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| 02:59.24 | tmzt_ | hey |
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| 03:09.24 | tmzt_ | ALo: I'm not sure if I explained it well before, but I don't use a debian image at all. You are using Titchy on universal? |
| 03:10.16 | ALo | nop |
| 03:10.22 | ALo | im using debian |
| 03:10.34 | ALo | lenny i mean |
| 03:10.48 | tmzt_ | how did you install it? |
| 03:11.18 | ALo | http://sumoudou.org/index.php?cmd=%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9AInstalling%20Debian%20GNU/Linux%20on%20the%20Universal |
| 03:12.05 | ALo | very nice tuto |
| 03:12.28 | ALo | usb run wifi mid/run |
| 03:13.04 | ALo | and get a backup of all you uni stuff before try :) |
| 03:13.23 | ALo | becose the flys |
| 03:13.24 | ALo | xd |
| 03:14.28 | ALo | tmzt_: im using that by the img method |
| 03:15.19 | tmzt_ | well, you could use that image on mp900c, even the haret.exe, but you should not need the htcunid or any of the other stuff |
| 03:16.09 | ALoGeNo | htcuniid what is? |
| 03:16.18 | ALoGeNo | what do that? |
| 03:16.41 | ALoGeNo | you say that i can use this image in the 900c??? |
| 03:16.46 | ALoGeNo | wtf?? |
| 03:16.52 | tmzt_ | from the site you pasted |
| 03:17.11 | ALoGeNo | is the same machine?? i know that is the same processor but.. that is awesome? |
| 03:17.20 | tmzt_ | the .tar.gz should be just a basic debian root, but there is some other stuff in there |
| 03:17.30 | tmzt_ | you need the zImage and modules.tar.gz from jlime |
| 03:18.05 | ALoGeNo | aha.. but this is a cooked image i will test later with the diskete image for arm.. |
| 03:18.37 | ALoGeNo | but im trying first with de jlime before try debian |
| 03:19.22 | ALoGeNo | oh.. that is the matter.. i see.. that is that i dont know after.. |
| 03:19.31 | ALoGeNo | thanks |
| 03:19.51 | ALoGeNo | 05:17 <tmzt_> the .tar.gz should be just a basic debian root, but there is some other stuff in there <--- that is the matter.. |
| 03:20.09 | ALoGeNo | and that 05:17 <tmzt_> you need the zImage and modules.tar.gz from jlime |
| 03:20.41 | ALoGeNo | now i see all a little more clear.. |
| 03:20.42 | tmzt_ | you need the right mtype in default.txt too |
| 03:20.54 | ALoGeNo | okey |
| 03:21.21 | tmzt_ | when I installed debian, I just started with jlime on a smaller partition |
| 03:22.38 | ALoGeNo | aha.. |
| 03:25.06 | ALoGeNo | i was think to do that, get the tarball image for diskette installation of debian.., and later boot with the zimage of jlime, but that will be only one experiment.. by my self |
| 03:25.23 | ALoGeNo | but i see that without the modules isnt work.. |
| 03:28.24 | tmzt_ | you mean an debian-installer image for arm? |
| 03:29.03 | ALoGeNo | yes |
| 03:29.08 | ALoGeNo | that can be do? |
| 03:30.00 | tmzt_ | I guess, but I think the debootstrap method is a lot simpler |
| 03:30.27 | tmzt_ | debian-installer uses debootstrap/cdebootstrap internally |
| 03:31.33 | ALoGeNo | fuck im in troubles with bootstrap i need learn more :/ |
| 03:32.41 | ALoGeNo | you are helping to me a lot if not ill be lost ;) |
| 03:33.59 | tmzt_ | create three partitions on the cf card |
| 03:34.02 | ALoGeNo | i dont know that i say some times xD |
| 03:34.31 | ALoGeNo | aha.. |
| 03:36.47 | ALoGeNo | fucking kernel panic im bored of jlime image :( |
| 03:37.08 | ALoGeNo | when insert the wifi card only works one time.., later nothing never.. |
