marajinpart of me was going "...these aren't council workers, can't be!@
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