| 03:38.29 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_: you have icewm runnig in debian now? |
| 03:41.56 | tmzt_ | not using icemm right now, it runs but doesn't look as good as it does in jlime |
| 03:43.02 | tmzt_ | do you have a card reader for the cf card? |
| 03:50.52 | ALoGeNo | yep |
| 03:50.54 | ALoGeNo | why? |
| 03:51.14 | ALoGeNo | that is the rootfs? http://people.debian.org/~kmuto/d-i/images/daily/ixp4xx/netboot/di-nslu2.bin |
| 03:52.11 | tmzt_ | that's for nslu2 |
| 03:52.33 | ALoGeNo | im lost.. |
| 03:52.36 | ALoGeNo | :( |
| 03:57.57 | ALoGeNo | i need a joint xD |
| 04:08.51 | tmzt_ | you have jlime installed? |
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| 07:56.37 | ALoGeNo | morning |
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| 08:08.43 | tmzt_ | ALoGeNo: what kind of network card do you have for mp900c? |
| 08:09.32 | ALoGeNo | lol |
| 08:09.41 | ALoGeNo | sup tmzt_ :))) |
| 08:09.57 | ALoGeNo | senao sl2511cd |
| 08:10.26 | tmzt_ | is it supported in jlime (is the ethernet or wireless)? |
| 08:10.38 | ALoGeNo | wireless and yes is suported |
| 08:10.47 | tmzt_ | what driver? |
| 08:11.08 | ALoGeNo | hostap_cs and hostap |
| 08:11.20 | tmzt_ | good, that should work well in debian |
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| 08:12.30 | ALoGeNo | hey i do the CF with de debian atrball os from here http://sumoudou.org/uni/rootfs_20080427.tgz |
| 08:12.54 | ALoGeNo | but the 900c stops when mount the device or something |
| 08:13.00 | tmzt_ | I would really use debootstrap directly on the filesystem |
| 08:13.04 | tmzt_ | oh |
| 08:13.17 | tmzt_ | what is the last message? |
| 08:13.25 | ALoGeNo | but if i quit the CF the 900 is alive.. |
| 08:13.33 | tmzt_ | is you wireless card pcmcia or cf |
| 08:13.47 | ALoGeNo | pcmcia |
| 08:14.13 | ALoGeNo | but im using kernel of jnlime.. |
| 08:14.17 | ALoGeNo | not form debian |
| 08:14.18 | tmzt_ | do you get the Vcc messages when you insert/remove the card |
| 08:14.18 | dcordes | hey tmzt_ ALoGeNo |
| 08:14.28 | ALoGeNo | hi dcordes |
| 08:14.38 | ALoGeNo | yep i see that.. |
| 08:14.49 | tmzt_ | hey, I have tried m3 fso but it doesn't do anything without modem |
| 08:15.10 | tmzt_ | when you enter it and it locks up, do you get the same message |
| 08:15.37 | ALoGeNo | hum what do you mean? |
| 08:16.04 | tmzt_ | usually when a cf/pcmcia locks up the mp900c, the Vcc message is not printer |
| 08:16.08 | tmzt_ | printed |
| 08:16.33 | tmzt_ | do you have linux desktop? |
| 08:16.42 | ALoGeNo | yes |
| 08:16.53 | ALoGeNo | i saw the messages,, |
| 08:17.03 | ALoGeNo | and yes i have it |
| 08:17.34 | dcordes | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/12/scicern312.xml |
| 08:17.36 | tmzt_ | it locks up when you first boot jlime? |
| 08:18.16 | ALoGeNo | well.., sorry im rolling a petard.., now.. |
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| 08:18.33 | ALoGeNo | well i boot jlime and without troubles.. |
| 08:18.46 | ALoGeNo | but wen that must loads and mount swap |
| 08:18.54 | ALoGeNo | that only stop the proces.. |
| 08:19.04 | tmzt_ | is universal stuff in that image? |
| 08:19.05 | ALoGeNo | isnt hang.., only stoped.. |
| 08:19.12 | ALoGeNo | yep |
| 08:19.22 | ALoGeNo | that is the debian tarball from uni |
| 08:19.41 | tmzt_ | ok, that is on a seperate cf from jlime? |
| 08:19.41 | ALoGeNo | with the kernel of jlime |
| 08:19.51 | ALoGeNo | no |
| 08:19.54 | ALoGeNo | is the same.. |
| 08:20.02 | tmzt_ | different partitions? |
| 08:20.12 | ALoGeNo | well i have the jlime kernel and haret in vfat partition 8M.. |
| 08:20.19 | ALoGeNo | and debian in ext2 partition |
| 08:20.23 | ALoGeNo | yes |
| 08:20.38 | ALoGeNo | but kernel detect all ok |
| 08:20.38 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 08:20.38 | tmzt_ | and where is your jlime installation? |
| 08:20.57 | ALoGeNo | they show me hda1 and hda2 |
| 08:21.06 | ALoGeNo | isnt.. |
| 08:21.12 | tmzt_ | fdisk -l /dev/hda shows two partitions? |
| 08:21.34 | ALoGeNo | yes but jlime partition is gone becose i format ext2 to put debian |
| 08:21.34 | ALoGeNo | :P |
| 08:22.01 | tmzt_ | you need a partition for jlime and one for debian, so you can mount one from the other |
| 08:22.11 | ALoGeNo | i read after you tellme that i need 3 partitions |
| 08:22.32 | ALoGeNo | but why? |
| 08:22.57 | tmzt_ | you need to make changes to that debian to make it not start some programs |
| 08:23.34 | ALoGeNo | okay i can do that mounting the card in linux deskyop right? |
| 08:23.48 | ALoGeNo | desktop* |
| 08:23.59 | tmzt_ | but you can't chroot from linux desktop, without complicated qemu-arm stuff that never works |
| 08:24.16 | ALoGeNo | oh fuck i see |
| 08:24.30 | ALoGeNo | now i take it.. |
| 08:24.52 | ALoGeNo | damm that is a little enrevesed |
| 08:24.53 | ALoGeNo | xD |
| 08:25.11 | tmzt_ | I have 4gb microdrive with three partitions, this works so I can have full debian and apt-get, but if I want to replace it I boot jlime as a rescue system |
| 08:25.39 | ALoGeNo | what you are a genius hehe.. |
| 08:25.40 | tmzt_ | armel won't work with jlime kernel unless you compile though, just remembered that |
| 08:25.59 | ALoGeNo | how much space for wich partition? |
| 08:26.20 | ALoGeNo | okey amel bad.. arm good :) |
| 08:26.24 | ALoGeNo | armel* |
| 08:26.38 | tmzt_ | 8M fine for fat, as much as possible for debian, size of the jlime .tar.gz plus a little for jlime |
| 08:26.45 | tmzt_ | uncompressed |
| 08:27.27 | ALoGeNo | oh i see.. |
| 08:28.30 | ALoGeNo | i can do the fat more bigger? |
| 08:28.38 | ALoGeNo | or if i do that dont work? |
| 08:29.02 | tmzt_ | yes, if you want, I have putty, a driver for the hostap card, and some other stuff on mine, along with test kernels/harets |
| 08:29.41 | ALoGeNo | hehe nice nice :) |
| 08:30.01 | tmzt_ | linux causes the wince to hard reset, so if it's not on the cf card it gets lost |
| 08:31.06 | ALoGeNo | yeah i know of the hard reset but waht you mean with cf card get lost? |
| 08:31.37 | tmzt_ | stuff that is not saved on the cf card gets lost, like drivers for the wifi card |
| 08:31.50 | tmzt_ | the stuff on the cf card is fine |
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| 08:32.41 | ALoGeNo | fucking wifi.. |
| 08:32.43 | ALoGeNo | 10:30 <tmzt_> linux causes the wince to hard reset, so if it's not on the cf card it gets lost |
| 08:32.45 | ALoGeNo | 10:31 : ALoGeNo ¦ yeah i know of the hard reset but waht you mean with cf card get lost? |
| 08:32.47 | ALoGeNo | 10:31 * Disconnected |
| 08:33.04 | tmzt_ | stuff that is not saved on the cf card gets lost, like drivers for the wifi card |
| 08:33.07 | tmzt_ | the stuff on the cf card is fine |
| 08:33.34 | ALoGeNo | oh... but where are they?? |
| 08:33.39 | ALoGeNo | in ram? in rom?? |
| 08:34.33 | tmzt_ | ce4.2 runs from ram, which gets erased. what I am saying is I keep the driver package on the card so that I can reinstall it when I need to |
| 08:34.35 | ALoGeNo | i have the same CF 4GB that you, can you tell me the exact space in that one partitions? |
| 08:34.58 | ALoGeNo | ooh... |
| 08:35.21 | tmzt_ | cylinders: 1-32 fat32 (b) |
| 08:35.33 | ALoGeNo | kk |
| 08:35.37 | tmzt_ | 33-611 linux (83) debian |
| 08:35.53 | tmzt_ | 612-992 linux (83) jlime |
| 08:36.30 | tmzt_ | hda3 1.5G 1.2G used |
| 08:36.43 | ALoGeNo | tnx a lot :) |
| 08:36.57 | ALoGeNo | first debian partition? |
| 08:37.14 | ALoGeNo | okey |
| 08:37.22 | tmzt_ | icewm-image-Henchman-02-12-08.tar.bz2 |
| 08:37.33 | tmzt_ | first is vfat |
| 08:38.43 | ALoGeNo | yes let me do a backup of the actual data of the card please :) |
| 08:38.56 | ALoGeNo | you are saving my ass man :) |
| 08:39.07 | ALoGeNo | thanks a lot :) |
| 08:40.32 | tmzt_ | that icewm file is only 50mb, so the partition does not need to be that big |
| 08:41.45 | ALoGeNo | but i dont need extract the tar? |
| 08:42.10 | ALoGeNo | or what? |
| 08:42.49 | tmzt_ | yes, you need to extract the latest jlime tar |
| 08:43.04 | ALoGeNo | that one icewm-image-Henchman-02-12-08.tar.bz2 |
| 08:43.25 | ALoGeNo | and that extracted are only 50MB? |
| 08:43.59 | ALoGeNo | well i follow your steps :) |
| 08:44.31 | tmzt_ | I think the lastest is 04-14-08 |
| 08:44.40 | ALoGeNo | wow that sandisk ultra II is very faster |
| 08:44.51 | ALoGeNo | and where is? |
| 08:45.04 | ALoGeNo | letme see.. |
| 08:45.29 | ALoGeNo | icewm-image-Henchman-04.14.08.tar.bz2 |
| 08:45.48 | tmzt_ | theres a newer one on devfiles.jlime.com/userland/*Mongo I think is for pxa-based device |
| 08:45.49 | ALoGeNo | i have it |
| 08:45.51 | tmzt_ | doesn't matter, just make sure the zImage and /lib/modules/* match |
| 08:46.14 | ALoGeNo | okey :) |
| 08:46.16 | tmzt_ | Henchman Userland? |
| 08:46.30 | ALoGeNo | what. |
| 08:46.38 | ALoGeNo | i see that folder in the site.. why? |
| 08:46.59 | tmzt_ | Henchman Userland - 2008-04-14 - icewm-henchman-mp900c |
| 08:47.05 | tmzt_ | under jlime.com Downloads |
| 08:47.07 | ALoGeNo | that tarball is from henchman |
| 08:47.10 | ALoGeNo | yeah |
| 08:47.16 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 08:47.35 | ALoGeNo | but im lost with modules and kernel |
| 08:47.44 | ALoGeNo | kernel is okey 2.6.24mp900c |
| 08:47.50 | ALoGeNo | but the modules?? |
| 08:47.52 | tmzt_ | Bootloader configuration for MobilePro 900(C) - startup.txt |
| 08:48.07 | ALoGeNo | the 7xx is the same machine exactly than 900c? |
| 08:48.17 | ALoGeNo | yep i have it |
| 08:48.32 | ALoGeNo | startup.txt i have it |
| 08:48.48 | tmzt_ | Modules - right above Kernel - |
| 08:48.58 | tmzt_ | no, 7xx is not the same for zImage |
| 08:48.59 | ALoGeNo | but i cant find modules.. |
| 08:49.04 | ALoGeNo | letme see again.. |
| 08:49.16 | tmzt_ | mp900c-2.6.24-stable |
| 08:49.51 | tmzt_ | those modules should be in the icewm image already, based on the dates |
| 08:51.47 | ALoGeNo | oh ok.. |
| 08:51.49 | ALoGeNo | :D |
| 08:51.58 | ALoGeNo | im only found that http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/mongo/kernels/2.6.19-fusefs+extra-modules.tar.bz2 |
| 08:52.11 | tmzt_ | dcordes: where is haret again? |
| 08:52.34 | tmzt_ | that is for another machine |
| 08:52.36 | ALoGeNo | http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/henchman/haret-1.4.8.exe |
| 08:52.45 | ALoGeNo | that is for 900c |
| 08:53.17 | tmzt_ | yeah, but you can use new harets from ~koconnor too, but that will work |
| 08:53.52 | ALoGeNo | okey this one is working forme right now |
| 08:54.02 | tmzt_ | just go to jlime.com, go to Downloads, Mobile 900(c) |
| 08:54.08 | ALoGeNo | i go make the partitions |
| 08:54.22 | ALoGeNo | yep i did |
| 08:54.24 | tmzt_ | do you have the zImage? |
| 08:54.35 | ALoGeNo | http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/henchman/zImage-2.6.24mp900c |
| 08:54.37 | ALoGeNo | that one |
| 08:54.41 | tmzt_ | ok |
| 08:54.48 | tmzt_ | startup.txt? |
| 08:54.55 | ALoGeNo | letme do the partitions :) |
| 08:54.58 | ALoGeNo | yep |
| 08:55.01 | ALoGeNo | fdisk r00lz :) |
| 08:55.17 | tmzt_ | linux fdisk yes, dos/windows no! |
| 08:55.50 | ALoGeNo | linux of course :) |
| 08:55.50 | dcordes | http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/ |
| 08:56.00 | ALoGeNo | in windows partition magic ftw :) |
| 08:56.15 | tmzt_ | yeah, I remembered, thought it was ltg first though |
| 08:56.52 | tmzt_ | linux fdisk only changes the partition table, windows will erase part of the partition when you erase/create |
| 08:56.58 | ALoGeNo | hey tmzt_ tnx a lot for your hel man.. |
| 08:57.00 | tmzt_ | don't know about pm |
| 08:57.08 | ALoGeNo | help* |
| 08:57.27 | ALoGeNo | okey.. |
| 08:57.54 | ALoGeNo | im using fdisk linux becos i have troubles with cfdisk with acents.. |
| 08:57.59 | ALoGeNo | is a crap |
| 09:03.39 | ALoGeNo | ok, i go to mount and extract the tarball :) |
| 09:04.40 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_: jlime in the partition 3 no? |
| 09:04.45 | tmzt_ | yes |
| 09:04.52 | ALoGeNo | okee |
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| 09:15.28 | ALoGeNo | sorry wifi again :/ |
| 09:15.32 | ALoGeNo | i have the anttena broken :/ |
| 09:16.00 | tmzt_ | did that extract, is /lib/modules/2.6.24mp900c there? |
| 09:16.32 | tmzt_ | put haret.exe startup.txt zImage on partition 1 |
| 09:16.59 | ALoGeNo | wait my laptop with debian has a celeron 500mhz |
| 09:16.59 | ALoGeNo | xD |
| 09:17.09 | ALoGeNo | im restarting :) |
| 09:18.05 | ALoGeNo | hey tmzt_ you are the man machine no? |
| 09:18.06 | ALoGeNo | hehe |
| 09:18.07 | ALoGeNo | xd |
| 09:19.19 | ALoGeNo | you are very kind to help me |
| 09:33.45 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_: |
| 09:33.50 | ALoGeNo | the modules are 2.6.24-jlime |
| 09:34.18 | ALoGeNo | that is okey? |
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| 09:39.22 | ALoGeNo | :/ |
| 09:39.24 | ALoGeNo | 11:33 : ALoGeNo ¦ tmzt_: |
| 09:39.26 | ALoGeNo | 11:33 : ALoGeNo ¦ the modules are 2.6.24-jlime |
| 09:39.28 | ALoGeNo | 11:34 : ALoGeNo ¦ that is okey? |
| 09:39.34 | ALoGeNo | 11:36 * Disconnected |
| 09:44.47 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_: are you there? |
| 09:45.42 | ALoGeNo | when it beggins to be interestant hehe.. come on.. :) |
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| 09:56.29 | ALoGeNo | here we go again.. |
| 09:57.11 | tmzt_ | you need the right modules |
| 09:57.37 | ALoGeNo | fuck, by that dont workit okey.. |
| 09:58.01 | ALoGeNo | and where is the modules? |
| 09:58.18 | ALoGeNo | in git? |
| 09:59.32 | ALoGeNo | ok i got it |
| 09:59.45 | ALoGeNo | http://devfiles.jlime.com/Kernels/stable/mp900c-modules-2.6.24-stable.tar.gz |
| 09:59.46 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 10:01.47 | ALoGeNo | hey tmzt_ |
| 10:01.58 | ALoGeNo | the file is corrupt and cant download |
| 10:02.09 | ALoGeNo | wget fault and firefox the samer |
| 10:02.12 | ALoGeNo | same* |
| 10:02.39 | ALoGeNo | you can upload in some place for me please? |
| 10:04.21 | ALoGeNo | okey.. |
| 10:04.42 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_: the path is wrong in the treath in forum.. |
| 10:04.44 | ALoGeNo | http://devfiles.jlime.com/kernel/archive-stable/2.6.24-stable/ |
| 10:04.49 | ALoGeNo | that is the right |
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| 10:12.58 | ALoGeNo | i have all ready, haret in fat with default.txt and kernel stable , and in ext2 partiton 3 jlime with the correct modules.. |
| 10:13.27 | ALoGeNo | but they create the same folder, /lib/modules/2.6.24-jlime :) |
| 10:14.15 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_: i must change the /dev/hda2 by /dev/hda3 in default.txt ? |
| 10:18.51 | ALoGeNo | im here? |
| 10:18.55 | ALoGeNo | hello? |
| 10:20.04 | ALoGeNo | morning |
| 10:23.26 | ALoGeNo | tmzt_: i need you man :) |
| 10:23.55 | ALoGeNo | you are the best trainer ;) |
| 10:24.27 | ALoGeNo | coach* |
| 10:24.28 | ALoGeNo | XD |
| 10:30.16 | ALoGeNo | well if you want the class is okey for today :) |
| 10:30.54 | ALoGeNo | i learn many things in this class :) |
| 10:31.15 | ALoGeNo | i was learn * :PP |
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| 11:14.54 | ALoGeNo | the wifi is killing me.. |
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| 11:58.55 | BabelO | hi |
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| 16:06.43 | dcordes | Espenfjo, hey there. any progress with the diamond from any side? |
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| 16:53.10 | marajin_ | allo allo allo |
| 16:53.22 | marajin_ | ltxda: hey, how're things going ? |
| 16:54.49 | dcordes | hi marajin_ |
| 16:58.01 | marajin_ | hey dcordes |
| 16:58.35 | SanMehat | morning |
| 16:58.59 | marajin_ | hey SanMehat |
| 16:59.03 | marajin_ | what's shaking in groove town? |
| 17:00.03 | SanMehat | just waking up |
| 17:00.06 | SanMehat | finally over my flu |
| 17:00.51 | marajin_ | good old flu |
| 17:00.52 | marajin_ | gotta love it |
| 17:00.55 | marajin_ | I suppose.. |
| 17:02.04 | Marajin | notes this concludes the first week of 12 of munching pills... |
| 17:06.53 | dcordes | SanMehat, hi |
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| 17:38.04 | kiozen | BabelO: you tried the live log with the eee? |
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| 18:09.22 | BabelO | kiozen: no, but something else, not with qlandkarte :) |
| 18:09.29 | BabelO | kiozen: i will try |
| 18:09.47 | BabelO | kiozen: was playing with powertop and other lesswatts.org stuff |
| 18:09.58 | BabelO | kiozen: knotify4 is buggy |
| 18:10.09 | BabelO | kiozen: i win around 4W only killing it |
| 18:10.42 | kiozen | sounds interesting |
| 18:12.14 | BabelO | kiozen: not only knotify but some other tweak too :) |
| 18:12.56 | kiozen | what's knotify good for? |
| 18:13.55 | BabelO | kiozen: don't know, i simply kill it and computer seems to work fine |
| 18:14.15 | kiozen | kde get more and more like win32 |
| 18:14.17 | BabelO | kiozen: other strange daemon is blogd on opensuse, it use some power too with interrupt |
| 18:14.47 | BabelO | kiozen: there is a patch about knotify / artsd , but need to recompile it |
| 18:15.45 | dcordes | kiozen, what, you don't want to rotate/scale desktop icons? :) |
| 18:16.07 | kiozen | there are no icons on my desktop ;) |
| 18:17.38 | dcordes | I tried kde4 on my ubuntu last week and was amazed by the amount of eyecandy they created |
| 18:18.35 | dcordes | ..and how buggy/unmaintained it is in the ubuntu repositories |
| 18:18.59 | BabelO | unbuntu is ... beurk |
| 18:19.50 | kiozen | lol, 100% agreed |
| 18:20.03 | BabelO | i dislike also commentcamarche.com website... what ever you are looking for google return this website at first position... and you found always another questions, but never an answer |
| 18:20.15 | BabelO | i have to ask google to remove it from search :) |
| 18:20.54 | dcordes | hm I tried debian on a different machine and was quite happy with it |
| 18:21.17 | dcordes | you both use open suse, no? |
| 18:22.25 | BabelO | dcordes: me yes, and i don't want to change |
| 18:22.46 | BabelO | i have tried in the past redhat, fedora, mandrake, slackware |
| 18:23.00 | BabelO | slackware is good, but not enough user oriented :) |
| 18:23.37 | dcordes | whole QT seems buggy in ubuntu. when I move a window over konqueror it redraws slowly |
| 18:23.49 | dcordes | BabelO, ever tried debian? |
| 18:24.04 | kiozen | I evaluate all those distros once a year, the winner is suse since years |
| 18:24.22 | BabelO | yes tried it too, but to much thing specific to compile a package, most of time README contain a line for debian user .... |
| 18:24.54 | dcordes | only thing that stops me from trying suse is I can't make friends with rpm |
| 18:25.53 | BabelO | dcordes: rpm is in all distrib |
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| 19:44.23 | BabelO | hhm |
| 19:44.27 | BabelO | kiozen: dcordes |
| 19:44.32 | BabelO | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43 |
| 19:44.49 | BabelO | some funny stuff on internet :) |
| 19:47.21 | dcordes | lol nice, I like the comment 'what are u smoking?' |
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| 19:50.15 | BabelO | dcordes: poor guy |
| 19:53.25 | BabelO | dcordes: there is a better french paper on unbuntu, with a journalist that use it day after day as a newbie ;Ã |
| 19:54.42 | dcordes | got a link? |
| 20:02.11 | BabelO | dcordes: very long , ten days of use, all in french http://www.ecrans.fr/Linux-Le-journal-d-un-novice-1,4667.html |
| 20:02.28 | BabelO | but easy franch :) |
| 20:02.37 | BabelO | s/franch/french/ |
| 20:02.51 | BabelO | apt: you are a king ! |
| 20:02.52 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, BabelO |
| 20:04.39 | BabelO | apt: Microsoft Windows is only an OS for dummy user. |
| 20:04.39 | apt | BabelO: okay |
| 20:04.54 | BabelO | apt: what is Microsoft Windows ? |
| 20:04.54 | apt | hmm... microsoft windows is only an OS for dummy user. |
| 20:05.00 | BabelO | lol ok :) |
| 20:10.21 | Marajin | BabelO: No No No, that's Mac OSX ;) |
| 20:10.30 | Marajin | OSX is for dummies, Windows is for masochists |
| 20:12.02 | BabelO | Marajin: lol |
| 20:12.28 | BabelO | Marajin: right, the mouse with only one button :) |
| 20:12.49 | Marajin | BabelO: Mac OS X has far more annoying features than it's one-button oriented us |
| 20:12.49 | BabelO | easy to understand |
| 20:13.17 | Marajin | like the fact that it doesn't actually let you configure anything at all |
| 20:13.31 | Marajin | because clearly you don't know how |
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